BlueLinx Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 1, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the BlueLinx Holdings Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode and today's call is being recorded. We will begin with opening remarks and introductions. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Investor Relations Officer, Tom Morabito. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome to the BlueLinx Q3 2023 earnings call. Joining me on today's call is Sham Reddy, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Andy Wamser, our Chief Financial Officer. At the end of today's prepared remarks, we will take questions. Our Q3 news release and Form 10 Q were issued yesterday After the close of the market, along with our webcast presentation, and these items are available in the Investors section of our website, bluelingsco.com. We encourage you to follow along with the detailed information on the slides during our webcast.

Speaker 1

Today's discussion contains forward looking statements. Actual results may differ significantly from those forward looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties, including the risks described in our most recent SEC filings. Today's presentation includes certain non GAAP and adjusted financial measures that we believe provide helpful context for investors evaluating our business. Reconciliations to the closest GAAP financial measure can be found in the appendix of our presentation. Now I'll turn it over to Shan.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tom, and good morning, everyone. We are pleased with our Q3 results Given the higher interest rate environment that's impacting the housing and building products sector, the BlueLinx team punctuated the quarter with Strong margins in Specialty Products, which accounted for about 70% of our net sales. We continue to generate solid margins in our structural business. And when combined with our margins in Specialty Products, the team produced strong free cash flow. We also demonstrated our clear commitment Returning capital to shareholders by completing our share repurchase program and by announcing a new $100,000,000 share repurchase authorization.

Speaker 2

These results reflect our relentless commitment to the company's primary strategic priorities. 1st, We remain focused on growing 5 key high margin specialty product categories that are not only 2 step distribution friendly, They also support the long term prospects of the housing industry and personal preferences of the American consumer. Engineered wood, siding, millwork, In addition to representing approximately 70% of our net sales, specialty products generated 80% of our gross profit dollars in the Q3 and furtherance of the longer term goal of specialty products making up 80% of net sales. We are accomplishing our objectives because our teams are leveraging our scale, geographic reach, selling capabilities and product mix, Including our commodity product offering, Kaselda BlueLinx value proposition, which includes our expanded specialty product offerings and value added services in key markets. These expanded partnerships highlight the confidence and faith our suppliers have placed in our nationwide capabilities and our commitment to providing best in class products and services to our customers.

Speaker 2

2nd, We continue to drive operational, pricing and procurement excellence deeper into the DNA of the company. These efforts have continued to support our customer experience, Solid margin levels in Specialty and Structural Products and a cost structure that is in line with fluctuating and seasonal levels of demand, We are effectively managing our costs as our adjusted EBITDA margin year to date is 6%, which we believe is Strong given the downward pressure associated with wage, benefits and other SG and A inflation on top of challenging market conditions. We are also making technology investments to support our current growth strategy and to prepare for our digital transformation journey. For example, we have strengthened our data warehouse and analytical capabilities, upgraded some of our back office tools, expanded EVI capabilities and enhanced our general technology hardware and infrastructure in our warehouses. We'll continue to explore ways to leverage technology to further enhance our sales, operational pricing and procurement excellence initiatives.

Speaker 2

3rd, we remain committed to exploring and executing on opportunities to grow the business via organic expansion in new markets and M and A. The industry remains fragmented, providing the potential for future expansion opportunities through organic market expansion and M and A efforts. We are targeting opportunities geographically and by specialty product line. Importantly, we are going to be disciplined with any potential expansions, geographic or otherwise, to ensure they support long term value creation. VanderMeer Forest Products, which joined the BlueLinx family just over 1 year ago, is a great example of the muscle our team has developed to do a reasonably sized deal, Integrated well and leveraged the collective skills and strengths of both teams to expand BlueLinx into new markets successfully in a short period of time.

Speaker 2

As you may recall, VanderMeer provided a strong platform for growth in the Pacific Northwest by giving us the ability to serve all 50 states and to grow our Specialty Products business in new areas of the country. A year later, VanderMeer is performing very well and Significantly exceeded our EBITDA expectations from the time of the transaction. The business is not only integrated with the rest of BlueLinx, it is a Strategic focus area for growing our business via BlueLinx supplier relationships and our commercial excellence capabilities. We're also enhancing the operational capabilities of the Pacific Northwest Business by putting our centralized operational center of excellence to work or in ways they never experienced prior to joining the BlueLinx family. Our strategic priorities are closely tied with our capital allocation philosophy, which is disciplined and focused on reinvesting in business initiatives that allow us to grow sales, improve productivity, expand our geographic reach and provide better service.

Speaker 2

This discipline will drive organic growth while giving us the opportunity to return capital to shareholders. Our financial position remains strong with liquidity of $816,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter, including a record $470,000,000 of cash on hand. As a result, we have the flexibility to make We invested $5,000,000 in capital expenditures to improve our business. We also returned approximately $18,000,000 to shareholders Through share repurchases under our previous $100,000,000 share repurchase program, which is now complete, Our Board of Directors has approved a new $100,000,000 share repurchase authorization, further demonstrating our confidence and our recent performance and in our long term growth strategy. Now moving on to our Q3 results.

Speaker 2

As you all know, the year over year comps have been tough, not just for us, but for everyone in the housing and building products industry. The comparable quarter last year was at the tail end of a low interest rate and pandemic induced housing boom. With higher interest rates slowing the rate of housing starts And repair and remodel activity, the current business environment is challenging. Fortunately, however, our teams and supplier partners, Combined with the faith and confidence our customers have placed in BlueLinx, enable us to compete effectively in the markets we serve as evidenced by our solid financial performance. Naturally then, I am very pleased with the team's efforts to deliver a solid quarter For our shareholders in the current environment and with tough year over year comparisons as a headwind, our teams are committed to generating more profitable Specialty product sales, driving value added pricing and producing solid returns on working capital to ensure that we can position ourselves to win In the market conditions we're dealt with and to invest in our long term success, hence the solid results we delivered.

Speaker 2

To be clear, our success is attributable to our teams and their relentless commitment to deliver what matters to our customers so they can successfully grow their business. We generated net sales of $810,000,000 $50,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA At a 6.2% adjusted EBITDA margin and approximately seventy-thirty specialty structural product net sales mix, Adjusted net income was $27,000,000 or $2.98 per share. We delivered solid gross margin performance in the 3rd quarter With Specialty Products at 19.8%, the highest level of the year and Structural Products at 11.3%. Our focus on commercial and operational excellence led to effective pricing and cost management, which were contributing factors to our sequential margin improvement of 100 basis points from the 2nd quarter. Our continued focus on working capital has generated significant improvements in operating cash flow.

Speaker 2

Year to date, we have reduced our inventory by over $120,000,000 with most of the reduction coming from the specialty products category. We also generated free cash flow of $73,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. As Andy will discuss in further detail, Similar to the 1st and second quarters of 2023, we experienced deflation and volume declines in some specialty product categories. That said, during the Q3, average daily volumes of specialty products remained consistent with the 2nd quarter. Turning to our perspective on the broader housing and building products market.

Speaker 2

Looking ahead into the Q4 of 2023, Industry sources are suggesting a deceleration in the positive momentum observed during the spring and early summer. Builder sentiment has decreased in recent months as mortgage rates have continued to increase and home pricing remains stubbornly high. This is making housing less affordable for many consumers, particularly first time buyers. It is difficult to predict the interest rate And overall macroeconomic environment, which is causing the industry to be cautious and its forecast to be muted. Allowing owners to fund repair and remodel projects, albeit smaller ones.

Speaker 2

Through the 1st 4 weeks of Q4, we have maintained solid margins for Specialty Products, although daily volumes are slightly down compared to what we saw during the recent quarter. That said, they're in line with historical seasonality, which we believe further demonstrates normalization. Structural margins have compressed as prices declined throughout October, though daily volumes are slightly higher. Although the near term outlook remains uncertain, we still believe in the long term prospects of the building products industry, Thereby justifying our strategic and investment focus, the fundamental undersupply of homes, supported demographic shifts, Aged housing stock, necessary repair activity and high levels of home equity should continue to benefit the building products industry and BlueLinx. In summary, we delivered solid quarterly financial results despite the challenging environment for housing and tough year over year comps.

Speaker 2

We are also making good progress on our strategic priorities, as seen by our specialty product expansion efforts, margin performance, strong cash generation In capital allocation initiatives, we continue to maintain our price and cost discipline, while proactively managing our working capital to generate strong operating cash flows, key strengths of BlueLinx in light of the macro uncertainties and the lingering possibility of an economic slowdown. This discipline will serve us well as the housing and building product sector continues to normalize. As a result of our prudent management of the business, We have a strong balance sheet that allows us to reinvest in the business, to pursue a digital transformation strategy, to expand geographically and to selectively pursue acquisitions, all of which position us well for the long term prospects of the business, while providing us with flexibility to return capital to shareholders. I'd like to end by thanking my fellow BlueLinx associates I've met with so many of our teams across the country in the last few months. Meeting with them has provided an opportunity to be close to the business and our efforts to support customers, while allowing me to feel the pulse of the organization, its heartbeat.

Speaker 2

Meeting with customers in our markets, addition to our strategic suppliers, has also provided valuable insights. And when combined with the direct feedback provided by our associates, we are able to Make better informed decisions to run the business in these challenging macroeconomic conditions and to make strategic investments that position the company to take full advantage of the underlying fundamentals of the housing industry that support long term growth. So thanks to our customers and Our teams are so dedicated to our customers as their commitment to enhancing the customer experience is Not a day goes by without me feeling a great sense of pride and privilege being on their team. Now I'll turn it over to Andy, He will provide more details on our financial results and capital structure.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Sham, and good morning, everyone. Let's first go through the consolidated highlights for the quarter. Overall, we delivered solid 3rd quarter results, highlighted by strong margins in both our Specialty and Structural product categories. Net sales were $810,000,000 down 24% year over year. Specialty Products sales were down 23% from the prior year due to a combination of deflation And lower volumes.

Speaker 3

Structural product sales were down 25%, also due to significant year over year declines in wood based commodity prices and lower volumes. As a reminder, when reviewing the year over year comparisons, it's important to point out that in the Q3 of 2022, we were experiencing unusually high levels of demand and significant price inflation across the business. So while the variances are quite significant, We are pleased with the financial results we generated this quarter considering recent market conditions. Total gross profit was $139,000,000 and gross margin was 17.2%, down 70 basis points from the prior year period. SG and A was $91,000,000 flat with the prior year period as lower delivery costs were offset by higher operating expenses due to the VanderMeer acquisition.

Speaker 3

Net income was $24,400,000 and diluted EPS was $2.71 per share. Adjusted net income was $26,800,000 And adjusted diluted EPS was $2.98 per share. The 3rd quarter tax rate was 27.2%, In line with our expectations and for the Q4 of 2023, we anticipate our tax rate to be in the 20% to 24% range. Adjusted EBITDA was $50,000,000 or 6.2 percent of net sales. Turning now to the Q3 results for Specialty Products.

Speaker 3

Net sales were $559,000,000 down 23% year over year. This decline was driven by a combination of deflation and lower volumes across several specialty product categories. Gross profit from specialty product sales was $111,000,000 down 27% year over year. Specialty gross margin was 19.8%, a strong margin, but down 110 basis points from last year. Through the 1st 4 weeks of Q4, specialty product gross margin was in the range of 18% to 19%, With daily sales volumes slightly down compared to the Q3 of this year, but in line with historical seasonality.

Speaker 3

Now moving on to Structural Products. Net sales were $251,000,000 down 25% compared to the prior year period. This decrease was primarily due to the significant year over year declines in average composite lumber and panel prices as well as volume. Gross profit from Structural Products was $28,000,000 a decrease of 25% year over year And structural gross margin was 11.3%, consistent with the same period last year. In the Q3 of 2023, average lumber prices were about $4.37 per 1,000 board feet And panel prices were about $6.36 per 1,000 Square Feet, a 26% and a 5% decrease, respectively, compared to the averages observed in the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 3

Sequentially, comparing the 3rd and second quarters of 2023, these prices were up 7% 20%, respectively. The sequential increase helps support the structural margins observed in the quarter. However, lumber and panel prices declined throughout the 3rd quarter and finished the last week of September at $4.22 $6.26 respectively. These prices have declined further in the 1st 4 weeks of the 4th quarter and are now $3.76 per 1,004 feet and $5.72 per 1,000 square feet respectively. Our strong structural margin continues to reflect excellent job our team does to manage commodity cost volatility risk through leveraging consignment and utilizing centralized purchasing and pricing to keep structural inventory levels low.

Speaker 3

Through the 1st 4 weeks of Q4, structural products gross margin was in the range of 9% to 10% with daily sales volumes slightly up compared to the Q3 of this year. This excludes any net impact that could arise from inventory adjustments. Looking out our balance sheet, our liquidity remains excellent due to the strong execution of our Strategic initiatives and effective management of working capital. As of the end of the Q3, cash on hand reached a record level of $470,000,000 An increase of $51,000,000 from Q2 to Q3. When considering our cash on hand and undrawn revolver capacity of $347,000,000 Available liquidity was $816,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter, also a record.

Speaker 3

Total debt, including financing leases was $577,000,000 and net debt was $107,000,000 Our net leverage is now 0 point 5 times and we have no material outstanding debt maturities until 2029. Our balance sheet is in excellent shape and when Combined with our solid EBITDA and strong cash generation, we are well positioned to support our strategic initiatives. These include capital allocation projects and investments in our highest return opportunities such as organic and inorganic growth investments and share repurchases. Now moving on to working capital and free cash flow. During the Q3, We generated operating cash flow of $78,000,000 and free cash flow of $73,000,000 Our 3rd quarter Cash generation was supported by earnings and a net benefit from working capital, primarily related to a reduction of approximately $15,000,000 in inventory.

Speaker 3

Specifically, we ended the Q3 with $364,000,000 of inventory, down over $120,000,000 from the beginning of the year. Turning now to capital allocation. During the quarter, we spent approximately $5,000,000 in CapEx, which were primarily for enhancements to our distribution branches. For the year, we still expect capital investments to remain around $30,000,000 focusing on facility improvements and further upgrades to our fleet. Also during the Q3, we purchased approximately $18,000,000 of our which as of last month is now complete.

Speaker 3

As authorization, we plan to be opportunistic in the market when repurchasing shares. As a reminder, this is our second $100,000,000 share repurchase authorization in the last 2 years. Our guiding principles for capital allocation remain consistent. We intend to maintain a strong balance sheet, which enables us to invest in our business through economic cycles, pursue geographic expansion and M and A strategy as well as return capital to shareholders. We also plan to maintain a long term target net leverage of 3 times or less.

Speaker 3

Overall, we are pleased with our Q3 results, highlighted by our strong margins and free cash flows, Especially when considering the challenging environment. Our strong balance sheet positions us well to execute on our strategy and provide Return to our shareholders as further evidenced by our new share repurchase authorization. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Greg Palm with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, I wanted to start with a little bit of the outlook commentary. It suggests October volumes more or less In line with that of Q3, just to be clear, is that normal?

Speaker 4

I assume volumes would likely trend Lower in the months of November December versus October. So just maybe wanted to be sure I was thinking about that right. I mean, Maybe getting the point, should we expect normal seasonal trends in Q4 versus Q3?

Speaker 1

Hey, Greg, this is Andy.

Speaker 3

It's a great question. And what I would say is October normally aligns with some of the trends that we see in the Q3. And As a reminder, our second and third quarters, I'd say in a more normalized market, which we're experiencing right now are generally our highest. And so you're on point. When we think about October, the trends were pretty decent, I mean, in terms of The volume outlook, as we start to close out the month.

Speaker 3

But as we look to November December, we then would see a dip Certainly in that seasonality. So, we certainly would expect, I would say the Q4 to In line, we're not trying to message the 4th quarter, it would be in line with the Q3 in terms of profitability.

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay. Understood. And then the gross margin within Specialty was, Yes, I'd say a highlight again and I'm just curious, are there kind of certain categories within that that you're focusing on more whether it be Higher margin product lines and kind of long term, how do you think about the focus there, whether it be on higher margin Product lines versus maybe higher growth opportunities?

Speaker 3

Yes. Another great question. The way I'd frame it is, when we look at the specialty margin in the Q3, it certainly was a high mark of the year so far at 19.8%. As we saw or we mentioned, we thought, as we look to the 4th quarter, it's sort of trending in 18% to 19%, so I'd say a modest sort of slight dip. When I think about some of the Trend lines, I would say EWP Millwork Siding continues to do well with some of those volumes and As those volumes have performed pretty well, that's those 3 categories have certainly helped the margin profile.

Speaker 3

But I would say we're focused on all five, The ones we consistently mentioned, but those are the 3 that really helped in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Yes. And just to add to that, As it relates to our margins, I mean, we're leveraging our pricing and service proposition capabilities to make sure We're pricing competitively by charging the appropriate price for the product and service offering we provide, while then thinking strategically about our sales based on those characteristics And the customers were selling to. So basically those who buy more from us get better deals and those who don't. And ultimately we are thinking about sales growth In the context of long term value creation, which is what's and then the diversified product portfolio helps us Execute successfully on that objective.

Speaker 4

Understood. Helpful color. I will leave it there. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Reuben Garner with Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Ruben.

Speaker 5

So

Speaker 6

throughout the quarter, we heard On the commodity side of your business that things maybe were starting to get a little bit more competitive. I think the term aggressive was even thrown around from someone in the industry. Are you guys Feeling that, have you had to defend share position? How are you thinking about that? I see your guidance for The Q4 is a touch below, but still very strong on the structural piece at 9% to 10% Gross margin, but maybe just walk me through if you're seeing any

Operator

of that kick in

Speaker 6

and how you kind of think about share versus margin in that part of your business?

Speaker 3

Sure. So I'll take the first stab at that. What I would say on structural, there certainly has been a little bit of a margin compression as we go from the 4th Quarter or go into the Q4. And in some of my comments, I gave sort of a framework in terms of where we ended in September to We're returning in October. So when you look at lumber and panels, it is down a decent bit.

Speaker 3

We've seen some real drop off here Pricing, I'd say over the last frankly 8 weeks or so. As it relates to volumes though, through the first 4 weeks of this year, structural volumes, I would say, are

Speaker 2

modestly up from a sequential.

Speaker 4

Again, I wouldn't read

Speaker 3

too much into that, the We're up from a sequential. Again, I wouldn't read too much into that, the same sort of I would sort of say the same comments as I mentioned to Greg, Where it's good to see that October volumes on a sequential basis in October up, I'd call it, bow mid single digits. But then we do expect that drop off in that normal seasonality in November December.

Speaker 2

Yes. Look, the structural piece of our business is an important one. We are obviously moving in the direction of achieving an 80% Net sales to 20% 80%, 20% specialty structural mix. But given the needs of our customers, we really believe That through strategic management of our structural program and which we're in where we use consignment, great inventory management from a centralized Perspective gives us the ability to really to take advantage of that piece of our business to drive Overall sales growth and support our customers in the way they need in order to be successful on their end. So despite the margin compression, We are seeing those volumes tick back up mainly because it's a core piece of our business.

Speaker 2

So the focus is on specialty.

Speaker 6

And on that specialty side, I think more exposure to the R and R Space there and I recognize the longer term comments about home equity levels and Aging of housing stock and that sort of thing. But in the near term, that area, I would assume, is maybe a little bit more challenged than new construction. Is that a fair assessment? And are you seeing any particular opportunities or product categories that are doing better than others? So Outdoor living for instance versus any other exposure that you have?

Speaker 2

Yes. So yes, I mean, obviously, we'll feel some of the adverse impact as it relates to repair and remodel lowering or the outlook being a little muted heading into the next year. That said, as we look at our product diversification, We do play in many layers of the construction cycle. So to the extent there are changes being made or Sacrifices being made, we feel like there'll still be repair and remodel activity. They'll just be smaller projects than maybe in the past because the home equity levels are high.

Speaker 2

But at the same time, our product diversification and our performance relative to the market decline suggests that We're actually comping favorably. So if the market comes down, we're not coming down as much. And I truly believe That is the case because of our product mix. So in areas like EWP, millwork, and siding for instance, Those are starting there's a lag for example, which we've talked about in the past, which I think is contributes to the numbers we experienced in Q3. Outdoor living products is one of those we're absolutely focused on.

Speaker 2

But to your point, it could be something that a homeowner puts off maybe a quarter or 2 As they wade through their own through the uncertainty of the market. But we are focused on it and we'll continue to push it and we have Multiple products within that outdoor living category that we can sell depending on the price point or what the American consumer wants.

Speaker 6

And within your specialty categories, is there any As we go into 'twenty four and beyond, are there any areas where you see inventory very bare In the channel that you'd have to rebuild or conversely any places where maybe there's too much Product and might be some pricing pressure going into 'twenty four in a softer environment?

Speaker 5

No, look, no, not at all.

Speaker 2

Look, the supply chain constraints have eased and as far as our inventory management Muscle, we manage very strategically. We are actively focused on inventory management to make sure that we have the appropriate inventory levels to meet our customers' needs. And to the extent there are things going on in the market that we act very quickly To generate cash off the balance sheet in the appropriate manner, as evidenced in our performance year to date as it relates to Working Capital Management, but I'll sort of let Andy.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think just the only thing to echo, just add a little bit more detail is just as we think about the inventory Through the 1st three quarters of this year, we've reduced our inventory by $120,000,000 I would say There isn't that much more room to go. There could be maybe a slight incremental more as we go into the year end. But We think we feel really good about where our inventory levels are, as we go into the New Year and are ready for 2024.

Speaker 2

Yes. And look, our strategy is to grow this business. And I really believe that our the muscle we've developed around managing our working capital will enable us To do that very efficiently and effectively and smartly, quite frankly.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks, guys. Good luck through the balance of the year.

Speaker 3

Appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kurt Yinger with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks and good morning everyone.

Speaker 3

Seeker?

Speaker 5

Shyam, I just wanted to stick on that last point in terms of being focused on growing the business. And I guess I'm curious how do you kind of balance the desire to maintain the pricing discipline and margins in Specialty With volumes, just because the last several years that's been an area that's lagged pretty consistently. So just curious whether you think you can do both Or if that focus on the margin side might be a detractor going forward in terms of volume potential?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, thanks for the question. It's a great one. Honestly, I don't think they're mutually exclusive I think we can do both. We're pricing competitively, like I said, by charging the appropriate price, Given the service proposition we offer, we do work very closely with our strategic customers and suppliers to make sure we've got great programs in place where we all grow together and build our respective businesses in a way that will create value for the employees and other stakeholders and our stockholders.

Speaker 2

When we talk about pricing discipline and margin, for example, we're really talking about the capabilities to manage that pricing across all of our locations To make sure that the local transactions fall within our pricing guidelines and governance, we absolutely do not believe we're losing business we want Because of this pricing discipline, in fact, if you look at the Our volumes and how they trend with respect to construction activity in the context of permits, completions, starts, etcetera, Our declines are not as bad as market declines. In fact, they're much better. And Stated differently, we're trending favorably. So that therein, I mean in that statement suggests that We're not losing the business we don't want to lose. So I think we have figured out and look, there's always room for improvement, but I really believe that Our focus on commercial excellence, operational excellence, pricing and procurement excellence really puts us in a position to grow share In a way that's profitable, in good in a win win for our customers and our suppliers and ourselves.

Speaker 2

And look, If you look at our Q2 numbers, we underperformed in Q2, that's on me. Transition, got the eye off The ball underperformed in Q2, but in Q3, we got our act together and our teams executed successfully to make sure that we're both doing well Volume wise on a relative basis and while maintaining a discipline around pricing for the service we're actually providing.

Speaker 3

Got it.

Speaker 5

Okay. No, that's super helpful color. On the capital allocation front, I mean recognizing the desire to reinvest in the business, which You guys have a lot of capacity to do as well as grow the platform. I mean just with the opportunity set that you see out there, How do you kind of weigh M and A versus buying back your own stock at these levels just given kind of Where you're trading on a valuation basis?

Speaker 3

Yes, Kurt, it's a great question. I would say simply, when we look at Where our business is trending today, let's say, in trade on a multiple basis, And we think about our long term prospects, we feel really comfortable in terms of being able to buy back our shares at these levels. I mean, it's certainly sub A 5 times multiple. So we feel really good about that. And then in the context of M and A,

Speaker 1

It's frankly,

Speaker 3

it's hard to find deals that are trading in this sort of 5 times or even slightly below area. So I will say that it's not mutually exclusive because when we if we look at VANOMIR in terms of what we're able to do there in terms of centralized some of our processes And bring it into, I'd say, to the BlueLinx family, that's turned out to be a terrific deal for us, especially when you look on a synergized Basis, as we look back over the last year, now if we could find another VanderMeer, by all means, we would do that. But in the context of where the balance sheet sits today at 0.5 times, we feel really comfortable in terms of where the business has normalized because And we have visibility to year end. So we feel comfortable in terms of whether balance sheet will end at year end. We think it is appropriate Now for us to do this new authorization, because we don't need to have the leverage at 0.5 times.

Speaker 3

So, and we think it's appropriate Effectively considering how we're trading.

Speaker 2

And as it just to add on, as it relates to M and A, I mean, let me reiterate It is a core element of our growth strategy. In addition to making investments to grow the business organically, so there's opportunity out there. Though our initial excitement has been a little muted by the bid ask spreads, however, we're now seeing that bid ask spread start to compress, Which means the outlook for M and A remains strong in our view. The pipeline is robust. We'll continue to work it.

Speaker 2

The multiples are high, but Like I said, they're coming down. And once these 2023 numbers come in, I think there might be some opportunities that we can take advantage of. But like I said, and as we've alluded to, we will be very disciplined in the type of deal we do from a risk return standpoint, also the multiple we pay In light of the overall capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 5

Okay. Appreciate that. That's helpful. And then just lastly, in terms of opportunities in the next year, I'm curious whether from a Product category perspective and kind of expanding those geographically across more of the platform or Specific vendor relationships and any expansions there, are there any areas where you're particularly excited about in terms of the potential to Drive above market growth in 2024?

Speaker 2

Absolutely. And I wish I could talk about them now, but there There'll be announcements coming out that will support honestly the faith in our suppliers have in us and The great work our teams are doing to engender that faith and confidence in us, there's only so much I can do, right, Or anybody on the management team can do. It's really about those sales teams and the folks who support them on the product management side. So Yes, there are examples of expansions of our existing strategic product categories into new markets with Existing vendors, so and more to come on that front, but I am we are all very excited about the opportunities That will produce long term growth in those 5 key specialty product categories.

Speaker 5

Okay. Perfect. Well, we'll keep an eye out for that and appreciate the color guys and good luck here in Q4. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kurt.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Jeffrey Stevenson with Loop Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks for taking my questions today and congrats on the nice quarter.

Speaker 3

So I was wondering if you

Speaker 7

could talk How volumes trended during the quarter in your core 5 specialty product categories? And more specifically, Did you see any pickup in demand as the quarter progressed from the increase in single family housing starts this summer?

Speaker 2

Yes, we actually did from again if you're looking at Sort of Q3 relative to Q2, there was a through the course of the quarter, our specialty products Picked up in volumes. There was a decline with structural that we're seeing, as Andy alluded to earlier, a pickup in volumes in the 1st 4 weeks of Q4. But yes, like I said before, I really believe our product diversification allows us to play in every stage of the construction of a single family home and we started to see that flow through the P and L in Q3 With volumes picking up in each one of in our 5 key product categories, with at least 4 of them for sure. At the same time, as we think about the market trends, as I alluded to earlier, we are generally Trending favorably relative to the markets in which we operate in terms of volume. So we're getting we're just doing better relative to market.

Speaker 2

I think it's testament And the focus we have on these 5 key specialty product categories as opposed to 1 disproportionately relative to the other.

Speaker 3

But Jeff, maybe just a little bit more color. I mean, what I would say is, if we look at just a handful that were Pretty favorable from like a TLE perspective, from a volume perspective, it would have been EWP Millwork and Siding.

Speaker 7

Got it. Got it. No, that's very helpful color. I appreciate that. And then You guys had another strong quarter of specialty product margins and they continue to hold well above previous normalized levels in Challenging residential environment.

Speaker 7

Just wondered if the strong results this quarter and really how they've held in this year give you further confidence that Specialty margins were normalized at or above that 18% to 19% level?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think It seems to be the right range. As we've gone through sort of the 1st through 3rd quarters, we've gone from 18.8 to 19.8. I'd expect a little bit of softness here in the 4th quarters as our guidance was between 18% and 19%. But we think that margin profile has really Held in well, particularly as we sort of test what this new normalization looks like.

Speaker 3

And so I think the results sort of speak for themselves, at least for this year and feels like the right zip code.

Speaker 7

No, that makes sense. Then just lastly, thanks for the update on kind of why You have the new $100,000,000 share repurchase authorization that makes sense. But just kind of from your capital allocation standpoint, if there isn't The right acquisition, if you feel your shares are undervalued, will you kind of be aggressive in buying back stock? Or how are you thinking about it from The magnitude of share repurchases moving forward?

Speaker 3

Well, I think we have to put the $100,000,000 sort of in the context First of where we are and so it is call it between 15% to 17% of our market cap. So that's a meaningful amount. I think given market conditions, if they remained fairly decent and as we sit here today, I think it's Reasonable that authorization could be done as we go through the end of 2024. We have to get through the first one first before we talk about an additional one. So let's see how the market conditions go.

Speaker 3

But I'll tell you our intent Do that over this quarter and then through the course of next year. But we'll be looking at M and A as well. Mean, that's going to be an important focus for us as well. And so it will be a balance between the 2.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

As there are no

Speaker 1

Thanks, Ryan. Thank you again for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you in February as we share our Q4 and full year 2023 results.

Operator

Thank you. The conference of BlueLinx Holdings has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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BlueLinx Q3 2023
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