Paya Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 4, 2021

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning,

Speaker 1

and welcome to the Pyatt Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, let me remind everyone today that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements based on our current assumptions, expectations and beliefs, including financial guidance, the growth of Hyatt's business, our objectives and business strategies as well as other forward looking statements. Please refer to the disclosure at the end of the company's earnings press release and Form 8 ks filed with the SEC today for information about forward looking statements that will be made or discussed on this call. All statements made today reflect our current expectations only, that we undertake no obligation to update any statements to reflect the events that will occur after this call. You can learn more about the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from today's discussion in the Risk Factors section of the company's Form 10 ks filed with the SEC on March 8, 2021, and in subsequent periodic reports that the company files with the SEC.

Speaker 1

Also during this call, we will discuss certain non GAAP measures of our performance. GAAP to non GAAP financial reconciliations and supplemental financial information are provided in the earnings press release and the 8 ks filed with the SEC. This call is also available via webcast. You can find all the information I've just described on the Investor Relations section of PIA's website, including a supplemental Q3 2021 presentation. Now joining us on the call today are PAIA's CEO, Jeff Hack in CFO, Glen Ranzulli.

Speaker 1

Following their prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions. With that, let me turn the call over to Jeff.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we review Pia's Q3 2021 financial results and discuss highlights from the quarter. We delivered solid year over year growth across our KPIs. Payment volume grew total revenue grew 22 percent to $63,000,000 led by growth in card and ACH as well as a full quarter's contribution from Paragon. Gross profit grew 26 percent to $33,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA grew 21 percent to 16,300,000 and compared to the same period in 2019, total revenue growth was 25% and adjusted EBITDA growth 34%.

Speaker 2

These results continue to demonstrate the inherent growth and leverage that we see in the business and in the markets and verticals that we serve. Glenn will review the key drivers of performance in the quarter and our full year expectation. I'm now going to review that underpins these financial results and gives us confidence over the medium term. First is our ability to attract and sign new partners and clients. We recently signed some great new software partners and ISVs within our growing B2B vertical.

Speaker 2

Through our recently announced partnership with Paradigm, a leading software company focused on the construction and building industry, we are providing the commerce engine within their core software offering, enabling payment acceptance while enhancing the operational and administrative processes within front and back offices of their clients. We also recently partnered with Encompass Technologies, a leading cloud based distribution ERP provider focused on the beverage industry. Key drivers of our win with Encompass were not only PYA's integrated payments experience and customer support, but also the payment agnostic approach we take. By offering a wide variety of payment types, including ACH, our solutions are able to support and enable growth across a diverse set of ISVs and merchants in industries where payment flexibility is a requirement, not an option. We are currently standing up the partnership and look forward to launching in the coming months.

Speaker 2

I thought it would be useful to reference another partnership while early in its progression that helps to highlight our focus on expanding our addressable market while embedding Paia within large scaled operating platforms on the front end of customer business processes. We recently signed a new partnership with Authia, a leading provider of digital invoicing solutions within the B2B vertical. This partnership allows PAIA to bring our full suite of integrated payment capabilities to OPTAIA's business management software. The combined offering comes pre integrated into Salesforce via Authia's application and can enable ISVs who leverage Salesforce as their front end platform to quickly enable payment functionality, both card and ACH, while expanding payment acceptance through such features as e invoicing and Text to Pay. This happens within the broader sales force ecosystem allowing for reconciliation and reporting that's centralized while giving a holistic and detailed view of all business and payment data for reporting and analytic uses.

Speaker 2

Also worth highlighting are the great results and new customer wins we are seeing within our government vertical. Specifically, through a large existing government software partner, we signed multiple new contracts in the quarter with municipalities located primarily in the Southern United States, including Florida, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas. The momentum we're seeing in our government vertical remains strong and we'll look to continue to invest resources into growing this channel further through both organic and inorganic means. Wins such as these set the stage for PIA's future growth, especially within our integrated solutions business, we believe that software led integrated commerce is the natural progression in the markets and verticals that we serve. And while all of these wins are great to see, it's continuous innovation across our products and solutions that enhances our competitive positioning, expands our addressable market and enables Paya to win.

Speaker 2

Our focus on developing, building and delivering value added enhancements and offerings that our flagship Hyatt Connect solution remains key to our future growth. Notably, we delivered robust e invoicing enhancements to meet the growing needs of our deeply integrated software partners, including our key integrations with Acumatica and Sage. The data we provide our partners and customers, which is a core part of Integrated Payments, is vital to improving customers' back office efficiency. As such, we strengthened the user experience with the release of new customer facing portals and reporting interfaces, providing modern, efficient and useful functionality in order to support our partners and customers as they grow. Our targeted middle market partners demand improved solutions, which enabled the migration of their existing customers onto Pius platform quickly and seamlessly.

Speaker 2

Pius customer import services enable large software partners to migrate to Pius platform with little to no disruption of service, ensuring continuation of payment acceptance, including for a period of days or weeks, PIA provides and supports a seamless implementation experience. This experience is highly valued in today's market and critical to be able to launch partners quickly or transition new partners from legacy providers without disrupting their day to day operations. As you may recall, we recently announced some key additions to PIA's leadership team. Michelle Shepherd joined us recently as our Chief Commercial Officer. In this role, Michelle is focused on the development and execution of forward thinking, vertically tailored customer engagement strategies across sales, marketing and customer success.

Speaker 2

Michelle has a track record of success at high growth vertical software companies in Surety and VertiFor as well as at Gartner, and we're excited to have her at Paia. Additionally, we recently welcomed Balaji Deversetti as our Chief Technology Officer. Balaji is focused on accelerating innovation at Paya through product and platform development, enabling us to extend our leadership within integrated payments. Balaji's deep expertise and track record includes technology leadership in both large scale integrated payments and fast growing digital commerce businesses. Needless to say, we're excited to have both Michelle and Balaji here at Paya leading our efforts to expand distribution of our innovative commerce solutions.

Speaker 2

On capital allocation, our priorities have not changed. We remain focused on organic growth through the continued and ongoing investment into our people and solutions in order to extend our market leadership while expanding our addressable market. Strategic M and A continues to be a top priority for us as well and complement the organic growth profile of the business. Our pipeline of acquisition opportunities remains robust and our teams continue to proactively engage with opportunities across the markets and verticals we serve. In summary, these recent updates demonstrate Hyatt's continued momentum in high growth end markets, coupled with our continued investments in talent and technology to further accelerate our growth.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn it over to Glen to walk you through the financials. Glen? Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone.

Speaker 3

We continue to see good momentum in key parts of the business, specifically within Integrated Solutions and ACH. Total payment volume in the Q3 was $11,100,000,000 an increase of 28% year over year. Card volume grew 14% that ACH volume grew 54% with ACH transactions growing 37%. Much of the momentum we're seeing in the business currently is through our B2B and government verticals across both card and ACH. Total revenue in the quarter was $63,100,000 an increase of 22% versus last year.

Speaker 3

Integrated solutions revenue was $39,700,000 up 31% led by the continued strength in our B2B government verticals combined with the incremental contribution from Paragon. Payment services revenue was $23,400,000 up 9% year over year with ACH revenue growing 24%. In the quarter, we saw 2 primary headwinds that detracted from our otherwise strong revenue growth. 1st, in our healthcare vertical, which as you know is primarily indexed to elective medical procedures, we saw slightly lower than expected payment volume. We attribute the slowdown to the rise of the Delta COVID-nineteen variant in the latter half of Q3 as consumers delayed or deferred elective procedures.

Speaker 3

Second, one of our key partners slightly delayed the implementation and launch of certain solutions in the quarter. This is primarily a timing item we expect to see the implementation move forward in the coming periods. For the quarter, gross profit was $32,600,000 26% year over year with gross margin of 51.7%, expanding 170 basis points from the prior year. Integrated solutions gross profit of $20,100,000 was up 24%, while payment services gross profit of $12,400,000 was up 28%. Specific to the quarter, we saw a certain faster growing integrated solutions partner scale much faster than forecast, which is a great leading indicator for the health of our partners and long term trajectory of our business.

Speaker 3

However, given the higher revenue share component for this high growth partner, particularly as they move into larger revenue share tiers based on volume, it was modestly dilutive to gross margin compared to prior quarter. In addition, a full quarter impact of Paragon had a slight impact to our consolidated gross margin. Our ACH business continued to see strong growth and solid financial performance, which was the primary driver of our large gross margin expansion within our Payment Services segment. ACH continues to be a key differentiator and strength for PAIA. Adjusted operating expenses came in at $16,200,000 we saw a full quarter of operating expenses related to our Paragon acquisition layer in.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was 16,300,000 up 21% versus the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin declined 30 basis points year over year to 25.8%, driven by some accelerated tech investment as well as year over year increase in public company costs, which were not applicable while we were a private company in the Q3 of 2020. Finally, GAAP net loss for the quarter that we have a strong balance sheet. We expect to be in the range of $3,000,000 versus net income of $1,600,000 in the prior year, driven largely by a change in tax method for how our in year tax liabilities accrued. Adjusted net income was $5,500,000 in the quarter.

Speaker 3

Regarding our balance sheet, at the end of the quarter, we had $133,000,000 in cash and $250,000,000 of gross debt with a net leverage ratio slightly below 1.9 times. At the end of the Q3, our total liquidity is approximately $180,000,000 and positions us well as we focus on opportunities to accelerate our growth both through organic and inorganic means. Net cash provided by operating activities in the quarter was approximately $8,000,000 And finally, our share count at the end of the 3rd Additionally, this figure includes 4,600,000 shares that were issued in the Q3 to retire our outstanding public and private warrants. As a result of these actions, we no longer have any public or private warrants in our capital structure and our former public warrants have been delisted from trading. Our supplemental earnings presentation provided this morning contains an updated illustrative walk through of our share count at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 3

Turning to our updated guidance for the full year 2021. We are reaffirming our revenue guidance range of $244,000,000 to $248,000,000 we're also reaffirming our gross profit margin range of 52% to 53%. As we move towards the end of the year, we are refining our full year 2021 adjusted EBITDA expectations to a range of $64,000,000 to $66,000,000 Our updated guidance reflects our current expectations for the balance of the as a final point, we continue to monitor COVID-nineteen developments and the potential impacts it may or may not have on the business for the remainder of the year. That concludes my prepared remarks this morning. I'll turn the call back over to Jeff to close-up the call.

Speaker 3

Jeff?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Glenn. Our results for the quarter continue to reflect the growth we see in the key markets and verticals in which we operate. Through new wins, continued penetration of existing customers, strengthen our ACH capabilities and strategic M and A opportunities we see, we are confident that the growth trajectory at PAIA remains strong and the near term actions we are taking to accelerate innovation while adding exceptional talent will enhance and extend our competitive positioning while expanding our addressable market. With that, operator, we're ready to take questions.

Speaker 4

Thank you. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first question comes from Bob Napoli with William Blair, your line is open.

Operator

Thank you. Good morning. Good morning, Jeff, Glenn, Matt. So just as you look at your business, Jeff, and you think about next 2022 and longer term, what is how do you feel about the momentum in the business, the ability to achieve the targets that you the goals you had set out previously, so how's the momentum? How's your confidence?

Operator

Are you seeing anything, I mean, I called out COVID obviously in elective healthcare, but anything else concerning.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for the question, Bob. Good morning. What I would say is our view hasn't changed. Same strategy, same expectations of ourselves in the business and doing everything we can to accelerate that momentum further, which really boils down to talent and technology.

Speaker 2

So very focused on execution.

Operator

But the momentum in the business, like what's the pipeline look like and has the competitive environment changed? So what's the pipeline, the flow of new business, let's say versus a year ago.

Speaker 2

So we feel good about the pipeline and the competitive environment exists, but very importantly, and I think you appreciate this, the people operate in different segments of the market. And as we've said to all of you before, we are very focused on core avenues like B2B, municipal, middle market business, which is not as competitively intensive, everyone has competition, of course. So we feel good about momentum and we feel good about our competitive hand.

Operator

Thank you. Appreciate it. I'll go back in queue.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from David Begleiter with Evercore ISI, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much and good morning. Could you talk about your outlook for margins both for the Q4 and 2022. You called out some additional public company expense, there's a little bit of margin pressure, given higher revenue payout from a fast growing client, but adjusted OpEx grew 31% year over year, 9 PPT faster than revenue. So how should we think about the outlook for gross and EBITDA margin for 4Q and 2022?

Speaker 3

Hey, David, this is Glen. Thanks for the question. Yes, look, I think just we've said it before, but just another reminder, right? Ex public company costs, we would have been up about high 20s, 27%, 28% in EBITDA for the quarter year over year. So that's part of the reason you're not seeing as much expansion this year, which starts obviously not impacting us as we get into the Q4 from a year over year perspective at least.

Speaker 3

I'll take the margin question in 2 parts. 1, gross margin. Yes, we definitely had some impact this quarter from a large partner, which we've had a lot of success where they continue to, but they hit one of their growth incentive bonuses, which I gave them an incentive payout for this quarter, which was a little higher than we expected. That will even out a little bit as we get into the Q4 and as we look into next year, and then we also had some impact with the full quarter from Paragon this quarter as well. So from a gross margin perspective for Q4, we do see it coming back up a little bit.

Speaker 3

We're not going to call the exact number, obviously, because it's difficult to forecast exactly, but we it will be above kind of where we added, we believe in Q3 here. We do have some also some pricing initiatives and items that hit in the Q4 that give us a little bit of aid there. And you can kind of see it in our guidance as well for the full year from a gross margin perspective. And then yes, from an OpEx and kind of below gross margin, look, we again, the public company costs kind of wash out from a year over year perspective as we get through this quarter. And then, yes, we're obviously, it's a tough environment from a cost perspective that we think about hiring and some of the cost inflation that's out there, we've certainly seen impact, probably not as much impact as some others that play in different spaces, but that comes into account a little bit with us as well.

Speaker 3

And then, yes, we're like Jeff said, right, we're very focused on our medium term objectives from a growth perspective and a lot of that investment comes through technology and sales. We don't see any drastic increases, right, above trend, but at the same time, we're going to put money to work in technology and the go to market side as much as we need to, to keep that top line growth going. So, we're working on our planning for 2022 at the moment, so we're not going to comment too much on that. But from a Q4 perspective, we'll see probably a slight pickup from an OpEx SG and A perspective, but more or less not too much different from where we've been trending the last couple of quarters here.

Speaker 5

Understood. Just to clarify, so when you think about your medium term to long that you see changes in the growth model given the cost inflation that you've called out in terms of hiring and technology costs or is the model intact when we think about 2022?

Speaker 3

Yes. So we speak about go ahead, Jeff.

Speaker 2

Go ahead, Glenn.

Speaker 3

I was I'll quickly say, I think we speak to the current year, right, with our guidance. And then from a medium term perspective, we can speak of it to that way, but we're not going to cover 2022 yet just because we're not done with our planning cycle. And it doesn't really differ from the message I just gave as well.

Speaker 6

Got

Speaker 2

it. Yes. David, it's Jeff. I'll just add this. At this point, our medium term objectives are exactly the same as those that we set out for all of you originally last summer when we were coming out as a public company and then laid out again early in 2021.

Speaker 5

Very clear. Thank you. Just a quick final question. Can you quantify for us the impact on revenue from the delayed onboarding of the new client? I mean, do you have visibility as

Speaker 3

This is Glenn again, David. Happy to give a little color there. Jeff, it's up to you. Do you want to

Speaker 2

Go ahead, Glenn.

Speaker 3

Yes, I was going to say, so we're having success with this partner already. So this is not like a 0 or binary item, right? We're starting to to get some traction with them. They have some different instances of their installed base from a software perspective, different versions, right? So we continue to work through the various versions of their installed base that they have out there, right.

Speaker 3

So there's one that we continue to work on with them, continue to have great relationship and moving the item forward, but some of these projects take a little bit longer than you'd hope. This one specifically is on the government side, which you have the partner component from an integration standpoint, but then you have also the merchant component as far as the municipality itself. So yes, to answer your question, certainly had some impact this quarter. But at the end of the day, the relationship is strong. The path is still there.

Speaker 3

We're not going to comment like specifics as far as the dollars, but it did have some impact in the quarter and we do see it as a positive item as we look for the next few quarters, as far as layering that in. But Jeff, I'm not sure if you had other comments tied to that.

Speaker 2

No, David, I would just add the following is signing large terrific new partners it takes a lot of work to get them to full strength. And if it takes and I've said this before, if it takes a few months longer to get full stride, that's okay, because once you have them, they and the underlying customers are with you for an incredibly long time.

Speaker 5

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Our next question comes from Davis with Raymond James, your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Hey, good morning, guys. Just wondering if you could call out the rev impacts from TPG and Paragon in the Q3.

Speaker 3

Hey, J. D, this is Glenn. What I'll say just broadly, our revenue top line growth was about 12% organic. So that will give you a sense of the impact on those 2.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. That leads into my next question. So obviously, I think you called out some impacts from Delta, especially the lung health care that caused organic growth to decelerate. But I think the guide would assume that we do see a pickup in organic growth in the Q4 and I just wanted to confirm that. And also maybe any comments on seasonality of your business.

Speaker 7

I think the way shaping up's 4Q is going to be higher, slightly on a dollar basis for revenue versus 3Q and just want to understand make sure that's correct and maybe any seasonality we should think about 3Q to 4Q in your business.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, I'll take that one first. And yes, so from a Q4 perspective, we should see a slight tick up sequentially in the quarter. Some of that is just how we end the year, but also we do have some pricing initiatives that we do, I think as you're aware, right, twice a year, of which one of those actions happens in the Q4. So we'll see a slight tick up in the Q4.

Speaker 3

But we're I think the message on the guidance is we feel comfortable kind of the midpoint of the revenue guidance for the year and same from a gross margin perspective.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then just on the gross margins, you talked you hit on the kind of the decline in the integrated margins, but that at the same time, you saw a nice pickup in the Payment Services margins on gross margin basis. So just is that sustainable going forward? Should we kind of expect payment services to be a little bit higher than it was before and integrated a little bit lower? I think that was the highest, 53 percent, I think it's the highest it's ever been, in Payment Services.

Speaker 7

So just any color there would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. So yes, no, I mean the payment services gross margin we think is sustaining at or around those levels. So I don't know if it accelerates from here, but we feel good about the level that it's currently around. And yes, from an integrated perspective, I think that will again, tough to call each quarter to quarter, but we feel good that we to see a tick up from kind of where it ended in Q3 to Q4 from an integrated perspective.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then just two quick last ones, a bigger picture. For Jeff, first, are you and or any of your partners seeing any issues from a supply chain perspective. We've heard some issues from some of your peers potentially going into next year. So just curious to comment there and then maybe Jeff, just talk a little bit about the acquisition pipeline from a where you focus, are valuations starting to rationalize?

Speaker 7

Like what's the biggest, I want to call it hang up, what's the biggest hurdle at this point to kind of being a little bit more active on the M and A front? Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Great. Good morning, J. D. This is Jeff. So first on supply chain, I would say we have observed anecdotes, that nothing that we would say defines a pattern, so not much to add there.

Speaker 2

In terms of the acquisition pipeline, a couple of things. 1, the pipeline is strong, deals in various stages from early cultivation to later conversations, as always. Our criteria and our objectives are exactly the same if they deepen us into existing verticals and subverticals with differentiated distribution or proprietary technology, that's great, adjacent verticals and anything that widens or broadens the value chain. In terms of your comment about valuations, certainly there have been examples of that, but I would not call that a broad based pattern either. And if there's any impact on our thinking on the margin, there are probably a few areas where we might choose to build out certain proprietary technology features, whereas maybe we would have acquired them before if the valuations in a particular category do not meet our criteria.

Speaker 7

All right. I appreciate all the color. Thanks guys.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tim Chiodo with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks a lot for taking the question. Mine is on retention. So when we just think about the growth algorithm, part of that is clearly that same store sales or retention type of metric. And you did say that in the slides that volume retention is at about 95%.

Speaker 7

Actually, I think it's a little bit of

Speaker 8

a slight uptick from the last time you disclosed that metric, not a big one, but it did go in the right direction. And I was just curious, what's the timeframe around that metric or if there's any just general context you can talk around your volume retention and then a quick follow-up on next year's seasonality, which we can touch on.

Speaker 2

Yes. Good morning, Tim. Hey, good morning, Tim. Sorry. So Tim, as you kindly pointed out, our retention numbers are terrific.

Speaker 2

And while they might move a tiny bit up or down in any given time period, we see that obviously as a key part of the growth algorithm. Once you have great partners and great end customers leveraging our integrated solutions, it's very sticky, it's very price insensitive, and it is core to the business. In general, we think these are great KPIs and intend to maintain them and perhaps find ways on the margin to improve them further.

Operator

Okay,

Speaker 8

excellent. In terms of the time period though, go ahead please.

Speaker 3

I was just going to comment on the 95%. The time period is typically it's about a year. So we look at a 12 month from a 12 month rolling perspective. And look, I think the attrition for us is pretty stable, right? It doesn't really move too much from a year over year perspective, which is part of the strength of our business, right, integrated, we're running a little bit from a net volume perspective over the 95% at the moment.

Speaker 3

But what we're trying to do is normalize for same store, right? So we're not trying to take any kind of a benefit from any kind of outsized So yes, retention is running well from a net perspective. And obviously, that's the volume number with pricing and initiatives you get much above that number from a revenue retention perspective. And then you had another question.

Speaker 8

That, yes, it's a and fully respect that this is not the time that you're giving 2022 guidance. But as we look at our models, I know that there were some moving parts this year, last year and also with different ramping of clients. Would you be able to just give an overview again of what the expected seasonality would be from an absolute volume and revenue basis across Q1 to Q4 next year, not the numbers, but just kind of directionally.

Speaker 3

Yes. Look, what we've said in the past and you've seen our number. Q1 is typically our lowest quarter, constant dollars, if you were looking at it that way. And then Q2 tends to bump up and then Q3 tends to be about the same as Q2, sometimes slightly below, just because of the summer period. And then we get a little bit of a slight ramp from Q3 to Q4 typically.

Speaker 3

That's again constant dollars with no sequential growth assume.

Speaker 8

Okay, excellent. And then from there, we kind of think about this delayed implementation a little bit and how that might impact Q1, etcetera. That's really helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Peter Heckmann with D. A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Glenn, on the unusual tax item in the quarter,

Speaker 9

you referenced that in the prepared remarks, if not, what was that about and it doesn't appear that you added it back in the pro form a net income.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, thanks for the question. Yes. So from a tax perspective, there's 2 methodologies that you can calculate your tax provision on. 1 is a kind of forecasted methodology, which we were using in the first half of the year and then we moved to a year to date methodology in Q3 just because we thought it was a little more accurate than the forecasted method, and that was the larger adjustment this quarter kind of to get to that year to date method for 2021.

Speaker 3

So when you think about it, it's right to look at that year to date amount versus the quarterly. I think that's probably the more accurate way to look at the tax expense for the current year 2021. And then for Q4 tax expense, we should be probably a little bit under 1,000,000 in tax expense, and that will give you a sense for the tax impact for the full year.

Speaker 9

Okay. That's helpful. And then just going back to Paragon, and it certainly look like the acquisitions contributed a little bit more on a revenue perspective. And when we think about Paragon and their ramp and their integration, do we still expect that they can bump up to maybe 25% or so adjusted EBITDA margins and contribute more meaningfully to overall EBITDA next year.

Speaker 2

Yes. So, good morning, Pete. It's Jeff. I would say the answer is yes. We are very pleased with the pace of the Paragon integration.

Speaker 2

And in terms of existing customers, growth of existing customers, pipeline of new customers. In terms of attribution, because Paragon has become such an integral part of our integrated solutions business, it will be harder to measure it in isolation, but we feel great about the acquisition. That we feel great about it meeting our financial and strategic objectives. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Andrew Dree with Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning guys. Appreciate you taking the question, kind of lots of moving parts here in your business. Encouraging to hear about the momentum in B2B, Jeff, timing notwithstanding on a big customer, but I wonder if you can just speak to specific vertical markets, it sounds like maybe construction and manufacturing that are strong. And I wonder what the implications are going forward for mix. So we're going to see this sort of continued elevated rate of ACH growth recognizing that you signed a big customer at the end of last year.

Speaker 10

And I think we know what that means for yield, but it suggests that maybe gross margin could trend sort of all else equal in the right direction, I'm just trying to think about as B2B grows fast, what that means overall for the kind of profitability profile of your business?

Speaker 2

Good morning, Andrew. It's Jeff. Thanks for the question. A couple of things. First of all, we manage to the attractive growth momentum of each of the categories you outlined.

Speaker 2

So whether it's B2B and manufacturing, distribution, logistics, supply chain and so on, so we don't spend a lot of time on mix understand you guys want to model it and understand sensitivity, but it is how we maximize the growth of all of these key categories, specifically the B2B categories that I just mentioned are very attractive for what we do and the level of awareness and understanding of power of integrated payments inside of business software continues to build, some of that obviously thanks to COVID and distributed workforce. ACH more broadly, we are very pleased with the momentum we see there. And importantly, it is becoming far more common for it to operate alongside, typically commercial card, virtual card, etcetera, as a companion to expand the penetration into larger ticket transactions. So both are key growth levers for this business. And I think the big call out on ACH is that a lot of it comes alongside card, not instead of card, to maximize the growth of the TAM.

Speaker 10

Okay. So I guess over time, we might expect B2B gravitate more toward card, but it sounds like today it's still an ACH centric remittance business. Is that a reasonable characterization?

Speaker 2

No. So Andrew, I would say it differently. It's not about that displacing one another, there is great underlying growth in the category and it is very common for cards for the smaller transactions think 100 of dollars, ACH for larger tickets think 1,000 of dollars. So they operate in tandem in penetrating and maximizing the growth of the category rather than toggling between them. And importantly, at Paya, we've made big investments both technically and commercially, single underwriting, common boarding, unified reporting.

Speaker 2

So, you should expect, we believe, further to be a much higher prevalence of people who are accepting both payment methods alongside one another. All

Speaker 10

right. That's Super helpful. Thank you. And then as I think about Paya Connect and some of your investments, is that more of a, do you think a new business driver in terms of how you differentiate for your ISV partners in vertical markets, or can it also ultimately be a yield enhancer for you as you drive greater connect to some of that functionality. I think you mentioned e invoicing in particular this quarter.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, Andrew, great question. So first of all, Piatt Connect, absolutely a driver of winning new business. It's modern, flexible, cloud based and then very importantly, vertically tailored. So those very important words that I have said many times before so that you can tailor the experience to the specific use cases in different vertical segments.

Speaker 2

So it is core to the value prop. In terms of being a yield enhancer, what I would say is, I'm not talking about the firm wide yield as a whole, but in terms of maximizing your growth, maximizing your value prop, enhanced reporting, the capability to leverage data and analytics are all part of the value prop. And obviously, the stronger your value prop, the more you're able to price for that. So we think of that frankly as the foundation of the value prop.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Joseph Vafi with Canaccord. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. Good morning. Just a few more follow ups here. Most already been a lot of good questions here, but I know you mentioned a partner in the Southeast in public services where there's some good traction. If you look at other parts of the country, is that ISV working in those other sections of the country or that you probably be looking for other partners in other parts of the country relative to public service.

Speaker 6

And then I have a couple of follow ups.

Speaker 2

Yes. Good morning, Joseph. So the partner you're referring to does serve municipalities nationwide, so obviously that is a great partner for Paya. We are obviously always talking to other partners, who may focus on different segments of the market, broader different geographies, etcetera. So it's an and not an or.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then Jeff, I know you mentioned your ability to turn on payments without for some of your partners' apps not to kind of bringing the app down for any period of time our eliminating payment functionality, how competitive advantage do you think that is In the marketplace, Dave, it sounds like a pretty good capability.

Speaker 2

Yes. Great question. So first of all, obviously, we're very proud of that. An important call out is that is not just a technical capability, which in and of itself is hard to accomplish, but it is also the operational maturity of the business to support the client through that migration and we view that as a key differentiator at Paya and I think to be candid sometimes often overlooked. And so as some of the existing integrated payments relationships explore more modern alternatives to legacy providers, this capability, I believe, will become even more important and more differentiated for companies like PAIA.

Speaker 6

Great. And then I know you called out one of your partners who's integrated into sales force. If you look across your kind of Partner network at this point, how often do you see a partner that's integrated into another much, much larger ISV and the potential for you to get that kind of extra boost in distribution through that extra distribution layer. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2

Yes, no, thanks. Great question. I think you described our strategy perfectly. We are getting more at bats. We are getting bigger at bats.

Speaker 2

As you know, more integrations to offer your customers is better. And there is also a flywheel effect here because as you add these integrations, and you have widened your scope of capabilities, you get more at bat, which leverage the investments you've already made and are tools to help you grow even faster. Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Joseph.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Rundle with Northland Curtis, your line is open.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, guys. Just a quick question. It sounds like you have a new leader in sales. Any other adjustments or expansion of the sales force to call out?

Speaker 2

Yes, great question. This is Jeff. So we one of the things I am most proud of is our ability to attract some incredible talent and leaders to this company to help us accelerate our growth even further. So broadly speaking, I discussed Michelle and Balaji on the call. As you can imagine, your go to market and your technical innovation are the foundation of this business.

Speaker 2

Beyond that, we are always looking that we're very pleased with our growth, but I wouldn't point to any one area and say that is the next big item. We are always looking for great talent to support the growth in all areas of the business.

Operator

Fair. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Josh Siegal with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Firstly, how did average ticket size trend in 3Q and what are your expectations as we move into 4Q?

Speaker 3

Yes. So average ticket sizes overall has trended up the last few years, few quarters. So we've seen a positive trend there and we'll continue I think 2 parts there. 1 is or a few parts, ACH is 1. So the ACH growth typically is at a higher ticket.

Speaker 3

And then we've seen good just macro growth and same store growth as well. Some of that's just the general economic environment. And from an inflationary perspective, us and others that have their revenue model based off spread benefit from that. So yes, we've seen a good trend there, really last few years and don't think that's going to change as we look out.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks for the color there.

Speaker 3

And then what are some

Speaker 11

of the driving factors that would make you feel more comfortable to hit kind of the high end of guidance right now?

Speaker 3

That's a good question. It's one of those things where the vertical matters, right? We talked about the healthcare item in Q3, right? So we'll see where that settles out in the quarter, too early to tell at the moment, that obviously always could provide some upside. When we spoke about some of those delayed implementations, turning those on really make a difference.

Speaker 3

So when those go live, it really helps. So there could be some upside there. And then yes, we'll see kind of what the macro environment does for the quarter, right? October, no surprises to date, which is good, that we'll see where we settle in for the rest of the in the next 2 months as we exit the year.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you very

Speaker 2

much.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from James Fok with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Thank you very much. I wanted to go back to a question. I think you kind of addressed it, but I missed your answer to be honest or what you said was how you're looking at the acquisition landscape. You guys have always been really good at finding deals, but there's been a lot of obviously volatility both in terms of valuation and lots of capital coming into the market generally. So what are you thinking about in terms of pipeline and ability to convert, etcetera?

Speaker 2

Yes, good morning, James. Very important question. So our view of the And by landscape, I mean, the kinds of companies that we are interested in bringing into Paya has not changed at all. And we feel good about our pipeline. We continue to get better at kind of broadening that pipeline.

Speaker 2

And remember some relationships and deals come very quickly, others are ones you nurture over a period of time. So broadly speaking, we feel very good and we are very focused on that as we should be. To the comment on valuations, I'll reiterate something I said earlier, which is very important, is a few examples of head scratchers, but nothing that I would declare a pattern. It's obviously undeniable that there's been a lot of capital drawn that we're going to continue to see the growth of our business. And I think we would all appreciate that's because these are great growth categories.

Speaker 2

So it's not a surprise that capital is being drawn there. But broadly speaking, we feel good about our ability to get deals done at valuations that are accretive to PAIA financially and of course, strategically. And then finally on the margin, there are probably a few categories where if the valuations are unreasonable, we will choose some incremental building of technology features, to fill those needs, whereas we might have otherwise purchase those capabilities and one of the beauties of the strong financial position that PIE is in is that we can do both.

Speaker 12

Got it, got it. And then more broadly around capital allocation, are acquisitions what you think should be your primary use of capital right now or are you looking at other uses potentially kind of how you're thinking about that more generally?

Speaker 2

Yes, James, I'm glad you asked. I want to reiterate this. Our capital allocation framework has not changed. Our 2 primary capital allocation priorities are investments in the organic growth of this business that typically boils down to people and or technology, that is unchanged and we will drive all what we believe to be high ROI investments in the organic business and we will do that enthusiastically. The companion to that, as you pointed out, is M and A and we view that also as a core part of the growth strategy of PAIA.

Speaker 2

We are very proud of the success of the deals we have done today. I would characterize us as disciplined but enthusiastic buyers.

Speaker 12

Got it, got it. That's great. Thanks for your time this morning. Thank

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Bob Napoli with William Blair. Your line is open.

Operator

Hi, thanks for the follow-up. Christ, you guys called out Paradigm during the quarter as a partner, I was hoping maybe to get some color just maybe what the average customer can bring in revenue, like what the mix is? Do you have some customers that bring,

Speaker 8

I don't know, dollars 500,000 a year

Operator

in revenue and what's the average? Like when we see you doing partnerships and adding customers, how should we think about that is affecting the growth of the company?

Speaker 2

Yes. Bob, that's a great question. So let me try to boil it down simply is new partnerships come in all shapes and sizes. So you can have an up and comer software partner who is on their own growth trajectory and the early revenue contribution of that partner may not be as large, but you like what they offer and what their growth trajectory is, the other end of the spectrum are larger established players. In that case, we may or may not be their 1st integration partner.

Speaker 2

If we are not their 1st integration partner, that business is more predictable and knowable and can come on faster. And then there are a lot of partners in the middle. So we don't manage to average partner size, we continue to get better and better at understanding the power and potential of partnerships of different sizes, and we pursue them with relatively equal enthusiasm.

Operator

Thanks. Is there any feel you could give for like some companies will give like we have 8 customers with over $1,000,000 in revenue per year that something like that. It would give us just give us some feel for

Speaker 2

Yes. So Bob, let us give some thought to some incremental disclosure on that point, but nothing we specify at this point.

Operator

Okay. Like number of customers or so we could come up with that would be I think would be really appreciated to be helpful. Yes.

Speaker 2

Listen, I'll give you the broader point, as you know, is we talk about over 100,000 end businesses, sometimes known as merchants, who are leveraging our integrated payments capabilities across a strong roster of partners. That that is a number that we communicate and probably should update from time to time.

Operator

Okay. Thank you. Last question, 12% organic growth in the quarter and I know the focus is obviously accelerating growth and you're bringing in more sales talent, but what does it take to accelerate the organic growth rate from current levels and how confident are you that you could do that?

Speaker 2

So what does it take? It takes a little bit of everything. So obviously, having the right salespeople supported by a great marketing engine and terrific, what I'll call, technical solutions talent, those are all foundational and are all categories ripe for continuous improvement. And our intention as you just pointed out is to pull all of those levers to continue to notch up the top line growth profile of the business.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Super Bowl.

Operator

All right, got it.

Speaker 4

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jeff Hack for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you, operator. Thanks everybody for joining us this quarter. I think you can hear from the dialogue and the color. We are very pleased with the progress Paia is making and we look forward to continuing the dialogue with all of you.

Speaker 2

So thanks and have a great day.

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