NASDAQ:BLTE Belite Bio Q3 2023 Earnings Report $56.40 -0.88 (-1.54%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$56.28 -0.12 (-0.21%) As of 04/17/2025 06:23 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Belite Bio EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.40Consensus EPS -$0.31Beat/MissMissed by -$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/ABelite Bio Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABelite Bio Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/13/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, November 14, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsBelite Bio's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Belite Bio Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 14, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and thank you for joining us to discuss Beelite's 3rd Quarter 2023 Financial Results. Joining the call is Doctor. Tom Lin, Chairman and CEO Doctor. Nathan Mata, Chief Scientific Officer and Hao Yuanzhong, Chief Financial Officer of Beelite Bio. Before we begin, let me point out that we will be making forward looking statements that are based on current expectations and beliefs. Operator00:00:25These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially. We encourage you to consult the risk factors discussed in our SEC filings for additional detail. Now, I'll turn the call over to Doctor. Lin. Speaker 100:00:42Thank you. Thank you for joining our reporting for the Q3. I'm Tom Lim, CEO of BeLiveBio. Joining me is our CSO, Nathan and CFO, HAL. I'd like to start off by giving an overview. Speaker 100:00:58So tadalabend is a normal once a day oral tablet designed to bind to serum retinal binding protein or known as RBP4 as a means to specifically reduce retinal delivery to the eye. This approach is intended to slow or stop the formation of the toxic retinal derived by products, which are generated in the visual cycle and are implicated in the progression of the Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy secondary to TriMD. We believe that early intervention directed at emerging retinal pathology, which is not mediated by inflammation will be the best approach to potentially slow disease progression in Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy. There is still a significant unmet need for both indications, as currently there is no approved treatments for Stargardt disease and there are currently no approved oral treatments for GA and we are already in global Phase III trials for both indications. So far, we have been granted Fast Track designation, rare pediatric disease designation and orphan drug designation. Speaker 100:02:13We have several patent families and with composition of meta patents lasting until 2,040 and with patent term extension and new patents to be filed, which we will have patent protection way past the 2040s. So we still have a very long patent life on this drug and we are already in late stage development. For Stargardt indication, the Phase 3 is already fully enrolled with estimated interim readouts by second half of twenty twenty four. We've also just recently presented positive 24 month treatment results from our Phase II, which Nathan will be presenting the results later on. For GA in dry MD indication, the Phase 3 is already in rote subjects. Speaker 100:03:00And with this, I would like to pass this on to our CSO to give an update on our clinical trials. Nathan? Speaker 200:03:06Thank you, Tom. So I'd like to start by giving you an overview of our clinical trial designs in Stargardt's disease. I'd like to first start, however, just to orient everyone that it's important to note that the reduction of atrophic lesion growth rate as measured by retinal imaging is the FDA accepted primary endpoint for both Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy. In Stargardt disease, the atrophic lesion is called a definitely decreased autofluorescence lesion, just keep that in mind, whereas in geographic atrophy, it's simply referred to as atrophic lesion growth, but it is essentially the same thing. Back to the Stargardt trial design, there are 2 trials that one we've recently completed and one that's ongoing as Tom mentioned. Speaker 200:03:44The one shown on the left hand side is our open label Phase 2 STARGART trial enrolling 13 adolescent subjects aged 12 to 18 years of age from Australia and Taiwan. This is a 2 year study looking primarily at safety and tolerability. We had identified the optimal dose in a previous Phase 1b, that optimal dose being 5 milligrams daily. And I'll show you some of the pharmacodynamic data from that dose. We're looking primarily in terms of efficacy at the atrophic lesion growth. Speaker 200:04:11But in Stargardt disease, we're also looking at a predecessor of the atrophic lesion growth, which is autofluorescence lesions that are referred to as questionably decreased autofluorescence or QDAF. In this Phase 2 study, the 13 subjects enrolling only started with this early lesion type. They did not have atrophic lesions. So we want to measure 2 things in this study. 1, the conversion time from the QDF lesion to the atrophic lesion, the DDF lesion. Speaker 200:04:38And then also, once the DDF lesion is formed, we want to measure the growth rate of that incident DDF lesion. I'll share some of that data with you in a moment. And you can see at the bottom there the key inclusion criteria, 12 to 18 years of age. These all of these subjects have been both clinically and molecularly confirmed as having Stargardt's disease. The other study that we're doing in Stargardt's disease is our pivotal Phase 3 study called Dragon. Speaker 200:05:00This study, as Tom mentioned, has just recently completed enrollment at 104 subjects. It's important to note that all of these subjects in the Phase 3 trial will have atrophic lesions at baseline because that's the only way that you can really measure the endpoint that is growth of atrophic lesion growth when you have it at baseline. So that's what we'll be doing in Phase III. This is a global study. That's the only way we could get 104 subjects. Speaker 200:05:23In fact, this is the largest study in STARS disease in adolescent patients ever conducted. You can see the randomization there is 2:one favoring telerabat. It is a 2 year study with the same efficacy endpoints that we're looking at in the Phase 2. We're also looking obviously at vision. We're looking at anatomic markers by spectral domain, opticalherence tomography, and we're looking at retinal sensitivity by microperimetry. Speaker 200:05:46At the very bottom there, you see the key inclusion criteria, very similar to the open label Phase 2, except we've expanded the age range another 2 years to go from 12 to 20 years of age. And we've also defined the upper size of the lesion at 7.62. So all of these subjects will have lesions that size or smaller and you see there the VCA vision requirement of 2,200 or better. With that, I'd like to next go to the next slide and talk to you about some of the pharmacodynamic data I just mentioned earlier. What you're seeing here is a pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic profile of 5 milligrams timlarevant in those adolescent Stargut subjects that were participating in the open label Phase 2. Speaker 200:06:26The blue line shows the level of timlarevant in blood and the red line shows our pharmacodynamic biomarker retinal binding protein 4. This is what the drug is hitting. And you can see here that there's a very nice correlation between the increase of tinglerabant in blood and the decrease of retinal binding protein 4 in blood until we withdraw the drug at month 24 and you see a very rapid reversibility over about 28 days of drug cessation. So we get about an 87% return that is of the baseline value at the end of study. But during study, we have approximately 80% reduction of retinal binding protein 4 in the blood. Speaker 200:07:02This is important to note because in a prior clinical study not conducted with teleravent, but a different RBV4 antagonist, we found that a dose of 70 sorry, a reduction of 70% or more of retinal binding protein 4 was effective to produce a slowing of lesion growth in patients with geographic atrophy. So this has become our target threshold for RBV4 reduction. We want to achieve at least a 70% reduction or more. And here with a 5 milligram daily dose, we're achieving a mean 80% reduction in all subjects that have been dosed. Next slide, please. Speaker 200:07:37I mentioned to you that in this open label Phase 2 of which you're looking at 24 month data at right now, these adolescent Stargardt subjects did not have atrophic lesions at baseline, only autofluorescence lesions. And we wanted to understand if we're actually having a treatment effect over 24 months of treatment. So what we did is we did a comparator study. We compared our data to data from the largest natural history study of Stargardt conducted to date. That study is known as PROGSTAR. Speaker 200:08:03It was conducted over several years involving 400 to 500 patients in these studies. Most of those subjects were adult Stargardt subjects. However, there was a subpopulation within that larger group of about 50 subjects that had the exact same baseline characteristics as our subjects in the open label Phase 2. That is they were 18 years or younger and they had no atrophic lesions at baseline. So this subgroup serves as a nice apples to apples comparison for our analyses. Speaker 200:08:31And you're looking at them here on the left hand side. What you're looking at is the growth of incident atrophic retinal lesions over the course of 24 months in each group. The progstar group is shown in blue and our group in telerabat treatment is shown in red. So neither group had atrophic lesions. So we're measuring the time to the incident lesion growth and then we're measuring the growth of the incident atrophic lesion over time. Speaker 200:08:55And you can see that at every time point from 6 to 24 months, we consistently have a lower reduction sorry, a lower DDS lesion growth compared to PROGSTAR, such that by the end of this trial at 24 months, we have a highly statistically difference between Prognstar growth and our growth that is our lesion growth being about 50% lower than what was published in the Progstar studies. This is phenomenal. In fact, it's never been reported before. The other important aspect of this study is among the subjects that we hadn't studied. 5 of them did not convert to any atrophic lesion. Speaker 200:09:29And that again is another important finding because it suggests that our drug is slowing the conversion of the early lesion type, the autofluorescence lesion type to the atrophic lesion type. That's the first observation. The second observation being once those incident lesions are formed, we have a slowing of the growth rate of those lesions compared to natural history. So it's important to note that this phenomenon, this what we're seeing, the slowing of lesion growth is statistically significant at every time point that we've measured. And in fact, as I said before, has really never been demonstrated in another interventional treatment trial of Adelis and Stargardt patients. Speaker 200:10:03Next slide, please. So now I'd like to show you our 24 month visual acuity data. What you're looking at is the visual acuity data from both the study eye, which is designated at baseline and the fellow eye. This disease is a bilateral disease, so the disease will affect both eyes equally and our drug, of course, is systemic, so it will affect both eyes equally. But what we're showing you here is both eyes just to show you over time we're getting stabilization in each of the of each eye of each patient over 24 months. Speaker 200:10:30This is significant because although this study was not powered for treatment efficacy against vision, it is important to see stabilization over 24 months because these subjects will in fact lose vision annually over time. So the fact that we're slowing lesion growth and also stabilizing vision is a very important finding. The other point I want to make is that visual acuity losses or gain within 10 letters is not considered clinically significant. So what we have here really is potential test retest variability affecting these data. So until you get outside of 10 letters, there really is nothing clinically significant to say about the data. Speaker 200:11:05But it's important to note that there is stabilization while we are in fact slowing lesion growth as I've showed you in the previous slide. Next slide, please. Now I'd like to show you the drug related adverse events. It's important to note that although this is a systemic drug, there have been no clinically significant findings in relation of vital signs, physical exams, cardiac health or organ function. What we see are 2 anticipated ocular drug related AEs that we would like to see because they're telling us we're having the intended biological effect on the retina. Speaker 200:11:37The first is a form of chromatopsia called xanthopsia. This is mediated by cone photoreceptors. This is a photoreceptor subtype in your retina, which confers bright light and color vision. So when subjects under our treatment transition suddenly from a very darkened environment to a bright environment, this activates cone photoreceptors. Cone photoreceptors will demand chromophore under our treatment regimen. Speaker 200:12:00That chromophore will only be slowly supplied to the cone photoreceptors. So there'll be a delay in their timing to attain maximum bright light sensitivity. During that time, there will be an artificial and electrical produced hue of color in the visual field, in this case, yellow. It can last seconds to sometimes a few minutes. It's important to note that these subjects are reporting as mild and of course, it's transient. Speaker 200:12:23The majority of subjects have encountered this AE, 10 of 13, but no one has left study because of them. The other manifestation is called delayed dark adaptation and this is mediated by another photoreceptor cell type called the rod photoreceptor, which confers dim light vision. So when subjects under our treatment transition suddenly from a very bright light to a very darkened environment that activates rod photoreceptors, They will also demand chromophore to maintain dim light sensitivity under our treatment regimen that chromophore will be slowly supplied. So there will be a period during which subjects will not have maximum dim light sensitivity. They will eventually gain it. Speaker 200:13:02It's somewhere between 8 to perhaps 15 minutes delay, but it will be attained. This is not night blindness. And once again, you can see a high number of subjects having this AE, but nobody leaving study because of it, because again, it is mild, it is transient and of course it's fully reversible. So we believe this drug 5 milligrams daily is effective to achieve what we want in the retina with these very mild and well tolerated AEs. It's also important to note that in our treatment overall, this has been very well tolerated. Speaker 200:13:34Again, no systemic AEs and only ocular drug related AEs, which we need to see as they are intended to have this effect on the retina. Next slide. I'll now show you our trial design for geographic atrophy. This is a Phase 3 trial design. It's going to look very similar to our Phase 3 trial in Stargardt disease with 2 important exceptions, the indication geographic atrophy instead of Stargardt disease and the number of patients 430 to reflect the higher prevalence of GA in the population. Speaker 200:14:04Of course, it will be a global study, same randomization scheme as in the Phase 3 STARGR trial, 2 to 1 favoring telerabat, 2 years in duration. We're are going to be looking at the same efficacy measures. Of course, here we are looking at atrophic lesion growth. It is the same as DDAF, but just named differently, but it is the same phenomenon. And of course, we're looking at visual acuity outcomes, anatomical outcomes by SDOCT and retinal sensitivity by microperometry. Speaker 200:14:28And there will be an interim analysis at 1 year as there was in the Phase 3 as there will be in the Phase 3 Stargardt trial. Next slide? With that, I'd now like to throw it back to Hao Yan, so he can discuss the Q3 2023 financial results. Thank you. Speaker 300:14:45Thank you, Nathan. So in Q3, we had RMB8.7 million expenses increased from RMB1.2 million for the same period last year. The increase result primarily from increase in expenses for conducting the Dragon and the Phoenix study and also the wages and salaries due to share based compensation went into our R and D team in Q3. We had higher expenses this quarter because we met several development milestone on both Dragon and PHOENIX studies, such as the completion of the enrollment for Dragon and the first patient in for PHOENIX. On the G and A expenses, we had CNY2.2 million G and A expenses compared to CNY1.4 million for the same period last year. Speaker 300:15:32The increase again is is primarily from an increase in the share based compensation granted in Q3. On net loss, we had a net loss of RMB10.9 million compared to RMB2.4 million for the same period last year. In terms of cash, we received RMB6.5 million cash inflow from warrant exercises, from ATM offering and R and D refund, With approximately RMB9.4 million cash outflow, our net cash outflow in Q3 is around RMB2.9 million, leaving us with RMB54.5 million cash by end of Q3. Thank you. Back to you, Tom. Speaker 100:16:15Thanks. So I would like to conclude with the key milestones that we have achieved this year. In Q1, we've initiated our Phase 3 study in geographic atrophy secondary to dry MD. In Q3, we completed the enrollment for the Phase 3 study in Starless disease. We also just recently completed our Phase 2 study in STARREST disease and presented very promising and positive results at AAO last week. Speaker 100:16:45And finally, we are expecting interim results from our Phase III Stargardt trial in the second half of twenty twenty four. Thank you. Speaker 300:17:22So we will start to take questions. For anyone who has questions, please raise your hand. I got Jennifer Kim from Cantor. Operator, please unmute Jennifer. Speaker 400:17:48Hi, can you hear me? Speaker 300:17:49Yes. Yes, we can hear you. Thank you. Speaker 400:17:51Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the progress this quarter. I have a few questions. The first is, is there anything you can say in terms of the number of patients you've enrolled so far in Phoenix and how many clinical sites are up and running? And then my second question is more of an OpEx question. Speaker 400:18:11The higher R and D expenses, how much of that was due to the development milestones and aren't expected to repeat in future quarters? And similar on the GA side, is the $2,200,000 a fair way to think about as a base going forward? Thanks. Speaker 100:18:33Nathan, you want to take the first question? Speaker 200:18:34Yes, I can handle the clinical trial question. So Jennifer, in the Phase 3 Stargardt study, we've enrolled 104 subjects. We have some baseline demographic data from those subjects that shows actually very favorable balance in terms of the prognostic factors that would be predictive of disease. So for instance, a full view involvement, 98% of our subjects are fully involved. BCVA, all the subjects have similar BCVA. Speaker 200:18:58They all have similar lesion size, which is a smaller lesion size. It's exactly what we are going for because it gives us an opportunity to interrogate this whole early differentiator, which is what we believe our drug will be able to do. So with these smaller lesions, Foley involvement, these two things alone allow us to test this idea about early intervention as well as potential visual acuity benefit because these lesions are encroaching to the fovea. These kids will be losing vision over 2 years. So I think everything is turning out very well in terms of the baseline value in terms of the baseline demographics for this Phase 3 STAGARD study. Speaker 200:19:33Your other two questions were largely financial. So I'll throw those to Hao Yan. Speaker 400:19:38Actually, I think I was asking the PHOENIX trial on the GAA side, how enrollment is going there? Speaker 200:19:45Sorry, yes. So we've just begun enrollment. I think we've got up to 6, maybe 7 subjects now. We've only been added a couple of months. So we're really just starting to ramp up that recruitment effort. Speaker 200:19:53Again, we're going after 430 subjects. So we predict probably another year to maybe 14 months to complete that enrollment. And again, we're really just beginning in the early phases of that enrollment effort. Speaker 300:20:13Yes. So about the R and D questions. So for this quarter, because of the milestone was hit, I think we paid about $2,000,000 for the Dragon study. And also for the PHOENIX, I think about $1,900,000 for the 1st patient screened and dosed. So we don't really expect this high expenses moving forward. Speaker 300:20:46As you guys may recall, we had much lower Q2 expenses because we have over signed up on the DRAGEN study. We wanted to enroll only 90, But before we closed the enrollment, there was already 104 subjects signed up. And we had to wait for the last one to be scheduled for dosing. That's why we had to delay the milestone for being fully enrolled from Q2 to Q3. That's why the Q2 expenses was much lower than what we expected because you didn't have the milestone. Speaker 300:21:26And for the Q3, it does. And the Q3, you have the Dragon fully enrollment milestone hit. You got progress of the Dragon study milestone hit as well. And also you have the PHOENIX first patient dose milestone hit as well. So that's why you see a much higher Q3 expenses. Speaker 300:21:48But moving forward, it probably will go down to pretty less than $2,000,000 I mean, have $2,000,000 lower given we don't have those milestone for the Dragon to continue in the following quarters. Speaker 400:22:10And then on the GA side? Speaker 300:22:13On the GA side, we don't really know at the moment to give a very accurate expenses forecast because it will highly depends on the progress of the sites and the screening. And because the cost will also highly depends on the progress on that. So we kind of can have like a full year idea. But for quarter by quarter, we probably will have to wait and see the sites just up and running for a bit to be able to know like how fast the IRB approved, the contract, the study and also how fast the PI can call back their patients. For now, what we have is like how many patients they have. Speaker 300:23:01But until they not until they actually call the patient to schedule a visit, we wouldn't really know how fast those patients will be able to come in. Sometimes you have many patients, they all want to come in the same week, but there's just not enough manpower to handle so many patients and they will have to reschedule those patients. I think I will have a better idea probably in Q1 next year once we have more sites up and running. Thank you. I have next questions from Mark from Leerink. Speaker 500:23:44Hi. Can you hear me? Speaker 300:23:46Yes. Speaker 500:23:46Hi. This is Basma on for Mark. We have questions about whether you guys are going to release more analysis or detailed analysis of the Phase II data with related to the genotype and the phenotype of the patients. Operator00:24:03What I Speaker 500:24:03mean is unifocal, multi focal and the different mutations of the patients that were enrolled in the Phase II? And how are you going to regarding the Phase III, which is Dragon, are you trying to match some of the baseline characteristics when it comes to phenotype and genotype to the Phase II or is it a little bit different? Speaker 200:24:26Yes. So, Bahama, let me take that question. So regarding the Phase 2 data, will we be providing additional data analysis? The answer is yes. So I'm actually presently preparing an abstract for ARVO 2024 that meets in Seattle in May to talk exactly that to provide those genotypic data because we are very surprised to see no DDS lesion growth in 5 of 12 subjects throughout 2 years of treatment. Speaker 200:24:53And we thought maybe it's possible that these kids have more mild mutations. In fact, that's not the case. They all have very severe mutations. So the finding that they're not converting from the early autofluorescence lesion type to the atrophic lesion type is actually very profound. So we're providing both the genotypic and phenotypic data and a better breakdown of the lesion growth on a subject level basis. Speaker 200:25:14So that will be provided at ARVO. In terms of paralleling the Phase II and Phase III trial designs, the study designs themselves are essentially identical. That is, it's a 2 year study looking at the same endpoint with the same dose 5 milligrams daily and of course it's the same patient population. We've increased the age range from 18 to 20. So in the Phase 2, was 12 to 18 and the Phase 3 will be 12 to 20. Speaker 200:25:37And that was at the behest of principal investigators who were wanting to get their patients in. But other than that, there's no real difference other than this main difference, which is in the Phase 3, these kids will have to have atrophic lesions at baseline. That's necessary in order to meet the requirement for the endpoint, which is slowing the growth of atrophic lesions. That is what the FDA wants. So you have to start with some measure of atrophic lesions at baseline, whereas in the Phase 2, the open label study, all of these children, these kids had earlier lesions. Speaker 200:26:09They only had the autofluorescent lesion types. And so that's really the big difference between the Phase II and the Phase III. And of course, we're not trying to match the genotypic profiling that we saw in Phase 2 with what we're seeing in Phase 3. We're basically taking all comers as long as they fit our inclusion exclusion criteria without respect to genotype. Speaker 500:26:29Got it. Thank you so much, Jason. Speaker 200:26:32Thank you for the question. Speaker 300:26:36Next questions, we got Yi Chen, 5,7, right? Speaker 600:26:44Thank you for taking my questions. My first question is, is it so that in the DRAGEN trial, the lesion size baseline is smaller than the baseline in the Phase II? And how is that going to impact the data readout? Speaker 200:27:02Yes. So it's important to note, as I mentioned earlier, in Phase II, we don't have any atrophic lesions at baseline. So these patients only had autofluorescence lesions and they were varied sizes. One patient has a lesion as low as as small as a 1 millimeter. Another patient has autofluorescence lesion as big as 11 millimeters. Speaker 200:27:20So there's a very big size range in the autofluorescence lesion types and of course we'll be presenting that as part of the ARVO abstract and presentation that I spoke earlier about tepodma. In terms of the balancing in the Phase 3, the lesion type as I mentioned earlier is actually quite small, which is what we want. So we look at the mean lesion type at baseline in the Phase 3 trial and we see an atrophic lesion mean size of 2 millimeters square, which is great. So when you're asking are the lesion sizes different between 2 studies, yes, because the lesion types are different between the two studies. But in this Phase 3 trial, we have exactly what we are shooting for. Speaker 200:27:58We want to start with smaller lesions at baseline and quite honestly the smallest detectable lesion is about 0.05 millimeter. We are at 2 millimeter and we believe based upon some other trial results from other companies that these smaller lesion types will respond to this type of pharmacotherapy. So that was sort of a long winded way of answering your question, but I hope I got to the answer for you. Speaker 600:28:19Thank you. But the lesion size at line in the Dragon trial, is that representative of the overall patient population in the real world? Speaker 200:28:28Very tough to say. So remember, we have 104 adolescent Stargardt subjects from all over the globe, China, Europe, North America and other countries. So this is a good representative sampling of all the genotypes and phenotypes that are manifest in adolescent Stargardt disease. This is the largest study of its type, it's never been done before. So if there's any true sort of homogeneity of the demographics, this study would tell you what it is. Speaker 200:28:55There's no other study that we can look to and say, well, we want to match that demographic because that fits best our patient population. No one's ever done a long term epidemiological study or natural history study in just Stargardt disease with the exception of ProgStar where they have a subset of patients that are of the same baseline that is the same age and lesion characteristics as our patients in the Phase 2. But in terms of an atrophic lesion type that it would be representative of the Stargardt population, I would say we have it because again this is the largest collection of adolescent Stargardt subjects in any investigational trial that I'm aware of. Speaker 100:29:36So, Yi, may I add that for in fact all studies right now to date, most of those patients came from North America and Europe. Same goes for observational studies such as PROGSTOP. They are mainly patients from North America and Europe. So what's been reported out there and published out there, it's all similar genotypes, I believe. Speaker 600:30:06Thank you. And how much slowing of the lesion growth rate in the Dragon trial will allow the company to ask for accelerated approval from the FDA? Speaker 100:30:19I can take that. So you want to take that? Speaker 200:30:22No, no, Tom, please. Speaker 100:30:24Yes. So we had discussions with FDA regarding this. I think at this moment, the FDA as Nathan mentioned, this is the first ever study, especially in pediatric opioid or adolescent SARS disease. So the FDA right now just asked us to show them the data. So right now, they have not given too much away. Speaker 100:30:48So I guess that's the standard response from the FDA. So they want to see the data first. Speaker 600:30:54Got it. And my last question is, if the PHOENIX trial has data similar to what has been observed from the Phase 2 Stargardt trial or the later drug and trial. How competitive do you think tilaraben is compared to drugs already approved for dry NDA? Speaker 100:31:15Nathan, you want to take this? I think you're smiling. Speaker 200:31:18Yes, absolutely. I think it's going to be a game changer Yi. I mean, so if we look at the approved drugs for GA right now, you're not getting anything better than about a 20% treatment effect on slowing lesion growth and you're not getting much of a visual acuity benefit and you have a significant safety risk. With an oral therapeutic that achieves same level of efficacy that is a 20% slowing of lesion growth with a very clean systemic safety profile and no potential for adverse ocular ease that would be permanent such as the occlusive retinal vasculitis has been documented in rare cases with the Apellis drug. When you have that and you're reducing the treatment burden so significantly with an oral once a day, I think patients will flock to this oral once a day treatment because it's going to be superior in terms of benefit to the patient in terms of reducing treatment burden and reducing any potential risk to their ocular health and safety. Speaker 200:32:11So that's the one thing. The other thing is that these drugs, the complement inhibitors that have been approved, the Apellis drug, the Ivera drug, these are anti inflammatory agents. So they address late stage disease, which is driven by inflammation. They will not those drugs would not be effective in early stage disease, which is one of our differentiators because there's no inflammation in early stage GA or early stage Stargardt. So we see there another potential market opportunity for us because they cannot use their drug effectively in our subjects. Speaker 200:32:41However, our drug can be used effectively both in the younger population as well as the late onset as sort of a maintenance therapy. So I see more of a synergy than I do a competitiveness. But in terms of what would be preferred, I think if we achieve the same level of treatment effect with this very clean safety profile, our drug would certainly be preferred by most GA subjects patients. Speaker 100:33:04Thank you very much. And I think there's a survey done with 3,000 ophthalmologists. And I think over 80%, they say that they would have prescribed the beta complement injections for the patients. So it's very overwhelming and surprising that even the drugs approved for GA, most ophthalmologists still wouldn't prescribe it. Speaker 300:33:41We also have Bruce from Benchmark. Speaker 700:33:48Hi, good afternoon and thank you for the informative presentation. Just one quick financial question, if I may. The non cash expenses for the quarter, do you have an estimate of the D and A and the stock comp? Speaker 300:34:04Sorry, say again? The Speaker 700:34:07non cash expenses for the quarter. Speaker 300:34:11Right. That's mainly for the ESOP that we grant in Q3. Speaker 700:34:16Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thank you. Speaker 300:34:21Thank you. Well, Bruce, thank you for asking that question. Yes, we actually even if you look at the income statement, it looks like we have much higher expenses this quarter. But cash wise, it's about, I think, dollars 2,000,000 is about the non cash component coming from the ESOP that we grant in that quarter. And also, we do have we haven't seen more and more people exercising their warrants from the follow on. Speaker 300:34:53So we did raise the $5,000,000 from the warrants in this quarter. So in fact, our net cash outflow in Q3 was only, I think, close to RMB3 1,000,000. So it's not that significant. Financially, cash wise, we're doing pretty well. Okay. Speaker 300:35:16If anyone has any questions, please raise your hand. I don't have any written question on the platform here. Okay. So if no other questions, we'll conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your time.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBelite Bio Q3 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K) Belite Bio Earnings HeadlinesFY2028 EPS Estimates for Belite Bio Decreased by AnalystApril 18 at 3:33 AM | americanbankingnews.comBelite Bio, Inc. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and thank you for joining us to discuss Beelite's 3rd Quarter 2023 Financial Results. Joining the call is Doctor. Tom Lin, Chairman and CEO Doctor. Nathan Mata, Chief Scientific Officer and Hao Yuanzhong, Chief Financial Officer of Beelite Bio. Before we begin, let me point out that we will be making forward looking statements that are based on current expectations and beliefs. Operator00:00:25These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially. We encourage you to consult the risk factors discussed in our SEC filings for additional detail. Now, I'll turn the call over to Doctor. Lin. Speaker 100:00:42Thank you. Thank you for joining our reporting for the Q3. I'm Tom Lim, CEO of BeLiveBio. Joining me is our CSO, Nathan and CFO, HAL. I'd like to start off by giving an overview. Speaker 100:00:58So tadalabend is a normal once a day oral tablet designed to bind to serum retinal binding protein or known as RBP4 as a means to specifically reduce retinal delivery to the eye. This approach is intended to slow or stop the formation of the toxic retinal derived by products, which are generated in the visual cycle and are implicated in the progression of the Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy secondary to TriMD. We believe that early intervention directed at emerging retinal pathology, which is not mediated by inflammation will be the best approach to potentially slow disease progression in Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy. There is still a significant unmet need for both indications, as currently there is no approved treatments for Stargardt disease and there are currently no approved oral treatments for GA and we are already in global Phase III trials for both indications. So far, we have been granted Fast Track designation, rare pediatric disease designation and orphan drug designation. Speaker 100:02:13We have several patent families and with composition of meta patents lasting until 2,040 and with patent term extension and new patents to be filed, which we will have patent protection way past the 2040s. So we still have a very long patent life on this drug and we are already in late stage development. For Stargardt indication, the Phase 3 is already fully enrolled with estimated interim readouts by second half of twenty twenty four. We've also just recently presented positive 24 month treatment results from our Phase II, which Nathan will be presenting the results later on. For GA in dry MD indication, the Phase 3 is already in rote subjects. Speaker 100:03:00And with this, I would like to pass this on to our CSO to give an update on our clinical trials. Nathan? Speaker 200:03:06Thank you, Tom. So I'd like to start by giving you an overview of our clinical trial designs in Stargardt's disease. I'd like to first start, however, just to orient everyone that it's important to note that the reduction of atrophic lesion growth rate as measured by retinal imaging is the FDA accepted primary endpoint for both Stargardt disease and geographic atrophy. In Stargardt disease, the atrophic lesion is called a definitely decreased autofluorescence lesion, just keep that in mind, whereas in geographic atrophy, it's simply referred to as atrophic lesion growth, but it is essentially the same thing. Back to the Stargardt trial design, there are 2 trials that one we've recently completed and one that's ongoing as Tom mentioned. Speaker 200:03:44The one shown on the left hand side is our open label Phase 2 STARGART trial enrolling 13 adolescent subjects aged 12 to 18 years of age from Australia and Taiwan. This is a 2 year study looking primarily at safety and tolerability. We had identified the optimal dose in a previous Phase 1b, that optimal dose being 5 milligrams daily. And I'll show you some of the pharmacodynamic data from that dose. We're looking primarily in terms of efficacy at the atrophic lesion growth. Speaker 200:04:11But in Stargardt disease, we're also looking at a predecessor of the atrophic lesion growth, which is autofluorescence lesions that are referred to as questionably decreased autofluorescence or QDAF. In this Phase 2 study, the 13 subjects enrolling only started with this early lesion type. They did not have atrophic lesions. So we want to measure 2 things in this study. 1, the conversion time from the QDF lesion to the atrophic lesion, the DDF lesion. Speaker 200:04:38And then also, once the DDF lesion is formed, we want to measure the growth rate of that incident DDF lesion. I'll share some of that data with you in a moment. And you can see at the bottom there the key inclusion criteria, 12 to 18 years of age. These all of these subjects have been both clinically and molecularly confirmed as having Stargardt's disease. The other study that we're doing in Stargardt's disease is our pivotal Phase 3 study called Dragon. Speaker 200:05:00This study, as Tom mentioned, has just recently completed enrollment at 104 subjects. It's important to note that all of these subjects in the Phase 3 trial will have atrophic lesions at baseline because that's the only way that you can really measure the endpoint that is growth of atrophic lesion growth when you have it at baseline. So that's what we'll be doing in Phase III. This is a global study. That's the only way we could get 104 subjects. Speaker 200:05:23In fact, this is the largest study in STARS disease in adolescent patients ever conducted. You can see the randomization there is 2:one favoring telerabat. It is a 2 year study with the same efficacy endpoints that we're looking at in the Phase 2. We're also looking obviously at vision. We're looking at anatomic markers by spectral domain, opticalherence tomography, and we're looking at retinal sensitivity by microperimetry. Speaker 200:05:46At the very bottom there, you see the key inclusion criteria, very similar to the open label Phase 2, except we've expanded the age range another 2 years to go from 12 to 20 years of age. And we've also defined the upper size of the lesion at 7.62. So all of these subjects will have lesions that size or smaller and you see there the VCA vision requirement of 2,200 or better. With that, I'd like to next go to the next slide and talk to you about some of the pharmacodynamic data I just mentioned earlier. What you're seeing here is a pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic profile of 5 milligrams timlarevant in those adolescent Stargut subjects that were participating in the open label Phase 2. Speaker 200:06:26The blue line shows the level of timlarevant in blood and the red line shows our pharmacodynamic biomarker retinal binding protein 4. This is what the drug is hitting. And you can see here that there's a very nice correlation between the increase of tinglerabant in blood and the decrease of retinal binding protein 4 in blood until we withdraw the drug at month 24 and you see a very rapid reversibility over about 28 days of drug cessation. So we get about an 87% return that is of the baseline value at the end of study. But during study, we have approximately 80% reduction of retinal binding protein 4 in the blood. Speaker 200:07:02This is important to note because in a prior clinical study not conducted with teleravent, but a different RBV4 antagonist, we found that a dose of 70 sorry, a reduction of 70% or more of retinal binding protein 4 was effective to produce a slowing of lesion growth in patients with geographic atrophy. So this has become our target threshold for RBV4 reduction. We want to achieve at least a 70% reduction or more. And here with a 5 milligram daily dose, we're achieving a mean 80% reduction in all subjects that have been dosed. Next slide, please. Speaker 200:07:37I mentioned to you that in this open label Phase 2 of which you're looking at 24 month data at right now, these adolescent Stargardt subjects did not have atrophic lesions at baseline, only autofluorescence lesions. And we wanted to understand if we're actually having a treatment effect over 24 months of treatment. So what we did is we did a comparator study. We compared our data to data from the largest natural history study of Stargardt conducted to date. That study is known as PROGSTAR. Speaker 200:08:03It was conducted over several years involving 400 to 500 patients in these studies. Most of those subjects were adult Stargardt subjects. However, there was a subpopulation within that larger group of about 50 subjects that had the exact same baseline characteristics as our subjects in the open label Phase 2. That is they were 18 years or younger and they had no atrophic lesions at baseline. So this subgroup serves as a nice apples to apples comparison for our analyses. Speaker 200:08:31And you're looking at them here on the left hand side. What you're looking at is the growth of incident atrophic retinal lesions over the course of 24 months in each group. The progstar group is shown in blue and our group in telerabat treatment is shown in red. So neither group had atrophic lesions. So we're measuring the time to the incident lesion growth and then we're measuring the growth of the incident atrophic lesion over time. Speaker 200:08:55And you can see that at every time point from 6 to 24 months, we consistently have a lower reduction sorry, a lower DDS lesion growth compared to PROGSTAR, such that by the end of this trial at 24 months, we have a highly statistically difference between Prognstar growth and our growth that is our lesion growth being about 50% lower than what was published in the Progstar studies. This is phenomenal. In fact, it's never been reported before. The other important aspect of this study is among the subjects that we hadn't studied. 5 of them did not convert to any atrophic lesion. Speaker 200:09:29And that again is another important finding because it suggests that our drug is slowing the conversion of the early lesion type, the autofluorescence lesion type to the atrophic lesion type. That's the first observation. The second observation being once those incident lesions are formed, we have a slowing of the growth rate of those lesions compared to natural history. So it's important to note that this phenomenon, this what we're seeing, the slowing of lesion growth is statistically significant at every time point that we've measured. And in fact, as I said before, has really never been demonstrated in another interventional treatment trial of Adelis and Stargardt patients. Speaker 200:10:03Next slide, please. So now I'd like to show you our 24 month visual acuity data. What you're looking at is the visual acuity data from both the study eye, which is designated at baseline and the fellow eye. This disease is a bilateral disease, so the disease will affect both eyes equally and our drug, of course, is systemic, so it will affect both eyes equally. But what we're showing you here is both eyes just to show you over time we're getting stabilization in each of the of each eye of each patient over 24 months. Speaker 200:10:30This is significant because although this study was not powered for treatment efficacy against vision, it is important to see stabilization over 24 months because these subjects will in fact lose vision annually over time. So the fact that we're slowing lesion growth and also stabilizing vision is a very important finding. The other point I want to make is that visual acuity losses or gain within 10 letters is not considered clinically significant. So what we have here really is potential test retest variability affecting these data. So until you get outside of 10 letters, there really is nothing clinically significant to say about the data. Speaker 200:11:05But it's important to note that there is stabilization while we are in fact slowing lesion growth as I've showed you in the previous slide. Next slide, please. Now I'd like to show you the drug related adverse events. It's important to note that although this is a systemic drug, there have been no clinically significant findings in relation of vital signs, physical exams, cardiac health or organ function. What we see are 2 anticipated ocular drug related AEs that we would like to see because they're telling us we're having the intended biological effect on the retina. Speaker 200:11:37The first is a form of chromatopsia called xanthopsia. This is mediated by cone photoreceptors. This is a photoreceptor subtype in your retina, which confers bright light and color vision. So when subjects under our treatment transition suddenly from a very darkened environment to a bright environment, this activates cone photoreceptors. Cone photoreceptors will demand chromophore under our treatment regimen. Speaker 200:12:00That chromophore will only be slowly supplied to the cone photoreceptors. So there'll be a delay in their timing to attain maximum bright light sensitivity. During that time, there will be an artificial and electrical produced hue of color in the visual field, in this case, yellow. It can last seconds to sometimes a few minutes. It's important to note that these subjects are reporting as mild and of course, it's transient. Speaker 200:12:23The majority of subjects have encountered this AE, 10 of 13, but no one has left study because of them. The other manifestation is called delayed dark adaptation and this is mediated by another photoreceptor cell type called the rod photoreceptor, which confers dim light vision. So when subjects under our treatment transition suddenly from a very bright light to a very darkened environment that activates rod photoreceptors, They will also demand chromophore to maintain dim light sensitivity under our treatment regimen that chromophore will be slowly supplied. So there will be a period during which subjects will not have maximum dim light sensitivity. They will eventually gain it. Speaker 200:13:02It's somewhere between 8 to perhaps 15 minutes delay, but it will be attained. This is not night blindness. And once again, you can see a high number of subjects having this AE, but nobody leaving study because of it, because again, it is mild, it is transient and of course it's fully reversible. So we believe this drug 5 milligrams daily is effective to achieve what we want in the retina with these very mild and well tolerated AEs. It's also important to note that in our treatment overall, this has been very well tolerated. Speaker 200:13:34Again, no systemic AEs and only ocular drug related AEs, which we need to see as they are intended to have this effect on the retina. Next slide. I'll now show you our trial design for geographic atrophy. This is a Phase 3 trial design. It's going to look very similar to our Phase 3 trial in Stargardt disease with 2 important exceptions, the indication geographic atrophy instead of Stargardt disease and the number of patients 430 to reflect the higher prevalence of GA in the population. Speaker 200:14:04Of course, it will be a global study, same randomization scheme as in the Phase 3 STARGR trial, 2 to 1 favoring telerabat, 2 years in duration. We're are going to be looking at the same efficacy measures. Of course, here we are looking at atrophic lesion growth. It is the same as DDAF, but just named differently, but it is the same phenomenon. And of course, we're looking at visual acuity outcomes, anatomical outcomes by SDOCT and retinal sensitivity by microperometry. Speaker 200:14:28And there will be an interim analysis at 1 year as there was in the Phase 3 as there will be in the Phase 3 Stargardt trial. Next slide? With that, I'd now like to throw it back to Hao Yan, so he can discuss the Q3 2023 financial results. Thank you. Speaker 300:14:45Thank you, Nathan. So in Q3, we had RMB8.7 million expenses increased from RMB1.2 million for the same period last year. The increase result primarily from increase in expenses for conducting the Dragon and the Phoenix study and also the wages and salaries due to share based compensation went into our R and D team in Q3. We had higher expenses this quarter because we met several development milestone on both Dragon and PHOENIX studies, such as the completion of the enrollment for Dragon and the first patient in for PHOENIX. On the G and A expenses, we had CNY2.2 million G and A expenses compared to CNY1.4 million for the same period last year. Speaker 300:15:32The increase again is is primarily from an increase in the share based compensation granted in Q3. On net loss, we had a net loss of RMB10.9 million compared to RMB2.4 million for the same period last year. In terms of cash, we received RMB6.5 million cash inflow from warrant exercises, from ATM offering and R and D refund, With approximately RMB9.4 million cash outflow, our net cash outflow in Q3 is around RMB2.9 million, leaving us with RMB54.5 million cash by end of Q3. Thank you. Back to you, Tom. Speaker 100:16:15Thanks. So I would like to conclude with the key milestones that we have achieved this year. In Q1, we've initiated our Phase 3 study in geographic atrophy secondary to dry MD. In Q3, we completed the enrollment for the Phase 3 study in Starless disease. We also just recently completed our Phase 2 study in STARREST disease and presented very promising and positive results at AAO last week. Speaker 100:16:45And finally, we are expecting interim results from our Phase III Stargardt trial in the second half of twenty twenty four. Thank you. Speaker 300:17:22So we will start to take questions. For anyone who has questions, please raise your hand. I got Jennifer Kim from Cantor. Operator, please unmute Jennifer. Speaker 400:17:48Hi, can you hear me? Speaker 300:17:49Yes. Yes, we can hear you. Thank you. Speaker 400:17:51Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the progress this quarter. I have a few questions. The first is, is there anything you can say in terms of the number of patients you've enrolled so far in Phoenix and how many clinical sites are up and running? And then my second question is more of an OpEx question. Speaker 400:18:11The higher R and D expenses, how much of that was due to the development milestones and aren't expected to repeat in future quarters? And similar on the GA side, is the $2,200,000 a fair way to think about as a base going forward? Thanks. Speaker 100:18:33Nathan, you want to take the first question? Speaker 200:18:34Yes, I can handle the clinical trial question. So Jennifer, in the Phase 3 Stargardt study, we've enrolled 104 subjects. We have some baseline demographic data from those subjects that shows actually very favorable balance in terms of the prognostic factors that would be predictive of disease. So for instance, a full view involvement, 98% of our subjects are fully involved. BCVA, all the subjects have similar BCVA. Speaker 200:18:58They all have similar lesion size, which is a smaller lesion size. It's exactly what we are going for because it gives us an opportunity to interrogate this whole early differentiator, which is what we believe our drug will be able to do. So with these smaller lesions, Foley involvement, these two things alone allow us to test this idea about early intervention as well as potential visual acuity benefit because these lesions are encroaching to the fovea. These kids will be losing vision over 2 years. So I think everything is turning out very well in terms of the baseline value in terms of the baseline demographics for this Phase 3 STAGARD study. Speaker 200:19:33Your other two questions were largely financial. So I'll throw those to Hao Yan. Speaker 400:19:38Actually, I think I was asking the PHOENIX trial on the GAA side, how enrollment is going there? Speaker 200:19:45Sorry, yes. So we've just begun enrollment. I think we've got up to 6, maybe 7 subjects now. We've only been added a couple of months. So we're really just starting to ramp up that recruitment effort. Speaker 200:19:53Again, we're going after 430 subjects. So we predict probably another year to maybe 14 months to complete that enrollment. And again, we're really just beginning in the early phases of that enrollment effort. Speaker 300:20:13Yes. So about the R and D questions. So for this quarter, because of the milestone was hit, I think we paid about $2,000,000 for the Dragon study. And also for the PHOENIX, I think about $1,900,000 for the 1st patient screened and dosed. So we don't really expect this high expenses moving forward. Speaker 300:20:46As you guys may recall, we had much lower Q2 expenses because we have over signed up on the DRAGEN study. We wanted to enroll only 90, But before we closed the enrollment, there was already 104 subjects signed up. And we had to wait for the last one to be scheduled for dosing. That's why we had to delay the milestone for being fully enrolled from Q2 to Q3. That's why the Q2 expenses was much lower than what we expected because you didn't have the milestone. Speaker 300:21:26And for the Q3, it does. And the Q3, you have the Dragon fully enrollment milestone hit. You got progress of the Dragon study milestone hit as well. And also you have the PHOENIX first patient dose milestone hit as well. So that's why you see a much higher Q3 expenses. Speaker 300:21:48But moving forward, it probably will go down to pretty less than $2,000,000 I mean, have $2,000,000 lower given we don't have those milestone for the Dragon to continue in the following quarters. Speaker 400:22:10And then on the GA side? Speaker 300:22:13On the GA side, we don't really know at the moment to give a very accurate expenses forecast because it will highly depends on the progress of the sites and the screening. And because the cost will also highly depends on the progress on that. So we kind of can have like a full year idea. But for quarter by quarter, we probably will have to wait and see the sites just up and running for a bit to be able to know like how fast the IRB approved, the contract, the study and also how fast the PI can call back their patients. For now, what we have is like how many patients they have. Speaker 300:23:01But until they not until they actually call the patient to schedule a visit, we wouldn't really know how fast those patients will be able to come in. Sometimes you have many patients, they all want to come in the same week, but there's just not enough manpower to handle so many patients and they will have to reschedule those patients. I think I will have a better idea probably in Q1 next year once we have more sites up and running. Thank you. I have next questions from Mark from Leerink. Speaker 500:23:44Hi. Can you hear me? Speaker 300:23:46Yes. Speaker 500:23:46Hi. This is Basma on for Mark. We have questions about whether you guys are going to release more analysis or detailed analysis of the Phase II data with related to the genotype and the phenotype of the patients. Operator00:24:03What I Speaker 500:24:03mean is unifocal, multi focal and the different mutations of the patients that were enrolled in the Phase II? And how are you going to regarding the Phase III, which is Dragon, are you trying to match some of the baseline characteristics when it comes to phenotype and genotype to the Phase II or is it a little bit different? Speaker 200:24:26Yes. So, Bahama, let me take that question. So regarding the Phase 2 data, will we be providing additional data analysis? The answer is yes. So I'm actually presently preparing an abstract for ARVO 2024 that meets in Seattle in May to talk exactly that to provide those genotypic data because we are very surprised to see no DDS lesion growth in 5 of 12 subjects throughout 2 years of treatment. Speaker 200:24:53And we thought maybe it's possible that these kids have more mild mutations. In fact, that's not the case. They all have very severe mutations. So the finding that they're not converting from the early autofluorescence lesion type to the atrophic lesion type is actually very profound. So we're providing both the genotypic and phenotypic data and a better breakdown of the lesion growth on a subject level basis. Speaker 200:25:14So that will be provided at ARVO. In terms of paralleling the Phase II and Phase III trial designs, the study designs themselves are essentially identical. That is, it's a 2 year study looking at the same endpoint with the same dose 5 milligrams daily and of course it's the same patient population. We've increased the age range from 18 to 20. So in the Phase 2, was 12 to 18 and the Phase 3 will be 12 to 20. Speaker 200:25:37And that was at the behest of principal investigators who were wanting to get their patients in. But other than that, there's no real difference other than this main difference, which is in the Phase 3, these kids will have to have atrophic lesions at baseline. That's necessary in order to meet the requirement for the endpoint, which is slowing the growth of atrophic lesions. That is what the FDA wants. So you have to start with some measure of atrophic lesions at baseline, whereas in the Phase 2, the open label study, all of these children, these kids had earlier lesions. Speaker 200:26:09They only had the autofluorescent lesion types. And so that's really the big difference between the Phase II and the Phase III. And of course, we're not trying to match the genotypic profiling that we saw in Phase 2 with what we're seeing in Phase 3. We're basically taking all comers as long as they fit our inclusion exclusion criteria without respect to genotype. Speaker 500:26:29Got it. Thank you so much, Jason. Speaker 200:26:32Thank you for the question. Speaker 300:26:36Next questions, we got Yi Chen, 5,7, right? Speaker 600:26:44Thank you for taking my questions. My first question is, is it so that in the DRAGEN trial, the lesion size baseline is smaller than the baseline in the Phase II? And how is that going to impact the data readout? Speaker 200:27:02Yes. So it's important to note, as I mentioned earlier, in Phase II, we don't have any atrophic lesions at baseline. So these patients only had autofluorescence lesions and they were varied sizes. One patient has a lesion as low as as small as a 1 millimeter. Another patient has autofluorescence lesion as big as 11 millimeters. Speaker 200:27:20So there's a very big size range in the autofluorescence lesion types and of course we'll be presenting that as part of the ARVO abstract and presentation that I spoke earlier about tepodma. In terms of the balancing in the Phase 3, the lesion type as I mentioned earlier is actually quite small, which is what we want. So we look at the mean lesion type at baseline in the Phase 3 trial and we see an atrophic lesion mean size of 2 millimeters square, which is great. So when you're asking are the lesion sizes different between 2 studies, yes, because the lesion types are different between the two studies. But in this Phase 3 trial, we have exactly what we are shooting for. Speaker 200:27:58We want to start with smaller lesions at baseline and quite honestly the smallest detectable lesion is about 0.05 millimeter. We are at 2 millimeter and we believe based upon some other trial results from other companies that these smaller lesion types will respond to this type of pharmacotherapy. So that was sort of a long winded way of answering your question, but I hope I got to the answer for you. Speaker 600:28:19Thank you. But the lesion size at line in the Dragon trial, is that representative of the overall patient population in the real world? Speaker 200:28:28Very tough to say. So remember, we have 104 adolescent Stargardt subjects from all over the globe, China, Europe, North America and other countries. So this is a good representative sampling of all the genotypes and phenotypes that are manifest in adolescent Stargardt disease. This is the largest study of its type, it's never been done before. So if there's any true sort of homogeneity of the demographics, this study would tell you what it is. Speaker 200:28:55There's no other study that we can look to and say, well, we want to match that demographic because that fits best our patient population. No one's ever done a long term epidemiological study or natural history study in just Stargardt disease with the exception of ProgStar where they have a subset of patients that are of the same baseline that is the same age and lesion characteristics as our patients in the Phase 2. But in terms of an atrophic lesion type that it would be representative of the Stargardt population, I would say we have it because again this is the largest collection of adolescent Stargardt subjects in any investigational trial that I'm aware of. Speaker 100:29:36So, Yi, may I add that for in fact all studies right now to date, most of those patients came from North America and Europe. Same goes for observational studies such as PROGSTOP. They are mainly patients from North America and Europe. So what's been reported out there and published out there, it's all similar genotypes, I believe. Speaker 600:30:06Thank you. And how much slowing of the lesion growth rate in the Dragon trial will allow the company to ask for accelerated approval from the FDA? Speaker 100:30:19I can take that. So you want to take that? Speaker 200:30:22No, no, Tom, please. Speaker 100:30:24Yes. So we had discussions with FDA regarding this. I think at this moment, the FDA as Nathan mentioned, this is the first ever study, especially in pediatric opioid or adolescent SARS disease. So the FDA right now just asked us to show them the data. So right now, they have not given too much away. Speaker 100:30:48So I guess that's the standard response from the FDA. So they want to see the data first. Speaker 600:30:54Got it. And my last question is, if the PHOENIX trial has data similar to what has been observed from the Phase 2 Stargardt trial or the later drug and trial. How competitive do you think tilaraben is compared to drugs already approved for dry NDA? Speaker 100:31:15Nathan, you want to take this? I think you're smiling. Speaker 200:31:18Yes, absolutely. I think it's going to be a game changer Yi. I mean, so if we look at the approved drugs for GA right now, you're not getting anything better than about a 20% treatment effect on slowing lesion growth and you're not getting much of a visual acuity benefit and you have a significant safety risk. With an oral therapeutic that achieves same level of efficacy that is a 20% slowing of lesion growth with a very clean systemic safety profile and no potential for adverse ocular ease that would be permanent such as the occlusive retinal vasculitis has been documented in rare cases with the Apellis drug. When you have that and you're reducing the treatment burden so significantly with an oral once a day, I think patients will flock to this oral once a day treatment because it's going to be superior in terms of benefit to the patient in terms of reducing treatment burden and reducing any potential risk to their ocular health and safety. Speaker 200:32:11So that's the one thing. The other thing is that these drugs, the complement inhibitors that have been approved, the Apellis drug, the Ivera drug, these are anti inflammatory agents. So they address late stage disease, which is driven by inflammation. They will not those drugs would not be effective in early stage disease, which is one of our differentiators because there's no inflammation in early stage GA or early stage Stargardt. So we see there another potential market opportunity for us because they cannot use their drug effectively in our subjects. Speaker 200:32:41However, our drug can be used effectively both in the younger population as well as the late onset as sort of a maintenance therapy. So I see more of a synergy than I do a competitiveness. But in terms of what would be preferred, I think if we achieve the same level of treatment effect with this very clean safety profile, our drug would certainly be preferred by most GA subjects patients. Speaker 100:33:04Thank you very much. And I think there's a survey done with 3,000 ophthalmologists. And I think over 80%, they say that they would have prescribed the beta complement injections for the patients. So it's very overwhelming and surprising that even the drugs approved for GA, most ophthalmologists still wouldn't prescribe it. Speaker 300:33:41We also have Bruce from Benchmark. Speaker 700:33:48Hi, good afternoon and thank you for the informative presentation. Just one quick financial question, if I may. The non cash expenses for the quarter, do you have an estimate of the D and A and the stock comp? Speaker 300:34:04Sorry, say again? The Speaker 700:34:07non cash expenses for the quarter. Speaker 300:34:11Right. That's mainly for the ESOP that we grant in Q3. Speaker 700:34:16Okay. All right. That's it for me. Thank you. Speaker 300:34:21Thank you. Well, Bruce, thank you for asking that question. Yes, we actually even if you look at the income statement, it looks like we have much higher expenses this quarter. But cash wise, it's about, I think, dollars 2,000,000 is about the non cash component coming from the ESOP that we grant in that quarter. And also, we do have we haven't seen more and more people exercising their warrants from the follow on. Speaker 300:34:53So we did raise the $5,000,000 from the warrants in this quarter. So in fact, our net cash outflow in Q3 was only, I think, close to RMB3 1,000,000. So it's not that significant. Financially, cash wise, we're doing pretty well. Okay. Speaker 300:35:16If anyone has any questions, please raise your hand. I don't have any written question on the platform here. Okay. So if no other questions, we'll conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your time.Read morePowered by