McCormick & Company, Incorporated Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 6, 2022

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning. This is Casey Jenkins, Chief Strategy Officer and Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you for joining today's Q3 earnings call. To accompany this call, we posted a set of slides at ir.mccormick.com. With me this morning are Lawrence Kurzius, Chairman and CEO Brendan Foley, President and COO and Mike Smith, Executive Vice President and CFO.

Operator

During this call. We will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. The nature of those non GAAP financial measures and the related reconciliation To the GAAP results are included in this morning's press release and slides. In our comments, certain percentages are rounded. Please refer to our presentation for complete information.

Operator

Today's presentation contains projections and other forward looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those projected. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise publicly any forward looking statement whether because of new information, future events or other factors. Please refer to our forward looking statements on Slide 2 for more information. I will now turn the discussion over to Lawrence.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. 3rd quarter sales increased 3% from the year ago period as anticipated. In constant currency, sales grew 6%, reflecting 10% growth from pricing actions, Partially offset by a 1% decline from the Kitchen Basics divestiture, the 1% decline attributable to the exits of low margin business in India and the consumer In Russia, we had a 2% decline in all other volume and product mix. Our underlying Q3 growth reflects the strength of our broad global portfolio As well as the effective execution of our strategies and pricing actions against the backdrop of a volatile operating environment.

Speaker 1

Using 2019 as a pre pandemic baseline, 3rd quarter sales grew at a constant currency 3 year compounded annual growth rate or CAGR, Up 7%, reflecting the sustained momentum in our business across both our Consumer and Flavor Solutions segments. Moving to profit, adjusted operating income was down 12% or 11% in constant currency And adjusted earnings per share was down 14%. During the Q3, supply chain challenges continued And recovery of certain constraint materials is taking longer than expected. We continue to incur elevated costs to meet high demand on our flavor solutions segment, Well, in our consumer segment, where demand moderated from elevated consumption trends more quickly than expected, we are experiencing lower than optimal operating leverage. Across the supply chain, we remain focused on managing inventory levels and eliminating inefficiencies, though the normalization of our supply chain cost is taking longer than pressuring gross margin and profit realization in the current period.

Speaker 1

Over the current coming months, we will be aggressively eliminating supply chain inefficiencies. Importantly, as we had expected in the Q3, our price increases are catching up with the pace of cost inflation in both segments. We began to recover the cost inflation that had been outpacing our pricing actions and other levers most significantly in the Consumer segment. We expect this will continue into the next year as we plan to fully offset inflation over time. Before discussing our Q3 segment performance in more detail, I'd like to comment on our supply chain plans, starting on Slide 5.

Speaker 1

We have a focused plan in flight that leverages the discipline of our established comprehensive continuous improvement or CCI program To ensure that we are able to flexibly support customer demand, both where it has been sustained at higher levels And where it has moderated. While eliminating inefficiencies and normalizing both our cost structure and inventory levels, our actions are well underway. Our top supply chain priority remains keeping our customers in supply and supporting their growth. There are areas of our business that have sustained high levels of demand for an extended And our supply chain has been pressured to meet this demand. We have several initiatives in progress that will increase our capacity, Strengthen our supply chain resiliency and importantly enable us to service our customers so they can grow their business.

Speaker 1

For example, We're investing in additional flavor solutions seasoning capacity, which will be online in early 2023. We're expanding FONA's footprint to support our flavor growth. We recently opened our new UK Peterborough flavor solutions manufacturing facility to support our strong growth momentum with quick service restaurants. And just earlier this week, the first pallet was shipped from our new Maryland Logistics Center. And from a cost perspective, As we responded to demand volatility over the past several years, we have incurred additional costs above inflation, Service our customers and have seen inefficiencies develop in our supply chain.

Speaker 1

These are costs we have absorbed, we have not passed into customers in our pricing actions. We are targeting to eliminate at least $100,000,000 of these costs with a significant benefit in 2023. We're moving aggressively to take these costs and inefficiencies out as well as normalized inventory levels that have built up. Some of our actions include Investing to increase both manufacturing capacity and reliability in bottleneck areas to enable better customer service and repatriation of production From excessive use of co packers. We're returning to more normal shift schedules and reducing our spend on extensive surge capacity.

Speaker 1

You're already seeing the benefit of lower overtime and temporary labor reductions. In this more normalized environment, As well as through customer collaboration, we are already beginning to reduce expedited freight costs and lessen truckload shipping costs as well as other transportation inefficiencies. We are resolving raw material and packaging supply issues. For example, We're beyond the shortages of glass bottles and certain organic spices, which impacted supply of our U. S.

Speaker 1

Gourmet line. A supplier facility closure announced in September drove the discontinuation of a component of our dry recipe mix packaging And through our quick qualification of alternative supply, we mitigated a major disruption during the Q4. Long running shortage of French's mustard bottles Will be resolved in the first half of twenty twenty three as new molds come online at a second supplier. And from an inventory We are also executing on plans to return to historical safety stock levels, which were raised to protect against supply disruption. We expect the impact of our actions to normalize our supply chain costs, increase our efficiency and ability to meet demand, lower our inventory levels And importantly, increase our profit realization beginning in the first half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1

We have managed Through various supply chain challenges over the last several years with the peak disruption experienced in the Q3 of last year. Since then, there has been steady improvement, Building progress and bolstering our confidence in our plan to enhance our operational performance and optimize our cost structure. While we will always prioritize meeting our customers' needs, I'm encouraged by our disciplined approach to resolving the increased costs within our supply chain. We've continued to define and quantify specific actions within our plans as we since we shared we would be driving the elimination of the supply chain inefficiencies and our pre announcement last month. We look forward to sharing more details and progress with you in January when we provide our 2023 outlook.

Speaker 1

Now moving to 3rd quarter business updates for each of our segments. Starting with our Consumer segment on Slide 6 and the status of our pricing actions, Our Q3 sales reflect the impact of our pricing actions in all three regions with an acceleration of effective pricing in the quarter versus the first half of the year, In line with what we expected, while broad pressure on consumers' cost of living from inflation, which heightened during our Q3, As resulted in higher price elasticity than we originally anticipated, our elasticities remain lower than historical levels. And our most recent pricing actions, which in the U. S. Took effect as we began our Q4, we focused on areas that are less elastic and did not take pricing on Some products where we've seen the highest elasticity.

Speaker 1

Now for some further highlights by region, starting with the Americas. Our total U. S. Branded portfolio consumption, as indicated by our IRI consumption data and combined with unmeasured channels, grew 4%, In line with our shipments and over the last 3 years since 2019, consumption has grown at a 3 year CAGR of 8%, which highlights how the sustained shift in consumer consumption continues to drive increased demand for our products and outpace pre pandemic levels. In early August, we divested our Kitchen Basics business.

Speaker 1

We consistently grew this brand over the years, but as it was the only U. S. Brand we had in the stock Our resources were better focused on core categories where we have leading brands. Demand has remained high with strong growth In the majority of our categories, spices and seasonings has been one of our strongest categories in the past 3 years. And as a result, we are lapping all time This has created challenging comparisons in some product lines, such as baking related items, Which have returned to a pre pandemic level unlike most of our categories.

Speaker 1

Grilling related items were impacted versus last year by high meat prices, Although grilling is still strong versus pre pandemic. Self conditions continue to improve as seen in our recipe mix and share performance With the 4th consecutive quarter of share gain, our spices and seasonings share was pressured by service related distribution losses. The shortage of certain packaging items as well as certain organic spices, which has largely been resolved and some trading down by consumers who remain under We are using our category and revenue management capabilities to strengthen our spices and seasoning presence on shelf. The strength of our brands and our category leadership has recently won us new distribution, which we're beginning to realize now. In EMEA, we continue to have solid share performance at herbs, spices and seasonings in the UK, Eastern Europe and Italy, Somewhat offset by softer performance in France, we are continuing to gain share on Frank's RedHot in the UK and we are beginning to build momentum with Cholula as we expand that brand into this market.

Speaker 1

For the quarter year to date versus last year, as well as since 2019, We are driving the UK hot sauce category growth. Our Botany brand of homemade dessert products in France, a product line unique to our EMEA region, As slowed, we have seen baking return to a more pre pandemic baseline level in EMEA 2, again, unlike our other categories. Turning to the Asia Pacific region. Last year, the region experienced supply chain challenges such as ocean freight capacity constraints And lapping that impact contributed to growth in the Q3. Additionally, following an extended lockdown in the 2nd quarter, COVID restrictions in Shanghai and some other cities throughout China eased as we began the Q3, resulting in trade and pantry replenishments Contributing to growth.

Speaker 1

Recently, several cities in Central China, which is the primary market of our Wuhan operations, I've experienced new COVID related lockdowns, and we're continually monitoring the situation. Overall, our China performance is on track with our expectations. Across all regions in our consumer segment, we are achieving the price realization we expected and we're executing on our proven growth strategies, Pivoting action plans as needed based on our consumer insights and the environment. We continue to invest behind our brands. We increased brand marketing investments in the 3rd quarter and have additional investments planned for the 4th quarter.

Speaker 1

In addition to our highly effective and Inspiring holiday messaging. We have pivoted our digital messaging to emphasize value and show consumers how our products help them stretch their grocery dollars Without sacrificing flavor, we are focusing our innovation efforts to meet the needs of consumers concerned about their budgets. In the Americas, we have launched a new Lowery's branded opening price point range of everyday 10 spices and our large size format Superdeal is one of the best performing product lines as consumers are looking for greater value. This format Size is approximately a 40% better value per ounce than the smaller sizes. We've also launched large size resealable pouches of top selling items in markets across all regions.

Speaker 1

In terms of category management, we are collaborating with our customers to ensure the right assortment and price points on shelf To optimize category performance and increase profitability for our customers, and as always, we have a strong merchandising program planned for the holiday season. We are confident in our brand marketing investments, innovation and category management initiatives, which will continue to drive strong growth. Turning to flavor solutions on Slide 8. Our sales performance for the quarter was strong with growth led by our pricing actions in all three regions With an increase in our effective pricing versus the first half of the year as we expected. Now for some regional highlights.

Speaker 1

In the Americas, strong growth was driven by snack seasonings, savory flavors and branded foodservice products. Demand continues to Strengthened with branded foodservice restaurant and institutional foodservice customers as mobility and strong summer travel Continued to fuel consumption and importantly, we also are expanding distribution. In EMEA, Growth remains strong across our entire customer base. Our 3rd quarter growth was led by strong quick service restaurant or QSR Momentum in all markets, partially driven by expanded distribution and our customers' promotional activity. And we're seeing an acceleration of As customers shift to more economical formats, our full spectrum of solutions across price points is driving growth.

Speaker 1

We're winning in both regions with our new product momentum. In Americas, growth from new products contributed approximately 25 More growth in flavors in the Q3 than the year ago period, driven by beverage, savory snacks and performance nutrition flavors. We're continuing to win share in these categories. And in EMEA, our Q3 new product launches accelerated versus earlier in the year. And for the full year, we expect new product introductions to outpace 2021.

Speaker 1

We are fueling future growth. In APT, we're driving further menu penetration with our QSR customers winning new limited time offers As well as realizing growth from strong performance of their core menu items we flavor. In many cases, we are the heat in their spicy offerings. Overall, flavor solutions has remained strong and for certain parts of our business in the Americas and EMEA regions, our supply chain continues to be pressured To meet this high demand. And as I said earlier, we are still taking on some extraordinary cost to service our customers.

Speaker 1

We appreciate our customers working with us and we see light ahead. Now some summary comments before turning it over to Mike. Turning to Slide 9. Global demand for flavor remains the foundation of our sales growth and we have intentionally focused on great Fast growing categories that will continue to differentiate our performance. We continue to capitalize on the long term consumer trends that accelerated during the pandemic, healthy and flavorful cooking, increased digital engagement, trusted brands and purpose minded practices.

Speaker 1

These long term trends and the rising global demand for great taste are more relevant today than ever, but the younger generations fueling them at a greater rate. McCormick is uniquely positioned to capitalize on this demand for great taste. With the breadth and reach of our strong global flavor portfolio, We are delivering flavor experiences for every meal occasion for our products and our customers' products and are driving growth. We are end to end flavor. We remain focused on the long term goals, strategies and values that have made us so successful.

Speaker 1

We have grown and compounded that growth over the years, including through the pandemic and other periods of volatility. Our solid track record of achieving our long term objectives highlights the resiliency of our business through a variety of market conditions As well as our focus on sales growth and profit realization. The long term fundamentals that drove our industry leading historical performance remains strong. The strength of our business model, the value of our products and capabilities and the execution of our proven strategies by our experienced leaders While adapting to changes accordingly give us confidence in our growth momentum and in our ability to navigate the global dynamic environment. The compounding benefits of our relentless focus on growth, performance and people continues to position McCormick to drive sales growth And balanced with our focus on lowering costs to expand margins, realize long term sustainable earnings growth.

Speaker 1

The teamwork of our McCormick employees drive our momentum and success, and I want to thank them for their dedicated efforts and engagement. And now I will turn it over to Mike. Thanks, Lawrence, and good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide 12, our top constant currency sales grew 6% compared to the Q3 of last year, including a 1% unfavorable impact from the Kitchen Basics divestiture, As well as a 1% impact from the exits of low margin business in India and the consumer business in Russia. In our Consumer segment, we drove constant currency sales growth of 4%, with 10% related to pricing actions, partially offset by a 1% impact from the Kitchen Basics divestiture as well as lower volume, with the exits of low margin business in India and the consumer business in Russia contributing a combined 1% impact to the lower volume.

Speaker 1

On a 3 year basis, our 3rd quarter constant currency sales CAGR was 6%. On Slide 13, Consumer sales in the Americas increased 3% in constant currency, driven by pricing actions, partially offset by a decline in volume, As well as a 1% impact from the Kitchen Basics divestiture. As Lawrence mentioned, the volume decline was impacted not only by elasticities, But also by constrained supply of certain input materials, primarily packaging items. Over the past 3 years, constant currency sales in the Americas grew at a CAGR of In EMEA, constant currency consumer sales declined 1%, which included a 3% unfavorable impact from lower sales In Russia, growth in other markets was driven by pricing actions, partially offset by lower volume, with the most significant volume impact Attributable to lower sales of Wahine homemade dessert products. Over the past 3 years, EMEA's constant currency sales grew at a 3% CAGR.

Speaker 1

Constant currency consumer sales in the Asia Pacific region grew 10%, including a 7% unfavorable impact From the exit of low margin business in India. As Lawrence mentioned, growth was driven by higher volume, mainly attributable to trade and pantry replenishments in China, Following the extended Shanghai lockdown last quarter, as well as the region lapping supply chain challenges in the year ago period, Pricing actions in all markets across the region also contributed to growth. On a 3 year basis, APZ's 3rd quarter constant currency sales grew at a 4% CAGR. Turning to our flavor solutions segment on Slide 16. We grew 3rd quarter constant currency sales 10%, primarily due to pricing actions, with higher volume and product mix also contributing to growth.

Speaker 1

3rd quarter constant currency sales for the last 3 years Grew at an 8% CAGR. In the Americas, flavor solutions constant currency sales grew 10% driven by pricing. Higher sales to packaged food and beverage companies with particular strength in snack seasonings led to growth. Higher demand from branded food service customers also contributed to growth. Over the past 3 years, constant currency sales in the Americas grew at a CAGR of 8%.

Speaker 1

In EMEA, we drove 11% constant currency sales growth with 7% related to price actions and 4% volume and mix. EMEA's flavor solutions growth excluding a 1% decline related to lower sales in Russia was broad based across this portfolio, led by strong growth with QSR, Branded Foodservice and Packaged Food and Beverage Company customers. Over the past 3 years, EMEA's constant currency sales growth It was 9% CAGR. In the Asia Pacific region, flavor solutions sales grew 11% in constant currency With pricing actions and higher volume contributing to the increase, growth was driven by higher sales to QSR customers, In part due to the timing of the promotional activities, APZ grew constant currency sales at a 6% CAGR over the past 3 years. As seen on Slide 20, adjusted gross profit margin declined 320 basis points in the 3rd quarter versus the year ago period.

Speaker 1

Let me spend a moment on the significant drivers. 1st, almost 80% of this decline, approximately 2 50 basis points, It's due to the dilutive impact of pricing to offset our dollar cost increases. Next, I'll cover the impact of supply chain challenges on gross margin. In our flavor solutions segment, we have continued to incur elevated costs to meet high demand for certain parts of that business. And there has also been an unfavorable impact from the start up and dual running costs as we transition production to our new UK Peterborough manufacturing facility.

Speaker 1

In our Consumer segment, where demand has moderated more quickly than we expected, we are experiencing lower operating leverage. Overall, while the normalization of our supply chain cost is taking longer than expected, pressuring gross margin, we are taking actions to normalize our costs, As Lawrence mentioned, which we are confident will be reflected in our 2023 gross margin. Partially offsetting these impacts Our CCI led cost savings, where we are on track to deliver our expected savings of $85,000,000 for the full year. And finally, of note, in line with our expectations, the impact of our pricing actions in the Q3 began outpacing cost inflation in both segments, More significantly in the consumer segment, we expect pricing to continue outpacing inflation into next year as we plan to fully offset inflation over time. Overall, our cost recovery and gross margin improvement will vary by region and segment with a slower flavor solutions recovery.

Speaker 1

Importantly though, we have now passed the inflection point with significant gross margin improvement since last quarter, driven by our consumer segment performance, And we expect further improvement in the 4th quarter. Now moving to Slide 21. Selling, general and administrative expenses or SG and A We're comparable to the Q3 of last year with higher distribution costs and brand marketing investments offset by lower employee benefit expenses. As a percent of net sales, SG and A declined 60 basis points. The net impact of the factors I just mentioned resulted in a currency decline in adjusted operating income, which excludes special charges and transaction and integration costs of 11% compared to the Q3 of 2021.

Speaker 1

In the Consumer segment, adjusted operating income declined 1% in constant currency And in the Flavor Solutions segment, it declined 34%. Turning to income taxes on Slide 22. Our 3rd quarter adjusted effective tax rate was 21.2% compared to 14.1% in the year ago period. Both periods were favorably impacted by discrete tax items with a more significant impact last year. At the bottom line, as shown on Slide 23, Q3 2022 adjusted earnings per share was $0.69 as compared to $0.80 for the year ago period.

Speaker 1

The decrease was driven by our lower adjusted operating income. A favorable impact from optimizing our debt portfolio in the 3rd quarter was fully offset by the impact of higher adjusted effective tax rate in the Q3 of this year. On Slide 24, We summarize highlights for cash flow and the quarter end balance sheet. Our cash flow from operations was $250,000,000 through the Q3 of 2022, Which is lower than the same period last year. This decrease was primarily driven by lower net income and higher inventory levels.

Speaker 1

We returned $298,000,000 of cash to our shareholders through dividends and used $167,000,000 for capital expenditures Through the Q3. Our priority is to continue to have a balanced use of cash, funding investments to drive growth, Returning a significant portion to our shareholders through dividends and paying down debt. While our Q4 has historically generated our highest cash flow from operations, Based on our current profit outlook and working capital position, we do not expect to delever to our targeted net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of approximately 3 times by the end of fiscal 2022. We remain committed to a strong investment grade rating We have a history of strong cash generation and profit realization. With our improving gross margin as well as our plan to normalize our supply chain costs and inventory levels, We will be better positioned to continue paying down debt.

Speaker 1

Now turning to our 2022 financial outlook on Slide 25. We are projecting strong top line growth with profit impacted by cost inflation and supply chain challenges. We also expect there will be a 3 On the top line, we expect to grow constant currency sales 3% to 5%. We expect sales to be driven primarily by pricing. While we anticipate volume and product mix to be impacted by price elasticities, We expect elasticity to remain at a lower rate than historical levels, given our focused approach led by consumer insights.

Speaker 1

Our volume and product mix will also be impacted by the divestiture of our Kitchen Basics business, the demand disruptions experienced in China and the exit of our consumer business in Russia, As well as continual pruning of lower margin business from our portfolio. We plan to drive continued growth through the strength of our brands as well as our category management, brand marketing, new product and customer engagement growth plans. We We are projecting our 2022 adjusted gross profit margin to be 350 basis points to 300 basis points lower than 2021, primarily driven by our Flavor Solutions segment. Given the rapidly escalating cost environment this year, cost inflation outpaced pricing in the first half of the year. We expect pricing to outpace inflation in the second half of the year and continue into next year.

Speaker 1

This adjusted gross margin Compression reflects the impact of a high teens increase in cost inflation, higher supply chain costs, lower operating leverage An unfavorable impact of sales mix between segments and favorable impacts from pricing and CCI led cost savings. As a reminder, we have price to offset dollar cost increases. This has a dilutive impact on our adjusted gross margin and is the primary driver of our projected compression. We expect our adjusted operating income to decline 11% to 9% in constant currency. In addition to our gross margin impacts, I just mentioned, this projection also includes our CCI's total cost savings target of approximately $85,000,000 And a low single digit increase in brand marketing investments compared to 2021.

Speaker 1

We are projecting our 2022 adjusted effective income tax rate to be approximately 22%. This outlook is expected to be a year over year headwind to our 2022 adjusted earnings per share of approximately 2%. We are projecting our 2022 adjusted earnings per share to be in the range of $2.63 to 2 point 6 8 As compared to $3.05 in 2021. This projection includes a $0.02 unfavorable impact from the divestiture of the Kitchen Basics business. As we currently progress in our Q4, we are confident in delivering our 2022 outlook, continuing our strong top line growth trajectory And as our guidance implies, delivering 4th quarter operating margin expansion, while executing on a focused plan to drive improvement in our cost structure.

Speaker 1

We are targeting to eliminate at least $100,000,000 of these costs or approximately a 150 basis point impact to our operating margin. With our proven track record of delivering CCI led savings to fuel growth investments and expand our operating margin, we are leveraging the discipline of the CCI to aggressively eliminate costs and inefficiencies. Overall, we are confident our focus on profit realization will drive margin improvement. And while parts of our plan to optimize our cost structure will take longer than others, we expect to begin seeing the benefits of our actions in the first half of twenty twenty three. We look forward to sharing more details and progress with you in January when we provide our 2023 outlook.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Mike. Now that Mike has shared our financial results and outlook in more detail, I'd like to recap key takeaways as seen on Slide 26. Our Q3 sales performance reflects the strength of our broad global portfolio and the effective execution of our strategies against the backdrop of a Volatile operating environment, our sales growth momentum is strong. The challenges in our supply chain have taken longer to normalize. We have now passed an inflection point.

Speaker 1

We've begun to recover the cost inflation that has been outpacing our pricing actions, while executing on a plan to aggressively eliminate Supply chain costs and we expect 2022 Q4 operating margin expansion and continued improvement into 2023. Our long term performance, including through periods of volatility, has been industry leading and long term fundamentals that drove this historical Performance remains strong. We have a proven track record of execution and are confident we will successfully navigate this dynamic environment Our future sustainable growth and build long term value for our shareholders. Now let's turn to your questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer Thank you. And our first question is from the line of Ken Goldman with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your questions.

Speaker 3

Hi, thanks so much.

Speaker 1

Hey, good morning, Ken, by the way.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. You highlighted that you're past the inflection Point right where your pricing is now ahead of your costs. And this, of course, is natural, right, given the timing, and not unexpected. But One of the pushbacks we hear on the industry is that larger retail customers, as they start to, I guess, maybe notice these margin trends, they'll start to ask for a bigger piece of the profit Hi. So I guess my question is, to what extent do you expect sort of these gross margin net tailwinds to be sustainable?

Speaker 3

Or Is it reasonable to expect maybe some pressure from customers as they see their vendors' margin starting to get better?

Speaker 1

Well, I think that there's always some tension when you're talking about pricing and margins with customers. And so I don't want to get into anything with any one specific customer, but right now, All of our customers recognize that inflation is ongoing and we continue to have, Yes. I'd say productive pricing discussions with our customers. We just did take another round that is effective here in our 4th quarter, And we're really not seeing that kind of pushback right now. I think the reality, Ken, is we're still recovering.

Speaker 1

Our pace of pricing has caught up now with cost. And we'll like we said, we'll recover dollar for dollar In 2023, but there is a trend that is going in the right direction. And obviously, as we look at 2023, we'll look at what's the cost environment, And I think particularly on the flavor solution side of the business, we have we still have Yes, more work to do.

Speaker 3

Got it. Thank you. And then for my follow-up, You're guiding to at least $100,000,000 of incremental cost savings. It's not a small number.

Speaker 1

So I just wanted to get

Speaker 3

a little bit of clarification. How much of that is incremental to ongoing CCI? And how much of that is derived from Maybe a normalization of certain factors such as inventories versus what you would consider more, I guess, discrete savings beyond that?

Speaker 1

Well, first of all, all of this is incremental to our normal CCI program. We're using The processes and the organization, that drives our CCI program to actually execute on these, But this is incremental savings that we although Some of the I would characterize as a one time takeout. It goes straight to run rate. These are incremental costs that we I've incurred due to expensive surge capacity, some of the things we talked about in our prepared remarks, over time, temporary Our labor inefficient shifts, excessive use of co packers, a lot of premium Transportation charges, we expect to get that out of our system, get back to our pre pandemic operating standards. And we would expect while this is a one time takeout, it goes straight to run rate.

Speaker 1

Understood. Thanks so much. Yes, very clear.

Speaker 2

Our next question is from the line of Robert Moskow with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks. So, Flavor Solutions is really the division that has Stumbled the most. I mean, when I look at profit this year compared to like pre pandemic, it's well below your pre pandemic levels. So can I assume that most of the $100,000,000 in savings is or recovery is going to happen there? And then my second question is, I remember years years ago that the flavor solutions had problems because it Trying to do too many things for too many customers, it had spread itself too thin.

Speaker 4

It needed eventually to have a rationalization of its customer base. And I wanted to make sure that that's not possibly one of the root causes today. You've grown your sales a lot. Do you feel like the organization is capable of still getting back to like 12% operating margin across all of those customers.

Speaker 1

Yes. I think that stumbled is the wrong way to characterize. I think that we're a bit of a victim of our own success. We've won a lot of new business and we prioritize Keeping our customers in stock and supplying them, and that has put a lot of pressure on our supply Hi, Shane. In a few areas, we've got projects underway to address kind of a normalization of our production And through capacity additions, some of these wins are substantial and we've had real brick and mortar projects that take A couple of years to put into place that are coming online right now and that are going to get at a lot of the Extraordinary cost.

Speaker 1

There's some parts of our business. The 20 fourseven shifts that we've gotten out of in most of our business, we're still doing that in a lot of our This is Wally. We'll stay a lot in parts of our flavor solutions business and that is a less efficient Shift, Patter. Even though it doesn't get you some capacity, it's certainly an example of expensive surge capacity. But we've got new seasonings capacity coming online in the Americas, Yes, some of it now, some of it in the first early part of 2023.

Speaker 1

We're starting up a New flavor solutions plant in the UK. We've got expanded distribution That's shifting really starting to shift right now. And so I think that we've got a lot going for us in flavor solutions To support that strong growth in a more efficient way. As a margin issue on flavor solutions partly is just the way our Contractual arrangements work with our customers. There is a pass through mechanism for the major Raw materials that go into their products, there's a lag to it.

Speaker 1

At times when inflation was 1%, 2%, 3%, Yes, that flag really wasn't important, but this year where it's been double digit, it has been important and we are going Yes. Catch that up. I think, remember, we've talked about this before, over half of the dilution this year is due to the cost versus Pricing, so that's just the math that we'll get back over time. Also, these projects, Lawrence mentioned, there's a lot Double running costs as we bring those big projects up like UK Peterborough that eventually will go away, so that will help the margins. To your point though about are we spread too thin, I was actually at the flavor division back in 2,005 when that was There's no comparison to today.

Speaker 1

It's really focused and finding out a deal. I was just going to say, Mike, one thing I would add there, Rob, is The composition and the profile of our business is so different to 2,005 and this our strategy to keep Driving and evolving the business towards that higher value added portfolio is what you're seeing in our business You know, portfolio today. And so there's a very different, I think, set of conditions compared to Yes, the point you referenced. And we have done a lot of portfolio pruning behind the scenes as we especially as we went through these last 3 years For the extraordinary growth that we have in the parts of the business that we're focused on More than made up for parts of the business where we were getting out of low margin, Hi, hi touch businesses. And I think it's been a self reinforcing Strategy, the migration of our business more and more towards the value added technically insulated And flavor end of the spectrum has made our product wins stickier and Our R and D team is more able to work on new business and not focused on constantly rewinning this business.

Speaker 4

Great. I'm sorry to bring up 2,005, but we're all old and that we all remember it. So maybe just one follow-up. Of the $70,000,000 or so of profit decline this year in flavor solutions. Can you quantify how much of that is just pricing catch up?

Speaker 1

I would say, I wouldn't I think the bigger bucket is actually some of the excess costs that we've Talked about it and then which actually would have driven more sales if we could have supplied it. But the excess cost that we for the reason we called down Our pre announcement was we haven't been able to get those out of the system yet. Pricing is a bit behind. I mean, the thing that gives us the comfort that we're going Cover more margin in flavor solutions as we've seen it in consumer. The consumer is turning positive from a gross margin and operating profit perspective as pricing Wave comes through and you'll see the same in flavor solutions, but I don't have an exact number for you.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Our next question is from the line of Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, thank you and good morning. Picking up on that last thread, on the pricing catch up in flavor solutions, Can you talk a little bit about the expected timing of that and cadence of that? Because it seems like Most of it or a good portion of it should be, I think, foreseeable just based on the timing of the sort of the contracted Adjustments in pricing and contract renewals and that kind of thing. So is it a should we be expecting a relatively smooth catch up from here?

Speaker 5

Or Is there a reason to believe that you can that the catch up happens on a more accelerated timing?

Speaker 1

I'd rather describe it more in terms of our gross margin trajectory than to talk about pricing specifically because I worry that it's going to get into Thanks. That might upset our customers. But you can see the margin trajectory on this business I think we need to turn. We talked about an inflection point. Flavor Solutions margins have been ticking down Through the Q2 of the year, the year on year comparison has narrowed In the Q3, and we expect it to continue to narrow and begin a recovery as we go through Yes, I mean from a dollar perspective, like I said before, for both Consumer and Flavor Solutions business, we will catch up on the Cost next year.

Speaker 1

We just took branded foodservice as a part of flavor solutions along with our consumer business at the The quarter that will be a positive, both in the next year rapidly. So yes, there's no just like one big bag you catch up, it's over time, but in 2023, we will catch up.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay. On the manufacturing start up costs, are those I guess what inning are we in There and how much of that remains versus in the is it the rearview?

Speaker 1

I would say, I mean, From a you're always going to have some of these programs, I would say that. So you're always going to have some of this. But again, I think this year is kind of a high watermark We should get some tailwind next year, but some of these programs take a bit of time to get fully These are big programs. I mean project we just have to shift our first talent, as Martin said, out of our big Northeast distribution center. But We want to move over time into 2023.

Speaker 1

We'll be moving parts of our business into that. So there'll be a bit of inefficiency there, but And I want to just emphasize that the things that we talked about on the call in terms of getting at the Yes. On our prepared remarks, in terms of getting at the cost, for example, so I don't want to overly focus on any one Take care of everything and give it too much weight. We were sharing examples and when we Next report in January, we'll be able to give some progress updates on those exact examples, As well as for other actions.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. If I could, just One little housekeeping, sorry if I missed it, but just was there anything notable that caused that resulted in Reported EBIT this quarter coming in above what you had preannounced at quarter close. Is there anything as you close the books that was

Speaker 1

No, I mean, like we said, we preannounced, we haven't closed our books yet. So these are all estimates and we felt pretty good where we landed. There was a couple of things tax came in a little bit more favorable as about a penny. Some other SG and A things came in a little bit more favorable, but Nothing material and you saw sales landed right where we thought. Yes.

Speaker 1

I mean, when we preannounced, it was, say, 4.

Speaker 5

We had a little bit

Speaker 1

more visibility in the sales versus profit and between Q3 and Q4 there's a little shift.

Speaker 5

Yes, yes. Okay. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Chris Growe with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning. Hey, good morning, Chris. Sorry, it was hard to get in.

Speaker 6

No, no worries. No, thank you for commenting my question here. I appreciate it. I just wanted to go a couple of, I guess, follow-up questions. I just want to be sure on that lag in pricing in Flavor Solutions, when we talked about the pass along features of that business, that had typically been like a 1 quarter lag.

Speaker 6

Is that still the case or have you caught up now when you talk about pricing being over inflation, have you caught up with that? And I guess I just want to also understand, Was that a factor weighing on profit in the quarter or was it more just the supply chain challenges?

Speaker 1

Well, of course, it was a factor weighing on profit in the quarter and That's been all year. Again, every customer has got a slightly different contractual arrangement. I think Thinking about a quarter lag is a good way to think about it. But remember, costs keep coming in. I mean, we didn't just get cost inflation On January 1 and price for these costs have been steadily increasing all year and in fact continue to increase.

Speaker 1

Inflationary outlook has not settled. So there's been a bit of a Yes, we've passed costs through, but there's been a bit of chasing it as costs have continued to Let's go up. I'm going to let Brandon comment on this a little further. Well, sure. I think just the thing I would key in on is There is unlike, let's say, our consumer and our flavors our branded foodservice business, there's not sort of one moment in time Where that pricing is therefore effective in the business.

Speaker 1

And so that's another way to maybe think about it, Chris. And I think just to build on part of your question, certainly supply chain, as we've been talking about quite a bit in the prepared remarks, we're certainly That's fine on how we're looking at that.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you for that. And then just to understand if I'm hearing it properly, but like the pricing should Celebrate in the Q4, it sounds like there'll be again some continued catch up in pricing. I guess that's true for flavor solutions. As I think about consumer, Is that one where we should expect incremental pricing based on what you've announced so far, not asking for anything new there.

Speaker 6

But I also want to understand that maybe how you're utilizing promotional spending there It's a means of trying to attack some of those price gap issues in some areas of the business there.

Speaker 1

I think I'm going to try and unpack that in pieces. We have Been guiding all year and it is and you can see it coming through now and not just in our reported numbers, but also This is Kenner. We would have more pricing in effect in the second half of the year, especially going into the 4th quarter Then we have than we did in the early part of the year. Now we've in the Americas This year, we've taken a number of rounds of pricing that included the most recent one Being here right at the beginning of Q4. And so there is more pricing in effect now, how about our consumer business primarily there.

Speaker 1

And so you can see that coming through now. And really, Other than the contractual windows that we were just talking about in flavor solutions, we largely have our actions for This year in place and we're looking ahead to 2023 now. I think that in Asia, we've got one more round that goes into effect, that's actually this month. But earlier 2022 actions are away. And I gave such a long answer to that, but I forgot the 2nd part of your question, but I'm going to let Brendan answer it.

Speaker 1

So I think where you were going was just looking for some context promotional spending. And I think the context we would provide is as we go into the holiday, We feel really good about our supply. We have a strong program planned for the holiday season as we would every year, But it certainly feels, I think a little bit more robust now compared to let's say 2021 2020 just because we're in a better situation from the standpoint of the overall context in the market. So we are turning back on promotions where we feel So we are turning back on promotions where we feel really confident about supply and we're looking at the holiday season that way. Those choices are not necessarily connected to any pricing decisions we're making in the market, but really to support the business and We're helping to drive the category for our retailers.

Speaker 1

Yes. And I would say that our supply situation on the consumer business going to holiday is the best it's been in the last several years.

Speaker 6

That's great. Thanks for all that context. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Lazar with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Great. Good morning, everybody.

Speaker 5

Hi, Andrew.

Speaker 7

Hi there. Maybe to start off, I think when you had pre announced results for the quarter, one of the factors that you had highlighted In the consumer business was that sort of private label price points at some retailers on shelf had not yet really Sort of moved upward leading to some price gaps that get wider maybe than you'd like or had been anticipated. And if I missed this, I apologize, I didn't know if that You've seen any movement there yet or have heard of any movement that's likely to happen on that front?

Speaker 1

Right. Andrew, no one has asked that yet. I'm glad that you did. It has been only a very short time since we pre announced. And so we don't have a lot of New information on consumer behavior or on retailer behavior.

Speaker 1

I'll let Brendan give some color on that and then I'll take it back. Yes, I think, Andrew, things are largely consistent with what we had discussed or shared broadly Within the last 4 weeks, so we haven't really seen a lot of new information or data. They seem this price gap seem to be kind of holding in the very same range that we talked about before. And but we still are a leading supplier of private label into the category and We're passing those price increases along to customers just as we have on branded products. And that's a retailer by retailer decision, I think on what gets realized at shelf.

Speaker 1

But in the meanwhile, we're still driving a lot of that value programming that we had talked about, Whether it's not only our messaging, but also we're seeing a lot of lift in some of those parts of our portfolio that We tend to drive more value. We offer our offerings are really across the spectrum that would meet consumers' needs. We're seeing growth on the premium end. We're seeing growth on the value end. Parts of our business like Gourmet Garden, which tend to be on the premium end, are actually doing really well In this context, and then we see our value sizes like Superdeal performing very strongly, also off shelf and in the market.

Speaker 1

And then we're introducing more value into the market through this opening price point, Walgreens program and we're also doing that in other parts of our In other markets around the world where we're and many of them were launching resealable pouches that are larger than usual And allow consumers to kind of realize more value that way. But that's the probably the added context I would share since the last month. Yes. And Andrew, it isn't exactly what you've asked, but it gives me you've given me a chance to talk about this a little bit. I want to emphasize that we have in our offering Items for every price point and every retailer strategy and category From the premium end all the way down to opening price points and private label, we spent a fair bit of time talking about The consumer that's under pressure and rightly so, we are concerned about pressure On the consumer, especially the consumers on the lower half, the income spectrum is we want to make sure that our products are accessible And approachable, but the gourmet and premium end of our business is still very strong.

Speaker 1

And sometimes those price gaps can be exaggerated. Brendan mentioned large size and super deal. The Nielsen data is a pretty blunt instrument when it reports unit price, it doesn't catch the fact that some of these value packs are really big and carry a high price point. If you adjust it out, the large size packs that are growing strongly for us Yes, that price gap actually narrows quite a bit.

Speaker 7

That's very helpful perspective. Thank you. And then I know we're running short on time. Just a quick one. Obviously, we're not at a point where you're going to get too specific at all about next year, of course.

Speaker 7

But with sort of the inflection that's starting to happen in pricing, The new cost saves and recover margin recovery actions that you've kind of highlighted today, I guess consensus already has McCormick Sort of getting back to what we'll call more of an on algorithm type of earnings growth next year, particularly as You would deem, I think, a bunch of the things you talk about impacting this year is somewhat more transitory, as you improve them going forward. So I didn't know if there were even just any broad comments around that, whether there's a need you think to lean in right on the marketing side going into next year, Given the whatever the value orientation of the consumer or some of the new product innovations you've got planned or just things larger puts and takes that we should sort of think about As given how I guess the Street has already started to sort of lock in expectations for next year? Thanks so much.

Speaker 1

So I will start with the caveat that we're not going to give any guidance for 2023. Now I've got everyone's Standing around here a little bit, holding their breath, wondering if I'm going to say something rash about that. But so it is a bit early for that and I appreciate the confidence in the investment community that's reflected in those consensus outlook. But there are some big puts and takes and I'll let Mike talk about those. Yes, obviously, I mean, a big wildcard for next year is the inflation environment.

Speaker 1

So we're in the process now Rolling up budgets and things like that, taking a look that drives pricing actions, obviously. Some of the other puts and takes you think about interest expense, Obviously, some of the actions we took this year might be a negative for next year. This cost program we talked about, which we're going to give you a lot more detail in January. So I'd say right now, since there's so many big moving parts, it'd be hard even to give you any guidance about, I mean, frankly, incentive costs to be rebuilt. Right.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Adam Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Yes, thanks. Good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Good morning. So a lot of ground

Speaker 8

has been covered. I wanted to just come back to flavor solutions quickly and just The way you'd characterize kind of the business performance on the strong demand, and I guess I'm trying to volume mix in the quarter was up 80 basis points. And so I'm just trying to get a little bit more color on kind of the pieces within the flavor solutions business because it's not really one business, it's a collection of A bunch of them. It would seem from the way you characterize some areas of strength that maybe some of the higher value flavor businesses We're at or below kind of segment average growth and just A, is that the right calibration and B, just any color on The growth of some of the different pieces.

Speaker 1

I'm struggling to think of a part of it that was weak. We had strong Performance of flavor solutions in that segment across the globe and really all Segments, I'm sorry, all regions and all of the pieces of it. Well, maybe a little bit, Adam, I mean we did talk about a month ago. I mean some of the challenges on flavor solutions this year For cost related to placements rates, we could have sold more. We could have had higher volumes than you noted.

Speaker 1

So I think from that perspective, some of the actions we Talked about getting more capacity will help, but the demand is very strong. Mint is very strong.

Speaker 8

Okay. All right. I just I guess Relative to historical performance of that business, 80 basis points of volume mix growth. And I know there's noisiness in the comps with COVID recovery and it's a lumpy business. It doesn't always usually that business could be stronger than 80 basis points of volume mix.

Speaker 8

So I'm trying to get The calibration option.

Speaker 1

Yes, but it has enormous pricing. On 10% pricing, we're still pretty good by the way.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then just think on quickly on SG and A and you alluded to this in thinking about 23 a little bit, but it would Seem like the way the gross margin and EBIT guidance lays out implied for the Q4 that total SG and A is going to be down High single digits. A, is that kind of the right calibration? And within that, just How much is incentive comp resetting lower or talk about kind of the declines in SG and A dollars that you've seen this year?

Speaker 1

Yes, I mean SG and A, you're right, it's going to be down in the quarter and it's primarily driven by incentive comp. We're also getting higher fixed cost leverage too as you think about it, but yes.

Speaker 8

So is most of that decline in incentive comp as we think about the headwind that would be rolling into next year?

Speaker 1

I mean, we adjust incentive comp every quarter, so I wouldn't take 1 quarter and try to extrapolate the next year.

Speaker 8

Yes. Okay. All right. I appreciate the color. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Our final question is from the line of Peter Galba with Bank of America.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Good morning. Just two really quick ones for me. Maybe just to pick up on Adam's question there. Mike, I just wanted to clarify The operating margin comment for the Q4 of operating margin expansion, that was a year over year comment in the 4th quarter, not a sequential?

Speaker 1

Thanks, both.

Speaker 9

Okay. Okay, that's helpful. And then just broader question on the just thinking about the cost savings for next year, I know we spent a lot of time talking about that. But just as we think about like repatriating production, Surge capacity coming down, normalizing inventory levels like, is there a way to quantify? I would imagine there's probably a volume impact that comes with that.

Speaker 9

You'll get the benefit on the Sai, but maybe there's an offset a little bit at least on top line on volume. Is there any way to quantify that at this point?

Speaker 1

No, I don't think that's what we're saying at all. And I think we've quantified the cost benefit, But I don't think that there's an impact on volume at all. I mean, this is Normalization and that we're going through this year And I don't think that it has an impact. Of course, we're I kind of don't want to get into 2023 guidance, But whatever that would all be reflected in whatever guidance we give for next year. And I do want to emphasize that we spent a lot of time talking about supply chain in our remarks And on and then the Q and A here, but I do want to be clear that what's the most important thing, I'm glad you really processed enough about volume, The continued growing demand for flavor and the strong growth of our business that we're fueling with executing on our strategies and with our Passionate and engaged employees is the most important thing.

Speaker 1

Inflation is a reality and our pricing As caught up with it, we're seeing that coming through in the margins now. You're going to see it, you're going to see us keep caught up And taking actions that are necessary. And then comes supply chain. That's really kind of the 3rd most important thing, Which is to eliminate the excess of costs and inefficiencies that have crept into the supply chain. So I want to keep that in perspective that growth is still at the top of the heap.

Speaker 9

Fair enough. Thanks very much guys.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the floor back to management for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you. McCormick's alignment with consumer trends and the rising demand for flavor, The combination with the breadth and reach of our global portfolio and our strategic investments provide a strong foundation for sustainable growth. We're disciplined in our focus on the right opportunities and investing in our business. We're continuing to drive further growth as we successfully execute on our long term strategies, Actively respond to changing consumer behavior and capitalize on opportunities from our relative strength.

Speaker 1

We continue to be well positioned for continued success and remain committed to driving long term value for our shareholders.

Operator

Thank you, Lauren, and thanks to everybody for joining today's call.

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