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Earnings HistoryForecast Algoma Steel Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.18Consensus EPS $0.25Beat/MissMissed by -$0.07One Year Ago EPSN/AAlgoma Steel Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$546.13 millionExpected Revenue$514.96 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$31.17 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAlgoma Steel Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2024Date11/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, November 3, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsAlgoma Steel Group's Q4 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Algoma Steel Group Q2 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:02Greetings. Welcome to the Algonquin Steel Group, Inc. Fiscal Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Operator00:00:20Please note this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to your host, Mike Maraca, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:29Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Algoma Steel Group, Inc. 2nd quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Leading today's call are Michael Garcia, our Chief Executive Officer and Rajat Marwa, our Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay later today in the Investors section of Algoma Steel's corporate website atwww.algoma.com. I would like to remind you that comments made on today's call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of and securities laws, which involve assumptions and inherent risks and uncertainties. Speaker 100:01:06Actual results may differ materially from statements made today. In addition, our financial statements are prepared in accordance with IFRS, which differs from U. S. GAAP, and our discussion today includes references to certain non IFRS financial measures. Last evening, we posted an earnings presentation to accompany today's prepared remarks. Speaker 100:01:26The slides for today's call can be found in the Investors section of our corporate website. With that in mind, I would ask everyone on today's call to read the legal disclaimers on Slide 2 of the accompanying earnings presentation and to also refer to the risks and assumptions outlined in Algoma Steel's Q2 fiscal 2024 management's discussion and analysis. Please note that our financial statements are prepared using the U. S. Dollar as our functional currency and the Canadian dollar as our presentation currency. Speaker 100:01:55Our fiscal year runs from April 1 to March 31, and our financial statements have been prepared for the 3 6 months ended September 30, 2023. Please note all amounts referred to on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Garcia. Mike? Speaker 200:02:22Thank you, Mike. Good morning and thank you for joining us to Our fiscal 2nd quarter results. As always, I will begin my remarks by addressing what truly matters most, the safety of all of our employees. At Algoma, we believe in safety without compromise. And our continued dedication has led to a significant improvement in our lost time injury frequency rate over the past decade. Speaker 200:02:46Furthermore, we bring the same focus and attention to safety as we continue progressing on 420,000 hours with no lost time injuries to date and want to emphasize the importance of safety, especially as we enter the winter months. We will continue to work diligently as we relentlessly pursue our goal of achieving 0 workplace injuries. Next, I'll cover key events and milestones during our fiscal Q2 and subsequent to its end, as well as update you on the progress of our Formative EAF project. I will then turn the call over to Rajat for a deeper dive into the numbers and a discussion of our strong liquidity and balance sheet before closing with an update on market conditions. Our results for the fiscal Q2 of 2024 were in line with our previously disclosed guidance for both shipments and adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 200:03:49These results reflect solid operational performance against a challenging backdrop in steel markets, where the recently resolved UAW strike at various U. S. Automaking facilities impacted demand and pricing. During the quarter, we continued progress on Phase 2 of our plate mill modernization project, including commissioning and testing of the in line shear. We expect this year to be online later this month and to ramp up plate production through the end of the year. Speaker 200:04:21This higher production level will allow us to capture market opportunities and to build inventory ahead of the planned outages for the implementation of the final phase of the modernization project. The project team has worked through the detailed implementation steps and identified opportunities to further derisk this phase. Originally, We had planned on one outage spanning 40 days. However, we have identified advantages to splitting the outages into 2 Shorter duration outages of up to 20 days, which we expect will mitigate the impact on our customer base, while also reducing commissioning risk. The first outage will be in April of next year and the second outage will be scheduled for later in the calendar year to align with our planned maintenance outages providing further advantages. Speaker 200:05:13We still expect the same increase in production volume over the course of the year with much less impact on our customers. Turning to other strategic initiatives. We have made significant progress on securing key raw material inputs during the quarter. We signed a 2 year extension to our existing iron ore purchase contract with U. S. Speaker 200:05:35Steel with an option for a 3rd year at our sole discretion. By extending the existing contract, we now anticipate our iron ore volumes needed to make the transition to electric arc furnace steelmaking are fully covered, giving us certainty of supply and uninterrupted access. On the coking coal front, we have settled our calendar 2024 contract needs And pricing for this raw material is expected to be down low double digits in calendar 2024. So given the certainty of labor due to the 5 year union agreement signed last year, the contract for our iron ore needs for the next few years and our coking coal contracts for calendar 2024, we have solidified our inputs and created better visibility into our cost structure for the next several quarters, positioning us to expand margins, especially as steel prices continue to improve from recent strike impacted weakness. We are optimistic as forward prices have hovered around US1000 dollars per ton for hot rolled coil in recent days, reflective of the pent up demand and low inventory levels at certain customers. Speaker 200:06:51Next, I'd like to update you on our progress during the quarter on our transformational EAF project. This will ultimately increase our throughput capacity by roughly a third From 2,800,000 tons per year of liquid steelmaking capacity by conventional means today to 3,700,000 tons employing dual EAF furnaces upon completion. The higher output will match our expanded downstream finishing capacity as we increase throughput at our plate mill. Importantly, this will improve overall product mix while simultaneously lowering our carbon emissions by approximately 70% when fully operational. When factoring in the makeup of our power supply when we switch to EAF operations, We expect to be one of the greenest producers of steel in North America. Speaker 200:07:45During the quarter, Cumulative investment in the EAF project reached $456,000,000 or 54% of our expected total project cost at the midpoint of our project budget. We have made meaningful progress since quarter end securing uncontracted portions of expected project cost. And as of today, approximately 80% of the total project budget is under contract. We expect to contract the remainder of the project budget by the end of March 2024. Furthermore, it is important to point out that as of now only 5% of the total contracted amount is subject to time and material adjustments, meaning the vast majority is under fixed price terms. Speaker 200:08:31This demonstrates significant de risking of the EAF project over the past several months as we progress towards the start of commissioning in late calendar 2024. As a reminder, our start up plan continues to include normal production from our existing steelmaking facility, while ramping up steel production from our EAFs in calendar 2025, followed by a complete switch to EAF production. I spoke earlier about our successful efforts to secure Gold and iron ore inputs for our existing operations. And when you think about the inputs for EAF Steelmaking, one of the most important is power. As we mentioned previously, we already have the required power to run the electric arc furnaces at our current run rate of 2,200,000 to 2,400,000 tons of shipments without relying on the blast furnace, utilizing on-site power generation and the current grid. Speaker 200:09:31We can utilize hot metal from the blast furnace opportunistically, which would provide further upside to our current capacity. In this quarter, we received a system impact assessment for the 2nd phase of our project, which means When the local 230 kV line is installed, we can run either EAF unit without running our on-site power plant. Also, subsequent to the quarter end, the Ontario government's announcement and issuance of an order in Council to accelerate regional power infrastructure upgrades provides further assurance for our long term power requirements for our EAF project. All in all, A significant amount of progress has been made, substantially derisking the availability and cost of the power needed for our new EAFs. It's an exciting time in Sault Ste. Speaker 200:10:22Marie as our existing facilities operate normally and work on the EAF accelerates. I'd like to once again thank all of our employees whose execution continues to deliver solid operational and financial results safely, while simultaneously driving the EAF project forward. Now I will pass the call over to Rajat to go over our financial results for the quarter and give more details on the expected funding of our capital expenditures. Rajat? Speaker 300:10:53Thanks, Mike. Good morning and thank you all for joining the call. Our second quarter results included adjusted EBITDA of $81,000,000 which reflects an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.1%. Cash generated from operating activities was $57,200,000 We finished the quarter with $213,600,000 of unrestricted cash And our US300 $1,000,000 revolving credit facility remains undrawn, representing total liquidity in excess of 500,000,000 We have mentioned in our previous calls and included in our strategic direction our focus on financial discipline. We have structured our balance sheet with the only long term debt in the form of government loans linked to our capital projects and maintained a very low leverage profile with ample liquidity to manage through market fluctuations and complete our capital initiatives. Speaker 300:11:56I'll now dive into the key drivers of our performance in the quarter. We shipped 549,000 net tons in the quarter, up 26.1% as compared to the prior year period. Our plate and strip operations continue to run well and our normal seasonal maintenance is occurring as expected, including our annual steelmaking vessel reline. As a reminder, this normal seasonal maintenance typically reduces production by 20000 to 30000 tons. As a result, we would expect our fiscal 3rd quarter production to be lower sequentially as compared to the Fiscal second quarter. Speaker 300:12:39Net sales realizations averaged $12,000,000 $13 per ton, down 4.3% versus the prior year period. The decrease versus the prior year levels primarily reflects overall softer market conditions in the quarter. Plate pricing continued to enjoy a significant premium relative to hot rolled coil during the quarter, driven by resilient demand particularly from pending on infrastructure projects and durable goods. As a reminder, we are the only discrete plate mill in Canada And we look forward to the incremental tons from the plate mill in the calendar Q4 and beyond as a result of the new share installation. Steel revenue in the quarter totaled $665,800,000 up 20.7% versus the same quarter of last year, reflecting the increase in shipments that were more than offset by lower average realization per ton of steel. Speaker 300:13:37On the cost side, Algoma's cost per ton of steel products sold averaged $10.21 in the quarter, down 1.6% versus the prior year period. The main drivers of the decrease versus the prior year period include the positive impact of increased volumes. Versus the prior quarter, our cost of steel products sold were approximately 7% higher attributed to lower volumes, Higher costs related to various raw materials and utility inputs including natural gas and purchased coke. Cash flow from operations totaled $57,200,000 for the quarter compared to a use of $66,100,000 in the prior year period. Our inventories at the quarter end were $822,700,000 up 8.3% during the quarter due to normal seasonal build patterns. Speaker 300:14:32We expect to build inventories further during the calendar Q4 ahead of winter, as we typically do at this point in the year and to release inventories in the first half of calendar twenty twenty four heavily weighted towards the 1st calendar quarter. Now I'd like to provide additional color on our funding plans for the EF project. As previously noted, Our outlook for the total cost of the project remains in the range of $825,000,000 to 875,000,000 To the end of the quarter, we had spent $456,000,000 or 54% of the expected total cost, leaving $394,000,000 to be spent. We are well positioned today when we look at our expected sources for those expenditures. We have cash on hand of over $200,000,000 another $93,000,000 of available capacity on our federal CEP loan and approximately $150,000,000 of cash to be generated from drawing down excess working capital with approximately 70% of this coming in the 4th fiscal quarter and the balance coming in the following fiscal year. Speaker 300:15:44Combined, this exceeds the remaining expected capital requirement to complete the project. With that, I'll turn the call back to Mike Garcia for closing comments. Mike? Speaker 200:15:54Thank you, Rajat. Looking at the state of the North American steel market, hot rolled coil index prices fell approximately 25% in the calendar third quarter as the concerns about and the reality of a UAW strike weighed on the market. Capacity was curtailed at several North American mills as a result and inventories across distributors were drawn down. We do expect this to meaningfully impact EBITDA in the current fiscal as lower prices and lower shipments on account of our planned maintenance outages are felt. Looking further out, as labor settlements have been reached over the last few days, pricing has rapidly moved higher and we have seen forward curve pricing climb to near $1,000 per continues to demonstrate a significant premium as overall demand for plate products remains high, which in turn continues to benefit our average price realizations. Speaker 200:16:59We will relentlessly maintain our primary focus of operational excellence and maintaining prudent financial discipline regardless of volatility in our end markets. This will ensure our ability to execute our EAF project, assuring in the next phase of our company that defines the future of Algoma, provides for the long term value creation of our stakeholders and solidifies our leadership position at the forefront of green steel production in North America. Thank you very much for your continued Operator00:17:43Thank you. And at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. And our first question comes from the line of David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:18:18Thanks. I guess my first one here is for Rajat. Based on kind of your annual buys that you have for your raw materials and your new iron ore contract, do you guys think we've hit peak raw material prices and how should that trend into next year? Speaker 300:18:35Yes. So For coal, definitely it comes down. And I don't know you see how the index fluctuates. So that affects to some extent as we have 2 contracts right now running. But I would say that You're right that we should see cost coming down in the future. Speaker 300:19:03Normally, The winter months have some challenges primarily based on high cost of utilities, Natural gas, power that goes through, but other raw materials should start coming down as we go into the next year. Speaker 400:19:22Okay. And then I guess just sticking with you, Rajat, I mean, if I take a look at your inventory levels, they're still a little bit elevated. They actually saw an uptick in the quarter. Can you just walk us through how those raw materials just or finished product begins to unwind and how much cash we can expect to unlock in the next several quarters? Speaker 300:19:43Sure. So we normally build During December and this is typical and then we'll release in March and then we'll do the same next year. But when you look at March to March March end to March end, we should release Around $100,000,000 in working capital. And I say working capital, it is it includes inventories and Some other on the payable side as they go hand in hand. So you'll see that happening. Speaker 300:20:19And then there is another $50 odd million that we should see in the following year. So we should see that $150,000,000 coming down. It's taking a little longer as I had Mentioned earlier as well that we have inventories which are which will take a little bit longer to run down And this is primarily on the raw material side. On the finished goods and WIP side, As cost comes down, we should see that improving. But from tonnage perspective, we should see some optimization happening. Speaker 400:20:52Got it. And then my last one, it could be for whoever wants to take it. But you typically set your annual contracts around this time, at least that 10% that you typically hold out on. Was this done before the resolution of the UAW strike or post the strike when we saw much better pricing conditions? Speaker 200:21:12David, this is Mike. I think it's happened throughout. It's still happening Now, so it really depends on the specific customer and kind of the historical timeframe. But we definitely began it on the cusp of the strike, but It's continuing to happen as we're speaking. Speaker 400:21:33Okay, perfect. Thank you so much everyone. Operator00:21:39Our next question comes from the line of Katja Jantek with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:21:47Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. First, maybe on the plate side. I think you mentioned that The demand environment remains healthy and prices elevated. But what we're seeing in the U. Speaker 500:21:59S. That one of your peers Has actually announced that they are reducing prices and it seems that the demand environment is softening. Can you talk a bit more, are you seeing a different environment in Canada and how much are you selling into the U. S. Market? Speaker 200:22:19Thanks, Katya. This is Mike. So when you think of our plate book of business, It's the majority of it is in Canada. It's roughly a seventy-thirty split between Canada and the U. S. Speaker 200:22:38And again, I think as reflected in the spread, which still remains Large and actually opened up a bit this week. We're still seeing pretty robust demand for our Plate business, I think there's some segments of the plate market that are maybe under a little bit more pressure than others. I'm sure you saw The cancellation of the wind tower projects, but that's not a segment that we're in. So we still feel relatively confident about the plate spread and where our book of business is. Is that helpful? Speaker 500:23:17Okay. Maybe yes, no, that's super helpful. Thank you for that. And then just on near term cost side, given that the production level is going to Lower this quarter, how should we think about cost per ton? Should they be higher? Speaker 500:23:33Or what are some of the puts and takes there? Speaker 300:23:37Yes. Hi, Katja. So it will be higher just because of the volume. So when you look at puts and takes for the coming quarters, let's say, or the coming quarter at least is that The volume definitely will impact. Other costs are more or less very similar. Speaker 300:23:58Utilities might continue, which is natural gas and power with some pressure on higher pricing. So that's how The next quarter will play out quarter after getting back to normal production levels, which because the outages are out and then you still have the utility pressure and then you get into the summer months where you start getting into much normal situation. So that's how we see the cost playing out over the next Couple of quarters. Speaker 500:24:31Okay. Thank you. I'll hop back into the queue. Operator00:24:38Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillies with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:24:45Hi, everyone. Speaker 500:24:47Hi. Speaker 200:24:48Hi, Ian. With respect Speaker 600:24:50to the play mill modernization and the new If I recall correctly, I think that was supposed to be done at some point during this past quarter. It sounds like it's still ongoing. Has there been some sort of delay there that's impacted volumes or am I misreading the situation? Speaker 200:25:11No. I think what we had mentioned before was hot commissioning was beginning in this quarter and we're Pretty much right on schedule with that project. It is a pretty involved hot commissioning exercise. And so We're still on track as we bring up that shear into more normal production in November and then Consequently, in December and through the Q1 of next year. Speaker 600:25:41Okay. That's helpful. And as you think about once you get past the two Brief outages next year. Do you have a good sense of where you think volumes are going to be post that? Is that number still a bit influx depending on what may happen? Speaker 600:25:57And if you do have a good idea, would you be willing to quantify it for us? Speaker 200:26:02Well, I think what we're aiming for prior to the first outage in April is to roll in a 10% to 15% Increase in our plate business and then building from there. We've The plate business, it's a very important market segment for us. We are spending a lot of time with customers now about and it's really kind of 2 pieces. It's recovering our position at some of our historical plate customers. We had some challenging times last year with the commissioning of the and the start up from Phase 1 of the project. Speaker 200:26:41So we had a little bit of room to recover so to speak, but we've made The type of improvements in quality and promise performance that we believe the customers require of us And now as we bring on more capacity steadily through next year, we'll build our business with The quality and promised performance improvements as well as the increased flow path to handle it. Speaker 600:27:11Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Mike. If I could just squeeze in one more. With respect to what you're seeing from your customers right now and as it pertains to the rise in HFC How much of it do you think of this run is due to structurally stronger demand? Speaker 600:27:27And how much do you think is tied to inventories being rebuilt because I know buying had been pretty weak? I know it's a tough question to answer, but any commentary there I think would be helpful. Yes. It is a I think it would be helpful. Speaker 200:27:39Yes. It is a tough question to ask. Definitely there is An aspect of it and probably a significant aspect in the early days, the 1st few weeks, couple of months That is tied more to a recovery from the positions people reached during the strike. Inventories were I think at 2 months, which is Quite low. Lead times for the mills were out at 8 weeks for the most part. Speaker 200:28:11So I think the initial Stages of it have been a recovery from the concern and the specific outages tied to The UAW strike, I think going forward is where it will really kind of demonstrate whether The rest of it any further pricing beyond where we're reaching now will I think be more tied to Metal demand and economic activity. Speaker 600:28:44Understood. Thanks very much. That's helpful. I'll turn the call back over. Operator00:28:52And our next question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:28:58Thank you very much, operator. Thank you very much for taking my question. The first one is circling back on annual contracts. And With the decline in raw material costs in 2024, would you expect the margin on annual contracts to increase or stay the same, go down? Would appreciate your perspective on that. Speaker 700:29:18Thank you. Speaker 300:29:20Sure. The contracts that we do are mostly index based. And there is a very small amount that's on fixed price where you see That's happening. But overall, we should see margins improving because costs should get optimized And if the pricing remains at the level it is or lower, we should see higher margins. So relatively, margins will be Because the cost comes down, but our most of our contracts are index based, so it's heavily based On how the pricing moves throughout the year. Speaker 700:30:06Got it. And thank you for that. And can you remind us roughly what percentage would be fixed versus floating? Speaker 300:30:15We normally do around 5% or so fixed And of our total book and we normally do contracts around 50% to 60%. So 5% is fixed and the balance is all floating based on monthly and quarterly contracts. Speaker 700:30:36Very helpful. Thank you for that. And then my second question is on your coke procurement during the transition phase. Can you remind us what the strategy varies? What would you expect the mix to look like? Speaker 700:30:50And Any possible savings on the capital side as you transition? Thank you very much for your color. Speaker 200:31:02Yes, Lucas. So we're we continue to maximize production from our internal coke batteries And we continue to spend critically required capital to maintain those batteries in a safe operating Condition. But the fact remains, even when they're running very well, we are still short of Coke. So we'll continue To purchase Coke externally as we've done in the past, we always try to minimize that number, but we expect that To go forward into the future and we've gotten a little bit of a benefit here recently because the market price of coke has come down Pretty significantly. But our approach remains the same. Speaker 200:31:49We've had to maintain the batteries even though they don't have A long life or a life for us beyond our final transition to EAF production, but we're still spending some amount of required sustaining capital to keep them safe and operating profit properly. Speaker 800:32:09Does that help? Speaker 700:32:10It does. I do have a follow-up question. There's talk of some potential idling of Blast Furnace coke making capacity in the sorry, Blast Furnace capacity in 2020 So I would think that overall there's more coke available from a merchant basis. Is that tempting or when you kind of think about, you just answered the question before that you want to kind of maximize your internal needs, but Is there a point where that can switch and where it makes more sense to buy more coke on a merchant basis? Speaker 200:32:49Yes. I think at the end of the day, It comes down to economics. So we have to have a good understanding of our internal coke production cost including The yield loss that you'll get in coke when you buy it externally and transport it here, but certainly if the economics Change significantly in that decision internal production versus external purchase. That's something we'll be tracking and be aware of and prepared to act Got it. Speaker 700:33:19And how quickly could a switch occur? Is that a decision you have to kind of make once a year? Or can you be flexible as the year progresses and supply demand changes? Speaker 300:33:34Yes. No, we can be pretty Pretty quick in that. It's not within days, but probably within months we can switch. We don't have to wait for a year Because we what we do is that we do contract out based on our optimum production internally. And if we have to If we have to switch that based on opportunity available in the market to buy at a price which offsets our own production, then you have then Then we have that flexibility and we can move quickly within months. Speaker 700:34:09Very helpful. Really appreciate all the color and continue best of luck. Thank you. Speaker 200:34:14Thanks Lucas. Operator00:34:17And our next question comes from the line of Ahmad Shah with Beacon Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:34:27Hi, guys. Just maybe a quick one for me on the EAF project. Did I read that right? Is the hybrid scenario is not on play anymore and you guys are going to start Commission on both the ARFs, given the what your thoughts on the connectivity? Speaker 200:34:51No, I think hybrid is definitely still in play, but what we mentioned was that we wanted to Emphasize that we will be able to match our current output with only running EAF's coal charge and the power that is available Today and with the recent decisions by IESO and the completion of the system So there's been a full kind of understanding of the impact of our power demand and the nature of it by The operator of the grid in Ontario and they've issued some conclusions based on that. However, we still have the optionality to continue to run our blast furnaces and take advantage of hot metal From those blast furnaces at a reduced blast furnace rate to augment our production through the EAFs If we want to increase the total amount of steel produced and again that will go back to the economics and And how that decision looks from an economic perspective? Speaker 800:36:03Got it. That's very helpful. And maybe a little bit related on that. On the carbon I saw the at least from an income statement perspective, the number was a little bit higher, but it doesn't look like It had a big impact on your cash flow. So maybe that's one for Rajat, just to walk us through as we go forward, How should we think about that on the blast furnaces continue to operate? Speaker 300:36:36Sorry, Amit. Can you repeat the question, Aye? Speaker 800:36:40Yes. I'm just trying to understand the potential impact on your cash flow from the carbon tax Hey, man. Because it was substantial in this quarter, somewhat at $12,000,000 I haven't seen that number in a while. So maybe help us explain why it's a little bit bigger, but from a cash flow perspective, it doesn't look like it impacted the operating cash flow. So I'm just trying to understand I would get back two numbers. Speaker 300:37:04Got it. I thought government tax. So yes, carbon tax, so the way to look at carbon tax is We have roughly we roughly pay on 5% of our emissions, which is roughly 200,000 tons and the price For last year is for this year is 50 and for next year it goes up by another 15. So that's how the total cash out comes out and normally the cash out goes in November. From accounting perspective, it was based on the estimates that come out until the time they are finalized, Those estimates are looked at and the accounting happens, and that's how you see a big number coming in In this quarter, which is the September quarter. Speaker 300:37:55But for from cash out perspective and total expense perspective, it still remains A simple math of roughly 200,000 tons on an average and the price Yes, on what we need to pay it on. Speaker 800:38:14Thank you. That's very helpful. And last one for me. If I heard you correctly, you do expect margins to improve, but because of the volume situation in fiscal Q3, we should expect a small dip and then Calendar 2024's margin should start improving. Speaker 300:38:32Correct. Speaker 800:38:33Perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:38:40We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Michael Garcia for closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:49Thank you again for your participation in our Q2 fiscal 2024 earnings conference call and for your continued interest in Algoma Steel. We look forward to updating you on our results and progress when we report our fiscal 3rd quarter results scheduled for February. Operator00:39:09And this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. 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The company provides flat/sheet steel products, including temper rolling, cold rolled, hot-rolled pickled and oiled products, floor plate, and cut-to-length products for the automotive industry, hollow structural product manufacturers, and the light manufacturing and transportation industries; and plate steel products that consist of rolled, hot-rolled, and heat-treated for use in the construction or manufacture of railcars, buildings, bridges, off-highway equipment, storage tanks, ships, and military applications. Algoma Steel Group Inc. was founded in 1901 and is headquartered in Sault Ste. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:02Greetings. Welcome to the Algonquin Steel Group, Inc. Fiscal Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Operator00:00:20Please note this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the conference over to your host, Mike Maraca, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:29Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Algoma Steel Group, Inc. 2nd quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Leading today's call are Michael Garcia, our Chief Executive Officer and Rajat Marwa, our Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay later today in the Investors section of Algoma Steel's corporate website atwww.algoma.com. I would like to remind you that comments made on today's call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of and securities laws, which involve assumptions and inherent risks and uncertainties. Speaker 100:01:06Actual results may differ materially from statements made today. In addition, our financial statements are prepared in accordance with IFRS, which differs from U. S. GAAP, and our discussion today includes references to certain non IFRS financial measures. Last evening, we posted an earnings presentation to accompany today's prepared remarks. Speaker 100:01:26The slides for today's call can be found in the Investors section of our corporate website. With that in mind, I would ask everyone on today's call to read the legal disclaimers on Slide 2 of the accompanying earnings presentation and to also refer to the risks and assumptions outlined in Algoma Steel's Q2 fiscal 2024 management's discussion and analysis. Please note that our financial statements are prepared using the U. S. Dollar as our functional currency and the Canadian dollar as our presentation currency. Speaker 100:01:55Our fiscal year runs from April 1 to March 31, and our financial statements have been prepared for the 3 6 months ended September 30, 2023. Please note all amounts referred to on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Garcia. Mike? Speaker 200:02:22Thank you, Mike. Good morning and thank you for joining us to Our fiscal 2nd quarter results. As always, I will begin my remarks by addressing what truly matters most, the safety of all of our employees. At Algoma, we believe in safety without compromise. And our continued dedication has led to a significant improvement in our lost time injury frequency rate over the past decade. Speaker 200:02:46Furthermore, we bring the same focus and attention to safety as we continue progressing on 420,000 hours with no lost time injuries to date and want to emphasize the importance of safety, especially as we enter the winter months. We will continue to work diligently as we relentlessly pursue our goal of achieving 0 workplace injuries. Next, I'll cover key events and milestones during our fiscal Q2 and subsequent to its end, as well as update you on the progress of our Formative EAF project. I will then turn the call over to Rajat for a deeper dive into the numbers and a discussion of our strong liquidity and balance sheet before closing with an update on market conditions. Our results for the fiscal Q2 of 2024 were in line with our previously disclosed guidance for both shipments and adjusted EBITDA. Speaker 200:03:49These results reflect solid operational performance against a challenging backdrop in steel markets, where the recently resolved UAW strike at various U. S. Automaking facilities impacted demand and pricing. During the quarter, we continued progress on Phase 2 of our plate mill modernization project, including commissioning and testing of the in line shear. We expect this year to be online later this month and to ramp up plate production through the end of the year. Speaker 200:04:21This higher production level will allow us to capture market opportunities and to build inventory ahead of the planned outages for the implementation of the final phase of the modernization project. The project team has worked through the detailed implementation steps and identified opportunities to further derisk this phase. Originally, We had planned on one outage spanning 40 days. However, we have identified advantages to splitting the outages into 2 Shorter duration outages of up to 20 days, which we expect will mitigate the impact on our customer base, while also reducing commissioning risk. The first outage will be in April of next year and the second outage will be scheduled for later in the calendar year to align with our planned maintenance outages providing further advantages. Speaker 200:05:13We still expect the same increase in production volume over the course of the year with much less impact on our customers. Turning to other strategic initiatives. We have made significant progress on securing key raw material inputs during the quarter. We signed a 2 year extension to our existing iron ore purchase contract with U. S. Speaker 200:05:35Steel with an option for a 3rd year at our sole discretion. By extending the existing contract, we now anticipate our iron ore volumes needed to make the transition to electric arc furnace steelmaking are fully covered, giving us certainty of supply and uninterrupted access. On the coking coal front, we have settled our calendar 2024 contract needs And pricing for this raw material is expected to be down low double digits in calendar 2024. So given the certainty of labor due to the 5 year union agreement signed last year, the contract for our iron ore needs for the next few years and our coking coal contracts for calendar 2024, we have solidified our inputs and created better visibility into our cost structure for the next several quarters, positioning us to expand margins, especially as steel prices continue to improve from recent strike impacted weakness. We are optimistic as forward prices have hovered around US1000 dollars per ton for hot rolled coil in recent days, reflective of the pent up demand and low inventory levels at certain customers. Speaker 200:06:51Next, I'd like to update you on our progress during the quarter on our transformational EAF project. This will ultimately increase our throughput capacity by roughly a third From 2,800,000 tons per year of liquid steelmaking capacity by conventional means today to 3,700,000 tons employing dual EAF furnaces upon completion. The higher output will match our expanded downstream finishing capacity as we increase throughput at our plate mill. Importantly, this will improve overall product mix while simultaneously lowering our carbon emissions by approximately 70% when fully operational. When factoring in the makeup of our power supply when we switch to EAF operations, We expect to be one of the greenest producers of steel in North America. Speaker 200:07:45During the quarter, Cumulative investment in the EAF project reached $456,000,000 or 54% of our expected total project cost at the midpoint of our project budget. We have made meaningful progress since quarter end securing uncontracted portions of expected project cost. And as of today, approximately 80% of the total project budget is under contract. We expect to contract the remainder of the project budget by the end of March 2024. Furthermore, it is important to point out that as of now only 5% of the total contracted amount is subject to time and material adjustments, meaning the vast majority is under fixed price terms. Speaker 200:08:31This demonstrates significant de risking of the EAF project over the past several months as we progress towards the start of commissioning in late calendar 2024. As a reminder, our start up plan continues to include normal production from our existing steelmaking facility, while ramping up steel production from our EAFs in calendar 2025, followed by a complete switch to EAF production. I spoke earlier about our successful efforts to secure Gold and iron ore inputs for our existing operations. And when you think about the inputs for EAF Steelmaking, one of the most important is power. As we mentioned previously, we already have the required power to run the electric arc furnaces at our current run rate of 2,200,000 to 2,400,000 tons of shipments without relying on the blast furnace, utilizing on-site power generation and the current grid. Speaker 200:09:31We can utilize hot metal from the blast furnace opportunistically, which would provide further upside to our current capacity. In this quarter, we received a system impact assessment for the 2nd phase of our project, which means When the local 230 kV line is installed, we can run either EAF unit without running our on-site power plant. Also, subsequent to the quarter end, the Ontario government's announcement and issuance of an order in Council to accelerate regional power infrastructure upgrades provides further assurance for our long term power requirements for our EAF project. All in all, A significant amount of progress has been made, substantially derisking the availability and cost of the power needed for our new EAFs. It's an exciting time in Sault Ste. Speaker 200:10:22Marie as our existing facilities operate normally and work on the EAF accelerates. I'd like to once again thank all of our employees whose execution continues to deliver solid operational and financial results safely, while simultaneously driving the EAF project forward. Now I will pass the call over to Rajat to go over our financial results for the quarter and give more details on the expected funding of our capital expenditures. Rajat? Speaker 300:10:53Thanks, Mike. Good morning and thank you all for joining the call. Our second quarter results included adjusted EBITDA of $81,000,000 which reflects an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.1%. Cash generated from operating activities was $57,200,000 We finished the quarter with $213,600,000 of unrestricted cash And our US300 $1,000,000 revolving credit facility remains undrawn, representing total liquidity in excess of 500,000,000 We have mentioned in our previous calls and included in our strategic direction our focus on financial discipline. We have structured our balance sheet with the only long term debt in the form of government loans linked to our capital projects and maintained a very low leverage profile with ample liquidity to manage through market fluctuations and complete our capital initiatives. Speaker 300:11:56I'll now dive into the key drivers of our performance in the quarter. We shipped 549,000 net tons in the quarter, up 26.1% as compared to the prior year period. Our plate and strip operations continue to run well and our normal seasonal maintenance is occurring as expected, including our annual steelmaking vessel reline. As a reminder, this normal seasonal maintenance typically reduces production by 20000 to 30000 tons. As a result, we would expect our fiscal 3rd quarter production to be lower sequentially as compared to the Fiscal second quarter. Speaker 300:12:39Net sales realizations averaged $12,000,000 $13 per ton, down 4.3% versus the prior year period. The decrease versus the prior year levels primarily reflects overall softer market conditions in the quarter. Plate pricing continued to enjoy a significant premium relative to hot rolled coil during the quarter, driven by resilient demand particularly from pending on infrastructure projects and durable goods. As a reminder, we are the only discrete plate mill in Canada And we look forward to the incremental tons from the plate mill in the calendar Q4 and beyond as a result of the new share installation. Steel revenue in the quarter totaled $665,800,000 up 20.7% versus the same quarter of last year, reflecting the increase in shipments that were more than offset by lower average realization per ton of steel. Speaker 300:13:37On the cost side, Algoma's cost per ton of steel products sold averaged $10.21 in the quarter, down 1.6% versus the prior year period. The main drivers of the decrease versus the prior year period include the positive impact of increased volumes. Versus the prior quarter, our cost of steel products sold were approximately 7% higher attributed to lower volumes, Higher costs related to various raw materials and utility inputs including natural gas and purchased coke. Cash flow from operations totaled $57,200,000 for the quarter compared to a use of $66,100,000 in the prior year period. Our inventories at the quarter end were $822,700,000 up 8.3% during the quarter due to normal seasonal build patterns. Speaker 300:14:32We expect to build inventories further during the calendar Q4 ahead of winter, as we typically do at this point in the year and to release inventories in the first half of calendar twenty twenty four heavily weighted towards the 1st calendar quarter. Now I'd like to provide additional color on our funding plans for the EF project. As previously noted, Our outlook for the total cost of the project remains in the range of $825,000,000 to 875,000,000 To the end of the quarter, we had spent $456,000,000 or 54% of the expected total cost, leaving $394,000,000 to be spent. We are well positioned today when we look at our expected sources for those expenditures. We have cash on hand of over $200,000,000 another $93,000,000 of available capacity on our federal CEP loan and approximately $150,000,000 of cash to be generated from drawing down excess working capital with approximately 70% of this coming in the 4th fiscal quarter and the balance coming in the following fiscal year. Speaker 300:15:44Combined, this exceeds the remaining expected capital requirement to complete the project. With that, I'll turn the call back to Mike Garcia for closing comments. Mike? Speaker 200:15:54Thank you, Rajat. Looking at the state of the North American steel market, hot rolled coil index prices fell approximately 25% in the calendar third quarter as the concerns about and the reality of a UAW strike weighed on the market. Capacity was curtailed at several North American mills as a result and inventories across distributors were drawn down. We do expect this to meaningfully impact EBITDA in the current fiscal as lower prices and lower shipments on account of our planned maintenance outages are felt. Looking further out, as labor settlements have been reached over the last few days, pricing has rapidly moved higher and we have seen forward curve pricing climb to near $1,000 per continues to demonstrate a significant premium as overall demand for plate products remains high, which in turn continues to benefit our average price realizations. Speaker 200:16:59We will relentlessly maintain our primary focus of operational excellence and maintaining prudent financial discipline regardless of volatility in our end markets. This will ensure our ability to execute our EAF project, assuring in the next phase of our company that defines the future of Algoma, provides for the long term value creation of our stakeholders and solidifies our leadership position at the forefront of green steel production in North America. Thank you very much for your continued Operator00:17:43Thank you. And at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. And our first question comes from the line of David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:18:18Thanks. I guess my first one here is for Rajat. Based on kind of your annual buys that you have for your raw materials and your new iron ore contract, do you guys think we've hit peak raw material prices and how should that trend into next year? Speaker 300:18:35Yes. So For coal, definitely it comes down. And I don't know you see how the index fluctuates. So that affects to some extent as we have 2 contracts right now running. But I would say that You're right that we should see cost coming down in the future. Speaker 300:19:03Normally, The winter months have some challenges primarily based on high cost of utilities, Natural gas, power that goes through, but other raw materials should start coming down as we go into the next year. Speaker 400:19:22Okay. And then I guess just sticking with you, Rajat, I mean, if I take a look at your inventory levels, they're still a little bit elevated. They actually saw an uptick in the quarter. Can you just walk us through how those raw materials just or finished product begins to unwind and how much cash we can expect to unlock in the next several quarters? Speaker 300:19:43Sure. So we normally build During December and this is typical and then we'll release in March and then we'll do the same next year. But when you look at March to March March end to March end, we should release Around $100,000,000 in working capital. And I say working capital, it is it includes inventories and Some other on the payable side as they go hand in hand. So you'll see that happening. Speaker 300:20:19And then there is another $50 odd million that we should see in the following year. So we should see that $150,000,000 coming down. It's taking a little longer as I had Mentioned earlier as well that we have inventories which are which will take a little bit longer to run down And this is primarily on the raw material side. On the finished goods and WIP side, As cost comes down, we should see that improving. But from tonnage perspective, we should see some optimization happening. Speaker 400:20:52Got it. And then my last one, it could be for whoever wants to take it. But you typically set your annual contracts around this time, at least that 10% that you typically hold out on. Was this done before the resolution of the UAW strike or post the strike when we saw much better pricing conditions? Speaker 200:21:12David, this is Mike. I think it's happened throughout. It's still happening Now, so it really depends on the specific customer and kind of the historical timeframe. But we definitely began it on the cusp of the strike, but It's continuing to happen as we're speaking. Speaker 400:21:33Okay, perfect. Thank you so much everyone. Operator00:21:39Our next question comes from the line of Katja Jantek with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:21:47Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. First, maybe on the plate side. I think you mentioned that The demand environment remains healthy and prices elevated. But what we're seeing in the U. Speaker 500:21:59S. That one of your peers Has actually announced that they are reducing prices and it seems that the demand environment is softening. Can you talk a bit more, are you seeing a different environment in Canada and how much are you selling into the U. S. Market? Speaker 200:22:19Thanks, Katya. This is Mike. So when you think of our plate book of business, It's the majority of it is in Canada. It's roughly a seventy-thirty split between Canada and the U. S. Speaker 200:22:38And again, I think as reflected in the spread, which still remains Large and actually opened up a bit this week. We're still seeing pretty robust demand for our Plate business, I think there's some segments of the plate market that are maybe under a little bit more pressure than others. I'm sure you saw The cancellation of the wind tower projects, but that's not a segment that we're in. So we still feel relatively confident about the plate spread and where our book of business is. Is that helpful? Speaker 500:23:17Okay. Maybe yes, no, that's super helpful. Thank you for that. And then just on near term cost side, given that the production level is going to Lower this quarter, how should we think about cost per ton? Should they be higher? Speaker 500:23:33Or what are some of the puts and takes there? Speaker 300:23:37Yes. Hi, Katja. So it will be higher just because of the volume. So when you look at puts and takes for the coming quarters, let's say, or the coming quarter at least is that The volume definitely will impact. Other costs are more or less very similar. Speaker 300:23:58Utilities might continue, which is natural gas and power with some pressure on higher pricing. So that's how The next quarter will play out quarter after getting back to normal production levels, which because the outages are out and then you still have the utility pressure and then you get into the summer months where you start getting into much normal situation. So that's how we see the cost playing out over the next Couple of quarters. Speaker 500:24:31Okay. Thank you. I'll hop back into the queue. Operator00:24:38Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillies with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:24:45Hi, everyone. Speaker 500:24:47Hi. Speaker 200:24:48Hi, Ian. With respect Speaker 600:24:50to the play mill modernization and the new If I recall correctly, I think that was supposed to be done at some point during this past quarter. It sounds like it's still ongoing. Has there been some sort of delay there that's impacted volumes or am I misreading the situation? Speaker 200:25:11No. I think what we had mentioned before was hot commissioning was beginning in this quarter and we're Pretty much right on schedule with that project. It is a pretty involved hot commissioning exercise. And so We're still on track as we bring up that shear into more normal production in November and then Consequently, in December and through the Q1 of next year. Speaker 600:25:41Okay. That's helpful. And as you think about once you get past the two Brief outages next year. Do you have a good sense of where you think volumes are going to be post that? Is that number still a bit influx depending on what may happen? Speaker 600:25:57And if you do have a good idea, would you be willing to quantify it for us? Speaker 200:26:02Well, I think what we're aiming for prior to the first outage in April is to roll in a 10% to 15% Increase in our plate business and then building from there. We've The plate business, it's a very important market segment for us. We are spending a lot of time with customers now about and it's really kind of 2 pieces. It's recovering our position at some of our historical plate customers. We had some challenging times last year with the commissioning of the and the start up from Phase 1 of the project. Speaker 200:26:41So we had a little bit of room to recover so to speak, but we've made The type of improvements in quality and promise performance that we believe the customers require of us And now as we bring on more capacity steadily through next year, we'll build our business with The quality and promised performance improvements as well as the increased flow path to handle it. Speaker 600:27:11Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, Mike. If I could just squeeze in one more. With respect to what you're seeing from your customers right now and as it pertains to the rise in HFC How much of it do you think of this run is due to structurally stronger demand? Speaker 600:27:27And how much do you think is tied to inventories being rebuilt because I know buying had been pretty weak? I know it's a tough question to answer, but any commentary there I think would be helpful. Yes. It is a I think it would be helpful. Speaker 200:27:39Yes. It is a tough question to ask. Definitely there is An aspect of it and probably a significant aspect in the early days, the 1st few weeks, couple of months That is tied more to a recovery from the positions people reached during the strike. Inventories were I think at 2 months, which is Quite low. Lead times for the mills were out at 8 weeks for the most part. Speaker 200:28:11So I think the initial Stages of it have been a recovery from the concern and the specific outages tied to The UAW strike, I think going forward is where it will really kind of demonstrate whether The rest of it any further pricing beyond where we're reaching now will I think be more tied to Metal demand and economic activity. Speaker 600:28:44Understood. Thanks very much. That's helpful. I'll turn the call back over. Operator00:28:52And our next question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:28:58Thank you very much, operator. Thank you very much for taking my question. The first one is circling back on annual contracts. And With the decline in raw material costs in 2024, would you expect the margin on annual contracts to increase or stay the same, go down? Would appreciate your perspective on that. Speaker 700:29:18Thank you. Speaker 300:29:20Sure. The contracts that we do are mostly index based. And there is a very small amount that's on fixed price where you see That's happening. But overall, we should see margins improving because costs should get optimized And if the pricing remains at the level it is or lower, we should see higher margins. So relatively, margins will be Because the cost comes down, but our most of our contracts are index based, so it's heavily based On how the pricing moves throughout the year. Speaker 700:30:06Got it. And thank you for that. And can you remind us roughly what percentage would be fixed versus floating? Speaker 300:30:15We normally do around 5% or so fixed And of our total book and we normally do contracts around 50% to 60%. So 5% is fixed and the balance is all floating based on monthly and quarterly contracts. Speaker 700:30:36Very helpful. Thank you for that. And then my second question is on your coke procurement during the transition phase. Can you remind us what the strategy varies? What would you expect the mix to look like? Speaker 700:30:50And Any possible savings on the capital side as you transition? Thank you very much for your color. Speaker 200:31:02Yes, Lucas. So we're we continue to maximize production from our internal coke batteries And we continue to spend critically required capital to maintain those batteries in a safe operating Condition. But the fact remains, even when they're running very well, we are still short of Coke. So we'll continue To purchase Coke externally as we've done in the past, we always try to minimize that number, but we expect that To go forward into the future and we've gotten a little bit of a benefit here recently because the market price of coke has come down Pretty significantly. But our approach remains the same. Speaker 200:31:49We've had to maintain the batteries even though they don't have A long life or a life for us beyond our final transition to EAF production, but we're still spending some amount of required sustaining capital to keep them safe and operating profit properly. Speaker 800:32:09Does that help? Speaker 700:32:10It does. I do have a follow-up question. There's talk of some potential idling of Blast Furnace coke making capacity in the sorry, Blast Furnace capacity in 2020 So I would think that overall there's more coke available from a merchant basis. Is that tempting or when you kind of think about, you just answered the question before that you want to kind of maximize your internal needs, but Is there a point where that can switch and where it makes more sense to buy more coke on a merchant basis? Speaker 200:32:49Yes. I think at the end of the day, It comes down to economics. So we have to have a good understanding of our internal coke production cost including The yield loss that you'll get in coke when you buy it externally and transport it here, but certainly if the economics Change significantly in that decision internal production versus external purchase. That's something we'll be tracking and be aware of and prepared to act Got it. Speaker 700:33:19And how quickly could a switch occur? Is that a decision you have to kind of make once a year? Or can you be flexible as the year progresses and supply demand changes? Speaker 300:33:34Yes. No, we can be pretty Pretty quick in that. It's not within days, but probably within months we can switch. We don't have to wait for a year Because we what we do is that we do contract out based on our optimum production internally. And if we have to If we have to switch that based on opportunity available in the market to buy at a price which offsets our own production, then you have then Then we have that flexibility and we can move quickly within months. Speaker 700:34:09Very helpful. Really appreciate all the color and continue best of luck. Thank you. Speaker 200:34:14Thanks Lucas. Operator00:34:17And our next question comes from the line of Ahmad Shah with Beacon Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:34:27Hi, guys. Just maybe a quick one for me on the EAF project. Did I read that right? Is the hybrid scenario is not on play anymore and you guys are going to start Commission on both the ARFs, given the what your thoughts on the connectivity? Speaker 200:34:51No, I think hybrid is definitely still in play, but what we mentioned was that we wanted to Emphasize that we will be able to match our current output with only running EAF's coal charge and the power that is available Today and with the recent decisions by IESO and the completion of the system So there's been a full kind of understanding of the impact of our power demand and the nature of it by The operator of the grid in Ontario and they've issued some conclusions based on that. However, we still have the optionality to continue to run our blast furnaces and take advantage of hot metal From those blast furnaces at a reduced blast furnace rate to augment our production through the EAFs If we want to increase the total amount of steel produced and again that will go back to the economics and And how that decision looks from an economic perspective? Speaker 800:36:03Got it. That's very helpful. And maybe a little bit related on that. On the carbon I saw the at least from an income statement perspective, the number was a little bit higher, but it doesn't look like It had a big impact on your cash flow. So maybe that's one for Rajat, just to walk us through as we go forward, How should we think about that on the blast furnaces continue to operate? Speaker 300:36:36Sorry, Amit. Can you repeat the question, Aye? Speaker 800:36:40Yes. I'm just trying to understand the potential impact on your cash flow from the carbon tax Hey, man. Because it was substantial in this quarter, somewhat at $12,000,000 I haven't seen that number in a while. So maybe help us explain why it's a little bit bigger, but from a cash flow perspective, it doesn't look like it impacted the operating cash flow. So I'm just trying to understand I would get back two numbers. Speaker 300:37:04Got it. I thought government tax. So yes, carbon tax, so the way to look at carbon tax is We have roughly we roughly pay on 5% of our emissions, which is roughly 200,000 tons and the price For last year is for this year is 50 and for next year it goes up by another 15. So that's how the total cash out comes out and normally the cash out goes in November. From accounting perspective, it was based on the estimates that come out until the time they are finalized, Those estimates are looked at and the accounting happens, and that's how you see a big number coming in In this quarter, which is the September quarter. Speaker 300:37:55But for from cash out perspective and total expense perspective, it still remains A simple math of roughly 200,000 tons on an average and the price Yes, on what we need to pay it on. Speaker 800:38:14Thank you. That's very helpful. And last one for me. If I heard you correctly, you do expect margins to improve, but because of the volume situation in fiscal Q3, we should expect a small dip and then Calendar 2024's margin should start improving. Speaker 300:38:32Correct. Speaker 800:38:33Perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:38:40We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Michael Garcia for closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:49Thank you again for your participation in our Q2 fiscal 2024 earnings conference call and for your continued interest in Algoma Steel. We look forward to updating you on our results and progress when we report our fiscal 3rd quarter results scheduled for February. Operator00:39:09And this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for yourRead morePowered by