loanDepot Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 7, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the loanDepot's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Gerhard Urdayly, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining Loandepot's 3rd quarter 2023 earnings call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that This conference call may include forward looking statements regarding the company's operating and financial performance in future periods. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward looking statements, including but not limited to, Guidance to our pull through weighted rate lock volume, origination volume, pull through weighted gain on sale margin and expense trends. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and available information. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from these forward looking statements due to risks or other factors that are described in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the SEC.

Speaker 1

A webcast and a transcript of this call will posted on the company's Investor Relations website at investors. Loandepot.com under the Events and Presentations tab. On today's call, we have Loandepot President and Chief Executive Officer, Frank Martell and Chief Financial Officer, David Hayes, to provide an overview of our quarter as well as our financial and operational results, outlook and to answer your questions. We are also joined by our Chief Investment Officer, Jeff DeGuirean and LDI Mortgage President, Jeff Walsh to help address questions you might have after our prepared remarks. And with that, I'll turn things over to Frank to get us started.

Speaker 1

Frank?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Gerhard, and thank you all for joining us today. I look forward to sharing my perspective on market conditions and our results. LoanDepot continues to make significant progress against the imperatives we laid out in our Vision 2025 plan back in July of 2022. As you may recall, Vision 2025 focused on 4 main areas. First, transforming our originations business to drive purchase money transactions with an expanded emphasis on purchase driven lending.

Speaker 2

2nd, investing in profitable growth generating initiatives and critical business operating platforms and processes to support operating leverage and best in class quality and delivery. 3rd, aggressively rightsizing our cost structure to address current and future projected market conditions and 4th and finally, optimizing and simplifying our organizational structure. In the Q3, our revenues were essentially unchanged from the prior quarter as we modestly increased our market share and improve gain on sale margins. Importantly, we benefited from positive contributions from our servicing platform, builder partnerships and home equity lending. The company's core mortgage origination revenues were down 3% for the quarter, modestly outperforming the overall market trend during the same period.

Speaker 2

Higher mortgage interest rates during the Q3 contributed to the modest decline in our revenue trend. David will discuss this area and other results of operations in a few minutes. While in general housing stock remains in short supply, New home construction has been a bright spot this year. In this regard, we continue to work closely with our builder partners And we believe new home construction will be a critical driver for adding much needed new housing stock in 2024 and beyond. Another bright spot in recent quarters has been our HELOC product, which continues to serve as a powerful financial tool for our customers.

Speaker 2

Over the past several quarters, our HELOC revenue has grown steadily and this product is becoming a meaningful positive contributor to our financial performance. We expect this positive growth trend to continue as homeowners access record levels of home equity. As I discussed on past calls, we believe that homeownership is the bedrock of the American dream and plays a vital role in helping to build Strong and stable communities. Further deepening our support for diverse and first time homebuyers is a critical component of Vision 2025. As a purpose driven lender, our team is passionate about making homeownership accessible and achievable for more families.

Speaker 2

Along these lines, we recently launched our Access 0 program intended to make home ownership more accessible For aspiring homeowners grappling with the traditional down payment requirement, high interest rates and rising home prices. With affordability concerns eroding consumers purchasing power, Access 0 offers up to 5% in down payment assistance. As we continue to unlock new ways for our customers to purchase homes in today's challenging environment, Access 0 helps To address a significant barrier, particularly for first time homebuyers grappling with the obstacle of saving for the higher down payments that come with rising cost Through the implementation of Vision 2025, we delivered our 3rd successive quarter of lower operating losses. This important progress has come against the backdrop of continued significant challenges in the mortgage market. The improvements were driven by margin expansion and continued benefits of cost reduction, gains in productivity and increasing operating leverage.

Speaker 2

We continue to maintain our disciplined approach to expense management as we reset our cost structure to align with the size of the market. In the Q3, we lowered total expenses by $25,000,000 or 8%. Since the launch of Vision 2025 in the second quarter of last year, we have reduced our total quarterly expenses by approximately 45%. It's important to note that in addition to becoming more efficient, we're also making investments in the company to position us for leadership as the market emerges from the current downturn. These investments include our primary point of sale and loan production systems, as well as customer contact and management capabilities.

Speaker 2

As we look forward to 2024, Our current expectation is that the market volumes will remain substantially similar to 2023 levels. We believe that the factors that have impacted the industry in 2023, including lack of housing stock for sale, as well as record low affordability, will be with us during 2024. In this volume constrained environment, we expect to continue to capitalize on our multi channel go to market platform to deliver profitable areas of growth. In addition, we will continue to aggressively drive our productivity plan and become more efficient in our pursuit of reaching profitability. In this regard, we are taking actions over the next several quarters, which target an additional $120,000,000 in annualized expense reductions, including $100,000,000 of non volume related reductions.

Speaker 2

David will provide additional details on this plan in a few moments. I'd like to conclude my prepared remarks today by thanking Team Loandepot And our other key stakeholders for their support. Our markets remain challenging, no doubt, but this is also a very important period of positive change Forward momentum for the company. I believe we're seeing a positive and tangible result from our continued focus On the four pillars of our Vision 2025 strategic plan. With over $700,000,000 of cash on hand, Additional cost productivity programs in flight and consistent contributions from each of our business units, we believe that we are increasingly well positioned to navigate through the present market downturn and emerged as stronger and more valuable company.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll now turn the call over to David, We'll take us through the financial results in more detail.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Frank, and good afternoon, everyone. During the 3rd quarter, Loan origination volume was $6,100,000,000 a decrease of 3% from the Q2 of 2023. This was within the guidance we issued last quarter of between $5,000,000,000 $7,000,000,000 3rd quarter volume Consisted of $4,300,000,000 in purchase loan originations and $1,800,000,000 in refinance loan originations, primarily cash out refinances. Our pull through weighted rate lock volume of $5,700,000,000 for the 3rd quarter contributed to the total revenue of $266,000,000 which represented a 2% decrease from the Q2. Rate lock volume came in at the lower end of the guidance We issued last quarter of $5,500,000,000 to $7,500,000,000 The decrease in revenue is primarily a result of lower loan origination income from a decrease in rate lock volume, offset somewhat by a higher gain on sale margins in servicing revenue.

Speaker 3

Our Pulitzer weighted gain on sale margin for the 3rd quarter came in at 2.93 basis points, above our guidance of 245 to 285 basis points. Our higher gain on sale margin was primarily due to an increase in profit margins On our HELOC product, continued improvement in our repurchase activity and wider profit margins on our production, offset by a larger proportional contribution from our joint venture channel. As Frank previously mentioned, one of the primary pillars of Vision 2025 is a focus on optimizing our organizational structure in improving the quality of our production. Thanks to the work of the team, we substantially enhanced our quality. And as a result, there's been a significant decrease in the amount of loans that we've been asked to repurchase.

Speaker 3

Through these efforts, we have improved our financial results by reducing provisions for loan losses and increased our gain on sale margin. Turning now to our servicing portfolio. The unpaid principal balance of our servicing portfolio increased to $144,000,000,000 from $142,000,000,000 quarter over quarter. Servicing fee income increased from $118,000,000 in the Q2 of 2023 to $119,000,000 in the Q3 of 2023. Similar to the Q2's activities, during the Q3, we sold excess agency servicing rights related to unpaid principal balances totaling $12,000,000,000 resulting in a gain of $4,000,000 This transaction allowed us to monetize a portion of the asset, while maintaining our direct servicing relationship with those customers.

Speaker 3

We hedge our servicing portfolio, so we do not record the full impact of the changes in fair value and the results of our operations. We believe the strategy protects against volatility in our earnings and liquidity. Our strategy for hedging in the servicing portfolio is dynamic and we adjust our hedge positions in reaction to changing interest rate environments. We believe our servicing portfolio is well protected against the potential rising defaults. As of September 30, The weighted average FICO was 7.38, the weighted average coupon was 3.4% and the weighted average LTV at origination was 72%.

Speaker 3

These characteristics contributed to a low delinquency rate with only 86 basis points of the portfolio more than 60 days past due at any quarter end and should generate reliable ongoing revenue during these uncertain economic times. Another major component of Vision 2025 is to align our with a shrinking market size and create efficiencies to improve operating leverage and financial performance over time. Our total expenses for the Q3 of 2023 decreased by $25,000,000 or 8% from the prior quarter. Savings were recognized across almost all of our expense categories. Our volume related expenses consisting of commissions and direct origination expenses Decreased by $6,000,000 reflecting lower origination volumes.

Speaker 3

Vision 2025 related charges were $2,500,000 down from $7,000,000 in the prior quarter, primarily due to a reduction of personnel related charges. During the Q3, we also accrued $2,000,000 of legal expenses related to the expected settlement of legacy litigation. Excluding volume related expenses, Vision 2025 related charges and the litigation settlement accrual, Our adjusted operating expenses decreased by $9,000,000 compared to the 2nd quarter, reflecting the ongoing benefits of our efficiency improvements. Looking ahead to the Q4, we expect origination volume of between $4,000,000,000 $6,000,000,000 And pull through weighted rate lock volume of between $3,800,000,000 $5,800,000,000 We also expect our 4th quarter The seasonal decrease in home buying activity and the reduction in our gain on sale margin guidance primarily reflects A proportional increase in volume from our joint venture channel seasonality. During the Q4, we expect expense Will continue to decrease driven primarily by lower volume related expenses, but also from lower salaries from headcount reductions And lower marketing expenses as we approach the seasonal decrease in volume.

Speaker 3

Looking beyond the 4th quarter, As Frank mentioned, we are targeting an additional $120,000,000 in annualized expense savings, dollars 100,000,000 of which will be non volume related. This plan is already in flight and we expect to achieve most of our run rate savings by the end of the Q1 of 2024. The majority of the plan savings non headcount related reductions, including vendor contract terminations and renegotiation, optimized marketing spend, Lower corporate real estate costs as well as other savings across other expense categories. The remainder of the savings are FTE and organization related. Our focus on cost reduction, efficiency, margin expansion and effective capital management have underpinned our ability to maintain Strong liquidity position in the face of the ongoing market contraction.

Speaker 3

Importantly, we ended the Q3 with cash balances essentially unchanged from the prior We remain laser focused on maintaining significant levels of liquidity as we progress toward run rate profitability. With that, we're ready to turn it back to the operator for Q and A. Operator?

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of John Davis with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, everyone. This is Taylor on for J. D. Maybe just to start with How you're thinking about just timing of returning back to profitability? Obviously, made pretty significant cost cuts already and announced an additional Cost savings, I understand macro makes it difficult to predict, but just any further commentary Or update that could give that you could give on your runway to get back to profitability would be great.

Speaker 2

Hi, Taylor. It's Frank Martell. Appreciate the question. We're really pleased with the Continued reduction in the loss profile. And if you look at $35,000,000 roughly speaking in the Q3, Accounting for seasonality, I think we're optimistic that we can get to profitability as we Get into the spring selling season and into the 2nd and third quarters of next year.

Speaker 2

I think that's what we're planning on, borrowing Any exogenous downside in the market that we can't see at the moment.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions. Kyle Joseph from Jefferies has queued up. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just kind of want to get your take on the supply and Demand dynamics in the industry and has supply come down enough to I think you talked about kind of muted originations into 24, are we getting to an equilibrium or do we still need some supply to be taken out?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hi, this is Jeff Walsh.

Speaker 6

I think from a capacity standpoint, we are seeing capacity come out of the market both on the fulfillment side and the origination We see originators leaving as well. But the market correction at this point is still greater than the capacity reduction. So in a kind of rates being higher for longer scenario, we likely need a bit more capacity reduction. And we're seeing that as really kind of forming up as an opportunity for us if that happens.

Speaker 5

Got you. And then just a quick follow-up for me, just refresh us on your capital allocation priorities in terms of buying back debt or Balancing that with originating loans and just how you're thinking about that.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hi, this is David Hayes. So we're going to continue to maintain sort of an opportunistic view on that perspective. We're continuing to invest into the company in all sorts of Growth initiatives in automation and we'll continue to do that. And from a debt perspective, we're very focused on maintaining Higher levels of liquidity as we progress through the next several quarters into the tougher market and as we address The 2025 notes that are out there will look at the overall debt stack at that time, but I would say that's our near time priority.

Speaker 5

Got it. Makes sense. Thanks for answering my questions.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Frank Martell, I turn the call back over to you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Gene. Hey, look, thanks everybody for joining us today and we appreciate the questions as well. On behalf of David Gerhard, Jeff Walsh and Jeff DeGarian and the rest of our team, I want to thank everybody and our key stakeholders for their support. We look forward to keeping everybody apprised as we continue to progress against the imperatives that I outlined as part of our Vision 2025. We are making significant progress, continue to reduce our operating losses and maintain very significant levels of liquidity And importantly, position the company for the eventual rebound in the market when that comes.

Speaker 2

So Again, appreciate your time today and look forward to updating you in the future. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.

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