American Outdoor Brands Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 30, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to American Outdoor Brands Inc. 2nd Quarter Fiscal 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Liz Sharp, Vice President of Investor Relations for some information about today's

Speaker 1

call. Thank you, and good afternoon. Our comments today may contain predictions, estimates and other forward looking statements. Our use of words like anticipate, project, estimate, expect, intend, should, could, indicate, suggest, believe and other similar expressions is intended to identify those forward looking statements. Forward looking statements also include statements regarding our product development, focus, objectives, strategies and vision they are subject to various risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

Risk factors and other considerations that could cause our actual results to be materially different are described in our securities filings. You can find those documents as well as a replay of this call on our website ataob.com. Today's call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of this time, and we assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements. Our actual results could differ materially from our statements today. I have a few important items to note about our comments on today's call.

Speaker 1

First, we reference certain non GAAP financial measures. Our non GAAP results exclude amortization of acquired intangible assets, Stock compensation, shareholder cooperation agreement costs, facility consolidation costs, technology implementation, acquisition costs, other costs and income tax adjustments. The reconciliations of GAAP financial measures to non GAAP financial measures, Whether they are discussed on today's call can be found in our filings as well as today's earnings press release, which are posted on our website. Also, when we reference EPS, we are always referencing fully diluted EPS. Joining us on today's call is Brian Murphy, President and CEO and Andy Fulmer, CFO.

Speaker 1

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Liz, and thanks, everyone, for joining us. We're pleased with our Q2 results, which demonstrated solid performance in sales and capital management as well as ongoing progress in support of our long term strategic objectives. We delivered net sales growth of 6.4%, a result that came in ahead of our expectations and that we view favorably, Given that retailers continue to remain cautious about their inventories and available open to buy dollars in the quarter, our 2nd quarter sales also reflected long term growth of more than 21% over our pre pandemic Q2 of fiscal 2020, including our acquisition of Grilla Grills in fiscal 2022. We delivered year over year growth of more than 14% On a long term basis, our outdoor category has grown nearly 40% compared to the pre pandemic Q2 of fiscal 2020, including the Gorilla acquisition. I believe this result reflects the success of our strategy to grow this part of our business.

Speaker 2

In fact, our outdoor lifestyle category comprised nearly 60% of our total sales in the Q2. Growth in our outdoor lifestyle category also reflects our strategy to seek Our brands where consumers expect to find them, whether online or in store, as well as our strategy to drive sales through retail expansion opportunities. Accordingly, we were proud to join forces with Academy Sports and Outdoors in the Q2 to bring Academy customers a select lineup of our Meat Your Meat Processing Equipment. Beginning in October, select meat products became available at all 270 Academy retail locations and online. We originally launched meat in 2019 as a new exclusively direct to consumer brand.

Speaker 2

Leveraging our Harvester brand lane team's existing infrastructure Its commitment to user education, its industry leading lifetime warranty and its authentic personality. Academy is an ideal partner for our initial entry of meat into brick and mortar stores, providing us with a great opportunity to introduce this exciting product lineup to a large number of new potential customers. Our shooting sports category saw a slight decline in 2nd quarter net sales compared to the prior year, a result that is consistent with reports from firearm manufacturers citing ongoing heightened channel inventory and reduced consumer demand. Although we don't produce firearms or ammunition, related products in our shooting sports category include solutions for target shooting, Aiming, safe storage, cleaning and maintenance and self defense. Turning now to channel sales in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 2

Sales growth in our traditional channel was strong, led by the initial shipments related to the meat launch I just discussed and supported by strength in the hunting and fishing categories under our BOG and Bubba brands. Net sales in our e commerce channel also increased year over year driven primarily by sales through our largest Online retailer. While promotions with that retailer in the shooting sports category came in higher than we originally anticipated, They were beneficial for two reasons. First, they helped deliver several of our brands into the hands of consumers in this otherwise uncertain consumer environment. And second, they helped to lower channel inventories of our shooting sports products as well.

Speaker 2

With regard to sell through, We gather point of sale and channel inventory data from retailers that represent about half of our sales. This quarter's POS data was slightly down overall. Outdoor Lifestyle was relatively flat, a result we were pleased with given the current environment. Our shooting sports category posted a year over year decline that was driven almost entirely by a drop in aiming solutions, which are primarily the sights and optics that attach to firearms. Sales of those products tend to follow adjusted NICS data more closely.

Speaker 2

The balance of sales in the shooting sports category performed well relative to the underlying channel trends for the category. POS data also indicates that channel inventory of our products declined slightly in the quarter on a year over year basis, With the decline in the shooting sports category, partially offset by an increase in the outdoor lifestyle category, consistent with my earlier comments. Before I close out the sales discussion, I want to turn quickly to preliminary Black Friday weekend sales results. And these are direct to consumer sales for our Grilla and meat products. For the 4 day period from Black Friday through Cyber Monday, on a combined basis, Grilla and meat delivered nearly 40% year over year growth.

Speaker 2

Grilla had its largest single sales day ever on Black Friday and meat had its largest single sales day ever on Cyber Monday. Again preliminary, but pretty exciting results. Now turning to innovation. Innovation is core to who we are and a key element in our long term growth strategy. We are reshaping enthusiasts' expectations of what it means to deliver in the moments that matter, Whether it's gamifying fishing with Bubba's new Smart Fish Scale, defining hunting rest stability with BOGS Death Grip line We're reenvisioning clay throwers that operate battery free with Caldwell's Claymore line.

Speaker 2

As we court consumers who are increasingly discerning, believe that by introducing a consistent stream of innovative solutions backed by enthusiast brands, we're able to capture market share and gain new placement. This innovation engine fueled by our dock and unlock process generated over 25% of our 2nd quarter net sales. While this time of year is typically quiet for us with regard to new product introductions, our teams are hard at work on a number of new products and extensions that will begin unveiling across several of our shooting sports brands at the upcoming SHOT Show in January. In addition, we're putting the finishing touches on launch plans for a very exciting New product from Grilla, you'll hear about soon. While we've introduced several Grilla products and accessories since the acquisition, this upcoming launch represents the first in a lineup of significant new Grilla innovations generated by our dock and unlock process.

Speaker 2

We've also ported Grilla over to our sales force, e commerce platform and launched a brand new website. Visit us at grillagrills.com, Check out our new Evolve Your Backyard campaign and then stay tuned for a number of new Grilla products to launch under this campaign in the coming quarters. Lastly, we were honored to receive recognition for our innovative achievements when we were recently named accessory manufacturer of the year by the National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers. Our Caldwell brand took homeowners as well for best new accessory. These awards are a testament to our creative teams under Caldwell and throughout AOB, whose teamwork and talent are at the very core of our success.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn it over to Andy to discuss our financial results.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Brian. As Brian mentioned, are pleased with our results for the Q2. We delivered net sales growth, we maintained a strong balance sheet, And we continue to return cash to shareholders through our share repurchase program, all while continuing to navigate market challenges stemming from cautious inventory management by retailers and reduced consumer demand. Let me walk you through the details. Net sales for Q2 came in above our expectations at $57,900,000 compared to $54,400,000 in Q2 last year, an increase of 6.4%.

Speaker 3

Compared to pre pandemic Q2 of fiscal 2020, net sales increased by 21.3%, including the acquisition of Grilla. On a category basis, net sales in Outdoor Lifestyle increased by 14.3% over Q2 last year and included continued strength in our hunting and rugged outdoor products. Conversely, Net sales in shooting sports decreased by 3.4% compared to Q2 last year, a result that was entirely driven by a decline in aiming solution products, which are sold to both firearm OEMs and consumers and the sales of which tend to align more closely with adjusted mix. On a channel basis, traditional sales, which included our retail launch of Meet Your Maker Products increased by 8.7%, while e commerce net sales increased by 3.3% over Q2 last year. As a reminder, our e commerce channel includes direct to consumer sales from our own websites as well as sales by online retailers that do not have brick and mortar stores.

Speaker 3

Turning to gross margin. Gross margin for Q2 decreased to 45.7% compared to 47.7% in Q2 last year. The decrease was mainly due to increased promotional activity in the current year that Brian mentioned. Although this promotional level was higher than we anticipated, We believe the programs were effective in driving net sales in this uncertain market. Turning to operating expenses.

Speaker 3

GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $26,500,000 compared to $26,100,000 last year. The increase was driven mainly by higher variable selling and distribution costs relating to the net sales increase, netted by decreases in IT, insurance and lower rent due to facility consolidations we completed last year. On a non GAAP basis, operating expenses in Q2 were up slightly to $22,300,000 compared GAAP EPS was $0.01 for the 2nd quarter compared to $0.03 for the Q2 last year. On a non GAAP basis, We expect our fully diluted share count will be about 13,500,000 shares. Adjusted EBITDAS for the quarter was 5 $2,000,000 compared to $6,400,000 last year.

Speaker 3

Turning now to the balance sheet and cash flow. We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet. We ended the 2nd quarter with cash of $8,400,000 and no debt after repurchasing approximately $1,500,000 of our common stock. Due to the seasonal nature of our business, Our Q2 typically reflects operating cash outflow, which is the result of seasonal increases in both accounts receivable and inventory, And that was the case this quarter. Then in the second half of the year, we typically generate cash from operations as we collect those receivables and lower our inventory levels.

Speaker 3

We expect this pattern to hold true for our second half of fiscal twenty twenty four as well. Operating cash outflow for the Q2 was $8,400,000 driven mainly by an increase in accounts receivable of approximately $17,000,000 were higher toward the end of the quarter. Our inventories grew by $4,200,000 in the second quarter. The majority of that increase was driven by our decision to accelerate certain product purchases into Q2 in order to provide safety stock for a vendor change that will yield cost savings beginning in fiscal 2025. The balance of the increase We expect inventory to decline sequentially from our current level in Q3 and again in Q4 resulting in inventories just below $100,000,000 by the end of fiscal 2024.

Speaker 3

We remain debt free, ending the quarter with no outstanding balance on our $75,000,000 expandable line of credit and total available capital of roughly $100,000,000 With regard to capital expenditures, We spent a net $745,000 on CapEx for the Q2, mainly for product tooling and patent costs as expected. Our expectations for total CapEx spend for fiscal 2024 remain unchanged at between $6,000,000 $7,000,000 Included in this range is spending of between $3,000,000 $4,000,000 for product tooling and maintenance and a one time spend of approximately $3,000,000 to purchase assets including warehouse racking, office furniture and other fixtures when we assume the full lease at our Columbia, Missouri facility on January 1. Returning capital to shareholders remains a key capital allocation priority and the strength of our balance sheet has allowed us to return capital to shareholders opportunistically through our share repurchase program. Our prior share repurchase program expired in September. And in Q2, our Board of Directors approved a new share repurchase program of up to $10,000,000 effective October 2023 through September 2024.

Speaker 3

In the Q2, we repurchased roughly 158,000 shares for $1,500,000 at an average price of $9.46 per share. Now turning to our outlook. Our brands remain strong with consumers and we continue to believe that fiscal 2024 could deliver full year net sales growth of up to 3.5%. As I noted earlier, Q2 net sales came in ahead of our expectations, a result that benefited from retailers placing orders earlier in the season than last year. As such, we now expect Q3 to be relatively flat compared to Q3 last year.

Speaker 3

And we continue to believe Q4 will follow our typical seasonal pattern, delivering net sales that are higher than Q1 of fiscal 2024. Turning to gross margins. We expect to see gross margins come in at between 44% 45% on a full fiscal 2024 basis, which would imply a slight decline in second half gross margins as well as a decline in our full year adjusted EBITDAS expectations. I'll walk you through those details now. With regard to margins, first, while second quarter Sales came in ahead of our expectations and we are maintaining our full year sales outlook, we are opting to invest more in promotions than we had originally planned.

Speaker 3

As we continue to pursue our share of wallet in the current uncertain consumer spending environment. 2nd, we are selectively discounting and converting to cash some of our slower moving inventory, primarily in shooting sports category. We believe the combination of these two initiatives will help us gain and protect market share, while further building and strengthening our balance sheet. 3rd, inventory purchases in the first half of the year and predominantly in the second quarter represent both a higher dollar spend as well as a mix of products that skewed towards higher tariffs as I discussed earlier. Accounting treatment requires that the variances created by the between our standard costs and actual costs to purchase inventory, mostly tariffs, be amortized across the 3rd 4th quarters and that will impact margins to a degree.

Speaker 3

And lastly, freight savings that we secured earlier this year are only recognized as the underlying inventory turns over, generally 6 months down the road. So the benefit Those cost reductions won't be fully recognized until our new fiscal year, which begins May 1. With regard to OpEx, we believe that overall operating expenses will decline slightly on a GAAP basis for fiscal 2024 as a result of reductions from facility consolidations, one time legal and advisory fees and IT implementation costs, offset by higher selling and distribution costs. On a non GAAP basis, OpEx will increase slightly mainly due to the higher selling and distribution costs. And recall here that we have SHOT Show in our Q3, which adds selling and marketing costs in Q3 that don't occur in Q4.

Speaker 3

Based on these factors, we expect our adjusted EBITDAS margin for fiscal 2024 to be between 4% 5.5%. As we enter fiscal 2025 in May, we expect to see the positive impacts on our adjusted EBITDAS of the savings initiatives I've outlined in today's call. With that, I'll hand it back to Brian.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Andy. In closing, We're pleased with our Q2 performance. I believe our results demonstrate our ability to manage those elements within our control, Delivering growth, innovation and a loyal customer base for our popular brands, while prudently managing our capital to allow us to invest in our long term growth. We have a number of reasons to be excited about the future. For instance, we're on track to deliver total net sales growth of up to 3.5% this fiscal year in alignment with our initial expectations.

Speaker 2

POS sales at retail for our outdoor lifestyle brands remain relatively favorable Shooting Sports and Outdoor Lifestyle, we'll begin launching in January and will continue launching through calendar 2024 and beyond. We are extending the reach of our legacy D2C brands such as Meat Your Maker with strategic retail partners. Our Bubba brand was named the official scale of Major League Fishing earlier this year and the new MLF season, which we believe will drive tremendous visibility for Bubba is set to kick off in January 2024. We have taken aggressive preemptive actions with regard to facility consolidation and space optimization, Freight cost reduction and a vendor change, all of which are designed to generate notable savings in fiscal 2025. Business consolidations are now complete and we have the capacity and resources to grow organically and through acquisition without adding incremental costs.

Speaker 2

And lastly, the M and A landscape appears to be heating up a bit. At the same time, our balance sheet remains extremely strong and we have no debt, affording us the ability to freely explore the growing number of acquisition opportunities we see on the horizon. Capitoff, we have a broad portfolio of authentic lifestyle brands, including Caldwell, Grilla, Bubba and others that continue to resonate with enthusiasts who are passionate about their outdoor activities. We couldn't be more excited about what lies ahead. With that, operator, please open the call for questions from our analysts.

Operator

Today's first question comes from Mark Smith with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, guys. First question for me, just wanted to dig in on adding meat into kind of Growth in the traditional channel without adding in those meat sales into Academy.

Speaker 2

Hey, Mark, it's Brian. The short answer is yes. We still have an increase despite the load in with Meat Your Maker. And all signs to this point are very positive. We're working with Academy to make sure that's a successful launch.

Speaker 2

Also great to see that our e commerce sales for the 4 days we mentioned in our prepared remarks from Black Friday to Cyber Monday Saw tremendous traction. So all signs are positive at this time. But yes, the underlying trends within traditional were also Very positive.

Speaker 4

Okay. Then shooting sports is obviously still a little bit tough. I'm curious if we can just At October at all, any call out as we saw mix get better, did you see increased demand as you look Point of sale data for some of your shooting sports products or did that not really apply? Was that purely more so just firearms?

Speaker 2

Yes. This is Brian again. So I would say that we alluded to aiming solutions Dragging down the overall sales in shooting sports, and that is definitely true. Our brands like Caldwell, Tipton, Wheeler Frankfurt Arsenal actually did very well, just given the other trends going on in the industry. So very pleased to see that, in particular, within categories that we've emphasized are good long term steady categories.

Speaker 2

So really the difference there, the delta came on the Aiming Solutions side.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then I just wanted to clarify, Andy, the EBITDAS margin guidance that you gave, can you just give that to us again?

Speaker 3

Yes. So the range that we're expecting is between 4% 5.5%.

Speaker 4

Okay. And so

Speaker 3

Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 4

I was just going to say, and it seems like a lot of that is The big driver of that is gross profit margin, looking for that to be down in the second half and you walk through some of those reasons?

Speaker 3

Yes. Great question. So, as I talked about in the prepared remarks, it's really kind of we kind of look at it in 3 pieces. So The majority is related to the investments that we've done in additional promotions and promotions we expect. So you saw a chunk of that in Q2.

Speaker 3

And really like Brian talked about in his remarks, it's protecting market share. We believe those are great investments to be relevant with our consumers. 2nd piece is kind of the higher tariff products that I talked about, a little bit above our expectations in Q2. And as I talked about actually on the Q1 call, those variances, the way that our accounting works is When those variances are recorded, they amortize off in roughly 6 months because we have about 6 months worth of inventory. So as those Variances came in Q2.

Speaker 3

We're expecting those to amortize off in Q4. The final piece is really inbound freight variances. So like tariffs, those are also capitalized in the first half and will amortize off in the second half. One thing I did want to kind of clarify though, we have seen significant savings in inbound freight since kind of the, I'll call it the craziness of a couple of years ago. What the delta relates to is more of a delay in timing of getting down to the expected rates, which we're seeing today, which is great.

Speaker 3

So it's really just a timing issue of when Those get amortized off in the second half of the year and we expect that that will provide a tailwind going into fiscal 'twenty five. And in fact, if you look at like a almost like a pro form a fiscal 'twenty four pro form a basis on EBITDAS Between those our current inbound freight rates and also those vendor savings that both Brian and I talked about, That would add almost $3,000,000 to the framework that 4% to 5.5% that I talked about.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Eric Wold with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. I guess, First off, a couple of questions around the launch of Meet into Academy. Is this exclusive to Academy for some point in time? You kind of referenced partners In your prepared remarks, will the product mix broaden over time?

Speaker 5

Will anything ever be exclusive to retail? And then How should we think about pricing at retail versus your DTC? Is it always going to be the same or What drives the delta there?

Speaker 2

Yes. Eric, it's Brian. So, love The interest around meat and it was a really good first expansion of the brand and we have plans to further expand it. And we teased at this for a few quarters just around wanting to make sure that we have the right partner before we introduce the brand. We saw tremendous growth direct to consumer before Beginning to introduce it.

Speaker 2

There were lots of things we wanted to do before that took place. Obviously, the right For us merchandising is critical, making sure that we can the brand can show up in the way that consumers will expect it to show up. And then also there are some differences between, let's say, the consumers that are shopping on our Web And some of the consumers that are walking into Academy stores. And so we have a slightly there are some shared products between the 2, But we do have some that are positioned more for Academy's customers and for that retail placement. So they're not one for 1 and that's intentional, really because we want this to be a win win and so far that's what we're seeing.

Speaker 2

Over time, I think, again, we want to be careful with the assortment. We have ambitious plans to increase the assortment of meat As we expand that product line over time and I would expect you continue to see some version of that showing up at retail, But ultimately complementing what we have online and really being that good partner for retailers. And then your question about pricing. Pricing in general is, I would say, pretty similar when it comes to EBITDA contribution It's the way that we look at it because while gross margins might be higher direct to consumer, you obviously have more support costs that go into Selling and marketing that product to consumers and you're also shipping each of, whereas with this, we're getting some scale No major delta between the 2.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Helpful. And then just last question, you mentioned that Some of the net sales upside in the quarter was driven by retailers ordering earlier in the season than you saw last year. I guess, what do you think drove that? And then Does that indicate anything around kind of more opportunity you're going to unlock open to buy dollars?

Speaker 5

And I guess as you talk to the partners, are you getting any sense of optimism about return to kind of more normalized ordering patterns? Or is that just Something seasonally this year that it should be read

Speaker 2

into. Yes, it's a really good question. So for Brian again here. I think it's a few things. One is, You probably saw yourself that you were getting pinged earlier than usual with different promotions that retailers are running to try to draw on consumers and brands are doing the same thing.

Speaker 2

And I think the retailers looking around at each other really felt they had to get out ahead of that in anticipation. So we saw more interest from Earlier than we typically do to bring on product. That in combination with the fact we've got a stellar Analytics team, sales ops team that is constantly looking at our inventories in the channel. And while these retailers have undergone a lot of change, sometimes you need to prompt them and say, look, here's where your inventories are at And it would make sense if you want to hit the timing and based on what everybody else is doing for you to make this buy, a little bit of FOMO, but it's real. They don't want to miss the mark and they want to make sure they have every opportunity to get the most out of the consumers' wallet.

Speaker 2

And so it's really those two things. I think just observing what their peers were doing, promotions going out earlier than planned, Some retailers having more inventory and wanting to get through that more quickly and seeing this as an opportune time to do that And everybody kind of playing catch up from the retailer standpoint. So, it really ramped up very, very quickly in terms of that interest, which we were pleased to see. But as a result, it led to, I guess, heading out of October,

Speaker 6

Yes. Thanks, Eric. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Matt Koranda with ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. It sounds like maybe we're starting to get a little bit of restocking activity in the traditional channel just based on the POS comments that you made and some of the I just wanted to see if maybe you could unpack for us where we're seeing the best lift in terms of brands for you guys or categories More broadly.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, Brian here. So really if you look at outdoor lifestyle category In particular, the brands and products that have what's new. We alluded to it last quarter. It was our strong belief that, as retailers were coming out of this trough and beginning to right size inventory, Seeing potential foot traffic decline, really emphasizing what's new.

Speaker 2

In fact, Academy had their call earlier today, Which we obviously listened to and that was one of the takeaways that I heard was, look, we need to be showing these consumers what's new, getting them into our stores And really separating ourselves from the pack. You're hearing that pretty consistently across the board. And so, our outdoor lifestyle brands We've done a really good job of introducing, keeping that continuous pipeline of innovation. So we have seen as part of that as evidence, And I didn't say this in the prepared remarks, but when we look at our POS data, it's the higher priced products and most of those higher priced products Have come from recent product introductions and that's where we're seeing some really good traction. So new products At higher ASPs and I think that helps the retailer obviously make up for some of the lower traffic numbers.

Speaker 2

And then within shooting sports, Pretty solid, I'd say results from our Marksman brands, Tipton, Wheeler, Frankfort, Caldwell And a very similar story there. It's new products really, really shine bright in the quarter. And then aiming solutions that just seems like a category right now that consumers and therefore dealers The retailers are just a little bit shy and kind of investing in a big way there. So it will come back, it always does. But right now, those are some of the takeaways that we have.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's really helpful, Brian. Thank you. And then, I guess help us square that with the forward look that says, hey, we're likely to get a little bit more Promotional over the next couple of quarters. I guess with the newness and the innovation you bring, I would assume that would bring less discounting.

Speaker 6

So maybe just talk a little bit about sort of the planned promotional strategy that you have. It did sound like, I guess, to be fair, a little bit of it was more shooting sports related, but Just unpack it for us so we can understand what the puts and takes are there.

Speaker 2

Yes, Matt, this is Brian. I can start and then Andy feel free to chime in. So I think the promotions that occurred in Q2, the way that Everything kind of came together in a way. I think retailers were experiencing a little bit of FOMO and making sure that they have There are incentives out earlier and therefore placing those orders was It's really, really important especially in the online channel with our e commerce retailers to capture that moment because If you capture that moment correctly, you see a lot of consumer pull through in this current period of time. It gives you this nice sort of visibility for the rest of the year for the most part.

Speaker 2

So this is a Honestly, you said relevancy. It's a great billboard for that. So one, wanted to make sure that we were capturing that. So as we look in the second half of the year, Will there be promotions? Certainly, they're going to be smart promotions.

Speaker 2

But I think it's going to be a slightly different flavor than what We did here in the Q2, which was very strategic and really taking advantage Of that trail that we're really going after to stay in front of the consumer. So anything you want to add on the second half? No. Yes. So we don't I don't see anything else there.

Speaker 2

I think we'll continue to be vigilant on the shooting sports side, where there are opportunities. But at the same time, we've got great product, great brands And we all know that will come back. So, we just want to be judicious there.

Speaker 6

Okay. Fair enough. And then just I know you addressed the meat sell in a little bit in the Q and A here, but maybe could you guys talk about The status of Grilla, because I know that was also something that you guys had planned to bring into the omnichannel this year potentially And just wanted to see what the latest update is there on Grilla entering sort of retail partners?

Speaker 2

Yes, Brian again. So that is still our plan. We wanted To lead with meat, that was further along in the process. The other thing with Grilla is, as I alluded to in the prepared remarks, We do have a major new product launch coming in the next few months here. And then in the following quarters, we have some additional ones that are truly innovative and fit with this Evolve Your Backyard where people have made significant investments in their backyard And we believe that Gorilla has every reason to be there.

Speaker 2

So we want to make sure that those product launches are done In a timely manner and if possible, are done well with the cadence along with retail. We Are really finding if we launch a new product direct to consumer, It depends on the product, but if it's a higher priced product and it's a little bit more innovative and we do a test run, we did it with like the Frankfurt Arsenal X10 when we did that. I think that maybe also done with the call to about Claymore is we got tremendous feedback. We're able to get complete ownership with our communities. In this case, we've got 25,000, 30,000 Gorilla users on Facebook, for example.

Speaker 2

And getting their support and buy in is critical. So running these ahead of time just sets the groundwork. So make once those pieces are all put together, you're talking about a really powerful retail expansion strategy. And so we need to make sure those things line up instead of just trying to sell grills into retail. I don't think that's going to be as successful.

Speaker 6

Okay. Fair enough. Just to clarify though that we should expect some form of retail sales for Grilla this year or we We're not ready to commit to that yet.

Speaker 2

I think it's fair to assume some retail placement, but It's going to be more testing than anything else. It's not anything that's going to change the model For this year.

Speaker 6

Okay. All right. Got it. Maybe just last one, you mentioned the M and A environment may be Kind of unfreezing a bit here as we move into the end of the year and into next year calendar wise. Maybe just How should we be thinking about sort of categories that you're interested in?

Speaker 6

And any just kind of early thoughts on sort of Timing of any potential acquisitions that could happen over the next year or so?

Speaker 2

Yes, things seem to be on fine. And based on what we're hearing from investment bankers Is that the first half of next year, first half of twenty twenty four, we're going to see more activity. There's already more pitch activity going on right now. Along with that, because of just a function of the investment banking fees, you tend to attract larger companies I can pay those fees. So some sizable brands should be coming to market.

Speaker 2

That's at least what we expect. And we're certainly aware of several of them that we expect to come to market. And then we also have our own proprietary pipeline in place and that's very strong. So we're seeing fewer Last time we spoke, we were seeing more distressed type deals. Certainly, they're out there, but we're beginning to see a return of companies that are able to establish Some level of run rate, but then they can take and defend as they go out into market.

Speaker 2

With regard to valuation, I think It's still a little too soon because there hasn't been enough just like real estate in a lower market, you don't see as many data points, right? So It's hard to say exactly where things are shaking out, but I think that debt the amount of debt a company can put on is a driving factor. I think you have financial buyers versus strategic. Financials are probably a little bit less Ambitious when it comes to over equitizing in a deal. And so that's where I think the debt piece is going to be critical, especially for financial buyers and those that are raising funds.

Speaker 2

So my expectation is that valuations are coming down. And in the first half of next year, I think we'll see a closer alignment to seller and buyer expectations. I think 3 months ago, there was a 6 months ago, there was a much bigger delta, but I think those are beginning to converge.

Speaker 6

Okay, very helpful. I'll take those mine offline guys. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is a follow-up from Mark Smith with Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. I just want to follow-up on Black Friday a little bit more in-depth and kind of 2 part here. First, if we just look at traditional, Did you guys participate a little bit more in Black Friday promotions around traditional retail this year versus last year. And maybe if you can break up any impact from that on sales and margin and how that would impact Q2 versus Q3?

Speaker 3

Yes, Mark, this is Andy. I think overall the promotional level at traditional was pretty consistent year over year. We worked with a number of retailers to in those types of promotions usually are front end where we'll discount product, sell that product to the retailer and then that retailer will run it in like a Black Friday ad or a mailer, those types of things. But overall, I think the level was it might be a little bit above last year, but nothing real notable.

Speaker 4

Okay. And the other part is, as we look at Grilla and meat that you guys called out some of the positive results there, Can you quantify or call out maybe how much of that was driven by being fairly promotional or heavy discount versus just kind of natural growth in those brands?

Speaker 2

Yes. You said Mark, you sound like me when I first heard the news. I'm like, Great. But was it profitable? And so I asked what I knew some of the promotions that We're planning to run, but just generally, did we see anything unexpected there?

Speaker 2

The good news is that, no, we didn't see anything unexpected. We didn't do anything above and beyond what would be, I guess, call it typical for us in prior years. So, it wasn't like buy a grill, get a trampoline or something like that. Very reasonable Black Friday, Cyber Monday deals And overall pleased with the EBITDA contribution we got from those.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thank you. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the call back to Brian Murphy for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. Before we close, I want to let everyone know that we'll be participating in the ROTH Conference in Deer Valley on December 14 15th. And in January, we'll be attending SHOT Show in Las Vegas. We hope to connect with some of you at these upcoming events. As we head into the holidays, I'd like to give a special thanks to our employees whose loyalty, hard work and dedication continues to move our company forward on the path towards an exciting long term future.

Speaker 2

To those employees and to everyone else who joined us today, We wish you a happy and healthy holiday season and we look forward to speaking with you again in next quarter.

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