Waste Management Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 2, 2022

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by and welcome to the Waste Management Inc. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ed Egl, Director of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Faith. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 2021 earnings conference call. With me this morning are Jim Fish, President and Chief Executive Officer John Morris, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer and Damina Rankin, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. You'll hear prepared comments from each of them today. Jim will cover high level financials and provide a strategic update.

Speaker 1

Gerard will cover an operating overview and Devina will cover the details of the financials. Before we get started, please note that we filed a Form 8 ks this morning that includes the earnings press release and is available on our website at www.wm.com. The Form 8 ks, the press release and the schedules of the press release include important information. During the call, you will hear forward looking statements, Some of these risks and uncertainties are discussed in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10 ks as updated by our subsequent Form 10 Q filings. John will discuss our results in the areas of yield and volume, which unless otherwise stated are more specifically references to internal revenue growth or IRG from yield or volume.

Speaker 1

During the call, Jim, John and Divina will discuss operating EBITDA, which is income from operations before depreciation and amortization. Any comparisons, unless otherwise stated, will be with the Q4 of 2020. Net income, EPS, operating EBITDA margin, operating expenses These adjusted measures, in addition to free cash flow, are non GAAP measures. Please refer to the earnings press release and tables, which can be found on the company's website at www.wm.com

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

This call is being recorded and will be available 24 hours a day beginning approximately 1 p. M. Eastern Time today until 5 p. M. Eastern Time on February 16.

Speaker 1

To hear a replay of the call over the Internet, access the Waste Management website at www.wm.com. To hear a telephonic replay of the call, File 855-859-2056 and enter reservation code 4865,157. Unsolicited information provided during today's call, which is occurring on February 2, 2022, may no longer be accurate at the time of a replay. Any redistribution, retransmission or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the expressed written consent of Waste Management is prohibited. Now I'll turn the call over to Waste Management's President and CEO, Jim Fish.

Speaker 2

All right. Thanks, Ed, and thank you all for joining us. 2021 was another very successful year at WM. Our strong operational and financial performance continued throughout 2021 delivering full year results that achieved or exceeded our financial guidance, which we increased from our original expectations twice during the year. We also successfully integrated the Advanced Disposal operations, generating synergies that have already exceeded our initial with further synergies to come.

Speaker 2

During 2021, we focused on driving disciplined organic revenue growth, Advancing technology investments focused on customer retention and growth and cultivating our people first culture. Execution on these priorities came together to produce record growth in full year adjusted operating EBITDA and cash from operations. It can't be overstated how impressive it is that we generated more than $5,000,000,000 of operating EBITDA in a year like 2021. This robust operating EBITDA translated into all time high cash from operations of over $4,000,000,000 which allowed us to return a record of $2,300,000,000 to Contributing to our operating EBITDA was our pricing where we finished 2021 on a very strong note As we made steady progress uncovering the cost inflation in our business with excellent core price results across all lines of business. John will provide more details here, but we had record core price in both our landfill and residential businesses, 2 areas we've been particularly focused on over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2

Strong core price translated into the best collection and disposal yield that we've seen in more than a decade. Another great story about our pricing efforts is that we're still seeing strong volume growth and improvements in churn. 2021 churn We're fully focused on recovering inflationary cost increases through our pricing programs and through the aggressive management of our cost structure. Our revenue management team is hard at work executing on the 2022 pricing plans so that we can recover the inflationary cost pressures in our business and deliver another successful year. In fact, we've recently seen several large customers who have historically been very price sensitive renew at significant increases.

Speaker 2

On the cost front, a big part of that management of our cost structure will be to materially improve our labor efficiency through the application of the technology investments we made over the last 18 months. Our expectation is to attrit between 5,000,000 and 7,000 positions over the next 4 years without replacement as these positions have become difficult to source and we expect that will continue to be the case. At the same time, we continue to focus on providing the workplace for our employees and leveraging our asset network for growth. Regarding our 2022 financial outlook, Devina will provide more details. But at a high level, we expect to deliver total company revenue growth of approximately 6%, driving operating EBITDA growth 7% in 2022.

Speaker 2

It's fair to point out that both our revenue and our operating EBITDA guidance are at or above The high end of the ranges we targeted for the long term at our Investor Day in 2019. We expect margin expansion in the second half of the year full year operating EBITDA margins expected to be flat to up 40 basis points compared to 2021. This sets us up for another year of robust cash generation. The extraordinary cash generation of our business positions us to plan a 13% increase in our 2022 dividend rate, while at the same time making substantial increased investments in high return renewable energy and recycling projects. Tara Hammer was appointed as our Chief Sustainability Officer last summer, and she's charting a path to an aggressive long term growth for our sustainability businesses.

Speaker 2

In light of our very strong cash generation, we plan to invest approximately $275,000,000 in 2022 to expand our network Our renewable natural gas plants with incremental investments in 2023 through 2025 totaling approximately $550,000,000 We expect to build 17 RNG plants over the next 4 years, which would grow our RNG generation by 6 times. With conservative assumptions, these projects are expected to generate operating annual operating EBITDA run rate Operating EBITDA of more than $400,000,000 by 2026. And at today's higher prices, that operating EBITDA more than doubles. In the recycling business, we expect to invest $275,000,000 in 2022 in MIRV technology with incremental investments in 2023 through 2025 totaling approximately $525,000,000 These investments accelerate our automation of recycling process, processing to reduce costs and improve product quality as well as expand our single stream recycling footprint. Together, these projects are expected to generate annual run rate incremental operating EBITDA of approximately $180,000,000 by 2026, assuming $125 per tonne blended commodity price.

Speaker 2

These growth projects further WM's leadership by increasing the renewable energy generated from our landfill network, expanding single stream recycling capacity and automating recycling processing to reduce costs and improve product quality. They also are expected to generate excellent returns that are superior to those solid waste acquisitions. In closing, we delivered a fantastic year in 2021 overcoming the challenges the year presented. As we look ahead to 2020 We remain committed to advancing technology investments that differentiate us, automating our processes I want to thank all 50,000 of our team members for their contributions. I'll now turn the call over to John to discuss in more detail our operational results.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Our team finished 2021 strong with 4th quarter organic revenue growth in the collection and disposal business of 6.5%, Our 4th quarter core price of 6.7% in the commercial line of business and 5.2% in our landfills clearly demonstrate continued discipline and pricing momentum. These strong 4th quarter pricing results were the leading contributors to robust collection and disposal core price of 4.8% for the full year. 2021 yield was also strong at 3.5% and reflects an improvement in rollbacks of almost 500 basis points as well as continued improvement in customer churn. As we move into 2022, our revenue management teams are focused on continuing to recover inflationary cost increases, Improving residential profitability and remaining disciplined on disposal pricing.

Speaker 3

With the strong momentum we have entering 2022, quarter collection and disposal volume grew 2.8%. For the full year, our collection and disposal volumes grew 3% and service increases outpaced service decreases nearly twofold. Organic revenue organic growth trends in the 1st few weeks of 2022 have been encouraging even if some parts of the U. S. And Canada have seen spikes in Omicron cases during January.

Speaker 3

Commercial yards are tracking above 2021 levels. And while industrial halls are modestly below last year, we see that as mostly due to weather disruptions in a few areas Overall, we expect 2022 collection and disposal volumes to grow about 2% with commercial collection and MSW landfill volumes as leading contributors. Turning to operating costs. Adjusted operating expenses as a percentage of revenue increased 150 basis points year over year to 63% with commodity driven impacts from recycling brokerage rebates and fuel totaling 100 basis points. The remaining increase was related to higher labor costs as over time increased due to the highest number of COVID related absences we have seen as well as some risk management costs.

Speaker 3

During the Q4, our teams remained focused on controlling operating costs. And while the impacts of inflation and the tight labor market continue to put pressure on our metrics, there are positive trends in the 4th quarter results that position us well deliver on our 2022 plan. Maintenance expenses improved sequentially as our continued efforts to standardize maintenance processes, We expect these efficiency gains to continue and overtime hours to improve as our teams are taking intentional steps to improve retention, Productivity helped to moderate the impact of inflationary cost pressure by about 60 basis points versus the Q3. So putting it all together, when you combine our pricing efforts with our progress on cost containment, we expect operating expense as a percentage of revenue to improve by the second half of twenty twenty two. Our collection and disposal business is well positioned to deliver great results in 2022 and so are our recycling and renewable energy businesses.

Speaker 3

As Jim discussed, our sustainability businesses are central to our growth strategy, and we're pleased with the strong results we're achieving in both The recycling and renewable energy businesses. In recycling, each quarter of 2021 earned a spot among our 5 most profitable quarters of all time, and we're anticipating an equally strong year in 2022. Our current outlook for 2022 is based on an average blended commodity price of $125 per tonne, just modestly above current values of $115 per tonne. And similarly, Renewable Energy business delivered a very strong 20 2020 results 2021 results and is expected to match this earnings contribution in 2022 as 2 additional renewable natural gas plants come online. We expect our 5th plant to be operational early in the second quarter and the 6th plant to be online by the end of the year.

Speaker 3

Our 2022 outlook is based on a RINs price of about $3 which is slightly above our 2021 rate, but below current RINs pricing. And finally, our integration of Advanced Disposal continues to go smoothly as we mark the 1st anniversary of the acquisition at the end of October. To date, we have combined virtually all the acquired operations into our billing and operational systems. And with $36,000,000 of synergies captured during the Q4, we exited 2021 on track to exceed our expectations for full run rate cost and capital synergies of $150,000,000 So in closing, I want to thank the entire WM team for their focus on safely and reliably servicing our customers. The team has done an exceptional job managing our operations, and I know that this will continue in the year ahead.

Speaker 3

I'll now turn the call over to Divina to discuss our 2021 financial results and 2022 financial outlook in further detail.

Speaker 4

Thanks, John, and good morning. Our teams worked tirelessly this year to provide essential services to our customers and community, and we're proud of the results we accomplished together. 2021 operating EBITDA growth of 16.5% was achieved by accelerating collection And disposal core price capturing robust commercial collection and landfill volume growth successfully integrating the ADS business and delivering record high recycling profitability. Controlling our discretionary SG and A spending and leveraging technology investments to reduce cost of our sales and back office functions also contributed to the strong EBITDA growth in 2021. In the 4th quarter, SG and A was $481,000,000 or 10.3 percent of revenue.

Speaker 4

Our 4th quarter SG and A costs came in higher than our run rate due to the Timing of some of our technology and sustainability oriented investments. 2021 SG and A was 10% of revenue. That's a 20 basis point improvement over 2020. Over the long term, we target SG and A as a percentage of revenue below 10%. So we're pleased to be nearing that target so quickly after the ADS acquisition.

Speaker 4

In 2021, we captured SG and A synergies from the acquisition and ahead of schedule and started to realize the benefits of our technology investments, particularly by optimizing our sales coverage model, Growing our digital sales channel and streamlining the customer setup process. We're confident that our technology investments We'll continue to deliver value as we differentiate WM and reduce our cost to serve, both on the operating cost and SG and A line. 4th quarter capital spending was $774,000,000 which is above the expectations we had last quarter as we were able to opportunistically accelerate investments in recycling and renewable energy at the end of the year. While we continue to see supply chain constraints, Low delivery schedules and some important traditional solid waste asset categories, we worked diligently to close the year with Strong momentum on capital investment to support growing volumes, particularly in our landfill line of business. Growth in both cash flow from operations and free cash flow were particularly strong in 2021.

Speaker 4

At $4,340,000,000 Cash flow from operations increased 27.5 percent. And when excluding the one time benefit from the required divestitures related to the ADS transaction, our free cash flow grew over 28.5 percent in 2021 to $2,530,000,000

Speaker 5

Over the course of

Speaker 4

the last year, we returned a record $2,320,000,000 to shareholders, paying $970,000,000 in dividends and repurchasing $1,350,000,000 of our stock. We accomplished all of this while achieving our targeted leverage ratio of about As John mentioned, we anticipate organic growth in the collection and disposal business of about 6%, which is the high end of our long term growth targets. This revenue growth outlook drives our 2022 operating EBITDA guidance of $5,325,000,000 At $5,425,000,000 and that represents almost a 7% increase in operating EBITDA at the midpoint. As Jim discussed, we are well positioned to allocate our cash both to growing shareholder returns and to increasing growth capital investments in our Recycling and Renewable Energy businesses. Setting aside the planned growth investment and focusing on the capital expenditures We plan to invest in the normal course of business.

Speaker 4

We expect capital spending to be in the range of $1,950,000,000 to 2 point $5,000,000,000 in 2022. Free cash flow, excluding these sustainability growth investments, is projected to be in the range of $2,600,000,000 to $2,700,000,000 We expect to make approximately $550,000,000 Growth investments in recycling and renewable natural gas projects in the coming year. While these investments will be reported as a component of our capital expenditures and therefore reduce our traditional measure of free cash flow. We see these investments to be similar to an acquisition dollar as they will produce high return growth as a strong complement to our existing business. When considering these growth investments, Free cash flow is expected to be between $2,050,000,000 $2,150,000,000 in 2022.

Speaker 4

Its free cash flow outlook anticipates an increase in cash interest and taxes of $75,000,000 to $125,000,000 and a modest improvement in working capital. Our long standing commitment to a strong balance sheet and consistent and disciplined allocation of available Cash toward growth and shareholder returns continues. Our 2020 priorities will be to invest in the business, grow the dividend, tuck in acquisitions with strong returns and buyback shares. Given the Board of Directors approval of a 13% We expect dividend payments to total about $1,075,000,000 in the year ahead. We also expect to continue our share repurchase program in 2022 as the Board recently provided authorization to repurchase up to $1,500,000,000 of our stock.

Speaker 4

While our guidance does not specifically include acquisition growth, We will continue to be opportunistic in pursuing the right deals at the right price. In closing, we are proud of what we achieved in 2021 and we're excited about the opportunities that lay ahead for 2022 and future years. Our team is hard at work so that we can deliver on our commitments to our customers, Communities, the environment and shareholders. With that, Faith, let's open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you, ma'am. Again, your first question comes from the line of Noah Kaye from Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. Lots of places fruitful for questions, but I guess we should start with the announcement around the Increased investments in sustainability. And specifically, I'd like to understand how you're approaching the economics On a long term basis of these RNG investments, it seems like there is an awful lot of upside and downside in just Having the economics fairly exposed to the prices of RINs and given the scale of the investment that we're contemplating and having and the exposure to the EBITDA of those RIN prices. And how are you thinking about potentially derisking that over time. It does seem like there's a market for long term contracts in RNG.

Speaker 6

And while that would significantly haircut, Potentially the RNG EBITDA versus what you projected, you'd be getting more certainty. So I guess at a high level, how should we be thinking about that and How it impacts the predictability of earnings for the company?

Speaker 4

So Noah, I'll start with some comments about how we approach The volatility, and then I'll turn things over to Jim so that he can cover the strategic overview with regard to how we're thinking about this portfolio. In the renewable energy space, we currently and expect to continue manage the volatility by looking both At the very short term market driven prices and then long term those attractive long term contracts that you mentioned. So we participate on both ends of the spectrum and I would say almost anywhere in between and we'll continue to assess What's best in order to both reduce volatility, but then also optimize the returns of the portfolio and what you can see outlined In the press release that we provided, we're really happy with the return profile and the payback period. When you see a 3 year payback period At the conservative levels that we've assumed that indicates that even with the incremental volatility we know the returns outpace

Speaker 2

Yes. I think just to add to that on the strategic side, Noah, I think There really isn't I guess I'll state this way. We have 4 critical capabilities that nobody else has That enable us to really have confidence in these investments. Devina talked about how we mitigate risk. But as we think about them strategically, We have a team that's been doing this since 2015, and they know how to scale these plants across the whole portfolio.

Speaker 2

We have an asset that nobody else has, which is the amounts of gas that we own. Nobody else can bring that to the table. We have the biggest CNG fleet in North America and that enables us to fully close the loop And leverage the fleet to monetize the RNG. And then lastly, we've got the balance sheet. So If you look at all 4 of those, this made a ton of sense for us to accelerate investments in 2022 Out through 2025, I don't think anybody expects that over the next 3 years that we're going to see significant downside And RINs pricing or for that matter natural gas pricing.

Speaker 2

But if there is, we built in conservative estimates and still come up with these very strong returns that Devina referenced.

Speaker 6

That's very helpful. Thank you. And then my second question is just around labor or really around people. You've talked for many years about really making Waste Management employer of choice, not just in the Waste Management Industry, but amongst all companies. And now that you're really embarking on a program of attrition and automation and increased efficiency, I guess, How do you approach the challenge at the same time of remaining that employer of choice and continuing to make positions at Waste Management attractive Increasingly constrained labor force.

Speaker 2

I think you used the right word there, which is attrition. I mean, we're not talking about Announcing a big layoff next week, we're talking about using high turnover. This whole great resignation as we've heard, We've been talking about that for a while now. And you've heard me talk about my daughter saying in her In our high school class, nobody wants to drive a truck or operate a piece of heavy equipment. So this is not something that just came to us In the last 3 months, we've been focused on it for a while.

Speaker 2

We built out those 3 single stream plants, which we've discussed at length, and those have provided a significant labor benefit to us. So as we started thinking about it more, We saw other buckets of opportunity. When we look at moving, for example, from traditional rear load, we have, Call it, 3,000 rear load trucks available to shift to ASL. And those rear loaders probably driven more by safety than anything else. It's a safer vehicle that ASL, but there's a labor opportunity there in a category that's very difficult to fill, particularly in today's world.

Speaker 2

I mean, It's hard to get somebody to ride on the back of a truck and throw trash. So we've got some categories here where we feel like we can really use attrition To our benefit, become much more productive from a labor standpoint. And it's part of why I'm maybe never been more optimistic than I am today, coming off of 2 pretty rough years, maybe as rough as any of us will see in our lifetime. And now all of a sudden looking at a 'twenty two where we can really start to leverage those investments we've made in technology in those buckets where we have transactional type jobs that are really hard to fill. I don't think this affects what we've tried to do with the culture.

Speaker 2

The culture is still absolutely being a great place to work. We've done a tremendous amount of benefits, offering to pay for college education For dependents, which I don't think any other company out there does. So we still feel very good about the fact that this is a great place to work, but where we have high turnover, let's take advantage of it.

Speaker 6

Makes a lot of sense. Thanks so much for the color.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Revich from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone. Jim, I'm wondering if we could just expand on the offtake part of Conversation you just had, so 22,000,000 MMBtu of gas is going to come online. How much of that do you anticipate Going into transportation applications where it will be eligible for RIN 3 credits.

Speaker 7

And how deep are your conversations with industrial gas Customers that won't be using Win 3 credits, can you just talk about how that market is evolving And how deep that market might be at this point?

Speaker 2

Might be giving me more credit here on a pretty technical question. I guess I would tell you that and I'm not going to give you a very technical answer because I just don't have the expertise, but we can definitely get you an answer But if we look at the one thing that I mentioned was our fleet and having that fleet that's over 70% of our routed fleet is now natural gas. That number came down a bit when we bought ADS, but we continue to buy 90% of the trucks each year as natural gas trucks. So So it does give us a chance to sell those credits and fully close the loop. It also paints a nice sustainability picture for us That Tara and the entire WM team are able to leverage.

Speaker 2

I'm not sure I can answer the more technical aspects of your question there, but hopefully that gives you a little bit of insight.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then if we just pivoted talk about the yield outlook, so nice to see the acceleration for 2022. I'm wondering, can you talk about how you expect the cadence to play out? On the last call, you spoke about bigger commercial and industrial price increases Coming once we annualize. So does that mean we should look for yield to accelerate as we head through the course of 2022, so exit rate higher than 4%.

Speaker 7

Can you just put a finer point on how you expect that dynamic to play out?

Speaker 2

I think if you look at the year over year comps, the comps will certainly be easier purely from a price standpoint in Q1 and Q2. And then we started just to kind of get our sea legs a little bit in Q3 and Q4. As we saw inflation, I would tell you that, that inflation that we started to see in Q3 did catch, I think, the entire world off guard. But We know what they expected coming into the year that we'd have 40 year high inflation. So Q3 was playing a bit of catch up.

Speaker 2

Q4, we started to really Catch up. But there is a lag in terms of how much pricing we can get to cover inflation. And honestly, we probably We'll be happy just to get to a point where we cover that cost. That's why the labor aspect is so important Because we're attempting to raise margins here and add EBITDA dollars, and I'm not sure we do that Purely through pricing. In fact, I would argue that pricing we think can be the primary offset to inflation.

Speaker 2

But in terms of adding EBIT dollars and adding margin points, we think the labor pieces is a critical aspect of that. To kind of talk about where it goes for the rest of the year, I mean, I would tell you that that's and I think John and I both talked about it in our prepared remarks, but The fact that we're seeing landfill pricing and I gave an example of a couple of disposal customers that took pretty substantial price increases Who previously had been very, very price sensitive. And I think they that told us that they understood They're seeing inflation in their system. And so we needed to take significant price increases on those big landfill customers. Josh talked about residential for a long time, and we're finally starting to see that residential is showing Mass improvements on the price front.

Speaker 2

So I'm happy that we're seeing this across all lines of business. To me, that is Maybe the best sign in terms of pricing is that we're seeing this not just in the commercial line of business, But we're seeing it across all lines of business and all waste streams. Our special waste, if we look at our special waste and we look at just Our baseline, we were up 7.9%, I think was in our base business pricing in special waste. That doesn't really go into our yield numbers. So because it tends to be event work, but that's a big increase.

Speaker 2

So we're happy with the progress we're making on price. I don't know that, that really spells out where we're going to be each quarter. Suffice it to say, we're going To have easier comps in Q1 and Q2 though.

Speaker 7

I appreciate the discussion. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Tyler Brown from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 4

Hi, Devin.

Speaker 8

Hey, Divina. So it looks like margins fell about 140 basis points year over year here in Q4. Any way that you could kind of unpack some of the moving pieces. I mean, I think ADS closed in late October, as John mentioned. So that impact Seem to be maybe watered down a bit on a year over year basis.

Speaker 8

And I would think that commodities were a help. Can you just talk about what was really working hard against you?

Speaker 4

Yes, sure. So commodities actually worked against us in the Q4 by 100 basis points, which is what John remarked to you in his prepared remarks. So that's the recycling brokerage part of our business as well as fuel. And we expect that both of those impacts would continue into the first half of twenty twenty two. When I look at the remaining components of the 4th quarter, there were about 90 basis points of impact to margin in the quarter that aren't Our run rate and so that's what gives us confidence in our outlook for the 28 0.1% to 28.5 percent EBITDA margin in the year ahead.

Speaker 4

Achieving 28.1% EBITDA margin in this year, Integrating the ADS business and having the significant cost inflation that we had in the second half, we're really pleased with. We know that We have additional margin expansion opportunities, particularly with ADS Synergy realization That ramped in the back half of the year, so we'll see that continue into 2022. We had some incentive compensation headwinds On a year over year basis, those actually on a year over year basis were more significant than we expect Just in the way of rollover benefit in 2022, that rollover benefit could be as much as 40 basis points next year. So all in all, what I would tell you with respect to margin, when we compare WM's margin to industry Finishing this year at about 30% is a real accomplishment because that's been a target that we've all talked about for a long time. And using both recycling brokerage and the impacts of accretion that our adjustments For the rest of the space, we came in at exactly 30% for the full year and 28.9% for the quarter.

Speaker 2

Tyler, I mean that's helpful. I know you asked a margin question, but I have to say, I guess time will tell whether investors are as optimistic We are about this, but

Speaker 9

I got to tell you,

Speaker 2

I mean 2021, I mean, I don't need to tell you what it looked like, but at no points in our lives that we've seen in 2021 where we're having hand to hand combat with a pandemic and at the same time seeing 40 year inflation. And with that, we still raised guidance twice and but for a couple of Kind of one timer type expenses would have finished in the middle of the almost in the middle of the range for that EBITDA guidance. I was actually Stunned that we were able to work our way through 2021. And then when we look at 2022, looking at our guidance, You remember the Investor Day in 2019 and that's why we referenced this. But putting guidance out there that's at the top end of that range.

Speaker 2

By the way, if you remember that presentation, we had 3% to percent inflation in that 2019 presentation when we said that the range would be 5% to 7% for EBITDA, long term range and we're coming out with guidance 7%. And that's also the baseline that we raised twice In a kind of a crappy year in 2021. So that's why we're as optimistic as we are and we'll see whether the market feels the same way.

Speaker 8

Yes. No, no, definitely strong. But just going back to again, kind of not to harp on margins, but You talked about them. It sounded like you were maybe implying contraction in the first half and then expansion in the back. But just for our modeling and so that we can kind of get the quarterly flow right, I mean, should we think something like down 100 basis points in the first half and then up maybe more than that year on year in the back half or just any color there?

Speaker 4

Yes, Tyler. So if you look at the year over year comp, Q2 of 2021 in particular is a really tough Comparison because that quarter we had 29.3% margin. So what you outlined just now is exactly what our projections are. We'll be down about 100 basis points in margin on a year over year basis in the first half of twenty twenty two and 100 basis points to 140 basis points in the back half of the year.

Speaker 8

Right. Okay. So a great jumping off point 23. Okay. And then just my last one here, on the recycling side, Jen, so the $800,000,000 spend, How much of that is for automation versus new MRFs?

Speaker 8

And to be clear, the 180,000,000 EBITDA uplift, so 60 to 70 of that is from labor savings, is that right? And the other 120 to 130 is just from increased material flow?

Speaker 2

Yes. It might be a little bit more on labor. I don't know. We just had this meeting the other day where we talked about how much of this is going to be new plants versus Rebuilding, both of them have really high payback really or really low payback periods, really high returns. So, they're both great investments.

Speaker 2

And we're the good thing is we're not really constrained on the on In terms of cash, so we can probably it's less about eitheror and more about and. We just want to make sure that we're as on those new markets, we're Taking the right markets, I know Brent Bell and his team are looking closely at that. And then with respect to the labor savings, the number that we're giving is That we've talked about is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 to 1200 positions over about a 4 year period. So

Speaker 9

If you kind

Speaker 2

of take the high end of that and you call it, I don't know, let's say $75,000 all in and keep in mind, some of these are a lot of these are temps. So we get charged a different number than they actually make. So let's say $75 all in that may or may not be the right number, But you can use that kind of to do the math. And that's probably where most of these 5 to 7 are. We're not talking about $200,000 jobs here, but the high turnover, the high attrition That we see in those jobs, really, I think is makes this the absolute right move to move away from those, Particularly in a time where we have such a hard time filling those positions.

Speaker 8

Yes. No, totally makes sense. All right. Appreciate the time. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang from CIBC. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my question. If I could just maybe ask the investments you're making in These high growth areas, it looks like your renewable energy projects will generate roughly double the returns of So just wondering, what are the gating factors that wouldn't have you accelerate investments in renewable over recycling? If I just think Of $1 and one giving you double the return of the other?

Speaker 2

I think we've given a lot

Speaker 1

of thought to this.

Speaker 2

And I think The cadence that we've laid out internally is the right one. I think we mentioned 17 plants and that's a lot. So these things Are complex. There are some questions, I guess, around supply chain and how much does that Lengthen the amount of time that's necessary to build out these plants. But the acceleration we think is appropriate for all the reasons that we mentioned.

Speaker 2

Do we accelerate it further? I don't know that we do. I think we have the right amount of plants Planned in the right places. We've looked at where the right places would be, what landfills will be feeding them, all of that. But I'm comfortable with the plan that we've laid out.

Speaker 4

And I think what's important is that the teams that are working on

Speaker 2

this are independent and not constrained by one

Speaker 4

another, right? So we're And not constrained by one another, right? So we're able to work on both things in parallel and move 2 really important parts of our business forward Simultaneously and they each have great returns and returns greater than we're even seeing on some of our core solid waste acquisitions, which makes us Really confident in making these investments at the same time.

Speaker 2

But I mean adding to Vina, adding $100,000,000 in EBITDA, I mean, and we've talked a lot about that. And that is at these for very conservative numbers. So $400,000,000 in EBITDA For the existing plants plus those 17 new plants is a lot. And that's why I mentioned in my remarks that look if you Extrapolate it out at today's natural gas and RINs pricing, it's not $400,000,000 it's north of $800,000,000 So I think The amount of plants that we've planned is appropriate.

Speaker 10

No, that's a fair point. The returns across All these projects seem to be very high. Maybe sticking on this topic, if I look at your free cash flow guide, including the spend just over $2,000,000,000 Dovina, you talked about targeting just over $1,000,000,000 on dividends. You did renew The buyback for up to $1,500,000,000 If I put that all together, does that suggest something about the M and A pipeline that maybe you're seeing Either a deceleration in opportunities or maybe the regulatory environment in the DOJ just make it tougher for you to maybe execute on deals or the Timeline of those deals get pushed out. Just is that something that we should be reading into based on some of these investments you're making?

Speaker 4

Yes. I would tell you that we're certainly not taking our eye off the ball or the amount of focus that we have as an organization away from core solid waste acquisitions. And we're not seeing significant constraints with respect to DOJ pressure or anything like that outside of what we discussed when we were closing the ADS transaction. For us, during the integration of ADS, that was the top priority for our organization, particularly in that part of the country. And for us that was over half of the areas that we oversee.

Speaker 4

And so It was really important for us to make that priority number 1 from an M and A perspective. The team is definitely looking at the and participating in conversations as you see some of the smaller players Make decisions, we've always talked about the driving forces in their decisions and this tight labor market has certainly Been an accelerant for them and so we're part of those conversations still focused on that. We are going to Remain disciplined in terms of return and so buying at the right price is what will be important for us.

Speaker 10

Thank you. I appreciate taking my questions.

Speaker 8

Yes.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Hoffman from Stifel. Your line is

Speaker 5

open. Hey, Houston. Hope things are good down there. Can we go back to RINs for a second? Are you taking 100 percent ownership of the 17 or are you partnering?

Speaker 2

At this point, the plan is 100 percent ownership of the 17.

Speaker 5

Fair enough. And you can't do a financial hedge on RINs yet. Maybe somebody will figure out how to create that. But in lieu of that, are there other creative ways to develop a hedging approach to the RIN because Everybody has been alluding to are you trading one volatility for another having fixed recycling to this. So what's the opportunity there?

Speaker 4

The opportunity there really is on those long term contracts that I mentioned earlier and we continue to work Very diligently in that space and have had some good success and we look for those long term contracts to be an appropriate balance to market exposure so that we do have an appropriate level of volatility without giving up too much of the upside potential.

Speaker 5

How long is long?

Speaker 4

Some of them have been more than 10 years in life.

Speaker 5

Okay. Jim, what's your deep Washington, D. C. Staff telling you about EPA and the messaging they have around the RFS and the RVO? Because that's the greatest point of volatility.

Speaker 5

If they move that around wrong, that crushes the demand side and you can't control that. So what are they telling

Speaker 2

I think our the good news is that they have their finger on the pulse up there. It's just the pulse seems to be A little bit erratic, I guess. I would tell you that there is like CCRs, I mean coal combustion residuals, Which have been discussed within the EPA longer than some of the other items, are that is an area that we really See the opportunity starting to develop. And we like the pipeline is kind of 40,000,000 ish tons, over $1,000,000,000 for us in the next 4 years. And then things like PFAS.

Speaker 2

PFAS is we've always talked about that as an opportunity for ourselves. But there's a lot that is being discussed. I'm not sure we've seen the full consensus, maybe is the best way to put it, on a lot of those topics with the exception maybe of Full ash and some of those have been talked about longer.

Speaker 3

I think, Michael, the other thing we're watching is a small refinery exemption, right, because that's also been part of what's market and there's been some commentary there. There's nothing decided yet, but to the extent that, that they extinguished some of the exemption there, I think that obviously bodes well.

Speaker 5

Well, and the good news is in December, EPA set an outlook for 2022 and 2023 that seem to recognize don't Compromise whatever you do with the exemptions by setting too many the numbers too up. So that seemed to send a good signal for at least the next 2 years. If we could shift to price, what's the early reaction to the 5.5 average core price? A year ago at this time, The customer was taking more price and we ended up with a better outlook on price. What's the current early reaction to the 5.5?

Speaker 2

I think probably the best indicator would be in our churn numbers. I mean, and I mentioned the churn was at an all time low there. So I think the reaction is that people understand that inflation is real, that it's out there in the economy And that we're being judicious about how we apply it, but we're attempting to recover our costs. And look at that's been no easy task. We've seen a pretty heavy hit from labor inflation, particularly in Q3.

Speaker 2

That started to Come back down to earth a little bit in Q4, just simply because we've taken a lot of those adjustments already. But I think, John, the number was almost 100,000,000 And adjustments for 2021.

Speaker 3

Yes, slightly over. Yes.

Speaker 2

So I think the reaction has been reasonably accepting, Michael.

Speaker 3

I would add Michael to that our most labor intensive line of business, Jim talked to the automation benefits and the path which we're heading down with regard to residential. But You've seen the sequential improvement at residential core price and yield. You've also seen some of the volume degradation. We're going to continue to be selective there, especially in this kind of labor environment, which We don't see a short term. So we look at that price and labor trade off as good for the shareholders.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then so if I then Look at the volume side, would you say you're still seeing new business growth helping that? Or is this still mostly service interval upgrades of existing?

Speaker 2

I think it's some of both, right? John talks a lot about Service increases versus decreases, there's I think it's almost like by a factor of 2 higher on service increases. So it's a bit of both, Michael. I mean, I mentioned probably the most forward looking volume that we have, the revenue stream that we have Would be in special ways. And I think what that portends for the economy is a good is that we don't see A big downturn in the economy coming even with the inflationary pressures.

Speaker 2

Our special waste pipeline looks Really good. Our special waste in Q4 was really strong. And so the only areas that we saw that were weak were really driven by difficult year over year comps. I mean, Roll off volume was flat, but it was because it was not because we're and it wasn't something for us to be concerned about, Simply because 2020 had a lot of fire volume in Northern California and also a lot of you remember the late hurricanes that hit the Gulf Coast Last year, and so there was a lot of volume from that. So without that, we would have seen a much more positive number in roll offs.

Speaker 2

I think volume looks To be a bit of both of those, still kind of an emergence from COVID, and which is kind of the service increase, service decrease piece, But also, growth of the overall economy.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then to clarify the M and A question, how would you frame The corporate development pipeline, is it busy? And then is it a reasonable you're not modeling this, but is it a reasonable thing that you can Participate in the ongoing consolidation at 1% or 2% rev growth, which is a little less than the underlying organic growth of the industry.

Speaker 2

I think we'll always focus on we'll always have our eye on M and A. And where there's opportunities, we'll try and take advantage of those. But at the same time, we don't want to overpay for these. So we're careful there. But It doesn't look like the M and A landscape has changed that significantly.

Speaker 2

But we just felt like as we looked at Somewhat of a capital allocation decision here with respect to these big incremental investments in renewable natural gas And in Recycling, that the returns on those were better than the returns for solid waste acquisitions. And while the cash generation of the business has been tremendous, it's not an infinite bucket. It's a finite bucket. And so therefore, We feel like we will invest more heavily there. But again, with M and A, to the extent that an opportunity arises and we feel like it fills A GAAP, we'll explore it.

Speaker 4

And then Michael, on from a planning perspective, our 2022 guide Does not include any rollover benefit from M and A. The solid waste acquisitions were only about $40,000,000 in 2021 and divestitures We had a larger impact. So from an outlook perspective, the 2022 guide doesn't specifically contemplate anything from acquisition contribution.

Speaker 2

That's a great point, Devina, because when I I've talked about that 7% EBITDA growth number at the high end of that long term range. But that is almost 100% organic. I mean, we're not talking about a big rollover from acquisitions. We had very little in the way of acquisitions, solid waste type acquisitions in 2021. So that 7% It's in the face of still pretty significant inflation, but it's at the high end of that range, which is why we're talking about it.

Speaker 5

So you've mentioned 2019 several times. The world's changed a lot since 2019. Do the assumptions need to be revisited?

Speaker 2

Well, we'll see. I mean, you might argue that the assumptions need to come down after the last 2 years. But yes, I mean, at Investor Day in 2019, we talked about what the world had been for the last 3 or 4 years, 4 or 5 years even, And which was pretty low inflation, so we built low inflation into those EBITDA and revenue ranges. We may decide after 2022 or 2023 that the world has changed sufficiently enough To have another investor today and to talk about different ranges.

Speaker 5

Okay. Last one for me. John, you've been focused diligently for couple of years now improving the resi margins, what's left? Is there much left? Or have you pretty much done that and now it's just maintaining?

Speaker 3

We're not done, Michael. I mean, I think when you think about this labor environment, right, from where we started to where we talked about the world changing a lot, well, the labor world has changed a good bit. We talked about that in our prepared remarks and a bunch of the question and answer period. So I would tell you that the goal line there has moved a little bit, right? The rate the labor intensity of that business higher than the others.

Speaker 3

We still have automation opportunities there and the margins there are still not competing with commercial and industrial. So As much as we've made terrific progress, we've seen some additional pressure, especially in the back half of the year on wages inflation. If you think about the impact Of Omicron in Q4, I mean all those things, I think we still have a good bit of opportunity there.

Speaker 5

All right, great. Thank you for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

Michael. Michael.

Operator

Your next question is from Kyle White from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to go back on you talked a little bit about in terms of the special waste pipeline, but just wanted to take a step back and talk more broadly about the economy At a high level, what you guys are seeing, obviously, a lot going on with the market, but housing is doing well, while maybe consumer sentiment spending is weakening. Maybe just any notable details that you'd point to at a high level and how it impacts your business given that you have exposure throughout the broader economy.

Speaker 2

So Kyle, I think the challenges that we're looking at in 2022 are largely going to be inflation and maybe to a lesser degree, This labor challenge that it feels like a long term challenge and hence the need to really become more productive from a labor standpoint and the 5000 to 7000 That will attrude away from the business that we plan to replace with technology. By the way, what I didn't mention is we saw some of that in 2021. We've talked a lot about these investments we've made in customer service digitalization. And so in 2021, as maybe somewhat of a Test case, we fully automated our customer setup function. It was not a huge number of jobs.

Speaker 2

It was maybe 200 jobs, so about $7,000,000 in savings. We did something similar with some of our we call it sales optimization. So we've gone through a piece of it and then of course Some of what we saw with recycling, we've gone through a piece of it. But I would tell you that in general, we see and we hope to see 2022 be a much Quieter year than the last 2, hard to be noisier than the last 2, I guess.

Speaker 11

Yes, we'll see. Time will tell. In terms of the rise of Omicron late in the quarter and into January, did you see any impact on your volumes from this? I think in the prepared remarks, mentioned maybe I think Canada, I know it's a small exposure, but just any impact from the horizon of Omicron?

Speaker 3

Yes. It was Kyle, It was really spotty. I mean, it wasn't it was more of an impact on our overtime and our ability to service our customers. There were a few pockets you referenced Canada where it's A little bit of unique circumstance up there in Eastern Canada, a little bit of volume impact there, but generally speaking, no.

Speaker 2

We did see we talked about the fact that we had as many I think the number we gave was 800 employees in Q3 At the peak, who were out with either the virus or some exposure, and so therefore, they were quarantined. So 800 out of 50,000. Omicron, fortunately, it seemed less serious, but definitely more contagious. And so and that showed up in our numbers. The peak was 1500 And probably, John, half of those were drivers, so more than half.

Speaker 2

So if there was any good news about it, it was that it happened in December, January, which are slow volume months for us, as opposed to the peak from Delta, which was in August And early September, and those are our peak months for us in terms of volume. But right now, we're seeing those numbers come back down Pretty dramatically.

Speaker 11

Got it. Appreciate all the details.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Hamzah Mazari from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Good morning. Thank you. My first question and I know you touched on the margin side, but I just had a follow-up on just operating leverage. As you had said, right, you hit 30% margins, but basically margin expansion still seems pretty low relative High single digit organic growth. Could you maybe just talk about is and I understand labor inflation, etcetera.

Speaker 12

Could you have been more aggressive on pricing earlier on the discretionary side? I know the CPI side sort of resets kind of first half, second half. So that's kind of point 1. And then second point, Is your labor turnover higher than your peers? Because it seems like your peers are getting margin expansion on similar organic revenue growth.

Speaker 12

So I'm just curious whether you could have been more aggressive on price earlier

Speaker 4

I'll start on the margin commentary. Pricing, I think with respect to our pricing activities, What you saw was a much more significant and acute change in the cost environment In the Q3, across the U. S. Economy, right, whether or not our competitors saw those impacts, I observed their 3rd quarter results as well. And so what I would tell you is that what we saw is that we were taking active steps with our employee base to be sure that we were curbing the impacts of turnover that were happening across the economy.

Speaker 4

From a margin perspective, I definitely don't think that you should take away from our 2020 results Any indication of a plateau, instead what we know happened in 2021 is 2 things. 1, we were integrating the ADS which had a 400 basis point lower margin base than the WM business. And so we knew that would have pressure on our margins And then secondarily, we saw that acute labor inflation cost hit us in the 3rd quarter with a very prompt response, really late in Q3, early in Q4 from a pricing perspective that you saw provide really good margin cover In the Q4, to the point earlier, that provided about 60 basis points, both from a price perspective and efficiency perspective, A benefit on a sequential basis going from Q3 to Q4, and we think some of that sequential improvement continues into Q1, Where pricing activities will continue as we've mentioned before.

Speaker 5

I was

Speaker 3

just going to say, Hamzah, I think if you heard what Devina commented on earlier about how we'll see that margin improvement kind of in the back half of the year. But if you assume that we're seeing some margin pressure in the first half and you do the math to get to the second half of the year, I It really gives you a certain level. It tells you about our level of confidence about what's going to happen with margin. I think on your CPI point, I mean, we think about 2.5% is what for the full year next year. And as Jim mentioned earlier, some of that a good chunk of that comes is in the residential Revenue line and we see that the biggest lift for residential in July.

Speaker 3

As far as turnover, I can't comment on the others. What I can tell you is we've had a very concerted Effort and process that we've put in place, we are pleased with what we're seeing. It's obviously not a trend you fix overnight, but since August, we've seen improving acquisition and retention numbers. So when you look at a net basis, we are making headway in terms of those we're bringing on and those we're retaining.

Speaker 2

I think I mean, Hamzah, real quick. First of all, with respect to turnover, I don't know what the other guys' turnover is. I can't really compare. I would tell you, if they're not seeing any inflation in their business, then they're operating in Antarctica because the whole world is seeing inflation. Pricing, the our core price is 5.2% for Q4.

Speaker 2

And you might say, well, you guys aren't very good at covering inflation because inflation was more like 6% And we were only showing 5.2% core price. We're not getting there. But as we've talked about, there is a lag. Could we have been more aggressive? I don't know.

Speaker 2

I mean, boy, this thing came out of nowhere. I don't think anybody expected it. So I'm happy with the progress we're making. We've made a of progress sequentially between Q3 and Q4 and we'll continue to see that in 2022.

Speaker 12

Got it. Very helpful. And my follow-up question is on the investments. More specifically, around Execution risk, you have the 17 RNG plants. I think you said you're going to take 100% ownership.

Speaker 12

Do you have the bench strength and engineering talent to sort of execute on that? I'm assuming you're not JV partnering on this. You mentioned a bunch of accelerated recycling and automation investments to Again, great paybacks and you mentioned the EBITDA ramp, but just help us think through execution risk. I know historically, Jim, when you were CFO, WM had made a ton of investments. I guess this was a long time ago, right, waste to energy ethanol plants, oil fields, then the company sort of refocused back to the core.

Speaker 12

And now this is sort of a new phase of investment, but it is definitely very much Sort of in your core wheelhouse, RNG, recycling, etcetera. But just help us think through execution risk as you execute on all these different initiatives going forward.

Speaker 3

So, Hamzah, I'll start with recycling. I mean, if you look at where recycling was 3, 4, 5 years ago, We charted a path to make that business compete from an investment and return standpoint with other lines of business. And even with the commodity tailwinds, even when you look at commodities were down, we were improving on the margin on that business. So and then if you look forward, I don't think we have a we have total confidence in our ability to execute On the recycling side, I think we've demonstrated that even when commodity prices were not the tailwind they were with this fee for service model we've talked about. So I think we've got backstops on the recycling side.

Speaker 3

In terms of the team we have in place to be able to build and operate these recycling plants, we're the biggest recycler in North America and we do I We do this better than everybody else. On the WMRRE side, I think what Jim said is right now, we're assuming 100% of the risk we've got optionality and Damina talked Some of the other backstops we could potentially put in place down the road in terms of the commodity risk. In terms of the execution, Jim mentioned we have the fleet and we have a team That's been in the RNG business for a bunch of years right now. So to me, this is less about execution risk. It's really just about giving Tara and that team the resources They need to go faster.

Speaker 2

I mean there's been no shortage of potential suitors, Hamzah, on the RNG business for us. But at this point, we feel good about doing it on our own, but we have we still have optionality.

Speaker 12

Good. Got it. And by optionality, you mean that you could potentially bring in somebody? Is that what you mean?

Speaker 2

If we wanted, sure. I mean, one of the assets that I talked about, one of the four things we bring to the table is The asset itself, I mean, we have more landfill gas than anybody else. And so those four things, I think, are really what differentiates us In this foray into RNG that we think is going to be hugely valuable for us. So we talked about $400,000,000 at very conservative numbers, Could be as high as 800 or more. So we like our position.

Speaker 2

But yes, that's the answer is that optionality means if we wanted to partner up with somebody, we could.

Speaker 12

Got it. Thank you so much.

Operator

Your next Question is from the line of Walter Spracklin from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Yes. Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. So you liken the growth initiatives to acquisitions and also kind of framed it as growth. And my question, I guess, is on How much and I'm going to use the word cannibalization, but it's probably the it's not the right word for it.

Speaker 13

But how much to the extent that you might have invested in Either growth CapEx over the next 4 years or your investment in acquisitions over the next 4 years Might have come from or been impacted by your decision to deploy capital in these areas. Were they at all affected? Or is this something that is completely 100% incremental And therefore, capital that, let's say, would have gone back to investor returns is now because of the return potential is now being allocated to this. Is it complete? In other words, do we open our models, our long term models?

Speaker 13

Do we add that EBITDA dollar the complete level of dollar EBITDA to our year for those years, those out years? Or is this something that might have been also built into what we would have otherwise modeled in terms of M and A and or growth CapEx.

Speaker 4

Yes. So the easy answer here is that it's Not a trade off for us. So this is not taking the place of some other investment that we otherwise would have pursued in the way of growth or M and A. For us, this is incremental. And for that reason, in terms of how you think about it in looking at our long term growth outlook, This is incremental to that long term growth outlook that we've outlined.

Speaker 13

Okay. That's fantastic. I appreciate that. On the customer on pricing and the impact on customer churn, every day seems to be a new day in terms of how What the level of pricing is that's passed on? My question is, is there any incremental change even as of As we enter the New Year, as you go back to those customers with the price increases, as fluid as it seems to be that all sectors and all services and all goods Manufacturers seem to be able to pass on price.

Speaker 13

Is there any level of churn that is coming a little More than expected, is there any behavior among your competitors that's shifting at all, again, not so much in the 4th quarter, But in recent trends that would suggest that customer churn may be picking up a little bit here with the higher pricing.

Speaker 3

I would tell you, Walter, as you look at our momentum into Q3 and Q4, what we see in the outlook here, what we've talked about for 2022. I believe I asked that exact question of our revenue management team about once a week. And the short answer is no. I think the receptivity of Just about all of our customers, they understand that inflation is real, that it's not going away. And we're trying to be thoughtful about it.

Speaker 3

One of the comments I didn't make Taham's question was really trying to take a customer lifetime value view of our base and being obviously we have As Devina said, some acute inflationary headwinds that took everybody a tad off guard. And while we're doing our best to recover that as quickly as we can, we're also is also the long game too. And I think that's when we're going through the modeling, customer lifetime value is certainly something we're factoring in there. And I think you're going to see that continued momentum throughout 2022. I don't think from a I haven't seen other than what I commented on some of the selective Revenue decisions we're making in residential, the receptivity of the customer base has been pretty consistent.

Speaker 2

I think also, Walter, worth mentioning here, I honestly can say I have no idea what the competition is doing other than what they publicly talk about on their calls. So it's not something we really pay attention to. We have a certain cost structure that we're trying to cover, and so that's how we focus our price.

Speaker 13

Yes. My question on competition is at the ground level, are you seeing competitors taking customers with a little less price than you're bringing on the table, but it sounds like that's not the answer. I really appreciate the yes, go ahead.

Speaker 2

Yes. It's always a competitive business. So I mean, are there competitors out there that are taking customers? It's a very competitive business. We have cities where we have a dozen competitors or more.

Speaker 2

So I think the answer to that is yes. That's just part of what we deal with day in and day out. But I don't really focus on it because I feel like we are we have a really solid robust plan in place with respect to all of these Financial aspects and pricing is a big contributor.

Speaker 13

Okay. You've been very clear and direct with your answers. Really appreciate it. Thank you for the time.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Walter.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Sean Eastman from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 14

Hi, team. Thanks for fitting me in. So you guys have said previously sort of that 50% free cash flow Conversion is a sustainable level. It looks like you're guiding to close to that in 2022 when you back out the accelerated investments. So I'm just trying to think longer term, going into 2023, do we think about 50% underlying conversion and then maybe assume Sustainability investments remain elevated.

Speaker 14

I mean, any kind of color on where that $550,000,000 goes and that underlying

Speaker 4

Yes. So on that 50% target remains our goal and we were Happy to accomplish that in 2021. And you're right, from a guidance perspective, we're kind of right at the bottom end of that Targeted range. When I look at the longer term outlook, you're exactly right from a sustainability project perspective With the outlook we gave for 2023 through 2025, you can expect that that elevated level of growth investment will continue through that period. And that would be treated similarly to how we provided our guidance in 2022.

Speaker 4

When I look at the contributing factors, we think that there's more work that we can do on working capital optimization. EBITDA growth continues to be that long term outlook of 5% to 7% that we've talked about. So we'll certainly continue to revisit that As we see, different factors contribute to, both the headwinds and tailwinds of the business as appropriate. So one, I can't really comment on because it remains a big question mark and we can't predict it is the future of cash taxes And whether it be the corporate tax rate or look at bonus depreciation impacts, Those things could put some downward pressure, and that's just too hard for me to predict. But with regard to the things that we can control, We're going to continue working to not just hit that 50% benchmark, but try and improve it from here.

Speaker 2

It also depends too, right, Devina, on The free cash flow obviously is a piece is one of the two numbers there. And if you look at our free cash So excluding those growth types investments, then your ratio is right at 50%. If you look at the way we define it, which is Pulling CapEx out and this is as we've talked a lot about today, those growth investments in RNG and recycling, We're essentially kind of making a capital allocation decision and spending extra CapEx. So the free cash flow guidance that we're giving is technically in that $2,000,000,000 ish or a little bit more than that range. If you use that number to calculate the ratio, then it ends up being under 50%.

Speaker 2

If you use That the free cash flow number that we typically would report as a range of 2.6% to 2.7%, then you're talking about something that's 50%. So There is a little bit of math in that, that needs to be understood.

Speaker 14

Yes. Okay. Great clarification there. And just shifting over to the technology investments, just in the context of WM's other levers To combat cost inflation beyond the pricing programs, obviously, you've talked a lot about automation. We've got the back office IT efficiencies.

Speaker 14

How is that reflected in the 2022 margin guidance? And I guess I'm trying to just think about the juice you guys have there going into

Speaker 3

Yes. I think, Sean, I think, Jim, we all spoke to it. I mean, it's about making the labor pool that we have more efficient, right? And Using technology to replace some of these transactional jobs that frankly we're having a hard time filling. But that's more of the operating side.

Speaker 3

If you look at it from a revenue side, we've a lot about the technology we've installed in our operations and one of those is the technology we put on trucks. And if you look at the No service increases and decrease in some of the revenue growth we're seeing in commercial in particular. We think technology is Part of the reason that's happening, we've automated a lot of those processes where the folks behind the wheel don't have to worry about whether they have to take a picture, send a picture, and that's all done with the technology and data and analytics team we have. So it's not just the operating side. We are also seeing the investments we've made in what we call smart truck as one example, Sales coverage optimization, which is really about getting more efficiency out of our sales force, which I think is also contributing.

Speaker 3

Those are a couple of examples where the technology is actually helping directly on the top line. In terms of the margin juice?

Speaker 4

Yes. I would tell you, when we look at margins, the one place in the business that we specifically see technology showing up other than What John has already mentioned, particularly on the top line is on the SG and A side and our SG and A margin For 2022 are expected to be below the 10% that we accomplished in the current year.

Speaker 2

So Sean, one last thing here, and I know we're A little bit of a long winded answer here, but to John's point, he talks about our data and analytics. So our team, our data and analytics team is in the process of fully optimizing. They're working on a specific line of business, so fully optimizing the roll off line of business and the number of permutations there. There's a massive Amount of data, they've built an engine there and now they're in the process of kind of rolling this out over a period of months. But it will fully, fully optimize the ultimately all collection lines of business.

Speaker 2

Right now, we're working on roll off, but imagine all the data that goes into this. It's got road information, it's got driver data, it's got traffic, it's got customer data containers, all kinds of stuff. The number of Calculations is a ridiculous number. It's got like 17 zeros behind it. So it's a ridiculous number.

Speaker 2

But what it does for us is Get to a point where we can fully, fully optimize these lines of business. And then you start Talking about it the way maybe an Amazon talks about it and probably nobody else with respect to optimizing these routes, We think there's a huge productivity pickup there. So what we haven't talked about are some of the driver turnover That we'd love to be able to take advantage of. And this is one of those avenues.

Speaker 14

Yes. Interesting stuff. Thanks, guys. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Your next question is from David Manthey from Baird. Your line is open.

Speaker 15

Thank you. Good morning. You've covered a lot here. But just a question on recycling automation investments. What percentage of your recycling volumes are processed by your single stream facilities today?

Speaker 15

And then what could that be by 2025? And Just if I can understand, do these investments include adding more facilities or are they just about expanding capacity and improving productivity of the existing 40

Speaker 4

So we'll get you the information, Ed and Heather will be sure to circle back with you in terms of the percentage of our tonnage Covered by the single stream network. Sorry, we don't have that at our fingertips. But with regard to the investments that we're making, it's More heavily weighted toward automation, but we will be exploring new markets and expanding our single

Speaker 2

Some of the new market investments, as we heard the other day in an internal meeting, was that It might be a city where we don't have a presence, but we do have a presence in a city that's 150 miles away. We feel like the better of the 2 would be actually to go to the city to the south And close down the facility in the City of the North. So there's a bit of a strategic decision there too. It's not always just where do we have underserved markets and how do we add capacity there.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Michael Feniger from Bank of America.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Yes, I know it's been long, so I'll just ask a quick one. When we think of your core price of 5.5% and yield 4% for 2022, that's very strong. Can you just help us what's embedded for the cost inflation for 2022? Jim, in Q3, you gave us great color around the acute inflation.

Speaker 9

You mentioned, I believe, it was like 7% on some lines of business. I'm just curious What that should look like year over year as we think of 2022 versus 2021? Thanks.

Speaker 2

4% to 5% inflation is what we built in, Michael. So and that's why we think that we do get to a point where we're able to cover that With pricing and then a lot of the margin growth comes from places like automation and removing some of these transactional type positions.

Speaker 9

Got it. And just lastly, Jim, just on the CPI side, it depends on when you look at CPI because You can get half the year of the COVID type of CPI, while the other half of this really high inflation CPI prints. So I guess just when I think about CPI running through your book of business, is it mostly really 2nd half or even like a 2023 is when we'll see these like really robust CPI prints kind of come through the system. What's the timing on that?

Speaker 2

I I think you nailed it there, Michael. It really is probably second half of twenty twenty two because a lot of these, as we've discussed, a lot of these Contracts, PPI adjustments have a 12 month look back. So it won't fully capture this pretty aggressive ramp up in inflation until we get to July or even January of next year, you may recall, we talked about almost 70% of the adjustments that we take happened in the front half of the year. And so the ones that we just took in January, which I forget what the exact percentages are, but the big 2 months for adjustments are January July. And the one we just took in January, to the extent that there's a 12 month look back, it's not going to include a whole lot.

Speaker 2

It's going to include maybe 3 months of the big inflation ramp. Next year, it will include 12 months. And so the further we get into the deeper we get into the year with these adjustments, The more they will include just a big ramp up in place.

Speaker 9

Perfect. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Mike.

Operator

There are no questions over the phone. I will now turn the call over to President and CEO, Jim Fish.

Speaker 2

All right. Well, thank you. Long call today, but I think hopefully, you felt we gave some good details. Thank you all for joining us. We're very excited about Finally coming into a year where it feels like we're going to have a bit quieter year.

Speaker 2

And so thank you all for joining us, and we look forward to seeing you out on the road.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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