Citrix Systems Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Citrix Q3 2021 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] [Operator Instructions]

And at this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Traci Tsuchiguchi. Please go ahead.

Traci T. Tsuchiguchi
Vice President of Investor Relations at Citrix Systems

Good morning, and thank you for joining us for today's third quarter 2021 earnings call. Participating on the call will be Bob Calderoni, Chairman and Interim Chief Executive Officer; and Arlen Shenkman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please note that we have posted our third quarter earnings letter to our Investor Relations website. I'd like to remind you that today's conversation will contain forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provision of the U.S. securities law. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those anticipated.

Additional information concerning these and other factors is highlighted in today's earnings letter and in the company's filings with the SEC. Copies are available from the SEC or on our Investor Relations website. On this call, we will discuss various non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC's Regulation G. A reconciliation of the differences between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call can be found at the end of our earnings letter found on the Investor Relations page of our website.

Now I'd like to turn it over to Bob Calderoni, our Chairman and Interim Chief Executive Officer. Bob?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Thanks, Traci. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. For those of you whom I've not yet met, I'm Bob Calderoni, Chairman of the Board and Interim CEO. And as you know, I stepped into this new role just a few weeks ago. And while I will need some time before I can share with you my views on 2022 and beyond, I thought I would give you some of my early observations on the business.

Today, I see a business with very strong assets and a solid foundation. Citrix, as you know, is the leader in its markets. We're #1 in the VDI DaaS market, and we're #2 in the ADC market. And those market positions are supported by strong technology advantages. The markets we participate in are healthy and growing, and our important VDI DaaS business has some strong secular tailwinds with trends supporting secure remote hybrid work. We have a strong and loyal customer base across the globe, and we have strong presence in every industry vertical. And from a business perspective, we've proven success in our transition to the cloud with over $1 billion of SaaS ARR, and we have largely transitioned our model to recurring revenues with over $3 billion of ARR.

I believe the overall health and velocity of our business is best demonstrated by the fact that we expect our total ARR to grow nearly 10% this year on an organic basis. And I'll remind you, this growth is following a rather extraordinary year in 2020 that benefited from an unusual COVID demand. Another important metric signaling the health of any recurring revenue business is renewal rates. And while we do not disclose our renewal rates, I can say the rates are both strong and improving.

There's lot to point to on the positive side, but I think it's fair to say there've also been some missteps along the way, which is clearly overshadowing our success. These missteps are largely in our go-to-market motion and in our own forecasting, and I'm confident they're all fixable. We need to shore up our channel programs and put in place the right incentives for our channel partners. And we need to focus sales investments on direct selling quota-carrying individuals and eliminate excess investments in overlays and shared commissions. We're going to address all of these issues as part of our planning for 2022, and I will share more of that with you as part of our Q4 earnings call.

Much of this work is underway, but not yet complete. I can say, however, the objectives for this work are very clear. We strive to be more predictable, delivering solid growth again in our total ARR along with better margins and cash flow. My priorities have set us on a course to deliver the long-term sustainable growth and profitability, I know we are capable of achieving. I'm very happy to be in this role. I look forward to working with the rest of the management team to achieve these objectives. And I look forward to talking with many of you over the coming months.

With that said, let me now open the call for your questions.

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Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Kirk Materne from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead with your question.

Kirk Materne
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, thanks very much. Bob, just a couple of things, maybe as you settle in. I assume by your comments, there's not going to be any changes to the go-to-market motion for the fourth quarter. Anything that will be changed would be in the beginning of next year. And then, I guess, secondly, on the go-to-market side, can you just talk a little bit more about the channel kind of what's going on this year that hasn't worked, meaning is it the visibility into the channel pipeline isn't there? It's just an execution between sort of your expectations and what the channels delivered? I'm trying to get a little bit better sense of what's maybe gone wrong on that front and how you think about correcting it or is it again, you're just getting an early view on this?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes, Kirk, certainly. Look, the company talked about, I think, in an earlier conference call about some of the changes that were made to the channel over the past year or two that reduced the profitability of some of our channel partners' business as it related to Citrix and really some changes in our compensation program, which I think need to be tweaked. The issue really was about how we're compensating and incenting our channel partners. The channel is still there. The channel hasn't gone away. They're not selling somebody else's products. They're just focusing on other parts of their business. And like any part of a sales organization, and the channel is part of our sales organization, we want to make it more profitable for them to do business with us.

So there are a few actions we've taken. We've already started to take with our channel partners and automate the business more attractive to them. The first was we recently moved over some of our stalled and uncovered pipeline, and we're sharing that with them to give them leads and opportunities for new business. We've also modified some of our compensation programs. Think of it as like a [Indecipherable] stiff in the short term here to encourage more focus on the Citrix business. We're going to do things in a more structured way for 2022, like compensation plans, you typically start them out at the beginning of the year.

So we'll be more structured in our approach in 2022, but we didn't want to wait before we put some incentives in place. And then lastly, we're really working with them around educating them on the transition motion of transitioning existing customers to the cloud and giving them financial incentives. So we think that's not only good business for us, but we think there's really good opportunities for them to expand their business and add more value to their customers if they help them move to our cloud as well. So more to be done. Clearly, we just have to reverse some of the things that we did over the last year or two and make the business more attractive. And just like a sales force, if you make it more attractive to sell something, you'll get more of it sold and it's fixable. It might take a little bit of time before we see the uptick, but I'm pretty confident we will.

Kirk Materne
Analyst at Evercore ISI

That's great, thanks for all that color. And if I can just ask one quick one to Arlen. Arlen, I realize there's a lot of moving parts on the income statement, but EMEA was down again this quarter. Is that masking, I guess, what's going on from an ARR basis as we go through this perpetual to cloud shift? Or is EMEA just a little bit behind kind of where you'd want it to be? It might be a bit of both? I was just wondering if you could add some color on that front. Thanks.

Arlen Shenkman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. Thanks, Kirk. I think that it's really just a transition. And we've consistently seen that the U.S. is ahead of Europe in terms of moving to the cloud. And that fast transition is what's causing that headwind in terms of where they're headed. And I think we've seen it in the last couple of quarters, and we'll continue to see it as a good transition, but nothing more than that.

Kirk Materne
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Thank you all.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tyler Radke from Citi. Please go ahead with your question.

Tyler Radke
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Hey good morning and welcome back, Bob. I wanted to just ask you, kind of some initial thoughts on the restructuring actions that you announced here for Q4. Obviously, the company has been through a lot in terms of realignment over the years. And just kind of curious where you see the biggest areas of low-hanging fruit and just kind of what your initial take on the cost actions are? Thank you.

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. Well, the first thing I'd say is everything we're doing in terms of restructuring is, first and foremost, focused on growth. And I think this is something I've long believed that any business that is focused does a better job on execution and that includes not only margins, but that includes growth. So we are looking to ensure that we're making all of the necessary investments that support our growth. And we're looking to remove distractions that not only depress margins, but distract us from growth. So I think focus is an important part of it. I think the other thing I would say about it is we are going to keep or increase our direct quota-carrying individuals.

And we're going to increase I mentioned earlier, we're going to be making some changes and are making changes that will increase the compensation that we're providing to our channel partners. So this is, again, in support of growth, there will be more investment into the front line and revenue-generating aspects of our business. And then with that said, I think we're going to get more efficient in other parts of the business. So I think one of the things I found early on, and I'm saying that the go-to-market organization, is we introduced far too many overlays over the last 12 to 18 months.

And we've got too many instances where we have too many people getting compensated on the same deal. I don't think that's a good thing. I think that not only adds more cost, I think it also takes away sales capacity at the same time. So we're looking to drive a lot of those changes in the organization. And then in other parts of the organization, in R&D, it really is the product portfolio. Again, the things that are most important to us that are closely tied to our growth of VDI DaaS, ADC and in our content solutions, we're going to shore up and make sure we're making all of the investments needed in those areas and anything else that we don't have a lot of confidence in is going to be a material driver of growth, we're going to remove those. So I'm confident at the end of it, we'll have an organization better positioned to grow, and I think one that will also see margins improve and drive significantly more cash flow. I definitely see 2021 as a trough year for both margins and cash flow. So I think we're going to come out of this a much stronger company and one that can deliver and create more value. Yes. And maybe to follow up on the free cash flow, and I don't know if this makes sense for Arlen. But obviously, just from the looks of the performance year-to-date and kind of initial comments for Q4, it looks like free cash flow is going to be down pretty significantly this year. And I'm just wondering if you could unpack kind of the drivers of that. How much is related to the restructuring kind of onetime items? And if we can kind of think about the 2020 is the kind of a more of a normalized growth rate. Just any comments you can kind of bridge between what's implied in free cash flow for 2021, what could be driven by onetime items relative to what you saw last year? Thank you.

Tyler Radke
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Tyler, I would think of it -- first of all, as you know, there's a lot of moving parts to free cash flow. And for us to kind of normalize, this business is very complicated. So one of the reasons we highlighted in the letter was the fact that we had an increase in compensation expense in '21, which would try to help drive the conversation towards where you're going, which is what does normalized free cash flow really look like.

I think if you look at it on a multiyear basis and you think about how we're going to drive the company, I think it's fair to think of it as much more stabilized, and as Bob said, at a trough because there are factors that go into that. That being said, what we haven't included obviously, is free cash flow guidance for the year. And we haven't taken into account anything that might happen as a result of a restructuring. So that's not included in anything we might do. But I think to your concept updating about free cash flow on a more normalized basis, if you were to look at the last few years, it was probably an accurate way to think about it conceptually.

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. I think this year again, being a trough, we do have some cash flow headwinds this year that were spillover, as Arlen said, from last year. Last year's revenue growth, the storage and COVID, I think, drove a lot of added commissions and bonuses. And that largely gets paid out in the first quarter of the following year. So that spillover is sort of at least $100 million, I think, from last year into this year. And then as you can see, our margins are down this year. So that's -- we shouldn't have that spillover effect next year. And I won't quantify the margin improvement yet. It's premature, but we'll reverse the headwind on margin. And so I expect cash flow to be an inflection point here off of 2021 and get back on the right track and have much higher levels in the coming year or two.

Tyler Radke
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Moerdler from Bernstein Research. Please go ahead with your question.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Thank you very much for taking my question. I know it's a lot you have going on and getting up to speed on. Two questions, if you don't mind. A big portion of the complexity, the problems of Citrix was the fact that you were selling both perpetual licenses and term license in cloud. And you've now gotten rid of perpetual licenses for Workspace, which is a good step. But what are your plans for term licenses? Can you modify them to make them ratably recognized? Are you going to disincent to sell term licenses? And then I have a follow-up for Arlen.

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Look, I think the -- there's a ratable model, and then there's a delivery model. On the ratable model, we've recurring basis. We've moved -- we've largely moved all of our revenues to recurring revenues. It's not all ratable, but it's all recurring. And I think that's the most important thing because I think we will increase the lifetime revenue from our customers by doing that. As far as driving the delivery model, I think it's wrong to try to force a customer to a delivery model that doesn't work for them. We can incent them. We can encourage them. I think we've largely done that. We see the growth in our SaaS business. We're over $1 billion now in SaaS revenue. It's growing nicely. But I think when we -- any company that tries to force customers to do something that's not in their best interest is probably not a good thing to do.

So I feel really good that we've got the business recurring. And while it'd be easier to follow us, if it was all ratable, I think the best metric now to look at is the annualized recurring revenue on a total basis. I think that sorts out all the noise of the business model transition. It also sorts out the noise of having different licensing models. And if we look at that, I'm very encouraged by the results. We have 13% growth in that metric through three quarters of this year. We're saying, for the full, year, we'll be approximately 10% for the full year, and I feel really good about that. And I think that is a metric that's most important to me in understanding the health and velocity of the business. And I think we can provide that transparency for investors being that it is all recurring revenue.

And that's something you'll see an increasing focus on both us internally and I think in our marketing messages out to you and to other investors as well. So that's really good. Now I do think customers are naturally going to migrate for the cloud delivery model. We just want them to do that on a rate and pace that makes sense for them because Citrix' infrastructure is oftentimes tied to a much bigger decision around the cloud, not just about Citrix. And I think we've got to recognize that reality.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Lower than we've seen for many other companies in the industry. What pulls it down to 1.7 years. Is it the term licenses? Is it networking software? Any color would be appreciated.

Arlen Shenkman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. I think you cut out there for a second, Mark. But I think your question was about duration, the 1.7. And I think the other way to think about it is, look, first of all, we're happy with 1.7 is as you recognize, if you compare it to the fourth quarter when we had a high, is a high for us. And obviously, as we continue to sell SaaS licenses, we expect that will continue to go up. That being said, the combination of the transition of the ADC business, which we see that as on-prem business as well as the SaaS business puts us in a position where we're going to have modifications for that duration. Some of those things include termination of contracts. Some of those are going to be the transition of the business. But with where we are, we're happy with where we are in terms of our threshold. We expect that will continue to go up, but we're not going to do anything to push that up faster other than the transition itself, which will continue over time.

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. This is a great example of my earlier point about why the focus has to be on ARR because the duration goes up or down. I mean, obviously, duration, I'd rather sign longer-term deals than shorter-term deals. But if duration goes up or down, it creates noise in reported revenues, and we could be having a good quarter, but have less duration and that could be a misleading indicator and vice versa. So I'm going to increasingly point everybody to ARR as a metric that normalizes all of that. And I think that's going to be a better indicator of our underlying health and velocity.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Thank you, I appreciate. That makes sense.

Brent Thill
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Our next question comes from Brent Thill from Jefferies. Please go ahead with your question. Thanks, Bob, just I want to talk through when you talk about the confidence of the trough in the margin and cash flow. Most companies that are less than 15% penetrated into the cloud and have a number of the items that you listed on your to-do list, it seems like there's quite a bit of investment you have to put in. What gives you confidence given all those investments that you can manage through that this being the trough year?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Look, I'm a firm believer that a business like Citrix, a software business in our scale, could do both. I think that we can grow at reasonable levels, and I think we can have respectable profitability. Our margins went down this year largely because we set unrealistic expectations at the beginning of the year for a level of bookings that were greater than what was a surge in 2020. I think everyone would -- I don't think it would be a surprise that booking levels would be lower this year than 2020, but the higher than the trend line, if we look past 2020. I'm looking at the pre-COVID trend line, they're higher.

And I think we would have felt a lot differently about the year if we had a better, I think, better internal forecasting what this year looked like. But a lot of negative things happen when you're not realistic. The first thing is you wind up setting quotas too high, and that's not good for your sales force. We also allow spending to come into the company for revenue that you're not going to get. And you saw the margins of the business come down from 30% last year to 26%, the thereabouts for 2021. I think this is a margin restoration program more than these are all very fixable operating things that we have to work on. As I said in my comments earlier, this is not about limiting growth. This is about funding growth. But anything that isn't funding growth, I think, is a distraction, and we're going to walk and shoot them. I think we can do both. And this organization can do it.

Brent Thill
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

And maybe any time a new leader comes in, there's concern about how big the shakeup is going to be. When you think about kind of the fine tune versus overhaul, how would you characterize the magnitude of changes you want to make?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Strategy is intact. This is a business that has a lot of tailwinds. I think remote hybrid work is here to stay. I think there is a lot of secular tailwinds in this business that should fuel growth for quite some time. I feel really good about that. I don't think the strategy needs to be overhauled at all. I think these are fixable operational things. Sometimes companies focus on growth and only growth. And I think it takes more than that to run a successful business. I think you can be operationally sound and you can grow a business. It's not a either/or. It is a both. And I don't think we're choking off growth by having a little better margin than we have in this business.

Mark Moerdler
Analyst at Bernstein Research

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Karl Keirstead from UBS. Please go ahead with your question.

Karl Keirstead
Analyst at UBS Group

Thanks, Bob but just to follow up on that last question. When you say that the strategy doesn't need an overhaul and these are fixable operational issues, that sends a signal that you're really not contemplating the outright exit or sale of any major Citrix businesses or product lines. And I noticed you did express a commitment to the ADC as a service. Is that the correct interpretation, Bob?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

We have three businesses largely today. We're in the VDI DaaS business, we're in the ADC business, and we're in content solutions, largely, the right business. Those are, when I think about the business that we're in. And so I feel good about all three of those businesses. So we are investing in ADC as a service, and we'll continue to do that. I see ADC as an important part of our VDI and DaaS solutions. So we're largely going to stay in those three businesses.

But like every company, there's always investments that are being made around the edges of all of that stuff. And sometimes those investments are synergistic to what we're doing. And sometimes those investments are, I think, distractions. And so that's where we're doing a portfolio analysis right now. If it's fine, it will have a meaningful contribution to the growth, it's going to get well funded. And if it isn't, it's going to get defunded. And it's clear that we're doing that.

So at a high level, no change. Obviously, at a detailed level, there has to be some change, but I think it's going to be something that will support growth and not limit growth. Companies that can put more wood behind fewer arrows, I think are going to be more successful than companies who have spread themselves too thin across too many priorities. I've been telling the organization since I got here when everything is important, nothing is important. So we have to focus on what's important.

Karl Keirstead
Analyst at UBS Group

Got it. Makes sense. I guess one of the other things that I think is important that I haven't heard as much on, on this call is around Wrike. That was Citrix' largest acquisition by far over the last several years. I did notice that you trimmed your ARR guide a little bit for Wrike. Bob, Arlen, what's the plan to perhaps do a better job around driving synergies and reducing attrition around Wrike, such that, that can be an important part of the growth story at Citrix?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. Look, Wrike, the company did change its forecast for the full year. ARR went from $180 million to $90 million estimate to $170 million to $180 million. So from that point of view, I think it has slightly underperformed really our expectations. But it's still growing nicely. I think we've got mid-20s kind of growth in the ARR there. So it's still a good growth business. I see it as continuing to be accretive to our growth. And I think we can do better than that. The market is growing pretty strong in that business, and we have a good product. Like all acquisitions, I think there's always some confusion that happens in an organization after an acquisition, and I think some of that is true here. But again, that's -- I see that as temporary. And all of those things can get settled down and start driving to a higher level of growth.

Karl Keirstead
Analyst at UBS Group

Great, thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sanjit Singh from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead with your question.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Thank you for picking me, and thanks Bob for taking the question. The question really is around what you think the source of the issue is. And I sort of listened to the questions that have been given and your answers. And it seems to me that you're really pointing at kind of the efficiency of the business and the efficiency of operations rather than the pace of the cloud transition. I just want to make sure that I'm sort of interpreting that correctly.

When you look at the ARR growth and more importantly, the 15% of the base that has moved on the cloud, are you happy with those metrics? I mean, we always want things to get better. But high level, do you think that pace that we've seen over the last four to six quarters, has that been the pace that you guys have been satisfied with? Is it just sort of the efficiency at which you're executing through the cloud transition being more of the issue?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

No, I don't think it's the right way to read this that the focus is on efficiencies versus pace of transition. I think quite the contrary. To me, velocity of the business is the #1 focus. And there, it's on total ARR and a 13% growth across the board. I think that's been really good this year at that level there. Clearly, we want to continue to drive the pace of transition. That's not only new sales to our cloud platform, but also moving existing customers off of on-prem and onto the cloud platform, and that's accelerating.

And I think that's a continued focus of the company there. So don't mistake the comments that we want to have higher margins with priority over growth. Growth is the #1 priority. But like I said earlier, we can both continue to fuel our growth and also be a more profitable company than we are in 2021. Our margins didn't come down this year because we were fueling too much growth. Our margins came down to us. We made a couple of mistakes in the go-to-market motion that we need to clean up, and we're going to clean them up.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Understood. And just to follow up on the broader margin question. I think if we take a step back philosophically, and when we talk about Citrix' cloud transition over the last several years, I think you guys have been distinctive in sort of the messaging to the market that we're going to have a cloud transition and broadly, margins, revenue growth and cash flow were all going to improve during this transition to subscription and then ultimately to SaaS, which is distinctive, right, in most other software companies that are going through cloud transition, the message to investors typically.

Hey, we have to digest a period of potentially slower growth, maybe lower margins, but the unit economics of our cloud tradition are so compelling that you come out the other side looking really strong from a cash flow position. So understanding like you're going to be investing in direct sales people to drive that growth. But philosophically, the point around growing margins, cash flow in concert with the SaaS transition, is that -- do you feel confident that that's still the right path to go?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Yes. I think, again, we're not emphasizing margins over growth. We're -- this -- I should maybe call this a margin restoration program that it will improve our margins. But the #1 focus is on the growth and in supporting the transition. And I think the company is making good progress on that transition. And a lot of the changes that we're talking about here, I think, are going to be focused around that. So we're going to increase the direct quota carrying individuals. We're going to increase the channel investments that are driving the front line.

We're going to take away things aren't adding to growth, just adding to expense. I mean, having a bunch of overlays that are not directly accountable for delivering sales and having shared compensation doesn't add to growth. It's a -- that investment would be better made somewhere else if you're really focused on growth, and that's what we're looking to do. So look, we haven't set the objectives yet for 2022 and really just given a directional statement at this point that we're going -- 2021 is a trough year for both margin and cash flow. But don't read that to think it's in lieu of growth. This is in support of growth. Growth is our number one objective.

Sanjit Singh
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Appreciate all that, thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from Dan Bergstrom from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.

Matt Hedberg
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Can you guys hear me?

Operator

Yes sir, we can hear you now.

Matt Hedberg
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Yes, this is actually Matt Hedberg. So yes, I guess, Bob, first of all, it's good to hear voice. I was encouraged to hear that you noted renewal rates are strong and improving, which is really good to hear. And I guess, when you sort of -- and I know you're sort of just kind of looking at the review process. But I guess, what gives you confidence that, that can continue into this period of change and focus on growth and margin?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Well, I think it's an indication of the strength of our business. And I think, look, there's a narrative out there right now that's crushing the health and the strength of the business out there, and I think it's misinformed. I think we've got a business here that's very healthy. I think you can see that reflected in the growth in our ARR at 13%. I think you can see it in the fact that we have very strong renewal rates and they're getting better. That's a sign of a very healthy business and a very healthy competitive environment. And I think on the point of competition out there, I would point out that Microsoft is a big partner of ours.

And that -- again, this is a little bit contrary to the narrative right now, but we partner with them because it's a symbiotic relationship to where they see a lot of value in moving Citrix' infrastructure to Azure. It drives a lot of Azure consumption. And it's a good business for us. So in those deals that we're working on, Microsoft as a partner, we monitor the deals. So we have a significant uptick in both the number of deals that we're working on jointly and we also see a significant uptick in the size of those deals that we're working on with Microsoft. So I think there's a lot of metrics here that are very, very encouraging that are inconsistent with the narrative out there.

And I think part of that narrative, I think, is of our own billing because we obviously stumbled in the first couple of quarters this year and missed our reported revenue objectives. And that's the reason why I'm pointing to ARR to say throughout all of that noise, we have really solid double-digit growth in our ARR and all the other metrics would suggest strength in our business are there, [Indecipherable] partnership with Microsoft. If I look at the SaaS growth, if I look at the transition of our existing customers from on-prem to the cloud, these are all, to me, votes of confidence in the business. And making that transition to the Citrix Cloud, some of our biggest and most complicated customers and making that move, to me, that's a tremendous vote of confidence in the Citrix business long term. And that, I think, is part of the reason why we see strong renewal rates.

Matt Hedberg
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Got it. That's helpful. That's helpful, Bob. And then obviously, Citrix is really sort of built upon really enabling flexible work, hybrid work. As you sort of talking to customers maybe more directly in your new role, how do you see that as -- I mean, you noted tailwinds across a lot of your businesses. How important is Citrix in that narrative of sort of post-COVID hybrid work because it always struck me that you guys are -- should be really well positioned to leverage a lot of the learnings since 2020?

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Well, I think it's very important. And in fact, might even be more important. Last year was a mad scramble for a lot of companies. Citrix got a lot of benefit from that, and there was a lot of incremental business that came our way. But there are a lot of different ways companies solved this big problem last year. And I think, over time, people are going to start to realize that remote work has a very big security aspect to it, a very big performance aspect to it, not just a connectivity aspect to it. And I think as remote hybrid work becomes more permanent and not reactive, I think it's going to move more towards the use cases where Citrix actually has strength.

I mean, one of the big advantages of Citrix is our performance levels and the HDX technology that we have in our DDI. I mean, that's something that is orders of magnitude, more performance than any other form of facilitating remote hybrid work. So actually thinking as security becomes a bigger and bigger issue, I think it's going to move more towards complex use cases that require Citrix and also put some of the other alternatives at a disadvantage out there. So this is a secular tailwind that is real, that is going to be there forever. And I think some of the underlying currents also move in Citrix direction as well.

Matt Hedberg
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks Bob, [indecipherable]

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Thank you.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Bob Calderoni, for any closing remarks.

Bob Calderoni
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer at Citrix Systems

Great. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. I just want to leave you with a few final thoughts. As I mentioned in a number of my comments, I feel terrific about the strength of the underlying business. Our progress and the rate and pace, I'm moving to the cloud is all good. It's also good at moving to recurring revenues. It's all going well. And we have good momentum in the overall health of the business reflected in our ARR growth for 2021 growing at nearly 10%. Like every business, there are things we can get better at. I believe we've got an understanding of what they are. We're working on our plans to deliver continued success in 2022 and beyond. And I look forward to sharing those plans with all of you at the next scheduled conference call. So until then, thank you very much.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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