Johnson & Johnson Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 17, 2023

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Johnson and Johnson's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode until the question and answer session of the conference. This call is being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. If you experience technical difficulties during the conference, please press star 0 to reach the operator.

Operator

I would now like to turn the call over to Johnson and Johnson. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning. This is Jessica Moore, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson and Johnson. Welcome to our company's review of the 2023 Third Quarter Business Results and Full Year Financial Outlook. A few logistics before we get into the details. As a reminder, you can find additional materials, including today's presentation and associated schedules on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson and Johnson website at investor.

Speaker 1

Jandj.com. Please note that this presentation contains forward looking statements regarding, among other things, The company's future operating and financial performance, market position and business strategy. You are cautioned not to rely on these forward looking statements, which are based on current expectations of future events using the information available as of the date of this recording and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. A description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2022 Form 10 ks, which is available at investor. Jandj.com and on the SEC's website.

Speaker 1

Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today are being developed in collaboration with strategic partners or licensed from other companies. This slide acknowledges those relationships. Moving to today's agenda. I will start by reviewing the 3rd quarter sales and P and L results for the corporation and highlights related to our 2 businesses. Joe Wach, our CFO, will then provide additional business and financial commentary before sharing an overview of our cash position, capital allocation priorities and updated guidance for 2023.

Speaker 1

The remaining time will be available for your questions. Joaquin Duado, our Chairman and CEO John Reed and Amit Tazell, our Innovative Medicine and MedTech R and D Leaders as well as Eric Hoss, our VP of Litigation, will be joining us for Q and A. To ensure we provide enough time to address your questions, We anticipate the webcast will last approximately 60 minutes. As a reminder, on August 23, 2023, Johnson and Johnson announced the final results of the exchange offer and completion of the separation of Canvue, Inc. Unless otherwise stated, the financial results and guidance highlighted today reflect the continuing operations of Johnson and Johnson.

Speaker 1

We will report the consumer health financial results as discontinued operations. Additionally, going forward, The Pharmaceutical segment will be referred to as Innovative Medicine. Starting with Q3 2023 sales results. Worldwide sales were $21,400,000,000 for the Q3 of 2023, an increase of 6.8% versus the Q3 of 2022. Operational sales growth, which excludes the effect of translational currency, increased 6.4% as currency had a positive impact of 0.4 points.

Speaker 1

In the U. S, sales increased 11.1 In regions outside the U. S, our reported growth was 1.6%. Operational sales growth outside the U. S.

Speaker 1

Was 0.7% with currency positively impacting our reported OUS results by 0.9 points. It is important to note that operational sales in Europe were negatively impacted by the COVID-nineteen vaccine and loss of exclusivity of ZYTIGA. Excluding the net impact of acquisition and divestitures, adjusted operational sales growth was 4.9% worldwide, 8.9% in the U. S. And 0.3% outside the U.

Speaker 1

S. Turning now to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $4,300,000,000 and diluted earnings per share was $1.69 versus diluted earnings per share of $1.62 a year ago. Excluding After tax intangible asset amortization expense and special items for both periods, adjusted net earnings for the quarter were $6,800,000,000 and adjusted diluted earnings per share was $2.66 representing increases of 14.1% 19.3%, respectively, compared to the Q3 of 2022. On an operational basis, adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 13.9%.

Speaker 1

I will now comment on business sales performance. Unless otherwise stated, percentages quoted represent to operational sales change in comparison to the Q3 of 2022 and therefore exclude the impact of currency translation. Beginning with Innovative Medicine. Worldwide Innovative Medicine sales of $13,900,000,000 increased 5.1 percent with growth of 10.9% in the U. S.

Speaker 1

And a decline of 2.3% outside of the U. S. Operational sales growth increased 4.3% as currency had a positive impact of 0.8 points. Excluding COVID-nineteen vaccine sales, worldwide operational sales growth was 8.2% with growth of 10.9% in the U. S.

Speaker 1

And growth of 4.3% outside of the U. S. Sales outside the U. S, excluding the COVID-nineteen vaccine, were negatively impacted by approximately 500 basis points due to the loss of exclusivity of ZYTIGA in Europe. Innovative medicine growth was driven by our key brands and continued uptake from our recently with increases of 20.7% 27%, respectively, due to continued share gains and market growth.

Speaker 1

Within immunology, we saw growth in STELARA and TREMFYA with increases of 15.8% and 21.5%, respectively. This growth was predominantly driven by favorable patient mix and market growth. Turning to newly launched products. We continue to make progress on our launches of CARVICTI and SPRAVATO. We are also encouraged by the early success of our launches of TEGSAYLE and TAUVI, sales of which are driving the growth in other oncology.

Speaker 1

We expect to begin disclosing tekvally sales in Q1 2024. Total Innovative Medicines sales growth was partially offset by the loss of exclusivity of ZYTIGA and REMICADE, along with the decrease in IMBRUVICA sales due to competitive pressures. I'll now turn your attention to MedTech. Worldwide Medtech sales of $7,500,000,000 increased 10% with growth of 11.6% in the U. S.

Speaker 1

And 8.3% outside of the U. S. Operational sales growth increased 10.4% as Currency had a negative impact of 0.4 points. Abiomed contributed 4.6% to operational growth. Excluding the impact of acquisition and divestitures, worldwide adjusted operational sales growth was 6%.

Speaker 1

On a pro form a basis, utilizing sales in the prior year from Abiomed as a standalone company, MedTech's growth for the quarter would be 6.4%. Medtech was negatively impacted across all platforms by international sanctions in Russia worth approximately 60 basis points in volume based procurement in China, primarily in 5 Medtech platforms: Spine, Trauma, Endocutters, Energy and Electrophysiology. As communicated last quarter, We saw the return to more normalized seasonality with moderate deceleration in the 3rd quarter. The Interventional Solutions franchise delivered Operational growth of 48.1 percent, which includes $311,000,000 related to Abiomed. This reflects growth in Abiomed patient procedures in the high teens and continued strong adoption of Impella 5.5 technology in surgery.

Speaker 1

Electrophysiology is a major contributor to this growth with a double digit increase of 20.3%. This reflects strong growth in all regions, including Europe, driven by our global market leading portfolio, including the most recently launched QDOT which was driven primarily by procedure recovery and strength of our biosurgery and wound closure portfolios. Growth was partially offset by the impacts of volume based procurement in China and supply challenges. Global growth of 5.4 percent in Vision was driven by price actions in contact lenses and other, as well as strength of new products, including Acuvue Oasis 1 day family of products and contact lenses and Tecnus Eye Hands, and supply challenges, although these continue to improve. Global Vision growth was negatively impacted by 100 basis points due to the BLINK Success of recently launched products, such as the global expansion of our Velas digital solutions and expansion in ambulatory surgical centers, partially offset by the impacts of volume based procurement in China and Spine and Trauma.

Speaker 1

Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the Q3 of 2023, I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter of last year. Cost of product sold margin was flat due to favorable patient mix and lower COVID-nineteen vaccine supply network related and restructuring related to excess inventory costs in the Medtech Business. Selling, marketing Straight up margins deleveraged 40 basis points, driven by increased expenses across the enterprise. We continue to invest strategically in research and development at competitive levels, investing $3,400,000,000 or 16.2 percent of partially offset by higher milestone payments in the Innovative Medicine Business. Additionally, IP R and D impairments were 206 and will be in a listen only mode.

Speaker 1

Interest income was $182,000,000 in the Q3 of 2023 as compared to $99,000,000 of income in the Q3 of 2022. The increase in income was driven by higher interest rates and on cash balances, partially offset by higher interest rates on debt balances. The other income and expense line was an expense of $499,000,000 in the Q3 of 2023 compared to an expense of $226,000,000 in the Q3 of 2020 This was primarily driven by higher unrealized mark to market losses on public securities, partially offset by the lower COVID-nineteen vaccine related exit costs and lower litigation expense. Restructuring in the Q3 was $158,000,000 primarily related to the Innovative Medicine restructuring program announced in the in the Q1. Regarding taxes in the quarter, our effective tax rate was 17.4% versus 16.7% in the same period last year.

Speaker 1

This increase was primarily driven by and non recurring pre tax charge that occurred in the current quarter. Excluding special items, the effective tax rate was 15 point versus 15.9% in the same period last year. As a result of the completion of the exchange offer, Johnson and Johnson is presenting the Consumer Health Business Financial Results as Discontinuing Operations, including a gain of and will be in a listen only mode. I encourage you to review our upcoming Q3 10 Q filing for additional details on specific tax and separation related matters. Lastly, I will direct your attention to the Box section of the slide, where we have also provided our income before tax, net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization Our adjusted income before tax for the enterprise as a percentage of sales increased from 35.3% to 37.6%, primarily driven by favorable patient mix in Innovative Medicine, partially offset by unfavorable product mix in commodity inflation and medtech.

Speaker 1

Innovative Medicine margins improved from 41.4% to 45.4%, primarily driven by favorable patient mix and R and D portfolio prioritization. Medtech margins declined from 25% to 24.7%, primarily driven by commodity inflation and unfavorable product mix, partially offset by a divestiture gain. This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the Johnson and Johnson 3rd quarter results. I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Joe Walk. Joe?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jessica, and thanks everyone for joining us today. This quarter's call marks a new era for Johnson and Johnson with a sharpened focus on innovative medicine and medtech. What has remained consistent is our credo and our commitment to patients. We are privileged to build upon our 137 year legacy of following the world's most complex healthcare challenges and helping patients with serious unmet health needs around the world. As we look forward, we are well positioned to grow our business and innovate across the spectrum of healthcare.

Speaker 2

We are excited about what's ahead and what we can achieve in the future. Before we dive into our performance, I want to briefly touch upon other items important to our business. The first is a brief recap of the Canvue separation, which was formally completed during the quarter. The transaction was executed within our targeted timeframe and under budget, while generating significant cash and value for our shareholders. Through the separation, we raised $13,200,000,000 in cash proceeds through the Canvue debt offering and IPO.

Speaker 2

We reduced Johnson and Johnson's outstanding share count by 191,000,000 shares or approximately 7% without the use of cash and in a tax free manner. We maintained our current quarterly dividend per share, and we retained approximately 180,000,000 shares of Canvue stock that provides cash proceeds for future flexibility. We will see the full impact to EPS of the share reduction in 2024. Another item warranting comment is the Inflation Reduction Act. We continue to believe the IRA's price setting provisions are damaging to innovation and will prevent the delivery of transformative therapies and cures to patients.

Speaker 2

As we await adjudication of legal proceedings initiated by us and others. We did submit all requested information in compliance with CMS' drug price setting scheme to continue supporting patients' access to our medicines that help them stay healthy and live longer. Moving to segment highlights in the quarter. As Jessica previously shared, our teams delivered strong results in the 3rd quarter, while continuing to advance our to enhance future growth. Within the Innovative Medicine business, 2 important regulatory milestones were announced during the quarter.

Speaker 2

Specifically, we received European Commission approval for a reduced biweekly dosing frequency for TEGFELI for eligible patients with relapsed and refractory multiple myeloma and U. S. FDA and European Commission approval of Talve, a first in class by specific therapy for the treatment of patients with heavily pretreated multiple myeloma. Regarding clinical data, We are excited to have an unprecedented 7 late breaking abstracts, including 3 featured in the Presidential Symposium being presented at the European Society of Medical Oncology meeting this weekend. Highlights will include the results from all three Phase 3 studies of riboVent in lung cancer, including Mariposa, Mariposa 2 and PATHION.

Speaker 2

Additionally, updated data from the SUNRISE-one study of TAR-two hundred in non muscle invasive bladder cancer will be shared, as well as the first ever data of TAR-two ten in patients with FGFR mutations. We also look forward to presenting Phase 2 data for nipocalumab in rheumatoid arthritis at the American College of Rheumatology Annual Meeting in November and have already launched a Phase 2 combination study in RA. Lastly, we plan to initiate multiple clinical development programs for our targeted oral peptide JNJ-two thousand one hundred and thirteen. This includes the initiation of the ANTHEM Phase 2b study in ulcerative colitis, which will begin this month and the Phase 3 clinical program titled ICONIC for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis expected to begin in November. Moving to MedTech, notable highlights in the quarter include significant advancements in electrophysiology across our cardiac ablation platform.

Speaker 2

We received FDA clearance from multiple atrial fibrillation ablation products in our portfolio to be used in a workflow without fluoroscopy. This FDA indication is unique to Johnson and Johnson and and is a significant advancement where caregivers and patients are not exposed to harmful fluoroscopy related radiation during their cardiac ablation procedures. It also allows for the removal of heavy lead protective equipment that may lead to orthopedic complications for care teams. In pulse field ablation, we have completed our clinical trial in Europe and submitted for CE Mark for our Varipulse catheter. We expect the completion for our U.

Speaker 2

S. VARAPULSE study to occur in the Q4. We are also simultaneously advancing clinical studies for 2 additional pulse field ablation catheters, the STSF dual energy catheter capable of delivering both and RF energy through the same device and Omnipulse, a large tip focal catheter. Beyond electrophysiology, we have completed enrollment in the Abiomed Impella ECP clinical study, a landmark pivotal trial designed to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of the Impella ECP during high risk PCI procedures. Impella ECP is the world's smallest heart pump and the only heart pump compatible with small bore access and closure techniques.

Speaker 2

While not a clinical advancement, we have also taken steps in the quarter to improve Medtech's future margin profile, implementing a restructuring program designed to simplify and focus the operations of our orthopedic business. As part of this 2 year program, we expect to exit certain markets and product lines across that business. We anticipate some short term modest revenue disruption in Orthopaedics of approximately $250,000,000 in total over the next 2 years, given the market and product line exits, but believe these actions will improve our ability to meet demand, resulting in accelerated growth and enhanced profitability. The program is expected to be completed by the end of 2025, with total program costs estimated to be between $700,000,000 $800,000,000 Let's now turn to cash and capital allocation. We ended the Q3 with approximately $24,000,000,000 of cash and marketable securities and approximately $30,000,000,000 of debt for a net debt position of $6,000,000,000 Free cash flow year to date through the Q3 was approximately $12,000,000,000 up from the $5,000,000,000 we reported year to date in the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

Our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged. We will continue to execute a strategic and disciplined approach, utilizing our strong credit profile and robust Free cash flow generation to prioritize continued investment in our business, increasing dividends on an annual basis, executing strategic business development initiatives for inorganic growth and executing share repurchases when appropriate. Moving on to our 2023 guidance update. Based on the strong results delivered in the quarter and the 1st 9 months of this year, Balanced with planned investments in the Q4, we are raising the ranges for full year sales and EPS guidance. We now expect operational sales growth for the full year 2023 to be in the range of 8.5% to 9.0% or up $600,000,000 at the midpoint in the range of $84,400,000,000 to $84,800,000,000 on a constant currency basis and adjusted operational sales growth in the range of 7.2% to 7.7%.

Speaker 2

Just a reminder, our sales guidance continues to exclude to any COVID-nineteen vaccine revenue. While we do not speculate on future currency movements, utilizing the euro spot rate as of last week at 1.06, We now anticipate an incremental negative currency impact of $400,000,000 resulting in a full year impact of negative 1% for $800,000,000 Looking across the P and L, adjusted pre tax operating margin is still Net other income is also being maintained ranging from $1,700,000,000 to $1,900,000,000 Due to higher interest rates earned on our cash, We now expect net interest income in the range of $300,000,000 to $400,000,000 And finally, Based on current tax law, our estimate for the effective tax rate for 2023 will be between 15.0% 15.5%. These revised estimates translate to an increase in our adjusted operational earnings per share guidance by $0.10 at the midpoint. Our new range is $10.02 to $10.08 or 12.5% growth at the midpoint and adjusted reported earnings per share in the range of $10.07 to $10.13 or 13% growth at the midpoint. Since January, we've been able to increase our guidance throughout the year for a cumulative impact of $3,000,000,000 on operational sales and $0.25 on adjusted operational earnings per share, which includes absorbing $0.10 for our licensing deal with Cellular Biomedicine Group announced in the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

Now I appreciate that many of you are turning your attention to 2024 and Teams are actively finalizing our plans for next year. With that context, allow me to provide some preliminary perspectives for you to consider. For innovative medicine, we remain confident in our ability to deliver growth from key brands and anticipate continued progress from our newly launched products, all while advancing our robust pipeline with many exciting data readouts, filings and approvals ahead of us. This includes data presentations and regulatory submissions for Tremfya in IBD presenting data from our Phase 3 study of nipocalumab in myasthenia gravis and readouts from 2 Phase 3 or leader trials in early stage prostate cancer. We do not expect the entry of Stelara biosimilars in the United States during 2024.

Speaker 2

However, as a reminder, Stelara does have a composition of matter across all MedTech businesses will continue to drive our growth and improve competitiveness, while continuing to advance procedures in 2024 to remain consistent with elevated 2023 levels. With respect to tax, As you may be aware, the European Union member states are in the process of enacting the EU's Pillar 2 Directive, which generally provides for a 15% minimum tax rate as established by the OECD Pillar 2 framework. The first EU effective date for certain aspects of the law is January 1, 2024. As a result, We currently estimate it up to a 1% tax rate increase in 2024. In addition, The U.

Speaker 2

S. Treasury's current perspective on Pillar 2 will be harmful as it relates to the treatment of U. S. Incentives for innovation and will result in U. S.-based multinational companies paying more tax revenue to foreign governments.

Speaker 2

Regarding share count given the Canvue separation, The full benefit of the approximately 191,000,000 net share reduction in Johnson and Johnson shares outstanding from the exchange offer will be reflected in our 2024 financials. And finally, while we don't speculate on future currency impact, Utilizing the current euro spot rate would yield an approximate $0.15 negative currency impact on 2024 full year adjusted earnings per share. We are pleased with our strong performance during the 1st 9 months of this year and have positive momentum as we move into and the long term strategy of Johnson and Johnson at our upcoming Enterprise Business Review on December 5 at the New York Stock Exchange. More information, including an overview of the day's schedule, will be shared shortly. We hope you will be able to join us either in person or on the available webcast.

Speaker 2

I want to conclude my remarks by thanking our teams around the world for their continued hard work and unwavering commitment to on behalf of our patients. We are confident that our strategy will position us to deliver long term growth and create significant value for our shareholders. With that, it's my pleasure to turn to Kevin and begin the Q and A portion of the call.

Operator

Thank you. Please limit your questions to one question only. Our first question is coming from David Risinger from Leerink Partners. Your line is now live.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much for taking my question and congrats on the strong financial performance. So my question is on benchmarking Mariposa results, please. Could you share your thoughts Thanks very

Operator

much.

Speaker 4

Hi, John Reed here. It's great to join the call. This My first time as a new cover to J&J. And before I answer your question, David, I would just like to say I have to tell you I'm really enjoying being a new member of the J&J team. I've really been impressed with the culture inspired by our credo, with the Caliber of our talent, our people here at J and J and with the really strong performance of the pipeline.

Speaker 4

We've already launched 2 NMEs this year, Kiju for prostate cancer and Talvi for myeloma, continuing our tradition in bringing new therapies in those agents, and we're positioned Deliver an average of more than 2 NMEs per year between now and the close of the decade, 2,030. So the pipeline is Very robust and it's exciting to be here and to be a part of it. So on to your question, the data will be presented at ESMO in a presidential session. So we are embargoed until then abstracts will be available on Wednesday. I I can only say that the rivorabantlazertinib combo did perform well head to head against ozemertinib.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today comes from Matt Miksic from Barclays. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Hi. Thanks so much for taking the question. So, I think most folks may look at the orthopedic results In medical devices, it may be being a little bit softer than expected. And I know that's not everything by a long shot for J and J, but given the expectations were for kind of continued strength heading into Q3, If you could talk maybe a little bit about your comment on more traditional seasonality and thoughts on the Sustainability of that strength as well as the divestiture and realignment plan, Joe, that you described. Thanks.

Speaker 6

So thank you for the question. And yes, I mean, our results in orthopedics were 2.6% growth overall. And part of it, as you And part of it, as you mentioned, is driven by seasonality. As we have commented, we are In a journey of improvement in orthopedics, we want to be number 1 and number 2 in every segment we compete. And that It's a place where we are not there yet, but we are very confident that we are going to continue to make improvements by investing and by growing in the highest growth segments.

Speaker 6

We have made improvements in our portfolio. For example, The knee side, we have a more complete portfolio now. On the revision side, on the cementless side, we are launching now Guardellis Orthopaedics, total knee surgery replacement in Europe and we already have about 30,000 procedures that have been perform with our Bellys robotic system. Overall, we are increasing our penetration also in the ASCs, which is a fast growing segment, and we see our performance continue to improve in the U. S.

Speaker 6

And globally. In this particular quarter, we also had some impact due to the impact of value based procurement in China and also because of the impact of the Russia sanctions that was mentioned already in the prepared remarks. So overall, in Orthopaedics, we are To continue our journey of improvement, we are focusing in having the right portfolio. We have a very strong team in the field. And as Joe has announced and Joe can comment that we have a plan to be able to continue to improve our margins in Orthopaedics.

Speaker 2

Yes. Just very quickly, Matt, thanks for the question. With respect to the restructuring program that we announced specifically in Orthopaedics, we're looking to exit those less Markets and product lines. So, we'll have some clearly inventory write downs as a result of that over the next 2 years. There will be some modest revenue disruption, but we actually do think these actions not only accelerate growth going forward, but will improve profitability.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Chris Shibutani from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now live.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you very much. Can you provide us with some insight into updates on the talc litigation process? And then secondly, if you could just comment, Joe, you used the word voracious last time with your appetite for Business Development Opportunities, how does that word stand still in terms of your appetite on the forward? Thank you.

Speaker 6

So Eric, why don't I

Speaker 2

turn it over to you to discuss the talc litigation matter, and then I'll come back and answer Chris' second question.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks, Joe. The short answer is that we continue to pursue the 4 pronged strategy that we communicated back in July. So let me quickly summarize those 4 prongs and highlight the salient developments and perhaps anticipate some follow-up questions about TALC. So the first prong, we are pursuing the appeal through to the Supreme Court in the United States in the July ruling by the New Jersey bankruptcy court that dismissed LTL's bankruptcy case.

Speaker 8

Notably, our appeal recently was joined by Counsel representing the vast majority of the tau claimants. Also thereafter, the bankruptcy court certified the case for a direct appeal to the 3rd Circuit bypassing the District Court because the bankruptcy court found that the appeal raises matters of significant public interest, the resolution of which would materially advance the progress of the case and we fully agree with that assessment. On the merits of the appeal challenges, both the validity as well as the application The novel standard that was imposed by the 3rd Circuit that requires a showing of immediate financial distress to proceed with the bankruptcy case. That immediate financial distress requirement, which the 3rd Circuit did not specifically define, is nowhere in the bankruptcy code and is contrary to the standards that are implied by other circuits. Moreover, under any reasonable interpretation of that standard, we believe the record has fully In terms of timing, the 3rd Circuit can rule at any moment whether it will take the direct appeal or not.

Speaker 8

If it does, we Back briefing to take place over the next couple of months with a decision in the early 2024 timeframe And because we do anticipate the 3rd Circuit will summarily affirm the application of its standards, we will immediately thereafter request The Supreme Court to resolve the circuit split and decide if the 3rd Circuit's novel approach Is an appropriate standard for deciding a motion to dismiss. We do not think it is. We hope to squeeze the into the Supreme Court into the 1st term in 2024, but if not, we will raise it in the 2nd term. Working with the council, representing the vast majority of the TAO claimants more than we had previously that were along with us. Along with the in addition to the future claims representatives and together with the counsel and the future claims representatives, we are pursuing a consensual resolution of the TAO claims through and that is exactly what the bankruptcy court, the New Jersey bankruptcy court urged and strongly recommended that we do and its decision that actually dismissed the case.

Speaker 8

And the New Jersey court made those recommendations having found that LTL had made remarkable progress towards an equitable and efficient resolution to date. So We are continuing on in that process. In terms of timing on the second prong, the consensual resolution is on the same trajectory as the initial bankruptcy plan with a vote expected in the next 6 months to determine whether the requisite super majority of 3rd, while those negotiations are proceeding, we will continue to vigorously defend the meritless style claims in the tort system. As you may have seen just this last week, we had a significant favorable ruling in that regard with the New Jersey's appellate court in the Barton case, reversing a $223,000,000 verdict against the company. The appellate court reversed because it determined the opinions of the leading plaintiff's experts were unsound, We're unscientific and we're unsubstantiated.

Speaker 8

And it is that baseless nature of those expert In terms of timing of the litigation, there are Two additional mesothelioma cases that we expect will be tried this year with more to come in 2024. As with the Barney case, it's important to keep in mind that the ultimate resolution of those matters often is determined at the appellate level, not at at trial level, which is the place and which occur in the forms that the plaintiff lawyers choose. Finally, we will aggressively challenge the abuses of the judicial system by the mass toward plaintiff's bar and its experts with our own affirmative litigation. We mentioned last time that we brought 2 actions against the plaintiff's far lead experts for detaining our tau products with publications premised unknowingly false propositions and those are moving forward. They've been fully briefed with respect to the initial case motions.

Speaker 8

And in terms of timing, we expect a ruling shortly from the federal district court in New Jersey whether those matters may proceed to the discovery phase. So that's a quick summary. I'd be happy to answer any follow-up questions you may have regarding the strategy.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you, Eric. Chris, regarding your second question, if J and J had a nickel for every time voracious was Quote it back to me since the Q2 earnings. We probably could have taken up guidance even a little bit more. And while that's often associated with wanting or devouring great quantities, I think it's really the second definition in Webster's where having a very eager approach to an activity is the construct in which I meant that term in the Q2.

Speaker 2

So I could have said that 5 years ago, 10 years ago, my predecessors could have said that. We routinely, almost weekly meet on new opportunities that may complement our existing portfolio or our future pipeline in both MedTech and Innovative Medicines. And the current moment is no different. In fact, we're in a very good position given the low levels of net debt, the cash we were able to raise to fulfill one of our capital allocation priorities, which you're probably very, very familiar with at this point in time. But we're not going to compromise our principles and making sure that it's a strategic fit.

Speaker 2

So it fits into the scientific expertise, the commercial capabilities with a global reach that will add value to that asset in our hands versus someone else. And we're going to make sure that we're disciplined in that approach Financially, ensuring that we have a return that's commensurate with the risk that we're bearing on behalf of shareholders. So we'd much rather Have an okay deal, pass us by, then make a bad deal. And that's kind of the principles that we'll live into. There's no deal that's Too big, given our credit rating as well as our financial strength and annual cash flow generation.

Speaker 2

But as you know, we've had great success Doing smaller earlier stage deals as well. We're agnostic with respect to whether it be the next one being medtech or

Operator

Our next question is coming from Geoff Meacham from Bank of America. Your line is now live.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks so much for the question. I'll stick with one. So on CORDICTA, can you talk about the commercial backdrop?

Speaker 9

Just with respect to new centers or prescribers And related on manufacturing, you guys have any update on the vector constraints and maybe when that could be relieved? Thank you so much.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Jeff. And as you have seen in the progression quarter over quarter of CARAVICTI, we continue to have On one hand, strong demand and on the other hand, progress in our manufacturing. We're also very encouraged by the data that came out with CARTTITUDE 4 that eventually we make CARVICTI also a medicine in earlier signs of therapy. So when it comes to our manufacturing progress, I'm going to let John explain what are we doing in order to be able to supply the strong demand that we are seeing in CARBICTI to date. Overall, what you can expect, Jeff, is that you will continue to see quarter over

Speaker 4

Yes. To follow-up On Joaquin's comments, we've been progressively adding more and more capacity. That's included at our Original launch site in New Jersey, but we are close to having an additional manufacturing site up and rolling in Europe, in Belgium, and also have recently increased our capacity by using some excess capacity that Novartis had to further bolster the number of slots that we can accommodate. One of the traditionally rate limiting components The therapy has been the lentivirus component and there we've made really outstanding progress in house Mastering that technology, increasing the scale at our factory in Switzerland and we're In the process, we're building, I think it will be available next year, another factory in the Netherlands to support the lentivirus component, which has sometimes been one of the rate limiting aspects. So altogether, the capacity continues to ramp up and we continue to perfect the technology, I would say.

Speaker 4

Same thing with the number of centers that are qualified to administer the therapy, and we're also making progress on the number of countries where CARB activity will be available. So Very excited obviously about the momentum with that really best in class CAR therapy, the CARTA-two-four data, as you know, showed unprecedented progression free survival benefit, a hazard ratio of 0.26 overall response rate of 99%, 86% complete response, very durable for a 1 and done therapy that was well The Grade 3 or above cytokine release syndrome was only 1.1%. So this is really, I think now emerging as the preferred second line therapy and we hope to do more such as bringing the frontline as a possible alternative to stem cell

Speaker 6

And Jeff, to your point in mutual myeloma new product launches, we are also Very encouraged by the launch of TEGVYLE and also the recent approval of Talve. The progression of these medicines It's exceeding our internal expectations and we already have about 2,000 healthcare professionals in the U. S. That are REMS certified to be able to administer TEGVALI and TALVI. So very encouraging progress in these two medicines in multidrugal myeloma.

Speaker 6

And we expect to be able to break out Tag Valley sales beginning in 2024.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Josh Jennings from TD Cowen. Your line is now live.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I was hoping to ask on STELARA and biosimilar competition in the U. S. Now Backed in 2025, that's not new news, but wanted to check-in on how beneficial is the extra year for the Innovative Medicine Businesses Defense Strategy, I guess focusing on just the potential for Tremfya to take share from psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease indications.

Speaker 10

And at this time, it should provide more confidence and potential to hit the constant currency revenue target set for 2025 for the Pharma unit? Thanks.

Speaker 6

Thank you for the question. Certainly, we have always been very confident in being able to hit our $57,000,000,000 target in 2025 for Pharma. As I have explained before, there are a number of factors there. The first one and most important It's the growth that we're having in our key assets, Tremfya, Erlinda, Uptravi, our long acting injectables And especially DARZALEX, we continue to have a tremendous trajectory gaining share in first line. We are encouraged As I just commented by the launches of CARBITY, the progression of Espravato and also the recent launches 2 also in multinomialoma of Tech Valley and Talve.

Speaker 6

And looking into 2024, the remaining of the year and also into 2025, we have some very exciting news in our pipeline. Some of them have been already commented. For Example, the first chemo free regimen as first line in EGFR mutated non small lung cancer. We will be presenting the data of Mariposa in Aresmo and that potentially will be a filing and an approval in 2025. This would be a new standard of therapy in this line of therapy in this very important need for patients.

Speaker 6

We also continue to be encouraged by the progress in our TARIS drug delivery platform. You are also going to see Data being presented at ESMO, very important for us in 2 existing products, We will be presenting data on TREMFYA in IBD, both in Crohn's and in ulcerative colitis for a potential approval later in in 2024. That's going to be a very significant growth driver for Tremfya. Take into consideration that in the Stelara case, IBD represents 75% of the sales. So we still have a lot of growth in front of us with Tremfya as we do also in ERLIDA in which we will present data in localized high risk Prostate cancer.

Speaker 6

We're also going to be able to present some data of nipocalimab in myasthenia gravis end of this year. So all in all, very good news for our pipeline in 2024 2025. Certainly, the entrance of the biosimilars in 2025 in the U. S. Is another factor that builds our confidence that we are going to be able to meet the $57,000,000,000 For me, the most important thing now is to look forward and to think about the growth profile of our innovative medicine group into the second half We have a number of growth drivers that are already there that I described, but also the strength of our Pipeline both in immunology, in oncology and in neuroscience profiles as a strong company, as a strong growth profile into the second half of the decade and that's part of what we will be looking forward to discussing with you in our upcoming Enterprise business review focusing on what is going to be the growth profile in the second half of the decade.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan. Your line is now live.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks so much for the question. Maybe Joe, just a little bit more color on 2024. I appreciate the details you provided. It seems like a year of another healthy top line growth.

Speaker 3

But Can you just give us some directional color on margins next year? I know there are some dis synergies with Canvue this year. I was trying to get a sense of how you think about Margin progression here as you kind of balance some of these kind of pipeline opportunities and some of these top line growth initiatives versus kind of dropping that to the bottom line. So just any direction

Speaker 2

Yes, sure, Chris. Thanks for the question. So first off, we're very pleased with the margin progress that we've been able to make in 2023. I think we The year to roughly flat to now improving by 50 basis points. A lot of that has really gone is it directly attributable to the efforts Many people in the organization who really took the opportunity to look at our infrastructure as a 2 segment company versus a 3 segment company.

Speaker 2

So The synergies that we warned about and talked about early on in the Canvue separation process really haven't come to manifest. In fact, As we look out to 2024, we see minimal to almost no impact from the synergies from the separation. We are in the Process of finalizing our business plans for 2024, I'd like to get a little bit better assessment of how the clinical development pipeline is shaping up, what the investments are required there. But we're a larger company. We take the opportunity to look each and every year at efficiencies.

Speaker 2

So, we're not in a position to give you margin guidance right now, but I would expect that something similar to where we started this year would not be a bad starting point for next year. Again, it's going to depend on the investments that the R and D teams from both MedTech and Innovative Medicines can bring forth and we'll obviously look to accelerate bringing some of these great products to patients sooner if we have that opportunity.

Operator

Thank you. Next Question is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Joe, just Could you just clarify what you meant by flat procedures in 24 MedTech? Are you assuming does that mean flat MedTech growth? And just for my Question, can you talk about what you're seeing with bariatrics if for GLP-1s this is and how you're thinking about the potential impact of GLP-1s across your device business long term, especially in cardio and ortho?

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Speaker 2

So I'll give the second half of that question to Joaquin, but thanks for the clarifying question with respect to market growth. We are not suggesting flat market or a flat market in MedTech next year. What we do is are foreseeing right now based on what we know today is the elevated levels, the market overall being 5% to 7% versus what traditionally has been maybe 4% to 6%. We see Same 5% to 7% next year. Joaquin?

Speaker 6

Thank you and thank you, Larry. And taking a step back, we see the evolution of our Med Tech business in a very positive way. One of our key roles for us is to be a top tier grower in MedTech. When I look at the result of MedTech this year, We are delivering on that. Our growth in the quarter pro form a was 6.4% when you compare with Abiomed as a standalone company.

Speaker 6

And when you look at our pro form a growth year to date in MedTech is 7.9%. So very pleased with the performance of our MedTech business and we have expectations to continue our progression into 2024, but fueled by the procedural growth that we see and also by the continued improvement in our execution and the launch of new products. Some of them we can discuss later. For example, we will be launching our first PFA catheter in Europe into 2024. When it comes to GLP-1s, it's good for patients to have new options for treatment, especially in obesity, which at time has been a stigmatized disease in which patients were not looking for treatment due to the stigmatization of that.

Speaker 6

Certainly, as you commented, we're seeing some impact in our bariatric business in the short term. Some patients are reconsidering if they consider in surgery, expecting to get treatment. But overall, when we talk to surgeons, bariatric surgeons, what They see is a complementary role of surgery and GLP-1s and many of them comment on the fact that they could see a tailwind for bariatric surgery down the road given this complementary nature, The increased awareness about obesity, more patients seeking treatment and many of the patients, about 30% of them are Going to be tolerating these medications. So they would be another funnel for our bariatric business. In the rest of our MedTech business.

Speaker 6

At this point, we continue to see robust procedure increase and we don't anticipate that change that think that they're changing in the foreseeable future.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now live.

Speaker 11

Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. I was just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more, John, on nipikalumab in RA. I know we're going to see the full data here at ACR, but Is this a drug that you see potentially working in a broad population or is there a biomarker subset group that's more likely to respond? And then how are you thinking about Phase III plans here in this indication?

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for the question, and we look forward to sharing those data at The ACR in November in San Diego. We're looking at Nippo as Either a monotherapy combined with a precision medicine strategy or is a combination for a broad population where we aim to combine with the anti TNF agent. And we see those two mechanisms as being very complementary, reducing the levels of autoantibodies with Nippo and then inhibiting inflammatory mechanisms with the TNF, the So called DAISY study, the Phase 2 is underway now and we'll test that combination. So that in general has In the way we're looking at RA, not only for Nippo, but other agents in our pipeline where we see the future being monotherapies that are targeted in a precision medicine way or broad therapies that are combos that can bring together synergistic mechanisms in a safe way.

Speaker 4

We're excited to be launching the DAISY program to look at that combo, and we're hoping that, that will bring deeper, more durable remissions for patients as we bring those new mechanisms together.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank. Your line

Speaker 12

Good morning and thank you for taking the questions. Is it possible to give us a little bit more detail on a couple of things? You mentioned headwinds from VBP. And I'm just curious if there's, A, a way to quantify it and, B, a way to say if it's at least better or worse or the same as it has been the last couple of quarters. And then similarly in other aspects So China, we've been hearing a lot about anti corruption policies, etcetera.

Speaker 12

If you could comment on that, that would be great. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thank Thank you, Joanne. And first, let me say that China for us is a key market and a In which we are delivering growth now and we are going to continue to deliver a strong Growth into 2024. So it's a key growth driver for us. So on one hand, certainly, BDP represents a headwind in price. And on the other hand, it also represents an opportunity as you can expand quality products, Medical technologies into more patients.

Speaker 6

So there are a number of medtech platforms now currently undergoing VBP headwinds, electrophysiology, spine, trauma, endocatheresat energy. And these effects will last during 2023 and part of 2024. We have already anniversary our large So at this point, we have about 80% of our platforms that have been already affected by VBP. Again, as We look into 2024. We expect to continue to deliver a strong growth in China and China remaining a Key part of our growth.

Speaker 6

When it comes to the question that you were asking in anti corruption side, we have a strong Culture of compliance in our business. And at this point, we may see some limitations related to physician and surgeon access, but we are not seeing any material impact in any part of our business due to that and we'll continue to monitor the situation. Overall, as I said, we continue to see China as a key driver of our growth and also as a key source of innovation moving into the future.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Bumble De Laan from Guggenheim Securities. Your line is now live.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to maybe dive a little deeper on the immunology side. I appreciate all the comments you made there already, but for the quarter, the performance was very strong for several of your products there. So I'm just curious if there were any sort of one time items there that we should be aware of.

Speaker 13

It sounded like there's a lot of Patient mix and market growth that you're commenting on, I'm curious if you can just highlight any sort of stocking or is there one time pricing adjustments that we should take into account as we look at future quarters? Thanks. [SPEAKER JOSE HUMBERTO ACOSTA MARTIN:]

Speaker 6

Thank you. We are very pleased with the 4 months of our immunology business, especially we're pleased with the performance of Tremfya with 25.1% growth in the quarter, which shows our ability to drive growth there. As I said before, Tremfya Currently is now indicated in psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. As an analog in the case of Estelara That represents about 25% of the sales. So with the upcoming readouts, filing and potential approvals of ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease.

Speaker 6

We expect to have significant growth in TREMFYA. We talked about TREMFYA as a $5,000,000,000 product earlier in our Analyst Day in 2021. Now you can see clearly that we are going not only to meet that, but to clearly exceed that benchmark for Tremfya. So when it comes to Stelara, we had also a very robust growth of close to 16%. In that case, There is a prior period adjustment in the quarter a year ago that represents about 600 basis points.

Speaker 6

So you should take that into consideration when you think about the Stelara growth. We are very pleased overall, as I said, with our immunology portfolio. Overall, Our IMOI portfolio in the quarter grew 12.4%, which is very strong considering that we also have headwinds there of REMICADE biosimilars. We remain very excited about the IMRALIA portfolio as a key driver for J and J. Our innovative medicines are going to be bringing significant improvements there in IBD with TREMFYA cycle, but also Stay in there.

Speaker 6

We have our targeted oral peptide, which is going to be presenting some data that we already presented data in psoriasis. And also we have the combination of Wuxelkumab and Golinumab In IBD, which has presented also groundbreaking results. So very encouraged about our IMO logo portfolio and the ability to drive growth in the second of the decade, more to be seen in our EBR later in the year.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Danielle Antalffy from UBS. Your line is now live.

Speaker 14

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks so much For taking the question. Amit, I wanted to actually bring you into the conversation here and ask about some of the innovation in MedTech and specifically you guys have an OTAVA Day coming up and just curious what you can say about A, what we can expect to see, obviously appreciating you're not going to totally open the kimono and front run the day. But B, and probably most importantly, sort of where you see OTava ultimately fitting into the robotics landscape and helping contribute to a continued

Speaker 15

So first of all, thank you for the question. Similar to Jean, this is my first Call as well. So really excited to be here. Equally excited to be leading a team of talented scientists, engineers And physicians as we develop smarter, less invasive and more personalized solutions for our patients. So with respect to Otava, We have made great progress on the platform.

Speaker 15

The team is really focused on combining a really differentiated architecture based on its Software and hardware together with our best in class instruments and we believe that combination of a differentiated architecture with instruments It's going to enable us to have high value from day 1. Now we will have more updates on Next month, as you mentioned, and at that time, we will provide a lot more detail. But the one point I'll make is that even today, Robotic assisted surgery penetration is in single digits. So there's still a lot of growth left in that segment. And we're really excited because OTAVA brings a lot of differentiation.

Speaker 15

So we're very excited that we can make a big kind of path. We can open our path and growth there in that segment as well.

Speaker 6

Daniel, if I may interject here, notava. I've been in touch with multiple surgeons around the world. And one comment that I find is that they all want they are rooting for Johnson and Johnson to come into the robotic surgical space. They want to have the service and the support that they have been during decades with our Ethicon business and they also want to be able to utilize the advanced instruments with whom they have grown. So what I see in the surgical space is that the surgeons want to have alternatives and they are all looking forward to having Johnson and Johnson play an important role in robotic surgery.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Danielle. We have time for one last question.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today is coming from Louise Chen from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now live.

Speaker 12

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask you on the FLORA II results, if they impacted at all your thinking on your market opportunity for Mariposa and why or why not? Thank you.

Speaker 4

No, I don't think it influences because it's really important to pay attention not only to Progression free survival, but also overall survival as well as the PFS II, the survival on the second line of therapy. Unfortunately, with today's therapies, almost all lung cancer patients will eventually relapse. They will need a second line therapy. And we think chemo is best reserved To overall survival, pay attention to that progression free survival 2 endpoint because these are going to be, I think really things that matter in terms of what the long term outcome is for patients with EGFR receptor, mutant lung cancer. We believe based on the data we'll present in the presidential session at ESMO that The combination of vibrovant, our bispecific antibody, the first bispecific ever approved for a solid tumor indication incidentally fully human, as well as the 3rd generation small molecule oral EGF receptor, losertinib, which is brampenetrine, I remind.

Speaker 4

We believe that that will become the new frontline standard of care for EGFR receptor mutant lung cancer and offer patients durable remissions that are achieved in a chemo free regimen.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And thanks to everyone for your questions and your continued interest in our company. We apologize to those that we couldn't get to because at this time, but don't hesitate to reach out to the Investor Relations team with any remaining questions you may have. I will now turn the call back to Joaquin Dean for some brief closing remarks.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Jess, and thank you to all of you for joining us today. I'm proud to present Today, the company's performance, this is the Q1 that we report

Speaker 1

as a

Speaker 6

new G and J focused in Healthcare Innovation, in MedTech and in Pharmaceuticals. And I believe this new G and J has a Better foundation to continue to drive growth for the next decade. We are achieving strong results In 2023 with our 7.5% adjusted operational growth in the quarter It's the 2nd quarter in a row that we have a beat and a raise of our guidance and we continue to believe that we're going to have a very strong finish into 2023 and that reads well for a strong 2024. We have a dedicated team, both in Innovative Medicines and in MedTech. And we think we are very well positioned, as I said, to carry The momentum that you are seeing in 2023 into 2024.

Speaker 6

Finally, we are looking forward to engaging all of you at the Investor Relations Conference Call. Thank you very much and enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson and Johnson's 3rd quarter 2023 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect.

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