Amazon.com Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Day, everyone, and welcome to the Amazon.com Q2 2022 Financial Results Teleconference. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Today's call is being recorded. For opening remarks, I will be turning the call over to the Director of Investor Relations, Dave Pfauz.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Hello, and welcome to our Q2 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. Joining us today to answer your questions is Brian Olsavsky, our CFO. As you listen to today's conference call, we encourage you to have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as metrics and commentary on the quarter. Please note, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons in this call will be against our results for the comparable period of 2021. Our comments and responses to your questions reflect management's views as of today, July 28, 2022 only and will include forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

Actual results may differ materially. Additional information about factors that could potentially impact our financial results is included in today's press And our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks and subsequent filings. During this call, We may discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. In our press release, slides accompanying this webcast and our filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our IR website, You will find additional disclosures regarding these non GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures with comparable GAAP measures. Our guidance incorporates the order trends that we've seen to date and what we believe today to be appropriate assumptions.

Speaker 1

Our results are inherently unpredictable and may be materially affected by many factors, including uncertainty regarding the impacts of the COVID-nineteen pandemic, fluctuations in foreign exchange rates, Changes in global economic conditions and customer demand and spending, inflation, regional labor market and global supply chain constraints, world events, the rate of growth of the Internet, Online Commerce and Cloud Services and the various factors detailed in our filings with the SEC. This guidance also reflects our estimates to date Regarding the impacts of the COVID-nineteen pandemic on our operations, including those discussed in our filings with the SEC, Our guidance also assumes, among other things, that we don't conclude any additional business acquisitions, restructurings or legal settlements. It's not possible to accurately predict demand for our goods and services, and therefore, our actual results could differ materially from our guidance. And now I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Speaker 2

Thank you for joining today's call. Before we get to questions, I'll make some comments about our Q2 performance And the outlook for Q3. Let's start with Q2. During the quarter, we saw improvement in many of our key operational metrics, including in stock levels and delivery speed and saw a subsequent step up in consumer demand. For the quarter, worldwide net sales of 100 and $200,000,000 exceeded the top end of our revenue guidance range and represented an increase of 10% year over year, excluding approximately 320 basis points of unfavorable impact from changes in foreign exchange rates.

Speaker 2

This was a larger foreign exchange headwind than the 200 basis point impact we had incorporated into our Q2 guidance. As a reminder, our revenue growth accelerated to over 40% growth from the period between May 2020 May 2021. While demand has remained strong, the lapping of this high growth period depressed our revenue growth rate for the following 12 months ending in May of this year. Our growth rates going forward will no longer require this historical explanation. Q2 of last year was also when vaccines have become more available, particularly in the United States, and we began to see more normal shopping patterns.

Speaker 2

Prime Day also occurred in Q2 last year and contributed about 400 basis points to our Q2 2021 year over year revenue growth rate. This year's Prime Day sales event occurred on July 12th 13th and is incorporated into our Q3 guidance. As the impacts of the last 2 years are normalizing, we're happy with how we've served customers and how they've responded. Our compound annual growth Since the start of the pandemic stands at 25%, a growth rate higher than what we were seeing prior to the pandemic. Prime members have meaningfully increased their spend since the start of the pandemic.

Speaker 2

Over that period, we've seen stronger usage of Prime benefits by Prime members and a greater reliance on Amazon for their shopping and entertainment. We continued to improve the customer experience in Q2, including quarter over quarter improvements in delivery speed and inventory in stock levels. We've also moved quickly to adjust our staffing levels We have slowed our 2022 and 2023 operations expansion plans To better align with expected customer demand, while there's still work to be done, we made good progress in Q2. Our Prime membership program remains a key driver of our worldwide stores business, and we continue innovating to make the membership even more useful and valuable. That includes the upcoming premiere of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on September 2 and exclusive access to NFL Thursday Night Football Games Starting September 15th.

Speaker 2

Our seller community also had a strong Q2. 3rd party sellers represented 57% of all units sold on Amazon in Q2, the highest percentage ever. Selling partners help to expand the selection we can offer customers, Well, fulfillment by Amazon provides sellers the ability to offer fast delivery. Operating income was $3,300,000,000 in the quarter, above the top end of our guidance range. Last quarter, I discussed several cost pressures facing our worldwide stores business, inflationary costs, Fulfillment network productivity and fixed cost deleverage.

Speaker 2

Recall that these amounted to approximately $6,000,000,000 of incremental costs in Q1 when compared to Q1 2021. We've made solid progress in reducing these costs. For the 2nd quarter, incremental costs were in line with our At approximately $4,000,000,000 when compared to Q2 2021. Inflationary pressures remained at elevated levels in Q2, similar to what we saw in Q1. These include pressures from higher fuel, trucking, air and ocean shipping rates, which we expect will continue into Q3.

Speaker 2

We made strides to improve fulfillment network productivity in Q2. Staffing levels were more in line with rising Q2 demand and we saw better optimization of our fulfillment network. On the transportation side, we continue to improve delivery route density and improve package deliveries per hour. We're encouraged by the progress during the quarter and see opportunity to further improve in the second half of the year. Lastly, the year over year negative impact of fixed Cost leverage was relatively consistent with Q1.

Speaker 2

There are 2 main drivers when talking about fixed cost leverage. First is the unfavorable comparison And second is the normal step down in volumes off of our Q4 On the second point, we expect fixed cost leverage to improve in the second half of the year as we continue to grow into our capacity. We've also taken steps to slow future network capacity additions. Let's turn to AWS. We saw another strong quarter of innovation Our net sales were $19,700,000,000 in Q2, up 33% year over year and now represent an annualized sales run rate of nearly $79,000,000,000 AWS continues to grow at a fast pace We believe we're still in the early stages of enterprise and public sector adoption of the cloud.

Speaker 2

We see great opportunity Continue to make investments on behalf of AWS customers. We continue to invest thoughtfully in new infrastructure To meet capacity needs, while expanding AWS to new regions, developing new services and iterating quickly to enhance existing services. Developers at organizations of all sizes, from governments and not for profits to startups and enterprises, continue to choose Amazon Web Services. Companies like Delta Airlines, Riot Games, British Telecom and Jefferies Investment Bank to name a few announced new agreements The service launch is supported by AWS. AWS operating income was $5,700,000,000 in Q2.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, this includes a portion of our seasonal Q2 step up in stock based compensation expense. AWS results include a greater mix of these costs, reflecting wage inflation in high demand areas, including engineers and other tech workers, as well as increasing technology infrastructure investment to support long term growth. Now let's talk about capital investments. As usual, we will discuss the combination of CapEx plus equipment finance leases. In 2021, we incurred approximately $60,000,000,000 in capital investments.

Speaker 2

About 40% of that is comprised of technology infrastructure, primarily supporting AWS as well as our worldwide stores business. Another 30% of the $60,000,000,000 was fulfillment capacity and a little less than 25% was for transportation. The remaining 5% was comprised of things like corporate space and physical stores. For full year 2022, we do expect to spend slightly more on capital investments than last year, but the proportion of capital spending shifts among our businesses. We expect technology infrastructure spend to grow year over year, primarily to support the rapid growth and innovation we're seeing with AWS.

Speaker 2

We expect infrastructure to represent a bit more than half of our total capital investments in 2022. For the worldwide stores business, we've continued to moderate our build expectations to better align with customer demand. We expect the fulfillment and transportation dollars spent on capital projects to be lower in 2022 versus the prior year. Finally, I'd highlight a few additional items. We reported an overall net loss of $2,000,000,000 in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 2

While we primarily focus our comments on operating income, I point out that this net loss includes a pre tax valuation loss of $3,900,000,000 which is included in non operating expense from our common stock investment in Rivian Automotive. In the U. S, we have started making Deliveries using the Rivian Electric Delivery Vehicles. This rollout is the start of what we expect to be thousands of EDVs in more than 100 cities by the end of the year and 100,000 vehicles across the U. S.

Speaker 2

By the year 2,030. Additionally, note that all of our Share and per share information included in our financial materials has been retroactively adjusted to reflect the 20 for-one stock split, which was effective on May 27. We also provided our Q3 financial guidance as part of our earnings release. Again, a reminder that this year, our Prime Day sales event occurred on July 12th 13th and is incorporated into our Q3 guidance. Prime Day occurred in Q2 in 2021.

Speaker 2

For revenue, note that our guidance includes an estimated approximately 3.90 basis points of unfavorable impact from year over year change in foreign exchange rates. The estimated FX impact to operating income is not significant. Our 3rd quarter operating income guidance range is $0,000,000 to $3,500,000,000 This compares to Q2 operating income of $3,300,000,000 This Q3 guidance assumes we see approximately $1,500,000,000 in quarter over quarter sequential cost improvement in our fulfillment network operations, which we expect will be largely offset by investments in AWS and additional digital content for Prime members. For AWS, these quarter over quarter increases are primarily driven by higher infrastructure investments to support continued strong customer growth, including larger depreciation on a growing fixed asset base. We also expect increased energy costs as we continue to see volatility in utility prices around the world And operating our AWS data centers.

Speaker 2

Quarter over quarter increase in digital content primarily relates to new prime video content in

Operator

At this time, we will now open the call up for questions. Our first question comes from Brian Nowak with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 3

Thanks for taking my questions. I have 2. The The first one, Ryan, I wanted to just talk a little bit about the bridge from 2Q to 3Q EBIT guide a little bit. It sounds like you're going to have revenue up nicely. You talked about The efficiencies of the $1,500,000,000 quarter over quarter, some of the incremental investments in content, etcetera, where are the other areas where you're Investing more to grow and is any of that associated with merchandise margin or step ups in discounting?

Speaker 3

That would be the first one. And the second one is kind of going back to your comment about you slowed 2022 and 2023 operations expansion plans. How should we think about the fulfillment in transportation CapEx sort of looking into the Q4 into next How far ahead of this build have you gone through for the last, call it, 9 months? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure. Thanks, Brian. Let me start with your second question. So, in any particular year when we're spending capital, a good portion of it, We estimate about 40% this year is being spent in support of warehouses or transportation capacity That will be opening up and effective in 2023 and beyond. So there's always a pre spend to keep the Again, the pipeline moving, so when we make adjustments to the time horizon, The impact is not as great as you might expect in the year 2022.

Speaker 4

But again, we have moved things out and capital is coming down in those areas as we just mentioned. We'll just have to keep you posted as we go quarter to quarter on what our expectations are. On the bridge to Q2 to Q3, So again, you have the mentioned 3 items, the ops improvement that we see of $1,500,000,000 and offsetting that is Increased costs in AWS, as we build out depreciation. We also are adding continuing to add people in that space, Product engineers, sales people, customer support, speaking more broadly, we know AWS is a huge opportunity. It's early days in the adoption curve for companies and governments and we invest With that confidence in mind and customers have responded and we're going to keep investing there.

Speaker 4

Your comment on discounting, We're not seeing some of the pressures that other people are seeing right now. Our macroeconomic issues are principally on inflation and We've been pretty transparent on that. I think the new thing this quarter is additional pressure on Energy, electricity rates in our data centers because of the ramp up in natural gas prices, if you've seen that. So That's probably the new information and then the other inflationary factors, well, some of them are coming down slightly. There's Still significantly a penalty year over year.

Speaker 4

Other cost pressures are principally on our cost of employees. If you look at Our stock based comp is a percent of revenue. It's gone up 150 basis points quarter over quarter as we stepped up from Q1 to Q2. We see that pattern every year, but we want to see that magnitude and that's where a lot of our wage inflation is for, particularly our technical employees. So there's a certain amount of conservatism always built into this because we are in a very difficult Macroeconomic state potentially, again, it's not we're not seeing it hit our businesses directly.

Speaker 4

In fact, we're seeing strong Growth in sales through the quarter in Q2, but we're cognizant that things could change quickly and We'll see and monitor and that's how we set our forward guidance.

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Anmuth with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Brian, I wanted to ask about AWS.

Speaker 6

Some of your peers in the cloud space have talked about Some slowdown in booking rates just as customers take longer to work through deal terms and duration. So if you could Comment on whether AWS is seeing similar dynamics. And then also when you think about margins, the 35% for AWS in 1Q going to 29% in 2Q. What are some of the puts and takes that we should think about going forward, just given decreasing server life benefits and tougher macro environment. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure, Doug. I'll start with second question. So on margins in AWS, yes, as you mentioned, it is dropping sequentially. The Margin rate is going to fluctuate in this business. It's going to be always a factor of new investment in things like the sales force and new regions and infrastructure capacity offset by infrastructure efficiency gains that we see, Pricing issues, as we extend contracts, we've seen really good progress With our customer base, longer and longer commitments, really committing to the cloud, some of that comes with Credits to help them make their conversion to the cloud.

Speaker 4

And you said that the revenue pattern can be and the margin on that revenue can Fluctuate quite a bit quarter to quarter, but see a lot of strength in the business right now. We're very happy with the growth rate, I'm happy with the adoption of the cloud. As you hit a potential Rough patch in the economy, I think the last time we saw this was back in 2,008 ish. And it's hard to draw lessons from that, but we did notice that, it did help our cloud business at the time because, Again, when you're trying to launch a new product or service and you have to face with building your own data center and getting capital for a data Building yourself or moving to the cloud and essentially buying incremental infrastructure capacity, the cloud computing really shows its value. We're prepared, just like when the slowdown in 2020, we are prepared to help customers optimize their costs and we'll help them any who are scaling down, but we'll also, again, continue to find new customers in new industries, including government agencies and happy with that.

Speaker 4

And if you look again where our investment has been over the last Few years in the growth of our sales force and our sales support, it is showing benefits and we expect that to continue. On your sorry, your other question was, is that it?

Speaker 6

Just about current trends In terms of booking,

Speaker 5

getting rates margins.

Speaker 4

Got it. I blend it into one answer. Hopefully that covered what you were

Speaker 5

And yes, and Doug, just to pile on to that too. I mean, I think just Yes. The longer term vision that Brian talked about here, we're right now with 84 availability zones. So that's 26 geographic regions, And we've got plans for to launch 24 more of those availability zones across, 8 regions. And this is Australia, Canada, India, Israel, New Zealand, Spain, Switzerland, U.

Speaker 5

A, it's a lot of different spots. And so I think continuing To focus on building out the customers, working on that pipeline and building longer commitments, finding customers that are making longer commitments It's really important to that. And just to that point, I know the backlog figure that we've discussed in the past and disclosed on a quarterly basis in our filings, it's Up 65% year over year or about 13% quarter over quarter and the weighted average remaining life of those Long term commitments that we're talking about here continues to grow. So it's at about 3.9 years on a weighted average remaining life basis. So again, Good a lot of good work, a lot of still good opportunity out there to come.

Speaker 5

And as Brian talked about, we're working hard in many facets Investing in that to make sure we're in good position to serve folks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Sheridan with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe 2 parter on the advertising business where you saw Continued strength. Is there any way to give us an update of how much of the advertising services line at this point is driven by North America E Commerce versus International E commerce and how you think about the relative growth rates in advertising going forward between North America and international? And the second part would be Away from the e commerce driven parts of advertising, how are you feeling about the positioning and the investments you need to make around things like Connected TV And programmatic advertising where from the outside in, it looks like you're continuing to make greater levels of investment and increasing your exposure to a wider array of advertising products. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Great. Hi, Eric. Thanks for your questions. I would say on the geographic Split, we haven't broken that out. The majority of advertising revenue is in North America.

Speaker 4

But having said that, we are making great strides in international as well. And we're also, as you mentioned, expanding our array of advertising products from our consumer websites to video opportunities, Twitch and others. Dave, did you want to take the second part of that? Yes. I think it was Eric, it

Speaker 5

was your question around kind of the interactive work. I mean, we've got one of our main priorities Building relevant and engaging ad experiences. And so, we of course introduced interactive ads last year for streaming video content, things like Freevee. We've got Amazon Music's ad supported tier as well for audio ads. So looking for opportunities like that where customers Can more easily engage with brands while streaming content.

Speaker 5

So I think there's a lot of good opportunity For that, but it's great, video advertising, as you mentioned, it's still early in that space. It's increasingly becoming mainstream and viewing Behaviors have really shifted away from some of the more traditional cable or kind of traditional viewing and advertisers are using Our ad supported content to reach those viewers. So things that are ongoing, we've talked about around Freevea, around Twitch and then of course some Thanks. We're obviously excited about our Thursday Night Football and Amazon Streaming TV Ads capabilities that we're going to continue to Work with these partners and work with our own kind of technology capabilities to keep building out.

Speaker 4

Eric, I'll just add a little more on advertising, You're probably wondering again about softness potential for softness in that or macroeconomic factors. Right now, we still see strong advertising growth. Again, it's got to be a positive both for the customer and for the brand. I think our advantage is that we have Highly efficient advertising. People are advertising at the point where customers have their credit cards out and are ready to make a purchase.

Speaker 4

It's also very Measurable, and when people are looking at your companies are looking to potentially streamline or optimize their advertising spend, We think our products compete very well in that regard. In addition to maybe longer term things like brand building And brings new selection to bear in front of customers.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. If I can ask 2, so you called out just the 3P mix Being at kind of highest level, maybe talk about your focus to increase the mix to 3P and how that fits into plans for improved efficiency? And then secondly, on international, how much of the weakness in the margin sequentially was FX driven?

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Let me start on your first one. So, I challenged the premise a little bit there about Incenting mix, I believe that is how I interpreted your question. Different as to whether some customer buys a 3rd party or first party product from us. What We're all about, obviously, is price selection and convenience. And 3P particularly helps us with selection.

Speaker 4

And when it's part of FBA, it can also help as being more Prime eligible and available to ship in 1, 2 Days or whatever the prime offer happens to be. So, we're happy with the selection that we've It's added from 3rd party sellers, and I think that shows in the percentage mix that you see. We're proud of the investment we've made to build tools and products that allow sellers to be successful on our site and it's a great partnership and it's worked really well. Sellers and vendors are also some of our larger advertising customers as well and helps that advertising helps them Surface new selection to our customer base. So, it's a very strong partnership and it's been getting And I think you'll see also that they had a very big part in our Prime Day earlier this month.

Speaker 5

Jason, on your second question related to the international and the profitability there reported, there's Foreign exchange exposure there on that segment with the operating income, there's included in there about $231,000,000 of Unfavorable impact to that segment included in that $1,700,000,000 loss for the quarter. Just looking Broadly speaking, what's going on with that business and the losses that we're seeing there in the investments, I think it's It's important to remember it's early in many of our international countries, particularly in some of our emerging or more recent launch countries, places like India, Brazil, The Middle East, there are others as well, of course, but where we've been operating, in many of those cases, considerably shorter than The tenure we've had in the U. S, in our established international locations, U. K, Germany, Japan, over time, we've continued It will improve the profitability of that business as we build out and establish stronger customer relationships and work on the cost structure and how we serve folks. A lot of that, of course, is driving improvements through our key pillars with price selection and convenience and working with vendors on commercial terms.

Speaker 5

In our emerging locations, there's a healthy amount of investment we've done to drive expansion, and we expect to continue to do that, given the strong Competition across many of these markets and that's investments in Prime Video, not just in some of the flagship shows That are kind of sourced here in the U. S, but also you've seen us continue to push for opportunities for in country and local language, Video content that resonates with customers and can be a meaningful reason people sign up for the Prime program, engage and renew. We're also investing depending on the regions and kind of the local structure infrastructure for lack of a better term, whether it's building out payment methods, 3rd party transportation services, even in some cases, the Internet and the telecom infrastructure. So we're playing a role along with others. It's not just us investing in ways to create and enable that infrastructure to be successful.

Speaker 5

So those are some of the opportunities and challenges that As you think about kind of where we are in the U. S. Versus international, that are out there, the network complexities, of course, there are some Regulatory hurdles and other differences out there, but we think it's important to continue to invest in those opportunities and learn from what we're Not just to what we've done in the history with the U. S, but also in many of these countries and keep that flywheel spinning and continue to serve customers in more efficient ways.

Operator

Our next question comes from Youssef Squali with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you. I have two questions. One, can you discuss the impact, the price action you took on Prime, on merchant fees, etcetera, had on Retention during the quarter and do you feel that that's enough to offset, the inflationary pressures And then on Buy With Prime, I know it's early, but how do you see the rollout of this initiative from it being by invitation only today to All merchants using FBA to off Amazon merchants, etcetera, and just kind of the implications on broader implications on the business from that initiative. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Sure. Thank you, Youssef. So first on the let's take them one at a time. So on the prime fee increase Earlier in the year, we're happy with the results we're seeing in the Prime program. Prime member Membership and retention is still strong.

Speaker 4

I think that change has been above our Expectations positively. And I think the benefit of the program continues to get better and better. And as I mentioned, in stock has never been higher. Delivery speed is increasing. So not to mention a lot of the New content, especially on the video side, that will be coming in the fall.

Speaker 4

So we feel good about the program and the state of the Prime members after a very rough couple of years of pandemic turmoil, and we think it's good base to build upon. So On the seller fee, again, we added that fee grudgingly in May to compensate for Some of the inflationary pressures we're seeing, I don't want to give you the idea that either of those fee increases came close to covering our costs. You can see from our operating results, some of it's internal related, but a lot of it's external factors that there We are not passing through that at 100 percent to external groups. And it's we've got to work our way out of the Condition we're in and we're making good progress in Q2 and expect to keep pressing on that in the second half of the year. But saw strength in the seller results in Q2, as we mentioned on the percentage mix.

Speaker 4

So I think sellers are seller business remains strong and an integral part of our customer offering.

Speaker 5

Youssef, this is Dave, on your buy with Prime question. Yes, I mean, right now, it's allowing U. S.-based Prime members shop directly from merchants on the online stores and it's what they experience they expect and kind of come to expect with Amazon. That's The fast free delivery, the seamless checkout and free returns on orders that are eligible. It is Right now, the program is available, as you mentioned, invitation only for merchants that are already using FBA, and it will expand throughout this year As we'll extend more merchants to invite and participate in the program.

Speaker 5

It's we're Interested in learning and working with FBA sellers that we've known and had good trust with, but also expanding. And I think as you think about it, merchants, They obviously have a lot of choices on where they're going to sell products. And we have a long history of empowering and helping merchants. We've invested a lot in tools and capabilities and of course the delivery capabilities and all the things that go along with that. But that's an opportunity for us to support Merchants who may or may not be FDA sellers with the tools and the opportunity just to sell their products online and Scale their business and build their brand.

Speaker 5

And so, I'm really excited about, of course, getting to be able to launch this program over the last few months and Dialing it up for more sellers as the year progresses.

Operator

Our final question comes from Stephen Ju with Credit Suisse, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you. So Brian, I think you just reported a quarter on quarter decline in headcount, which was By design after what happened last quarter, but it won't be too long before you are gearing up for the holidays. So how do you think the environment It's going to fair for you to be adding headcount. And also, the stock based compensation came in below, where you had guided for the Q2.

Speaker 9

So is this a matter Not hitting the hiring goals you were hoping for? Or do you think the environment for the hiring of technical and engineering talent is losing up a little bit? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure, Stephen. Thank you. On the headcount, yes, I think it was more as we mentioned last quarter, Last year in excuse me, in Q1, we added to give you a flavor for it, we added 14,000 Workers in Q1 prior year we had reduced our net headcount by 27,000. So we We're pretty transparent about the fact that we had hired a lot of people in Q1 for the coverage of the omicron variant. Luckily, that variance subsided and we were left with a Higher headcount position, we've that has come down through adjusting our hiring levels and normal attrition And it's pretty was pretty much resolved by the end of April or early part of May.

Speaker 4

So, that is dominating the quarter over quarter And headcount, I would note that we're still up 188,000 year over year and nearly double The headcount of what we had heading into the pandemic in early 2020. So, you're right, there will be adjustments to that as we move forward into More holiday level demand. Right now, we see a stabilization in the workforce. I think we see Good hiring rates. And so, I think we remember, it was a very difficult labor period in the second half of last year And it didn't, it arrived kind of quickly out of nowhere.

Speaker 4

So we're certainly diligent on that and And making sure we have a good workplace in an environment that will attract employees.

Speaker 5

And Stephen, on your just your question on stock based comp, as you mentioned, we do utilize restricted stock units or RSUs as our Primary mode is equity compensation. And as we always remind you, employee annual RSU grants do occur in the And as a result, we typically see a step up in the SBC expense from Q1 to Q2. And of course, you saw it This time around, the growth in the line is impacted overall also on the step up by continued headcount. We've Growing our workforce over the last few years and as Brian talked about hiring in a number of areas of the business, including engineers and other tech workers and there's some component of the wage inflation as we look to continue to hire and retain employees there. In terms of The coming in at the 5, little over $5,000,000,000 for stock based comp, the main driver was there was primarily driven by fewer employees Stock awards are vested excuse me, fewer employee stock awards were vesting in Q2 than we expected.

Speaker 5

Thanks for joining us on the call today and for your questions. A replay will be available on our Investor Relations website for at least 3 months. We appreciate your interest in Amazon and we look forward to talking with you again next quarter.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for your

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