NASDAQ:INNV InnovAge Q1 2024 Earnings Report $3.05 -0.02 (-0.65%) Closing price 04/28/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$3.03 -0.02 (-0.66%) As of 04/28/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast InnovAge EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.08Consensus EPS -$0.04Beat/MissMissed by -$0.04One Year Ago EPSN/AInnovAge Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$182.49 millionExpected Revenue$176.81 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.68 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AInnovAge Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date11/7/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, November 7, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsInnovAge's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q3 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by InnovAge Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 7, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Innovage First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. Operator00:00:22Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ryan Kubota, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining the Innovage fiscal 2024 First Quarter Earnings Call. With me today is Patrick Blair, President and CEO and Ben Adams, CFO. Doctor. Rich Pfeiffer, Our Chief Medical Officer will also be joining the Q and A portion of the call. Speaker 100:00:54Today, after the market close, We issued a press release containing detailed information on our quarterly results. You may access the release on our company website, innovage.com. For those listening to the rebroadcast of this call, we remind you that the remarks made herein are as of today, Tuesday, November 7, 2023, and have not been updated subsequent to this call. During our call, we will refer to certain non GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these measures The most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our fiscal Q1 2024 earnings release, which is posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:01:32We will also be making forward looking statements, including statements related to our future growth prospects, Florida de novo centers, potential acquisitions, Listeners are cautioned that all of our forward looking statements involve certain assumptions and are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties This can cause our actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to review the risk factors discussed in our Form 10 ks Annual Report For fiscal year 2023 and our subsequent reports filed with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10Q For our fiscal Q1 2024. After the completion of our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. I will now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Patrick Blair. Patrick? Speaker 200:02:28Thank you, Ryan, and good afternoon, everyone. I want to begin by expressing my ongoing gratitude to our Innovage colleagues, participants, government partners and the investor communities for the organization. As it's only been 2 months since we reported fiscal year 'twenty three results on September 12, my remarks will be brief and hit on our results for the Q1 of fiscal year 24 in progress in our key focus areas. The company's Q1 results were in line with our expectations and reflect continued momentum in our people, service, quality, growth and financial performance measures. Our progress in these areas gives us confidence We're growing our business in a financially responsible way, delivering high quality service to our participants, all while ensuring our employees are engaged and committed to our mission. Speaker 200:03:16I'll spend more time on these areas in a moment. We reported revenue of $182,500,000 The increase of approximately 3.2% compared to the Q4 of fiscal year 2023 and center level contribution margin of $27,900,000 which represents a 15.3% margin. Adjusted EBITDA was $2,200,000 for the quarter, which represents a significant improvement compared to the Q4 of fiscal year 2023, which was approximately $700,000 Since it's increased to 6,580, which represents a quarter over quarter improvement of 2.8%. The results represent continued sequential improvement and we remain convinced that we have the capacity to deliver even more value To our federal, state and shareholder partners over time. We have the right team in place and we continue to build and enhance our processes and technology. Speaker 200:04:13It now boils down to driving consistent execution. That said, we're still in the early innings post sanctions and on the path back to unlocking the full potential of the organization. We remain focused on growing into the slack capacity at our existing centers, which is creating operating leverage and enabling contribution margin improvement through incremental enrollments until we reach targeted staffing ratios. Particularly in the Colorado market, enrollment growth is driving better center labor utilization, and this is also helping rebalance our mix of new and tenured participants, which should improve participant PMPM expense over time. While we remain steadfast in our sense of service, It will take us time to achieve the full impact of the performance of the patient's expectations. Speaker 200:04:59For example, while overall external provider costs were modestly higher than Q4 Fiscal year 2023, we observed positive trends within the quarter, which indicates the clinical value initiatives we launched in earnest late last year We're starting to impact our medical cost. As we noted in our last call, we expect improvement in our medical costs throughout the fiscal year as our initiatives mature and growth positively impacts our participant mix. Turning back to our performance across people, service, quality, growth and financial measures. We've just concluded our quarterly reporting for employee engagement, our people measure, participant Net Promoter Score or NPS, our service measure and clinical quality. Our employee engagement score increased by 5% to 77%, reflecting increases in 12 of our centers. Speaker 200:05:53Our participant NPS increased by 13 points to 47, reflecting improvement in 15 of our centers. And based on the NPS methodology, we believe our score positions us comparatively among the top tier of healthcare organizations. From a quality perspective, we're seeing solid results in inpatient utilization, fall rates and cognitive screens among others. And we believe our results reflect top tier performance among PACE organizations. It's our strong belief that when we have highly engaged employees Delivering great service and quality, growth and financial performance will follow. Speaker 200:06:28I'll now spend a few minutes walking through our key focus areas. Starting with existing center growth, new participant monthly gross enrollment is back to pre sanction levels. We enrolled over 200 participants across all of our centers August September, which is consistent with the company's best pre sanctioned periods. Specifically, the enrollment ramp in our previously sanctioned markets It continues to gain momentum as Sacramento was now at pre sanctioned levels and Colorado has seen monthly sequential improvement over the last 6 months. Further, our East region gross enrollments are up 33% for the Q1 of fiscal year 2024 compared to the Q1 of fiscal year 2023. Speaker 200:07:08Contributing to our post sanction enrollment ramp is the success of our new digital marketing initiatives. We've seen 1st quarter sales qualified leads increase by Approximately 75% year over year, which gives us increasing confidence that our marketing messages are reaching our target audiences And there is strong interest in our value proposition from underserved seniors looking for services and supports to help them stay safely in their homes as they age. Given the increased digital lead volume, we've made a modest investment in inside sales team that is working the digital leads, which allows our field enrollment teams to remain focused on self generated leads from our community referral partners. While it's still early days for the inside sales capability, We're optimistic about the impact on growth, field enrollment productivity and reducing participant acquisition costs. You'll recall last quarter, we touched on enrollment as a joint effort between Innovage and our state partners and the state subcontractors Who may perform assessments, validate our assessments and ultimately process the applications and activate new enrollments. Speaker 200:08:13We continue to observe situational delays in some markets in the processing of enrollment applications and we primarily attribute this to state resource constraints. While this doesn't impact the eligibility of our prospective participants, it can delay enrollments and cause eligible participants to seek other solutions. We are working collaboratively with all the stakeholders for which we have some dependency to address delays proactively as they surface to ensure we can enroll deserving seniors I'd like to take a moment to thank our partners for their ongoing support and collaboration as we work together to help more seniors benefit from PACE. In Florida, we continue to make progress on the administrative requirements to open centers in Tampa and Orlando. We recently moved to the next stage of the process in Tampa, which is the final review by CMS. Speaker 200:09:02In Orlando, we conducted the state readiness review in October and anticipate feedback imminently. You'll recall from last quarter's update that we're targeting opening around the end of the calendar year. While we are doing everything in our control to open these centers as Quickly as we can, not all the steps are in our locus of control. It is becoming increasingly likely that opening dates for Tampa and Orlando could shift early in the New Year. Overall, we remain enthusiastic that these two centers will expand our total center and census capacity by over 20% and believe each center with census capacity of 1300 will meaningfully increase our overall organic growth curve over the next couple of years. Speaker 200:09:43Regarding our de novo center in Downey, California, a large market Southeast of Los Angeles, we continue to work with the Department of Health Care Services in California toward a mid year calendar 2024 opening. We're excited to get these new centers up and running and serving the communities. In addition to same center organic growth, We believe these new locations create visibility into multi year double digit top line growth and embedded future earnings. Operationally, we continue to make meaningful progress improving how we're managing our sitters according to what we call the 1 Innovage way. We're reducing variation in business processes, policies and procedures among our centers, which is leading to improvements in operational compliance, productivity, Clinical quality and unit economics across our platform. Speaker 200:10:30Clinically, we continue to strengthen our payer capabilities through our clinical value initiatives. This quarter, we achieved meaningful improvements in inpatient utilization, which was 5.3% relative to 5.8% in the Q4 of fiscal year 2023. We've kept our short stay skilled nursing utilization rate below 2% this quarter, which you'll recall was down approximately 23% in fiscal year 2023 relative to fiscal year 2022. And we've begun transitioning our assisted living facility and nursing home providers into high performing networks, which include providers who consistently deliver more compliant and higher quality care, lower costs and are more collaborative with our care teams. We're excited about the impact this will have on the quality of care we can offer our participants. Speaker 200:11:17Further, we continue to work with our vendors to identify improvements in risk score capture accuracy. Counterbalancing the improvements in utilization that we're seeing, we have observed some modest increase in inpatient unit cost And higher outpatient services utilization in the Q1, which isn't unexpected as we continue to work through the lingering risk pool impacts of the Colorado sanction on participant acuity. We continue to work through the multiple levers to get to targeted levels and ensure a financially attractive margin overall. Regarding technology, we have 14 of our 17 centers live on Epic, with the remainder scheduled for the 2nd fiscal quarter. Though it takes time to realize the full extent of anticipated benefits of our new system, we're encouraged by the operational efficiencies That are emerging and the positive feedback our administrative and clinical teams are sharing. Speaker 200:12:06For example, since going live in Pennsylvania, Virginia and Colorado, We've exchanged over 200,000 participant health records with specialists and hospital partners using Epic's interoperability capability within their provider ecosystem. Previously, this level of health information exchange consumed significant labor and time and was prone to inefficiency and rework. Now, we have a single record source, which is shared and available real time with many of our external partners. We expect that in time, the network effect will grow and it will enable better service, access, quality, costs and labor efficiency. Further, EPYC ranks its users against the overall EPYC community as our clinicians go live and features are implemented. Speaker 200:12:52As a testament to our early progress, EPYC has shared with us that we're in the top quartile of feature adoption in the areas of physician productivity, nurse productivity and population health management. As I've mentioned, these are all dials and not switches, but we're pleased to see these activities starting to have an impact and ultimately value on our business. In summary, we're just beginning to unlock the full potential of the organization. I greatly appreciate the continued commitment from our more than 2,100 colleagues nationally And the ongoing support of our valued government partners. We remain focused on demonstrating incremental improvement quarter over quarter in each of our focus areas. Speaker 200:13:30I believe there is momentum building from our team's work and in time this will translate to improve financial performance and enable us to return to normalized margins. We are humbled by the responsibility to serve the many underserved PACE eligibles in our communities and are thrilled to be returning to responsible growth. With that, I'll turn it over to Ben to review the financials in detail. Speaker 300:13:51Thank you, Patrick. Today, I will provide some highlights from our Q1 fiscal year 2024 financial performance compared to the Q4 as well as provide insight into some of the trends we are seeing And as we enter the winter months of the year, while it's still early in the fiscal year, we continue to track and make progress on the guidance targets we provided on our Q4 earnings call. Starting with Sensus. We ended the Q1 of fiscal year 2024 with 17 centers and approximately 6,580 participants As of September 30, 2023, this represents an ending census increase of 2.8% compared to last quarter. We reported approximately 19,540 member months in the Q1 of fiscal year 2024, A 2.3% increase compared to the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:14:56Total revenue increased by 3.2% to $182,500,000 in the Q1 compared to the Q4, primarily due to an increase in member months, Coupled with an increase in capitation rates associated with annual Medicaid rate increases effective July 1 and partially offset By favorable Medicare risk score true ups recorded in the 4th quarter. We incurred $99,400,000 of external provider costs during the Q1 of fiscal 2024, a 4.6% increase compared to the 4th quarter. The sequential increase was driven by an increase in member months as we continue to grow Sensus, coupled with an increase in cost per participant. The cost per participant increase was driven by higher assisted living and nursing Unit cost as a result of annual provider increases, higher cost per admission due to acuity and an increase in pharmacy expense. These costs were partially offset by reductions in permanent and short stay nursing utilization and a reduction in inpatient utilization. Speaker 300:16:18Cost of care, Excluding depreciation and amortization of $55,300,000 was 3.5% higher compared to the Q4. Primary cost drivers include salaries, wages and benefits, primarily associated with annual merit increases and an increase in fleet and contract transportation utilization These costs were partially offset by a reduction in 3rd party audit remediation and consulting costs. Central level contribution margin, which we define as total revenue less external provider costs and cost of care, Excluding depreciation and amortization was $27,900,000 for the quarter compared to $28,500,000 in the 4th quarter. As a percentage of revenue, Center level contribution margin was 15.3% compared to 16.1% in the 4th quarter. Sales and marketing expense was $5,400,000 a $750,000 decrease compared to the prior quarter. Speaker 300:17:41The decrease was mainly due to lower marketing spend as we focused on our digital channels in the Q1 ahead of a new marketing campaign that we launched this month. Corporate, general and administrative expense Declined slightly to $28,900,000 a $50,000 decrease compared to the 4th quarter. Net loss was $11,000,000 compared to a net loss of $12,000,000 in the 4th quarter. We reported a net loss per share of $0.08 on both the basic and diluted basis, And our weighted average share count was approximately 135,800,000 shares for the quarter on both the basic and fully diluted basis. Adjusted EBITDA, which we calculate by adding interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, De novo losses and other non recurring or exceptional cost to net loss was $2,200,000 for the quarter compared to $700,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:18:53Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 1.2% for the fiscal year Compared to 0.4% in the 4th quarter. Adjusted EBITDA of $2,200,000 is inclusive of de novo losses, which was $1,600,000 for the Q1 and primarily related to our centers in Florida. This compares to $1,500,000 of de novo losses in the 4th quarter. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $88,400,000 in cash and cash equivalents, plus $46,800,000 in short term investments. Speaker 300:19:40We had $85,500,000 in total debt on the balance sheet, representing debt under our senior secured term loan plus finance, lease obligations and other commitments. For the Q1, we recorded negative cash flow from operations of $33,600,000 inclusive of approximately $15,000,000 in delayed payments from California That we received in October, and we had $2,600,000 of capital expenditures. Finally, I will briefly touch on some of the trends that are developing as we head into the winter months. Regarding census, our census growth is tracking in line with our guidance expectations. As Patrick mentioned, We continue to expect that states will have short term constraints around their ability to process new enrollments as they prioritize their needs to process Medicaid redeterminations along with their other obligations. Speaker 300:20:47However, we are not seeing that impact our census in a meaningful way. Regarding revenue and rates, We have yet to finalize Medicaid rates in New Mexico and remain in active discussions with the state for fiscal year 2024. In California, we have started the annual rate process with the state and we expect to know more about the state's timing in the coming weeks. Regarding cost trends, as we head into the winter months, it is important to remember that we typically see an increase in external as a result of seasonality. Specifically, we expect to see higher inpatient and short stay nursing home utilization as well as increased acuity of our participant mix. Speaker 300:21:40In closing, we continue to focus on Proving the margin profile of the business by concentrating on the key drivers we highlighted last quarter. Accelerating census growth, which also serves to rebalance the participant risk pool as well as to unlock staffing capacity. Ensuring our participant risk scores are commensurate with our risk pool through improved participant data management as we fully implement EPIC Optimizing revenue per participant through proactive actuarial discussions with our state Medicaid agencies and executing on clinical value initiatives to improve participant care and reduce unnecessary costs. We hope to share more information on these key initiatives on our next call. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. Speaker 300:22:36Please open the call for questions. Operator00:22:40Thank you. Please wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Purce with Goldman Sachs. Operator00:23:05Your line is open. Speaker 400:23:10Hey, thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to start with just some of the Comments on enrollment trends and just your level of confidence in the guidance that you laid out so far And your progress this year. Maybe comment on the headwind you're experiencing in terms of enrollment, how much that Impacts guidance for the year. And then also just the Florida delay and potential opening of Those centers in the early part of next calendar year, how much was contemplated in guidance with respect to that? Speaker 400:23:47And Should we be thinking about that as a headwind relative to your prior guidance? Speaker 200:23:54Well, thanks, Jamie. I'll just start and then hand it over to In terms of just our confidence levels and momentum around enrollment, we're feeling very good about the progress we're making across all of our We're pushing ourselves every month on this. Every month, I'm pushing the team to find some new way To accelerate our growth, and I think the team is doing a great job. I think in my prepared remarks, I talked a bit about the inside sales capability, which is a new capability that we're Seeing some early indicators that it's going to have an impact. And I think there's still incremental opportunities out there to become more We look at Colorado or Sacramento, some of the new markets that are coming online, we're feeling really positive About the momentum that the team is building and in our markets that have been online for a while, we're achieving some better growth rates than we have in the past. Speaker 200:24:53So overall, feeling really good about that. In terms of the headwinds, I think you're referring to or just comments related to the processing Of enrollments, we pointed that out a couple of times. I think last quarter was the first time we raised that. Really, as I said in the remarks, it's really situational. It's not happening in every market. Speaker 200:25:15We're working through Each of those issues with our states at this point, we're not concerned that It's a wider scale issue that we have to be concerned with. The team is just doing a good job. It's just one of those things that I think it's the first time we've really seen resource constraints in some of our markets as it relates to processing enrollments. And We know both our states and CMS have a lot on their plates as it relates to redetermination. So I think those are some of the highlights on existing growth. Speaker 200:25:53I'll pass it over to Ben, let him hit Florida and sort of how to think about guidance. Speaker 300:25:57Yes. I mean, I think Patrick actually captured most of it there. The one thing I'd say is, if you take a look at the growth that we had in the Q1, Both in terms of census and member months and then begin to annualize out those rates, you sort of end up at a place where it makes you feel Pretty comfortable about guidance. And if you also look at what's happening, I think, in the enrollments over the last couple of months, It feels like we're building momentum on the enrollments slightly on a month over month basis. So I think you sort of factor those things 2 things together and you feel like We're pretty confident we're going to end up right in the guidance range. Speaker 400:26:38Okay, great. I appreciate those comments. My Next question is just the external provider costs. Those were a little bit higher than we expected. It sounds like Some of that was in Colorado and just the shift in acuity there, the mix of patients. Speaker 400:26:58Can you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing in the inpatient and outpatient utilization trends? And then I guess Any comments on how to think about the cadence? It sounds like you typically see a step up In the calendar Q4, your Q2, just around flu and all the dynamics that go with that and As well as COVID. So maybe just any comments to frame what we should think about for the step up in exterm provider costs sequentially? Thank you. Speaker 200:27:32You bet. Thank you, Jimmy. Again, I'll kind of get this started, then I'll hand it off to Doctor. Pfeiffer to put a finer point on it. When I think about From a participant expense perspective, maybe what's not going exactly to plan, it's really a couple of hotspots around ER admissions. Speaker 200:27:48We've always done a great job managing ER admissions and we saw a little bit of a tick up relative to historical trends. And so we've got a number of initiatives lined up against that. I think we have 11 or 12 initiatives that really focus on making sure people call us before And I feel confident in the work that Rich and the team are doing. So I think that's one that hopefully just kind of falls back into line. The second area is around inpatient unit cost. Speaker 200:28:18As we noted, we're seeing some improvements in inpatient utilization, and I think maybe that's a variance with what some of the other Payers might be reporting. For us, it's probably hypothesis is maybe it's more acuity, but on the unit cost side. And so We're digging into that trying to answer why that's happening, but I'll let Rich just go a little bit deeper on each of those. And Your point about seasonality, it will play a role given how frail our population is for sure, whether that be flu or COVID. So it won't be a perfect straight line quarter by quarter of the drop in the anticipated, I I should say the anticipated improvements in medical costs, but we think we're doing all the right things. Speaker 200:29:03We've got a lot of great initiatives that are underway, It just takes a while for them to flow through sort of the cost structure. And as you know, at this point, we're really Incomplete on a lot of the claims history. So there's a lot of estimates still in our numbers. And we'll just let those things play through as well. But overall, really Good about the team and what they're focused on. Speaker 200:29:27But let me ask Rich to hit his finer points on each of those. Speaker 500:29:31Great. Thanks, Patrick. Let me pick up where you left off on the second question about respiratory illness and seasonality. We are already Seeing an uptick in respiratory illness, but we are not seeing that translate into higher inpatient utilization At this point, although we do anticipate that to some extent and we budget for it, we are working really hard to maximize influenza and COVID vaccination rates To protect our population, we are seeing more COVID just as everyone is seeing in the community, but so far most of those cases are actually mild Even in our vulnerable population. Back to the point about outpatient utilization, as Patrick said, we are seeing Very effective reductions through a lot of the interventions of our team reductions in inpatient utilization. Speaker 500:30:16And in some ways that's leaving Those who are ultimately admitted to be more severely afflicted and have higher unit costs because They're the ones who really need to be admitted. So in some ways, it shouldn't be surprising to us that we're seeing some increase in severity or acuity in addition To the aging of our population, but we're working on that very closely to ensure that there aren't things that we could mitigate whether they be rates Or steerage to lower cost providers. I'd also echo Patrick's point around ER diversion because we are seeing increases In ER utilization, which are going in the other direction from inpatient, part of that relates to our facility partners, assisted living facilities And nursing homes and to Patrick's point earlier around moving to a high performance network, part of our definition of a high performance network going forward will be How well those facilities work with us when there is a minor change of condition, so that we can address that change of condition without utilizing the emergency room, so that's Speaker 400:31:25Thank you. Appreciate the comments. Operator00:31:28Thank you. One moment. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew with William Blair. Your line is now open. Hi. Speaker 600:31:45This is actually Madeleine on for Matt. Kind of following up on the patient acuity question. I know one of the things that you were anticipating once The sanctions were listed was that the patient acuity mix would normalize a little bit because you were able to enroll new patients. Can you talk a little bit about like what you're seeing in terms of new enrollee, patient acuity and how that mix might have changed now that you've had a couple of months of being able to enroll patients? Speaker 200:32:13Sure. I'll start again and have Rich fill with any gaps. The first thing I would Say is that the sort of the mix issue is obviously very dependent on the rate of growth of our new enrollment and the progression Of our existing patient base and disenrollment, frankly, that's attributable to death. All those factors come kind of play into the risk pool changing. What I would say is If I think about the mix of new participants, again, still early because it's there was a bit of a ramp in Colorado in particular. Speaker 200:32:52But I think one of the things we're starting to see is fewer people enrolling with us that are in an assisted living facility. PACE is a great solution for people and that's an important lever for us To avoid nursing facility care, and I think historically, we maybe saw a little bit higher levels of assisted living facility Enrollments, I think we're starting to see some of that, let's call it, backlog pent up demand maybe starting to play through. So our mix is increasingly looking more and more what we would expect a community mix to look like Between people in nursing homes, people in assisted living and people who are coming to us living independently. So Still early, but seeing some good signs that again the work that Rich is leading is having an impact and our high performing network is another great example of Making sure we're providing all the access that's necessary for this, but let me ask Rich to jump in. Speaker 500:34:00Well, yes, exactly as Patrick said, We are seeing lower acuity people being enrolled than our existing population by definition because these are people who are living either independently or in assisted living. Now we have had and seen a backlog of interested people, people wanting to enroll in Innovate PACE who were living in assisted living In Colorado, and as that backlog work itself out, we're seeing much higher rates of true independent living and so our acuity and our mix will become even more favorable over time. Speaker 600:34:33Got it. Thanks. That's really helpful. And then just one more on the de novos. With the Florida de novos maybe being Pushed back a little bit. Speaker 600:34:42Is that changing how you're thinking about the full year de novo losses? Speaker 300:34:48Ben? Yes. I mean, the Florida facilities, if they're going to get pushed back or going to get pushed back by a relatively Small amount of time. These are things where we might move it back by 4 weeks or 8 weeks. What you find is that We have de novo losses associated with those facilities. Speaker 300:35:09To the extent that those get pushed back, the de novo losses are decreased slightly for the course of the year. At this point, I think we're sticking with the guidance that we've got related to de novo losses. But as we get towards February, where we hope we're going to have an Investor Day, we'll know a lot more about the business. We'll know a lot more about timing of the floor facilities. To the extent there are any updates to be given then, we'll give them them. Speaker 200:35:35Yes. I would just add one last point on that is, obviously, we're timing our hiring And being very agile and being absolutely certain that we ensure we don't assume any cost Any earlier than is absolutely necessary. So we're managing this very well. Speaker 300:35:53Yes, that's important for me. Speaker 600:35:57Great. Thank you. Operator00:36:00Thank you. I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. 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Email Address About InnovAgeInnovAge (NASDAQ:INNV) manages and provides a range of medical and ancillary services for seniors in need of care and support to live independently in its homes and communities. The company manages its business through Program of All-Inclusive Care for the Elderly (PACE) approach. It also offers in-home care services consisting of skilled, unskilled, and personal care; in-center services, such as primary care, physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, dental services, mental health and psychiatric services, meals, and activities; transportation to the PACE center and third-party medical appointments; and care management. The company serves participants in the United States; and operates PACE centers in Colorado, California, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Virginia. The company was formerly known as TCO Group Holdings, Inc. and changed its name to InnovAge Holding Corp. in January 2021. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Innovage First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. Operator00:00:22Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ryan Kubota, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining the Innovage fiscal 2024 First Quarter Earnings Call. With me today is Patrick Blair, President and CEO and Ben Adams, CFO. Doctor. Rich Pfeiffer, Our Chief Medical Officer will also be joining the Q and A portion of the call. Speaker 100:00:54Today, after the market close, We issued a press release containing detailed information on our quarterly results. You may access the release on our company website, innovage.com. For those listening to the rebroadcast of this call, we remind you that the remarks made herein are as of today, Tuesday, November 7, 2023, and have not been updated subsequent to this call. During our call, we will refer to certain non GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these measures The most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our fiscal Q1 2024 earnings release, which is posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 100:01:32We will also be making forward looking statements, including statements related to our future growth prospects, Florida de novo centers, potential acquisitions, Listeners are cautioned that all of our forward looking statements involve certain assumptions and are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties This can cause our actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to review the risk factors discussed in our Form 10 ks Annual Report For fiscal year 2023 and our subsequent reports filed with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10Q For our fiscal Q1 2024. After the completion of our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. I will now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Patrick Blair. Patrick? Speaker 200:02:28Thank you, Ryan, and good afternoon, everyone. I want to begin by expressing my ongoing gratitude to our Innovage colleagues, participants, government partners and the investor communities for the organization. As it's only been 2 months since we reported fiscal year 'twenty three results on September 12, my remarks will be brief and hit on our results for the Q1 of fiscal year 24 in progress in our key focus areas. The company's Q1 results were in line with our expectations and reflect continued momentum in our people, service, quality, growth and financial performance measures. Our progress in these areas gives us confidence We're growing our business in a financially responsible way, delivering high quality service to our participants, all while ensuring our employees are engaged and committed to our mission. Speaker 200:03:16I'll spend more time on these areas in a moment. We reported revenue of $182,500,000 The increase of approximately 3.2% compared to the Q4 of fiscal year 2023 and center level contribution margin of $27,900,000 which represents a 15.3% margin. Adjusted EBITDA was $2,200,000 for the quarter, which represents a significant improvement compared to the Q4 of fiscal year 2023, which was approximately $700,000 Since it's increased to 6,580, which represents a quarter over quarter improvement of 2.8%. The results represent continued sequential improvement and we remain convinced that we have the capacity to deliver even more value To our federal, state and shareholder partners over time. We have the right team in place and we continue to build and enhance our processes and technology. Speaker 200:04:13It now boils down to driving consistent execution. That said, we're still in the early innings post sanctions and on the path back to unlocking the full potential of the organization. We remain focused on growing into the slack capacity at our existing centers, which is creating operating leverage and enabling contribution margin improvement through incremental enrollments until we reach targeted staffing ratios. Particularly in the Colorado market, enrollment growth is driving better center labor utilization, and this is also helping rebalance our mix of new and tenured participants, which should improve participant PMPM expense over time. While we remain steadfast in our sense of service, It will take us time to achieve the full impact of the performance of the patient's expectations. Speaker 200:04:59For example, while overall external provider costs were modestly higher than Q4 Fiscal year 2023, we observed positive trends within the quarter, which indicates the clinical value initiatives we launched in earnest late last year We're starting to impact our medical cost. As we noted in our last call, we expect improvement in our medical costs throughout the fiscal year as our initiatives mature and growth positively impacts our participant mix. Turning back to our performance across people, service, quality, growth and financial measures. We've just concluded our quarterly reporting for employee engagement, our people measure, participant Net Promoter Score or NPS, our service measure and clinical quality. Our employee engagement score increased by 5% to 77%, reflecting increases in 12 of our centers. Speaker 200:05:53Our participant NPS increased by 13 points to 47, reflecting improvement in 15 of our centers. And based on the NPS methodology, we believe our score positions us comparatively among the top tier of healthcare organizations. From a quality perspective, we're seeing solid results in inpatient utilization, fall rates and cognitive screens among others. And we believe our results reflect top tier performance among PACE organizations. It's our strong belief that when we have highly engaged employees Delivering great service and quality, growth and financial performance will follow. Speaker 200:06:28I'll now spend a few minutes walking through our key focus areas. Starting with existing center growth, new participant monthly gross enrollment is back to pre sanction levels. We enrolled over 200 participants across all of our centers August September, which is consistent with the company's best pre sanctioned periods. Specifically, the enrollment ramp in our previously sanctioned markets It continues to gain momentum as Sacramento was now at pre sanctioned levels and Colorado has seen monthly sequential improvement over the last 6 months. Further, our East region gross enrollments are up 33% for the Q1 of fiscal year 2024 compared to the Q1 of fiscal year 2023. Speaker 200:07:08Contributing to our post sanction enrollment ramp is the success of our new digital marketing initiatives. We've seen 1st quarter sales qualified leads increase by Approximately 75% year over year, which gives us increasing confidence that our marketing messages are reaching our target audiences And there is strong interest in our value proposition from underserved seniors looking for services and supports to help them stay safely in their homes as they age. Given the increased digital lead volume, we've made a modest investment in inside sales team that is working the digital leads, which allows our field enrollment teams to remain focused on self generated leads from our community referral partners. While it's still early days for the inside sales capability, We're optimistic about the impact on growth, field enrollment productivity and reducing participant acquisition costs. You'll recall last quarter, we touched on enrollment as a joint effort between Innovage and our state partners and the state subcontractors Who may perform assessments, validate our assessments and ultimately process the applications and activate new enrollments. Speaker 200:08:13We continue to observe situational delays in some markets in the processing of enrollment applications and we primarily attribute this to state resource constraints. While this doesn't impact the eligibility of our prospective participants, it can delay enrollments and cause eligible participants to seek other solutions. We are working collaboratively with all the stakeholders for which we have some dependency to address delays proactively as they surface to ensure we can enroll deserving seniors I'd like to take a moment to thank our partners for their ongoing support and collaboration as we work together to help more seniors benefit from PACE. In Florida, we continue to make progress on the administrative requirements to open centers in Tampa and Orlando. We recently moved to the next stage of the process in Tampa, which is the final review by CMS. Speaker 200:09:02In Orlando, we conducted the state readiness review in October and anticipate feedback imminently. You'll recall from last quarter's update that we're targeting opening around the end of the calendar year. While we are doing everything in our control to open these centers as Quickly as we can, not all the steps are in our locus of control. It is becoming increasingly likely that opening dates for Tampa and Orlando could shift early in the New Year. Overall, we remain enthusiastic that these two centers will expand our total center and census capacity by over 20% and believe each center with census capacity of 1300 will meaningfully increase our overall organic growth curve over the next couple of years. Speaker 200:09:43Regarding our de novo center in Downey, California, a large market Southeast of Los Angeles, we continue to work with the Department of Health Care Services in California toward a mid year calendar 2024 opening. We're excited to get these new centers up and running and serving the communities. In addition to same center organic growth, We believe these new locations create visibility into multi year double digit top line growth and embedded future earnings. Operationally, we continue to make meaningful progress improving how we're managing our sitters according to what we call the 1 Innovage way. We're reducing variation in business processes, policies and procedures among our centers, which is leading to improvements in operational compliance, productivity, Clinical quality and unit economics across our platform. Speaker 200:10:30Clinically, we continue to strengthen our payer capabilities through our clinical value initiatives. This quarter, we achieved meaningful improvements in inpatient utilization, which was 5.3% relative to 5.8% in the Q4 of fiscal year 2023. We've kept our short stay skilled nursing utilization rate below 2% this quarter, which you'll recall was down approximately 23% in fiscal year 2023 relative to fiscal year 2022. And we've begun transitioning our assisted living facility and nursing home providers into high performing networks, which include providers who consistently deliver more compliant and higher quality care, lower costs and are more collaborative with our care teams. We're excited about the impact this will have on the quality of care we can offer our participants. Speaker 200:11:17Further, we continue to work with our vendors to identify improvements in risk score capture accuracy. Counterbalancing the improvements in utilization that we're seeing, we have observed some modest increase in inpatient unit cost And higher outpatient services utilization in the Q1, which isn't unexpected as we continue to work through the lingering risk pool impacts of the Colorado sanction on participant acuity. We continue to work through the multiple levers to get to targeted levels and ensure a financially attractive margin overall. Regarding technology, we have 14 of our 17 centers live on Epic, with the remainder scheduled for the 2nd fiscal quarter. Though it takes time to realize the full extent of anticipated benefits of our new system, we're encouraged by the operational efficiencies That are emerging and the positive feedback our administrative and clinical teams are sharing. Speaker 200:12:06For example, since going live in Pennsylvania, Virginia and Colorado, We've exchanged over 200,000 participant health records with specialists and hospital partners using Epic's interoperability capability within their provider ecosystem. Previously, this level of health information exchange consumed significant labor and time and was prone to inefficiency and rework. Now, we have a single record source, which is shared and available real time with many of our external partners. We expect that in time, the network effect will grow and it will enable better service, access, quality, costs and labor efficiency. Further, EPYC ranks its users against the overall EPYC community as our clinicians go live and features are implemented. Speaker 200:12:52As a testament to our early progress, EPYC has shared with us that we're in the top quartile of feature adoption in the areas of physician productivity, nurse productivity and population health management. As I've mentioned, these are all dials and not switches, but we're pleased to see these activities starting to have an impact and ultimately value on our business. In summary, we're just beginning to unlock the full potential of the organization. I greatly appreciate the continued commitment from our more than 2,100 colleagues nationally And the ongoing support of our valued government partners. We remain focused on demonstrating incremental improvement quarter over quarter in each of our focus areas. Speaker 200:13:30I believe there is momentum building from our team's work and in time this will translate to improve financial performance and enable us to return to normalized margins. We are humbled by the responsibility to serve the many underserved PACE eligibles in our communities and are thrilled to be returning to responsible growth. With that, I'll turn it over to Ben to review the financials in detail. Speaker 300:13:51Thank you, Patrick. Today, I will provide some highlights from our Q1 fiscal year 2024 financial performance compared to the Q4 as well as provide insight into some of the trends we are seeing And as we enter the winter months of the year, while it's still early in the fiscal year, we continue to track and make progress on the guidance targets we provided on our Q4 earnings call. Starting with Sensus. We ended the Q1 of fiscal year 2024 with 17 centers and approximately 6,580 participants As of September 30, 2023, this represents an ending census increase of 2.8% compared to last quarter. We reported approximately 19,540 member months in the Q1 of fiscal year 2024, A 2.3% increase compared to the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:14:56Total revenue increased by 3.2% to $182,500,000 in the Q1 compared to the Q4, primarily due to an increase in member months, Coupled with an increase in capitation rates associated with annual Medicaid rate increases effective July 1 and partially offset By favorable Medicare risk score true ups recorded in the 4th quarter. We incurred $99,400,000 of external provider costs during the Q1 of fiscal 2024, a 4.6% increase compared to the 4th quarter. The sequential increase was driven by an increase in member months as we continue to grow Sensus, coupled with an increase in cost per participant. The cost per participant increase was driven by higher assisted living and nursing Unit cost as a result of annual provider increases, higher cost per admission due to acuity and an increase in pharmacy expense. These costs were partially offset by reductions in permanent and short stay nursing utilization and a reduction in inpatient utilization. Speaker 300:16:18Cost of care, Excluding depreciation and amortization of $55,300,000 was 3.5% higher compared to the Q4. Primary cost drivers include salaries, wages and benefits, primarily associated with annual merit increases and an increase in fleet and contract transportation utilization These costs were partially offset by a reduction in 3rd party audit remediation and consulting costs. Central level contribution margin, which we define as total revenue less external provider costs and cost of care, Excluding depreciation and amortization was $27,900,000 for the quarter compared to $28,500,000 in the 4th quarter. As a percentage of revenue, Center level contribution margin was 15.3% compared to 16.1% in the 4th quarter. Sales and marketing expense was $5,400,000 a $750,000 decrease compared to the prior quarter. Speaker 300:17:41The decrease was mainly due to lower marketing spend as we focused on our digital channels in the Q1 ahead of a new marketing campaign that we launched this month. Corporate, general and administrative expense Declined slightly to $28,900,000 a $50,000 decrease compared to the 4th quarter. Net loss was $11,000,000 compared to a net loss of $12,000,000 in the 4th quarter. We reported a net loss per share of $0.08 on both the basic and diluted basis, And our weighted average share count was approximately 135,800,000 shares for the quarter on both the basic and fully diluted basis. Adjusted EBITDA, which we calculate by adding interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, De novo losses and other non recurring or exceptional cost to net loss was $2,200,000 for the quarter compared to $700,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:18:53Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 1.2% for the fiscal year Compared to 0.4% in the 4th quarter. Adjusted EBITDA of $2,200,000 is inclusive of de novo losses, which was $1,600,000 for the Q1 and primarily related to our centers in Florida. This compares to $1,500,000 of de novo losses in the 4th quarter. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $88,400,000 in cash and cash equivalents, plus $46,800,000 in short term investments. Speaker 300:19:40We had $85,500,000 in total debt on the balance sheet, representing debt under our senior secured term loan plus finance, lease obligations and other commitments. For the Q1, we recorded negative cash flow from operations of $33,600,000 inclusive of approximately $15,000,000 in delayed payments from California That we received in October, and we had $2,600,000 of capital expenditures. Finally, I will briefly touch on some of the trends that are developing as we head into the winter months. Regarding census, our census growth is tracking in line with our guidance expectations. As Patrick mentioned, We continue to expect that states will have short term constraints around their ability to process new enrollments as they prioritize their needs to process Medicaid redeterminations along with their other obligations. Speaker 300:20:47However, we are not seeing that impact our census in a meaningful way. Regarding revenue and rates, We have yet to finalize Medicaid rates in New Mexico and remain in active discussions with the state for fiscal year 2024. In California, we have started the annual rate process with the state and we expect to know more about the state's timing in the coming weeks. Regarding cost trends, as we head into the winter months, it is important to remember that we typically see an increase in external as a result of seasonality. Specifically, we expect to see higher inpatient and short stay nursing home utilization as well as increased acuity of our participant mix. Speaker 300:21:40In closing, we continue to focus on Proving the margin profile of the business by concentrating on the key drivers we highlighted last quarter. Accelerating census growth, which also serves to rebalance the participant risk pool as well as to unlock staffing capacity. Ensuring our participant risk scores are commensurate with our risk pool through improved participant data management as we fully implement EPIC Optimizing revenue per participant through proactive actuarial discussions with our state Medicaid agencies and executing on clinical value initiatives to improve participant care and reduce unnecessary costs. We hope to share more information on these key initiatives on our next call. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. Speaker 300:22:36Please open the call for questions. Operator00:22:40Thank you. Please wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Purce with Goldman Sachs. Operator00:23:05Your line is open. Speaker 400:23:10Hey, thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to start with just some of the Comments on enrollment trends and just your level of confidence in the guidance that you laid out so far And your progress this year. Maybe comment on the headwind you're experiencing in terms of enrollment, how much that Impacts guidance for the year. And then also just the Florida delay and potential opening of Those centers in the early part of next calendar year, how much was contemplated in guidance with respect to that? Speaker 400:23:47And Should we be thinking about that as a headwind relative to your prior guidance? Speaker 200:23:54Well, thanks, Jamie. I'll just start and then hand it over to In terms of just our confidence levels and momentum around enrollment, we're feeling very good about the progress we're making across all of our We're pushing ourselves every month on this. Every month, I'm pushing the team to find some new way To accelerate our growth, and I think the team is doing a great job. I think in my prepared remarks, I talked a bit about the inside sales capability, which is a new capability that we're Seeing some early indicators that it's going to have an impact. And I think there's still incremental opportunities out there to become more We look at Colorado or Sacramento, some of the new markets that are coming online, we're feeling really positive About the momentum that the team is building and in our markets that have been online for a while, we're achieving some better growth rates than we have in the past. Speaker 200:24:53So overall, feeling really good about that. In terms of the headwinds, I think you're referring to or just comments related to the processing Of enrollments, we pointed that out a couple of times. I think last quarter was the first time we raised that. Really, as I said in the remarks, it's really situational. It's not happening in every market. Speaker 200:25:15We're working through Each of those issues with our states at this point, we're not concerned that It's a wider scale issue that we have to be concerned with. The team is just doing a good job. It's just one of those things that I think it's the first time we've really seen resource constraints in some of our markets as it relates to processing enrollments. And We know both our states and CMS have a lot on their plates as it relates to redetermination. So I think those are some of the highlights on existing growth. Speaker 200:25:53I'll pass it over to Ben, let him hit Florida and sort of how to think about guidance. Speaker 300:25:57Yes. I mean, I think Patrick actually captured most of it there. The one thing I'd say is, if you take a look at the growth that we had in the Q1, Both in terms of census and member months and then begin to annualize out those rates, you sort of end up at a place where it makes you feel Pretty comfortable about guidance. And if you also look at what's happening, I think, in the enrollments over the last couple of months, It feels like we're building momentum on the enrollments slightly on a month over month basis. So I think you sort of factor those things 2 things together and you feel like We're pretty confident we're going to end up right in the guidance range. Speaker 400:26:38Okay, great. I appreciate those comments. My Next question is just the external provider costs. Those were a little bit higher than we expected. It sounds like Some of that was in Colorado and just the shift in acuity there, the mix of patients. Speaker 400:26:58Can you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing in the inpatient and outpatient utilization trends? And then I guess Any comments on how to think about the cadence? It sounds like you typically see a step up In the calendar Q4, your Q2, just around flu and all the dynamics that go with that and As well as COVID. So maybe just any comments to frame what we should think about for the step up in exterm provider costs sequentially? Thank you. Speaker 200:27:32You bet. Thank you, Jimmy. Again, I'll kind of get this started, then I'll hand it off to Doctor. Pfeiffer to put a finer point on it. When I think about From a participant expense perspective, maybe what's not going exactly to plan, it's really a couple of hotspots around ER admissions. Speaker 200:27:48We've always done a great job managing ER admissions and we saw a little bit of a tick up relative to historical trends. And so we've got a number of initiatives lined up against that. I think we have 11 or 12 initiatives that really focus on making sure people call us before And I feel confident in the work that Rich and the team are doing. So I think that's one that hopefully just kind of falls back into line. The second area is around inpatient unit cost. Speaker 200:28:18As we noted, we're seeing some improvements in inpatient utilization, and I think maybe that's a variance with what some of the other Payers might be reporting. For us, it's probably hypothesis is maybe it's more acuity, but on the unit cost side. And so We're digging into that trying to answer why that's happening, but I'll let Rich just go a little bit deeper on each of those. And Your point about seasonality, it will play a role given how frail our population is for sure, whether that be flu or COVID. So it won't be a perfect straight line quarter by quarter of the drop in the anticipated, I I should say the anticipated improvements in medical costs, but we think we're doing all the right things. Speaker 200:29:03We've got a lot of great initiatives that are underway, It just takes a while for them to flow through sort of the cost structure. And as you know, at this point, we're really Incomplete on a lot of the claims history. So there's a lot of estimates still in our numbers. And we'll just let those things play through as well. But overall, really Good about the team and what they're focused on. Speaker 200:29:27But let me ask Rich to hit his finer points on each of those. Speaker 500:29:31Great. Thanks, Patrick. Let me pick up where you left off on the second question about respiratory illness and seasonality. We are already Seeing an uptick in respiratory illness, but we are not seeing that translate into higher inpatient utilization At this point, although we do anticipate that to some extent and we budget for it, we are working really hard to maximize influenza and COVID vaccination rates To protect our population, we are seeing more COVID just as everyone is seeing in the community, but so far most of those cases are actually mild Even in our vulnerable population. Back to the point about outpatient utilization, as Patrick said, we are seeing Very effective reductions through a lot of the interventions of our team reductions in inpatient utilization. Speaker 500:30:16And in some ways that's leaving Those who are ultimately admitted to be more severely afflicted and have higher unit costs because They're the ones who really need to be admitted. So in some ways, it shouldn't be surprising to us that we're seeing some increase in severity or acuity in addition To the aging of our population, but we're working on that very closely to ensure that there aren't things that we could mitigate whether they be rates Or steerage to lower cost providers. I'd also echo Patrick's point around ER diversion because we are seeing increases In ER utilization, which are going in the other direction from inpatient, part of that relates to our facility partners, assisted living facilities And nursing homes and to Patrick's point earlier around moving to a high performance network, part of our definition of a high performance network going forward will be How well those facilities work with us when there is a minor change of condition, so that we can address that change of condition without utilizing the emergency room, so that's Speaker 400:31:25Thank you. Appreciate the comments. Operator00:31:28Thank you. One moment. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew with William Blair. Your line is now open. Hi. Speaker 600:31:45This is actually Madeleine on for Matt. Kind of following up on the patient acuity question. I know one of the things that you were anticipating once The sanctions were listed was that the patient acuity mix would normalize a little bit because you were able to enroll new patients. Can you talk a little bit about like what you're seeing in terms of new enrollee, patient acuity and how that mix might have changed now that you've had a couple of months of being able to enroll patients? Speaker 200:32:13Sure. I'll start again and have Rich fill with any gaps. The first thing I would Say is that the sort of the mix issue is obviously very dependent on the rate of growth of our new enrollment and the progression Of our existing patient base and disenrollment, frankly, that's attributable to death. All those factors come kind of play into the risk pool changing. What I would say is If I think about the mix of new participants, again, still early because it's there was a bit of a ramp in Colorado in particular. Speaker 200:32:52But I think one of the things we're starting to see is fewer people enrolling with us that are in an assisted living facility. PACE is a great solution for people and that's an important lever for us To avoid nursing facility care, and I think historically, we maybe saw a little bit higher levels of assisted living facility Enrollments, I think we're starting to see some of that, let's call it, backlog pent up demand maybe starting to play through. So our mix is increasingly looking more and more what we would expect a community mix to look like Between people in nursing homes, people in assisted living and people who are coming to us living independently. So Still early, but seeing some good signs that again the work that Rich is leading is having an impact and our high performing network is another great example of Making sure we're providing all the access that's necessary for this, but let me ask Rich to jump in. Speaker 500:34:00Well, yes, exactly as Patrick said, We are seeing lower acuity people being enrolled than our existing population by definition because these are people who are living either independently or in assisted living. Now we have had and seen a backlog of interested people, people wanting to enroll in Innovate PACE who were living in assisted living In Colorado, and as that backlog work itself out, we're seeing much higher rates of true independent living and so our acuity and our mix will become even more favorable over time. Speaker 600:34:33Got it. Thanks. That's really helpful. And then just one more on the de novos. With the Florida de novos maybe being Pushed back a little bit. Speaker 600:34:42Is that changing how you're thinking about the full year de novo losses? Speaker 300:34:48Ben? Yes. I mean, the Florida facilities, if they're going to get pushed back or going to get pushed back by a relatively Small amount of time. These are things where we might move it back by 4 weeks or 8 weeks. What you find is that We have de novo losses associated with those facilities. Speaker 300:35:09To the extent that those get pushed back, the de novo losses are decreased slightly for the course of the year. At this point, I think we're sticking with the guidance that we've got related to de novo losses. But as we get towards February, where we hope we're going to have an Investor Day, we'll know a lot more about the business. We'll know a lot more about timing of the floor facilities. To the extent there are any updates to be given then, we'll give them them. Speaker 200:35:35Yes. I would just add one last point on that is, obviously, we're timing our hiring And being very agile and being absolutely certain that we ensure we don't assume any cost Any earlier than is absolutely necessary. So we're managing this very well. Speaker 300:35:53Yes, that's important for me. Speaker 600:35:57Great. Thank you. Operator00:36:00Thank you. I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Operator00:36:10Everyone, have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by