MDA Space Q2 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 11, 2021

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Colin, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the MDA Q2 twenty twenty one Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.

Operator

Thank you. Amy McLeod, Vice President of Corporate Communications, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Colin. Welcome to MDA's Q2 twenty twenty one analyst call. Mike Greenlee, our Chief Executive Officer and Vito Clamoni, our Chief Financial Officer, will lead this evening's call and share some prepared remarks before taking questions. The Q2 earnings release and financial information referenced on this call are accessible on the Investor page of our website as well as in the interim financial statements and the MD and A for Q2 filed today on SEDAR. These should aid in your understanding of MD and A's financial results.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, I would like to remind you that today's call will include estimates and other forward looking information, which may differ from actual results. Please review the cautionary language in today's press release and our other public filings regarding various factors, assumptions and risks that could cause actual results to differ. In addition, during this call, we will refer to certain non IFRS financial measures. Although we believe these measures provide useful supplemental information about our financial performance, these measures do not have any standardized meaning under IFRS and our approach in calculating these measures may differ from others and therefore may not be directly comparable. Please see the company's quarterly report and our other public filings for more information, including reconciliations to the nearest IFRS measures.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Mike.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Amy, and thank you to those joining us this evening to discuss our Q2 twenty twenty one financial results. I will start by simply saying that Q2 was a solid quarter for MDA with steady progress and momentum across the business in all of our three in all of our flagship programs. With our IPO successfully completed very early in the quarter, we were able to hit the ground running in Q2 and turn our full focus to program and operational execution. With double digit revenue growth, gross margin improvements and robust adjusted EBITDA performance of 31%, I'm happy to report that in Q2 we hit our stride. Before we get into more detailed quarterly updates, I want to spend a minute talking about what we saw happening in the broader space market in the quarter and what it means to our ability to create long term value for MDA shareholders.

Speaker 2

In Q2 according to Space Capital, investment in space continued to increase with US4.5 billion dollars of new capital, a record level, flowing into space infrastructure companies focused on satellites, ground infrastructure and launch among other things. With a number of pending SPAC transaction expected to add billions in additional investment in the second half of the year, 2021 is shaping up to be another record year for investment in space for the fourth year in a row. This level of investment is effectively opening the funding tap for new missions and is a direct indicator of downstream market opportunity for MDA. Our customers' programs are capital intensive by nature and the level of investment we are seeing means they can move forward with key projects. As a company that provides advanced technologies that enables those programs, it is also building MDA's opportunity pipeline.

Speaker 2

While we are fully focused on program and operational execution, we are clearly also keeping an eye on the market and on the future. As we discussed during the IPO, we will make disciplined investments in strategic and affordable opportunities we feel bring value to MDA and to our shareholders. As an example, in the second quarter, we made a $6,000,000 investment in Sarafim Space Investment Trust, a UK based venture capital firm with investments in a portfolio of space companies. Our small but strategic position enables MDA to more closely identify and track the global pipeline of space startups, which can potentially be leveraged into our own ecosystem and supply chain. It also provides early insight of potential future investment opportunities.

Speaker 2

I'm looking forward to joining their advisory board as we move forward. With all that as context, we entered the second half of the year extremely positive about our ability to create long term value for MDA shareholders. Turning to our focus, the execution of our flagship programs, our three big rocks as we call them. I'm pleased to report that in the second quarter we saw steady progress on all three of our priority programs. With Telesat Lightspeed, Canadarm3 and the Canadian Surface Combatant or CSC programs all under initial contracts with us, in Q2, our teams made significant progress on next phase contract definition and negotiations.

Speaker 2

With this front end work well underway, we are ready to take the elevator up to the next level with additional contract awards expected in the second half and leading into the new year. Speaking to specific program status, on Canadarm3 in July post quarter end, we finalized a $35,000,000 contract with the Canadian Space Agency for the design of the Gateway External Robotic Interfaces also called JERI, a key component of the multiyear, multi phase Canadarm3 program, which will be installed on the International Lunar Gateway. Earlier this year, MDA completed Phase A, the system definition phase of the JERI project. The new contract covers phases B and C, which includes preliminary and detailed design of the robotic interfaces. Further options on this contract will include the development and manufacturing phase of this program.

Speaker 2

On Telesat Lightspeed, we continue to see steady progress with program funding activity heating up over the summer. Last week, Telesat and the province of Ontario announced a 109,000,000 partnership agreement that will result in a dedicated Telesat Lightspeed capacity pool to expand high speed Internet and LTE five gs networks to Ontario's unserved and underserved communities. Telesat Lightspeed is the only LEO network capable of delivering multiple gigabytes per second of broadband capacity into Ontario's remote communities enabling a wide range of affordable high speed broadband and data services as well as next generation five gs wireless services. On Canadian Surface Combatant, work on the requirements analysis phase of the program is well advanced and the team is driving hard to finalizing a number of the electronic warfare suite sensor production contracts over the coming weeks and months. We look forward to updating the market further as these next phases of the flagship program contracts are finalized.

Speaker 2

In addition to our key programs, in the second quarter, our business development teams continue to leverage our world class portfolio of products and services to meet the needs of a broad range of new and existing government and commercial customers. In our satellite systems business, in Q2 we secured a series of important new contracts, including significant contracts with Airbus to provide antenna subsystems on Airbus' OneSat digital software defined satellite product line signing the contract for the provision of LEO antenna products for space development agencies Wagfield of View Tracking Trans Zero with L3Harris Technologies and Lockheed Martin. We were also awarded a contract to design and build the X band antenna for the space weather follow on Lagrange one also known as the SWFO L1 program. This spacecraft by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center is an operational mission for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Space Weather Prediction Center that will collect solar wind data and coronal imagery to monitor and forecast solar storm activity. MDA satellite systems continues to leverage our antenna systems expertise and heritage to not only meet the demands of our traditional commercial customers like Airbus and others, but also to penetrate The growing U.

Speaker 2

S. Government market for both Department of Defense Space Security as well as NASA on the civilian side. In our Robotics and Space Operations business, MDA is benefiting from a heightened level of global activity in space exploration and business resulting from increased activity on the various lunar programs. Related to this lunar program activity, in the second quarter, we received a contract for an early stage study from the European Space Agency, which is developing a comprehensive satellite communication system to provide coverage for the entire lunar ecosystem as part of their moonlight program. Once completed, the moonlight system will provide communication connectivity between the Artemis lunar space station, Earth and the lunar surface.

Speaker 2

It will also connect a data relay satellite orbiting the moon with Artemis, the lunar surface and potentially extend to Earth. In conjunction with the Moonlite System, MDA also received a separate satellite subsystems contract for the Lunar Pathfinder mission, a supporting mission to launch the first commercial lunar data relay satellite that will orbit around the moon beginning in 2024. In our Geo Intelligence business, the team secured additional contracts for Earth Observation Imagery and Analytics Services, Geospatial Solutions and Defense Information Solutions from several existing customers, including the Canadian Space Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration among others. These customer contract extensions highlight the attractive recurring revenue opportunity associated with our GeoIntelligence services. We are looking forward to hosting our MDA Earth Insights customer conference at the September, where we'll be discussing our plans for SAR NEXT among our other Earth observation solutions and services with a wide range of our customers.

Speaker 2

I also want to take this opportunity to give a shout out to our Geo Intelligence team, who along with our customer Asia Pulp and Paper received a Project of the Year Award and Judge's Choice Award from the Environment and Energy Leader magazine for their innovative use of satellite imagery to monitor APP's protected forest areas and reduce deforestation. Since 2016, APP has counted on MDA's Radarsat two Forest Alert Service to track and detect subtle changes narrowed down to just a few trees in their conservation forests. MDA alerts enable ADP to quickly identify forested areas where change is occurring from either natural causes, illegal logging or encroachment and to stop or mitigate the activity. I'm very proud of our ability to apply MDA space based technology to tackle some of the serious challenges facing the planet. Turning to business operations.

Speaker 2

In the second quarter, we continue to take strategic steps to structure the business to scale. During the quarter, we used proceeds from the IPO to pay down debt and significantly deleverage. We also put in place a healthy and attractive revolver, giving us future funding flexibility to invest and grow. Vito will walk us through those transactions in greater detail shortly. Also key to our growth is our ability to attract and retain the right talent.

Speaker 2

As we look to further entrench MDA not only as Canada's leading space technology company, but as a growing global leader, we are on a constant hunt to find the best and brightest to join our mission. In June, with our partners from the Canadian Space Agency, we hosted our largest recruiting event ever with more than 800 enthusiastic and ambitious attendees. During a series of virtual briefings, one on one chats and live presentations by Canadian astronaut, Jeremy Hansen, MDA's very own astronaut, Tim Kopra, myself and many others, we told the story of our mission and purpose to a new generation. Since the beginning of the year, we have hired more than four thirty five new employees. This compares to three fifty in all of 2020 and we're clearly not done yet in 2021.

Speaker 2

I want to thank all of our hiring managers and talent acquisition teams who have been working nonstop this year to recruit, hire and onboard new talent. With COVID finally starting to release its grip, we are also slowly and safely hitting the road to reconnect face to face. I was happy to get back into our operations in Montreal and Vancouver this summer to meet with the teams and talk about how they are doing and what they are doing on our major programs. Beginning this month and through the fall, I will also be heading out to reengage with the broader international industry at key events including the National Space Symposium in Colorado, Satellite twenty one in Maryland, an International Astrological Conference in Dubai and the WorkSatellite Business Conference in Paris. In summary, we are pleased with our second quarter performance.

Speaker 2

The company is fully focused on executing at the operational level and we are seeing the results of that focus. We continue to make good progress in bringing our backlog to contracts and we enter the second half of the year confident in our 2022 revenue forecast. With that, I'll hand it over to Vito to walk us through the detailed financials.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mike, and good evening, everyone. As you all know, this is our second quarterly results call since we went public in April of this year. And I'm excited to be here and share our Q2 results with you. Before I dive into the results, a couple of quick housekeeping items. As you're all aware, on April seven of this year, MDA completed its initial public offering where MDA issued 28,571,500 common shares at a price of $14 per common share for total gross proceeds of $400,000,000 Following the closing of the initial offering on April 14, the overallotment option granted to the underwriters for an additional 4,285,725 common shares at $14 per share was fully exercised, generating additional gross proceeds of $60,000,000 In Q2, we leveraged a substantial portion of the net proceeds to repay $419,000,000 of debt under our term loan facility significantly strengthening our balance sheet.

Speaker 3

More on that in a few minutes. The second item is a quick reminder that since the company commenced operations through the sale of from Maxar to Northern Private Capital on 04/08/2020, the interim condensed consolidated financial statements other than the balance sheet include comparative information for the period from 04/08/2020 to 06/30/2020. In an effort of course to continue to provide as much context as possible to our financial results, we have continued to provide constructed Q2 and year to date 2020 carve out results and all of our commentary is full for the full comparative quarter. Of course, as we move out into Q3 and Q4, the financial statements themselves will provide clean prior year comparatives. Okay.

Speaker 3

Let's turn to our Q2 results. And as Mike has already commented, a really solid set of results to build on a solid set of results also in Q1. The total revenue for the three month period ended 06/30/2021 was $126,700,000 This is an increase of 15.5% over Q2 twenty twenty and further represents our third consecutive quarter over quarter increase in revenue. On a year to date basis, total revenue is $250,100,000 compared to $212,900,000 for the same period in 2020, growing at 17.5%. In Q2, we've seen revenue growth in all three of our businesses, both on a quarter over quarter basis and on a year to date basis as compared to 2020.

Speaker 3

In Geo Intelligence, our revenue was $48,200,000 for the quarter, up 2.3% over Q2 of twenty twenty. For the year to date period, our Geo Intelligence revenue was $97,200,000 which is a 6.5% increase over Q2 of year to date 2020. This growth is due to higher volume of satellite imagery and analytics services. In robotics and space operations, revenue was $35,600,000 which is a 10.6% increase over prior year Q2. On a year to date basis, our robotics and space operations group revenue is $69,900,000 resulting in growth of 19.9% compared to the same quarter in the prior year.

Speaker 3

A large portion of this growth is revenue generated from startup activity on the Canada Arm three program. Turning to satellite systems. Satellite systems revenue continues to see strong growth on both the quarter and year to date. In Q2, satellite systems generated revenue of $42,900,000 which is an impressive 41.1% increase over Q2 of twenty twenty. And the same is true on a year to date basis where satellite systems is seeing growth over the first six months of twenty twenty of 31.1% with revenue year to date of $83,000,000 This growth is attributable to higher volumes stemming from new program awards in the back half of twenty twenty and the restart of one web program in first half of twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3

Our backlog at the end of Q2 twenty twenty one was $640,100,000 up $77,600,000 since the end of twenty twenty. We expect to see backlog continue to build as we solidify orders against the awarded flagship programs. And accordingly, as Mike has already alluded to, our current 2022 revenue guidance remains intact at $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 Moving on to gross margin results. Gross margin represents our revenue less cost of revenue, which include materials, labor, overhead, shred credits and depreciation. For Q2, our gross margin was $44,600,000 versus $35,000,000 in Q2 of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3

And for the quarter, this translated into a gross margin percentage of 35.2% versus 31.9% in Q2 of twenty twenty. The year to date results for gross margin are $83,000,000 with a 33.2% gross margin percentage versus $58,200,000 in the prior year and a corresponding 27.3 percent gross margin. Both the quarter and year to date improvements over prior year are due to increased volume and improved program performance over 2020. We do expect continued robust gross margin performance in the back half of twenty twenty one, although the 35% gross margin achievement in Q2 likely represents a high watermark for us in 2021. Q2 operating expenses were $33,500,000 compared to $31,300,000 in Q2 of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3

And on a year to date basis, our operating expenses are $67,100,000 compared to $48,600,000 for the six month period in 2020. This increase on a year to date basis is primarily due to an additional quarter of amortization of intangible assets resulting from the April 2020 acquisition of MDA by Northern Private Capital and increased share based compensation expenses following the introduction of a new stock option plan with commencement of grants awarded in Q4 of twenty twenty. Adjusted EBITDA in Q2 was $39,400,000 This is $5,200,000 lower than our Q2 twenty twenty levels. And this reduction is entirely reflective of lower Canada wage subsidy program income on a year over year basis, offset substantially by stronger operating income. In the current quarter, we recorded $4,800,000 in SUS as compared to $22,000,000 in the same quarter previous year.

Speaker 3

This reduction in SUS reflects the ongoing changes in the program and our improved financial performance. On a year to date basis, adjusted EBITDA was $78,500,000 up from the 2020 levels of $61,800,000 Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue year to date was 31.4% compared to 29% year to date 2020. And if we exclude the impact of SUSE altogether, our year to date 2021 EBITDA margin is 25.4%, a meaningful increase over the 18.7% year to date 2020 and reflected again of the strong improvement in our operating income. Let's turn to some important cash flow metrics for us. We are pleased in Q2 with our cash from operating activities of $33,400,000 This again is largely driven by our strong operating performance and strong collections of accounts receivable and overall working capital management, a key area of focus for us.

Speaker 3

In terms of capital spend, our Q2 capital spend aggregated to $17,200,000 and reflect the early and expected ramp up of our growth CapEx investments supporting our key strategic growth initiatives, including our SAR NEXT program, which is our next generation commercial EO satellite and Telesat Lightspeed, this Telesat LEO constellation program. As we move into the back half of 2021, we will continue to lean heavily into the advancement of these growth capital expenditure investments and our rate of spend will accelerate. That provides a perfect segue into our refinancing and strength of our balance sheet. As I alluded to in my opening comments, we use the net proceeds from the IPO to repay four nineteen million dollars of outstanding principal under our term loan facility. And further, we also successfully converted our $80,000,000 revolving credit facility and our $435,000,000 term loan facility to a $450,000,000 undrawn reduce in revolver.

Speaker 3

With all of this, we ended the quarter with minimal net debt of $31,000,000 comprised of $119,000,000 in cash and $150,000,000 in second lien notes and further $432,000,000 of available liquidity as at the end of the quarter. Coupled with a business that generates operating cash flow, the undrawn revolving credit facility preserves sufficient liquidity to fund our future growth CapEx, it provides maximum borrowing flexibility and offers more favorable pricing. We were quite pleased to receive the significant support of our lending syndicate in this refinancing, which demonstrates the confidence in the strength of MDA's strategic growth plan. Please also note that our finance expenses in Q2 include a charge of $5,400,000 representing the accelerated amortization of deferred financing costs in respect to the refinancing. In closing, we are quite pleased with how the first half of the year has unfolded for us.

Speaker 3

We saw strong results across all key financial metrics and we remain laser focused on the successful execution of our key growth planks. With that, I'll hand it back to Mike for any closing comments and we'll open it up to Q and A.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Vito. It certainly is an exciting and dynamic time to be in the space business. With record levels of investment opening the taps for new opportunity and unprecedented levels of commercial and government collaboration globally, we are at the very beginning of a new and emerging growth market. With one foot firmly planted in the government space market and the other well rooted in the rapidly growing commercial space market, MDA is uniquely positioned among our peers to capitalize on this shift. We think we offer a compelling opportunity for investors looking for a solid safe entry point into the space market with a company that has a well defined growth strategy and offers a long term value creation opportunity.

Speaker 2

With that, we will open up to questions. Back to you, operator.

Operator

Thank you. And your first question comes from Doug Taylor from Canaccord Genuity. Doug, please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thank you. Good evening and congrats on another solid quarter. Last quarter, you spoke to a relatively consistent performance this year in terms of the cadence of revenue over the course of the year. The results so far have been a little stronger than we've been expecting.

Speaker 4

I wonder if I could get you to revisit that comment and if we should still expect at least from a revenue side relatively consistent results through the balance of the year?

Speaker 2

Yes. We would it's Mike speaking. We would definitely continue to see steady continued performance with probably a little bit of an uptick as we go through the end of the year as some additional activity on some of the larger programs starts to ramp up a little bit. Would you characterize any of that uptick as some

Speaker 4

of the work? I mean, you talk about the progress you're making on these key flagship programs. Any of the work being pulled forward into this year that you might not have anticipated when you, I guess, set your initial budgets this year?

Speaker 2

No, I don't think we would characterize it as pulling it forward. I think it would just be as the activity increases, there's just a natural uptick that starts to progress. I've characterized the sort of overall business profile shifting as more of a big step up as we go through the finish of 2021 and into 2022. It will still be like that, but there will be a slight uptick that we start to see as we finish the as we go through Q4.

Speaker 4

Okay. Last question for me, you spoke to your large recruiting event and all the hiring that you've done. We certainly haven't seen that show up in the numbers yet and assuming some of those are gross new hires or net new hires as well. Are you expecting that to be the impact of that to be the gross margin contraction that you're kind of talking to for the second half of the year, OpEx? Can you kind of help us think about how we should be modeling that through the balance of the year?

Speaker 3

Yes, Doug, it's Speedo here. Now in respect to gross margin, you heard me reference obviously the Q2 perhaps is a high watermark. There is of course a little bit of seasonality with the utilization of our facilities and the overhead cost allocations to our revenue projects. That's probably what I'm referring to the most when I sort of say maybe a bit of Q2 being at a high watermark, but we still obviously expect gross profit percentages to be relatively fulsome. When you think about the hiring that we're making and all those the ramp up, we protect ourselves from a program perspective as much as possible, obviously working with whether it's the governments or whether it's our key customers in respect to those programs and ensuring that we've got revenue to match it.

Speaker 3

It's not always a perfect match, but I wouldn't call that out as a potential for it to create any leakage going forward.

Speaker 2

All right. Thanks again. I'll pass the line.

Speaker 3

Thanks Doug.

Operator

Your next question comes from Kristin Liwag from Morgan Stanley. Kristin, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey

Speaker 5

guys. Maybe Vito, on the margin, you mentioned earlier that 35% margin in 2Q is a high watermark. Can you discuss the moving pieces in margins for the rest of the year that are providing some headwinds?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, I wouldn't necessarily reference it as headwinds. Kristen, it's good to hear your voice by the way. I think when we look at our historical gross profit margin perspective and you look at Q2, we look at utilization. We do have some timing differences at times related to SR and ED credits that we book against the revenue profile.

Speaker 3

So the percentages can get away on you a little bit with $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 variance and whatnot. But I would we expect gross profit percentage to start with a 3% and a 30% plus range in the back half of the year, which is very, very fulsome.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks, Vito. And then also on MDA's satellite systems, you guys won a few subcontracts in there, including the Airbus contract and the L3 and Lockheed contracts. Can you size some of these programs? And also when you think about your pipeline of growth for satellite systems over the next few years, how meaningful of a growth driver are these wins in your fleet attract to high growth rate in that segment?

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say that those wins are more like the normal wins as part of the base business in satellite systems. In terms of like disclosing the actual dollar values and size, we're not doing that. We don't have permissions to do that right now. We can talk about the programs without their dollars.

Speaker 2

But I would call them as just part of the actual base business. The larger more significant ones will be the telesatellite speeds and a a couple others to come potentially that would be bigger growth drivers on top of that base business.

Speaker 5

Thanks. And Mike, following up on that, are there any expected milestone announcements of sizable contracts in satellite systems that we could follow for this year?

Speaker 2

Well, certainly Telus at Lightspeed is the big thing to follow in terms of that flagship program. As that program continues to move forward, we should all continue to watch that. And then as the entire project transitions from some early funding or early low levels of funding that we're all working on right now into like a fully funded more accelerated program. That's the key milestone to watch for.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Mike. And if I could squeeze on one more and pass it on to the next person. Mike Deitos, can you add more color on your investment in Sarafim? What's your role for the companies within the VC? And to what degree will you be providing strategic support to accelerate growth?

Speaker 5

And lastly on that, what does an exit investment look like?

Speaker 2

For us in terms of our involvement, we'd be there on the advisory board to be able to give support. We would provide support to help screen investment opportunities and or identify them within the Seraphim Investment Trust. We wouldn't be involved in any of the specific companies themselves in any way. We would just be contributing to the fund and then being advisors to that fund. As I mentioned strategically, it gives us great insight in terms of like the global pipeline of space related startups and allows us to help develop relationships that can be a value in our ecosystem in addition to future investments downstream.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Well, thank you very much guys.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thanks, Kristen.

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Steepe from Scotia Capital. Paul, please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Mike, could you maybe talk a little bit about the overall ground station market and what's going on there? It seems like there's competitors moving more towards some of the things you're obviously proposing with SAR NEXT. Maybe help us think a little bit about that opportunity?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think in terms of us, our current ground station business, we've been selling ground stations, multi source ground stations around the world to large defense and intelligence customer, other government customers and some commercial customers around the world that allow them those customers that have strong analytic centers to do their own operate their own ground stations in their geo intelligence work streams to be able to pull down data from our radarSat-two satellite and then up to 20 other different satellites. As we move forward into the future, we continue to manage and maintain our relationships with that ground station network, looking for partnership opportunities where we can offer upgrades to those ground those fixed infrastructure ground station or on premise ground stations to customers around the world, so that they can get access to more and different missions as more and different missions are put up for operations. Moving forward for us, we will definitely look to in addition to that existing on premise ground station offering, we'll be looking for our next generation of that on premise ground station offering. In addition to looking as many others are to making sure that we have a ground station offering in the cloud, so that we can offer infrastructure as a service in the future as to folks that don't want to have their own on premises fixed facilities moving forward.

Speaker 2

So we see that as an upcoming opportunity and that we'll be using that as an offering for customers if they want to transition to a cloud based or for countries and corporations that wouldn't naturally have an on premise intelligence analysis infrastructure to be able to access ground station functionality in the cloud. So those are all trends that are going on that we look to participate in moving forward in the future.

Speaker 6

Great. And then just the struggle with it's great to see the new wins in the quarter. You called out a number. How should we think about these incremental bookings or wins? Are there any of them that meaningfully sort of pick up either next year or beyond?

Speaker 6

How should we sort of think our way through those?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think in Q2, like I say, it's just good steady ongoing solid base business performance quarter over quarter right now. And that as we continue to work on the flagship programs and look to get the next round of orders on those that we've been working hard on, that we would expect to see growth in our backlog in the second half of the year. So we've been sort of just doing the normal blocking and tackling in the base business of orders through Q2 and then we'd expect to see some bigger uptick in the building of that backlog as we go through the second half of the year.

Speaker 7

Okay, great.

Speaker 6

And then I guess the last one is just understanding the pace of hiring, I guess, sort of guessing or estimating, because at the start of the year, I think it was over 2,000 is the public statements. It sounds like we're somewhere in the 2,400 range. How should we think about that cadence of adding staff, if staff sort of equate to normally the mid-50s somewhere in there of total COGS and OpEx? Just trying to think our way through the ramp of those costs.

Speaker 2

Yes. So the ramp of the costs are in line with the activity on the programs. Like we're certainly obviously, we're owning only hiring people that we need to be able to execute. Like our focus is very much, as we said, on execution and getting ready to make sure that we're staffing into the larger programs and that we're ready to ramp up or step up as we go through the end of twenty twenty one into 2022. So most of these hires are coming in into like revenue generating activity on these programs.

Speaker 2

So that's what that case is. Our current number is somewhere in the 2,200 to 2,300 area. I think we finished the year at 1,900. Last year was our public number and we're now in that sort of 2,200 to 2,300 range at the moment. There would be some continued hiring as you go through the second half of the year, especially as that next round of orders comes through on the larger flagship program.

Speaker 2

So we continue to keep pace as those program expectations continue to increase. Great.

Speaker 6

And then I guess the last one just for Vito. How should we think about obviously, you're not drawing on the new facility at the moment. Is there any thought or info you can share with us just in terms of what that overall rate might look like going forward as you would start to maybe use that new facility?

Speaker 3

Yes, Paul. In regards to the rates, a lot more favorable than where we've been. We don't expect to have any draws into it through the back half of the year quite frankly. We're sitting on $113,000,000 or close to $119,000,000 of cash. Our back half of the year, you can obviously count on continued steady operating performance, a significant increase in our capital expenditures.

Speaker 3

So we will be when you consider the growth CapEx be dipping into the cash, but we don't expect to be drawn on the revolver in any meaningful way through the back half of this year. And I'll stop just short of giving you the terms on that, but they would be what you would expect with just almost an investment grade type characterization of our debt at this point. Great. Thank you. Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Your next question comes from Chans Wufselhoff from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Sorry, Thanos from Shopulis from BMO. Hey guys. Hey Mike, in terms of the Canadarm three contract, how long does that carry you through for and what would be the next contracting milestone we would be looking for on that?

Speaker 2

Yes. So the large space program as they go through phases, Phase A, B, C and D. So Phase A was the contract that we announced back in 2020 that we're currently working on now, which it goes through 2021. As we go through the second half of the year, we will be looking to get under contract for Phase B. Phase B is called the preliminary design phase and it's another significant it's a much larger phase obviously, each of the phases builds.

Speaker 2

So that's what we expect to see happening in the second half of the year.

Speaker 7

Okay. On SAR NEXT, is there anything of new, I mean obviously early days for the program, you talked about ramping up CapEx in the second half, but is there much to see on that front other than the fact that the investments are going to ramp?

Speaker 2

Yes, like the program continues at pace and meeting our expectations. We announced that we passed a preliminary design earlier in the year and we're working now forward through heading towards critical design. And yes, like we said, the program activity will pick up as we go through the second half of the year and the associated spend will do the same. So yes, it continues on track.

Speaker 7

In satellite systems, I mean, obviously, you have a great backlog. You announced some wins. There's obviously the Telesat in the pipeline. But as you look at the broader kind of commercial geomarkets this year, order activity today has been a little bit light. What are your thoughts in terms of how things might shape up in the second half, I guess for the broader industry and then as it relates to your subcontracting opportunity on geo concepts?

Speaker 2

Yes, we would agree that like it's definitely a lighter year certainly compared to last year, which was very active with those 21 orders around the world last year in 2020. It will be a bit lighter this year. For us, we have some we continue to get our fair share of the work. We have some solid opportunities to come as we go through the next six to nine months for sure. In addition to working on Telesat Lightspeed, we also continue to work on a number of other LEO constellation related opportunities.

Speaker 2

We talked about during the IPO process that we had a very strong pipeline with a solid handful of LEO constellation opportunities we were being asked to quote into and that whole bidding process and associated discussions continues very strongly. And so for us in combination of continuing to get our fair share of GEO and a very active LEO constellation pipeline, we're feeling very comfortable about continued growth in that business area.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks guys.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn it back to Mike.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks very much everyone for participating. We look forward to updating you again in the fall following Q3. Have a great evening and thanks very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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MDA Space Q2 2021
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