Trimble Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 5, 2022

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Trimble Incorporated Financial Results Conference Call. Please note today's conference is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you.

Operator

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Rob Painter, Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Painter, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Welcome everyone. Before I get started, our presentation is available on our website and we ask that you refer to the Safe Harbor I will lead the call today as David is at home on the back end of the COVID quarantine. Jim Todd, our Head of FP and A is in the room with me and the 3 of us will handle the Q and A. My commentary on revenue and ARR growth today will reflect organic performance, thereby excluding our acquisitions and divestitures and foreign currency movements. Let's begin on Page 2 with our key messages.

Speaker 1

Our team delivered a record second quarter exceeding our own expectations. My congratulations to our team and our global partners. Annualized recurring revenue grew 15% and we now stand at $1,510,000,000 of ARR. Total revenue was up 6%, also ahead of expectations, as was gross margin of 59.7%, A record level for Trimble. This flowed through to exceeding our expectations on EPS.

Speaker 1

The Trimble operating system balances strategy, people and execution. We have been busy the last few months demonstrating progression and proof points on many fronts. On strategy, we are seeing solid progress with our Trimble Construction 1 offering, which is a bundled offering of our construction software solutions currently targeted towards contractors. We chose to start with this segment of Trimble customers as we have the value proposition and momentum on our side. From this new baseline, we will expand to other personas in such as architects and designers and owners, and we will roll out the offering on a more global basis.

Speaker 1

We will then extend this approach across our other applicable businesses. Our indicators are telling us that with Trimble Construction 1, our win rates are going up, our sales cycles are becoming shorter and our average deal size is increasing. We also see progress in cross selling efforts with more than 20% of our construction software bookings coming from cross sell in the 2nd quarter, which is increasing our share of wallet and penetration into our installed base. From a capital allocation perspective, we divested 5 businesses in the quarter Where the revenue profile was greater than 90% hardware that was not core to driving connected value in our industry clouds. This included product lines such as sewn goods, safety vests, weighing scales and rotating lasers.

Speaker 1

In the quarter, we made the decision to exit the Russian market And we repurchased $200,000,000 of our shares. Our priority remains investing back into our business and pursuing acquisitions. Our acquisition pipeline is relatively full at the moment and we have the firepower to act. On People, we were recently named a top company for leadership and global culture We also appointed Ron Vizio to oversee our Transportation and Logistics business. Ron is a 23 year Trimble veteran and has led the growth and transformation of our survey business over the last few years.

Speaker 1

Ron is an excellent leader and his mandate is On execution, we continue to simplify our portfolio through actions such as reducing the number of part numbers and product offerings. We are building resilience for future products by designing more of our new hardware offerings to have dual sourcing capabilities on key components. With respect to our digital transformation, I am pleased with the cadence of delivery on the process and systems front, which we need in order to increase the velocity and scalability Our Trimble Construction 1 and cross selling efforts. Our current technology stack is deployed in France and Benelux as a test market. Our most recent release gives our customers the ability to buy and add multiple products on a single contract and gives our sellers the ability to sell This release gives us visibility across the entire customer and prospect base, Driving a true customer 360 view in one system and providing us accurate metrics and KPIs from a single source of truth.

Speaker 1

From here, we will continue to refine and add functionality and extend the other geographies, including North America, which will happen in the first half of next year. Changing gears, I have met with a few dozen customers, well more than 1,000 Trimble employees and many investors over the last few weeks, including a 3 week visit throughout Europe. Our team believes in our connect and scale journey, and I am grateful that they are willing to challenge us to execute better And faster. Our customers are validating our direction. They are asking for help to unlock more digital insights And to integrate data and workflows across multiple products to drive even more value.

Speaker 1

They have efficiency and sustainability at the top of their agendas, Along with access to qualified labor and inflationary pressures to manage in the near term. They are also asking us to be easier to do business with as they want to more broadly access our technology. On the investor front, the topic has been almost singular, that is the macroeconomic environment and recessionary Broadly speaking, market indicators and demand remain strong on an absolute basis. On a relative basis, it seems that our end markets are catching their breath And coming off a bit of a high point. Inflation is a top concern.

Speaker 1

In Engineering and Construction, we watch signals such as construction backlog, the Architectural Billing Index, Dodge Momentum Index as well as signals from our own systems. In agriculture, we look at equipment sales, commodity prices, inventory levels and farm income. Transportation, we look towards freight demand, capacity utilization, freight rates and fuel prices. These indicators remain net favorable on an absolute Overall, Trimble is much more secular than cyclical in nature. After all, productivity and efficiency are needed more than ever in challenging markets.

Speaker 1

To help investors appreciate the resilience of Trimble, let's turn to Page 3 and let the facts speak to the quality of the Trimble business model. Over the last 10 years, we have moved our business from 20% to 55% software services and recurring revenue. That represents over $2,000,000,000 today in these differentiated revenue streams that uniquely enable us to connect the physical and digital worlds. Over that same time period, we have moved from $361,000,000 of ARR to $1,510,000,000 of ARR, a 15% CAGR. We believe this is the most resilient of our revenue streams and it continues to grow at a healthy double digit level.

Speaker 1

Finally, we have expanded EBITDA margins From 19.9 percent to 25.6 percent over this time frame, and we were doing this with an increasingly asset light business model that operates With negative working capital. The overall point here is simple. If we enter a recession, we have never been better positioned to navigate. Our mindset in this environment, therefore, is to continue to execute our strategy. We are playing the long game and we will also be prudent with managing our expenses.

Speaker 1

Our headcount since the beginning of the year has gone up by approximately 2% organically, and we will remain vigilant to allocate our capital and manage our operating expenses On Page 4, I'll start by making the point that normal seasonality and year over year quarterly comparisons are a bit incomplete As the pandemic and supply chain shortages have altered historical patterns, as have our recent divestitures and adverse movements in FX. 2nd quarter revenue was $941,000,000 up 6% organically. Revenue in the quarter was aided by strong performance Through our supply chain as we were able to reduce hardware backlog and improve lead times across most of our hardware offerings. Gross margin expanded by 150 basis points to 59.7 percent driven by a favorable mix shift towards The year on year rate of product cost inflation eased modestly in the quarter and came in better than our expectations. The supply chain initiatives implemented over the last several quarters have allowed us to reduce our reliance on both expedited transportation and the expensive broker market We are seeing meaningful improvement overall in the reliability of our supply chain, But significant issues remain and we don't expect a fully normalized supply chain environment until well into 2023.

Speaker 1

We faced a number of critical part shortages That reduced our ability to meet customer demand in the Q2 and those issues will continue to modestly constrain our revenue for the remainder of 2022. EBITDA and our operating margins for the quarter were 24.2% and 22.4% respectively. Operating costs grew versus year ago levels driven both by the gradual normalization of travel expenses And by the planned investments we are making against our strategic growth initiatives. Net income and EPS were both lower than prior year levels, Yet ahead of our expectations. Over the last 12 months, we have generated $470,000,000 of free cash flow.

Speaker 1

And through the first half of twenty twenty two, We generated just over $173,000,000 of free cash flow, both of which are below our long term goal of generating cash flow in excess Our non GAAP net income. The main two factors impacting second quarter cash flow are the buildup of inventory driven by supply chain disruptions And tax payments related to the elimination of upfront tax expensing of R and D costs in the U. S. We expect both of these items to normalize Over time, meanwhile we are operating with negative working capital. Turning to Page 5, The highlight metric is the 15% growth in ARR, which reflects strength in bookings, high net retention and the continued conversion of our perpetual software offerings.

Speaker 1

Hardware revenue grew at a rate of 3% versus a very strong Q2 of a year ago, While perpetual software revenues were down modestly, driven in part by our ongoing model conversions. Geographically, North America revenue was up 8 Europe was up 1%. The loss of business in Russia and Ukraine reduced Europe revenue growth by 5 percentage points. Asia Pacific was up 5% and Rest of World was up 22%. Looking at the highlighted metrics on Page 6, we have covered many of these already.

Speaker 1

I'll comment on our backlog, which stands at $1,600,000,000 of which approximately $240,000,000 is hardware. Hardware backlog came down by approximately $110,000,000 in the quarter, about half from divestitures and half from improving supply chain execution. Before the COVID induced supply chain disruption, our hardware backlog was typically around 100,000,000 So we are still at the distance from normal backlog dynamics. We have also returned cash to shareholders through our share repurchase With 445,000,000 of share repurchases on a trailing 12 month basis. We ended the quarter with net debt just slightly over one times EBITDA, Leaving us with the capital structure, which provides both resilience and ample dry powder to invest against our strategy.

Speaker 1

Turning now to segment trends on Page 7. We had a very strong quarter in Buildings and Infrastructure with 13% organic revenue growth And over 20% organic ARR growth. We have strong bookings and net retention across our software offerings in this sector. Our Civil and Construction business, which has a meaningful hardware component benefited both from strong demand and improving supply chain execution. In our Geospatial segment, we came into the quarter with an expectation of lower year on year organic growth due to the comparison with unprecedented strength in the Q2 of last year.

Speaker 1

Organic revenue was down 5%, reflecting both tough comps and some acute component shortages. Demand for our survey offerings remains strong And the combination of growing bookings and supply chain challenges resulted in backlog remaining at an elevated level through the quarter. Resource and Utilities organic revenue grew by 15% in the 2nd quarter, reflecting a significantly improved supply chain situation for Most of our agriculture products. Transportation organic revenue was down 5% on a year over year basis and was below our expectations, driven primarily by lower hardware sales to North American customers. While the financial results for Transportation remain below our expectations, ARR grew in the quarter at a mid single digit rate, representing sequential improvement in the rate of growth.

Speaker 1

Our churn of mobility customers was lower in the second quarter than in any quarter since late 2018. The performance of our ELD software is now very strong and customer satisfaction has improved significantly. We have announced our new mobility product to the market and are actively engaging with both existing customers and new logos. We'll now turn to our outlook for 2022 on Page 8. We are raising our guidance on ARR growth to 16% for the year as our conviction on the underlying drivers of growth has increased.

Speaker 1

For the metrics of total revenue and EPS, Three factors lead us to project a more cautious outlook for the full year: FX, supply chain and demand. This weights approximately 1 half FX and 1 half supply chain and demand. The appreciation in the U. S. Dollar over the last 90 days has obviously been significant.

Speaker 1

Fortunately, our cost base is quite global and creates a natural hedge, leaving us with only a modest residual exposure Foreign exchange on operating margins. While supply chains are demonstrably better and we hold our previous conviction on gross margin improvement in the second half of the year, It only takes one component to prevent a product from shipping and we are facing some critical component shortages that we believe will impact our Geospatial and Resources and Utilities On the demand front, we are seeing modestly lower than expected ordering across the transportation and agriculture sectors. Farmer sentiment has moderated in the face of high input cost inflation. Incorporating these factors, we expect revenue in the range $3,760,000,000 to $3,820,000,000 which reflects an outlook for the full year organic total revenue growth of 9% to 11%. Overall revenue growth and organic revenue growth are expected to improve sequentially from the 2nd quarter through the 3rd and 4th quarters, reflecting increased pricing and increased software and recurring growth.

Speaker 1

Note that the impact of our divestitures on our revenue will be approximately 5 In both the 3rd and 4th quarters. If foreign exchange rates remain where they are now, we expect a negative impact on revenue of approximately 4% in the 3rd quarter and 3% Gross margins are expected to sustain the improvement we saw in the second quarter into the second half remains at 23% to 23.5%. The high point for both gross margin and operating margin for the year is expected to be in the 4th quarter. Our revised full year EPS range is $2.70 to $2.80 We expect the ratio of free cash flow to non GAAP net income to come in around 0.7 times for the year, impacted by the aforementioned R and D expensing change in 2023. In conclusion, the financial story for the Q2 was revenue, ARR and gross margin outperformance.

Speaker 1

For the year, the punch line is seeing through currency movements, divestitures and some choppiness in the macro environment to highlight that we are raising our view on ARR growth to 16% and guiding organic revenue growth between 9% to 11%. In the second half of the year, we expect to build on our 2nd quarter momentum Sequential improvements in organic growth and gross margin through both the 3rd and 4th quarters. Strategically speaking, the resilience of our business is stronger than ever. Our markets are inflecting with the adoption of digital technologies. This is our moment to connect and scale, and we remain committed to this journey.

Speaker 1

Operator, let's open the line to questions.

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Jason Celino with KeyBanc.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks for fitting me in. So Rob, the Construction 1 Nice to hear the strong performance. I'm curious though, where are you seeing the most traction? Is it with Current customers potentially looking to upgrade and expand or is it with some of the new net wins that you talked about in your prepared remarks?

Speaker 2

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Jason. The majority of the growth I would say at the moment is coming from the existing customer base. And that's actually pretty logical from our perspective when we've done the work on our within our own portfolio. Job of this moving existing customers to Trimble Construction 1 contract Offerings such that they've got an on ramp to consuming more of the technology. At a net new logo perspective, the team is winning Net new logos as well.

Speaker 1

So that is I think it's showing some early signs of success, But the bulk and the majority is from existing customers at the moment.

Speaker 2

Okay. And then I think you mentioned at the beginning that the logic or the premise To take this type of bundling suite style approach to some of your other segments? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes, exactly, Jason. So the Peter, so right now we're working in the Actually the contractor persona within construction and actually really even within building construction specifically, then we'll look Towards architects and designers as a persona, we have a bundled offering with TC 1, a suite targeted to them, then a suite targeted to owners. Terminal Construction 1 will also apply to our Civil business where we can connect what we're doing in the field with office on a singular contract. And then in parallel, but at some level will play out a little bit more serially and is with our transportation business and the agriculture business. So it's absolutely consistent Mindset we have across the business as we pursue this platform strategy.

Operator

Your next question comes from Rob Wertheimer with Melius Research.

Speaker 3

Hi, thanks and good morning. Rob, I have kind of a

Speaker 4

higher level question. I mean, there's a lot happening in infrastructure construction May actually get going. There's a bunch of kind of mega projects out there that weren't in the past. And I wonder if you could just kind of assess the strategic landscape It's evolving as fast as your competition. Do you anticipate this to be a next 2 or 3 or 4 years that are highly dynamic on acquisitions to get a Portfolio where they want or is that not necessarily a moment that needs to see people change radically?

Speaker 4

And just really if you could just assess how You're evolving versus your competitors in the construction landscape. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Well, good morning, Rob. Let me give you a perspective. Yes, more at the mega project level and with some of the largest Customers, because as you know, I mean, there's a segmentation by size of customer. I'm at this largest customer level. I've actually had a chance to meet with a number of them recently and to meet with customers who are working on some of these mega projects both in the U.

Speaker 1

S. And throughout Europe. There's no question from my perspective that customers these big customers on the big projects All looking to bring the multiple technologies they have together into a common data environment. And I think we're uniquely positioned to be able to deliver A common data environment. We take a view that with as much as we do in construction, engineering and construction and we think we've got the broadest portfolio The reality is that we don't do everything nor do our competitors or our peers.

Speaker 1

So our mindset is that of An open system being able to bring data from disparate sources together. And we're informed by that through Our own set of technology that we have that can serve the architects through the engineers, through the contractors, through the owners. Customers are putting digitization at the top of their agenda. They're putting sustainability At the top of their agenda, at the moment, inflation is, I'd say, a major concern as is labor availability For these large customers and these large projects. So now if I put that in the context of the second part of your question around M and A and where might the markets go over time?

Speaker 1

Well, I would expect construction tech has been a rather active field over the last few years and with the money going into infrastructure, I would expect to see continued investment into the space. I would suspect All of us, the bigger companies in the industry will probably be reasonably acquisitive. Then I think you have to But that again in context of the companies that are out there, I think there's a lot of businesses out there that In reality are probably features rather than businesses that are better fit for Trimble or Our peers of Trimble, there's not a lot of scaled technology companies in this industry. If we look at the Combined size of our buildings and infrastructure and really the relevant parts of our geospatial business, I would submit that We're one of the largest, if not the largest construction technology companies in the world.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you. And since you touched on inflation, Are you seeing any impact on project pacing or delays or cancellations from that inflation? Or is it just something people are evaluating? And I guess I'll stop there around.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 1

I would say we are seeing a few delays and some and not so much cancellations, But more delays and I'll be U. S. Centric when I say this because we do see the cost of the raw Materials having gone up significantly. So now there is more money that is starting to it looks like to flow out of the infrastructure bill. At the moment, a good amount of that is getting chewed up through inflation.

Speaker 1

And so we've seen the money as it's being let It has a longer delay or longer lag to put in place construction than we've seen in the past. And we think it's Yes, I'd say some of the and I'd take a DOT, Department of Transportation stepping back a bit and doing some reassessment. We're working trying to figure out how to work through it. Now put that inflation into its own context of the Value proposition of Trimble, which is better, faster, safer, cheaper, greener, we are getting these project owners To pay attention to the value of technology. So I'm encouraged by that.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chad Dillard with Bernstein.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning guys.

Speaker 1

Hi, Chad.

Operator

So I want to spend a little bit of

Speaker 3

time on your comments about Trimble Construction 1 and plan to roll it out into your broader construction portfolio. So how much of that portfolio do you plan to scale within Trumbull Construction 1? And then can you just talk about the roadmap? So I mean, How many years are you planning to take to get that scale? And just what sort of investments do you need to make to get there?

Speaker 1

Yes. So I'll give you, I'll say a part of an answer now and then I think this will be a good Topic for us to have time to go into more detail at our Investor Day in early September. Chad, from a Turnbull Construction One perspective, if you ask me if you're asking me what how much of the portfolio of, I'll say, built to the buildings and infrastructure segment I would see it applying to, Well, my goal is 100%. Okay, maybe in reality, it's something a bit less than that. But in terms of ambition level, I think that's what you'd want to understand is That we really see that almost everything in the business could apply in this mindset, in this Approach to how we go to market.

Speaker 1

The part that would be I back off of saying 100% is, hey, we have some small customers, Take some architects for example, they will only want to buy our SketchUp product and they can just buy our SketchUp Product, we're not going to make them buy everything in order to use SketchUp. So wherever it can apply to customer sets, Our goal is to do that both in the building construction side as well as the civil construction side of the business. And then in terms of the rollout, I talked about In the prepared remarks, the rollout to different personas and we started with the contractor persona And construction, as we come into, I'd say, the first half of next year, I'd say the end of this year and in the first half of next year, we'll start See those additional personas rollout. And then the thing that goes along in parallel with that work of the I'll say the product role to personas is the underlying Digital Systems Transformation work that we're doing. And that really is an enabler.

Speaker 1

These are very much linked. When we talk about the increases in investments we're making into our digital transformation, and that run rate, has been is over, I'll say, over 20,000,000 Incremental a year. That is very much associated with driving Trimble Construction 1 and with our recurring revenue Businesses across all of Trimble. So we're talking about TC-one as the construction one, but we will have this approach in transportation and And agriculture, to really efficiently and effectively scale the work, we need this underlying systems Projects to come along. And so I talked about that in the prepared remarks that I think we're making nice progress On the early releases, we've got a second release.

Speaker 1

But hey, it's only in France and Benelux right now. We'll get to North America in the first half Next year and of course North America is where we have the largest amount of revenue. So there we expect to really My hope and our plan is that we see acceleration in the business as we can be more efficient and effective in actually delivering Terminal Construction 1. So hope that gives you a little perspective, Chad. How many years?

Speaker 1

I think we're on a we're certainly on a multiyear journey. In fact, I talked about rolling out to different businesses within Trimble, different industries within Trimble. Right now, we're also focused on the direct side of our business. We also have about half of Trimble that transacts Through partner channels, through indirect channels and we'll be doing partner enablement on the systems work as well over time.

Speaker 3

That's helpful. And then just my second question. And as we stress test the Trimble model For recessionary scenarios, could you just talk about the ebb and flow of recurring revenues, your software revenues in that sort of environment And how we should think about that going forward?

Speaker 1

Yes. The best data I can give you on that Chad will be on Page 3 of the presentation that went along with the script. And so when I look at that And we were thinking about the call. We thought it would be constructive to look at the percent of software in Trimble compared to 10 years ago, The amount of recurring revenue or ARR that we have compared to 10 years ago and as well as the margin and cash flow expansion Over that timeframe, we were a company that had $361,000,000 of ARR 10 years ago. We stand this quarter at 1 $51,000,000 in ARR.

Speaker 1

Yes, dollars 1,510,000,000 in ARR. There's not a lot of companies that have that amount of ARR. That's continued to grow. Well, over a longitudinal basis, it's grown 15%. We grew 15% ARR in the quarter.

Speaker 1

We took the guide up to 16% For the year on the ARR, we believe it's the most resilient of the revenue streams that we have, which It's quite logical compared to let's say the hardware businesses which let's say in normal times because right now we do have a backlog in hardware and normal times look Something more like a book and burn business. So there is a cyclical undertone to the secular thesis on the hardware business. But this is a major shift we've had in our business over the last few years. And when we've also done the stress test looking back, You could go back to 2,001. We've looked at the financial crisis in the 2,008, 2009 timeframe.

Speaker 1

We've looked at commodity crash in the 20 14, 20 15 Time frame as well as early COVID and we stress tested. You could go back and see how we stress tested on variability in the different End markets as well as revenue streams and that all informs the point of view we put forward on that ARR in the software side of the revenue. Great. Thank you. You bet.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 1

Hey, Jerry. Good morning.

Speaker 5

Rob, I'm wondering if we just pick up that discussion. So it's interesting Because your guidance essentially has you exiting ARR organic growth at about 17% entering the year at 14%. Can you just talk about what's driving the acceleration? And do you see that acceleration continuing Into early 'twenty three, I know you folks have a pipeline measurement mechanism that Gives you pretty good visibility. I'm wondering if you could just touch on what that pipeline looks like as we exit this year.

Speaker 1

The drivers of the ARR growth are going to be bookings And net retention is the 2 major, I'd say, aspects of the ARR growth. So you're right, Jerry, that Yes. By the math, we would see expect to see a tick up at the let's say in the 4th Yes, by the Q4 in the ARR in the growth excuse me of ARR. Our net retention It's running, I'd say, well over 100% across the Trimble businesses. And then the underlying bookings, Bookings have been, I'd say, solid to quite good in the First half of the year, both if we look at a before pricing and after pricing view on that.

Speaker 1

So I think it's one thing that's probably important to communicate is Our growth is not just coming from pricing on a, I'll say, a common unit count. So we are actually driving penetration And to the business, really both software and hardware as well when I say that. Okay. So as it relates to coming into 20 23, and a view on ARR growth. I would be I hold off on, I'd say commenting on a specificity for 2023 view on ARR growth.

Speaker 1

But what I can say is that we would expect to just To your point, Jerry, in terms of the visibility in the pipeline and the math is we'd see double digit growth next year in that ARR. And I think that's the best way I could answer it at this point.

Speaker 5

Super. And then just to shift gears a little bit here. Can you just update us on your plans For subscription transitioning from perpetual license, as you folks are moving towards the platforms that you spoke to, Rob, in the prepared remarks, can you just update us on the size of the businesses that you should be looking

Speaker 1

Yes. Good question, Jerry. So when we look at the if we look at a TTM revenue On Trimble at the moment, we've got over $450,000,000 in perpetual licenses at the moment. Now if we then know we break 450 down. The majority of that is associated with the hardware that we sell.

Speaker 1

So if you're buying, Let's say some of the guidance or some of the GNSS receivers, increasingly we sell software unlocks to increase capability Within the solution. And then from a I'll call it a straight up perpetual software Standalone set of revenue that's actually quite is becoming quite small today.

Speaker 3

That's

Speaker 1

right. And that I'd say is Kudos to our teams having gone through a lot of the transitions most recently in the Tecla Structures Business has been one of the ones that's done the conversion over the last 12 months, which is part of what's throttled some of the revenue, Top line revenue this year, but also been part of the acceleration of the overall ARR from that team. What I'd also want to say Jerry is when we look at the software that is associated with that hardware, it is our intention And I'd say the near to midterm to move more of that to a recurring basis because we do think that we can continue to provide Value to our customers through for this firmware, the software over the air updates, which you see in some other industries like automotive, for example. So I'd say watch out for that over time and for us to update as we move further along with that. And then hey, we've also talked a little bit about Our hardware businesses where we want to move more of those towards a subscription offering as we can provide technology assurance to our customers.

Speaker 5

Super. We look forward to you folks charging for heated seats. Thanks for that.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kristen Owen with Oppenheimer.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. I wanted to actually piggyback on that last question and ask specifically about The recurring rates that you noted in geospatial, I'm wondering is that coming on top of hardware sales? Can you talk about maybe what attach rates look like? And I'm just thinking about what the total addressable market could be for your recurring revenue streams In geospatial, just given the breadth of the hardware that you have in place.

Speaker 1

Well, good morning, Kristen. So Geospatial is the most hardware centric Of the businesses that we have and we started so therefore it has the least amount of software, least amount of recurring revenue at an absolute dollar level. What the team has done is they have moved more of the some more of the software revenue that is in the business to Recurring, so I'd say on a percentage basis, the ARR is growing nicely in geospatial as it's growing off a smaller base And earlier in the transition, so there's a little bit of the percentages. If I'm only looking at that segment, that is a result of that math, That dilutes at the total company level. So it's really the other businesses that are driving the total company ARR dollars forward.

Speaker 1

But you asked a good question, which is, okay, given the amount of hardware that we have in that business, could that look more Software centric in the future and have more unlocked. And I'd say definitively, yes. One example is we have We call it a soft GNSS product. It's called Trimble Catalyst and it's think of it as positioning as a service. It's Probably the best way to describe it.

Speaker 1

And we're seeing some really interesting levels of adoption This positioning as a service and some applications that we wouldn't have expected to see before, in some cases, in some traditional markets like a GIS Mark, where it's taking up. We also have seen I'm giving you just a couple of examples. I wouldn't say Across the business, but we've got a customer in the state of Florida where we did a competitive switch And we move that customer entirely to an as a service basis, everything, the hardware and the software, everything. Think of it as like as a white glove service To that customer. So I do think that there's opportunity for the team to do that.

Speaker 1

And actually one of the things That I think is really interesting that the team and very good that the team is doing is we're consolidating the number of I'll say software products We have. So we're going from many and to really just a couple and we're taking a mindset of microservices architecture mindset. So Capabilities such as photogrammetry or image recognition, we take as a microservice That's sold on our Trimble Business Center Software Platform within Geospatial. And so I think that does make for some interesting Upsell and recurring revenue opportunities over time. Now the size of the addressable market, I think, Kristen, will be lower than what we have And our other markets just by nature of the still of the underlying fundamental solution.

Speaker 6

That's super helpful. So then just thinking about what the business models Look like and maybe using Construction 1 as the first iteration of this. I mean, are you thinking that The Construction 1 ultimately looks like a typical subscription model or should we be thinking about this as Moving toward something that's more consumption based, like where you could flex up and down based on your needs, just Thinking about the different models that you could approach with that platform. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes, it's a terrific question, Kristen. In the short term, it will look more like a typical subscription model. But I will say we have a couple of the businesses that Really are more on a consumption basis today. It could be consumption on a seasonal basis, let's say, on a farm cycle basis. It's in our Tekla Structures business.

Speaker 1

We have customers who will buy for the duration of our project. So that is something closer to consumption. I think if we were to fast forward, I don't know, I'll pick a number 10 years. I think what comes after the typical subscription model does Start to look like consumption on a longitudinal basis. And at that point, then you have to ask, are you really Should you be talking about recurring revenue at that point or is it total revenue to the metric shift over time?

Speaker 1

So we'll have a little bit of that consumption, But the vast majority in the next few years will look like a typical subscription model.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Ho with William Blair.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning. I just wanted to maybe start out with your thoughts around the Pricing actions that you're taking, is there a way you can provide us with a little bit of color in terms of the absolute levels as well as realization Just given some of the inflationary pressure and FX pressures that your customers are facing.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Jonathan. So fifty-fifty is the answer. We think it's 50% price, 50% I'll say underlying unit volume, we think that weighted a bit higher on pricing probably in the first half of the year and we'll Wait a little bit more on the unit volume in the second half of the year. There's some differences in the different businesses ag, construction and whatnot. But there's a bit of a false precision that you can have here in trying to totally quantify this, but that's the best direction I can give you is About half and

Speaker 7

half. Got it. And then just in terms of your comments about Being much more secular play than cyclical, can you talk a little bit about some of these conversations that you had with Large customers and their prioritization of Trimble over maybe more traditional cyclical acquisitions. And yes, I guess what are you hearing from customers when it comes to preserving their budget spend with Trimble? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. So one of the things we hear from customers relative to the business model is when you have the When you move from CapEx to OpEx, there are a set of customers that you can reach that you weren't previously reaching. So one of the things we've seen When we transition the model in our SketchUp product and I'll say a shout out to that team, they're on 11 quarters in a row Of over 45% year over year ARR growth, far exceeding what I thought was possible. They've done a terrific job Our Tekla Structures business is that's moved to subscription. We're seeing that we're getting customers that we weren't before.

Speaker 1

So it is, I'd say, Increasing the size of the addressable market, that's a very attractive thing. Okay. So at the largest companies, that's not we were already working with many of these The companies, what they one of the things they like about is the ability to attach the cost of the technology to the specific job, so the billing So there are some customers who are attracted to that for that reason. Some customers like the ability if they can flex licenses up or down depending on because we're moving more and more to named user licenses. If they can flex up or down That provides value to our customers and that will be something that and that is something that's on the top of their mind.

Speaker 1

One of the things in addition we see is, as we move to Trimble Construction 1, let's say that let's talk about Frame agreement part of this is our customers are these big customers and I met within Europe were Looking to have just one set of terms and conditions and one contract, one frame agreement for them to be able to buy Trimble. And we see some customers, not all, but some customers of the big customers, looking to Essentially act more like one company and really challenge some of their old paradigms of where technology decisions are made on the individual projects versus trying to drive, I'll say more corporate efficiency and effectiveness. And so as we moved for them as we move the subscription offering, it makes it easier for them to consume A larger amount of Trimble Technology. So I felt quite validated with the Customers I've met with over the last weeks that this is very much the direction they want us to go. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tami Zakaria with JPMorgan.

Speaker 8

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So I wanted to understand your organic growth guide a little better. I think you lowered your guide by about 1%, which seems relatively modest when Contrasting that to your comment about moderation in several end markets. So can you help us bridge the 2?

Speaker 8

Is it that your Backlog is supporting your growth outlook this year, but you're seeing new order growth that is expected to be delivered after this fiscal, we're seeing more

Speaker 1

Well, good morning. I'll start and David if I leave something out you can jump in On this, a couple dynamics on that inflection. If I look back to 3 months ago, We had come out of the first Quarter. And if I take a market like European agriculture in Europe, that had done quite well at the beginning of the year. That was the same time That we made the decision to exit the Russia business.

Speaker 1

The Ukraine business is effectively shut down at the moment given the war. Between the two, that's $65,000,000 of revenue. It was my belief that at the 3 months ago that the market was so strong that Could absorb that $65,000,000 when I was looking at the backlog. I'd say 3 months later, I was a little too optimistic on that. And if I look at the Ag Business for the second, well, actually Up level to the segment, the Resources and Utilities segment, we still expect double digit organic growth in the second half of the year and I really don't want that point to be lost Through my commentary, so we're maintaining a view of double digit organic growth in agriculture.

Speaker 1

And to me the delta from the commentary a few months ago is one of the deltas is that I see less ability for that Russia business To just get absorbed into the system and I which I should also say, the majority of our Russia and Ukraine business It was agriculture, strong majority of it. Now connect to the other part of your question on the backlog. We still are running backlog that's I'd say a good $140,000,000 ahead of where we would typically see backlog if we're looking back on a longitudinal basis. I think we'll end the year with a higher level of backlog than we expected 3 months ago, different by some of the different businesses And Trimble and that connects to the commentary around supply chain. David, did I leave anything else?

Speaker 9

No, I'll just sort of put what you said in numbers, Rob. If you look at the midpoint of the revenue guide down $50,000,000 half of that's currency, as Rob said. The rest is a mix of demand and supply. There's actually in a context of an improving supply chain overall, there are some new Component supply issues that we actually didn't anticipate a quarter ago that will pinch Our Resource Business and Geospatial, so as Rob said, that will that demand is not expiring. We're just going to end up And then there's some residual demand.

Speaker 9

The ag business in Europe been really tough for all the reasons Rob mentioned. There's not only high inflation, but they've had epic heat with lack of productivity. There are issues with constrained availability of fuel. So the sentiment in the ag business globally is definitely less Was a quarter ago and we see it more in Europe, but the demand part of the guide adjustment is quite small.

Speaker 8

Got it. That's helpful. And quickly, can you remind us Your exposure to the residential market across the 4 segments and whether you're seeing any slowdown in the resi end market?

Speaker 1

Well, okay, transportation, no exposure, agriculture, resources and utilities, excuse me, No exposure. In the Geospatial and the B and I businesses, I'll kind of up level those to engineering and construction. I'd say yes, we do have exposure to residential. It's not kind of an existential exposure. And what I'd want to say is While residential inflected, I'd say negative or worse over the last couple of months on an absolute basis, It's still a very high number.

Speaker 1

And so we haven't seen any meaningful inflections and down in our business From residential at this point, we haven't. And I'll give you an example in the civil construction business over the last Number of years and we've moved towards putting more and more of the technology on excavators since the largest machine count in the world, lowest level of penetration. That has translated over the last couple of years into more work being done on the bigger residential developments. Just doing a one single family house, You're not going to I don't think you're going to use my guess is you're going to not many people are using the technology yet. But you take the larger developments And they are starting to use technology for site preparation.

Speaker 1

And the vertical construction side of our business, I'd say it's a minor level Of exposure that we have in a geospatial business, you know a surveyor, most surveyors do multiple types of work. So there I wouldn't say there's many that only do one type of work. Like they only do residential. I'm not aware of surveyors Who would at least many surveyors who would only do that. An anecdote, I was talking to one of our dealer partners in Florida.

Speaker 1

He told me that they were seeing residential go down in Florida, but at the same time the Entertainment Business, the theme park work was going way up and completely offsetting what they were seeing as a down On residential. So the work does move around. We clearly need to pay attention to it, Both in Europe as well as here in the States and then pay attention regionally as well as we've seen the movements On residential work, but our contractors are busy. They've got the backlog. They're working through it.

Speaker 1

So to me, It's going to be a question of what happens to the size of the backlog in these different end markets that are served. We obviously, We think about residential. We think more about infrastructure. We think about commercial work. We think about Segments such as EPC and follow the trends in all of these.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thank you so much and have a great weekend.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Lempinski with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 10

Hi, team. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the quarter. Maybe if I could ask you a question just on the transportation business since We didn't touch too much on that. It looks like the performance for the subscription businesses is definitely improving, but you did note Reduced Hardware Sales in North America.

Speaker 10

I guess just wondering is that related to any mix within the portfolio of just where you're seeing Traction with solutions or improvement. And then you have talked about selling some of that hardware as part of a bundle in the past. Just wondering if That has any factor too.

Speaker 1

Yes, good morning and good question to clarify here. So the hardware sales, yes, this is hardware, primarily that's associated with essentially a telematic We call it our mobility business. So you buy an onboard computer that's the enabling technology for the, I'll call it, the long tail subscription And we sell on a per truck basis. We sell to we have an OEM business, as well as an aftermarket business. We are primarily an Aftermarket business, one of the inflections down we saw in the hardware business was one of our OEM partners taking less volume In the quarter than we anticipated, and that's been fluctuating up and down because as we know, both ourselves, but in this case, an OEM partner, They've got their own supply chain fluctuations independent of Trimble.

Speaker 1

So that was one inflection on the hardware For the quarter and then in the aftermarket, I'd say that was lower than we had anticipated as well. We have launched an updated, I'll say offering, I talked about it in the prepared remarks. And we've got our biggest user conference in About a week and a half that starts, which is our, I'd say, our best venue to roll out what we're doing in that business. So I'd say we're Maybe a couple of months few months behind where I thought we might be at this point in driving new business, but we are seeing the pipeline pick up Around it. And then you noted the important point, which to me is the thing I didn't want to be lost in the commentary is that of ARR And the sequential growth in the ARR and its growth in ARR and sequential growth.

Speaker 1

And if you look at the growth from the Q1 and then the growth into the Q2 on the ARR, that's to me is the most attractive Revenue stream well, it's the most attractive revenue stream we have in Trimble. It's the most attractive stream therefore within transportation. And like that's where we've got to keep our eye on us continuing to drive that ARR forward in the business. So our eyes are very much On that, both at the discrete product selling level, in this case, let's say a telematics subscription, but also form of that Trimble Construction 1 For our transportation customers for them to be able to buy, multiple solutions. So even in absence of having a frame around it that like is, I'd say is well positioned as Terminal Construction 1 is at the moment.

Speaker 1

It's not like you have to wait to go and sell the house And transportation. And so, we've got customers today who will buy our enterprise ERP solutions So we have customers who are buying all of that today from us. And like our other businesses, we think that there's An attractive opportunity to upsell and cross sell within the base. We'll talk a little bit more about it at Investor Day, but more than 90% Of the top 200 trucking companies in North America are Trimble customers. Today, Trimble Transportation customers and the majority of those The very, very strong majority of those are not buying everything they could be buying from us.

Speaker 1

So we need to We continue to work at the go to market and product level to get the I'll say deliver the most customer value so that we can Increase the level of penetration into that market segment.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you. That was very clear.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call over to the speakers for any closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you all. Thank you for attending the call. We look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Operator

Trimble will be having an Investor Day on September 7th and hope you can make it. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect at this

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