M/I Homes Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 2, 2023

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Shake Shack Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Michael Arriolo, Senior Director at P and A and IR.

Operator

Thank you, sir. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Joining me for Shake Shack's conference call is our CEO, Randy Geruti and CFO, Katie Fogarty. During today's call, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance. The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release and the financial Some of today's statements may be forward looking and actual results may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those discussed in our annual report on Form 10 ks filed on February 23, 2023.

Speaker 1

Any forward looking statements represent our views only as of today, and we assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements if our views change. By now, you should have access to our Q3 2023 shareholder letter, which can be found at investor. Shakeshack.com in the quarterly results section or as an exhibit to our 8 for the quarter. I will now turn the call over to Randy.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. We're really proud of the team's strong and sustained execution of our Shake Shack remains laser focused on profitable growth. This quarter, we grew total revenue by 21% to $276,000,000 with 2.3% growth in same Shack sales. We achieved average weekly sales of 74,000 trailing 12 month AUV across our Shacks at $3,900,000 We grew system wide sales by 24% year over year to $439,000,000 as we build Shacks across new and existing markets. Sales began the quarter strong in July, Moderated a bit through the end of the quarter in September.

Speaker 2

However, October has reaccelerated with same Shack sales over 3.5% as we increased various digital and in Shack marketing initiatives driving October traffic well above September trend. In the quarter, we continue to improve profitability, increasing Shack margins over 20% again with expansion of 400 basis points year over year. Grew 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA by nearly $16,000,000 to $36,000,000 up over 80% year over year. We improved our adjusted EBITDA margins by 430 basis points, growing from 8.7% last year to now 13%. We also continue to grow our footprint around the globe, opening 25 Shacks in the 3rd quarter, 10 company operated and 15 with our license partners.

Speaker 2

And we're on a path to open approximately 80 Shacks this year system wide, roughly 18% unit growth and we are building a robust pipeline of growth in the coming years. Our license business continues to perform and we see tremendous white space in this highly accretive and asset light part of our business. We expect to open approximately 40 Shacks this year and approximately 40 more in 2024. And with a fair amount of global macro and geopolitical headwinds, we expect to navigate a more Challenging environment in the coming years. And this is why we've built a diverse portfolio domestically and around the globe to help offset regional volatility.

Speaker 2

We'll move deeper in existing markets with proven and newer formats like drive through as well as enter several new markets in the coming year. In our company operated business, We've opened 30 Shacks so far this year, well on our way to open approximately 40 before year end. Looking ahead, we have 20 Shacks under construction. If you recall last year, we had a much more heavily weighted Q4. We're really proud of the team for better executing a balanced year with a strong class of 'twenty three.

Speaker 2

And our 2024 pipeline is solid as we target approximately 40 new openings next year. We're also working through new prototypes for the long term with 2024 target to bring down our net investment costs by about 10% from today's average costs. Now let me give you an update on how we're tracking on our strategic plan. Our first priority has been on recruiting, rewarding and retaining a winning team. And similar to what we reported last quarter, we've achieved some of the best turnover and retention numbers we've seen.

Speaker 2

And we're generating more than twice the team member applicant flow compared to last year. Not only are our team members staying longer, we're constantly exploring avenues to enhance their experience and provide more opportunities for career growth within the company. Our second priority So relentless focus on our guest experience. We continue to execute a broad culinary strategy of improving our core menu, while delivering exceptional LTOs that keep operations running smoothly and efficiently. In July, we offered our Bourbon Bacon Burger, which sold out quickly at the start of August.

Speaker 2

We pivoted to marketing a core menu favorite, our avocado bacon burger and chicken sandwich before launching our hot chicken and spicy Shack Meister burger at the start of September. And while guest reception for our current hot menu has been solid, we do have a tougher compare towards the end of the quarter as we lap last year's launch of our Hot Ones LTO, which started off especially strong due to the very high number of media impressions we received with that partnership. We've also been featuring Spicy Fries, one of our strongest fry LTOs to date. Our lemonade lineup featuring Harvest Berry, Cherry Hibiscus and Kiwi Apple has also resonated well with As we look to the rest of the Q4, we're excited about additional brand building opportunities in culinary, including our holiday shake lineup that just hit Shacks yesterday. We've teamed up with Universal Studios for their launch of the Trolls 3 movie, Trolls Band Together.

Speaker 2

And we'll be serving a series of shakes based on characters in the movie, Highlighting Poppy's Sugar Cookie complete with blue and pink cotton candy topper that resembles the iconic Trolls hair. Branches Chocolate Peppermint and Viva Cinnamon Roll is our 1st national offering in partnership with a movie and we're excited for these delicious and fun shakes just in time for the holidays. Many of our Shacks are proximate to movie theaters giving us the opportunity to benefit and play a unique role in partnering with films. And we have an engaging marketing strategy lined up around Trolls including bold messaging, advertising in many Shacks as well as social media activations. Some of our Shacks will even have special activations for kids this weekend including glitter bars, coloring stations and photo booths.

Speaker 2

Our third priority, our targeted development strategy and improving returns on our Shacks. Our recent openings have performed well, including a number of drive thrus as we continue to learn more about what makes an optimal Shake Shack drive thru site and build out. We opened 4 more drive thrus in the quarter and 1 in October through Washington State, Utah and Texas, bringing the total to 21 company operated. We continue to score well with our guests on overall satisfaction and order accuracy, and we're proud to win an Innovation by Design Award from Fast Company highlighting our team's work. That said, we know in drive thru and in Shacks generally, some of our biggest areas of improvement remain consistency, speed and throughput.

Speaker 2

And this is going to be a big focus for our designs and operational improvements through 2024. Our license business showed strong performance overall in the quarter as we opened our 1st resort Shack in the Bahamas at the Atlantis with a dramatic format that includes a full service bar. Later in the quarter, we opened our 2nd Shack within Incheon Airport in Seoul, and we continued deepening our footprint in China. Our domestic licensed Shacks performed well, driven by continued strength in U. S.

Speaker 2

Airports and the opening of 4 more domestic roadside Shacks, which we believe can be a growth opportunity for us. We remain highly confident in the long term trajectory of our license business, but we do expect The geopolitical pressures and uncertainty namely in the Middle East and Asia could present pressures into the Q4 and into 'twenty four in terms of our number of openings and sales. Our 4th priority, driving more profit in our Shacks. The team is doing really great work, focusing on the profitability opportunities in our restaurants. We expanded our Q3 restaurant margin by 400 basis points year over year to 20.4%, our 2nd consecutive quarter where our restaurant margin and grew back above 20%, showcasing the continued progression of our strategic priorities.

Speaker 2

We're winning share in our own more profitable channels. Our kiosk rollout has made our best channel even better from a profitability and guest experience perspective. There are many pressures that lay ahead, including an unknown consumer backdrop and beef inflation. However, we are focused on driving continued improvements that help us outperform historical patterns in light of these cross currents. And finally, the 5th pillar of our plan, as we build an enduring business, we are committed to investing with discipline.

Speaker 2

We're deploying capital towards strong returns in 4 main areas: building Shacks, updating current Shacks, investing in digital infrastructure and structuring our home office capabilities to support our restaurants. We're moving purposefully to address opportunities in the supply chain, operations, leveraging G and A and long term cost to build. We remain committed to reducing build costs next year by about 10% as well as pre opening costs by at least 10% per Shack as we continue to lead with disciplined capital allocation in 'twenty four and beyond. We're excited to see our strategic plan driving improvements as we continue the evolution of Shake Shack. We remain one of the fastest growing publicly traded restaurant companies and we're growing profitably while strengthening our brand and our opportunity ahead.

Speaker 2

I'll now hand it off to Katie to share more about the details of the quarter and expectations for the Q4.

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you. Good morning. We're pleased with the company's performance in the Q3 as we drove a material 400 basis points of margin expansion and grew adjusted EBITDA by more than 80% year over year to 13% of total revenue. That's a 430 basis point improvement versus last year's levels.

Speaker 3

While industry trends remain challenging, we built our 2023 priorities as a roadmap to deliver improvements in our profitability and cash flow even against a less certain consumer spending backdrop and ongoing inflationary pressures. Our momentum has picked up in October with 3.5% same Shack sales and approximately flat traffic, a meaningful improvement since September, and we are strategically executing opportunities to drive profitable traffic growth across our Shacks. On to our 3rd quarter results. Total revenue was $276,200,000 up 21.2% year over year, driven by strong performance in new Shack openings system wide and positive same Shack sales. We grew system wide sales by 24.3% year over year to a record high of $438,900,000 We ended the quarter with 4.95 Shacks system wide, up 23.1% year over year with approximately 40 of our system wide sales in the quarter generated by our license business and about 60% from our company operated Shacks.

Speaker 3

In license, we are executing ahead of plan and are pleased with the many strong recent Shack openings as we entered new markets and deepened our presence in existing markets. In the Q3, along with our license partners, we opened 15 new Shacks, growing our total licensed Shack count to 215. We grew sales by 30.1 percent year over year to $173,900,000 We've opened 39 Shacks our license business year to date, and we're targeting opening about 40 in fiscal 2023. On the company operated side, we grew Shack sales 20.7% year over year to $265,000,000 supported by 10 Shack openings, including 4 drive thrus, Plus the continued strong performance of recent NSOs and 2.3% year over year growth in same Shack sales. Our sales cadence in the quarter resembled more of a normal return to pre COVID seasonality than we've seen in recent years with a stronger July than softening in August and September.

Speaker 3

Pre COVID, September sales typically fell seasonally from August levels around back to school. In more recent years, traffic patterns between August September quarter with a particularly rainy East Coast and the hurricane in Southern California, which we believe together represented a loss of approximately $500,000 in sales. We lapped some digital marketing promotions from last year and comped over the highly successful Hot Ones LTO at the end of the quarter. But importantly, We are encouraged by the momentum we saw in October. Despite transitioning from high single digit to now low single digit menu price, October Same Shack sales grew 3.5% with approximately flat traffic and positive Same Shack sales growth both in Shack and in our digital business.

Speaker 3

Traffic also improved in all of our regions compared to September levels with the strongest improvement seen in our Northeast and Mid Atlantic regions. October AWS of 74,000 grew 1.4% year over year. We continue to drive more guests back to in Shack dining, and we're also leaning into various strategies in marketing and operations to navigate these uncertain macro waters, with opportunities to pulse on value added offers in our own and third party digital channels. We're still focusing on our premium ingredients and delivering hospitality as well as further optimizing our four well performance. We've seen strong returns from our free Friday promotion and our afternoon Plus, we've had opportunities to dive deeper in select markets with performance marketing strategies, all of which are driving traffic and sales into our own channels.

Speaker 3

We grew 3rd quarter Same Shack sales for our in Shack channel by approximately 9%, with benefits from high single digit menu price, continued tailwinds from our kiosk retrofit program and positive traffic growth. Mixed headwinds improved sequentially from the Q2, aided by strong demand for our premium sandwich and spicy fry offerings. Kiosk sales now represent well over half of our in Shack sales and are up more than 140 basis points year over year. Kiosk is our highest margin channel and we remain very pleased with the at least high single digit check lift we're seeing with this order mode versus traditional cashier sales in the Shack. We're also testing some new capabilities to continue to drive enhanced upsell in this channel, which is now our largest order mode across our in the company operated store base.

Speaker 3

Net stronger in Shack trends helped offset some of the pressure from seasonality and lapping digital promotions, driving a positive 2.3 percent Same Shack sales and negative 4.2 percent traffic. Shack level operating profit was $54,000,000 or 20.4 percent of Shack sales, that's 400 basis points better versus last year, despite continued inflationary pressures across our 4 well P and L as we delivered the strongest flow through our restaurants have seen in over 2 years. Food and paper costs were $77,200,000 or 29.1 percent of Shack sales, down 180 basis points versus last year and up 10 basis points versus the 2nd quarter. Blended food and paper inflation rose mid single digits year over year, led by beef up low double digits and continued inflationary pressures in buns, chicken, plus fry costs up more than 15% year over year. Paper and packaging costs decreased low single digits year over year as we benefited from a lower degree of off premise mix.

Speaker 3

Last quarter, we shared that our supply chain team was working on opportunities to help offset persistent inflationary pressures. From adding new vendors to improving freight, we have already identified and are executing against some of these strategies. Most of these cost savings will come later in the Q4 and in 2024, but we are deep in a body of work to identify additional areas for continued and meaningful improvements through 2024 and beyond. Labor and related expenses were $76,200,000 or 28.8 percent of Shack sales, down 60 basis points versus last year and up 10 basis points quarter over quarter. We continue to leverage our labor strategies that we outlined last quarter, including improved forecasting and labor scheduling and driving broader kiosk adoption.

Speaker 3

You might recall that we as well as the broader industry faced some very real staffing pressures in the second half of last year. We have a significantly improved staffing backdrop here today with the best hourly and manager retention that we've seen in years. But even with this more pronounced seasonality pressures in the quarter and a marked improvement in staffing levels, which is more people available for shifts, Our new scheduling capabilities and management have allowed us to be more efficient with our labor usage. We are proud of the progress here, But it's also important to note that we have delivered this improvement despite the many headwinds that add to our overall labor costs, including the larger degree of team members needed to Our dining rooms with the return of in check traffic and our commitment to improving the guest experience as well as the significant wage investments we've made in our team members. But importantly, we're not resting here.

Speaker 3

We expect to continue to show benefits from these improvements in labor strategies that set our team members, Our managers and our Shacks are up for success in the coming years, with improvements on deployment, refinements to the order journey and more scalable and consistent processes. As we scale, we have a greater diversity of formats from larger drive throughs to streamline food courts and a variation in menu and channel mix across our restaurants. On top of efficiencies like kiosk, it's the right time to refine and evolve our labor model as well as a broader staffing and deployment standards. This work is rooted in end time and motion studies and various variables that will help us to staff to best optimize the unique needs of each of our Shacks. This will give our operators much improved tools and we will update you as we test and roll this new staffing system out to the Shacks this quarter and into 2024.

Speaker 3

We plan for this methodology to also enhance how we train and open our Shacks and reduce the overall drag on our P and L from new Shack openings as we aim to reach optimal profitability at a much faster pace than today's performance. Other operating expenses 37,300,000 or 14.1 percent of Shack sales, down 120 basis points from the Q3 of 2022. Our strategy to reduce R and M expenditures has lowered this expense per store week by $300 year over year. We also benefited from lower delivery commission expenses per store week as more guests returned to in check dining, but we're anticipating that delivery sales will pick up in the 4th quarter in line with recent historical patterns. Occupancy and related expenses were $20,300,000 or 7.7 percent of Shack sales, down 20 basis points from last year's levels.

Speaker 3

All in, we are very pleased with the level of margin improvement we delivered in the quarter, We continue to build back our profitability, which is vital for our long term growth. G and A was 30,900,000 Excluding $200,000 in severance costs, G and A was $30,700,000 or 11.1 percent of total revenue, 70 basis points favorable to last year. We showed strong leverage on this line in the quarter with G and A ex severance expense up just 14.1% year over year versus total revenue that grew 21.2% year over year and system wide sales up 24.3% year over year. We continue to believe that we have a meaningful opportunity to make greater investments in our direct marketing spend to drive sustainable long term traffic growth. As we continue to show progress in leveraging home office G and A investments, we'll look to open up additional funds to invest in strategies to drive traffic, while also still delivering on our strategic priorities to invest with discipline and enhance our cash position.

Speaker 3

Preopening costs were $5,000,000 in the quarter, up 63.4% year over year as we opened 10 Shacks in the quarter versus only 2 in the Q3 of last year. We are seeing higher preopening expenses per Shack due to an increase in labor expenses, other operating expenses and occupancy. A majority of preopening expense is non cash of preopening occupancy expense is non cash rent, and we're seeing higher costs here driven by extended opening timelines. We're also experiencing elevated labor and other operating expenses, most of which are impacted by development pipeline pushes around items including utilities and availability of critical equipment needed at the end of a project that can cause unanticipated delays in opening. We have plans in place around development, training and operations to get tighter on execution here as we target lowering our preopening by at least 10% per Shack in 2024 versus this year's levels and further opportunity to lower these costs in the coming years.

Speaker 3

With a combination of strong four well performance and disciplined spending in G and A and other places, we grew adjusted EBITDA by more than 80% year over year to $35,800,000 or 13 percent of total revenue, up from 8.7% of total revenue last year. In the quarter, depreciation was $23,100,000 up 24% year over year as we continue to invest in new Shacks in our business. We realized net income attributable to Shake Shack Inc. Of $7,600,000 or $0.19 per diluted share. We reported an adjusted pro form a net income of $7,500,000 or $0.17 per fully exchanged and diluted share.

Speaker 3

Our adjusted pro form a tax rate, excluding the impact of equity based compensation, was 12%. Finally, our balance sheet remained solid with 2.85 in cash and cash equivalents and marketable securities at the end of the quarter, a decrease from $295,200,000 in the prior quarter, representing a material improvement in our cash usage versus last year despite having opened more than twice the number of Shacks by the end of the Q3 compared to last year. In fact, our Q3 CapEx declined 3% year over year to $38,300,000 with new Shack CapEx representing the majority of the spend followed by our IT spend. We invested more to maintain our Shacks as our early generation fleet ages and completed the bulk of the expenses around the kiosk retrofit program. These investments were somewhat offset by a lower degree of CapEx investments in our digital business as we scale our current offerings and leverage in Shack dining experiences.

Speaker 3

In the last few years, our CapEx has been elevated due to the higher cost for new Shack builds, Heavy investments to build our digital platforms as we went from effectively no digital sales pre COVID to approximately 30% of our business currently. And we executed a number of special projects, including the rollout of our kiosk retrofit program. But we're committed to bringing the net cost to build of our 24 class down by about 10% next year as a starting point and we're also finding efficiencies in other areas of CapEx spend including IT. Now onto guidance, which reflects a degree of uncertainty around the spending outlook and inflationary headwinds. This range does not reflect Any unknown additional delays to our development schedule or any changes to the macro landscape beyond what we are experiencing today.

Speaker 3

For the Q4, we guide total revenue of $276,250,000 to $281,750,000 With $10,250,000 to $10,750,000 of licensing revenue, approximately 14 company operated openings, Approximately 5 licensed Shack openings and for Same Shack sales to be up low single digits year over year with low single digit menu price and relatively consistent mix trends in the Q4 as we had in the 3rd. Our guidance for the full quarter to achieve low single digit Same Shack sales assumes we return to more typical seasonality patterns in November December. While we're not providing guidance Beyond the Q4, just a reminder that we will lap the popular White Truffle Burger LTO starting in February. This was our most expensive LTO ever and drove traffic, so lapping it will likely be a headwind to our traffic price and mix. We have a strong LTO lineup planned for next year.

Speaker 3

However, we're going to be keeping an eye on this tougher compare. We're guiding 4Q restaurant margins to be approximately 19%. Our guidance for the Q4 is a material improvement from historical seasonality and reflects the least amount of menu price we have carried since early 2021 despite ongoing inflationary pressures. Historically, our 4th quarter average weekly sales have been the lower end of seasonality and Shack level operating Food and paper inflation to be up mid single digits year over year, driven by beef up mid teens. We expect labor inflation to be in the low single digit range year over year.

Speaker 3

Our full year 2023 guidance calls for total revenue of approximately $1,080,000,000 growing about 20% year over year, same Shack sales to grow by mid single digit with high single digit price, we expect Licensing revenue to reach $40,500,000 to $41,000,000 restaurant margins of 19.7% to 20%, That's 220 basis points to 250 basis points improvement from last year's levels. We guide 2023 G and A of $125,000,000 to 128,000,000 This is absent the $3,500,000 in non recurring costs that are excluded from adjusted EBITDA year to date. At the midpoint, G and A would be 11.7% of Total revenue, that's approximately 90 basis points of leverage versus 2022 levels. Other guidance points, we are lowering our equity based expectation expectations to approximately $16,000,000 guiding pre open to be $17,000,000 to $19,000,000 depreciation of 88 $93,000,000 and adjusted pro form a tax, excluding the impact of equity based compensation to be 16% to 18%. Altogether, based on our performance so far this year, we are raising our fiscal 2023 adjusted EBITDA to $125,000,000 to 130,000,000 representing approximately 70% to 80% growth year over year.

Speaker 3

Thank you, and I'll turn it back to Randy.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Katie. I want to end today's call with a moment of celebration as well as sharing our focus heading into 2024. Last week, our team celebrated the opening of our 5 100th Shake Shack globally. On behalf of our entire team, past, present and future, this milestone means so much to us, and the organization is incredibly excited for the possibilities that lay ahead. Now here's a quick snapshot of where the team is aligning our focus and strategic plan for 2024.

Speaker 2

First, our core focus will be on delivering a consistent guest experience. We know our guests love the Shack. Our next phase of growth has to be more consistent We'll be working to improve throughput, speed and consistency across all our Shacks, focusing on a back to basics operation strategy of excellence in every interaction. 2nd, we'll grow sales and strengthen our brand. As we've grown Shacks at 33 states in 18 countries and with many more to come, our brand is incredibly strong.

Speaker 2

And in 2024, we'll focus on driving that even further and deeper around the globe, connecting with our fans in new ways that can drive traffic, sales and brand awareness. 3rd, we'll continue our journey to making Shake Shack even more profitable. We remain committed to improving Shack margins into next year expense discipline in all areas of the company, including G and A, and to ensuring profitable growth as we scale. We'll be honing in on near and long term strategies to scale our supply chain, improve our labor and efficiency in Shacks, improve our throughput to maximize peak sale hours and improve profitability across channels. We believe there are several opportunities to continue to grow long term profitability.

Speaker 2

We're doubling down on those strategies in Q24 and beyond. 4th, we'll optimize and improve how we build and open Shacks while retaining the exceptional experience Shake Shack is known for. We're on our way towards new prototypes and standards throughout our future Shack classes that are lower costs over time and create an improved guest and team member experience while driving strong returns on capital. And finally, we will continue our lead focus on developing and rewarding High performing teams. Our people lead everything we do, every burger, every interaction and every feeling that Shake Shack creates and we'll continue to invest in them.

Speaker 2

Teams looking forward to what's ahead. And we hope we see you soon for a hot chicken and a Troll shake this holiday season. With that, operator, we'll go ahead and open up the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from Ryan Vaccaro with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Thank you and good morning. I have two questions just on

Speaker 4

the development side, kind of from 2 different angles. First, You talked about opportunities to improve operations, throughput, etcetera that you'll be studying as you go through 2024. Could you add any further context just on where some of those opportunities might be? Perhaps you could comment on maybe how much variability There is in the system today, maybe the gap between the most efficient units, least efficient units, of course, for controlling for sales. Maybe just start there, if we could.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Brian. Look, there's a lot we've always relatively still a small company, right? We're just around 300 company operated restaurants, not quite In the United States and over that time, you end up with various, eras of kitchen design and of overall restaurant design. Where we're headed is kind of 2 pronged approach.

Speaker 2

We've got to look at the continued build of the Shack of the future, bringing down that cost and really aligning on the best longer term kitchen design. Most of our opportunity will come through how we move food through our kitchen and the flow of expediting, how we make things is not going to change, right? We have standards of our premium ingredients and the way that we cook We expect to continue, but we can do it faster. We can do it better. We can do it with a greater sense of urgency more often.

Speaker 2

And it takes for us some of the steps of focus. Number 1, making it making throughput and speed. This has not been things that has been our core focus in the past. And I think it's the thing that operations and our teams are really working on right now to say, hey, it's going to be about this in 2024. It's going to be about every second of the day watching this, making sure we're consistent and knowing that a Shake Shack guest Can count on what they're going to get when they come.

Speaker 2

And we know there's variability. I don't think there's an easy way to answer the second part of your question, which is, well, is it about sales? Is it about Lower sales versus higher sales. I mean, anyone who's worked in restaurants their whole life can tell you the easiest thing in the world to do is run a busy restaurant. The hardest thing to do is one that's sometimes busy and not busy other times.

Speaker 2

And so I don't think there's an immediate correlation other than got to have the right staffing models. Katie talked a lot about that, which we are continuing to get better at. And we've got some new systems that we're Putting in place from a lot of learning and work through this year, making sure we've got ACEs in places as we call it and the team's doing the right thing at the right time. So I think there's just a ton of opportunity there. It's where we're going to focus and we're just going to continue to look at everything we can to simplify where we can and move our guests through a consistent experience.

Speaker 2

And that is kind of the that is what you heard very clearly today is what we are focused on for next year.

Speaker 4

All right. That's great. And thinking about the second lens, sort of the opportunity to lower development costs, An expected 10% decline in 2024 is a nice down payment, but I'm assuming there was only so much you could do given the lead times Pipelines, etcetera. I guess looking out a few years beyond that, is there any way to ballpark a reasonable expectation on where your net development cost could land 3 years from now. Is low-2s Reasonable, maybe sub-two, is there any way to dimensionalize that or too early at this point?

Speaker 2

Well, I think what we're going to guide to is what we've said today, which is we think this year was the high watermark. We believe we can take that down by about 10%. There's a number of ways we're going to do Right. It starts with format, choice and design. We've got new prototypes for our drive thru.

Speaker 2

We've learned so much with the 20 that are 21 that are open and more. And we know we can take down those costs. We've designed that new prototype. We're going to begin to build it, but that takes time. As you said, the restaurants will open next year in 2024.

Speaker 2

We're designed in 2022 identified in 2021 in many cases and you've got to catch up to that backlog. You can't just tomorrow change and put together a new prototype. There will be elements of cost savings that you're going to start to see in 2024, which is what we're committed to with our 10% decline. As we look ahead, we're committed to continuing to take that down. What we got to make sure though is that we continue to balance the formats, right?

Speaker 2

As we learn and build drive throughs, those are more expensive. They will get less expensive for us as we build a better prototype, but we believe that that should be some part of our class As we move forward, and we'll keep doing that opportunistically. As we build our core Shacks, the kind of Shacks that you know of for the majority of the things we've built over We believe we have opportunity to bring those down and that's what our classes in 2024. And as we look ahead to 2025 and getting a strong pipeline, We're committed to continuing that work. And look, what's unknown is continued inflationary pressures.

Speaker 2

We're finally starting to see, I would say, A little bit of lightning on the contractor side of the pressures that you for really hard to build restaurants. You follow all companies, everybody is still in the same thing. There are literally still today restaurants where you're struggling to get the final HVAC equipment or electrical panels and those things. I expect those pressures to lessen quite a bit in these coming years. And hopefully that will help us towards these goals.

Speaker 2

So yes, you hear our commitment loud and clear. We're not going to give a number Past next year. And by the way, I want to call out too, we also talked about preopening costs. We know that's a number we're focused on that we can and will do better next year and believe there's opportunity beyond that as well.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sarah Senatore with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi. This is Catherine Griffin on for Sarah. Thanks for the question. I think first, I just wanted to ask about some of the restaurant level margin components in the 3rd quarter, Specifically on restaurant other operating expense, looks like that was down year over year as a percent of sales. So curious how much of that was leverage In restaurant sales versus delivery, which I think has higher margins?

Speaker 5

And then also just on food margins a little bit better than Is that a function of sales mix or commodities a little bit more favorable?

Speaker 3

Great. Hi. So on Other OpEx, we did have a lower we did have a benefit from a lower delivery mix in the quarter, but we also Had some pretty good savings on things like R and M and lower T and E expenses, which contributed to that outperformance In the quarter, we've been just doing a lot in line with our strategic plan with better managing that expense line in our restaurants from Not only improving the profitability in our 3rd party delivery channels, but also through R and M strategies of replacing equipment that was Aging and more expense discipline within our restaurants, just showing some nice performance on that side. On the food side, we did have a benefit from higher menu price. I will say though that beef inflation did pick up especially towards the end of the quarter And that is one that we are watching here as we've guided for kind of mid teens level of inflation into year end.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. And then, Katie, I actually was curious about some of your earlier comments just on scaling some of the digital investments that you've made. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more just about the timeline, I guess, how long it's taken to Achieve some of those like scale benefits from investments and then how do you measure return on investment for some of that, for those digital initiatives?

Speaker 3

Yes. So on scaling digital, bringing back a little bit of the history of our digital journey, Starting in 2019, if you go back to that level, we had a very low digital mix as a company. And with everything that happened with COVID, we accelerated a lot of investments on that side, drove a pretty Healthy digital mix, which was really critical for the company during times when guests were not going to the dining rooms as much. But as we've seen more of that return to normal, return to in check experience, that really aided by kiosks as well. It really has changed the pace of investment needed to support this business.

Speaker 3

So kind of going from nothing to the great That we have today required a level of commitment. And now where we are today is on making sure that we are Being very disciplined with how we're supporting that and also still investing for our growth. So if you look at kind of what we've done with, kiosks and the retrofit program on that side And how we're investing more there, on upsell capabilities and better software and a better experience for that guest. We're doing that in a way that is more cost efficient and will scale over time. I think it's important to note too that Digital businesses require some level of upkeep, and that's just something that's going to as we are a digital leader in the space, that's just something that's going to be part of our CapEx and we're working on strategies and executing on strategies to be more efficient on that side.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Henderson with Northcoast Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, congratulations on a great quarter. Just wanted to talk a little bit more about pricing. I think a lot of your competitors have taken their menu Price is up 3%, 4% this quarter. Just wondering how you're looking at pricing, if you have room to take that up further In the quarter or into 2024 as you start getting more visibility on inflation? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Jim. We've definitely been cautious for the history of the company. Obviously, we're rolling off a high single digit from last year. We We took about 1%, just a small price increase, in October end of October.

Speaker 2

And I think we're looking at it now to say where do some of these inflationary pressures go. We continue to see increases in our fries And beef obviously is the biggest part of the basket that we're looking at. And we'll continue to look at price as a lever that We may need to take, we feel good about the current value scores. But like anything, I mean, I think everyone, whether it's every restaurant, retail, you see a lot of Cautiousness in the consumer, and we just want to be careful there. We want to make sure we're building this company not just for this next quarter, but for very long term.

Speaker 2

And we want to make sure we're looking at all of our channels and where pricing might go there. And I think we'll take another look at that probably in the Q1, but we're not guiding yet at this time And how we will take anything. We're rolling kind of a low single digit right now for the next 6 months or so. And we'll keep an eye on that as we go. But we'll be looking at 2024 and taking price where we need to.

Speaker 7

All right.

Speaker 6

And just a quick follow-up question. You mentioned A movie promotion and the overlap in trade areas. Do you have a sense of how many Shake Shacks in the U. S. Overlap with trade areas where that movie will be shown, Just a ballpark?

Speaker 2

I don't have a number of that. We've got a lot that are actually in some of the core Shacks that are in some of these great Shopping lifestyle centers adjacent to movie theaters, we've seen there were various pops over the summer with Barbie and some of the other strong movies that happened and drove some sales, we do see a correlation in some of our Shacks. I'm sorry, I don't have the number, but I'm going to just roughly guess it's probably around 10% or so that are pretty close to having some kind of impact there.

Speaker 3

Yes. And we're going to be doing a lot of cool activations that close to I'm not going to give an exact number on this side, but there's about over 50 Shacks that are going to have Some really unique exciting, activations that are Troll specific, vinyl takeovers, lots of exciting things going on around The Shack. We've strategically placed Pick some of these just due to their proximity to 2 movie theaters. And there's even going to be, as Randy alluded to in the script, there's even going to be a few of them that are getting Extra plus up with glitter bars for kids, coloring stations, photo booths, it's going to be a really fun way to engage with our guests around this exciting movie.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Farmer with Gordon Haskett. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. So for the 21 drive thru operation or drive thrus you have in operation, I realize a handful of those have only been in operation Few months here. But can you touch on the common themes of those drive thrus that have outperformed or underperformed expectations and they're only going?

Speaker 2

Yes, you bet. Thank you. And we've said look, we've shared some of these targets. I would say on the outperform like anything, like any Shack, it's always going to be about Location, right? There are some Shacks where we got it better than we did at others.

Speaker 2

Certain Shacks where we would say, you know what, we probably could have Put a shack there. We probably could have gone to a higher traffic location or a better way to get in and out of That location. So I think our best ones are the ones where we're seeing the best high traffic zones, aligned with high brand awareness areas where Shake Shack kind of has strength. And I would say we've still got a lot to learn in our operation. We are Kind of scaling that whole operation down slightly, not just for cost to build because what we've learned is how many seats we really need, How many seats we need outside, what the vibe should be.

Speaker 2

And we think we can continue to build a drive thru that's really distinct and exciting in the industry, but take down the size and cost Dove it in the kind of 2025 models. If you look at this coming year, what we're excited about for the next batch of drive thrus, we're going to start to do it in what has traditionally been some of our Stronger more coastal markets. There will be some Shack drive throughs open on the East Coast, New Jersey, Long Island, looking at some on the West Coast in California. So we feel really good about the opportunities there to keep learning And we're investing in this and we like it and it should be a part of our future growth, but we still got a lot to learn and improve upon.

Operator

That's helpful. And just one follow-up

Speaker 7

on the October comp, which was 3.5%. You guys touched on that you were rolling off some pricing At some point in October, but not entirely clear to me when. So the October comp was 3.5%. What level of pricing was captured In that 3.5% comp?

Speaker 3

Yes, we had I would say, blended to a kind of a mid single digit range. We rolled off of that high single digit in the middle of Order, we're going to be exiting December at about 3.5% price, so as to think about that.

Speaker 2

And the October comp was roughly Flat on traffic, which was an improvement as we had seen some of those negative traffic periods toward the end of the Q3, as we said. So, I think that was the encouraging thing, driving some

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Harbour with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thank you. Good morning. Can I just ask about the kind of the comments you made on staffing model? What we should observe there and what you think kind of the timeline for rolling that out is?

Speaker 3

Yes. So I would say we're early days Here on this, I think it's a natural evolution of just the company as we have layered in some added efficiencies here with kiosk. We have new formats here like much larger drive thrus. We also have smaller formats like food courts and then we have our traditional core expression. There's just more differentiated factors that we want to take into account with how we're thinking about staffing.

Speaker 3

Not only just to get more precise on hours used for a number of variables, including menu mix, channel mix and format, but also to make sure that we are maximizing peaks as well. So I would say it's still early days. We're looking to roll out some tests By the end of this year into next year, we're going to keep you updated on how that goes, but nothing really more to share on this front today.

Speaker 8

Okay, thanks. Just a smaller question, maybe Randy, you made some comments just about And Asia, maybe some uncertainty there, how that affects the license business. Is that are you kind of referring to just sales of those units? Are you referring to how you think about Kind of the mix of openings as you go into next year, what were you kind of suggesting there?

Speaker 2

Both of those. I think you got obviously leads with China. We've got a Significant part of our business there. It goes without saying there's macroeconomic uncertainty in the region there. And that'll decide ultimate pace of our openings as well as what our where our Shacks aligned to for sale.

Speaker 2

So that's really the region you're looking at. Obviously, that what happens in China also Spills out into our other Asian businesses through Korea, Japan, through various travel and economic indications. So that'll be something I think that's probably the biggest uncertainty as we look at our license business. Obviously, the Middle East has fair amount of uncertainty as well right now And will, but that's what my comments were really looking at. I think it's a little bit of an unknown as to how that part of our business will grow in this next coming year.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sharon Zackfia

Speaker 9

I guess, labor has been tough Right across the entire space, I think you're kind of within 150 bps of where you were pre pandemic, which is great, Just considering all the inflation that you've had to digest there. With kiosks and it sounds like much better Tenure at the employee level and now a new staffing system that will be going into place. Do you think kind of achieving pre pandemic labor Is a bogey that you can shoot for? Or is this just all kind of trying to battle What might be ongoing labor inflation going forward?

Speaker 2

Well, I think it's hard to say, Sharon. We're not going to guide specifically to any new labor percentage. We've got a lot We are really looking at there in terms of just being more effective and efficient with how we scale. The good tailwinds happening, we've mentioned as Retention and turnover has improved. But you can't deny the continued increase in labor costs.

Speaker 2

That's not going down. We will have $20 an hour in California in April. That's a significant part of our business. And we will have, I expect, continued wage increases over time. And that's not going to settle anytime soon.

Speaker 2

That'll be part of our pricing structure and how much we choose to offset with that. But again, our commitment here is to being as efficient as we possibly can, but we've also got to pay a great rate to sustain. If you look at our profitability improvements,

Speaker 1

A lot

Speaker 2

of it has had to do with our ability to keep, retain and find great people. As that happens better, like Any company and certainly like us will get better at that. So look, we're committed to trying to improve it, but we're not going to give guidance specifically passed today.

Speaker 9

And Randy, I know you said that tenure was up for, I think, frontline and management staff at the unit level. Can you kind of give any comparisons of kind of like what average tenure is now at the manager level or hourly level relative to 2019?

Speaker 2

We have never broken that out, Sharon. I'd say this, as we look at the industry just kind of traditionally, look, we have we work in a high Turnover section of the industry, right, the industry general and our section of the industry generally has quite high turnover. I'd say we probably track similarly in our hourly The team members turnover and retention across the industry, but from also what we've seen, we track much better on our management at all levels. And we our managers tend to grow with us, stay with us and continue to earn. Our GMs, we've said this before, Generally, all in make over 6 figures, right?

Speaker 2

Many makes a lot more than that. We give stock to every GM every year. This is a significant part of our ability to retain people. So now as we're growing as fast as we are, we got to keep developing that, right? And we got to balance growth And we do invest.

Speaker 2

We've talked a lot about this in previous calls. So much time and effort, our people team into developing people At all levels. And the other part of that we got to do and continue to better, you heard a lot of that in today's call is how can we keep simplifying our operations, so our leaders have an easier time coming up the ladder. And that's the stuff we look, I think that's our sweet spot of the company. It will never be easy We're going to keep investing there, but we're real proud of how the teams continue to build.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jake Bartlett with Turits Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Mine was about the opportunity to expand margins going forward. And I know you talked about a few things you're You're executing on with labor scheduling, supply chain. Randy, you mentioned margins being up in 24%.

Speaker 10

I wasn't Sure. That was just a comment on restaurant margins specifically. But I'm wondering whether you can help us dimensionalize any of these initiatives. What the scale of the potential improvement is? Any metrics that you found that you think you Improve upon any way to quantify the opportunity in the line items?

Speaker 2

Yes. Look, we're not giving guidance for For you, Jake, other than to say you've heard our commitment loud and clear, through this whole year and today in saying we continue to identify Opportunities starting with supply chain, we're really talking about as kind of a total cost to serve. And how can we start with the product, look at our supply chain opportunities, we're digging deep on that. And then look at how that flows through the restaurant in every way and see where our opportunities are. So we believe we can continue to expand margins at the restaurant level And overall, the company.

Speaker 2

And if you just take a beat for a second, I think it's really important to do that, we increased our EBITDA margin by Over 400 basis points overall in the company. We expect some level of leverage in G and A this We continue to expect that, that will be part of our plans moving forward. So I think just a core focus on profitability and lots of different ways we're working will keep you posted as we get into 2024 as to what that is going to look like. Again, that's balanced against a lot of the uncertainty of the consumer, but we've built a lot of this Infrastructure now to be going after and identifying where these opportunities lay and start to go after them 1 by 1.

Speaker 3

I I want to be clear here. The teams are moving together. We're moving together very purposefully here at a lot of these opportunities, which we've identified through supply chain, Through labor, through various other areas, within our P and L to continue to drive efficiencies and help us outperform What has been a challenging backdrop for the industry with consumer spending pressures and continued inflationary pressures. So We're really encouraged and excited about what's going on today, what we've built on and what the plans are for the go forward to help continue to improve our performance financially.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks. And a comment or just a question The Q4 guidance for company's same store sales and the progress so far in October, I think last year your Year over year compares get a little easier for the next couple of months. You did mention and then you also have the kind of the movie tie in. You mentioned a return to seasonality.

Speaker 10

And I'm wondering in October December, whether there was an abnormal seasonal behavior last year. So just want want to make sure I know the puts and takes in terms of how we should think of October December this year.

Speaker 3

In November of 2019. Yes. So just a reminder, our compares over the past couple of years with just a different pricing cadence than we've had pre COVID Are a little bit choppier. So last year, we had taken kind of we said between 7% to 9% in menu price across the system, which we rolled off of. So the sequential compares on AWS and on that side will we're expecting that to return to kind of a more normal Pre COVID seasonality pattern, we did have some impact at the end of last year on our AWS from a very large number of NSOs in December.

Speaker 3

And as you know, following our company, our restaurants tend to open very Strong and settle over time. We're going to be comparing over that in December of this year. And then just another note on that side, We have a pretty solid lineup on the culinary side, but just still lapping over hot ones as well.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Tanous with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, thanks. Good morning. You talked about kiosks being over 50% of in check sales now. Can you talk about any Cohort of units that's above the 50% level. Is there anything different about those units versus the rest of the store base?

Speaker 11

And is that informing you about the Potential upside that still exists for kiosks, and anything else you can talk about maybe margin differentials or anything? Thanks.

Speaker 3

So, yes, we have a large Difference in kiosk penetration for in Shack, it's something that we've been very focused on driving a narrowing of the gap and driving more guests to the kiosk. And there's still a lot of exciting opportunity on that front and it's great that we have kind of the most of the entire fleet now rolled out. We it is definitely our highest margin channel. We see a nice check lift on the back of it. We still think we're early days And really kind of leveraging the full potential of upsell through this digital order mode, and how that we can start to leverage guest data over the long term through that channel.

Speaker 3

What I will say is that there's a number of variables which can impact the degree of kiosk usage, which We're investigating and continuing to refine, some of it's just simple wayfinding and how the guest enters the back. Is that kiosk in the best Optimal place. And these are easy fixes that we'll go after over the coming quarters where we can. But continuing to train and arm our teams and our managers with why this is such an important initiative and guiding our guests to that kiosk is working and we're excited for what that potential will be over the longer term.

Speaker 11

Thanks. And then you talked about supply chain today and trying to use that to help drive better margins going forward. So is that Reference to sort of looking at longer term contracts or how can you just elaborate on how supply chain can be better utilized going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, you got to start with our actual scale. As I noted earlier, I mean, less than 300 company operated Shacks like We have so much opportunity just in economies of scale. It starts also with development and how we choose to cluster our Shacks more closely together. We've got a very spread out class of restaurants over this last decade and we're going to we can begin to see opportunities in shipping And how we move freight, all of those things.

Speaker 2

But separately from that, we're going to start to look at just backing up supply, making sure we have other suppliers More aggressive, going after some of the cost opportunities we're going to have. We're digging through all of that while retaining all the premium and improving all the premium way in which we bring our food in and the quality of ingredients. So I just think, look, this has always been a process, it's something we're spending a lot more time and effort on today. And I think in the coming years, we'll continue to identify opportunities where we can save on the supply chain.

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Charles with TD

Speaker 2

Sorry, we can't hear the question. Are you still there?

Operator

Mr. Charles, your turn. Your line is open. Our next question comes from David Tarantino with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. My question is about the October sales trends and I specifically wanted to ask about The marketing and promotions that you called out, can you just maybe explain what you did in October That maybe you haven't done before or what drove the improvement in traffic and whether that's a new strategy you think you can employ as you think about to go forward? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, David. Some of the things are new. Some are just kind of the shifting of things we've done before at various In the year and employing some of those tactics. So, lots of different marketing on all channels as we tee up, of course, LTOs pushing that.

Speaker 2

We noted that was a little bit of a pressure of a lap, but it always begins with that, stories we can tell. A few other things we've been leaning into, Additional performance marketing, we're finding good success and strong returns on our ad spend in various performance channels. We're doing various regional marketing in areas where we think we can go deeper and really hit a city a little bit harder, more directed in lots of Performance digital ways, those tactics we continue to spend on and open up some ad spend as we prove that those have good returns and we've done that. Various things on different types of offers that feel good for Shake Shack. For instance, We did free Fridays in our app channels, right?

Speaker 2

So that drove some strong uptick on Fridays where you could get a free fry when you order on our channels. We have an afternoon BOGO shake. And then we're doing various things with our delivery service providers as well, where we see potential impact. So when you really look at it, it's a balanced marketing approach towards the things that we believe work for us. We'll keep doing some of that as we go and it's still a lot of test and learn.

Speaker 2

Traditionally, We have not been a company that spent a lot of money on true advertising, and it's time for us to ramp those up. We see that money Well received and strong returns on that and we expect we'll continue to do that in this quarter as well as we plan into next year. Doing it with discipline, but opening up as we scale as a company, there'll be greater opportunity for us to spend better on marketing.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next Question comes from Brian Nolan with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, thank you. Just a question, If there's a search for a Chief Operating Officer, is there a search going on and maybe what are the key characteristics or factors the executive team and the Board Is using or looking for in terms of finding the right candidate for Shake Shack?

Speaker 2

Thank you. That's a great question. And let me just start by saying our current operational leadership team It's deep, tenured and strong and doing a heck of a job continuing to run things in the absence of a direct COO at the moment. And I've obviously involved myself quite a bit more and a lot of our executive team jumping in and really supporting operations. So they are doing a great job.

Speaker 2

We're looking for the next great COO and we have an incredible bench of candidates that we've been vetting, talking to and considering. And we're going to take our time on this search. This is a critical position for the company. We expect to hire someone with deep operational expertise and who will help us continue the strategic plan that we've shared today. So we'll look forward to it.

Speaker 2

I expect it will take some time and we'll keep you posted as that gets closer to being finalized.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Anisha Datt with Jeffrey Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hi, sorry. That's for Jeffrey Bernstein at Barclays. This is Anisha on for him. Thanks for the initial unit growth guidance. Conceptually, how do you think about balancing sales and returns in a challenging macro?

Speaker 13

And is there any change in your desire over time to focus on big cities and major metros, Presumably suburbs and drive thrus being more relevant?

Speaker 2

Yes, all the above. I mean, if you look at the last couple of years, that's exactly what We do certainly believe in urban centers and we'll continue to grow Shacks there as we have. But majority of our growth is coming outside of traditional urban centers, Suburbs and some level of drive thrus, and we'll keep you posted on that. But we think 40 is a great number of company operated next year. I think that really balances us out.

Speaker 2

Similar to this year, keeps a strong class moving forward. We opened almost 80 restaurants this year totally worldwide. That's a pretty strong unit growth. And we expect to be similar in that mid teens unit growth next year. And we think that's right.

Speaker 2

As we also spend time To continue to refine the cost to build, our profitability and this uncertain sales environment as we head into the next year, we think that's a really good number to appropriately focus the company on continuing to be a growth company while getting more and more profitable.

Speaker 13

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next Question comes from Brian Vaccaro with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks. Just a quick follow-up. Katie, on the 4Q revenue guidance, Could you be a little more specific just on what you layered in from a seasonality perspective? I'm just curious what you consider normal seasonality And also what you layered in as it relates to your NSO sales performance, I think that's outperformed your expectations this year, but correct me if I'm wrong there. Any help on those 2 would be great.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. So October, better than historical seasonality. In our guidance, kind of a return to more normal seasonality, kind of with where we would have been in October, kind of without that big boost at the low end And then carrying through some of the recent momentum towards the high end, but assuming normal seasonality. There's some puts and takes there on the On comp side that I think are important to just reiterate. So first of all, on development, we're going to have we're expecting to have a little bit more of a back end weighted opening schedule in the 4th Quarter, so that will skew some of the contribution from new Shack openings in the quarter versus if you were to assume kind of a midpoint opening.

Speaker 3

And then the second point is We had 22 NSOs in the Q4 of last year and they opened up very strong. And those sales have Settled to good levels, but that will continue to also be something to think about as you're modeling for the Q4.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks everybody. Really appreciate you taking the time, especially in this busy week. I know everybody's got a lot going on. So thanks so much and we look forward to seeing you in the Shack soon. Take care.

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