Southern Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 27, 2022

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Tommy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to The Southern Company Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.

Operator

I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Scott Gammel, Investor Relations Director. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Tommy. Good afternoon, and welcome to Southern Company's Q2 2022 earnings call. Joining me today are Tom Fanning, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Southern Company and Dan Tucker, Chief Financial Officer. Let me remind you, we'll be making forward looking statements today in addition to providing historical information. Various important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward looking statements, including those discussed in the Form 10 ks, Form 10 Qs and subsequent filings.

Speaker 1

In addition, we'll present non GAAP financial information on this Call. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measure are included in the financial information we released this morning as well as the slides for this conference call, which are both available on our Investor Relations website at investor. Southerncompany.com. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Tom Fanning.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Scott. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today. As you can see from the materials we released this morning, We reported strong adjusted earnings results for the Q2, meaningfully ahead of the estimate provided last quarter. The economies within our Southeast service territories remain strong, and we believe we are well positioned to achieve our financial objectives for 2022. Before turning the call over to Dan for a more detailed look at our financial performance, I'd first like to provide and update on the recent progress at Plant Vogtle Units 34.

Speaker 2

The projected completion timeline forecast for both units remains within the ranges we provided the last two quarters, although at the end of those ranges. At Unit 3, we continue to progress with all necessary systems turned over from construction to testing, all inspection records related to Itax complete and its submittal of 51 Itax since our last earnings call, including 2 which were just filed this morning. 2 iTAKs remain outstanding. Concurrent with our final ITAC submittals, we plan to submit the all ITAC complete letter to the NRC for Unit 3. This submittal should position us for receipt of the historic 103 gs finding from the NRC a few weeks later, documenting that license acceptance criteria for Unit 3 have been met.

Speaker 2

Upon receipt of the 103 gs finding from the NRC, no further NRC findings are necessary for Southern Nuclear to load fuel or begin the startup sequence. Receiving the 103 gs letter is an important milestone, but there's still more work to do before we load fuel. In the weeks ahead, we will be focusing on testing and surveillance, demobilization, finishing work and documentation. To support an in service date at the end of the Q1 of 2023, We will need to complete this work and load fuel by the end of October. Turning to Unit 4, Direct construction is now approximately 96% complete and progress continues in advance of cold hydro testing and hot functional testing.

Speaker 2

Electrical production, in particular electrical terminations, continues to be a key area of focus. We continue to add resources on-site for this work and we have a plan for transitioning electrical field engineers from Unit 3 as we continue our focus on increasing productivity and ensuring first quality, first time to support the upcoming testing and long term operations. Timely Unit 3 fuel load and startup along with a sustained improvement in Unit 4 electrical production Over the next several months is necessary to support our December 2023 in service objective. Moving now to cost. At the end of the second quarter, Georgia Power recorded an after tax charge of $39,000,000 including replenishment of contingency and estimated incremental co owner sharing impacts.

Speaker 2

Contingency allocated during the quarter is primarily related to procurement activities for remediation and a revised resource plan for Unit 4 that reflects updated productivity assumptions and the planned increase in craft and support resources. We're excited about the progress that we've seen at the site over the last several months and look forward to the transition of Unit 3 from construction to operations in the weeks ahead. Dan, I'll turn the call over to you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Tom, and good afternoon, everyone. As Tom mentioned, we had a very strong quarter with adjusted earnings of $1.07 per share, dollars 0.23 higher than last year and $0.27 above our estimate. The primary drivers for the increases compared to last year and our estimate are higher revenues associated with higher usage, changes in rates and pricing and warmer than normal weather at our regulated electric utilities. These revenue and our long term commitments to reliability and resilience. A detailed reconciliation of our reported and adjusted results as compared to 2021 is included in today's release and earnings package.

Speaker 3

Turning now to retail electricity sales and the economy. In the Q2 2022, weather normal retail sales were 2.3% higher in the Q2 of 2021. This increase reflects stronger sales across all three customer classes as we continue to see expansion across our Southeast electric service territories. We also continue to see robust customer growth with the addition of 12,000 residential electric customers and 7,000 residential gas customers during the quarter. We remain encouraged by these trends and are continuing to monitor the potential impacts of supply chain constraints, labor force participation and inflation pressures on our outlook.

Speaker 3

Economic development within our service territories remains robust with Alabama seeing a 10 year high in jobs and capital investment announcements during the quarter, led by announcements from Hyundai, Novelis and Airbus. Additionally, recent electric vehicle plant announcements in Georgia from Hyundai and Rivian represent the largest economic development projects in the state's history. These two projects alone are expected to create nearly 16,000 jobs and over $10,000,000,000 of capital investment across the update. As we highlighted last quarter, the Port of Savannah continues to show strength with the container volume growth seen during the Q1 accelerating in the Q2 as a result of U. S.

Speaker 3

Consumer demand and the diversion of vessels from other ports driving record cargo levels in June. We remain encouraged by the level of economic development within our service territories and we continue to partner with each of our states to attract new businesses. With our solid adjusted results through the first half of the year, we are well positioned as we head into the peak electric load season. Our estimate for the Q3 of 2022 is $1.32 per share on an adjusted basis. And consistent with historical practice, we will address earnings for the year relative to our EPS guidance after the Q3.

Speaker 3

Before turning the call back over to Tom, I would like to briefly highlight Georgia Power's 2022 Integrated Resource Plan or IRP, which was unanimously approved by the Georgia Public Service Commission last week. Recall Georgia Power files an IRP every 3 years, outlining the company's plan to continue delivering clean, safe, reliable and Affordable Energy to its 2,700,000 customers over the next several decades. The approved plan includes the addition of 2,300 Megawatts of New Renewable Resources as Part of Georgia Power's long term plan to double its renewable generation by adding an additional 6,000 megawatts by 2,035. The plan also approves the addition of over 7 50 megawatts of battery energy storage projects, the retirement of over 1500 megawatts of coal by 2028 and the continuation of existing grid investment in ash pond closure programs. Additionally, the approved IRP continues Georgia Power's hydro modernization program and authorizes initiating a license renewal application for Plant Hatch, each of which will extend the lives of these important carbon free energy resources for the benefit of customers.

Speaker 3

The expected capital Expenditures associated with approval of the IRP are consistent with the capital plan that we laid out on the Q4 earnings call in February. Tom, now turn the call back to you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dan. For more than 5 decades, Southern Company's world class research Development Organization has remained at the forefront of innovation to build the future of energy today. I'd like to take a moment to highlight a couple of recent R and D announcements. Last month, Georgia Power and Mitsubishi Power, along with the Electric Power Research Institute, successfully blended 20% hydrogen fuel at Georgia Power's plant McDonough, representing the world's largest hydrogen fuel blending demonstration project to date on an advanced Class Gas Turbine. This demonstration project helped pave the way for long term clean and carbon free use for existing natural gas generating infrastructure.

Speaker 2

Additionally, in Alabama, Southern Company continues to manage the National Carbon Capture Center for the Department of Energy, which recently surpassed 128,000 hours of testing and has expanded its focus on advancing carbon capture for natural gas power generation, carbon utilization and technology enhanced solutions such as direct air capture. In fact, a low carbon concrete technology developed by Carbon X Prize winner, UCLA and CarbonBuild, recently achieved its first commercialization deal bolstered by successful testing at the center. We are proud of the legacy created by our R and D group over the last 50 years and look forward to continuing this important work for many years to come. In closing, I'd like to take a moment to highlight Company's generating fleet and power delivery system, which performed exceedingly well through June's extremely hot weather. During what was the 2nd hottest June in 50 years, we were able to maintain sufficient generating capacity reserves across daily peaks, including 6 days, which peaked over 40,000 megawatts and an all time peak load of 41,376 Megawatts on June 15.

Speaker 2

Delivering these results requires effective long term planning that is best facilitated in a vertically integrated state regulated markets coupled with real time Group, who once again performed during these times of duress in an exemplary manner. I'm proud of our team's continued outstanding performance during times when our customers need us the most. Thank you for joining us this afternoon. Operator, we're now ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you very much. To a 3 tone product. Now I'll take your questions. One moment please for our first question. And we'll get to our first question on the line.

Operator

From Shahriar Peroza with Guggenheim Partners. Go right ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, Shahriar.

Speaker 2

How are you? Not too bad. How are you doing? Awesome.

Speaker 5

Great. So just two quick ones for you, Tom. Just on the IRP, obviously, a decision on the bone plant was pushed out to 25. What do you sort of think is kind of the most viable pathway forward there? At 1800 megawatts, it's sizable.

Speaker 5

Can you convert it to gas? Can you get firm transmission on a pipe? Or if you went with more renewables, can you just maybe remind us of the amount of transmission You've said you would be needed and the time it would take to build it to make solar an option there, just given that the plant's in the northern location. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Shari, you hit the nail on the head. My overarching comment here Our long term strategy as a system remains robust and strong. The commitment to net 0 by 2,050 is in place. I think the beauty of how we work with commission and the staff and frankly all of our stakeholders, is something that allows us to respond to the kind of exogenous factors that really impact us from a tactical standpoint. Obviously, fuel markets have changed, inflation has changed, supply chains have changed.

Speaker 2

And so I think the Wisdom of the commission in this case is perfectly warranted in pushing that decision forward. I don't want to certainly prejudge What we don't know at this point, but I will say the 2 options you outlined are very reasonable. 1 is to think about keeping generation in the northern part of our state. You know that our big load sink is Atlanta. And so the Boeing units historically have played a really important part in kind of balancing the load between North and South.

Speaker 2

Were we to continue to shut down those units, you would need to think about replacement. Obviously, gas is an option, north. More renewables north could play a role. As you know, our big answer on renewables across the system is most likely Solar, not wind. Just we don't have the climate, to do widespread wind.

Speaker 2

And maybe these tall turbines will come to fruition or not, who knows. So failing that, putting more solar in the south part of the state with a much better terrain does make sense. In order to locate more generation in the state, in order to balance the needs in the North, we'll need to build significant transmission. The beauty of our market structure here is we are allowed to iterate among and between generation and Transmission as an optimal portfolio solution. The so called organized markets have difficulty doing that.

Speaker 2

So this is a topic of conversation. I think we'll handle it in the future.

Speaker 5

Got it. Got it. Thank you for that. And then just lastly, on Vogtle with sort of 8 months left to hit your Unit 3 target, your 4I tax, The NRC letter likely doesn't seem like it's a major hindrance and then you have fuel load expected in November. Can you just elaborate sort of on those interim steps that you think could be more complex post fuel load, which still gives you about a 4 or 5 month cushion to your Q1 target date.

Speaker 5

I mean, I hate to say this, but can the plant actually be ahead of schedule here?

Speaker 2

Yes, I would hate to say that. Gee, it was a nice day. I love to say that. I don't want to get everyone excited. That's Yes, right, right.

Speaker 2

We don't either. We're guiding you all to say that we feel comfortable within the range that we've laid out, I guess, 2 calls ago that say, the scheduled calls for completion by end of March 23. Here's kind of where we are. We have 2 iTACs remaining, not 4. And I believe We'll finish those in days, not weeks.

Speaker 2

I think these things are reasonably imminent. Then we'll File concurrently for the letter requesting the 103 gs, letter to be issued by the NRC. We think the NRC has plenty of capability to handle that within their timeframe, which I think is we've laid out at a max of 17 days. Really, I think the greater pacing factor to fuel load is now not Itax. It is the rest of the work we need to finish on our own to begin fuel load and then begin the initial operation of the plant.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned before, And Dan can help me here too. There are 4 kind of big categories we're thinking about in terms of the scope of that work. One is demobilization, the second is testing and surveillance, the third is just finishing the work that we already have in place. And then the final one we've talked to you about is documentation, getting the paper right. Simple examples of some of getting the paper right.

Speaker 2

Simple examples of some of those things, demobilization is taking down things like scaffolding and taking any of the spare parts that we have laying around the site and moving those off so that At the end of the day, the work rooms and everything within Unit 3 will meet nuclear standards in terms of operation. Dan, do you want to add anything else there?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think that's a great example of demobilization, the scaffolding, temporary lighting is a similar example. Testing and surveillance activities, documentation, I think those are pretty obvious. Part of the finishing work really gets to what Tom alluded to, but it's doing coatings, it is getting particularly containment to this pristine condition To get ready for fuel load. So it's those activities that frankly have a logical sequence to them and it just takes time to work through.

Speaker 2

And now is the time to do that work. There's nothing unusual About the work ahead. We needed to finish the safety related ITACs and now we finished that stuff. Look, the whole exciting transition we have here is moving this plant from transition to operations and we have line of sight to that now.

Speaker 5

Terrific. Thank you guys. Very helpful. Appreciate it. Congrats, Tom.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Proceed with our next question on the line from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 2

Go right ahead. Hey, Steve.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Hey, Tom. Good to hear you. So just Kind of a last second question here just since we just got this potential new inflation reduction bill. Any thoughts on a you've been very right about this not happening and now suddenly there's A chance it might, just do you think this now can happen that Manchin is on board?

Speaker 6

And then just implications For Southern across different ways that would impact you or your customers, Good or bad.

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. You bet. Let me give you the net. It's all good. Let me go back to what I said Before, I never say it wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2

I said the deal physics were hard. And let's just kind of replay the cards As we've worked relentlessly on the Hill, whether it's Congress or in the administration, and frankly, our stakeholder groups, environmental, etcetera, The deal physics were getting tough because we were entering this period of inflation. And I won't say Senator Manchin Had his eye on inflation a long time before a lot of other people did. And so the idea of spending more money In light of inflation pressures, I guess the latest announcement was 9% or so, is really something that is concerning. And so the way that you get to promote this kind of bill is to include within it pay fors that will offset whatever inflationary pressures may arise from the increased spending.

Speaker 2

And as you can see from the proposal right now, and let's leave it as a proposal, there's an additional, I don't know, dollars 300,000,000 $1,000,000,000 to pay for us. So hopefully it speaks to the need to not make this an additional log on the inflationary fire. The second kind of interesting exogenous variable is the specter of a recession. And I think what has been concerning many people is that adding Taxes at this time may be another domino to fall that may increase your likelihood of entering into a recession. Now we've just heard this morning that the United States is in technical recession that is 2 GDP quarters negative in growth.

Speaker 2

But if you look at our numbers and I leave this to Dan or whatever, he kind of did a nice summary in the script. 2 is We're not seeing any indicators of recession right now. Certainly, the historic numbers that bring us up to date for the quarter are way better than what we expected. Further, when you look at the data Dan referenced with respect to our headlights, If you will, our economic development activity. You're talking over 300% of job growth in the backlog and you're talking nearly 700% of capital investment and you're talking about things like Rivian and you're talking about more EV Development and you're talking about data centers.

Speaker 2

We don't see the specter of a recession right now. Now I'd like for Dan to comment a little bit. You know, this economic roundtable, just got through with it. Other people are seeing some reasons to be cautious. And maybe that's cautious in the 1st part of 2023.

Speaker 2

Dan, why don't you give us a burst on the round table?

Speaker 3

Yes. So just as a reminder for folks, we've done this For over a decade and what we do a couple of times a year is bring in folks from regional universities, large Financial Institutions and then frankly a lot of representation from a cross sector representation from our customer base. So we had railroads in the room. We had manufacturing companies, Once again involved with housing, we had consumer goods across the board. And to Tom's point, there was this Backdrop of, yes, a recession is looming, but a very clear acknowledgment that what you may Find yourself in is a place where there's very clear geographic or regional differences as you enter into that period and Endurant.

Speaker 3

So Tom's right, everything we're seeing provides a lot of tailwinds for us. We're in terrific shape. Things could certainly change, but everything we see now, every indication, If you look at Slide 10 of our deck and of how sales manifested during the quarter relative to what we expected, we're in terrific shape.

Speaker 2

And even those industrial results, Stan included 2 pretty big plant closures, 1, Olin Chemical and the other one was

Speaker 3

Resolute, a newspaper manufacturer that was in Georgia.

Speaker 2

And so absent those guys, gee whiz, I mean, it would have been certainly higher than 3.7%. The momentum numbers look good. So we just don't the data doesn't support a recession, all right? Now we raised the issue on the last call In light of the recession, there may be the likelihood of a national recession where the Southeast remains robust and growing. So we just don't see that right now.

Speaker 2

Now I will say, we do see inflation and particularly in the food and energy markets, and that hurts our customers. So this is not an environment without duress. And it's those factors, I would say inflation and potential for recession and what the other exogenous variables may be. I mean, What is the future of Ukraine and what is the unwinding of the supply chain problem and how will that visit the United States in the future are all key variables. What has changed a bit has been this narrative of, are we really in a technical recession.

Speaker 2

Does that really reflect the strength of the economy? There's pretty good arguments on each side. I would argue that the Southeast, given our strong foundation, is going to be better able to weather this than many places else in the United States. I think the conclusion of the people that have come up with this legislation is also that This is an inflationary by its structure and the tax increases, which don't impact us very much and I'll speak to some of the pieces of this legislation and how in respect Southern probably aren't going to be enough to tip very further into recessionary territory. They tend to believe more the qualitative, not the quantitative story.

Speaker 2

With respect to Southern, good heavens, This looks really good. When you look at the energy security and climate change pieces of the legislation, dollars 369,000,000,000 or so, Gosh, it's very helpful to us. You know that the move from investment tax credits to production tax Credit is very favorable. To us, our favorite kind of renewable over the years, recall it one time, We were the largest owner of solar in the United States. We've recycled some capital.

Speaker 2

I never particularly liked having to live off the ITC characteristics. So moving to PTC It's really a good thing. And when you look at the Georgia IRP, solar plays an important part in our future. So that's really good stuff. Recall also our R and D for storage.

Speaker 2

We've already mentioned our importance of carbon capture Science. So the 45Q credits are great. Here's the big thing though. If I had to write a headline on all of those benefits, I would say that this is really beneficial to our customers and should reduce the cost of the transition from the fleet today to the net zero long term strategy in the future. There are some other things in there that are kind of attractive.

Speaker 2

The tax credits in there for purchase of electric vehicles, whether they're used or new, there are some other things In there, for hydrogen, a variety of other things. So what about the negatives? What about the pay fors? If you look at kind of the list of that, leading the charts is this 15% corporate minimum book tax. I'll probably leave this for the guys in the boiler room after the call, but I am prepared, Steve, with examples that will show you that the difference between tax taxes and book taxes to us is almost nothing.

Speaker 2

You know a company as big as ours with $23,000,000,000 of revenue and all that other stuff. The differences in taxes paid It's just really small. It's like 0.5 percent kind of as an estimate. It's almost you can't see it, dollars 5,000,000 $10,000,000 It's almost nothing. Now of course, as that travels over time, depends on a host of factors.

Speaker 2

But to us, this alternative book tax Just doesn't have a material impact to the companies, okay? It will be interesting to see What happens on the prescription drug pricing reform and some of these other things, I just don't have enough there. And everything I should say should be underscored with the admonition that we really haven't been through this 700 page document as thoroughly as we will. What we're giving you are our first thoughts on what it appears to be to us. Dan, do you want to say anything there?

Speaker 3

No, I think we can see if Steve has any follow ups.

Speaker 6

Yes. I guess my one follow-up on this question would be, Again, this is your judgment, but you need every Democrat to support it to pass reconciliation. Just the likelihood that I guess particularly cinema Or the risk of someone falls off in terms of it getting done?

Speaker 2

I think, Sinema becomes a really important person now. I don't know how involved she has been so far on the creation of this agreement, frankly, between Manchin and Schumer. So, her sense of this is going to be extremely important. And I know she's been Very hawkish on raising taxes. So we'll see.

Speaker 2

In the House, let's not even put that in the win column just yet, Because I know that a lot of the House Democrats have had a lot of, I don't know, requests, desires for a change in tax policy, including things like a surtax on the wealthy, including Salt Relief, the state and local tax relief. There's no additional taxes on small businesses. So there's a lot on the Democrat side in the house that's not in this bill, that still has to be negotiated. So we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 6

Great. Well, thank you very much. You're always helpful on these things. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you, sir.

Operator

And we'll get to our next question on the line is from Julien Dumoulin Smith, Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey, Julien. Hey, Julien.

Speaker 7

Thanks for joining.

Speaker 2

Absolutely. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it, Tim. Good to chat. Hey, So

Speaker 4

if we can, just where the negotiations stand? The lawsuit filed by the co owners playing into the timing of resolution here. I mean, just You're probably pointing to the summertime broadly. I guess we're still in summer for resolution, but what's your expectation on that being extended, if you will, just to come back very squarely on this And sort of the parameters at this point?

Speaker 2

Yes. Julian, I don't think we expect anything in the near term there. I think as this Plays out, I wouldn't be surprised to move to business court in Georgia and the resolution could be heck second half of 'twenty three. I don't think we'll know anything in the near term.

Speaker 3

Yes. The one near term data point, Julian, is there is an August 27 date by which We'll know whether MEAG plans to tender their portion is what we've heard from Oglethorpe and Dalton and MEAG still needs to work through their process and let us know one way or the other.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. That's more profound here. I understood. All right, excellent.

Speaker 4

And then actually, let me ask you this. I mean, just how do you think about addressing the About owning renewables whether through these RFP processes or just kind of stepping into some point after RFPs have been awarded Here to expand your ownership. And again, I get that you've got a certain allocation already in Southern Power, but is there any regulatory solution When you think about Georgia here that you could address or talk to a little bit? And I think Shar was kind of alluded to it a moment ago.

Speaker 2

Yes, man. Certainly going to the PTC certainly makes it more competitive, more attractive For our operating companies to own this stuff. So that's really helpful. We're all in. And of course, Southern Power can compete for the new megawatts of particularly solar in the state.

Speaker 2

So on the margin, everything that we see in this potential settlement, looks good for us. We're very happy with it. Got it. So perhaps the shift to the PPC really oh, go for it. I would also We have been engaged in conversations in this.

Speaker 2

Like I say, I mean, with the administration, with any stakeholder, with Congress for months. So to the extent they arrived at a resolution, is it surprising? I don't know. I think it depends on how you view This inflation versus recession pressure issue, the pay for certainly speak to the inflation and I think the judgment on the ability of the United States economy to withstand the tax increases is really what's going to get us over the line. I just think on the margin, this is good stuff for us.

Speaker 4

Right. And to be extra clear about this, the solar PTC sort of opens up the window of eligibility, especially given how punchy ITCs can be, Not just for Southern Power, but more specifically here for Georgia Power.

Speaker 2

It sure does. Yes.

Speaker 3

For all of our regular utilities, they're always going to The economic choice for customers and what the PTC does is make cell phone that much more economic. So I think our competitiveness It's definitely improved if this goes through.

Speaker 4

Understood. Excellent, guys. I'll leave it there. Best of luck here.

Speaker 2

Hey, thank you, buddy. Appreciate you joining us.

Operator

Thank you. We'll get to our next question on the line is from David O'Carroll with Morgan Stanley. Go right ahead.

Speaker 2

Welcome. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question.

Speaker 9

I was wondering just back on Vogtle, could you just talk a little bit about the labor backdrop, maybe specifically on Unit 4? And if you're facing any labor tightness, Any kind of turnover or churn issues there as you start to maybe ramp up and bring people back to that site and accelerate the work there?

Speaker 2

In general, a lot of that goes to compensation. I think we're top decile. We measure ourselves all the time. And so The compensation issues are pretty well spoken for. I think you always have Kind of a worry that as you finish conclusion of work that people will start leaving and go to other more sustained work.

Speaker 2

We're keeping our eye on that and we think we have that spoken for. We measure our churn statistics virtually every day, report every week, and they're within our expectations right now. We are adding people to the site with relative ease. I think the interesting issue there will be, you may remember us talking a lot about attracting electricians. We're able to do that now.

Speaker 2

I think the more important point for us is as we wrap up, work on 3, it Freeze people from 3 to move to 4. And it's not just folks that will do particularly the electrical termination. We're ramping that up in a big way. It's engineering and supervisory people that will make the increase in people on Unit 4 more efficient. Those are necessary to achieve the ramp up schedule that we expect to see, oh, I don't know, over the next 10 to 12 weeks or so.

Speaker 2

So that really is it. I think it's this idea of advancing on 3, freeing people up, moving those resources to 4 and increasing our productivity.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks. That's helpful. And I guess maybe any latest thoughts on potential for a settlement around prudency or the timeframe for when you might be able to start those discussions with other parties and interveners here. Is getting closer to fuel load on Unit 3 Is still the focus before that becomes maybe closer in time to being next up?

Speaker 2

Settlement is always an option, but boy, we don't want to get in front of that horse. We'll just let it go. As you may remember, The official schedule calls for prudence to begin on fuel load for Unit 4. And we kind of expect that in what summer next year. So that's the official date to have a prudence hearing or begin that process.

Speaker 2

Yes, we could settle in advance of that, but I'm not going to front run that issue here.

Speaker 9

Okay, got it. Understood. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, sir.

Operator

And we'll get to our next question on the line from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for joining us. Hey.

Speaker 8

Thanks for having me. Just want to touch on the guidance a little bit here, if I could. And just want to see any updated thoughts you have. I mean, just Being so far ahead this past quarter, how do you see yourself positioned? Could a guidance raise Be in the cards if things continue current trends continue.

Speaker 3

Hey, Jeremy, this is Dan. So look, as we always do, We'll narrow down our year end expectations during the Q3 call. It is clear that our year to date performance has positioned us really well to deliver strong results. But what it also does is position us really well to mitigate our operational and financial risk in future years. So we're going to take every opportunity we have to fix the roof while the sun is shining, if you will.

Speaker 3

And if you look at our history of O and M spending in the electric business, there's almost never such a thing as a normal year. We build flexibility into our programs so that we can accelerate maintenance activities when we have higher than expected revenues from weather for customer growth or strong economic activity. And then conversely, in those years that inevitably happen where weather or economic activity are below or even recently a pandemic. We have the flexibility to curtail in those years knowing what we've done in years prior to get ready. Over time, this all balances out and the system remains in great shape to serve customers and our financial results are a lot less volatile than they might have otherwise been.

Speaker 3

Additionally and very importantly, Many of our regulatory frameworks have backstops whereby better than expected results accrue to the benefits of our customers through the various rate or rebate mechanisms. So I would just say stay tuned to the Q3, but know that we're doing everything we can to Improve and Derisk Future Years.

Speaker 2

Yes. Got it. Thank you, Zach. Sorry. Yes.

Speaker 2

No, I mean just a little bit of clarity there too. It's inescapable. We're way ahead of where we thought we would be. I mean we're What, dollars 0.37 up on the 1st 6 months. We're not going to be $0.37 over at the end of the year.

Speaker 2

That's what Dan is trying to say. I mean, I'd be disappointed if we weren't improved in the range or whatever. But we're just sticking with our practice of really giving you the firm guidance on our range in the next earnings call.

Speaker 10

Got it. Got it.

Speaker 3

But the one that

Speaker 2

so far is terrific. Yes, we're doing great.

Speaker 8

Thank you for that. And then just one last one, if I could. And Realize that everything is new here as you're talking about with the news last night out of DC, but any thoughts with regards to regulated nuclear eligibility for PTC here that you might be willing to share with us.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's slim. I think that language was designed to help plants under duress. Ours haven't been under duress. So I don't think it's a big deal. And recall that we already have production tax credits in place for Vogtle 34.

Speaker 2

So really The application of OGA-one hundred and two, Farley or Hatch, slim to none. That's our view right now.

Speaker 8

Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question on the line is from Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs. Go right ahead.

Speaker 2

Michael, always glad to have you with us.

Speaker 10

And thank you for having me. Tom, Dan, question for you. The McDonough discussion early in the call about blending hydrogen. Tom, can you just talk about both for hydrogen in your gas power plants, but also for RNG for your gas utilities. How should we think about what kind of the steps that have to happen, the big broad steps that have to happen for those to become Decent sized investment opportunities for the Southern family of companies.

Speaker 2

Yes. You know what, Budd, I think that while some people have been breathlessly optimistic about hydrogen and I would argue we're doing the most research and the most kind of Real money behind our words. We think hydrogen has a great place, particularly in blending with kind of methane fuels as we're demonstrating here in Macintosh. And then as we're looking at with the new plant that we may be building in Alabama to blend hydrogen, Those are great applications and we like them, okay? But I think the real issue in terms of near term impact is going to be The classic chicken or the egg.

Speaker 2

Who's going to generate the hydrogen and how do we move it? Now, we are doing also lots of research on the gas side. So we're looking at as we add safety related pipeline replacement programs in Southern Gas, Is it suitable to think about moving hydrogen through those facilities? We're certainly thinking about that.

Speaker 10

Got it. And on the other side okay. Sorry, Gary.

Speaker 3

Yes. I was going to say, Michael, just Along the same lines as what we've been talking about on the call around renewables and what this agreement with Manchin and Schumer may how that may benefit renewables, Something similar may be needed for RNG, since you asked about that, to make it equally affordable for customers.

Speaker 10

Yes. I was under the impression that there is an RNG ITC in this bill and but was just kind of curious for your thoughts about If there is some kind of tax credit for RNG, whether that's enough to make RNG really A material opportunity for the Southern Gas Utility.

Speaker 2

Dan, I don't know. We need to dive through the Material, we're kind of looking at each other going, I don't know.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, when you said material, it's hard to see it being material in the near term.

Speaker 2

I really think hydrogen is a good idea, but it's probably in the 30s.

Speaker 10

Got it. Okay. Thank you, guys. Much appreciated.

Speaker 2

Thank you, my friend.

Operator

We'll get to our next question on the line from Nick Campanella with Credit Suisse. Go right ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey, Nick. How are you?

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. A lot of them

Speaker 2

have been answered.

Speaker 7

I appreciate the updates. I guess just, what's different about this quarter is you guys kind of moved off the ranges to target kind of specific quarters for in service dates. So Is that just kind of like the cadence of how you plan to kind of communicate ISD at this point? Or are you going to eventually kind of move back to arrange on Unit 4. I think it's currently Q4 2023, if I'm not mistaken, for Unit 4 today.

Speaker 2

We gave a lot of thought to that. We provided the guidance plus 3 months, plus 6 months. And as we look at the progress on 3, that has a lot to say about 4, okay? And let me give you an example. So, As we begin fuel load and startup of 3, the same kind of personnel that will be devoted to that activity will also be devoted to HFT in Unit 4.

Speaker 2

There can be overlap there, particularly say in the second half of startup, maybe the last 25% of startup. So let's just take a calendar. We've suggested that we could have fuel load before October. So let's and that would permit by March. If the same personnel are starting to get freed up in the second half by February, by January, somewhere in there, That would suggest you could accelerate hot functional test on 4 from the calendar that we're showing you on Page 6.

Speaker 2

So all we're trying to say is the timing of 3 has a lot to do with the timing of 4. And to the To the extent we're successful on accelerating 3 prior to March or have the people available at the end of startup of 3 prior to March. We can start hot functional testing sooner than the critical path we indicate On Page 6. That really is, I think, what is mostly behind our comments on schedule right now.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. Yes, I just I wasn't sure if you just had like enough line Site where you were kind of comfortable in like nailing down a quarter here. So

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, I would almost describe it this way. I think we got line of sight on 3. I think we have reasonable expectations on 4. We admit that there's lots of variables on 4. We'll certainly keep you abreast of those developments as they occur.

Speaker 2

Right now, we believe we're reasonably comfortable within the ranges. We are expecting an improvement in productivity on 4. So we'll be watching that in the very near term. We'll have more to say about that certainly next quarter.

Speaker 7

Okay. Got it. And then I guess when you gave these in service date ranges, you also kind of talked about like $4 to $4.30 of EPS in 2024. Now that we're kind of at the end, does that guidance still hold here today?

Speaker 3

Yes. Look, we are where we were, but the reason we put out a range, Nick, is because there's It was 3 years away and there's a lot of moving parts. So look, you see what's happening around inflation and interest rates. You see That we've got a significant regulatory calendar ahead of us. We recognize that there was a lot of uncertainty.

Speaker 3

And as Those things get buttoned up and we get closer to 2024, we'll narrow in on exactly where within that range we are.

Speaker 2

Yes. But I think we're still within the range. The biggest change, I guess, Dan, that we see is interest rates, particularly cost of interest costs at the parent. But we'll certainly update that at our year end earnings call. But I would say that It is a range and Dan mentioned we'll tell you where we are within the range.

Speaker 2

I don't see any reason to change it now. But within that expectation as a result of the Georgia rate case, anything to do with the economy, a recession, a host of variables. But everything we know right now, we're still within the range. Awesome. I'll leave

Speaker 7

it there. Thanks again for the time.

Speaker 2

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

And we'll get to our next question on the line. It is from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thanks for joining us. Welcome.

Speaker 11

Thanks, Tom. I wanted to go pick a brain just for A little bit more on the clean energy bill. So obviously, I mean, there's a lot to like here for utilities, generally speaking. But sort of when I compare this to sort of the build back better version of the plan, there's no direct pay for utilities. It doesn't look like utilities are eligible for that.

Speaker 11

There's also no transmission investment tax credit as far as I can to see through the bill. And then obviously, you have the 15% minimum tax, which you guys talked to is not a material impact for you, but EEI has You know, visually kind of oppose that, if you will. So I'm just wondering that, you know, is there a chance for the industry Or EEI broadly here to kind of influence certain pieces of this legislation or is the process moving too quickly?

Speaker 2

I think I'm giving you a complete judgment here, not fact, all right? My judgment would say that it's been so hard to get to this place. And there's still uncertainties out there, As I mentioned in response to Steve Fleishman's question, you don't have salt relief in here. You don't have a surtax the wealthy individuals in America. There are things here that so many people wanted.

Speaker 2

This thing and Kirsten said about it, There are still many unknowns as to whether we can get this across the finish line. This is a great thing for us And I broadly would say for the industry. Adding something else at this point, I think is a bridge too far, in my opinion. And I think the inside the Beltway people are kind of talking to each other with the frame of mind that don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. This is pretty good and we hope it crosses the finish line.

Speaker 11

Got it. Thanks for that color. And then just really quickly, can you just update us on the Georgia rate case filing? Just the milestones there, still expecting a final decision by year end and kind of the key issues that investors and us should be watching for?

Speaker 3

Yes, Durgesh, again, we don't want to get ahead of any of the process. There is a calendar in the slide deck, Slide 25. So really the process will start in earnest in mid September with hearings. And yes, we still expect a decision By December, I think the only other thing I would say is just as a reminder, this rate case is largely a continuation of all the elements The 2019 rate case is carrying a lot of those same capital initiatives forward. It's not Vogtle.

Speaker 3

It's 2019, 3 years later.

Speaker 2

And I'd add, reference the NERC report that warned the industry that half the United States Would be under duress with our energy future. And then you're stressed further by this unusual weather we're having, Whether that's part of climate change, etcetera, the tails appear to be flatter. Our system has performed beautifully. And I think Given our relative price position in the United States, given the resilience of our system, I think the decisions of the commission in the past And the company have been excellent in respect to benefiting customers long term here in the Southeast. And it's no secret why a lot of data centers and some of these big economic development projects, Rivian and others, are coming here Because of the price, because of the resilience, because of the long term stability, having this kind of Constructive regulatory environment benefits long term the economic growth of the Southeast and that continues to look very robust.

Speaker 2

I don't see any reason why it would change at this point.

Speaker 11

Got it. Appreciate the time. Thank you both.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you, Togash.

Operator

And we'll get to our next question on the line from Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Go right ahead.

Speaker 2

Hello, Paul. Always glad to have you.

Speaker 12

Well, glad to be here. And I'm afraid I'm going to be following sort of Durgish And Steve's approach here just if possible, you made some comments about the new PTC And how you think it was it's designed for troubled nuclear plants. Did I could you elaborate a little bit on that? I mean, I haven't been able to read all the legislative text, but it looks to me like it was a little bit broader than that. And what you're saying makes logical sense.

Speaker 12

I just wanted to So get a better feeling to what you actually see happening there.

Speaker 3

Yes. Again, so qualifying this, Paul, this is Dan, as it's 700 pages to get through and understand the details, and this is based on our high level review of similar provisions in BBB. The legislation essentially sets an economic floor for nuclear plants. And so when you have regulated nuclear plant that operates in a constructive jurisdiction and is recovering its costs on a regular basis. It's unlikely to truly benefit from something that's intended for troubled financially nuclear units.

Speaker 12

Okay. That makes logical sense. I just want to get a better idea. And then also just in terms of the mechanics, the 15%, I assume that that applies to all corporations within that large category, what have you. I'm just wondering, when would that be or am I missing something?

Speaker 12

Could that be a political problem for the legislation? Or Am I missing something there? I mean, you mentioned the salt and all those other things that people I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2

No, man. I think you're absolutely Good point. I'm telling you, it's good for us. There will certainly be people in America that don't like this. I think NAM has already come out And said that this really hurt some of the people in manufacturing in the industry And we you kind of expect this that, well, if it's good for us, who isn't it good for?

Speaker 2

And they certainly will weigh in, and we'll see what impact that has. It is it must be at least a zero sum game in order to be positive to the scorecard in Congress. So we're not hurt by it. Other people are. I fully expect that it will provide headwinds to getting it done.

Speaker 2

We'll see if it's enough to sway some votes. I don't know.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks for the clarity. I really appreciate it and hang in there.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bob. Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Thank you. And that will conclude today's question and answer session. Sir, are there any closing remarks?

Speaker 2

Yes. This is an exciting time, isn't it? We've had a wonderful quarter. We've made great progress on the ITACs. My sense is these Next 2 will be done in a matter of days, not months or weeks.

Speaker 2

And son of a gun, we're poised to turn this thing over to operations and Look forward to fuel load. And so, boy, that will remove a great deal of risk, I think, from our portfolio going away. But that does not mean that risk is done. We still have to complete the work necessary to fuel load. We still have to improve particularly our performance in electrical, particularly in the terminations area.

Speaker 2

We believe we have reason to expect that performance to actually happened. We'll know reasonably soon whether that's true or not. So look, I I think we're as well poised as we can be. Dan mentioned the blessing of the good performance that we've had today, dollars 0.27 over versus our own estimate, Gives us the flexibility to deal with problems in the future, including rate pressure. So I like our cards here.

Speaker 2

I like the cards that are shown by the robust performance of the Southeast Economy relative to the national economy. I know you all have to make your bets and we have to do the same in terms of allocating capital. I think the allocation of capital from our own sense to our business model and going forward in this manner is really attractive. So thank you all for joining us this afternoon. Look forward to our next call in October.

Speaker 2

See you soon. Thank

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