Angi Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 20, 2021

There are 19 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for accessing Union Pacific Corporation's 2021 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call held at 8:45 am Eastern Time on October 21, 2021, in Omaha, Nebraska. This presentation and the company materials include statements that contain estimates, projections or expectations regarding the company's financial results and Operations and future economic conditions. These statements are forward looking statements as defined by the federal securities laws. Reporting forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual performance or results to differ materially from those expressed in the statements. The materials accompanying this presentation include more detailed information regarding forward looking information and these risks and uncertainties.

Operator

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Speaker 1

And answer session will follow the formal presentation. As As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and the slides for today's presentation are available on Union Pacific's website. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Lance Fritz, Chairman, President and CEO for Union Pacific. Mr.

Speaker 1

Fritsch, you may begin.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everybody. Welcome to Union Pacific's 3rd quarter earnings conference Call. With me today in Omaha are Kenny Rucker, Executive Vice President of Marketing and Sales Eric Gehringer, Executive Vice President of Operations and Jennifer Hayman, our Chief Financial Officer. During the quarter, the Union Pacific team dealt with multiple network disruptions that required us to rebuild bridges, reroute trains and connect more closely with other links in the supply chain to support and to serve our customers. While we still have work ahead, our employees' presentation is a critical success factor in navigating all of those challenges.

Speaker 2

Turning to our 3rd quarter results. This morning, Union Pacific is reporting 2021 Q3 net income of $1,700,000,000 or $2.57 per share. Conference. This compares to $1,400,000,000 or $2.01 per share in the Q3 of 2020. Despite points versus last year and represents a 3rd quarter record.

Speaker 2

We also set 3rd quarter records in The comparison to 2019, a period with higher volumes, further highlights our performance and demonstrates our focus on driving productivity and network to overcome external factors. We also continue to make progress on our goal to reduce our carbon footprint. The team achieved strong productivity to produce an all time quarterly record low fuel consumption rate. This represented a 1% improvement versus 2020 and helped our customers eliminate 5,700,000 metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions in the quarter by using Union Pacific versus truck. Momentum is building, and before the end of the year, we plan to detail our emissions reduction plan with the release of of our initial climate action plan.

Speaker 2

So let's start the morning with Kenny for an update on the business environment. Thank you, Lance, and good morning. Before I talk about our market performance.

Speaker 3

I want to thank our operating team for their tireless efforts this past summer to recover the network from the devastating forest fires in in California. Focusing back on our review of the business, our 3rd quarter volume was flat compared to a year ago. Gains in our bulk and Industrial segments were driven by market strength in our business development efforts. Those gains were offset by declines in our premium business group as our 3rd markets continue to be impacted by semiconductor chip shortages and global supply chain disruptions. However, Let's take a closer look at each of these business groups.

Speaker 3

Starting out with our bulk commodities, revenue for quarter was up 14% compared to last year, driven by a 4% increase in volume and a 9% increase average revenue per car, reflecting strong core pricing gains and higher fuel surcharge revenue. Coal and renewable carloads grew 9% year over year and 17% from the 2nd quarter. Our efforts to switch customers to index based contracts are supporting domestic coal demand as a result of higher natural gas prices coupled with increased coal exports. Primarily to lower U. S.

Speaker 3

Grain stocks. However, this was partially offset by our business development efforts and strong demand for biofuels. Fertilizer carloads were up 10% year over year due to strong agricultural demand and increased export and finally, food and refrigerated volume was flat year over year and sequentially from the 2nd quarter. Moving on to industrial. Industrial revenue improved 22% for the quarter, driven by a 14% increase in volume.

Speaker 3

Energy and specialized shipments were up 16% compared to last year and up 5% versus the 2nd quarter. The gains were due to an increase in petroleum products as demand recovers from this time last year and new business wins from Mexico Energy Reform. Volume from forged products grew 15% year over year, primarily driven by demand for brown paper use in corrugated boxes along with strong housing starts conference call is driving lumber shipments. However, compared to the 2nd quarter, volume was down 2% due to the impact of the lava fire in Northern California. Industrial Chemicals and Plastics shipments were up 6% year over year due to strengthening demand and business plans as production rates for plastics improved from 2020.

Speaker 3

Metals and minerals volume was up 21% compared to 2020 and up 3% versus the 2nd quarter, primarily driven by our business development efforts along with Strong steel demand as industrial markets recover coupled with favorable comps for frac sand. Turning now to premium, revenue for the quarter was up 1% as the 9% decrease in volume was more than offset by higher average revenue per Automotive volume was down 18% compared to last year and down 4% versus the 2nd quarter. Semiconductor shortages had an adverse impact to both our finished vehicles and auto parts business segments. Intermodal volume decreased 6% year over year and 8% compared to the 2nd quarter. International volume continued to face challenges from global supply chain With regards to domestic, strong demand and new business wins were also hampered by supply chain disruptions.

Speaker 3

Plus e commerce business saw tough comps versus last year. Now looking ahead to the Q4 of 2021. Starting out with our bulk commodities, we're optimistic about grain business due to another strong harvest and grain export demand. Also grain products will continue to benefit from growth of the biofuel market. Food and refrigerated volumes should will be positive with increased consumer demand, post pandemic restaurant reopening and truck penetration growth.

Speaker 3

Lastly, we expect coal to remain strong for the remainder of the year based on our current natural gas futures, inventory replenishment as well as export demand. Looking at our industrial markets, we continue to be encouraged by the strength of the forecast for industrial production for the rest of 2021, which will positively impact many of our markets like metals and forests. The year over year comps for our energy markets are favorable. However, we expect narrow spreads will negatively impact crude by rail shipment. But on a positive note, We expect to mitigate the lower cruise shipments with strength in other petroleum and LPG products.

Speaker 3

And lastly, for premium, we anticipate continued challenges in automotive related to semiconductor shortages for the 4th quarter. In In regard to intermodal, limited truck capacity, inventory restocking and strength in retail sales will continue to has recently taken additional actions to speed up their container returns as challenges in labor, poor capacity, warehouses and drayage And on the domestic side, opportunities will face continued supply chain challenges with limited hallway capacity and floor chassis turn time. Overall, I'm encouraged by the opportunities in front of us for the rest of 2021. But more importantly, I want to of our business groups. And with that, I'll turn it over to Eric to review our operational performance.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Kenny, and good morning. I'd like to of 2019. The team demonstrated perseverance to restore our network and deliver strong financial results. In addition, as Kenny just described, The demand picture has turned down differently than we expected at the beginning of the year. Working closely with marketing, the operating team has adjusted transportation plans and added resources into the network for surging demand in coal, of metals, lumber and grains.

Speaker 4

These actions demonstrate the agility and strength of our franchise. Call. Taking a look at our key performance metrics for the quarter on Slide 9. Driven by wildfires and weather events during the quarter, our freight car velocity and trip compliance metrics deteriorated compared to 2020. Freight car velocity decreased due to increased terminal dwell and higher operating inventory levels, which led to lower trip plan compliance results.

Speaker 4

Our entire team has been fully engaged on restoring network fluidity and the recovery is progressing. We are seeing improvement in our metrics with reduced operating car inventory and improved freight car velocity. Our reported weekly metrics show the time required to recover the network from these events. While we made improvement from our freight car velocity weekly low of 184 in August to 210 miles per day in the last 2 weeks of September, our goal remains to return freight car velocity towards 220 miles per day. Our intermodal trip plan compliance results improved on August low of 61% to gain 12 points in September to 73%.

Speaker 4

Our manifest and auto trip plan compliance results improved from 57% in August to 61% in December. We recognize improving trip plan compliance is critical to support our customers and our long term growth strategy. We have maintained higher crew and locomotive resources in the short term to assist and reducing excess car inventories to drive increased fluidity. As operating car inventory declines, we will quickly adjust resources to current volume levels. Our cooperation and work with partners at the West Coast ports have reduced rail container dwell back to more normal levels.

Speaker 4

And with the Biden administration's efforts to expand operations at the port to ease congestion, we stand ready to move more rail containers provided that points further along the supply chain can handle increased volume. While there's still work to be done, the team is confident in our ability to restore service to the levels our customers expect and deserve. Turning to Slide 6. We continue to make good progress on our efficiency initiatives. Conference call.

Speaker 4

However, disruptions during the quarter impacted these results as well. Locomotive productivity declined was 8% compared to a year ago as we deployed additional resources to handle traffic reroutes. Our record 3rd quarter workforce productivity was driven by efficiencies in our engineering, mechanical and management workforces and offset slightly by increases in train and engine workforce to address our network recovery. We continued our focus on increasing Now that the bridge has been restored, the team is again driving productivity through increasing train length as evidenced in our September train link growth to over 9,500 feet. Turning to Slide 11.

Speaker 4

Our ability to grow train length is also enabled by the completion of 9 sightings to date in 2021 with an additional 26 under construction or in the final planning stages. These investments will enable a more reliable and efficient service product for future growth. We also produced a record quarterly fuel consumption rate, improving 1% compared to last year. Through productivity initiatives and technology improvements, we We were able to offset most of the inefficiencies stemming from the wildfires. The operating department understands the importance we play and achieving our long term greenhouse gas emission goals and have more work underway.

Speaker 4

Our approach is multipronged with the primary emphasis around our locomotive fleet, both looking at alternative energies as well as biofuels. As we drive productivity and manage the various results have not shown improvement in 2020, recent monthly trends provide positive momentum for the team to build upon. Practices. Additionally, we reduced cost of rail equipment incidents during the quarter. We are encouraged by the improvement, but know that we must maintain focus on promoting a safe working environment to reduce employee injuries so everyone goes home safe each day.

Speaker 4

Safe operations also have a direct impact on our service product, so this work will benefit all stakeholders. Wrapping up on Slide 12. As we look to close out 2021, I have the utmost confidence that we will continue to improve safety, increase network fluidity, improve our service product and drive productivity as we support business growth with our customers. With that, I will turn it over to Jennifer to review our financial performance.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Eric, and good morning. As you heard from Lance, Union Pacific achieved strong 3rd quarter financial results with earnings per share of $2.57 and an operating ratio of 56.3%. As noted in an 8 ks last month, we incurred additional expense this quarter related to wildfires and weather. The full impact of those events, including revenue negatively impacted our operating ratio of 50 basis points and earnings per share by 0 point 0 $5 Rising fuel prices throughout the quarter negatively impacted operating ratio by 140 basis points. However, the year over year impact of our fuel surcharge programs added $0.05 to EPS.

Speaker 5

Setting aside these exogenous issues, UP's core operational performance drove operating ratio improvement of 4 of $130 basis points and added $0.56 to EPS. Our performance demonstrates the resiliency and efficiency built into our franchise through PSR, even when operating in less than ideal conditions. Looking now at our 3rd quarter income statement on Slide 15, where we're showing a comparison to both Q3 2020 as well as Q3 2019. The comparison of 2021 to 2019 most clearly illustrates volume. For Q3 2021, operating revenue up 13% and operating expense only up 9%, We generated 3rd quarter record operating income of $2,400,000,000 net income of $1,700,000,000 and earnings per share also were 3rd quarter record.

Speaker 5

Looking more closely at 3rd quarter revenue, Slide 16 provides a breakdown of our freight revenue, both year over year and sequentially versus the second quarter. Freight revenue totaled $5,200,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, up 12% compared to 2020 and 1% compared to the 2nd quarter. Looking first at the year over year analysis, although volume was flat, the overall demand environment remains strong and supports pricing actions that yield dollars exceeding inflation. On a year over year basis, those gains were further supplemented by a positive business mix, driving 6.50 basis points in total improvement. Lower intermodal shipments combined with higher industrial shipments drove that positive mix.

Speaker 5

Fuel surcharges increased freight revenue 600 basis points compared to last year as our fuel surcharge programs continue to chase rising fuel prices. Looking at freight revenue sequentially, lower volume versus the 2nd quarter decreased freight revenue 2 50 basis points, highlighted by factors that Kenny highlighted. Continued core pricing gains and a more positive business mix increased freight revenue 100 and 75 basis points on a sequential basis, driven by that same combination of higher industrial carloads and lower intermodal shipments. Conference call. Finally, rising fuel prices and the resulting uptick in sequential fuel surcharges increased freight revenue 125 basis points.

Speaker 5

Now let's move on to Slide 17, which provides is a summary of our 3rd quarter operating expenses, which increased 9% in total versus 2020. The primary driver of the increase was fuel expense, up of 81% as a result of a 74% increase in fuel prices. A small offset to the higher prices was a 1% improvement in our fuel consumption rate. Conference call was down 1% compared to last year despite our train and engine workforce growing 3%. This increase reflects the Wage inflation, along with higher recrew and overtime costs associated with our network issues, increased cost per employee 4%.

Speaker 5

Was flat as higher locomotive and freight car maintenance associated with the larger active fleet was offset by reduced contractor expense.

Speaker 6

Conference call.

Speaker 5

And with automotive shipments forecasted to remain soft for at least the balance of the year, we now expect purchase services and material expense to will only be up low single digits for full year versus 2021. Equipment and other rents was flat, consistent with volume. Capital projects in 2021. As we look ahead to the 4th quarter, recall that last year, we incurred a onetime $278,000,000 noncash impairment charge in this expense category. Looking now at our efficiency results on Slide 18.

Speaker 5

Operating challenges during the quarter again impacted our productivity, which totaled call $45,000,000 In total for 2021, productivity is at $280,000,000 led by our train length improvements and locomotive productivity, conference call was offset by roughly $55,000,000 of weather and incident related headwinds. Our incremental margins in the quarter were a very strong 94%, driven by solid pricing gains, positive business mix as well as continued efficiency. PSR clearly gives us the platform to add volumes to our network in an extremely efficient manner. Turning to Slide 19, year to date cash from operations increased to $6,500,000,000 from of $6,000,000,000 in 2020, a 9% increase. Our cash flow conversion rate was a strong 95%, and year to date free cash flow increased $728,000,000 or 38 percent, driven by higher net income and lighter year to date capital spend compared to last year.

Speaker 5

Call. Supported by our strong cash generation and cash balances, we've returned $7,900,000,000 to shareholders year to date through dividends and share repurchases. Actions taken during the year include increasing our industry leading dividend by 10% in May and repurchasing 27,500,000 shares totaling $5,900,000,000 We finished the 3rd quarter with a comparable adjusted debt to EBITDA ratio of 2.8x, which is on par with 2nd quarter. We remain committed to returning great value to our owners and are demonstrating that again this year. Wrapping things up on Slide 20, As you heard from Kenny, the overall economic environment remains positive and provides confidence for the future growth of our company.

Speaker 5

Call. The bulk is driven by strong grain volumes and coal continues to exceed expectations. Industrial volumes remain consistent and strong across many sectors like forest Products, Metals and Plastics. So we are bullish on several fronts. But as you are also well aware, headwinds in autos and intermodal persist.

Speaker 5

Global supply chain disruptions, semiconductor shortages and the additional pressure with international intermodal volumes that Kenny just described continue to constrain our premium volumes. So balancing these variables and with just over 2 months left in the year, we now expect volume to be up closer to 5% for full year 2021. We are also progress we expect to make with our efficiency in 2021. To put that in context, however, at the end of this year, we will have generated almost of $1,800,000,000 of productivity since our implementation of PSR in late 2018. So great work overall by the team.

Speaker 5

And more importantly, this lower cost structure and improved service product provides Union Pacific the foundation for future growth and strong incremental margins. Lower expectations for volume and productivity are headwinds to our 2021 operating goal. In addition, we've seen fuel prices continue to rise and pressure margins. In fact, over the last 30 days, barrel prices have increased around $10 with spot diesel prices up over $0.25 per gallon. Offsetting some of this margin pressure is a positive business mix and strong pricing environment.

Speaker 5

So call. All in, we now expect our full year operating ratio improvement to be in the neighborhood of 175 basis points. While not is quite to the high end of the guidance range we established back in January. We view that level of improvement as another great milestone on our journey to a 50 Wrapping it up, it was a tough quarter operationally, yet we made great strides to strengthen our franchise and achieve solid results. In In fact, we stand poised to finish 2021 as Union Pacific's most profitable year ever.

Speaker 5

That achievement would not be possible without our tremendous employees who are So with that, I'll turn

Speaker 2

it back to Lance. Thank you, Jennifer. One area of continued focus by the team, as you've heard us talk about this morning, is safety. While our safety conference. There are some positive signs, including strong September results that indicate we're taking actions to produce desired long term results.

Speaker 2

The entire team understands that safety is foundational to everything we do at Union Pacific. Our service product has shown improvement over the past 60 days, but there's still work to be done. With increasing volumes related to the grain harvest and intermodal peak season is strong and gives us confidence that our long term goals for growth remain intact. And as you heard from Kenny, even with Macroeconomic headwinds, we're winning with our customers. While supply chain disruptions will likely persist into next year, we see our 3rd quarter and year to date results as proof of our team's ability to perform in the face of significant challenges.

Speaker 2

As headwinds turn to tailwinds, we're well positioned to build of our success and deliver even more value to our stakeholders. So with that, let's open up the line for your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And our first question comes from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. So Jennifer, you've been highlighting strong incremental margins year to date. I guess, I'm wondering why that doesn't continue in the 4th quarter. I think the guidance implies a flattish OR despite some really good pricing.

Speaker 7

And I think 4Q had some one time this is a year ago. So maybe just some thoughts on why the incrementals aren't better in Q4? And does this in any way change the outlook on the 55 OR for 2022.

Speaker 5

Well, let me start with that second part, Scott, because it in no way changes how we're looking at 2022. We absolutely believe we will still achieve those targets in 2022, consistent with what we talked about, in our May analyst meeting. In terms of Some of the pressures year over year, I mean, it really is a lot driven by fuel. The cost per gallon, if I'm looking at it year over year, is going to be up anywhere from, call it, 75% to is 80%. And that's just very tough to overcome, especially with flat volumes, because that's essentially how We're looking at things when we think about our volume guidance into 5% for full year.

Speaker 5

So while we're still expecting to be efficient, We just as we're continuing to restore some of the network fluidity, that's going to have some pressure on that, and that's what's being reflected in the guidance that we provided there.

Speaker 7

And just so I'm clear, that's a pressure to the operating ratio, but not necessarily earnings pressure?

Speaker 5

Operating ratio pressure, yes, Scott. Thank you.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you.

Speaker 5

All right. Thanks, Scott.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ken Hoexter with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just a little bit of following up. Kenny, as you think about that deceleration of 5% growth from 7%, which I guess Jen said it's flat, seems like it's 1% growth in the maybe a little acceleration in the Q4.

Speaker 8

Can you maybe talk about puts and takes on that? And then more specifically, the Port of LA noted they're seeing some significant rail improvement. Can you talk about if you're being able if you're able to move the freight, how is the supply chain? Can you Get the boxes inland and is there anything improving inland at the warehouses or chassis shortages, especially as we are at peak or moving past speak, are you seeing any improvement in the fluidity there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

All right. That's a few questions, so we'll hit them all hard. And Eric, You'll help me out a little bit here. So first of all, we're just walking down our business. If you look at it, we back to our coal business to have the same run rate that they have this quarter.

Speaker 3

You see where the future numbers are. We'll see where that takes us into the first as part of 2022. On the grain side, we'd be really happy if we can get to a flattish kind of year over year look. We'll see how that plays out. Maybe we get there.

Speaker 3

If we don't get there, maybe we're a corner so off. Looking at our industrial business, boy, it's a lot of opportunities in front of us. I've been really excited about the fact that the commercial team there has been able to win business. We're seeing it show up on the petrochem side As the production rates are going up from earlier in the year, on the metal side also, a lot of strong wins, business development wins that we're seeing that's also showing up. So we're really creating a lot of good things to move in our way.

Speaker 3

On the forest side, same thing, wins from truck from paper wins from truck on the lumber side. We'll see how that plays out. That should really be a positive area for us. But then the wild card here is on the premium side. You look at autos, I tell you, I've forecasted this thing wrong here a couple quarter.

Speaker 3

I think that I believe that we're certainly in the trough. I don't see it really improving in the quarter. We'll see what happens in the next year, maybe some gradual improvement. And then on the international, intermodal side, Eric and The team has done a great job of really reacting and engaging the terminals at the port and the port. I'm really proud of the fact that we've got a product that we've created in the Inland Empire to actually capture some of that business that might spill over.

Speaker 3

You know about the products that we've created up in the Twin Cities and we've got our grain facility coming on at G4 to make it just more attractive for customers to really come in and move on the international side. And on the domestic side, I expect the same run rate that we're seeing today and we're We're expecting a tougher comp on our e commerce businesses. We'll have more of a normal Christmas. So

Speaker 4

Ken, regarding the ports themselves and thinking about our system fluidity, first, it's important that we applaud the same efforts that you did with the effort on which is 24% better than our peak in July. So we have cars, they're available. From a velocity perspective, How fluid are we from getting point A to point B? We're at 4 88 miles per day yesterday, which is the best we've been in 9 months. So we have the fluidity to move Handle the volume efficiently, we need the back end of the supply chain with warehouse capacity, warehouse labor, dray capacity and dray labor to be there to answer that call.

Speaker 4

We're not doing that and putting that entirely on the back end though. We've taken actions even in the last six of 2019. You've heard me talk before about we've opened G3. We've gone deeper. We've got 5,000 cars now strategically placed.

Speaker 4

We've extended hours and selected ramps, most notably our recent extension to 24 hours at ICTF in LA. We've also expanded hours for Roadability, which is a matter of expanding hours for the inspection and maintenance of chassis. We're being With our customers to ensure that anything they can do to continue to improve supply chain fluidity, we're supporting.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks, Kenny and Eric. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Walter with RBC. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Yes, thanks very much. I guess this question is for Lance and it's a little bit conceptual and it's regarding the supply chain Supply chain issues and whether they're structural or temporary. Effectively, if this is temporary and we work through the next Q2, we don't need to worry about anything, but it

Speaker 2

seems a

Speaker 9

little bit more structural. You add in the While wildfires can be kind of a one off, they do recur and can aggravate the supply chain situation. My question is, if they are structural, Lance, do you look at anything that you can do that outside of what you're doing for your company and the things that you can control, there are a lot of aspects with the supply chain you can't and you're starting to see your competitors dip into other aspects of non rail operations. Is this something that given if indeed it is structural and you want to Have more handle and ability to bring other operations in line with your rail operation. Could you start looking at acquisitions that are outside of your core rail assets?

Speaker 2

That's a great question, Walter. Let's start with Structural or temporary, I'm still of the belief that most of what we see is temporary, but that doesn't mean the fundamental basis for your question isn't still appropriate, right? So if we just into the pandemic over the last 18 months has impacted the labor ability to fill jobs either on the back and warehouse dray over in the origin shutting down factories, ports. And I don't think that lasts forever, right? That certainly strikes me as something that we, the U.

Speaker 2

S. And the world, are going to get our arms around either through mass vaccination, therapeutics, combination of both. So I think ultimately, The way the supply chain is disrupted right now doesn't last. That doesn't mean that We shouldn't continue to keep our eyes open on opportunities to basically be better for customers. Step 1 in that has a lot to do with transparency and visibility in the existing supply chain across partners.

Speaker 2

We're working very hard in that space with each of the supply chain partners that we have, whether it's a technology platform that we can all use to See everybody's KPIs and current status or something more. And to your point, from an inorganic growth opportunity perspective, There are probably opportunities in there, and we have talked about that being a juice and augment to our fundamental growth of the railroad and bringing more cars onto the railroad. So I think there are opportunities there, Walter, and we've got our eyes wide open and are looking for them as we continue to work on the overall supply chain.

Speaker 6

All

Speaker 9

right. Really helpful perspective. Thanks, Hans.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from the line of Justin Long with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Thanks and good morning. I guess building on that last question with the CP KCS merger moving forward, I wanted to get your updated thoughts on how this could impact your business. Could you talk about the risks that this deal could pose to either your business or FerroMEX's business given your ownership stake there and how you could potentially mitigate some of those risks?

Speaker 2

Yes. Great question, Justin. Thank you. So we've been crystal clear all along that there are a number of concerns we have in terms of maintaining and enhancing competition with this of the proposed merger. The primary one is making sure that our customers continue to have good commercial access with businesses in Mexico.

Speaker 2

And act as a marketplace for businesses in Mexico. We just want to make sure that in the combination of the CP and the KCS, our customers aren't locked out from that access. So we are active in the process right now to make sure that concern is known and that it gets addressed in some kind of remedy. I think there are bona fide risks to our business to and from Mexico to the maybe the FXE's business, but I think we've got a pretty good beat on them. We understand them, and We're actively already working to address it.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from the line of Amit Mehrotra with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to Get your perspective on what inning you think we're in with respect to the pricing opportunity. I think that's an appropriate question given we're in baseball playoff season, but I really ask that question because we saw a nice sequential uplift in intermodal and coal yields. But everything else I would say was a bit muted.

Speaker 11

I know there's mix within mix that can impact that. But Maybe just as a summary, just talk about what inning you think we're in, where you think the biggest opportunities are to see yield improvement from where we are today. Date and then just intermodal and coal just took a big step up. Is that sustainable in 4Q and as you look at in 2022? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Kenny, you want to take that?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Amit, for that question. First, I'll start off by saying that I feel much better about where we are today in terms of our ability to price the products in even earlier in this year. We're looking at 4th quarter, we're going to start bid season here with a small amount of bids out there call it 10% to 15% on a lot of our intermodal business, clearly on a lot of our carload business. We're stepping into that.

Speaker 3

It's a strong environment for us. It's a favorable environment for us. We're going to price to the marketplace. We're seeing the tight truck capacity, not just on the intermodal side, we also see it On the carload side, so we'll have a lot more clarity on it. But I'll tell you right now, as I sit here today, it's a favorable environment for us to be pricing in.

Speaker 11

So, Kenny, you're not going to fight on the inning question in terms of giving us

Speaker 3

a number? Well, I'm a college football fan, first Small, but the bottom line is that, hey, look, this is it's better than I've seen it in a while. I haven't seen it This strong since the last part of 'eighteen. We feel good about the products that we have out there. I've talked about all all the new products with Inland Empire and Twin Cities and the network that we have and what Eric is doing to improve the service that you're seeing.

Speaker 3

So It's a favorable environment for us and we feel good about our ability to price into it.

Speaker 11

Okay, fair enough. Thank you very much. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Amit.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from the line of Chris Wetherbee with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 12

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Maybe I can ask the pricing question maybe a little bit differently or come at it from a bit of a different perspective. You just mentioned sort of not This is probably as good as you've seen since sort of tail end of 2018. I guess that was really kind of what I was interested that maybe you could put into perspective what we're seeing now from a pricing opportunity to maybe what we saw in 2018 or maybe going back to 2014 when we had these sort of big uplifts in the pricing dynamic, particularly coming off the back of a very strong truckload market.

Speaker 12

So do you think that what we're seeing now is sort of commensurate to what we saw back in those other periods? Could this potentially be a little bit better just given what we're seeing from supply chain perspective, any perspective around that relative to history might be really helpful for us.

Speaker 3

You know, totally different reasons. I mean, 2018 was the supply chain challenges weren't as holds up as they are Today, there are so many things that come into play when you look at what's on the water, what's at the port, street dwell and some of the Kathy Turnes. This is a little bit different. In terms of the pricing opportunity, I'd say it's still there. I feel again pretty strong about the opportunities that we have.

Speaker 3

We get to test the waters here. Like I mentioned, here in the 4th quarter, we've got some large pieces of business that are coming on. So we'll see how it plays out, but we're pretty

Speaker 12

The

Speaker 1

The next question is from the line of Jason Seidl with Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 13

Thank you, operator, and good morning, I wanted to focus a little bit more on the supply chain disruptions as you seem to be one of the main carriers impacted given your exposure to LA Long Beach. Could you Tell us, I guess, what you think of the most recent plan by the administration to sort of get through this backlog? I think there's something like $22,000,000,000 worth of freight sitting off the shores. And then also, once we do get through that, do you think there could be a lull of freight for a short period of time?

Speaker 2

Thank you. Well, yes, those are great questions, Jason. So the way we think about recovery of current supply chain From my perspective, it really fundamentally boils down to putting people in jobs in order to increase the capacity for handling throughput. And that's both dray drivers, whether you're in the LA Basin or out in the destination markets And certainly in warehousing and distribution center labor. There might be an opportunity with port labor in terms of being able to maximize throughput through the port, and I know they're talking about that.

Speaker 2

And so I believe the Biden administration has identified is basically increasing the throughput capability and the capacity capability and understands the need to help put There's some really good looking markers that tell us the economy is in a pretty strong place and maybe it'll stay there for a while. There's a lot of cash on deposit accounts that people are sitting on, and that is dry powder yet to be deployed in spending. As long as consumers continue to spend on things, that's really good for the goods economy, which of course is part of the economy that we participate in. And there's also generally consumers are generally optimistic. They're fragile because of the impacts that the COVID pandemic have had on all of us.

Speaker 2

But they're generally pretty optimistic. And we just need to see, I think, the COVID pandemic get under control and get continued signs of normalcy. And I think consumers will spend that money. And below inventory to sales ratio is going to drive a need for continued stocking. So I feel pretty good about it.

Speaker 2

Certainly, as we head into 2022, it looks like

Speaker 13

Well, Lance, I appreciate the color and believe me, my kids are trying to support the economy the best they can in spending my

Speaker 14

Keep it up.

Speaker 4

Yes. I wanted

Speaker 13

to just follow-up. You talked about sort of labor shortages between dray warehouses and ports. I mean, if You had to rank them, what order would you put them in in terms of what's the biggest problem?

Speaker 2

Yes. Jason, by far, if we could snap our fingers, on the Back end, we would love to see more, dray and warehouse distribution capacity. That's the First thing that we would love to see, I think that would fundamentally change street time for chassis and boxes.

Speaker 13

Fantastic. Appreciate the time as always.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from the line of Cherilyn Radbourne with TD Securities. Please

Speaker 15

Thanks very much and good morning. Kenny, I think this is for you. At the beginning, you mentioned moving coal customers to index based contracts. And I was just hoping you could A little bit more on how that creates a win win for Union Pacific end customers.

Speaker 3

Yes. It really just keeps them in the market, it keeps them competitive, especially when you have natural gas prices as high as they are. I put them in the money and we have a really strong service product to support it. We feel good about where that is in the 4th quarter, Probably feel good about where it is in the Q1 and we need to reassess it on a quarterly basis.

Speaker 15

Maybe just as a quick Follow-up, does that imply that revenue per unit will follow like global benchmark prices in some way? Is that how we should think about it?

Speaker 3

I think that's a safe bet to think that way.

Speaker 2

To a degree, right?

Speaker 15

Thank you.

Speaker 2

There's only Sherri Lynn, to a degree, right, because there's only a portion of the book of business that's priced that way, but that portion is definitely going to follow that.

Speaker 15

Fair enough. Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hey, Hey, good morning everyone and thank you for taking my question. Kenny, you spoke about some business development efforts in your prepared remarks. I think on the ag side industrial, maybe even Mexico Energy, can you speak more to that? And I mean, I know you have a pandemic comp this year, but as you look into 2022 and beyond, Are these the types of things that are giving you confidence in that 3 plus percent volume outlook long term?

Speaker 3

Yes, Absolutely. I mean, we teed up at Investor Day how we thought about the biofuel market. One of the things that I'm proud of That's all team for us that they develop that market. I mean, you look at the Midwest and some of these central states, we've got a unique opportunity where we originate that business. And then we have another unique opportunity in some cases where we might be able to move some of that product to the end market.

Speaker 3

So we're Going out from a business development standpoint and just developing that business. As you look at our industrial side, same thing too. You look at Mexico Energy Reform, team has just done a fabulous job of just walking We're helping them grow. On the premium side, wow, we've got nice work coming in January And we're fired up about it. There are some other areas again that we have just gone out and created So market and so we're excited about it.

Speaker 3

We do feel I'm bullish. We feel very strong going into next year.

Speaker 2

Brandon, I want to brag on not just Kenny and the commercial team, but the cooperation between Kenny and the operating team and all the other internal support mechanisms that make that business development effort happen. They're going after business in so many different ways, whether it's Their ability to compete in their marketplace. All of the above is generating business development. It's happening mostly in singles and doubles, but I'll take lots of singles and doubles and a team that's oriented towards making that happen.

Speaker 5

When you saw that show up in the industrial space this quarter, Hey, Matt. Hey, Matt. Talking about being able to really capitalize and jump in where we saw some hot markets. Kenny and the team did it and then Eric and team moved it.

Speaker 9

Yes. All right, guys. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our The next question is from the line of Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just Just want to ask Eric about the operations side and maybe about steps getting productivity and service consistency back on track and what still sounds like is going to be a pretty volatile volume and potentially operating environment. So I think train lengths were down for the first time that we can really find on record, but they were improving in September. So maybe you can touch on that in terms of how you can maintain that momentum even if volumes are flat.

Speaker 8

And then just if you can also touch on what else is in your control, the C rate on fuel is obviously moving in the right direction. Is there anything else specifically on the initiative side you're looking at on labor as well? Thank you.

Speaker 4

Sure. It's a great question, Brian. So let's Starting at the beginning there. So to your point, coming out of the recovery, the actual events that started the recovery, yes, the service performance, Our velocity and then looking at them now, strong moves in the right direction. As you properly said, we're not to where we need to be.

Speaker 4

As I look at Over the Q4, our biggest opportunities are down in our southern and specifically the southeast region of our system. The team is absolutely focused on ensuring that we can continue to get those terminals operating at a historical dwell level or better, and that's the focus right now. As we increase velocity, you see a direct correlation to our improvement in service, and I expect that out of the team. Now as far as the Broader productivity, I mean, you hit on the fuel efficiency. And I really want to take a minute to really recognize the team on that and stress that because Our 3rd quarter best ever record and a 1% improvement against a quarter that was dramatically challenging in a lot of different ways, specifically in how many screens we had to reroute, that's a massive accomplishment.

Speaker 4

But as you look at fuel efficiency, much like the rest of our pipelines, There's strong initiatives in each one of those. So I think about we still have the opportunity to modernize another 100 locomotives next year as part of our plan. That's on top of the 100 we're modernizing this year. In those modernizations, we'll get locomotives that can be operating as DPU units, which provide fuel conservation as we can run more of those. As we think about EMS, I told you earlier in the year, we're going to install 800 units.

Speaker 4

We're We're installing 800 units this year. We'll continue with that investment next year. So I could continue to go on and on. The point is the pipelines are full. It has been a challenging quarter.

Speaker 4

There's nothing that stands in front of us to get back on track in Q4.

Speaker 2

Well, and Brian didn't ask it specifically, but you've got a path towards 10,000 foot Average train line.

Speaker 4

With our September performance of 9,500, we are absolutely on that path. And with the construction of our sidings that I mentioned, 9 being already completed 26 in the pipeline. We absolutely have that passed.

Speaker 5

And that's impacted by this model supply chain issue. Amen. For sure.

Speaker 8

Right. Just to follow-up real quick, I was going to ask on that if the train length impact in the quarter really was from the bridge or Would you see more volatility on that if the intermodal supply chain doesn't recover as expected or at least stabilize here a

Speaker 3

bit? Yes.

Speaker 4

Yes. So let's start with the bridge. So if you think about when the bridge went out, what that really did was it severed an artery where we were able to run back up to Portland. We're restricted to that 8,300 feet for a number of different reasons. So the fall off in train length prior to September was absolutely related to the bridge outage.

Speaker 4

Now to your point, as we see intermodal volumes grow, That's always a huge lever for us to grow train length, especially across our Sunset Corridor up to Chicago.

Speaker 8

All right, great. Thank you for all the color.

Speaker 1

I appreciate it. Next question is from the line of Jon Chappell with

Speaker 6

with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Good morning. Eric, sticking with you, maybe a bit of a quantitative follow-up to the last question and answers.

Speaker 6

The $150,000,000 in reduced productivity expectations for this year is completely understandable given everything you've just laid out, whether it's macro or the bridge in Wildfires. Is that lost productivity though from the network as you think about a multiyear plan? Or can you make that up at some point next year incrementally to what you're already budgeting for 'twenty two productivity gains?

Speaker 4

Yes, John, that's an exceptionally good question. And I want to be very clear, that is not lost, And it's expected that we make that up in next year.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. And it can be within a 6 month period or is it kind of over the course of the year.

Speaker 4

Now we're getting into those Indian questions again. So, John, rest assured, The entire team understands we have to get that back. As you would imagine, as we think through the 2020 And what it's going to present, those plans are still under works, but it's all with an eye towards capturing back that $150,000,000

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Eric.

Speaker 2

Thank you, John.

Speaker 1

Our next question is from the line of Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. I know you've had quite a few questions on capacity, but I I guess wanted to

Speaker 6

kind of

Speaker 10

get your thoughts on 2022 and how capacity and volume how we might think of that. I think there's positive thesis out on rails that says we've seen temporary weakness in volume, but you look to 2022 and there's pretty good chance volume improves. Conference call. And I think that is probably linked to capacity coming online. Lance, do you think that's a reasonable View to have that U and P volume growth can accelerate nicely in 2022?

Speaker 10

And do you think you have good visibility to that

Speaker 2

Yes. Tom, thanks for the question. So absolutely, it's is a reasonable thesis to say we're going to grow in 2022. Our commitment that we made at the Investor Day is over the 3 year period, we're going to grow better than industrial production, and we believe that we're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 4

There There's a couple of

Speaker 2

things that I'll point to. We've got Knight Swift coming on board. That'll be a growth engine. We've got the headwinds in the automotive industry and the overall supply chain mostly impacting the intermodal business. In my viewpoint, it's very unlikely that carries all the way through next year.

Speaker 2

There is conference. And so I think those get remedied, and that's a growth engine. And then Kenny's team, as we just outlined in both industrial

Speaker 6

And in

Speaker 2

the premium side on business development, keep adding opportunity into the bucket. So it's absolutely a decent thesis to say we're growing and we're growing better than industrial production next year. Now the other side of that is capacity. We've got plenty of capacity. Our fixed capacity, our railroad can definitely handle the growth as we go into next year.

Speaker 2

And we're employees to add the fungible resources, the employees necessary to handle it, not on a one for one basis because we are generating productivity, but I see no issue with the thesis you just laid out.

Speaker 10

Can you talk a little bit about the specific resources is you're adding? Are you adding more people at the intermodal terminals? Are you adding more chassis? Are you are there areas you need to add more cars to support that in 'twenty two?

Speaker 2

There are always rifle shots from a capital spending perspective, Tom, that we have to take care of. Eric identified some in terms of siting extensions. We've got some capacity spending that's going on in our new intermodal ramps, whether it's the Inland Empire or up in the Twin Cities, but I consider those rifle shots. Those are very specific little pieces of the network that will have a very positive generating ROI to them. In terms of manpower resources, employees, we've got needs here and there.

Speaker 2

And again, those tend to be pockets, and they're driven by growth or they're driven by normal attrition. Okay. And we're right now in the process of hiring in a few areas around the network. We've got a training pipeline that's both representative of people we've hired and people we've called back from furlough. But I don't consider those numbers anything kind of worth

Speaker 1

Our next question is from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 16

Thanks, operator, and good morning, guys. So Lance and Kenny, I kind of want to present the bare cases of some of the arguments you're putting out there, right? I mean, we're in the tightest truck market we've been in sort of Right. This is

Speaker 13

a non conference game for Alabama as opposed to a

Speaker 16

college football playoff game, if you will. Now And we're still seeing intermodal volume down 6%. So

Speaker 4

when I

Speaker 16

get asked that question, like how would you respond to the that in this really super tight market where demand for intermodal should be off the charts, you're not growing. So what's going to change between now and the next 2 years that will help you grow?

Speaker 2

Oh, absolutely. David, you just outlined the connection. Our volume in intermodal is down because of tight dray market. We don't have enough dray capacity to support the overall supply chain on the intermodal product. That is going to be remedied, right?

Speaker 2

Supply and demand in our market economy gets remedied. Truck driver wages are going up, dray wages are going up. It's all looking good. So I feel very good about Overcoming the bear case that you just outlined because they're intimately connected. Kenny?

Speaker 3

First of all, I'm a Georgia fan and not Alabama.

Speaker 16

I took a shot. I took a shot.

Speaker 3

That's fine. It's still SEC. Hey, first of all, yes, we've got an investment here that's coming on in the first half of the year of Here in the first half of the year, we've got GPS that we're investing in. I can't say enough about how Much capacity opportunities are there in the Inland Empire and we're working very closely with Eric's team on that and we still have Room to grow in the Twin Cities. So, yeah, there are some macroeconomic and supply chain challenges out there.

Speaker 3

But what you're hearing me say and what you're hearing Lance As a team, we're really going after it and being very deliberate and specific about how to grow the business.

Speaker 7

Okay. And just as a quick follow-up, is

Speaker 16

it right to think that the onboarding of that Knight business will be easier because it's coming with The drayage and the chassis and the stuff that Nate is going to bring along with it?

Speaker 3

We don't see any issues bringing on that business. Yes.

Speaker 2

We are committed. We're well planned. There's a detailed executing plan already in place, and we're really looking forward to having them on as a partner. They're running an outstanding business. They'll be a great partner to have.

Speaker 16

All right. Thanks a lot for the time, guys.

Speaker 1

The next question is from the line of Ravi Shankar with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 14

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. If I can just kind of Good day on the same team. Kenny, you highlighted in your prepared remarks some of the challenges forecasting the autos business in the last few months. At the risk of asking you to judge somebody else's crystal ball, we have heard from some of the industry Data providers that their outlook for auto production recovery through 2022 is really slow.

Speaker 14

So is there a risk That, A, auto production is definitely going to ramp next year, but the ramp is not nearly as much as people think. And B, When the production does ramp, is there a risk that some of those finished products get put on truck to expedite their path to dealers? Or are you confident about maintaining share in the auto

Speaker 3

Yes, that's an interesting question. It really depends on what you believe and what you've heard us say is that we believe the run rates will continue into the Q4. And then it'll be a slow gradual ramp up into the first half by late spring, summer. If we can get to where the forecasted SAR is, that'd be an excellent position for us. We expect to really have a strong product that is competitive with trucks, so we don't see where we would lose Any of that business.

Speaker 3

And we also would anticipate that some of the auto parts business will show up a little bit before the finished vehicle product.

Speaker 14

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ravi.

Speaker 1

Our Our next question is from the line of Jeff Kauffman with Vertical Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 17

Thank you very much and congratulations on a tough quarter. Kenny, I'm going to stick with the football analogies here. When I go out and I talk to shippers, they all tell me we'd love to use a lot more intermodal than we're able to right now. In fact, if we add our druthers, we'd put another 5% or 6% of our spend in intermodal. How many points are we leaving on the Board due to these turnovers, so to speak, from the environment?

Speaker 17

And if you were able to get that great capacity and run the

Speaker 3

What I'll tell you what we're doing is going out and inserting solutions where we can. So Eric and his team has done a really good job of keeping in contact with the terminals. From a technology side, we've inserted APIs at the port. From an investment perspective, we're going out and really owning our own destiny in terms of expansion. We're and out temporarily another facility down in the Houston area.

Speaker 3

Our loop subsidiary is going out and working with BCO to expedite drayage. We're doing everything we can in our control Tonight, just accept what the supply chain challenges are out there. We're trying to own it. And so and you've heard about the investments that we're making on the chassis and GPS side. So what you're hearing from me is we're doing everything we can to control our destiny to maximize what's call.

Speaker 2

Kenny, another way to answer Jeff's question, Jeff, if you recall, when we came into the year, gave guidance that said 4% to 6% growth. And coming out of the second quarter, the lay of the land looked pretty strong and we upped that to 7%. And now because in part of the intermodal supply chain disruption, along with the continued issues on Semiconductors for automotive, we've dropped that back to 5%. So right there, you see 2 percentage points of growth On the whole business that is connected to supply chains being screwed up.

Speaker 4

Could I go

Speaker 17

a little further out on So I guess what I'm reaching for here is I understand the current environment, but you're doing about, Let's call it $4,500,000,000 in intermodal revenue. If we got a truck industry that's capacity constrained. We got prices going through the roof. We got a lot of people that want to use intermodal that just can't right now, for for a variety of reasons, but not as much as they want to right now. If these factors were to mitigate over the next 2 to 3 years, what do you think that intermodal business could look like?

Speaker 17

I mean, do your customers say, geez, we'd love to give you another 5% of Our transportation budget on intermodal if the network could handle it. I mean, what kind of conversations are you having with folks

Speaker 2

Jeff, this is Lance. Your thesis is spot on. Our customers tell that they'd love to use more intermodal product. And that's a great place to be. We're not going to try to guess is exactly what that looks like.

Speaker 2

We'll build next year's budget. We've got a long range plan we'll continue to tweak and build on. But your thesis is spot on. There's tons of opportunity out there.

Speaker 17

Okay. Thank you very much and congratulations.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Our final question is from the line of Jordan Allinger with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 18

Yes, hi. Just a quick question on Paul, I know the domestic opportunity should be good for UP with gas prices, but I think Kenny you mentioned Export II. I didn't think that was as big or important part of your franchise. I'm just sort of curious how much of an opportunity export can be.

Speaker 3

Every carload matters and we've been able to grow our export business. But to your point, it's a Smaller part of our overall portfolio.

Speaker 18

But there is opportunity set there in this environment?

Speaker 3

Absolutely. We've seen a handful of wins that we're really excited about.

Speaker 2

Yes. And putting a little bow on that, Jordan, you know that Eastern Railroads and their export business is substantial and big, and And our export business doesn't really look anything like that.

Speaker 18

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Lancers for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you, Rob, And thank you all for being engaged with us this morning and your questions. We really appreciate getting into those discussions. We We look forward to talking with you again in January when we discuss our 4th quarter and full year results. And until then, I wish you all very good health. Thank you, and take

Speaker 1

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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