American Airlines Group Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 26, 2023
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Operator

Thank you for standing-by and welcome to American Airlines Group's Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to hand the call over to Managing Director of Investor Relations, Scott Long. Please go-ahead.

Scott Long
Managing Director, Investor Relations at American Airlines Group

Thank you, Latif. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the American Airlines Group fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call.

On the call this morning, we have our CEO, Robert Isom; our Vice-Chair, President of American Eagle and Strategic Advisor, Derek Kerr; and our new CFO, Devon May. A number of our other senior executives are also on the call for the Q&A session. Robert will start the call this morning with an overview of our performance and our 2023 priorities. Derek will follow with details on the fourth quarter and full year and Devon will then outline our operating plans and outlook going forward. After Devon's comments, we'll open the call for analyst questions followed by questions from the media. To get in as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.

Before we begin today, we must state that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements concerning future revenues, costs, forecasts of capacity and fleet plans. These statements represent our predictions and expectations of future events, but numerous risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ from those projected. Information about some of these risks and uncertainties can be found in our earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2022.

In addition, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures this morning, which exclude the impact of unusual items. A reconciliation of those numbers to the GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings press release, which can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. Webcast of this call will also be archived on our website. The information we're giving you on the call this morning is as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update the information subsequently. Thanks for your interest and for joining us this morning.

And with that, I will turn the call over to our CEO, Robert Isom.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us.

This morning, American reported a fourth quarter GAAP net income of $803 million and a full year net income up $127 million. Excluding net special items, we reported a fourth quarter net income of $827 million and a full year net income of $328 million. Our performance in the fourth quarter and for the full year was driven by continued strength of demand and revenue environment and incredible efforts of the American Airlines team. We're tremendously proud what the team has accomplished over the past year. We are committed to running a reliable operation and we're delivering. Coming out of the holidays, American had the best completion factor of any major US airline. We also said we would return American to profitability and we've done that as well.

Our team has delivered a third consecutive quarterly profit and fourth quarter margins that are higher than the fourth quarter of 2019, despite our fuel price increasing by approximately 70%. We generated nearly $2.4 billion in pretax profits over the past three quarters and we're pleased to report a full year profit for the first time since 2019. In addition to running a reliable operation and generating sustained profit, we're making significant progress on repairing our balance sheet. We recently prepaid a $1.2 billion term-loan a year before its scheduled maturity date, and we have now reduced our total debt by more than $8 billion from peak levels in mid-2021. This puts us well past the halfway point of our $15 billion total debt reduction goal, only 18 months into the program. Derek will talk more about our deleveraging plans in just a few minutes. I'll talk more about the fourth quarter and full year results.

We produced revenues of $13.2 billion in the fourth quarter, an increase of 16.6% versus 2019 and the highest fourth quarter revenue in company history. Notably, we achieved this record revenue while flying 6.1% less capacity than we did in the fourth quarter of 2019. American also produced record revenues of $49 billion for the full year, which is a 7% increase over 2019, while flying 8.70% less capacity. Demand remains strong and our revenue performance is in-line with our expectations following our strong holiday performance. Post-holiday bookings are off to a strong start. In fact, this is our best-ever post-holiday booking period with broad strength across all entities and travel periods. Demand for domestic and short-haul international travel continues to lead the way. We expect the strong demand environment to continue in 2023 and anticipate further improvement in demand for long-haul international travel this year.

Now turning to the operation. The American Airlines team delivered a fantastic performance in the fourth quarter. We operated more than 475,000 flights in the quarter with an average load factor of approximately 84%. So, we ranked first in completion factor among the ninth largest US carriers. Our team delivered an even stronger performance over the holidays. Despite the challenging conditions in many parts of the country, American outperformed the industry over the December holiday period, ranking first-in completion factor. Key to our success, there's been sizing our airline for the resources we have available and the operating conditions we expect to encounter and we will continue to do that going forward.

We're doubling down on our efforts to run a reliable operation in 2023, including investing in our team, our fleet and technology to support our operations and we're seeing this work pay off as our operations is off to a strong start just a few weeks into 2023, including the best on-time arrival performance for the ninth largest US carrier so far this year. America is proud to operate the simplest, youngest and most efficient fleet among US network carriers. In August, we began taking deliveries of new 788 aircraft from Boeing for the first time in 15 months. In the fourth quarter, we took delivery of five 788's and we expect to receive the remaining four in the first-half of 2023. Our Boeing 789's are expected to be delivered starting in 2024.

During the fourth quarter, we also took delivery of seven A321neos, three E175s and five 737-800s from long-term storage. Derek will talk more about that. But what I'd like to say is that the results the American Airlines team produced in 2022 and what we are projecting in 2023 are proof positive that the actions we have taken in recent years that put us in a position of strength and allowed us to take full advantage of the recovery. We spent more than five years and the most complex integration in the history of the airline industry, three years navigated the pandemic and making the airline more efficient and now, we're poised to drive the business forward in 2023 and beyond. We have simplified and harmonized our fleet, modernizing our facilities, fine-tuned our network to focus on the most profitable flight, developed new partnerships, introduced new tools for our customers and team, and hired tens of thousands of people. Through it all, the American Airlines team has gone above and beyond to deliver strong operational and financial results.

Now, before I turn it over to Derek to provide more detail on our 2022 financial performance, I want to thank him for his partnership over the past 20 years as CFO. He's a great friend and has been a trusted advisors throughout my career. Quite simply, he is the best CFO in the history of the airline industry. His financial leadership has helped create the largest airline in the world, the mergers of America West and US Airways in 2005 and US Airways and American in 2013. Derek was instrumental in raising $25 billion in capital during the pandemic to ensure American would not just survive, but also be in a position to thrive on the other side of it. And I'm very pleased that Derek will remain at American Vice-Chairman and continue to lead our American Eagle and Cargo teams and serve as a Strategic Advisor to the company.

As we look-forward to 2023, we remain focused on running a reliable operation, achieving sustained profitability and reducing debt. We have made tremendous progress in all three of these areas thanks to Derek's leadership and we will continue to sharpen that focus with Devon May as our CFO. And on behalf of the entire American Airlines team, I want to thank Derek for his leadership and tremendous contributions to the airline as our CFO.

And now, I'll hand it over to Derek.

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

Well, thank you, Robert. Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

It's been an honor -- tremendous honor to serve as CFO of American, US Airways and America West over the past 20 years. I'm incredibly proud of what the team has accomplished in that time. Now on to the business in the morning. Excluding special items, we reported a fourth quarter net income of $827 million or earnings of and $1.17 per diluted share. We produced our best fourth quarter pretax margin since 2016 when we produced roughly the same results at fuel prices that were nearly double the price per gallon lower than 2022. Throughout 2022, you heard us talk about our focus on returning the airline to profitability and we have done that. We achieved a full year profit due to continued demand strength and the hard work of our team despite a $1.9 billion pretax loss in the first-quarter. Excluding net special items, we produced the full year net income of $328 million or $0.50 per diluted share. Fourth quarter revenue far exceeded our initial guidance due to continued strong demand. Revenue in the fourth quarter was higher than any fourth quarter in company history.

As Robert mentioned, the domestic and short-haul international entities continue to lead the way and we expect further improvement in long-haul international as we continue to grow back our capacity. Costs for the quarter excluding fuel, came in at the high-end of our initial guidance, ranged primarily due to higher profit-sharing expense, driven by higher earnings in the quarter. American is proud to operate the simple, youngest and efficient fleet among US network carriers. In August, we began taking deliveries of our new 788 aircraft from Boeing for the first time in 15 months. In the fourth quarter, we took delivery of five 788's and we expect to receive the remaining four in the first half of 2023. Our Boeing 789's are expected to be delivered starting in 2024.

During the fourth quarter, we also took delivery of seven A321neos, three E175s and reactivated five 737-8s from long-term storage. In 2023, we expect to take delivery of two A321neos and we plan to reactivate nine more 738 from long-term storage. Based on our latest guidance from Boeing, we now expect to take delivery of seventeen 737 MAX 8's in 2023 compared to Boeing's contractual commitment of 27 deliveries. This change in timing will shift planned capex out of 2023 and into future years. Our 2023 aircraft capex is now expected to be approximately $1.5 billion. Repairing, our balance sheet remains a top priority and our actions in the fourth quarter show our commitment to debt reduction.

In the fourth quarter, we repaid $1.2 billion term loans secured by domestic slots. This prepayment increased estimated first-lien borrowing capacity to $10.3 billion and addressed our most significant 2023 maturity. With the actions we've taken, we have now reduced our total debt by $8.2 billion or more than half of our goal to reduce total debt by $15 billion by the end of 2025, only 18 months into our deleveraging program. We ended the year with $12 billion of total available liquidity. We will continue to balance both debt reduction opportunities and investments in the business while meeting appropriate target liquidity levels. We will target $10 billion to $12 billion in total liquidity in the medium-term and intend to utilize excess liquidity to accelerate our deleveraging initiative at the appropriate time. With no meaningful maturity towers until 2025, we have the flexibility as to how and when we begin to address those instruments.

With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to our new CFO, Devon May, who will share our outlook for 2023. Devon has more than 20 years of airline industry experience across finance, operations, network planning and alliances, and he is the perfect person to lead our finance organization going forward. He has been an integral part of our executive team for more than a decade, and he has built a great team around him. The CFO transition has been and will continue to be a seamless one.

With that, I will turn it over to Devon.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Thank you, Derek, and good morning everyone.

Before I get into our guidance, I want to start by thanking Derek for his leadership over the past 20 years. I've had the privilege of working with Derek since 2002 when I joined America West Airlines. He has been a close friend and mentor during this time, and our airline is set-up well for the future because of his leadership. I'm honored to be taking on the CFO role and being part of an incredible Senior Leadership team. I look-forward to leading the financing and building on the progress we've made on our financial priorities.

For 2023, we will continue to size the airline for the resources we have, with a focus on reliability and sustained profitability. We continue to expect to produce capacity that is 95% to 100% of 2019 levels. We're up approximately 5% to 8% year-over-year. We are on-track to hire over 2,000 mainline pilots in 2023 and we expect to achieve our run-rate level of training throughput in the back-half of this year, allowing for further aircraft utilization improvement in 2024. We continue to expect regional pilot affordability to be constrained throughout this year and net. Demand for air travel strengthened as we went through 2022 and we expect industry revenue will return with historical share of GDP in 2023. Given our level of capacity production, the strength of our network and industry supply constraints, we expect total unit revenue to be up low-single digits year-over-year.

For the full year, we expect CASM-ex to be up 2% to 5% versus 2022. These projections include the estimated impact of anticipated labor agreement, which account for roughly three points of CASM-ex fuel. For the full year, we expect to produce earnings of $2.50 to $3.50 per diluted share. Using the midpoint of our EPS guidance, we are forecasting operating cash flows of approximately $5.5 billion and free-cash flow of nearly $3 billion. Looking into the first quarter, we expect to produce an operating margin of between 2.5% and 4.5% based on our current demand and fuel price forecast. And while we are eager to get new labor agreements ratified, given where we are at in the quarter and the time required for ratification, we do not anticipate ratify a new contracts prior to the end of the first quarter. If that doesn't occur, we will update our guidance accordingly.

In the first quarter, continued strength in demand is expected to result in total revenue per available seat mile that is 24% to 27% higher year-over-year. Our first quarter CASM excluding fuel and net special items is expected to be flat to down 3% year-over-year. The current fuel forecast for the first quarter assumes a fuel price between $3.33 and $3.38 per gallon and full year price of between $3 and $3.10 cents per gallon. As Derek noted earlier, we will continue to focus on debt reduction and I'm proud of the progress we've made to date. In 2023, we expect to make further progress on our $15 billion debt reduction goal. We will use our free-cash flow to pay down $3.3 billion in debt amortization this year and we expect that by the end of 2023, we will have reduced total debt by $10 billion to $11 billion from peak levels in mid-2021.

Based on the forecast I just provided, we expect that by the end of the first quarter, we will have a lower net-debt and better net debt to EBITDAR than we did at the end of 2019 and by the end of the year, we anticipate having the lowest net-debt to EBITDA ratio we have had since 2017. In conclusion, in 2023, we will continue to focus on delivering on our stated objectives. We are set up to run a reliable airline, grow margin and strengthen the balance sheet. Importantly, American is uniquely positioned to deliver substantial free cash flow in 2023. The confidence in our ability to execute on these goals is due to our world-class network and incredible team.

With that, let's open the line for analyst questions.

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Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Helane Becker of Cowen. Please go ahead, Helane.

Helane Becker
Analyst at Cowen

Thanks very much, operator. Hi everybody, and thanks for your time. Derek, I'm going to miss you, but good to know that you'll still be at the company.

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

Thanks, Helane.

Helane Becker
Analyst at Cowen

Sorry, about Michigan. Yeah, so here's my question, actually, two. The first one is on capex. One, the guidance that you gave for capex seems low in light of the fact that you're taking four 787-8's this year, is that a mix where it's leased versus owned in there?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Hi Helane, this is Devon. That is what's happening with capex this year. So, we're taken delivery of 23 airplanes, four of those are 788's, which are directly. So those four are not included in the capex guidance.

Helane Becker
Analyst at Cowen

Okay, all right, that's very helpful. And then just for my follow-up question, as you're thinking about long-haul international, do you see in your bookings -- I think you mentioned that you think it will improve as the year goes on. Do you see that in bookings that's already starting to occur at some point in first or second quarter?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Hi Helane, this is Vasu. And yes, is the short answer. We very much see it in bookings. It's -- we started seeing it frankly in Q4 of last year. In Q1, we see continued strength across all of the geographies that we have and that's continuing out into the summer. So, we are very encouraged by the trends that we're seeing, all the more encouraged, because it is coming often at lower cost of sale and we're still building business-class cabins and things like that.

Helane Becker
Analyst at Cowen

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Catherine O'Brien of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open, Catherine.

Catherine O'Brien
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hey, good morning, everyone. Also want to add my congrats to Derek on a wonderful career. And then just on your operational performance really stood out during the issues the industry experienced over the holidays. Obviously, it wasn't anything geographical considering what happened with some of your peers. So, can you walk us through what you think drove it? Were there investments being made behind the scenes over the last couple of years that maybe just got smaller billing than the aircraft investments?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Catherine. Thanks, hey, we're really proud of the operating performance, but it's something that we've been working on a long time and it starts with making sure that we have the resources available to fly the schedule. We don't schedule that we're not confident that we can really fly. That's where we start. And then, yes, its investments in so many different places. We benefit from having the youngest, most efficient fleet of aircraft. We spent a tremendous time investing in technology to make sure that we can identify where our crews and our planes and our maintenance requirements are, but really I want to give credit to the team here. We have so much experience on board that we're just really watchful and it all came together over the holidays. The investments we've made, the team that we have out there making sure that we have the right schedule.

I've got David Seymour here as well who probably want to add to it. Look, there's a lot of good decision-making going on out there too.

David Seymour
Chief Operating Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, Robert, to emphasize the point you talked about, but another key item here is for these storms, we've been very focused on recovery after that because it's so critical to us is one that I think throughout this year, we're doing better and better on and we certainly showed that over the holidays. But the key for us along with having more -- new positions that we put in there and focus when we have storms like this, we've changed a lot of our processes and procedures that we had how we manage these. And then, we've also been partnered with our IT group and really enhancing some of the technology resources that we have to manage through these events because they changed very dynamically and very quickly and we have to stay in front of them.

But more importantly, as the recovery we started looking at that as a forward look of what the storm potentially could be, has started building our recovery plan before the storms yet and that's where we're very focused on. So again, as Robert said, very proud of the team, very proud of the partnership with all the whole airline because it's not just operations, it's a lot of our support groups that are very critical to us getting through these. So, a great job and we continue to improve on that.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

And Catherine. It speaks to what we're going to be focused on one word as well. It's still reliability and profitability here and we're going to try to get better every day. Today, we have another 5,000 plus flights and 0.5 million customers that we have to service, and so we make it our business to take care of people every day. So, we're back out of the business. Thank you.

Catherine O'Brien
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

That's great. That's proper color. But if I could just sneak one more in, maybe for Vasu. Can you just help us think about some of the assumptions that drive your full year revenue outlook like what are the assumptions on business international recovery is there an assumption in there that the industry is going to pass on higher price of labor and fuel on a one for one basis? Just any thoughts that drive the full year revenue outlook. Thanks.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Absolutely. I would be happy to do that. Look, first of all, in our revenue forecast, we don't assume any change to some of the fundamentals of airline demand. We presume that airline industry revenues well regain its historical relationship with GDP roughly about a point of percent. We also presume the same historical relationship between revenue and fuel prices. But what is very important is that, as we've talked about for some time, what's different about us is that we have used the last few years to really materially change our network, our partnerships, and our fleet, and that really bleeds through in our forecast for next year.

If you compare our capacity mix just in future schedules that we have published that what we did in 2019, we've taken five points of capacity out of our lowest RASM, lowest margin, long haul flights, and we've grown five points of capacity in our highest margin short- haul flights. Additionally, within the short-haul system, we've taken five point capacity from some of our lowest performing, lowest RASM markets, and redeployed it into our Sunbelt hubs, which are not just our highest RASM market, but some of the highest RASM markets in the industry. So when you think about that, that's 10 points of capacity mix that we've taken from truly the lowest RASM, lowest margin things, and put into some of the highest margin things that are out there. And you're seeing some of that trend already in 22. I think that have been in our past schedules. You see it in our quarter one schedules and that drives a lot of our revenue performance.

Now, to put that into a bit of focus, 10 points of capacity in an airline of our size, you can think of that as a larger than just about any airline hub with the exception of DFW, Charlotte and maybe one or two other hubs that our competitors operate in. So, that is a material reworking of our airline network over the last few years. But what is just as important is how we have done it, which is really do a significant amount of fleet simplification. So we -- over the last few years, we've shared 50 long-haul capable airplanes, many of which were really inefficient like the 757 and 767, we have up gauged both the regional jet and the main lines that we've got and we simplified the airline down to four fleet types. So what that enables us to do is, in the fleet that's left, we can much more dynamically alter schedules to follow where the demand is, but we can produce schedules that as you heard David and Robert talk about, a lot more operable and frankly a lot more efficient. So we've seen the benefits of that in our recent revenue performance and we anticipate the benefits of that in the year ahead.

Catherine O'Brien
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker of JPMorgan. Your question please, Jamie.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hey, good morning, everybody. First, Derek, what a run you've had. Just wanted to wish you the very best from the JPMorgan team as you transition. I still remember hanging up on you on October 24, 2003. Apologies again for that. Hopefully, it's what right now.

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

Thanks, Jamie.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Question for Vasu. So Southwest cited passenger cancellations didn't book away as part of its first quarter guide this morning, I'm wondering what the benefit for American in Dallas and Chicago might look like and whether you see share tapering back to pre-December levels in March or do you think there is possibly a longer tail to any Southwest benefit that you might be picking up after all. I mean your on time and -- excuse me, your on time and completion factor is obviously speak for themselves over the holidays.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, hey, Jamie thanks for the question. And look, we don't see any recognizable benefit from what other airlines are doing. For us, it really is a simple as when we go, put the flights in place that people want to go and operate it well, the bookings come, the revenue materializes, and there's really not a lot of fact that we can point to beyond that very simple truth.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Okay, fair enough. And as a follow up, Doug wasn't shy in discussing hub profitability in LA, Miami and JFK being the real drags on margin. DC, Charlotte, Dallas, the obvious standouts. And LA has obviously seen some rationalization, you have any contribution up here in my neck of the words. I am just wondering whether your internal model shows the range between your most and least profitable hubs narrowing, and if so, what the specific drivers might be.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, so the short story is, we do see an improvement in very many of our hubs as we've gone and restructured the network and in some cases -- look, as you think about partnerships for us, we don't see those very differently from how we think about our own airline network. When you put a codeshare flight number or a American Airlines operated flight number, it has the same effect, creating more network for customers and there is a real benefit for it. But as much as anything, there's two things going on; one, demographically, we see so much growth in the interior of the country.

And two, what is really driving our hub profitability is for a great number of cities, American Airlines has the best network for so many customers. There's 300 cities that we serve today in 2019, and we serve roughly the same amount of cities. Most of our competitors have actually shrunk the number of cities that we served, but furthermore,, within the cities that we have in about 200 of those 300 cities, we have a material schedule advantage than other airlines that operate there. So that creates an effect that is actually really beneficial across all of the hubs in our network and indeed some of how we see how profitability and how these hubs work together has changed materially through the pandemic. And to my earlier comment, that's why we the restructuring, so much of the airline network that we have.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Excellent.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Jaime, you mentioned. Los Angeles. So I'd like to Vasu to expand on that a little bit look. Look, in Los Angeles, where there is a limit amount of gates and let's face it, we need to use those and we need to use those in a way that is profitable. We've taken a look at that and Vasu can tell you what kind of changes we made.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, look at -- in LA, much like in New York through our partnerships, we've been able to create something really cool for customers where if you think about it in times past, we flew 50 seaters and small RJs in markets where we didn't really have a schedule proposition for customers. And in both of those markets, take it LA and New York, effectively, what we've done is we've turned 50 seaters, which are not particularly efficient and long haulers, 777 that are flying a whole lot farther. So we have up gauged in both of those markets materially. We've been able to use partnerships to go and offer a much broader network for customers. And now we're in this place where a low and behold, we're adding a third LA Heathrow because if it really -- to Robert's point, a very efficient way to go use gaze and leverage what we've got customers.

In New York, so much of our growth is actually powered by long-haul flights that are flying within the partnerships that we have with Qatar, British Airways. And the net effect of that has been really positive. Outside of really good financial results, which we see in our revenue trends, for the first time ever, our top two markets for advantage enrollments are New York and Los Angeles. We're signing up more credit cards there. We are originating -- growing originating market share in those places. So a lot of what we've done is frankly up gauge in those markets. We've gotten a lot smarter about what we do for customers. Yet, at the same time, there partnerships can offer them so much more.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

I'll sound like a broken record, but, thank you yet again, for such a thorough response.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

That's what we do around here, Jaime.

Jamie Baker
Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Indeed.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Group of Wolfe Research. Your line is open, Scott.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hey, thanks, good morning. So if I just look at the first quarter TRASM guide versus Q4, it implies a much sort of bigger drop than normal sequentially, Q4 to Q1. Just any thoughts color there? And then, I want to kind of ask that in the context of fuel, so spot's obviously a lot higher than what you're guiding to. What's your confidence that you can recapture fuel with higher TRASM than you already guiding to for the year?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, hey, Scott, this is Vasu. I'll start and I think, Devon will finish this one out. Look, first and foremost, as we're starting this year, we have been really encouraged by demand trends. Historically, the first three weeks coming out of the holiday season are our strongest sales weeks. These first three weeks have been the strongest that we've seen in the post-merger airline and we're really encouraged by that. And you see that, of course, in our TRASM guide out there.

Now, what is interesting though is as we are building first quarter what is different from times past, as we have been very conscious in Q1 about how we use the airline's resources, its people, its planes, its facilities, everything, largely so that we can have as much of that capacity for the summer peak as possible. So when you look at our Q1, we have peaked the airline a lot less than what we had historically. It's a lower percentage of Q2 than what it's historically been. And that's really a conscious design and you see that is really what you see in our Q4 to Q1 change there and that's sort of a unique thing. And to my earlier point, we don't presume any change to the historical relationship between airline revenues and fuel prices, but Devon may want to add more to that to here.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Just really quickly to comment on fuel price, fuel price forecast is based on Friday's close where Brent was trading, almost exactly where it's at today and then using the forward curve for Brent and correct from there. So, I think our forecast that we have delivered today is pretty much in line with where fuel is at today.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Okay and then just separately, can you just give any color on what you're assuming for the cargo and other revenue, and then the non-OP expenses up a good amount from the Q4 run-rate, any color there? Thank you.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, this is Devon. So just on cargo revenue, we are expecting to be down slightly year-over-year. When it comes to non-OP, the largest change you're seeing in non-OP is due to a non-cash pension credit that we got last year based on the prior year's market performance of our pension assets and what we're relatively low interest rates. This year, we saw interest rate increase, pension assets came down into this non-cash credit that was fairly significant in 2022. It's much smaller in 2023. And that's something that, I'm sure you're hearing from other companies and can see it in other industries.

Scott Group
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, Michael.

Michael Linenberg
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Okay, good morning, everyone. Hey, Derek. I'm going to miss you. I know you're going to still be at the company, but we've had a lot of fun over the years.

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

Yes we had. Thanks, Mike.

Michael Linenberg
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Next drink's on me.

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

Boston trip, never forget.

Michael Linenberg
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Yeah, Boston. Any way just -- I have two here. If I could just start off with Vasu because I think we're trying to get our arms around the run up in fuel and the pass-through, and I think Delta was out there, sort of guiding to 50% -- well, I think exceed 60% of their revenue in premium and ancillary and. I think right now, they're in the mid-50s. And when I think about those revenue segments, many of them come with a price elasticity of demand, it's less than one. Many of them are the types of segments where you can have a fuel surcharge.

And so, Vasu, as you think about it, like sort of what percentage of your routes maybe are subject to fuel surcharges, whether they're international long haul or which ones are premium, corporate, cargo, how should we think about in round numbers, maybe what percent of your revenue, where you stand a very good chance of passing on 100% of the rise in fuel, where do you sit there and just any color on how you guys think about it?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, hey, Mike, it's a great question. And look, I would actually even simplify it further. Look, in the airline network business, if you can offer something unique to the customer, they pay you a premium for it, and it is as simple as that. And so -- and we see it time and time again, we've seen it through the pandemic, the most unique thing we can offer to customers is to take them to places where our competitors can't, add better schedules than what our competitors can do. So as long as that's the case, we find that on those routes, regardless of whether customers purchase a transaction, which is first class or economy or fly for leisure business, they always have yields that index to the top of our system. So if you think about us, right, to my earlier point in 200 to the 300 cities that we serve in the Western Hemisphere, we have a material schedule advantage.

But when you look at it on the number of origin and destination markets that we make and something -- that turns into like something like 65% to 70% of our origin and destination markets, we have a material advantage over what our competitors are. That is what drives our revenue performance. And unsurprisingly demand at large for the airline product is relatively inelastic, but there's so many of those places, it is inelastic. We're also further benefited by just general trends that we're seeing that so much of what is driving the economy and likely to continue to do so, our markets in the Sunbelt and the interiors of the country and less of the coastal markets, which creates an immediate benefit for American Airlines. So we're benefited from that. We're benefited from how we can uniquely serve and are likely to continue to be able to uniquely serve it. And when fuel prices rise, it's a really simple thing for us with any number of ways to go and manage capacity down to the airline continues to produce.

Michael Linenberg
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Very good. And then just second question to Robert. All the talk about capacity constraints across the aviation ecosystem and as I think about American, it feels like things like pilots and mechanics, maybe that's not an issue. If you sort of think about like what are the big hurdles that you have from a constraint issue and is it just that maybe you don't have enough wide-body airplanes and therefore, it's an issue with the OEMs delivering the airplanes that you need, is it air traffic control? Where the roadblocks that running into with respect to constraints in the aviation ecosystem? And thanks for answering my question.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, hey, Mike, thanks for that. And yes, we're in an environment of a lot of constraints coming out of the pandemic. We certainly saw everything last year. It's just things that we never thought we would have issues with, pillows and blankets and food and fuel orders and things like that. You know, we've got our arms around a lot of that, but what we have now is aircraft manufacturers that are just starting to get their feedback under them. I mentioned that Boeing is starting to deliver aircraft, a shout-out to the Boeing team and Dave Calhoun. We need them to keep it up. But there's constraints out there in terms of engines in the aircraft. At American right now, we have really an issue with regional aircraft and then some issue with mainline aircraft.

On the regional side, it's largely a pilot constraint and we're not flying the fleet that we'd like to. Vasu would actually like to deploy more aircraft. Now on that front, it's pretty explainable. It's just a shortfall in pilots. We didn't attract people into the business for a couple of years and we're working our way through that as we have retirements that are coming out the other side. American took the monumental step last year, greatly increasing regional pilot pay. And I think that is the biggest thing that any company can do and has done, actually against the pump primed and people flowing back in, and we're seeing that. We're seeing that we stabilized the pilot ranks at our regionals and we see potential growth as we come through the end of the year.

Now, from a mainline perspective, look, we're going through the greatest training cycle of pilots that we've ever experienced. We had, I think, almost 900 retirements last year, probably nearly the same number this year. So we're stretching our training resources like we never before, but fortunately we planned for this. And so from an equipment perspective like simulators, we've got those in place. One of the things we're really working on is to make sure that we have the people resources and having the check pilots that we need to really address all of our training needs. And I'm hopeful that as we work with the APA and we get a new contract, we will be able to get even more flexibility.

So, overall, I do see from a mainline perspective, we should be through the constraints that related to pilots as we progressed through the year. Regionals probably taken a couple of years. But as we've said, we have aircraft that we can deploy and well and that's going to be done in a very efficient fashion. You mentioned some other areas that are absolutely positively on the horizon. You know the large airports, all have constraints whether that's at the gate or out on the air field. And then we have aerospace issues that clearly, we need to address and that's going to take leadership and fortunately, we're working with the DOT and FA and I know that the Secretary Buttigieg has interest like we all do in making sure that we can invest for the future and it's going to take a long-term view.

But overall, look, these constraints right now are things that we're managing through. I think, both well at least from a demand environment and being able to ensure that we can achieve profitability and over the long-run, we're going to make sure that we have a business model that works in any in the demand environment with any set of constraints.

Michael Linenberg
Analyst at Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft

Great. Thanks, Robert.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Conor Cunningham of Melius Research. Your line is open, Conor.

Conor Cunningham
Analyst at Melius Research

Hi everyone, thank you and congrats, Derek and Devon. It's great to hear. Just on back to Jamie's question on the operation and maybe some of the Southwest. I'm just curious if you could speak to the -- how your conversation with your corporate partners has evolved, given your just operational strength, but I would imagine it would be a lot easier in these days, but can you just talk about how that's changed at all and what your expectation is for new contracts and so on. Thank you.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

So, hey Conor, I'll start, then I'm going to hand straight off to Vasu. But I'll tell you what. One thing that hasn't changed is that reliability get translates into likelihood to recommend, get translates into net promoter scores. And we see it over the holidays and as we really progressed last year and got reliability to a really high level, our scores have improved to the highest levels that we've seen. So those are the kind of things that, I think, that our corporate customers are interested in as well. Vasu?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, Robert. You're 100% right. And so first of, for our customers at large, they clearly benefit from a better operation and we see it for the year. We, as Robert said, we posted our best likelihood to recommend score by a meaningful amount in any time post-merger. And that's no action, that is the operation. But look, what's really important out there is -- yeah, many of our corporate partners are encouraged, but what's really important, and this links back to some of the other questions, is that also the marketplace has changed very meaningfully. As I mentioned on our last call, we see the same trends where roughly 30% of our revenues are coming from what we've historically called leisure, about 45% or blended trips, and only about 25% or what we've historically called business trips. And of that 25% -- historically, that number would have been about 35% in so it's shifted a lot and within the 25%, only about five to seven points of that are coming from contracted corporations. The rest are non-contracted unmanaged businesses who are flying on us.

And what we see amongst those contracted corporations is quite striking. Almost two thirds to 75% of our corporate contracts are actually not fulfilling the terms of their contracts for understandable reasons. For so many companies, it's struggling to bring people back to the office, it's hard to compel them to go do a day trip to Chicago or New York. And so, we see that broadly. And so even though, many customers are happy with our service and many corporate travel buyers are very happy with our service, the reality is. It's the same day corporate business trips, which used to be 3% and 4% of our traffic is less than 1% of our traffic, and that's been out there for a while and we are planning that that's going to be the new norm.

Conor Cunningham
Analyst at Melius Research

Okay, great, that's awesome. And then, I mean, you're talking about free-cash flow again. It's obviously great to hear. I'm just curious how your expectation for future aircraft deliveries has changed. Are you expect -- should we expect that we're going to start paying cash for these planes going forward? I realize that your capex budget is lower, but just curious on how you're thinking about financing those aircraft in the future? Thank you again. Bye.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, this year is a low-point for aircraft capex. We'll see it come up a little bit next year and then get back to more of a run-rate type capital expenditures as we get-out into 2024, 2025. In terms of financing, it's going to be dependent on where the market is at. And so, yeah, there is potential opportunity that we may take cash for some airplanes. But it's dependent on what sort of free-cash flow we are delivering, and what sort of market rates we're able to achieve.

Conor Cunningham
Analyst at Melius Research

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Vernon of Bernstein. Your line is open, David.

David Vernon
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Hey, good morning, everyone. Robert, I wanted to ask you about how we're exiting 2023 on the cost side? You guys have been running pretty clean operation and the margins are obviously pretty healthy. I'm just wondering how much baggage are you carrying into 2023 outlook from lower productivity, more full training classrooms? Is there a way to think about what that penalty would be from a unit cost perspective because of some of those lingering effects of restoring the network embedded inside of this full 2023 guidance?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Well, I'm going to ask Devon to help me out, but David, I would tell you the biggest -- I think, the biggest issue that we have right now is we have aircraft that we could be utilizing at a much higher level. And absolutely positively, we're going through some training cycles that are just unprecedented. And as the hiring is going on at American right now that is going to over time, stabilize and we won't have to work those assets quite as hard. Biggest thing right now is aircraft. Devon, do you want to give some numbers on what do you think about?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, I'd just say for aircraft utilization, we are just starting to approach historical levels, just starting to approach our 2019 levels of aircraft utilization as we get through this year. So like we've talked about, this is the fleet that should be able to produce higher aircraft utilization, obviously, we had prior to the pandemic just recall prior to the pandemic, we had older aircraft, smaller sub fleets that had really high payout ratios. So even though we will likely put more into operational support, than we would have planned to a year or two ago, we still think this is the fleet that can produce significantly higher utilization than what we're doing today.

David Vernon
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. The leverage on the aircraft ownership cost is pretty straightforward. But as you think about increasing that utilization, can you talk about the impact on the -- at the margin on costs and things like labor and the rest of the business? I'm just trying to -- I get a lot of questions about scalability and how unit costs be moving as we're thinking about -- not just '23, but also '23 and '24. Any added color there would be helpful.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah. I think just as Robert said, there's certainly some more operating leverage in the business. And I'm asking specifically about the salary line or the training headwinds. I think that is absolutely a part of it. As we get through this year and get our training throughput to a level where it should be at, I think we are going to see some efficiencies on that side. Now through the rest of the P&L, yes, there is opportunities as we increase aircraft utilization in areas like airport rent line increase and that type of things.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

And in maintenance. When you have aircraft that sit on the ground, especially within our regional fleet, it's not as if those don't require maintenance. So, look, the fleet meant to be flown and whether it's things like rents and landing fees, maintenance, those are the areas that I would probably look to most as being opportunities for us to see much greater efficiency.

David Vernon
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

All right, thanks for that. And then one last real quick one. Free cash flow should be something like 130% of net income based on the guidance today. As you think about the go forward look, I'm just curious about whether you're able to use the loss of the last couple of years, how long is that going effect sort of cash taxes and when do you think cash taxes are going to start to become a part of the equation here? Is that a '24, '25, '26 thing or is that any sense of when that might kick in?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, but we don't expect to be capex fares in that period for at least through 2026.

David Vernon
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Didora of Bank of America. Your question please, Andrew. Andrew, your line is open.

Andrew Didora
Analyst at Bank of America

Hey, good morning, everyone. It's Andrew Didora. Just in terms of the balance sheet and the debt pay down, of the $8 billion of gross paid done thus far, am I doing my calculations right? Is about $3.5 billion of that coming from the pension and then of the $15 billion kind of total gross debt pay down number, how much of that do you assume is just a reduction of pension benefit?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, so that is the right calculation. So in the summer of 2021 when we had historically low interest rates, our pension obligation is obviously, significantly higher. It's been around $2 billion at the end of 2022. By the end of 2025 that are $15 billion goal is still right around that number, maybe a little bit lighter based on expected asset returns and the pension contributions we're going to make.

Andrew Didora
Analyst at Bank of America

Got it. I know you've answered a lot of questions in terms of asset utilization, hiring and things like that, but as you sit here today for your 2023 capacity plan, do you have the pilots and the aircraft in house to hit that plan or does the plan require additional hiring and additional deliveries from the OEMs relative to plan in order to hit that capacity goal? Thanks.

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

We will be hiring pilots throughout the year. We feel really good about the hiring forecast we have and what we're expecting for training throughput. In terms of deliveries as we talked earlier, we do expect to take 23 aircraft this year. Those deliveries would be required to get this plan. I think we've taken a pretty conservative approach to what we have for in-service date. And we feel like this is the plan we're going to be able to hit.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah and Andrew that's -- look as Vasu and Devon did get together to build that the network and work with David Seymour on our operating capacity, we're being really mindful of making sure that we have the resources to fly the schedule. So, there is a confidence factor that we're using in that as well.

Andrew Didora
Analyst at Bank of America

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your question please, Duane.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Hey, good morning. Thanks, congrats to Derek and Devon. Just to follow-up, just where you left off there. I think at one point last year, I believe you paused mainline hiring because of the pilot training throughput and pilot training lead times. Can you just mark-to-market like did you restart hiring, when did you restart hiring and how many incremental do you need to hire to hit your growth plan this year?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, so we were hiring ahead of needs and training throughput as we got later in the year. So we did pause hiring for most of the month of December, I believe. That hiring has resumed here in January. Our expectations are, we're going to hire around 2,000 pilots for this year and probably a little bit on the higher end as we get through the year and training capacity continues to increase.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, thanks. And then just -- most of my questions have been asked, but just an aircraft financing question. So, hypothetically, if you had $100 million in aircraft capex and you debt finance that, where do you see LTVs? So, is it $80 million to $85 million that would go on the balance sheet. Where do you see LTVs and cost of debt today? And alternatively, if you lease that $100 million of growth capex, how much would go on the balance sheet in the form of an operating lease liability?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Okay, there's a lot to that. Our treasury team right now, we have 23 deliveries, 12 of which are already financed. Our financing requirements for the remainder of this year are pretty limited, but those are all the factors that we are going to be looking at is what sort of rates are embedded in the operating leases that are in the market today, what sort of LTV we can get on the debt, what's happening with the rest of the balance sheet and free-cash flow. And they're going to make the right economic decision. So, a great treasury team that they are looking at these remaining nine aircraft we need to finance for this year and looking out 2024 as well.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, fair enough. It's not like, if you will, or if you won't. It's if you do debt finance $100 million in capex, where is the market in terms of that LTV and cost of debt today?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah, it's something that obviously we expect is going to move around over the next handful of months. I don't have a number that I'm ready to give right here today, but it's something stay tight with and we have a team that knows market well.

Duane Pfennigwerth
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, thank you for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our final analyst question before we open the line to media comes from Ravi Shankar of Morgan Stanley. Ravi, your line is open.

Ravi Shankar
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Great, thanks. Good morning, everyone. So one short-term and one long-term question. The short-term question is kind of it's good to hear that you said you are having your best-ever post-holiday booking period so far this year. Can you just expand a little bit more, are you seeing any changes in customer behavior or they flying to different destinations, are they looking to maybe you can downgrade their tickets or look for more flexibility, any signs at all of any change in customer behavior or kind of macro?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, we are seeing some changes in customer behavior. People are -- especially leisure travelers are booking even further out. We see that blended customers are also much more willing to book further out. And third, we see that customers especially blended customers, people purchasing a blended trip, are more willing to buy higher-value fair products and shop directly with us. So we continue to see a world where roughly 60%-ish our revenues are coming directly to us through our.com and mobile app and we see that continuing to grow.

Furthermore, as those blended trips come in our as we call them owned channels, 70% of the people are shopping for the lowest fare end up buying a higher fair than that. So, we're encouraged by that. And then as far as where people are flying, I suppose that's pretty simple too. They're flying everywhere they possibly can, except for places in Asia.

Ravi Shankar
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

That's great to hear. Thanks, Vasu. And then maybe just a follow-up. You guys have come a really long way kind of in the last year going to where everyone was during the pandemic. But the market maybe not recognizing that. So, I am wondering if there's any plan to kind of host an Analyst Day to kind of give us a kind of a long-term plan on strategic priorities, long-term financial guidance as such.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Ravi, thanks for that question. To answer that, we have been really pleased with the work that we've done throughout the pandemic and setting American up. And the answer to your question is yes, we're going to get out and make sure that people know our story. More details on that as the time progresses. But you'll hear more from us on that.

Ravi Shankar
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we would like to open the line to our media questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mary Schlangenstein of Bloomberg. Your line is open, Mary.

Mary Schlangenstein
Analyst at Bloomberg

Hi, thanks, good morning, everybody, and congratulations to Derek and Devon. Yeah, I wanted to ask a couple of business-related questions quickly. On your business travel, whether it's corporate managed or not, do you anticipate any impact from the growing number of companies that are laying off workers, particularly in high-tech, but also now extending to some manufacturing companies? And then my second question is, is your expectation that this blended trips is in fact the structural change within the industry and will not diminish going forward in terms of at least as far out as you can see? Thank you.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, thanks, Mary. This is Vasu and I'll answer the questions in reverse order. First, look, there is -- we do see a meaningful change in the trip purposes that people are booking that there's a lot more blended trips. Even -- so many people who are searching for what conventionally would have been, business style itinerary, we see it in our.com end-up selecting something, which is pretty unconventional, where they stay a Saturday night or they book another person for a midweek trip for something like that. So, we do see that and. And our credit card partners at Citi see the same thing to do that demand for travel is still a really strong category and has preserved -- a travel at large has preserved its relationship with GDP, if not somewhat grown a little bit.

So that -- there is a meaningful thing we're coming out of the pandemic. There's clearly a value the consumer is placing on travel. Then as far as how layoffs are impacting things, look, what's really important to note about business travel is, yes, it's 25% of our revenues, but those companies are intending to do the largest, the biggest -- largest ones tend to buy on a corporate contract. And that's -- so much of that business just really hasn't recovered. And we haven't built an airline plan around it. However, non-contracted business is 100% recovered, contracted business is about 75% recovered. And we don't presume that it grows much further than that. So we aren't seeing a really significant impact, but we also aren't building a plan based on a lot of that demand returning.

Mary Schlangenstein
Analyst at Bloomberg

And is that 75% recovery for contract? Is that down from prior estimates I thought that you had said perhaps 80% in the past?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

No. It's hovered in the -- sorry, Mary. It's hovered in the 75% to 80% range. And to be conservative, we build our plan around the lower end of that.

Mary Schlangenstein
Analyst at Bloomberg

Okay. And that's revenue?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Correct.

Mary Schlangenstein
Analyst at Bloomberg

All right. Thank you.

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

As a percentage of IP.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Leslie Josephs of CNBC. Your line is open, Leslie.

Leslie Josephs
Analyst at CNBC

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. I'm just curious if what your hiring needs are outside of the unionized groups like the offices? And if you're seeing any one apply or maybe you can benefit from some of the tax layoffs? And then secondly, with your plans to do this High J configuration cabin, are you planning to increase staffing at all of cabin crews to kind of handle the more high touch service and more passengers in that cabin? Thanks.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Leslie, I'll start and Cole Brown, our Chief People Officer, can help me out. Look, the hiring in American is really unprecedented levels you know, you mentioned our pilot hiring, yeah, we anticipate 2,000 pilots this year. But over the last two years, and Cole will correct me, I think we've hired almost 40,000 people, which is across all groups. We have a view that we're going to bring folks in, make sure that they're really well trained. But it really is throughout all of our operations and headquarters and administrative staff, and we're going to bring the best and the brightest in.

So Cole, do you want to add anything to that?

Cole Brown
Chief People Officer at American Airlines Group

Yes, Robert. I would just reach what your point that we are taking a hard and thoughtful look as it relates to any hiring outside of operations making sure that we're bringing in the best and brightest, but also that we're seeking through not only what our needs are today or where we're going tomorrow. And some of those skill sets might evolve and change. We have an exciting new CIO that's come on board and he is taking a really important look at our IT organization. And so more to come. But right now, we feel like we are focused on the right things and being very thoughtful and measured in where we are hiring at the corporate level. And certainly, the focus is the areas that we've previously discussed as well.

Leslie Josephs
Analyst at CNBC

Got it. Thanks. And then on the staffing for the High J?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, we're really -- this is Vasu. We're really excited for the new High J product. Our customers love our new business class. And we've gotten great feedback as we've shared concept designs with some of our most loyal customers and our flight attendants. But we haven't yet determined a number of things with how it operates, where it operates, things like that too. So it's a little bit premature right now.

Leslie Josephs
Analyst at CNBC

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Claire Bushey of Financial Times. Your line is open, Claire.

Claire Bushey
Analyst at Financial Times

Hello, thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you're at all concerned about new regulation in response to perceived increasing unreliability of air travel?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Claire. I'll just start. Look, our primary focus is on making sure that we run the best airline we possibly can. That's the way that ultimately we address customers' needs and ensure that our customers are being treated fairly. Of course, we work with Government authorities to make sure that we're taking care of people in the right fashion. Derek do you want to add anything?

Derek Kerr
Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor at American Airlines Group

No. Good Okay.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Thank you, Claire.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Cameron of WSJ. Doug your line is open.

Doug Cameron
Analyst at WSJ

Doug Cameron or is there another Doug?

Operator

Go ahead, Doug Cameron.

Doug Cameron
Analyst at WSJ

Okay, thanks. I've got a hugely loaded question for Devon and Derek and a super quick follow-up for Vasu if you'll let me. The loaded one. You must be relieved that you don't have to finance 100 planes this year given where interest rates are and the bigger ease of supplier delays. Just on that latter point, what sort of complication does the uncertainty of when you actually get planes as opposed to contractually gating them. What does that do to your ability and choices for aircraft finance options?

Devon May
Chief Financial Officer at American Airlines Group

Well, you're right. I am happy that we're taking 23 airplanes and 12 of them are already financed this year. I will say we did go through a huge wave of investment prior to the pandemic. And over that period, I think that the timing is obviously fortunate we're in a nice economic environment, a really good environment for financing those airplanes. As we look out to this year, I don't think the timing of the deliveries as it sits today is too concerning with how we're going to finance the airplane.

More than anything, we just want to make sure the airplanes are delivered and in schedule, so we can run a great operation and have really solid schedules for our customers. So what we've done on that front is we have planned conservatively within in-service base that we believe are coming in far later than when we'll actually take delivery of the airplanes. And that's something that's going to be really great for customers.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah. And we continue to work with both Airbus and Boeing to make sure that we encourage them in an appropriate fashion to deliver on time. And I know that they're working hard to make sure that they can meet our needs.

Doug Cameron
Analyst at WSJ

That's great. And just quickly for Vasu. Vasu, are you seeing any kind of skirmishes on the fare and schedule or scheduling front, just given how competitive capacity trends are going? Or is demand just that strong that you aren't seeing anything anywhere?

Vasu Raja
Chief Commercial Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, thanks for the question. We don't comment on fare and competitive scheduling trends. But I will say we are really encouraged with the demand trends that we see and are very confident in the airline we've set up to go and take care of our customers along the way.

Doug Cameron
Analyst at WSJ

Fair enough. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Arnold of Dallas Morning News. Your line is open, Kyle.

Kyle Arnold
Analyst at Dallas Morning News

Hey, thanks so much. You've had some cuts at the regional level or service to some smaller cities. What's your strategy behind the regional served locations right now? And do you think there'll be further cuts as we continue to go through this pilot shortage at the regional level?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Kyle, I'll just start on this. Look, it's really unfortunate that we've had to reduce service anywhere most -- especially to some of the smaller communities. That's certainly a result of the issues that we faced with pilot staffing at our regional airlines. As I mentioned before, we're working really hard on it. American, I think, has taken the biggest step to get people into the industry of anyone, and I know others have followed us there. That's going to have an impact. We've seen the benefits of those efforts, and we're stabilizing the fleet, and I think that we just grow back from here.

Kyle Arnold
Analyst at Dallas Morning News

Is there any outlook on how long there might be constraints at that level?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Yeah. So I think from a regional perspective, it takes time to get people back into the industry. But again, for anybody that is listening and reading, it's a great time to come into aviation. These are careers. Our pilot careers are ones that are -- can be great quality of life, and also very lucrative as well. And so I think it's an opportunity that as we look to the future, that there are communities that haven't typically been places where we sourced pilots that we're going to look to in the future, we're showing great progress in hiring pilots of color and also female pilots. And I look at that as an opportunity going forward that's going to greatly benefit and really change the face of our flight crews and really looking forward to it. I think it's something that's probably over the course of the next couple of years.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ted Reed of Forbes. Your line is open, Ted.

Ted Reed
Analyst at Forbes

Thanks for taking my question. My question is for Robert. Robert, we've been hearing you say for a long time that you're going to make a reliable airline and a profitable airline and you seem to have done that this year or last year. So now I want to know what is the vision for the future. Can American be restored being the greatest airline as it once we perceive? And do you have a path to do that now that you've started to accomplish your other goals?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Ted. Ted, great to hear from you. Let me just start with this. I'm really pleased with three profitable quarters and producing a profit for the full year in 2022. The things that we've talked about doing are the right things. Getting customers to where they want to go, having the broadest network and doing it in a fashion that can produce profits, pay down debt is exactly where we need to go. And off of that platform, I see great things. But what you're going to see from us as certainly in the near term is more of the same, intense focus on reliability and profitability and accountability.

And for our customers, that's going to mean we're going to deliver for them, deliver with the best network that Vasu has talked about, making sure that we have a travel rewards program that's best in the industry. We're going to operate with excellence, and it's going to require even greater planning and day-to-day execution. And when things don't go right, and let's face it. We're in a business where all sorts of things can happen. We got to be the best at recovering and you're going to see us continue to invest in that. And along the way, we have the opportunity to really make better use of technology to further digitalize our operations and our customer experience.

And Ganesh Jayaram, who's our new CIO, has been charged with executing exactly that. And ultimately, put this all together in a business model that is incredibly efficient improves margins and reduces debt. That's what we're focused on right now. I want to keep the team and their head in the game every day. And really excited about what that means for the future because I do think it means that American is not just more competitive out in the marketplace, but we're going to be more competitive in terms of stock performance as well.

Ted Reed
Analyst at Forbes

Right. Let me just ask a follow-up to that. When you look back at the history of the industry, the people who've been considered the greatest leaders have been the ones who've expanded the airline Bob Crandall. And going forward, I don't mean right away, but over the years, can this airline expand maybe more in Asia or places where you're perceived this week?

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Hey, Ted, just first off, just in terms of ego around here, look, we are focused on business and really making sure that we have the capacity to address the opportunities in the marketplace. American has been around for nine to six years now. We're coming up on our 100th anniversary in 2026. And I want American to be the airlines that meet the needs of our customers, our communities and our shareholders as well. And so we're focused on that right now. And look, we're really encouraged by what we're seeing.

Ted Reed
Analyst at Forbes

All right. Thank you, Robert.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Good to hear from you, Ted.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes the media Q&A. I would now turn the call back over to Robert Isom for closing remarks.

Robert Isom
Chief Executive Officer at American Airlines Group

Thanks for that. Thanks, everybody, for listening in. Look, American is in a position of strength, especially as we take a look at coming out of the pandemic. We're poised to recover. We're going to focus on our goals, reliability, profitability, making sure that we reduce our leverage and put American in a position to take advantage of opportunities that come about. We're really encouraged by the results and excited about the opportunities ahead. Thank you very much.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Corporate Executives
  • Scott Long
    Managing Director, Investor Relations
  • Robert Isom
    Chief Executive Officer
  • Derek Kerr
    Vice Chair, President of American Eagle & Strategic Advisor
  • Devon May
    Chief Financial Officer
  • Vasu Raja
    Chief Commercial Officer
  • David Seymour
    Chief Operating Officer
  • Cole Brown
    Chief People Officer
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