NYSE:HR Healthcare Realty Trust Q3 2023 Earnings Report $15.73 +0.03 (+0.19%) As of 03:58 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Healthcare Realty Trust EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.18Consensus EPS $0.39Beat/MissMissed by -$0.57One Year Ago EPS$0.39Healthcare Realty Trust Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$333.30 millionExpected Revenue$331.80 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.50 millionYoY Revenue Growth+8.80%Healthcare Realty Trust Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/3/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, November 3, 2023Conference Call Time12:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsHealthcare Realty Trust's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 1, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, May 2, 2025 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Healthcare Realty Trust Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Healthcare Realty Trust Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Harry, and I'll be your operator today. And I would now like to turn the call over to Ron Hubbard, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:18Thank you for joining Healthcare Realty's 3rd quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today are Todd Meredith, Chris Douglas and Rob Hull. A reminder that except for the historical information contained within, the matters discussed in this call may contain forward looking statements that involve estimates, assumptions, risks and uncertainties. These risks are more Specifically discussed in the company's Form 10 ks filed with the SEC for the year ended December 31, 2022 and a Form 10 ks filed with the SEC for the quarter ended September 30, 2023. These forward looking statements represent the company's judgment as of the date of this call. Speaker 100:00:59The company disclaims any obligation to update this forward looking material. The matter discussed in this call may also contain certain non GAAP financial measures such as funds from operations or FFO, normalized FFO, FFO per share, normalized FFO per share, funds available for distribution or FAD, net operating income, NOI, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA. A reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures may be found in the company's earnings press release For the quarter ended September 30, 2023, the company's earnings press release, supplemental information and Form 10 Q are available on the company's website. I'll now turn the call over to Todd. Speaker 200:01:46Thank you, Ron. Good morning from Nashville and thank you everyone for joining us for our Q3 2023 earnings call. I would also like to thank those of you who joined us a few weeks ago at our Investor Day in Raleigh. If you did not attend, I would encourage you to go to our Investor Relations section of our website and see the presentation materials and posted videos. We've included a short highlight reel as well as long format videos with the content of the day. Speaker 200:02:15The focus of our Investor Day was Healthcare Realty's competitive advantages of market scale and relationships. We showcased how we're using these advantages to drive leasing and occupancy gains. And we illustrated how our approach enhances long term growth through the expansion of our market and cluster strategy. A key differentiator within our strategy is our proven leasing model. Post merger, it took us about 2 quarters to fully mobilize the internal leasing team and our brokerage partners across the combined portfolio. Speaker 200:02:49Leasing momentum picked up quickly in the Q1 of 2023. Now in the Q3, we've generated record new leasing volume of 447,000 square feet. This includes 269,000 square feet at the HTA multi tenant properties where we have the most upside opportunity. Looking ahead, our current leasing momentum is setting the table for occupancy gains and NOI growth in 2024. Today, we're providing a roadmap and occupancy and NOI growth bridge that outlines our expectations for the Q4 and full year 2024. Speaker 200:03:26The bridge represents both multi tenant properties and the total portfolio. Our single tenant properties are fully occupied with consistent NOI growth. I'll focus most of my comments on the multi tenant properties where we have upside. As a baseline, our multi tenant occupancy is currently 85.1% and our year over year NOI growth is currently running at 2.3%. In the Q4 of 'twenty four, we expect multi tenant occupancy gains of 35 to 50 basis points. Speaker 200:03:58NOI growth is expected to improve to the mid-two percent level, but not fully reflective of the occupancy gains since they will be back ended. Looking into 'twenty four, we split our bridge into the first and second half of the year. In the first half, we expect cumulative occupancy gains of 70 to 100 basis points over current occupancy. We expect NOI growth to elevate to a range of 2.7% to 4%. In the second half, we expect cumulative occupancy gains of 150 to 200 basis points compared to current multi tenant occupancy of 85.1%. Speaker 200:04:36We expect multi tenant NOI growth to accelerate to the 4.5% to 5.5% range in the second half. Holding in the single tenant properties, NOI growth is expected to be approximately 4% to 5% in the second half of twenty twenty four. Occupancy and NOI improvement is expected to build over the next 5 quarters. What we're most focused on Is reaching a 4% to 5% run rate in the latter part of 'twenty four, providing tremendous velocity going into 'twenty five. I'm confident we have the best team in the industry to deliver this upside. Speaker 200:05:10We're laser focused on leasing momentum, tenant retention and expense controls that will drive occupancy and NOI gains in 'twenty four. Stepping back to the broader context, we've done the hard work to merge and integrate 2 of the largest MOB companies. We are now the safe choice to invest in a high quality pure play MOB company. We have tangible operational upside in our sites Bolstered by secular tailwinds. MOB fundamentals are sound. Speaker 200:05:43Demand is accelerating from aging demographics. The supply demand picture for MOBs is tightening in our favor and health systems are reengaged in expansion plans as their margins improve. Turning to Q3 results, we're pleased to have met our expectations on a number of fronts. Normalized FFO was in line with our expectations at $0.39 per share. Same store NOI growth improved 20 basis points to 3 point 2.3% compared to the 2nd quarter. Speaker 200:06:16In place contractual rent escalators moved incrementally higher to 2.76 percent And cash leasing spreads jumped to 4.8% well above our guidance range. We also sold 5 properties in the quarter For net proceeds of over $200,000,000 funding our capital requirements and reducing our floating rate debt. These bright spots are counterbalanced by a couple of areas where we have plans to improve. Operating expense growth was 4.8% in the 3rd quarter. This is down materially from the 2nd quarter, but well above where we need to be to meet our NOI goals. Speaker 200:06:56We're actively working on a number of cost reduction initiatives to reduce operating expense growth to a run rate of 2.5% by the end of 'twenty four. Another key area is tenant retention. 3rd quarter retention of 76% was below our long term expectation of 80% or higher. Retention at the HTA properties has been running about 5% to 10% lower than the HR properties. Our team is actively improving customer service tenant satisfaction to lift tenant retention into our historical range. Speaker 200:07:29Tenant survey scores have already improved at the HTA properties And we expect retention to follow in 'twenty four. After Chris and Rob, I'll circle back to provide some additional comments before we shift to Q and A. Now I'll turn it over to Chris to discuss financial results. Chris? Speaker 300:07:47Thanks, Todd. We're pleased to report a steady quarter with improvements on several key fronts. Normalized FFO per share for the Q3 was $0.39 This was consistent with the 2nd quarter As seasonal utilities and higher interest expense were offset by G and A savings. FFO for the Q4 is expected to grow modestly, Generating per share results of $0.39 As a result, we expect full year FFO at the low end of our guidance range. Trailing 12 month same store NOI increased 2.8%. Speaker 300:08:26In year over year, quarterly NOI Grew 2.3%, a 30 basis point improvement over 2nd quarter. In particular, we incrementally improved our rent growth drivers. Annual in place contractual increases now averaged 2.76%, up 5 basis points from last quarter. The improvement was driven by future contractual increases of 3% for the 1,100,000 square feet of leases that commenced in the quarter. Cash leasing spreads averaged 4.8%, up significantly from 3% last quarter. Speaker 300:09:04Tenant retention was at the bottom end of our expected range. As a result, sequential occupancy was down modestly by 10 basis points. Looking forward, we expect move outs to moderate, which will help drive positive absorption from significant new leasing volumes. As Rob will discuss in more detail, we executed 447,000 square feet of new leases in the quarter. This drove a 30 basis point sequential improvement in the total portfolio lease percentage to 89.2%. Speaker 300:09:39Operating expense growth of 4.8% in the quarter was driven primarily by continued labor inflation and janitorial and personnel expenses, which were up a combined 9%. These two categories comprised 20% of our operating Excluding them, operating expenses increased 3.7% year over year. The higher janitorial and personnel expense was primarily driven by a goal to improve overall service at the legacy HTA properties. We will start to lap these higher comps As we move into early 2024, together with cost reduction initiatives, we expect to bring overall operating expense growth below 3% in the back half of twenty twenty four. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA at September 30 was 6.6 times, consistent with the Q2. Speaker 300:10:33Net debt was $112,000,000 lower than June 30 from $209,000,000 of asset sales in the quarter. We have $138,000,000 of asset sales under contract that are expected to close in the 4th quarter. In addition, we currently have $182,000,000 of properties under LOI that are expected to close by year end or early 2024. We expect these asset sales to fund our development commitments as well as reduce variable rate debt and overall leverage to within our target range to 6.5 times. We're also continuing to work on a joint venture with a seed portfolio of existing HR assets. Speaker 300:11:15Given the volatility in the market, we announced at our Raleigh Investor Day that we expect the size of a JV To be at the lower end of our target range of $500,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 We expect to generate proceeds of $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 As interest rates have moved higher over the last few months, cap rates have also increased to the upper 6% to 7% range. Of course, this does not consider the pullback in rates this week, and we'll have to see how rate see how that plays through to debt financing and cap rates moving into 2024. I'll now turn it over to Rob to delve further into recent leasing success. Speaker 400:12:00Thank you, Chris. We are seeing strong underlying fundamentals in the MOB sector. The supply demand landscape is tilting in favor of the landlord. On the demand side, demographic Secular trends are accelerating and have a long runway. Healthcare providers operating trends are also improving. Speaker 400:12:22And what is really beginning to come through is a tightening supply picture. Higher construction and capital costs have created a larger hurdle for new supply suggesting starts will remain lower for some time. This presents a favorable backdrop for improving occupancy During the Q3, our leasing teams signed 142 new leases Following 447,000 square feet, a record for our company. This is up 86% over the Q1 of this year. Almost 70% of these new leases are for properties in our top 15 markets. Speaker 400:13:07These same markets represent 60% of the total portfolio. Signed non occupied leases or snow leases Across the multi tenant portfolio currently represent 2 10 basis points of future occupancy that will commence mostly over the next three quarters. This is up from 140 basis points in the Q1 of this year. At the HTA properties, Snow leases represent 250 basis points of future occupancy, up from 150 basis points in the 1st quarter And a particularly attractive opportunity for occupancy and NOI growth is within our redevelopment properties where we have 6.30 basis points of snow leases. In addition, our prospective leasing pipeline is currently over 1,700,000 square feet, with the balance in the active touring phase. Speaker 400:14:23Collectively, This pipeline gives us about 4 quarters of new leasing visibility that will drive our occupancy in 2024. The bridge that Todd referred to is provided on Page 19 of our investor presentation That was updated this morning. This multi tenant occupancy and NOI bridge includes the Q4 of 2023 and runs through the end of 2024. In the Q4, we expect to see positive absorption 150 to 200 basis points above our current occupancy level of 85.1 percent for the multi tenant properties. Strong new leasing activity is expected to replenish our snow pipeline as new leases commence. Speaker 400:15:25In the first half of the year, we expect new lease commencements of about 400,000 square feet per quarter. Over the second half of the year, we expect this pace to increase to about 430,000 to 450,000 square feet Vacating square footage is the other side of the absorption equation. Move outs correlate with our expiration schedule. In our bridge, we expect move outs as a percentage of expirations to be in the mid to high 20s, consistent with historical averages for both HR and HTA. We project vacates of about 340,000 square feet per quarter in the first half of the year, a product of a greater number of expirations 225,000 to 290,000 square feet per quarter. Speaker 400:16:33To achieve our occupancy goals, to deliver our targeted occupancy levels. We expect NOI growth to move into the 4% to 5% range Todd? Speaker 200:17:02Thanks, Rob. Now I'd like to hit a couple of key points before we move to Q and A. 1st, I'll comment on our dividend. Our Board of Directors is keenly focused on our upside potential and is 100% committed to maintaining our current dividend. While we expect to have an elevated payout ratio as we invest in occupancy gains, We remain extremely bullish on our ability to improve our payout ratio as we look beyond 24. Speaker 200:17:312nd, we want to stress discipline around capital allocation. In this environment, we remain net sellers. We're not pursuing acquisitions. We are avoiding new development starts and we're pursuing only selective redevelopments of existing assets where it makes sense to maximize value. We will continue to meet our current development and funding obligations through non strategic asset sales with excess proceeds earmarked for debt repayment. Speaker 200:18:01Once we're comfortably within our target leverage range, we will balance further debt repayment with accretive capital redeployment, including the repurchase of stock. We now have 4 full post merger quarters behind us with the major merger integration work complete. We shifted to the blocking and tackling phase that allows us to deliver operational upside that's not driven by the interest rate environment. We are focused on accelerating NOI growth through occupancy gains, improved tenant retention and operating expense control. We remain committed to achieving NOI growth in the 4% to 6% range. Speaker 200:18:39We expect to elevate our NOI growth run rate throughout 2024, reaching the 4% to 5% range in the second half. This gives us tremendous velocity going into 2025. With the occupancy and NOI bridge provided today, our aim is to create a heightened sense of visibility for investors and accountability around our goals and objectives, both internally and externally. We look forward to discussing this further, Our bridge and roadmap with many of you in the coming weeks. Thank you for listening this morning. Speaker 200:19:10And we'll now turn it over to the operator for our Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:19:31Our first question today is from the line of Michael Griffin of Citi. Michael, your line is now open. Please proceed. Speaker 500:19:39This is Avery Tyres on for Michael Griffin. Chris, I know you touched on this in your opening remarks, but can you expand on how Operating costs are trending versus your expectations. I mean, if you could just touch on the cost saving initiatives you're undergoing, that'd be great. Thanks. Speaker 600:19:55Yes. They Speaker 300:19:55are still elevated compared to where we like to see them long term. We've made some improvements since the last two quarters, but still higher than we'd like to see. As I mentioned, a lot of that has to do with The fact that we were attempting to improve some service levels. But we're going to be looking kind of throughout The cost structure at ways that we can bring down costs will also start to lap some of those we have from last year as we improve the service levels. So with that, we do see that operating expenses trending lower More historical levels, below 3%. Speaker 500:21:01That's helpful. Thank you. Just for a quick follow-up, just wondering what a retention rate is assumed in the occupancy and NOI bridge that you provided in the deck, Speaker 400:21:13Yes. We used move outs as a percentage of expirations and The rate that was used in the deck was the mid to high 20s for the different levels. Speaker 200:21:26On a move out percentage. On a Speaker 400:21:27move out percentage, yes, that's great. Operator00:21:37Our next question today is from the line of Connor Sieversky of Wells Fargo. Connor, your line is open. Please proceed. Speaker 700:21:45Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. Just thinking about the 2024 guide figures that you have in the presentation. And In terms of leasing, how should we be looking at new leases or the spread between new leases versus natural move outs such that you can hit those occupancy figures and get to that 4.5% to 5.5% range? Speaker 200:22:09Yes. Connor, this is Todd. I would say, if you look at Our bridge that we provided in our investor presentation, we laid that out pretty clearly and I think Rob certainly walked through that. We've talked about the new leasing volume that we reached this quarter about 450,000 feet. That's a level that you see in our bridge starting to come through really throughout 'twenty four. Speaker 200:22:33We really hit that stride in the second half, but you see it building from sort of the high 300,000 square foot level of new leases in the 4th quarter, next quarter and then starting to move into the $400,000 range in the first half and then towards that $450,000 range per quarter in the second half. So it's really that's a critical level. And we mentioned at our Investor Day, this Q3 leasing volume really puts us on plane at a level that really starts to produce the amount of new leasing that will drive this occupancy gain. But as was just asked and as Rob touched on, The vacate numbers, the move outs are just as critical. And frankly, in the Q3, as I mentioned in my remarks, It was high the move outs were higher than we needed. Speaker 200:23:19So our retention levels were not quite where we need them to be. So as we've discussed, We are putting a lot of measures in place to increase our tenant retention. So we expect that to play through. That's clearly been a weakness on the HTA side, Which we've talked about, and we're already seeing improvements. We've done surveys and are seeing nice improvements there. Speaker 200:23:40So we expect that to move into where Our move outs are running in line with our expirations more in the mid- to high 20% range. And when you do that math, you come out to these occupancy gain levels, Which as we show in our bridge is 150, 200 basis points from our starting point at the end of the 3rd quarter. Hopefully, that's helpful, Connor. Speaker 700:24:02I appreciate the color there. And just maybe taking a longer term view on the business, appreciate the comments on responsible capital allocation for the next year or so. But when you look out past 2024, what does that opportunity set look like in outpatient medical? I mean, I would assume that we're only really looking at on campus assets, maybe a smaller slice of the broader pie, but Just any indication of what that addressable market looks like would be appreciated. Speaker 200:24:33Sure. We actually touched a little bit on that On the Investor Day, at least one of the buses that I was on, Ryan Crowley, who heads up acquisitions, and his team have a very specific analysis of the total addressable market and it's quite large, gives us a lot of runway and that was certainly one of the compelling The merger is to put together the 2 companies and have as many clusters that are especially better hospital centric, as you mentioned, That we can go in and expand. So we're very focused on 30 to 40 markets where we can go in and expand our clusters. It's Much, much larger than our company as it exists today. So it gives us a long runway to grow. Speaker 200:25:15And yes, it would be Hospital centric, but certainly we're comfortable expanding our clusters even a little further away from the hospital, but that still are in sort of that 2 mile radius of a hospital and complement our existing clusters. So we see that as a very addressable runway. We talked about during the merger, obviously we're not doing this now, But really being able to elevate acquisition volume to $1,000,000,000 plus. And we were frankly on that path back when interest rates were lower in pre merger And we see that ability and we just have a richer target, total addressable market and target markets that we can do Post merger given all the clusters and markets that we're in. Speaker 700:25:58Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Operator00:26:03Our next question today is from the line of Rich Anderson of Wedbush. Rich, your line is open. Please proceed. Speaker 600:26:13So, on the bridge, what Why now, I guess is my question. Like this is something we've all talked about, about creating some more growth out of medical office. I think we've Probably talked about it ad nauseam for 20 years. And I'm curious why you think that the opportunity set starts to happen Now is it mainly you Healthcare Realty event or do you think the business in its entirety starts to grow as well along with you maybe you at I'm just curious if you could comment on that. Speaker 200:26:47Sure, Rich. Good to hear from you. We would say the short answer is yes to both. I think as we discussed, there are some secular trends going on that We think really do lift the broader MOB tide, if you will. But certainly, our opportunity is post merger improving occupancy at the HTA properties. Speaker 200:27:09And in short, we think that they lost a fair bit of occupancy with a lack of focus for a few years, COVID being part of that. And we really see a bright opportunity with our leasing model as well as our property management, asset management teams to really turn things around and get that occupancy up. It frankly and I guess to your question of why now as it relates to us specifically, We certainly expected a little more gain here in the Q3. We didn't quite get there. Our tenant retention wasn't high enough. Speaker 200:27:40But we see that improving starting next quarter. Frankly, it's not just why now. It should already be happening. And we're a little disappointed with the move outs this quarter. The leasing side is meeting our expectations. Speaker 200:27:55So putting that together in 2024 is the real story and really beginning next quarter. I think it is specifically, and I think we have a sustained period where we can hit this run rate that's sort of 4% to 5% and then try to move even beyond that into our broader range, our target in 25 as well. But I do think broadly speaking, the MOB sector has a lot of tailwinds coming its way. Speaker 600:28:20A lot of it is occupancy gains, but are you also kind of conditioning tenants for higher rent growth as well? Because I just wonder about the sustainability of 5% same store NOI growth in the back On the other side of this effort through 2024, Speaker 200:28:40once you've achieved Yes. I mean, obviously Right, right. Occupancy can't go up forever, to your point. So we understand that. But we think we've set the bar at 90% for our multi tenant portfolio. Speaker 200:28:54So we're at 85 ish today. So getting to 90 gives us quite a runway. If we're generating 100 to 200 between now and the end of next year. That gives us multiple years to be sustaining high levels of growth through occupancy gains. But you're right that Rent growth is the other equation to that rental rate growth. Speaker 200:29:13And as you saw, our cash leasing spreads were 4.8%. You're seeing some pretty strong numbers across other MOB companies as well. So we really do think there is a tailwind there. And frankly, that's probably the second We'll focus on occupancy primarily here. But where we can, we will be really pushing a dynamic pricing model where we see that opportunity. Speaker 200:29:36You know us. You've known us for a long time. We've been pushing that for a while, but really see that as another sort of leg or phase to this effort. So I do think it can carry us further. But practically speaking, the next 2 or 3 years is really more focused around the opportunity for occupancy gain. Speaker 600:29:53Okay. Last for me. Rob, you mentioned mid-20s move out percentage as a percentage of expirations. Just definitionally, so I understand, does that not mean sub 80% retention? Speaker 400:30:10Yes. The way we're looking at it is move outs as a percentage of And yes, the historical numbers put you in that mid to high 20% levels. It is sub 80%, but I think it's Yes. The retention levels that we've been reporting, they do include our holdover bucket, whereas this analysis that we're running does not include So there is a difference. Speaker 600:30:34So we should interpret mid-20s move outs in your bridge as Tenant retention running below 80%. It's apples to oranges? Speaker 200:30:45Correct. That's correct. There's just a definitional difference. So The way that tenant retention is calculated does get the benefit of month to month or holdover as well. And so that tends to add 5 plus percent Operator00:31:08Our next question today is from the line of Mike Miller of JPMorgan. Mike, your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:31:15Yes. Hi. Curious, where in the portfolio are you expecting the most lease up to occur? I know it's going to be tied to HTA, But is there anything notable in terms of geographies or ten categories where you're seeing a bit more of outsized demand? Speaker 200:31:32Sure. Mike, we touched a little bit on this at Investor Day. But to sort of reiterate that, I would say certainly see it disproportionately in our top markets, which is obviously great because that's where we certainly see the most upside, the most resources, the best teams in place to capture that. So that's certainly a place like Houston, we see a lot of opportunity. We've talked about that a bit. Speaker 200:31:57But other great markets like Denver and Nashville and plenty of other attractive markets. So definitely focus on the larger markets where we have scale. And as you pointed out, obviously, it's much larger in the HTA portfolio for sure, but again, in those higher markets or those larger markets. And probably the last piece would be to characterize it would be our redevelopment group of properties. And those properties have, if you look at our disclosure, You're talking about occupancy that's closer to 50%. Speaker 200:32:28So a lot of upside there. And Rob touched on the sign not occupied potential there where there's 630 basis points of difference between occupied and leasing. So we're seeing some momentum there. That's a more volatile group of properties where Major shifts are going on. We're repositioning and reinvesting capital as well as TI to change that occupancy. Speaker 200:32:49So a lot of pent up opportunity there as well. Speaker 800:32:53Got it. And then what's the current thinking on dispositions outside of the JV formation and side of what's expected to close in Q4 and Q1. So if we're thinking beyond what's been announced so far, how significant Speaker 200:33:20close this year, another $180,000,000 behind that that could kind of flip on either side of the 4th and first quarter. I would tend to think and this is our view currently, which we'll continue to adjust as interest rates and cap rates evolve. But I would say we are still net sellers, and we will continue to lean into nonstrategic asset sales. And we haven't put out guidance for 24, but I think directionally, you could expect to Yes, putting out something that is in the neighborhood of what we did this year, which is maybe starting at $300,000,000 and going up as we get more visibility through the year. So certainly continuing to push that, refining the portfolio, trying to, as Chris articulated at Investor Day, Trying to do 2 things. Speaker 200:34:031 is use that incrementally to refine the portfolio, generate proceeds, pay down debt and so forth, but it also improves the quality of the portfolio and frankly the focus of our team on where we have that upside. So we'll continue to lean into that in this environment for sure. Speaker 800:34:21Got it. And just one clarification, when you're talking about a starting point potentially being a similar number to this year, is that inclusive of Thinking of the JV as being effectively a disposition or are you talking about ignoring the JV, this is all separate from the JV? Speaker 200:34:37Ignoring the JV. So just completely separate, I really think of that as nonstrategic asset sales, whereas the JV would be much more about strategic Operator00:34:59And our next question today is from the line of Juan Sanabria of BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 900:35:06It's Regan Sweeney on for Juan. Most of my questions have been addressed in the prepared remarks and some of the better questions here now. Also, I appreciate the NOI bridge. I just wanted to follow-up on the signed but not occupied delta. Multi tenant 2 10 basis points with HTA at 250. Speaker 900:35:23What's the historical spread just to kind of help contextualize this opportunity here? Speaker 200:35:30The historical spread for HR premerger was really more around 100 or less than 100 basis points. So today, Healthcare the Healthcare Realty piece of the portfolio is about $140,000,000 So that's trending above our historical norms. And obviously, as you just touched on, the HTA side at 260 is well above, more than double our historical trends. So that gives a little context to it. Speaker 900:35:54Okay. Thank you. And then just on the pipeline of 1,700,000 square feet, obviously up from the Investor Day, How does this compare to historical levels and then what's your historical conversion rate on the pipeline? Thank you. Speaker 400:36:08Yes. I think if you look at if you kind of look at the pipeline in total, I said $1,500,000 at Investor Day, it's now $17,000,000 It does has been ebb and flow at those levels. It's been pretty consistent this year. It's up some from the 1st of the year. I would say that that's when we put our processes and our leasing team in place, We saw an uptick in the pipeline there. Speaker 400:36:35But I would say that really looking at the current levels and looking out over the next Of course, of the next year, I view it as it's about 4 quarters worth of activity. So It's probably going to remain pretty consistent at those levels and is enough to continue to drive the levels of new leasing that we've seen. So we're very Comfortable and optimistic with the level of the pipeline right now. In terms of the conversion rate, I think throughout the percentages of Hey, you've got about 20% of that that's currently in the lease out and documentation phase. That It equates to about a little over 300,000 square feet. Speaker 400:37:19I would say that that's probably a pretty continuous level Percentage of the portfolio, we do view those as highly, highly probable that they'll that all of that will convert. And so you're generally looking at about a 20% to 30% out of that total pipeline. So, I do think that out of The lease out and LOI piece, we generally find that we pull some of that forward as well and get it executed in the same quarter. Some of that will feed the continuing new leasing pipeline that our new leasing activity that we've targeted that's about 400,000 to 450,000 square feet. Operator00:38:08And we have no further questions in the queue at this time. So I'd like to hand back to the management team for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:15Thank you, Harry, and thank you, everybody, for joining us today. I know today is a busy earnings day with other companies as well. We look forward to seeing a lot of you at NAREIT in a couple of weeks, and we'll be available otherwise. Have a great day. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Healthcare Realty Trust Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Harry, and I'll be your operator today. And I would now like to turn the call over to Ron Hubbard, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:18Thank you for joining Healthcare Realty's 3rd quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today are Todd Meredith, Chris Douglas and Rob Hull. A reminder that except for the historical information contained within, the matters discussed in this call may contain forward looking statements that involve estimates, assumptions, risks and uncertainties. These risks are more Specifically discussed in the company's Form 10 ks filed with the SEC for the year ended December 31, 2022 and a Form 10 ks filed with the SEC for the quarter ended September 30, 2023. These forward looking statements represent the company's judgment as of the date of this call. Speaker 100:00:59The company disclaims any obligation to update this forward looking material. The matter discussed in this call may also contain certain non GAAP financial measures such as funds from operations or FFO, normalized FFO, FFO per share, normalized FFO per share, funds available for distribution or FAD, net operating income, NOI, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA. A reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures may be found in the company's earnings press release For the quarter ended September 30, 2023, the company's earnings press release, supplemental information and Form 10 Q are available on the company's website. I'll now turn the call over to Todd. Speaker 200:01:46Thank you, Ron. Good morning from Nashville and thank you everyone for joining us for our Q3 2023 earnings call. I would also like to thank those of you who joined us a few weeks ago at our Investor Day in Raleigh. If you did not attend, I would encourage you to go to our Investor Relations section of our website and see the presentation materials and posted videos. We've included a short highlight reel as well as long format videos with the content of the day. Speaker 200:02:15The focus of our Investor Day was Healthcare Realty's competitive advantages of market scale and relationships. We showcased how we're using these advantages to drive leasing and occupancy gains. And we illustrated how our approach enhances long term growth through the expansion of our market and cluster strategy. A key differentiator within our strategy is our proven leasing model. Post merger, it took us about 2 quarters to fully mobilize the internal leasing team and our brokerage partners across the combined portfolio. Speaker 200:02:49Leasing momentum picked up quickly in the Q1 of 2023. Now in the Q3, we've generated record new leasing volume of 447,000 square feet. This includes 269,000 square feet at the HTA multi tenant properties where we have the most upside opportunity. Looking ahead, our current leasing momentum is setting the table for occupancy gains and NOI growth in 2024. Today, we're providing a roadmap and occupancy and NOI growth bridge that outlines our expectations for the Q4 and full year 2024. Speaker 200:03:26The bridge represents both multi tenant properties and the total portfolio. Our single tenant properties are fully occupied with consistent NOI growth. I'll focus most of my comments on the multi tenant properties where we have upside. As a baseline, our multi tenant occupancy is currently 85.1% and our year over year NOI growth is currently running at 2.3%. In the Q4 of 'twenty four, we expect multi tenant occupancy gains of 35 to 50 basis points. Speaker 200:03:58NOI growth is expected to improve to the mid-two percent level, but not fully reflective of the occupancy gains since they will be back ended. Looking into 'twenty four, we split our bridge into the first and second half of the year. In the first half, we expect cumulative occupancy gains of 70 to 100 basis points over current occupancy. We expect NOI growth to elevate to a range of 2.7% to 4%. In the second half, we expect cumulative occupancy gains of 150 to 200 basis points compared to current multi tenant occupancy of 85.1%. Speaker 200:04:36We expect multi tenant NOI growth to accelerate to the 4.5% to 5.5% range in the second half. Holding in the single tenant properties, NOI growth is expected to be approximately 4% to 5% in the second half of twenty twenty four. Occupancy and NOI improvement is expected to build over the next 5 quarters. What we're most focused on Is reaching a 4% to 5% run rate in the latter part of 'twenty four, providing tremendous velocity going into 'twenty five. I'm confident we have the best team in the industry to deliver this upside. Speaker 200:05:10We're laser focused on leasing momentum, tenant retention and expense controls that will drive occupancy and NOI gains in 'twenty four. Stepping back to the broader context, we've done the hard work to merge and integrate 2 of the largest MOB companies. We are now the safe choice to invest in a high quality pure play MOB company. We have tangible operational upside in our sites Bolstered by secular tailwinds. MOB fundamentals are sound. Speaker 200:05:43Demand is accelerating from aging demographics. The supply demand picture for MOBs is tightening in our favor and health systems are reengaged in expansion plans as their margins improve. Turning to Q3 results, we're pleased to have met our expectations on a number of fronts. Normalized FFO was in line with our expectations at $0.39 per share. Same store NOI growth improved 20 basis points to 3 point 2.3% compared to the 2nd quarter. Speaker 200:06:16In place contractual rent escalators moved incrementally higher to 2.76 percent And cash leasing spreads jumped to 4.8% well above our guidance range. We also sold 5 properties in the quarter For net proceeds of over $200,000,000 funding our capital requirements and reducing our floating rate debt. These bright spots are counterbalanced by a couple of areas where we have plans to improve. Operating expense growth was 4.8% in the 3rd quarter. This is down materially from the 2nd quarter, but well above where we need to be to meet our NOI goals. Speaker 200:06:56We're actively working on a number of cost reduction initiatives to reduce operating expense growth to a run rate of 2.5% by the end of 'twenty four. Another key area is tenant retention. 3rd quarter retention of 76% was below our long term expectation of 80% or higher. Retention at the HTA properties has been running about 5% to 10% lower than the HR properties. Our team is actively improving customer service tenant satisfaction to lift tenant retention into our historical range. Speaker 200:07:29Tenant survey scores have already improved at the HTA properties And we expect retention to follow in 'twenty four. After Chris and Rob, I'll circle back to provide some additional comments before we shift to Q and A. Now I'll turn it over to Chris to discuss financial results. Chris? Speaker 300:07:47Thanks, Todd. We're pleased to report a steady quarter with improvements on several key fronts. Normalized FFO per share for the Q3 was $0.39 This was consistent with the 2nd quarter As seasonal utilities and higher interest expense were offset by G and A savings. FFO for the Q4 is expected to grow modestly, Generating per share results of $0.39 As a result, we expect full year FFO at the low end of our guidance range. Trailing 12 month same store NOI increased 2.8%. Speaker 300:08:26In year over year, quarterly NOI Grew 2.3%, a 30 basis point improvement over 2nd quarter. In particular, we incrementally improved our rent growth drivers. Annual in place contractual increases now averaged 2.76%, up 5 basis points from last quarter. The improvement was driven by future contractual increases of 3% for the 1,100,000 square feet of leases that commenced in the quarter. Cash leasing spreads averaged 4.8%, up significantly from 3% last quarter. Speaker 300:09:04Tenant retention was at the bottom end of our expected range. As a result, sequential occupancy was down modestly by 10 basis points. Looking forward, we expect move outs to moderate, which will help drive positive absorption from significant new leasing volumes. As Rob will discuss in more detail, we executed 447,000 square feet of new leases in the quarter. This drove a 30 basis point sequential improvement in the total portfolio lease percentage to 89.2%. Speaker 300:09:39Operating expense growth of 4.8% in the quarter was driven primarily by continued labor inflation and janitorial and personnel expenses, which were up a combined 9%. These two categories comprised 20% of our operating Excluding them, operating expenses increased 3.7% year over year. The higher janitorial and personnel expense was primarily driven by a goal to improve overall service at the legacy HTA properties. We will start to lap these higher comps As we move into early 2024, together with cost reduction initiatives, we expect to bring overall operating expense growth below 3% in the back half of twenty twenty four. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA at September 30 was 6.6 times, consistent with the Q2. Speaker 300:10:33Net debt was $112,000,000 lower than June 30 from $209,000,000 of asset sales in the quarter. We have $138,000,000 of asset sales under contract that are expected to close in the 4th quarter. In addition, we currently have $182,000,000 of properties under LOI that are expected to close by year end or early 2024. We expect these asset sales to fund our development commitments as well as reduce variable rate debt and overall leverage to within our target range to 6.5 times. We're also continuing to work on a joint venture with a seed portfolio of existing HR assets. Speaker 300:11:15Given the volatility in the market, we announced at our Raleigh Investor Day that we expect the size of a JV To be at the lower end of our target range of $500,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 We expect to generate proceeds of $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 As interest rates have moved higher over the last few months, cap rates have also increased to the upper 6% to 7% range. Of course, this does not consider the pullback in rates this week, and we'll have to see how rate see how that plays through to debt financing and cap rates moving into 2024. I'll now turn it over to Rob to delve further into recent leasing success. Speaker 400:12:00Thank you, Chris. We are seeing strong underlying fundamentals in the MOB sector. The supply demand landscape is tilting in favor of the landlord. On the demand side, demographic Secular trends are accelerating and have a long runway. Healthcare providers operating trends are also improving. Speaker 400:12:22And what is really beginning to come through is a tightening supply picture. Higher construction and capital costs have created a larger hurdle for new supply suggesting starts will remain lower for some time. This presents a favorable backdrop for improving occupancy During the Q3, our leasing teams signed 142 new leases Following 447,000 square feet, a record for our company. This is up 86% over the Q1 of this year. Almost 70% of these new leases are for properties in our top 15 markets. Speaker 400:13:07These same markets represent 60% of the total portfolio. Signed non occupied leases or snow leases Across the multi tenant portfolio currently represent 2 10 basis points of future occupancy that will commence mostly over the next three quarters. This is up from 140 basis points in the Q1 of this year. At the HTA properties, Snow leases represent 250 basis points of future occupancy, up from 150 basis points in the 1st quarter And a particularly attractive opportunity for occupancy and NOI growth is within our redevelopment properties where we have 6.30 basis points of snow leases. In addition, our prospective leasing pipeline is currently over 1,700,000 square feet, with the balance in the active touring phase. Speaker 400:14:23Collectively, This pipeline gives us about 4 quarters of new leasing visibility that will drive our occupancy in 2024. The bridge that Todd referred to is provided on Page 19 of our investor presentation That was updated this morning. This multi tenant occupancy and NOI bridge includes the Q4 of 2023 and runs through the end of 2024. In the Q4, we expect to see positive absorption 150 to 200 basis points above our current occupancy level of 85.1 percent for the multi tenant properties. Strong new leasing activity is expected to replenish our snow pipeline as new leases commence. Speaker 400:15:25In the first half of the year, we expect new lease commencements of about 400,000 square feet per quarter. Over the second half of the year, we expect this pace to increase to about 430,000 to 450,000 square feet Vacating square footage is the other side of the absorption equation. Move outs correlate with our expiration schedule. In our bridge, we expect move outs as a percentage of expirations to be in the mid to high 20s, consistent with historical averages for both HR and HTA. We project vacates of about 340,000 square feet per quarter in the first half of the year, a product of a greater number of expirations 225,000 to 290,000 square feet per quarter. Speaker 400:16:33To achieve our occupancy goals, to deliver our targeted occupancy levels. We expect NOI growth to move into the 4% to 5% range Todd? Speaker 200:17:02Thanks, Rob. Now I'd like to hit a couple of key points before we move to Q and A. 1st, I'll comment on our dividend. Our Board of Directors is keenly focused on our upside potential and is 100% committed to maintaining our current dividend. While we expect to have an elevated payout ratio as we invest in occupancy gains, We remain extremely bullish on our ability to improve our payout ratio as we look beyond 24. Speaker 200:17:312nd, we want to stress discipline around capital allocation. In this environment, we remain net sellers. We're not pursuing acquisitions. We are avoiding new development starts and we're pursuing only selective redevelopments of existing assets where it makes sense to maximize value. We will continue to meet our current development and funding obligations through non strategic asset sales with excess proceeds earmarked for debt repayment. Speaker 200:18:01Once we're comfortably within our target leverage range, we will balance further debt repayment with accretive capital redeployment, including the repurchase of stock. We now have 4 full post merger quarters behind us with the major merger integration work complete. We shifted to the blocking and tackling phase that allows us to deliver operational upside that's not driven by the interest rate environment. We are focused on accelerating NOI growth through occupancy gains, improved tenant retention and operating expense control. We remain committed to achieving NOI growth in the 4% to 6% range. Speaker 200:18:39We expect to elevate our NOI growth run rate throughout 2024, reaching the 4% to 5% range in the second half. This gives us tremendous velocity going into 2025. With the occupancy and NOI bridge provided today, our aim is to create a heightened sense of visibility for investors and accountability around our goals and objectives, both internally and externally. We look forward to discussing this further, Our bridge and roadmap with many of you in the coming weeks. Thank you for listening this morning. Speaker 200:19:10And we'll now turn it over to the operator for our Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:19:31Our first question today is from the line of Michael Griffin of Citi. Michael, your line is now open. Please proceed. Speaker 500:19:39This is Avery Tyres on for Michael Griffin. Chris, I know you touched on this in your opening remarks, but can you expand on how Operating costs are trending versus your expectations. I mean, if you could just touch on the cost saving initiatives you're undergoing, that'd be great. Thanks. Speaker 600:19:55Yes. They Speaker 300:19:55are still elevated compared to where we like to see them long term. We've made some improvements since the last two quarters, but still higher than we'd like to see. As I mentioned, a lot of that has to do with The fact that we were attempting to improve some service levels. But we're going to be looking kind of throughout The cost structure at ways that we can bring down costs will also start to lap some of those we have from last year as we improve the service levels. So with that, we do see that operating expenses trending lower More historical levels, below 3%. Speaker 500:21:01That's helpful. Thank you. Just for a quick follow-up, just wondering what a retention rate is assumed in the occupancy and NOI bridge that you provided in the deck, Speaker 400:21:13Yes. We used move outs as a percentage of expirations and The rate that was used in the deck was the mid to high 20s for the different levels. Speaker 200:21:26On a move out percentage. On a Speaker 400:21:27move out percentage, yes, that's great. Operator00:21:37Our next question today is from the line of Connor Sieversky of Wells Fargo. Connor, your line is open. Please proceed. Speaker 700:21:45Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. Just thinking about the 2024 guide figures that you have in the presentation. And In terms of leasing, how should we be looking at new leases or the spread between new leases versus natural move outs such that you can hit those occupancy figures and get to that 4.5% to 5.5% range? Speaker 200:22:09Yes. Connor, this is Todd. I would say, if you look at Our bridge that we provided in our investor presentation, we laid that out pretty clearly and I think Rob certainly walked through that. We've talked about the new leasing volume that we reached this quarter about 450,000 feet. That's a level that you see in our bridge starting to come through really throughout 'twenty four. Speaker 200:22:33We really hit that stride in the second half, but you see it building from sort of the high 300,000 square foot level of new leases in the 4th quarter, next quarter and then starting to move into the $400,000 range in the first half and then towards that $450,000 range per quarter in the second half. So it's really that's a critical level. And we mentioned at our Investor Day, this Q3 leasing volume really puts us on plane at a level that really starts to produce the amount of new leasing that will drive this occupancy gain. But as was just asked and as Rob touched on, The vacate numbers, the move outs are just as critical. And frankly, in the Q3, as I mentioned in my remarks, It was high the move outs were higher than we needed. Speaker 200:23:19So our retention levels were not quite where we need them to be. So as we've discussed, We are putting a lot of measures in place to increase our tenant retention. So we expect that to play through. That's clearly been a weakness on the HTA side, Which we've talked about, and we're already seeing improvements. We've done surveys and are seeing nice improvements there. Speaker 200:23:40So we expect that to move into where Our move outs are running in line with our expirations more in the mid- to high 20% range. And when you do that math, you come out to these occupancy gain levels, Which as we show in our bridge is 150, 200 basis points from our starting point at the end of the 3rd quarter. Hopefully, that's helpful, Connor. Speaker 700:24:02I appreciate the color there. And just maybe taking a longer term view on the business, appreciate the comments on responsible capital allocation for the next year or so. But when you look out past 2024, what does that opportunity set look like in outpatient medical? I mean, I would assume that we're only really looking at on campus assets, maybe a smaller slice of the broader pie, but Just any indication of what that addressable market looks like would be appreciated. Speaker 200:24:33Sure. We actually touched a little bit on that On the Investor Day, at least one of the buses that I was on, Ryan Crowley, who heads up acquisitions, and his team have a very specific analysis of the total addressable market and it's quite large, gives us a lot of runway and that was certainly one of the compelling The merger is to put together the 2 companies and have as many clusters that are especially better hospital centric, as you mentioned, That we can go in and expand. So we're very focused on 30 to 40 markets where we can go in and expand our clusters. It's Much, much larger than our company as it exists today. So it gives us a long runway to grow. Speaker 200:25:15And yes, it would be Hospital centric, but certainly we're comfortable expanding our clusters even a little further away from the hospital, but that still are in sort of that 2 mile radius of a hospital and complement our existing clusters. So we see that as a very addressable runway. We talked about during the merger, obviously we're not doing this now, But really being able to elevate acquisition volume to $1,000,000,000 plus. And we were frankly on that path back when interest rates were lower in pre merger And we see that ability and we just have a richer target, total addressable market and target markets that we can do Post merger given all the clusters and markets that we're in. Speaker 700:25:58Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Operator00:26:03Our next question today is from the line of Rich Anderson of Wedbush. Rich, your line is open. Please proceed. Speaker 600:26:13So, on the bridge, what Why now, I guess is my question. Like this is something we've all talked about, about creating some more growth out of medical office. I think we've Probably talked about it ad nauseam for 20 years. And I'm curious why you think that the opportunity set starts to happen Now is it mainly you Healthcare Realty event or do you think the business in its entirety starts to grow as well along with you maybe you at I'm just curious if you could comment on that. Speaker 200:26:47Sure, Rich. Good to hear from you. We would say the short answer is yes to both. I think as we discussed, there are some secular trends going on that We think really do lift the broader MOB tide, if you will. But certainly, our opportunity is post merger improving occupancy at the HTA properties. Speaker 200:27:09And in short, we think that they lost a fair bit of occupancy with a lack of focus for a few years, COVID being part of that. And we really see a bright opportunity with our leasing model as well as our property management, asset management teams to really turn things around and get that occupancy up. It frankly and I guess to your question of why now as it relates to us specifically, We certainly expected a little more gain here in the Q3. We didn't quite get there. Our tenant retention wasn't high enough. Speaker 200:27:40But we see that improving starting next quarter. Frankly, it's not just why now. It should already be happening. And we're a little disappointed with the move outs this quarter. The leasing side is meeting our expectations. Speaker 200:27:55So putting that together in 2024 is the real story and really beginning next quarter. I think it is specifically, and I think we have a sustained period where we can hit this run rate that's sort of 4% to 5% and then try to move even beyond that into our broader range, our target in 25 as well. But I do think broadly speaking, the MOB sector has a lot of tailwinds coming its way. Speaker 600:28:20A lot of it is occupancy gains, but are you also kind of conditioning tenants for higher rent growth as well? Because I just wonder about the sustainability of 5% same store NOI growth in the back On the other side of this effort through 2024, Speaker 200:28:40once you've achieved Yes. I mean, obviously Right, right. Occupancy can't go up forever, to your point. So we understand that. But we think we've set the bar at 90% for our multi tenant portfolio. Speaker 200:28:54So we're at 85 ish today. So getting to 90 gives us quite a runway. If we're generating 100 to 200 between now and the end of next year. That gives us multiple years to be sustaining high levels of growth through occupancy gains. But you're right that Rent growth is the other equation to that rental rate growth. Speaker 200:29:13And as you saw, our cash leasing spreads were 4.8%. You're seeing some pretty strong numbers across other MOB companies as well. So we really do think there is a tailwind there. And frankly, that's probably the second We'll focus on occupancy primarily here. But where we can, we will be really pushing a dynamic pricing model where we see that opportunity. Speaker 200:29:36You know us. You've known us for a long time. We've been pushing that for a while, but really see that as another sort of leg or phase to this effort. So I do think it can carry us further. But practically speaking, the next 2 or 3 years is really more focused around the opportunity for occupancy gain. Speaker 600:29:53Okay. Last for me. Rob, you mentioned mid-20s move out percentage as a percentage of expirations. Just definitionally, so I understand, does that not mean sub 80% retention? Speaker 400:30:10Yes. The way we're looking at it is move outs as a percentage of And yes, the historical numbers put you in that mid to high 20% levels. It is sub 80%, but I think it's Yes. The retention levels that we've been reporting, they do include our holdover bucket, whereas this analysis that we're running does not include So there is a difference. Speaker 600:30:34So we should interpret mid-20s move outs in your bridge as Tenant retention running below 80%. It's apples to oranges? Speaker 200:30:45Correct. That's correct. There's just a definitional difference. So The way that tenant retention is calculated does get the benefit of month to month or holdover as well. And so that tends to add 5 plus percent Operator00:31:08Our next question today is from the line of Mike Miller of JPMorgan. Mike, your line is open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:31:15Yes. Hi. Curious, where in the portfolio are you expecting the most lease up to occur? I know it's going to be tied to HTA, But is there anything notable in terms of geographies or ten categories where you're seeing a bit more of outsized demand? Speaker 200:31:32Sure. Mike, we touched a little bit on this at Investor Day. But to sort of reiterate that, I would say certainly see it disproportionately in our top markets, which is obviously great because that's where we certainly see the most upside, the most resources, the best teams in place to capture that. So that's certainly a place like Houston, we see a lot of opportunity. We've talked about that a bit. Speaker 200:31:57But other great markets like Denver and Nashville and plenty of other attractive markets. So definitely focus on the larger markets where we have scale. And as you pointed out, obviously, it's much larger in the HTA portfolio for sure, but again, in those higher markets or those larger markets. And probably the last piece would be to characterize it would be our redevelopment group of properties. And those properties have, if you look at our disclosure, You're talking about occupancy that's closer to 50%. Speaker 200:32:28So a lot of upside there. And Rob touched on the sign not occupied potential there where there's 630 basis points of difference between occupied and leasing. So we're seeing some momentum there. That's a more volatile group of properties where Major shifts are going on. We're repositioning and reinvesting capital as well as TI to change that occupancy. Speaker 200:32:49So a lot of pent up opportunity there as well. Speaker 800:32:53Got it. And then what's the current thinking on dispositions outside of the JV formation and side of what's expected to close in Q4 and Q1. So if we're thinking beyond what's been announced so far, how significant Speaker 200:33:20close this year, another $180,000,000 behind that that could kind of flip on either side of the 4th and first quarter. I would tend to think and this is our view currently, which we'll continue to adjust as interest rates and cap rates evolve. But I would say we are still net sellers, and we will continue to lean into nonstrategic asset sales. And we haven't put out guidance for 24, but I think directionally, you could expect to Yes, putting out something that is in the neighborhood of what we did this year, which is maybe starting at $300,000,000 and going up as we get more visibility through the year. So certainly continuing to push that, refining the portfolio, trying to, as Chris articulated at Investor Day, Trying to do 2 things. Speaker 200:34:031 is use that incrementally to refine the portfolio, generate proceeds, pay down debt and so forth, but it also improves the quality of the portfolio and frankly the focus of our team on where we have that upside. So we'll continue to lean into that in this environment for sure. Speaker 800:34:21Got it. And just one clarification, when you're talking about a starting point potentially being a similar number to this year, is that inclusive of Thinking of the JV as being effectively a disposition or are you talking about ignoring the JV, this is all separate from the JV? Speaker 200:34:37Ignoring the JV. So just completely separate, I really think of that as nonstrategic asset sales, whereas the JV would be much more about strategic Operator00:34:59And our next question today is from the line of Juan Sanabria of BMO Capital Markets. Speaker 900:35:06It's Regan Sweeney on for Juan. Most of my questions have been addressed in the prepared remarks and some of the better questions here now. Also, I appreciate the NOI bridge. I just wanted to follow-up on the signed but not occupied delta. Multi tenant 2 10 basis points with HTA at 250. Speaker 900:35:23What's the historical spread just to kind of help contextualize this opportunity here? Speaker 200:35:30The historical spread for HR premerger was really more around 100 or less than 100 basis points. So today, Healthcare the Healthcare Realty piece of the portfolio is about $140,000,000 So that's trending above our historical norms. And obviously, as you just touched on, the HTA side at 260 is well above, more than double our historical trends. So that gives a little context to it. Speaker 900:35:54Okay. Thank you. And then just on the pipeline of 1,700,000 square feet, obviously up from the Investor Day, How does this compare to historical levels and then what's your historical conversion rate on the pipeline? Thank you. Speaker 400:36:08Yes. I think if you look at if you kind of look at the pipeline in total, I said $1,500,000 at Investor Day, it's now $17,000,000 It does has been ebb and flow at those levels. It's been pretty consistent this year. It's up some from the 1st of the year. I would say that that's when we put our processes and our leasing team in place, We saw an uptick in the pipeline there. Speaker 400:36:35But I would say that really looking at the current levels and looking out over the next Of course, of the next year, I view it as it's about 4 quarters worth of activity. So It's probably going to remain pretty consistent at those levels and is enough to continue to drive the levels of new leasing that we've seen. So we're very Comfortable and optimistic with the level of the pipeline right now. In terms of the conversion rate, I think throughout the percentages of Hey, you've got about 20% of that that's currently in the lease out and documentation phase. That It equates to about a little over 300,000 square feet. Speaker 400:37:19I would say that that's probably a pretty continuous level Percentage of the portfolio, we do view those as highly, highly probable that they'll that all of that will convert. And so you're generally looking at about a 20% to 30% out of that total pipeline. So, I do think that out of The lease out and LOI piece, we generally find that we pull some of that forward as well and get it executed in the same quarter. Some of that will feed the continuing new leasing pipeline that our new leasing activity that we've targeted that's about 400,000 to 450,000 square feet. Operator00:38:08And we have no further questions in the queue at this time. So I'd like to hand back to the management team for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:15Thank you, Harry, and thank you, everybody, for joining us today. I know today is a busy earnings day with other companies as well. We look forward to seeing a lot of you at NAREIT in a couple of weeks, and we'll be available otherwise. Have a great day. Thanks.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by