NYSE:TXNM TXNM Energy Q3 2023 Earnings Report $52.50 -0.28 (-0.53%) As of 02:04 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast TXNM Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.54Consensus EPS $1.30Beat/MissBeat by +$0.24One Year Ago EPSN/ATXNM Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$505.85 millionExpected Revenue$908.51 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$402.66 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATXNM Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date10/27/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, October 27, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsTXNM Energy's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by TXNM Energy Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 27, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, Dave, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning for the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at pnmresources.com. Joining me today are PNM Resources' Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent Collawn President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that PNM Resources assumes no obligation to update this information. Speaker 100:01:38For a detailed discussion of factors affecting PNM Resources' results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form 8 ks filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Speaker 200:01:58Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Crankey Coworkers Day. And yes, you can Google it. It is a real day. Now we are sure none of you have any cranky coworkers or that none of you are one of those Thank you, co workers and none of us surely are, but we're going to celebrate the day just in case. Speaker 200:02:19I'm going to start on Slide 4 with our financial results and strategic updates. Ongoing earnings were $1.54 for the Q3 compared to $1.46 last year. Summer temperatures were hotter across New Mexico and Texas and had a significant impact on earnings. We are adjusting our guidance for the year to a range of $2.75 to $2.80 per share. Lisa will walk through the details. Speaker 200:02:49The New Mexico Supreme Court held oral arguments on our merger with Ovengren on September 15. This was the final step in the appeal process And there is no time line for when the court will issue its decision. And yes, we reprise Tom Petty because we agree that the waiting is the hardest part. As a reminder, the court has two options: to uphold the Commission's decision or to vacate the order and remand the case back to the Commission. If there is a remand, the Commission will determine the next step on how to respond to the court's order. Speaker 200:03:24The merger agreement was previously extended through December with the option for a further 3 month extension through March. Separately, the sale of our joint venture, NMRD, remains on track. The renewable projects in this portfolio are attractive assets, We are now executing on the current challenging market and we are working to evaluate the bids. We expect to close the sale in the late 4th quarter or early Q1. With that, I will Speaker 300:03:53turn it over to Don. Speaker 400:03:54Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I will start on Slide 6 with operational highlights New Mexico continues to announce new economic development wins. 2 of those announcements warranted national attention during the Q3. In August, President Biden visited the site of a new facility that will manufacture wind towers in PNM's service territory. Soon after, Maxeon Solar announced its plans for its 1st U. Speaker 400:04:22S.-based manufacturing facility, a 3 gigawatt plant in Albuquerque. The $1,000,000,000 investment is also expected to bring 1800 new jobs to the area. We are also seeing continued announcements and inquiries for new businesses and expansions, further increasing our system demand outlook. In July, PNM had 2 consecutive days at a new all time system peak when cooling degree days for the month We're almost 50% higher than the 20 year normal. Last year's new peak was the first for PNM in nearly a decade. Speaker 400:05:00We maintained reliability through the peak season in both years, thanks to careful monitoring, planning and system maintenance from our teams. On the other side of the equation, we have also started the approval process to add new resources to our system. After an RFP process began last year, we filed an application at the commission this week for resources needed in 2026. These additions will align our planning reserves with industry standards and it will better position us as a state for additional economic development inquiries. The filing proposes 100 Megawatt of solar through PPAs and 250 Megawatts of Battery Storage Capacity Through Energy Storage Agreements along with 60 Megawatts of Utility Owned Battery. Speaker 400:05:52This is our first proposal for utility owned generation resources in some time and it carries several benefits for customers in addition to being part of the lease cost portfolio. Ownership of battery allows us to charge and discharge the battery in our customers' best interests, while maximizing our entire system. It also allows us to retain the battery, upgrade components and extend the life of the battery versus paying to replace the battery at the end of the contract term. Balancing this with energy storage agreements allows the utility to avoid the risk of operations and maintenance costs increased during the contract period. We see the mix of ownership and contract resources providing the best operational and customer value. Speaker 400:06:38Each of the proposed solar and battery projects leverage existing grid interconnections in order to be online in 2026. We've asked the commission for approval of these resources by May and we'll provide you with updates as the filing proceeds. 1 year ago, our generation capacity hedges reached 50% carbon free resources. Adding these 2026 resources to our plans will move us to 75% carbon free and this doesn't include community solar resources, which are also expected in the coming years. Our clean energy transition in New Mexico is moving rapidly. Speaker 400:07:18Turning to Slide 7, I will cover our key regulatory proceedings with the New Mexico Commission. In our PNM rate change filing, hearings have been completed and we continue to expect a commission decision by the end of the year. The unanimous settlement of the San Juan rate credit removes this item from the rate case. As As we continue to transition our generation portfolio, the 2 remaining transitional issues in the case primarily relate to past decisions on Four Corners and Palo Verde Resources and the recovery of amounts associated with those plants. We are looking forward to resolving these issues as we move forward on our path to carbon free. Speaker 400:08:00Our proposal for a 12 megawatt kilo megawatts of battery storage as a distribution solution is also under review at the commission. We received full support of our request from the intervening parties in this case. If these batteries are approved, we will look to take this same approach at our other distribution sites to relieve overloaded feeders and accommodate more renewable energy. The hearing examiner held hearings on October 12 and we expect a commission decision before the end of the year. In our grid modernization filing, we expect to file the requested cost benefit analysis to for the proposed investments in November. Speaker 400:08:42Many of the future rate design possibilities discussed by stakeholders and our current rate review require these advanced metering technologies that are proposed in our grid modernization filing. We expect a decision in the first half of twenty twenty four. We have also been working with stakeholders and getting their input into our integrated resource plan that will be filed before the end of the year. While the IRP is not formally approved by the commission, it provides modeling results showing the most Cost effective path forward for meeting system demands over the next 20 years. The filing and subsequent commission discussion will provide some direction for the path ahead towards our carbon free goals. Speaker 400:09:26Before I turn to TNMP, I quickly note We have not made any new determinations on the future of our ownership in Four Corners power plant. We continue to evaluate options for potential exit and replacement before our ownership contract expires in 2,031. Now turning to Texas on slide 8. I will cover TNMP's recent operating highlights and key regulatory updates. After setting a new system record in June, TNMP exceeded this level twice at the end of July and then again in August. Speaker 400:09:59The consistent growth in system demand at TNMP and legislative support for infrastructure investments prompted us to bring more projects to the forefront of our plan. Lisa will walk through our revised capital plans through 2027, which includes this growth at TNMP. I mentioned last quarter that our annual capital investment plans at TNMP had more than doubled in the last 5 years from $200,000,000 to $400,000,000 per year. And now our 5 year plan shows this level increasing to $600,000,000 per year as Texas continues to lead the nation in growth. On the distribution side, customer growth remains strong and the housing markets in our North Texas and Gulf Coast service territories are among the strongest in the country. Speaker 400:10:47For example, we have been working with a developer all year to announce its plans this month for a new 1600 home community in our Gulf Coast service territory. Development has already begun and housing construction is expected to begin in 2025. On the transmission side, our teams have worked to earn a reputation in the area for processing new requests in a timely manner and are fielding additional inquiries. In addition to our system demand, One of our proposals for transmission expansion in West Texas has been vetted by the ERCOT Regional Planning Group and should be considered by ERCOT Board later this year. We are seeing interconnection requests increase each quarter and under new legislation ERCOT will be directed to develop a reliability plan Mission Capital Recovery in September. Speaker 400:11:47Next year, we plan to make semiannual filings under both the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms based on the new DCRF legislation. All of our T and D capital investments qualify for recovery in this manner. As the rules for new resilience legislation are finalized, we could see additional recovery mechanisms put into place and would also submit a filing under those rules. We also received approval for TNMP's annual energy efficiency program with a settlement for recovery of $6,600,000 of program costs, which includes a $1,200,000 bonus incentive for prior year achievement. TNMP remains the fastest growing segment of our With the constructive regulatory environment to recover investments timely. Speaker 400:12:34With that, I will turn it over to Lisa. Speaker 500:12:37Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 10 with a summary of the year over year changes in Q3 earnings. Earnings per share in the Q3 of 2023 were $1.54 compared to $1.46 in the Q3 of 2022. Weather was a significant positive driver in both New Mexico and Texas adding $0.21 to the quarter. Continued rate recovery of transmission and distribution investments at TNMP also added earnings. Speaker 500:13:13The increase at both utilities was partially offset by planned O and M increases and expenses for depreciation, property Tax and interest associated with new rate based investments. Lower earnings at corporate Reflect higher interest rates year over year, partially mitigated by the hedges we previously put in place. On Slide 11, I will cover our load growth for both PNM and TNMP. At PNM, weather had the biggest impact on our sales volumes. On a weather normalized basis, we continue to see residential and commercial classes ahead of our expectations, while the ramp up Some of our larger industrial customers remained behind schedule. Speaker 500:14:04We have updated our total At TNMP, we also hit new system peaks a few times over the quarter and not only because of hotter Temperatures, we have seen higher than expected demand based load both from crypto and other customers. Weather normalized volumetric load has been below our expectations, particularly in the Q3 as customers began to see their bills on June July and reduced their usage along with some reductions when ERCOT called for conservation. We have updated our expectations for the full year for both volumetric and demand based load. We expect P and P volumetric loads to come in between 0% and 1%, while demand based load is expected to come in between 12% 13 Turning to Slide 12, we have updated and rolled out our capital plan through 2027 for a total of $5,900,000,000 At TNMP, as Don mentioned, we are funding additional projects to support high demand on our system and provide an increased level of reliability and resiliency supported by Texas legislators this year. In the North Texas and the Gulf Coast areas where our distribution load is located, This means replacing transformers and substations, trading out wood poles for steel and adding new circuits and feeders. Speaker 500:15:54For transmission loads, which are in all three of our regions, this means adding new points of interconnection on These investments have been prioritized to align with the new legislation, but they can be recovered under the existing TCOS or DCRF mechanisms. The new rulemaking May provide opportunities for additional recovery of cost and investments tied to resiliency plans. As Don pointed out, CNMP's capital spending is now growing to just over $600,000,000 per year. T and M's capital needs are also growing to accommodate the new resources and customer expansions discussed earlier. We have balanced the added capital with the impact on customer bills. Speaker 500:16:49On the graph in yellow, We've called out the investments for own battery storage. All battery investments will have to go through the CCM filing in order to be approved. We also shifted our grid modernization plans back 1 year to reflect the shift in timing of the regulatory proceedings. In the table at the bottom of the page, we have provided the corresponding rate base for these investments. These two jurisdictions utilize rate mechanisms to provide more timely recovery. Speaker 500:17:32Turning to Slide 13, I'll provide an update on earnings guidance for the rest of the year and our long term growth, including our financing plan. We are raising our earnings guidance for 2023 to a range of $2.75 to $2.80 Higher transmission margins in the 1st part of the year combined with the hot summer temperatures in the 3rd quarter increased earnings at both utilities. These changes are partially offset by higher interest expense, lower transmission margins in the second half of the year and lower fixed income performance in our decommissioning trust. On the equity side, we completed another $100,000,000 of forward sales under our ATM program during the Q3, fulfilling the $200,000,000 of equity needs for this year. We plan to settle those forward sales contracts through the issuance of shares before year end. Speaker 500:18:36The proceeds from the sale of NMRD combined with the $200,000,000 of equity this year and the $345,000,000 of San Juan securitization bonds will help strengthen our balance sheet and position us for future growth. As we look forward, we have assumed on average approximately 100,000,000 dollars a year of equity to help fund growth in our capital investments. As usual, we leave our financing options open and as hedges in place through the end of the year and $600,000,000 hedges in 2024 to mitigate the impact of interest rates on our variable rate debt. Looking forward, if we are financing the business on a standalone basis, we will look to issue more permanent financing for this debt. Under these assumptions, we're comfortable extending our 5% growth target out to 2027 as we finance our rate base growth in the current market environment. Speaker 500:19:50With that, I will turn it back over to Pat. Speaker 200:19:53Thank you, Lisa. In addition to Cranky Coworkers Day, today is also Global Champagne Day. So before I open it up for questions And in the spirit of champagne toast, I would like to share some of our recent celebrations. This summer, the PNM Resources Foundation celebrated 40 years of giving. We just held our annual day of service and safety day at PNM and TNMP and we hosted our largest annual customer assistance fair at PNM. Speaker 200:20:25PNM P was named Business of the Month at 1 of its Local Chamber of Commerce. PNM was awarded a sustainability initiative of the year from the Business Intelligence Group for our project to transfer critical water infrastructure at the San Juan Coal Plant to the Navajo Nation. So to everyone involved Operator00:21:21The first question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:21:28Good morning, everybody. Speaker 200:21:29Good morning, Ryan. Good Speaker 400:21:30morning, Ryan. Speaker 500:21:31Good morning. Speaker 300:21:31And happy, I guess, to a National Champagne Day or whatever at least to highlight it. In terms of the financing plan, so you highlighted $100,000,000 of equity needs as part of your baseline plan. So Just to clarify, that assumes it's exactly like that of the renewable portfolio? And does that Contemplate any incremental potential capital in Texas beyond what's outlined in your presentation today? Or can you A little more color around what's embedded in that forecast? Speaker 500:22:12Yes. So we are looking to do 100,000,000 on average for the next 4 years. And that does not include what we're doing this year, which is The $200,000,000 of equity that we already done as well as the NMRD sales that we are expecting towards the end of the year or early next year. Speaker 300:22:39Okay. And regarding that sale, Did you delay or extend the timeline from closing that from the Q4 to Q4 or early next year. And is there any color as you could maybe you could speak to as to why maybe the timeline is slipping a little bit? Speaker 500:22:58Yes, we're going through the bid process and our objective is towards the end of the year, but it can slip into the beginning of next year. We do have to go through a FERC filing in that sale, so that may also take a little time. And as you know, we don't know what's going to happen On November 17. So we're taking that into account as well. Speaker 200:23:20We're lengthening our regulatory timelines, right? Everything takes longer than we expected. Speaker 300:23:27Okay. And then in terms of the hedge, the interest rate hedge for 2024, How is that structured? At what rate? Is it hedged at? And does that hedge Extend for the full calendar year or is that only partial year in terms of how that's positioned? Speaker 500:23:47Yes, Ryan, this is We have a hedge of $600,000,000 in total. The average price is around 3.5 And so and it goes for the entire calendar year. Speaker 300:24:03Okay. Great. I'll stop there. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:08Thanks, Ryan. Operator00:24:11The next question comes from Paul Zimbardo with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:24:21Good morning, Paul. Speaker 600:24:24My cranky coworker Julian wanted to say hi. I think he's at the tailwind now. Speaker 200:24:29Julian is never cranky, Paul? Speaker 600:24:32He's getting new measurements to give to Lisa to prepare for EEI. So I made sure he gets that done. Speaker 300:24:37All right. Okay. Speaker 500:24:38So I Speaker 300:24:38gave him a pass. Speaker 200:24:39Okay. Speaker 600:24:41Thank you on the refresh. I was Speaker 400:24:43just hoping you could drill in Speaker 600:24:44a little more on the new 5 year investment plan. Just are there opportunities to add more batteries into that outlook, whether like 2026 plus as well as renewables tail? Speaker 400:24:57Yes, Paul, absolutely. A couple of things that I mentioned was the 12 megawatt batteries to relieve the feeder Constraints and to kind of give you a feel, that's 6 megawatts on each feeder. And right now, we have 18 feeders that are at that capacity. So There's always options there as we kind of look forward. Those feeders provide tremendous customer benefit in being able for the customer to connect to rooftop solar. Speaker 400:25:23And And right now, they are not able to because of those feeder constraints. So those are options. We have talked about our 2026 RFP. Obviously, that's included in our capital plan. We will have a 2027 RFP that we are working through right now as well. Speaker 400:25:39So that kind of pushes it out there. So that's that element of it. In Texas, there is always opportunities as we file our grid resilience. But those have to always be balanced with customer impacts and The overall financing that we would do. Speaker 600:25:55Okay, great. Understood there. And And kind of at a high level, could you help walk from that 10.6% rate base CAGR to the 5% EPS CAGR? And I know you have the equity in there, which Probably takes about 2.5% or so, but it seems like there's kind of some cushion or conservatism. I don't know if that's additional regulatory lag, parent cost or something else? Speaker 500:26:21Yes. Good question. So I would say several Thanks. You have a great regulatory construct in Texas, but it's still based on historical test year. And so you do have Some regulatory lag. Speaker 500:26:37The same thing first, we had a historical test year and then there's also timing of rate cases. And so and beyond that, you have the Holdco financing both from a debt and equity standpoint. So I think that those Thanks. So really what makes up the difference between the 10% rate base growth down to 5% earnings growth. Speaker 600:27:03Okay, great. So nothing really different from the historical pattern, just regulatory lag and financing? Speaker 500:27:11Correct. Speaker 600:27:14Thank you, team. Appreciate it. Speaker 300:27:17Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:27:20Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:27:27Hey, good morning, team. How are you? Speaker 200:27:29Good. Good morning, Jonathan. Speaker 700:27:33I was wondering if you could expand on your understanding The Supreme Court's options, if they do remain the order back to the PRC, can they narrowly define what issues PRC can address or fix or does the PRC automatically have CARP launch? Speaker 200:27:53I I thought you're going to ask us if Speaker 100:27:55we're in our Halloween costumes today or Speaker 200:27:56not, Jonathan, but I'll go ahead and answer your Speaker 700:28:02I think that's a given Halloween costume, so Speaker 500:28:05Thank you. Speaker 200:28:06Because we do have some Halloween customs on today. So I wish we had an exact answer on what the Supreme Court can and can't do. And if you listen to the oral arguments, I think that they were maybe even a little questioning what they can do. But our belief is that they either remand it back or they don't. And again, obviously, depending on what the order on remand says, The commission will get to determine their next step. Speaker 200:28:33But the commission should have wide latitude to determine what to reopen assuming the Supreme Court kind of gives them just as we remand it back to be fixed. I know that's a squishy answer, but it's a squishy process. Speaker 700:28:52Okay. So I mean, You do think the commission does have wide latitude, even if, I guess, the Supreme Court Yes. Speaker 200:28:59If we address the order, they have wide latitude. They obviously can't go outside of the They have wide latitude to address the order. Speaker 700:29:08Okay. All right. Yes, it will be interesting to see How that comes out? So then in terms of Speaker 200:29:17We agree. Speaker 700:29:20Yes. That might be the understatement, right? Speaker 300:29:23Yes. Speaker 700:29:26So how should we be thinking about like weather normalized EPS for $0.23 then. If I'm understanding like Slide 19 correctly, it shows above normal weather year to date has been like $0.14 positive in New Mexico and $0.05 in Texas. So if I subtract that $0.19 from kind of the new guidance midpoint of call it 2.78 It would put full year 'twenty three weather normal at EPS at $2.59 which is actually below I think your initial 'twenty three guidance range of $2.60 to $2.75 like is that fair? Is that how we should be thinking of it? Speaker 500:30:05Well, we've had strong weather in the Q3 both across Texas and New Mexico. But We're also when that happens, we also use that as an opportunity to do some extra maintenance at the utilities. There's been other offsets in terms of our nuclear decommissioning trust. As you know, we have 80% and asset allocation of 80% fixed income. And so when the fixed income market is dragging, that also has an impact. Speaker 500:30:40And then we also have some interest expense exposure due to Both timing of equity as well as the securitization issuance that we're planning to do later this year. Speaker 200:30:54John, I would say the biggest thing is that we dynamically manage our O and M. And so when we have the opportunity to give the folks in Some extra dollars, we always do that so that they can invest it in the safety and reliability and resiliency of the system. So that's the biggest Speaker 700:31:14Okay. So yes, we should think of it as you kind of flexing that versus the business not performing as expected or something like that. Speaker 600:31:22Correct. Speaker 700:31:24That makes sense. And then last, I think kind of following up to Paul's question, just trying to better understand what is or isn't in the new CapEx plan. So the 60 Megawatt utility on battery storage project, that's in there and that's represented by the yellow bars, right? Speaker 500:31:39That's correct. Speaker 700:31:40Okay. And then for the for lack of a better word, the copycat projects of the 12 Megawatt battery storage CCN, That's not in there at this point. Speaker 400:31:50It's not in there. Just the 12 megawatts is all that's in there. Speaker 700:31:54Okay. And then what about the potential transmission projects in Texas that you alluded to in your prepared remarks? Are any of those baked in? Speaker 500:32:04Yes, they are all baked in. Speaker 700:32:07Okay. Are there like Is there any way to kind of categorize in what's in the budget like projects that I guess we should view or not locked in depending on maybe regulatory approval, stuff like that, like a certain amount of that at risk. I know you already kind of walked through the Speaker 400:32:31The 12 Megawatt, even though it's completely unopposed, is in there in the regulatory process. We would expect to get approval for that. Texas, those are strong projects that flow through. So we don't see any issues in that arena. Grid mod, we did move back 1 year, But we do expect to get grid mod approved in the capital budget. Speaker 400:32:52So those are projects that are fluid, but We have capabilities to deliver on them. Speaker 200:32:59They all have high probability of being approved and then we always have We can slip in there if something doesn't get approved. We've got the folks have lots of capital desires. So there's always enough to fill the pipeline. Speaker 700:33:14Okay. So anything that might slip out, yes, you got other stuff that you think would Speaker 800:33:18move? Yes. Speaker 400:33:19Okay. Yes. And Jonathan, we always balance out with customer impact. We're always looking at the combination of the both. And as Pat said, there's always additional projects as we harden the system. Speaker 500:33:29Yes. And if you see in Texas, I mean We have tremendous growth in Texas, particularly around the demand load side. And so that really The need for capital investments in Texas is strong and particularly when you think about the legislative session with The resiliency rider coming along, that's a good area for us to invest in. Speaker 700:33:55Right, right. Okay. Well, I appreciate you taking my questions and look forward to seeing you at EI. We'll be there. Take care, Jonathan. Operator00:34:05Our next question comes from Brandon Lee with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:34:11Hi, Pat. Hi, Don. Thanks for taking my question. Most of my questions have been asked. But just wondering so thanks for the disclosure on the one $100,000,000 of equity over the next few years. Speaker 800:34:24Just wondering if there's any alternative ways you could raise equity in lieu of issuing it like selling non core assets or something like that? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:38Those are obviously alternatives, but we think issuing equity is the best way to do it. We don't really have any non core assets. We are obviously in the process Selling and MRD and everything else is core to our business and would like to continue to invest in our business. And I'd rather raise equity and invest in the business and get a return on it than sell a piece of the business. So Speaker 800:35:01Okay, perfect. That's all I had. Thanks. Speaker 200:35:03Thank you. Operator00:35:15At this time, we have no further questions. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Pat Vincent Callon for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:25Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks at EEI. Until then, make sure you raise a toast to your cranky and non cranky coworkers this evening and have a safe and happy Halloween. Thank you all. Operator00:35:46The conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, Dave, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning for the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at pnmresources.com. Joining me today are PNM Resources' Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent Collawn President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that PNM Resources assumes no obligation to update this information. Speaker 100:01:38For a detailed discussion of factors affecting PNM Resources' results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10 ks, quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as reports on Form 8 ks filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat. Speaker 200:01:58Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Crankey Coworkers Day. And yes, you can Google it. It is a real day. Now we are sure none of you have any cranky coworkers or that none of you are one of those Thank you, co workers and none of us surely are, but we're going to celebrate the day just in case. Speaker 200:02:19I'm going to start on Slide 4 with our financial results and strategic updates. Ongoing earnings were $1.54 for the Q3 compared to $1.46 last year. Summer temperatures were hotter across New Mexico and Texas and had a significant impact on earnings. We are adjusting our guidance for the year to a range of $2.75 to $2.80 per share. Lisa will walk through the details. Speaker 200:02:49The New Mexico Supreme Court held oral arguments on our merger with Ovengren on September 15. This was the final step in the appeal process And there is no time line for when the court will issue its decision. And yes, we reprise Tom Petty because we agree that the waiting is the hardest part. As a reminder, the court has two options: to uphold the Commission's decision or to vacate the order and remand the case back to the Commission. If there is a remand, the Commission will determine the next step on how to respond to the court's order. Speaker 200:03:24The merger agreement was previously extended through December with the option for a further 3 month extension through March. Separately, the sale of our joint venture, NMRD, remains on track. The renewable projects in this portfolio are attractive assets, We are now executing on the current challenging market and we are working to evaluate the bids. We expect to close the sale in the late 4th quarter or early Q1. With that, I will Speaker 300:03:53turn it over to Don. Speaker 400:03:54Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I will start on Slide 6 with operational highlights New Mexico continues to announce new economic development wins. 2 of those announcements warranted national attention during the Q3. In August, President Biden visited the site of a new facility that will manufacture wind towers in PNM's service territory. Soon after, Maxeon Solar announced its plans for its 1st U. Speaker 400:04:22S.-based manufacturing facility, a 3 gigawatt plant in Albuquerque. The $1,000,000,000 investment is also expected to bring 1800 new jobs to the area. We are also seeing continued announcements and inquiries for new businesses and expansions, further increasing our system demand outlook. In July, PNM had 2 consecutive days at a new all time system peak when cooling degree days for the month We're almost 50% higher than the 20 year normal. Last year's new peak was the first for PNM in nearly a decade. Speaker 400:05:00We maintained reliability through the peak season in both years, thanks to careful monitoring, planning and system maintenance from our teams. On the other side of the equation, we have also started the approval process to add new resources to our system. After an RFP process began last year, we filed an application at the commission this week for resources needed in 2026. These additions will align our planning reserves with industry standards and it will better position us as a state for additional economic development inquiries. The filing proposes 100 Megawatt of solar through PPAs and 250 Megawatts of Battery Storage Capacity Through Energy Storage Agreements along with 60 Megawatts of Utility Owned Battery. Speaker 400:05:52This is our first proposal for utility owned generation resources in some time and it carries several benefits for customers in addition to being part of the lease cost portfolio. Ownership of battery allows us to charge and discharge the battery in our customers' best interests, while maximizing our entire system. It also allows us to retain the battery, upgrade components and extend the life of the battery versus paying to replace the battery at the end of the contract term. Balancing this with energy storage agreements allows the utility to avoid the risk of operations and maintenance costs increased during the contract period. We see the mix of ownership and contract resources providing the best operational and customer value. Speaker 400:06:38Each of the proposed solar and battery projects leverage existing grid interconnections in order to be online in 2026. We've asked the commission for approval of these resources by May and we'll provide you with updates as the filing proceeds. 1 year ago, our generation capacity hedges reached 50% carbon free resources. Adding these 2026 resources to our plans will move us to 75% carbon free and this doesn't include community solar resources, which are also expected in the coming years. Our clean energy transition in New Mexico is moving rapidly. Speaker 400:07:18Turning to Slide 7, I will cover our key regulatory proceedings with the New Mexico Commission. In our PNM rate change filing, hearings have been completed and we continue to expect a commission decision by the end of the year. The unanimous settlement of the San Juan rate credit removes this item from the rate case. As As we continue to transition our generation portfolio, the 2 remaining transitional issues in the case primarily relate to past decisions on Four Corners and Palo Verde Resources and the recovery of amounts associated with those plants. We are looking forward to resolving these issues as we move forward on our path to carbon free. Speaker 400:08:00Our proposal for a 12 megawatt kilo megawatts of battery storage as a distribution solution is also under review at the commission. We received full support of our request from the intervening parties in this case. If these batteries are approved, we will look to take this same approach at our other distribution sites to relieve overloaded feeders and accommodate more renewable energy. The hearing examiner held hearings on October 12 and we expect a commission decision before the end of the year. In our grid modernization filing, we expect to file the requested cost benefit analysis to for the proposed investments in November. Speaker 400:08:42Many of the future rate design possibilities discussed by stakeholders and our current rate review require these advanced metering technologies that are proposed in our grid modernization filing. We expect a decision in the first half of twenty twenty four. We have also been working with stakeholders and getting their input into our integrated resource plan that will be filed before the end of the year. While the IRP is not formally approved by the commission, it provides modeling results showing the most Cost effective path forward for meeting system demands over the next 20 years. The filing and subsequent commission discussion will provide some direction for the path ahead towards our carbon free goals. Speaker 400:09:26Before I turn to TNMP, I quickly note We have not made any new determinations on the future of our ownership in Four Corners power plant. We continue to evaluate options for potential exit and replacement before our ownership contract expires in 2,031. Now turning to Texas on slide 8. I will cover TNMP's recent operating highlights and key regulatory updates. After setting a new system record in June, TNMP exceeded this level twice at the end of July and then again in August. Speaker 400:09:59The consistent growth in system demand at TNMP and legislative support for infrastructure investments prompted us to bring more projects to the forefront of our plan. Lisa will walk through our revised capital plans through 2027, which includes this growth at TNMP. I mentioned last quarter that our annual capital investment plans at TNMP had more than doubled in the last 5 years from $200,000,000 to $400,000,000 per year. And now our 5 year plan shows this level increasing to $600,000,000 per year as Texas continues to lead the nation in growth. On the distribution side, customer growth remains strong and the housing markets in our North Texas and Gulf Coast service territories are among the strongest in the country. Speaker 400:10:47For example, we have been working with a developer all year to announce its plans this month for a new 1600 home community in our Gulf Coast service territory. Development has already begun and housing construction is expected to begin in 2025. On the transmission side, our teams have worked to earn a reputation in the area for processing new requests in a timely manner and are fielding additional inquiries. In addition to our system demand, One of our proposals for transmission expansion in West Texas has been vetted by the ERCOT Regional Planning Group and should be considered by ERCOT Board later this year. We are seeing interconnection requests increase each quarter and under new legislation ERCOT will be directed to develop a reliability plan Mission Capital Recovery in September. Speaker 400:11:47Next year, we plan to make semiannual filings under both the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms based on the new DCRF legislation. All of our T and D capital investments qualify for recovery in this manner. As the rules for new resilience legislation are finalized, we could see additional recovery mechanisms put into place and would also submit a filing under those rules. We also received approval for TNMP's annual energy efficiency program with a settlement for recovery of $6,600,000 of program costs, which includes a $1,200,000 bonus incentive for prior year achievement. TNMP remains the fastest growing segment of our With the constructive regulatory environment to recover investments timely. Speaker 400:12:34With that, I will turn it over to Lisa. Speaker 500:12:37Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 10 with a summary of the year over year changes in Q3 earnings. Earnings per share in the Q3 of 2023 were $1.54 compared to $1.46 in the Q3 of 2022. Weather was a significant positive driver in both New Mexico and Texas adding $0.21 to the quarter. Continued rate recovery of transmission and distribution investments at TNMP also added earnings. Speaker 500:13:13The increase at both utilities was partially offset by planned O and M increases and expenses for depreciation, property Tax and interest associated with new rate based investments. Lower earnings at corporate Reflect higher interest rates year over year, partially mitigated by the hedges we previously put in place. On Slide 11, I will cover our load growth for both PNM and TNMP. At PNM, weather had the biggest impact on our sales volumes. On a weather normalized basis, we continue to see residential and commercial classes ahead of our expectations, while the ramp up Some of our larger industrial customers remained behind schedule. Speaker 500:14:04We have updated our total At TNMP, we also hit new system peaks a few times over the quarter and not only because of hotter Temperatures, we have seen higher than expected demand based load both from crypto and other customers. Weather normalized volumetric load has been below our expectations, particularly in the Q3 as customers began to see their bills on June July and reduced their usage along with some reductions when ERCOT called for conservation. We have updated our expectations for the full year for both volumetric and demand based load. We expect P and P volumetric loads to come in between 0% and 1%, while demand based load is expected to come in between 12% 13 Turning to Slide 12, we have updated and rolled out our capital plan through 2027 for a total of $5,900,000,000 At TNMP, as Don mentioned, we are funding additional projects to support high demand on our system and provide an increased level of reliability and resiliency supported by Texas legislators this year. In the North Texas and the Gulf Coast areas where our distribution load is located, This means replacing transformers and substations, trading out wood poles for steel and adding new circuits and feeders. Speaker 500:15:54For transmission loads, which are in all three of our regions, this means adding new points of interconnection on These investments have been prioritized to align with the new legislation, but they can be recovered under the existing TCOS or DCRF mechanisms. The new rulemaking May provide opportunities for additional recovery of cost and investments tied to resiliency plans. As Don pointed out, CNMP's capital spending is now growing to just over $600,000,000 per year. T and M's capital needs are also growing to accommodate the new resources and customer expansions discussed earlier. We have balanced the added capital with the impact on customer bills. Speaker 500:16:49On the graph in yellow, We've called out the investments for own battery storage. All battery investments will have to go through the CCM filing in order to be approved. We also shifted our grid modernization plans back 1 year to reflect the shift in timing of the regulatory proceedings. In the table at the bottom of the page, we have provided the corresponding rate base for these investments. These two jurisdictions utilize rate mechanisms to provide more timely recovery. Speaker 500:17:32Turning to Slide 13, I'll provide an update on earnings guidance for the rest of the year and our long term growth, including our financing plan. We are raising our earnings guidance for 2023 to a range of $2.75 to $2.80 Higher transmission margins in the 1st part of the year combined with the hot summer temperatures in the 3rd quarter increased earnings at both utilities. These changes are partially offset by higher interest expense, lower transmission margins in the second half of the year and lower fixed income performance in our decommissioning trust. On the equity side, we completed another $100,000,000 of forward sales under our ATM program during the Q3, fulfilling the $200,000,000 of equity needs for this year. We plan to settle those forward sales contracts through the issuance of shares before year end. Speaker 500:18:36The proceeds from the sale of NMRD combined with the $200,000,000 of equity this year and the $345,000,000 of San Juan securitization bonds will help strengthen our balance sheet and position us for future growth. As we look forward, we have assumed on average approximately 100,000,000 dollars a year of equity to help fund growth in our capital investments. As usual, we leave our financing options open and as hedges in place through the end of the year and $600,000,000 hedges in 2024 to mitigate the impact of interest rates on our variable rate debt. Looking forward, if we are financing the business on a standalone basis, we will look to issue more permanent financing for this debt. Under these assumptions, we're comfortable extending our 5% growth target out to 2027 as we finance our rate base growth in the current market environment. Speaker 500:19:50With that, I will turn it back over to Pat. Speaker 200:19:53Thank you, Lisa. In addition to Cranky Coworkers Day, today is also Global Champagne Day. So before I open it up for questions And in the spirit of champagne toast, I would like to share some of our recent celebrations. This summer, the PNM Resources Foundation celebrated 40 years of giving. We just held our annual day of service and safety day at PNM and TNMP and we hosted our largest annual customer assistance fair at PNM. Speaker 200:20:25PNM P was named Business of the Month at 1 of its Local Chamber of Commerce. PNM was awarded a sustainability initiative of the year from the Business Intelligence Group for our project to transfer critical water infrastructure at the San Juan Coal Plant to the Navajo Nation. So to everyone involved Operator00:21:21The first question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:21:28Good morning, everybody. Speaker 200:21:29Good morning, Ryan. Good Speaker 400:21:30morning, Ryan. Speaker 500:21:31Good morning. Speaker 300:21:31And happy, I guess, to a National Champagne Day or whatever at least to highlight it. In terms of the financing plan, so you highlighted $100,000,000 of equity needs as part of your baseline plan. So Just to clarify, that assumes it's exactly like that of the renewable portfolio? And does that Contemplate any incremental potential capital in Texas beyond what's outlined in your presentation today? Or can you A little more color around what's embedded in that forecast? Speaker 500:22:12Yes. So we are looking to do 100,000,000 on average for the next 4 years. And that does not include what we're doing this year, which is The $200,000,000 of equity that we already done as well as the NMRD sales that we are expecting towards the end of the year or early next year. Speaker 300:22:39Okay. And regarding that sale, Did you delay or extend the timeline from closing that from the Q4 to Q4 or early next year. And is there any color as you could maybe you could speak to as to why maybe the timeline is slipping a little bit? Speaker 500:22:58Yes, we're going through the bid process and our objective is towards the end of the year, but it can slip into the beginning of next year. We do have to go through a FERC filing in that sale, so that may also take a little time. And as you know, we don't know what's going to happen On November 17. So we're taking that into account as well. Speaker 200:23:20We're lengthening our regulatory timelines, right? Everything takes longer than we expected. Speaker 300:23:27Okay. And then in terms of the hedge, the interest rate hedge for 2024, How is that structured? At what rate? Is it hedged at? And does that hedge Extend for the full calendar year or is that only partial year in terms of how that's positioned? Speaker 500:23:47Yes, Ryan, this is We have a hedge of $600,000,000 in total. The average price is around 3.5 And so and it goes for the entire calendar year. Speaker 300:24:03Okay. Great. I'll stop there. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:08Thanks, Ryan. Operator00:24:11The next question comes from Paul Zimbardo with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:24:21Good morning, Paul. Speaker 600:24:24My cranky coworker Julian wanted to say hi. I think he's at the tailwind now. Speaker 200:24:29Julian is never cranky, Paul? Speaker 600:24:32He's getting new measurements to give to Lisa to prepare for EEI. So I made sure he gets that done. Speaker 300:24:37All right. Okay. Speaker 500:24:38So I Speaker 300:24:38gave him a pass. Speaker 200:24:39Okay. Speaker 600:24:41Thank you on the refresh. I was Speaker 400:24:43just hoping you could drill in Speaker 600:24:44a little more on the new 5 year investment plan. Just are there opportunities to add more batteries into that outlook, whether like 2026 plus as well as renewables tail? Speaker 400:24:57Yes, Paul, absolutely. A couple of things that I mentioned was the 12 megawatt batteries to relieve the feeder Constraints and to kind of give you a feel, that's 6 megawatts on each feeder. And right now, we have 18 feeders that are at that capacity. So There's always options there as we kind of look forward. Those feeders provide tremendous customer benefit in being able for the customer to connect to rooftop solar. Speaker 400:25:23And And right now, they are not able to because of those feeder constraints. So those are options. We have talked about our 2026 RFP. Obviously, that's included in our capital plan. We will have a 2027 RFP that we are working through right now as well. Speaker 400:25:39So that kind of pushes it out there. So that's that element of it. In Texas, there is always opportunities as we file our grid resilience. But those have to always be balanced with customer impacts and The overall financing that we would do. Speaker 600:25:55Okay, great. Understood there. And And kind of at a high level, could you help walk from that 10.6% rate base CAGR to the 5% EPS CAGR? And I know you have the equity in there, which Probably takes about 2.5% or so, but it seems like there's kind of some cushion or conservatism. I don't know if that's additional regulatory lag, parent cost or something else? Speaker 500:26:21Yes. Good question. So I would say several Thanks. You have a great regulatory construct in Texas, but it's still based on historical test year. And so you do have Some regulatory lag. Speaker 500:26:37The same thing first, we had a historical test year and then there's also timing of rate cases. And so and beyond that, you have the Holdco financing both from a debt and equity standpoint. So I think that those Thanks. So really what makes up the difference between the 10% rate base growth down to 5% earnings growth. Speaker 600:27:03Okay, great. So nothing really different from the historical pattern, just regulatory lag and financing? Speaker 500:27:11Correct. Speaker 600:27:14Thank you, team. Appreciate it. Speaker 300:27:17Thank you. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:27:20Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:27:27Hey, good morning, team. How are you? Speaker 200:27:29Good. Good morning, Jonathan. Speaker 700:27:33I was wondering if you could expand on your understanding The Supreme Court's options, if they do remain the order back to the PRC, can they narrowly define what issues PRC can address or fix or does the PRC automatically have CARP launch? Speaker 200:27:53I I thought you're going to ask us if Speaker 100:27:55we're in our Halloween costumes today or Speaker 200:27:56not, Jonathan, but I'll go ahead and answer your Speaker 700:28:02I think that's a given Halloween costume, so Speaker 500:28:05Thank you. Speaker 200:28:06Because we do have some Halloween customs on today. So I wish we had an exact answer on what the Supreme Court can and can't do. And if you listen to the oral arguments, I think that they were maybe even a little questioning what they can do. But our belief is that they either remand it back or they don't. And again, obviously, depending on what the order on remand says, The commission will get to determine their next step. Speaker 200:28:33But the commission should have wide latitude to determine what to reopen assuming the Supreme Court kind of gives them just as we remand it back to be fixed. I know that's a squishy answer, but it's a squishy process. Speaker 700:28:52Okay. So I mean, You do think the commission does have wide latitude, even if, I guess, the Supreme Court Yes. Speaker 200:28:59If we address the order, they have wide latitude. They obviously can't go outside of the They have wide latitude to address the order. Speaker 700:29:08Okay. All right. Yes, it will be interesting to see How that comes out? So then in terms of Speaker 200:29:17We agree. Speaker 700:29:20Yes. That might be the understatement, right? Speaker 300:29:23Yes. Speaker 700:29:26So how should we be thinking about like weather normalized EPS for $0.23 then. If I'm understanding like Slide 19 correctly, it shows above normal weather year to date has been like $0.14 positive in New Mexico and $0.05 in Texas. So if I subtract that $0.19 from kind of the new guidance midpoint of call it 2.78 It would put full year 'twenty three weather normal at EPS at $2.59 which is actually below I think your initial 'twenty three guidance range of $2.60 to $2.75 like is that fair? Is that how we should be thinking of it? Speaker 500:30:05Well, we've had strong weather in the Q3 both across Texas and New Mexico. But We're also when that happens, we also use that as an opportunity to do some extra maintenance at the utilities. There's been other offsets in terms of our nuclear decommissioning trust. As you know, we have 80% and asset allocation of 80% fixed income. And so when the fixed income market is dragging, that also has an impact. Speaker 500:30:40And then we also have some interest expense exposure due to Both timing of equity as well as the securitization issuance that we're planning to do later this year. Speaker 200:30:54John, I would say the biggest thing is that we dynamically manage our O and M. And so when we have the opportunity to give the folks in Some extra dollars, we always do that so that they can invest it in the safety and reliability and resiliency of the system. So that's the biggest Speaker 700:31:14Okay. So yes, we should think of it as you kind of flexing that versus the business not performing as expected or something like that. Speaker 600:31:22Correct. Speaker 700:31:24That makes sense. And then last, I think kind of following up to Paul's question, just trying to better understand what is or isn't in the new CapEx plan. So the 60 Megawatt utility on battery storage project, that's in there and that's represented by the yellow bars, right? Speaker 500:31:39That's correct. Speaker 700:31:40Okay. And then for the for lack of a better word, the copycat projects of the 12 Megawatt battery storage CCN, That's not in there at this point. Speaker 400:31:50It's not in there. Just the 12 megawatts is all that's in there. Speaker 700:31:54Okay. And then what about the potential transmission projects in Texas that you alluded to in your prepared remarks? Are any of those baked in? Speaker 500:32:04Yes, they are all baked in. Speaker 700:32:07Okay. Are there like Is there any way to kind of categorize in what's in the budget like projects that I guess we should view or not locked in depending on maybe regulatory approval, stuff like that, like a certain amount of that at risk. I know you already kind of walked through the Speaker 400:32:31The 12 Megawatt, even though it's completely unopposed, is in there in the regulatory process. We would expect to get approval for that. Texas, those are strong projects that flow through. So we don't see any issues in that arena. Grid mod, we did move back 1 year, But we do expect to get grid mod approved in the capital budget. Speaker 400:32:52So those are projects that are fluid, but We have capabilities to deliver on them. Speaker 200:32:59They all have high probability of being approved and then we always have We can slip in there if something doesn't get approved. We've got the folks have lots of capital desires. So there's always enough to fill the pipeline. Speaker 700:33:14Okay. So anything that might slip out, yes, you got other stuff that you think would Speaker 800:33:18move? Yes. Speaker 400:33:19Okay. Yes. And Jonathan, we always balance out with customer impact. We're always looking at the combination of the both. And as Pat said, there's always additional projects as we harden the system. Speaker 500:33:29Yes. And if you see in Texas, I mean We have tremendous growth in Texas, particularly around the demand load side. And so that really The need for capital investments in Texas is strong and particularly when you think about the legislative session with The resiliency rider coming along, that's a good area for us to invest in. Speaker 700:33:55Right, right. Okay. Well, I appreciate you taking my questions and look forward to seeing you at EI. We'll be there. Take care, Jonathan. Operator00:34:05Our next question comes from Brandon Lee with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:34:11Hi, Pat. Hi, Don. Thanks for taking my question. Most of my questions have been asked. But just wondering so thanks for the disclosure on the one $100,000,000 of equity over the next few years. Speaker 800:34:24Just wondering if there's any alternative ways you could raise equity in lieu of issuing it like selling non core assets or something like that? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:38Those are obviously alternatives, but we think issuing equity is the best way to do it. We don't really have any non core assets. We are obviously in the process Selling and MRD and everything else is core to our business and would like to continue to invest in our business. And I'd rather raise equity and invest in the business and get a return on it than sell a piece of the business. So Speaker 800:35:01Okay, perfect. That's all I had. Thanks. Speaker 200:35:03Thank you. Operator00:35:15At this time, we have no further questions. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Pat Vincent Callon for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:35:25Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks at EEI. Until then, make sure you raise a toast to your cranky and non cranky coworkers this evening and have a safe and happy Halloween. Thank you all. Operator00:35:46The conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by