Assertio Q3 2023 Earnings Report $0.58 +0.04 (+7.98%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.58 +0.01 (+1.09%) As of 06:28 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Assertio EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.01Consensus EPS $0.08Beat/MissMissed by -$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/AAssertio Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$35.63 millionExpected Revenue$49.54 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$13.91 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAssertio Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/8/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, November 8, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsAssertio's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryASRT ProfilePowered by Assertio Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning and welcome to the Assertio Holdings Inc. 3rd Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. Operator00:00:18I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Kreps from Darrow Associates, Investor Relations for Ascertio. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:28Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss the 30th Q3 2023 Financials. The news release covering our earnings for this period is now available on the Investor page of our website at investor. Assertiotx.com. I would encourage you to review the release and tables in conjunction with today's discussion. With me today are Dan Peisert, President and CEO Ajay Patel, Chief Accounting Officer and now Chief Financial Officer and Paul Schuchtenberg, previously our CFO and now Senior Vice President in a new role, overseeing market access, pricing, trade, distribution and other commercial activities. Speaker 100:01:06Jane will open the remarks and provide an overview of the business, And Paul and Ajay will review our financials. After that, we will open the call for your questions. During this call, management will make projections and other forward looking statements regarding Such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in this afternoon's press release, as well as Assertio's filings with the SEC. These and other risks are not fully described in the Risk Factors section and other sections of our Annual Report on Form 10 ks. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:43And Assertio specifically disclaims any intent No obligation to update these forward looking statements except as required by law. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Dan. Speaker 200:01:57Thank you, Matt. Welcome to everyone joining us this afternoon. I am not pleased by our results in the Q3. We do not meet the expectations nor the goals we set for our business and These aren't the results that we know you as shareholders have come to expect from us. While disappointing this quarter, I've been reminded that business transformations rarely go And they're not linear. Speaker 200:02:25We put ourselves on the best path to build a stronger business so that we could weather these challenges, And this is one we will work our way through. Even though the reported sales for Olvidam were significantly below our internal expectations in the quarter, When viewed with the launch of a generic competitor for Inuisin, the rationale for the merger and our commitment to diversification are evident. In addition, the Robidone team brings enhanced competencies in market access and field reimbursement support that are part of our broader strategic vision for the future. We'll also continue to leverage our non personnel model, which to date has been instrumental in our turnaround, allowing us a significant expansion I've listened to many of our peers' earnings calls For this and prior quarters, many of whom are struggling with their operating models as it relates to achieving profitability and positive operating cash flows. This is where Assertio clearly has set itself apart. Speaker 200:03:27Despite the disappointing top line results this quarter and the one time costs associated with the completion of the Spectrum We still reported positive income on a non GAAP adjusted EBITDA and EPS basis and positive operating cash flows. In addition, our balance sheet and liquidity position are the strongest it has been since I've joined the company. We're now in the greatest sustainable net Cash position the company has experienced in the last 6 years. Our debt isn't due for just under 4 years. The rate we're paying is only 6.5% We have no covenants on our debt. Speaker 200:04:04This is a reminder to continue to continue to share this transformation. In addition to stabilizing our base business, especially Indocin and putting our long duration assets in Rovidone, SYMPAZAN and OTREXUP on a path to growth, We need to acquire additional assets to continue to diversify our business and find other avenues for longer term growth. The business environment for acquiring assets is as strong as I've seen in my career, and we're well positioned from both a balance sheet and platform perspective to take advantage of this environment. Today, we're also announcing some changes to our management team that will help us both for the short and long term. Paul Swigtenberg will be handing over the CFO duties to A. Speaker 200:04:47J. Patel, our current Chief Accounting Officer and All will be taking on a new role in the organization with direct oversight for market access, pricing, trade and distribution. In addition, on an interim basis, while we're recruiting for a new team leader, follow oversee the oncology commercial team. This will allow for us to have more direct management input into the key areas that affect our gross to net and cash flows and are critical to the operations of our business going forward. We will also be adding a few Other key roles to the organization, so that we can effectively manage the volume of external growth opportunities available to us, We're not taking the focus off the day to day operations of the business as we increase our business development efforts. Speaker 200:05:36Both Paul and A. J. Have been critical to our success to date, and I am confident they'll be catalysts for future success as well in their new and expanded roles. Before I hand the call over to Paul, I'll walk through some of what we saw in the business this quarter. We will not be providing guidance today. Speaker 200:05:55However, we will try to provide some general commentary on how we're internally projecting the business to give you some context As you refine your own forecasts and models. With respect to Indicin, we're only 3 months into the generic launch And this market is not yet stable. The decline in sales experienced in the quarter is primarily attributed to volume losses to both the generic And a compounded version of the product. Relative to what we initially assumed for just a single ANDA competitor, The market has been more competitive on pricing, which we believe has been driven by the compounder and the FDA's recent decision To add indomethacin to the Category 1 list, which effectively means the FDA will not pursue regulatory action Against the compounder while it's on that list. We're pursuing all available remedies to have This product removed from the market. Speaker 200:06:56We've built an erosion analog made up of more than 20 recent generic introductions Number of competitors at market formation and the price of the drug. There's a good deal of variability amongst each of these individual erosion curves And there is also no situation just like ours. For example, no suppository with this competitor at this price. And there isn't any good reliable data for erosion versus an illegal compounded product. This remains very fluid, But those analog curves do show that the brand can retain between 1 third to 1 half of the market volume even out to year 2 after competitive entry. Speaker 200:07:45So we believe this remains an attractive market for Assertio. With respect to Rovidant, Our understanding of the dynamics at play here is still evolving. And no matter the answer about what is in the rearview mirror, we are single mindedly focused On maximizing long term value for this brand. As many of you are aware, the sales pattern for the drug has been very back end weighted towards the end of the quarter after ASPs are published, leading to lower than typical visibility and quarterly performance. This quarter was not much different. Speaker 200:08:20In the 2 quarters we owned the product or the 2 months that we owned the product, we reported $7,100,000 in revenue And for the full Q3, dollars 8,000,000 of Robidone was sold. The shift in reimbursement to the permanent J code in April Does not appear to have benefited demand as much as was anticipated, both for existing and new customers. This demand trend was masked by changes in underlying inventory, largely at the end customer level, That in aggregate was approximately 3 months at the end of Q1, which grew to 4 months at the end of Q2. And now at the end of Q3, we calculate to be less than 2 months of demand. Customers had been offered short term incentives, which allowed them to hold this much inventory. Speaker 200:09:09Assertio did not offer most of these incentives in Q3 and does not intend to continue offering them to customers. This may have a further impact on Q4 volumes, the extent of which is not known or estimable at this time. While this is a competitive and dynamic market, it is still very attractive and we're committed to maximizing robiton potential. In addition to removing those short term incentives that can negatively affect ASPs, working capital and cash flows, We're rethinking customer targeting and broadening the customer base. In addition, we're evaluating our strategy with respect to payer coverage. Speaker 200:09:51Beyond the commercial strategy and tactics, the lifecycle development of Rovidone is also being entertained. Robidone is a differentiated molecule. It's the 1st novel product entered the long acting GCF space in over 20 years, but is not a biosimilar. It also may have utility in different dosing algorithms and chemotherapeutic regimens it hasn't been studied in yet. One example is same day dosing. Speaker 200:10:17We have elected to continue enrolling into the expansion phase of the ongoing open label Phase 1 same day dosing trial and to move the management of the trial to a CRO. We've already noticed an acceleration in the enrollment rate based upon some of the changes we've made. At the pace Enrollment had been moving, the data would not have been available until late 2025 or early 2026. We're looking to materially improve upon those timelines. And once we get a better estimate of the recruiting cadence, we'll be able to communicate those timelines to shareholders. Speaker 200:10:51I'll now turn the call over to Paul. Speaker 300:10:54Thank you, Dan. This afternoon, I will review the financial highlights from Assertio's Q3 of 2023. For full details, please refer to the tables And financial statements in our earnings release and 10 Q. Net product sales were $35,100,000 for the Q3 of 2023 compared to net product sales of $34,300,000 in the prior year quarter $40,100,000 last quarter. The increase in net sales versus the prior year quarter is primarily driven by the additions of rolvedon and SYMPAZAN, which were mostly offset by declines in INDOCEN and CAMBIA following their respective generic entrants. Speaker 300:11:35INDOCEN Family net sales in the 3rd quarter decreased by 18% from the prior year quarter, primarily due to the generic entrant in the quarter. Rolvedon net product sales were $7,100,000 for the 2 months following the acquisition of Spectrum. Our initial assessment indicates that there were several dynamics that impacted the Q3. The early launch benefited from favorable reimbursement, Expectations for demand increase from a permanent J code effective April 1, which have not been achieved And there were high levels of inventory in the channel at the end of the second quarter. Net ASP in the 3rd quarter was down 14% versus the prior year quarter due to short term incentives that were offered to customers. Speaker 300:12:23We're no longer offering these incentives and as a result Expect that the net ASP will stabilize or improve in the Q4. OTREXZA net sales for the 3rd Quarter were $2,800,000 versus $3,000,000 in the prior year quarter, reflecting unfavorable channel mix, partially offset by higher volume. SYMPAZAN net sales of $2,100,000 in the 3rd quarter reflected a 4.2% increase in prescription volume And lower channel inventories at the end of the quarter. Overall, portfolio net sales were up 3% versus the prior year quarter Despite the CAMBIA loss of exclusivity in January and IndusInd in August. Gross margin as a percentage of product net sales Was 80% in the 3rd quarter versus 88% in the prior year quarter. Speaker 300:13:18Inventory step amortization for rolvedon was $1,800,000 which contributed a 500 basis point decrease with the balance of the change primarily reflecting changes in Sales mix, due to declines in IndusInd and CAMBIA. SG and A expenses were $21,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $16,800,000 last quarter $11,900,000 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted SG and A was $16,200,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $10,900,000 in the last quarter and $9,300,000 in the prior year quarter. The increase in adjusted SG and A versus the Prior year quarter is primarily due to additional operating expenses from the SPYRAVITA merger and prior SYMPAZAN and OTREXIV acquisitions. We are continually evaluating our operating expenses to ensure that we have optimal support for each of our products. Speaker 300:14:16We have seen synergies between the Assertio and Spectrum businesses and believe that we can operate with less than the 55,000,000 of incremental operating expenses previously communicated. Additionally, as we've done in the past, we continue to look for opportunities to reduce in light of revenue changes, while ensuring that we have the infrastructure in place to support the entire portfolio along with future business development opportunities. Adjusted EBITDA for the 3rd quarter was $12,900,000 compared to $24,800,000 last quarter $21,400,000 in the prior year quarter. The year over year decrease is primarily driven by higher operating expenses from the additions of Rolled On and SYMPAZAN. At this point, I will hand the call over to Ajay Patel, our Chief Accounting Officer and newly appointed Chief Financial Officer, We will discuss net income, which was impacted by specific one time accounting adjustments recorded during the quarter along with cash flows and the 3rd quarter balance sheet. Speaker 400:15:23Thanks, Paul. Let me first acknowledge my appreciation to Paul for all his contributions to Assertio during his tenure as CFO. I look forward to our continuing partnership. Moving along in the P and L results, our Q3 was impacted by several non cash items. First, there was a $238,800,000 impairment charge to intangible assets. Speaker 400:15:47This was triggered by a decline in our stock price during the quarter, which led to our market cap being less than our book value. Under GAAP, this impairment trigger requires us to assess the fair value of our assets using both an income and market approach. We utilized various estimates and assumptions, including forecasted cash flows and market comps. This resulted in an impairment charge to intangible assets at a consolidated level, which was then allocated across the individual product price. 2nd, there was a $17,500,000 benefit in the quarter from change in fair value of our contingent liabilities compared to a loss of $3,900,000 in the prior year quarter. Speaker 400:16:33The magnitude of the benefit in the quarter was primarily driven by revaluation of The Indus and Contingent Liability due to generic entry. Finally, income tax expense of $50,700,000 in the quarter Was impacted by a $43,000,000 charge for valuation allowance against deferred tax assets based on an assessment of their realizability. Our total cost in the Q3 also included $3,000,000 in restructuring charges related to a reorganization plan of our workforce and resources following the acquisition of Spectrum. Inclusive of these items, There was a GAAP net loss of $279,500,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to net income of $4,200,000 in the prior year quarter. The adjusted EPS was $0.01 in the 3rd quarter versus $0.19 in the last quarter and $0.22 in the prior year quarter. Speaker 400:17:35EPS in the 3rd quarter was impacted by the 38,000,000 shares Issued in connection with the acquisition of Spectra. Cash generated from operating activities And the 3rd quarter was $2,600,000 versus $18,600,000 in the last quarter $10,000,000 in the prior year quarter. The 3rd quarter operating cash flows were impacted by transaction costs and immediate working capital needs from Spectrum Acquisition. Cash balance at the end of the 3rd quarter was $76,900,000 reflecting a $6,700,000 increase from the last quarter. Our outstanding convertible debt balance at the end of the 3rd quarter was $40,000,000 and does not mature until September 2027. Speaker 400:18:25And now, I will turn the call back over to Matt. Speaker 100:18:33Thank you, Dan, Paul and A. J. At this time, we have completed our prepared remarks and we'll use the balance of our allotted call time to take questions, Starting with our sell side analyst community. Operator, Keith, please provide the instructions for Q and A from our listeners to take the first question. Operator00:18:50Thank you. And your first question comes from the line of Thomas Flaten with Lake Street. Thomas, please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:12Hey, good afternoon guys. I appreciate you taking the questions. I was curious if maybe we could drill down on Indus A little bit. I know there was some inventory adjustment going on at the wholesalers. And if you just look sequentially from the Q2 of this year, There was obviously about a $10,000,000 drop off. Speaker 500:19:28Is there a way of maybe breaking out how much the inventory adjustment accounted for there that I would maybe class as kind of a one time event versus The impact from the generic and the compounder? Speaker 200:19:46There was I don't think we have a good answer in terms of dollars, but there was And Impact, you can expect that they want to make shelf space available for Another product in the marketplace and there's the same level of demand that was there. But I don't think we have A good number in terms of the dollar sales impact? Speaker 300:20:10No, we don't have a breakout of The specific inventory adjustment that Dan just referenced, the situation is that with the generic entrant, our volume is coming down. It's really all tied to the generic entrant and our volume primarily. And as a result of that, the wholesalers take the inventory levels down, but We view it as all kind of driven by the generic entrant and lower volumes. Speaker 500:20:38Got it. And then Do you have a sense of and I know the data is a bit hard to come by given that some of your data is blocked, but do you have a sense of market shares, Compounder generic versus yourselves kind of against that erosion curve that you talked about, are we ahead of the curve or behind the curve, so to speak, from an erosion perspective? Speaker 200:21:00The answer to that is long, but to try and To sum it up, the way we're estimating what the compounder might have taken Is to just assume a flat or slightly increasing overall market and then Add up what the prescription data reporting services tell us is the new market. And the delta is what we assume the compounder has taken. So I would say relative to the analog I explained, We were tracking slightly below it, but within statistical control of it. The biggest Impact that we've seen in the marketplace was the pricing. And that really is you have a 2 competitor market instead of a 1 competitor market as we had originally assumed. Speaker 500:22:01Got it. And then just one final one, I'll jump back in the queue. The short term incentives that were offered to the Rolvedon customers, could you maybe explain that a little bit more? And were they offered by you or by Spectrum prior to the closing of the deal? Speaker 200:22:16So the incentives were offered by Spectrum For the sec largely for the Q2, there was a variety of them, but the One that I can explain that in general terms is that roughly half of the gross sales reported in the 2nd quarter By Spectrum, we're collected by Assertio until the 1st week in November And there were prompt payment terms offered on those sales. So that is a practice that we will not be continuing. Speaker 500:22:57Got it. Appreciate it. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Operator00:23:03Great. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jim Sidoti. Jim, please go ahead. Speaker 600:23:09Hi. Good afternoon. And I know there's a lot of moving pieces going on and you're not prepared for any kind of formal guidance. But you had previously given us An idea of where you think Robonon would go over the next couple of years. Do you have any sense Now 3 months later, where you think those numbers are? Speaker 200:23:36No, we're not in a position to give any kind of point estimates on what it's going to be. And we fully appreciate that investors want to know this not only just for Rovidone, but for our overall business and we'd like to be in We're positioned to communicate that. So I think as we said in our prepared remarks with some of the puts and takes around Demand, the removal of these incentives, what that also might mean for ASPs, that It's in flux right now and we need to get a good handle on things before we communicate a point estimate to investors going forward. The Long and short of it is though, we are absolutely committed to maximizing the long term potential of this brand. Speaker 600:24:23Great. Can you comment, have you Changed any of your thoughts regarding the direct sales force and your plans for that and also for the R and D investment To expand the market for robanone, are you still going full speed ahead with those two initiatives? Speaker 200:24:43Any changes that we've made to the commercial team have already taken effect. Nothing else is anticipated at this time. And R and D, as we said, there's 2 active trials right now. There's one in same day dosing that I described in my prepared remarks and there's another pediatric post approval commitment That we're enrolling in as well. Those are the two trials for Rolodon that are underway. Speaker 200:25:12But as I said, there are other things Outside of what the product has already been studied in, that are in additional dosing, As well as other chemotherapeutic regimens that we are exploring that the product hasn't been studied in yet. Speaker 600:25:33And then the last one for me is, how active are you right now out looking for additional deals? Are you Focused on resolving some of the issues with Spectrum or does this actually incentivize you to go out And find additional products? Speaker 200:25:53Well, there's 2 focuses that the business has. 1 is making sure that we We've got the business on a stable footing, and the other is making sure that we can Bring additional assets into the business. The combination of what we saw here in the Q3 with respect to Rolvadon As well as what we knew was coming with the IndusInd generic that was launched in August, those have It caused us to accelerate our business development efforts. So that's part of the reason why we're announcing this change here with Paul and A. J. Speaker 200:26:36And their roles, and we're bringing on some additional resources to help us manage the overall Sertio based business that will Give us additional heads to evaluate more BD opportunities. And the big message that you should take away there is, There are a lot of opportunities in front of us and we want to make sure that we can choose the best ones of the bunch And get them completed because Assertio is in a very good position to capitalize on those opportunities. Speaker 600:27:14Great. That was it for me. Speaker 200:27:17Thank you. Operator00:27:18Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Scott Henry with Roth Capital. Scott, go ahead. Speaker 700:27:34Thank you. Good afternoon. Where to start? I guess on Endocin, I feel like you've given us a lot of information. The only thing that I would be curious is If you look at kind of the last month, last 2 or 3 weeks, do you have a sense of where The product is annualizing sort of in real time. Speaker 200:28:07Scott, we'll be in a better position to answer that At a later time, right now, we're not going to be giving any type of guidance. We wanted to frame it up with some general commentary about how we're looking at things and evaluating this, That is the best that we can do at this time. Speaker 700:28:25Okay. Then maybe I just come at it a little different. And I do think you gave us Some good information to open the call. In about where typically we would see a curve like this happen, What kind of steepness? If we're going from point A to point B, do you think it's going to happen relatively quick? Speaker 700:28:48Or is that slope more gradual? Just trying to get any sort of color on it. Speaker 200:29:00That is, I think, the $20,000,000 question and where the crystal ball is murky, Scott. So That is the number one thing that makes these analogs diverse is the steepness of that curve. They all seem to have a little bit more consistency once you get out. And it's not an asymptote when it's still at a third to half the business, but when you get out towards the later months that they get more predictable. So it's the steepness of the curve in the beginning that is the main variable. Speaker 700:29:40Okay. Thank you. And then, I mean, nothing more to ask on Endocent. Rovadon, it's hard to miss the irony of all this. They got a generic to Endocin and you got a full channel. Speaker 700:29:56I think you got the better deal still. The question is, when we think about the 3rd quarter, The $7,100,000 is what you sold, but there's a reduction in the channel. Do you have a sense of what the demand was for in Q3? Should we add another month to that number? Just trying to get a sense of on an apples to apples basis where we should Think about that Q3 number. Speaker 200:30:29I think that's a good question. We're still working through that ourselves. We tried to give you guys enough based on what we know today on those how the months on hand Has kind of changed as well as Paul gave you commentary on how the ASP changed. The hard part for us is change your I guess, Removing all those factors and getting at what is the true underlying demand and how much could those factors change in the future Still. So we're still looking through that ourselves here in the short run. Speaker 200:31:14But The take home message is that we've already made concrete steps to improve the product in the short term and set it up for a better long term. Speaker 700:31:31Do you think it's I mean, This is saying very little, but do you think it's safe to say Q4 should be higher than Q3? Speaker 200:31:45That would be our goal, but there are both pluses and minuses on both the volume and pricing side that We have to get through and like I said, the visibility on this product, I'd like to be able to give you what my October was relative to the July. But that will not help much. This comes down to what's going to happen in those last couple of weeks. And right now, we don't have a good visibility into that. So I don't want to provide forward looking guidance on that. Speaker 700:32:19Okay. And maybe just another way to ask a similar question. It seems like you had the accountants working overtime, Doing write downs, restructurings, did you evaluate Rolvadon for impairment or Did you not, not enough information at this point. Just trying to get a sense if you view the short term issues As potential for long term impairment or maybe it's just too early to even think about that? Speaker 400:32:50Yes, Scott, this is Ajay. I can take that. So our impairment evaluation was done at an entity wide level. So all of our product rights groups were evaluated for the impairment. And as I had stated in my comments, The impairment was charge was taken at the consolidated level and then allocated to each of the product rights. Speaker 400:33:09Okay. Speaker 700:33:09And if I recall, you did not allocate any to rolvedon, correct? Speaker 400:33:13No, there will be an allocation to rolvedon. Speaker 700:33:17Okay. Thank you. And then, Dan, this is a tougher Question 2, I don't know how you'll want to answer it if at all. But without giving guidance Aspirationally, would you look for EBITDA adjusted for this 12.9% to be A lower point or a baseline or could it be get worse? Just trying to think about that because we should have Rovodone getting better. Speaker 700:33:50We should have the other Product is getting better and Indus and there will be some hits there, but a lot of that's been taken. Just any way you could think about this Kind of baseline EBITDA? Speaker 200:34:03Yes. Scott, that's not a question I can answer at this time. Speaker 700:34:09Okay. Fair enough. I guess if Speaker 200:34:12I do appreciate why you're asking and I really wish I could give you that visibility. I just can't at this time. Speaker 700:34:20No, fair enough. I understand, but that's why we ask them. I guess, OTREXUP and Sempazam, they were down in Q3. They were pretty strong in Q2. Is it fair to say that the trend is somewhere in between those? Speaker 700:34:37I mean, do you still expect those to be growing products, just some timing here? Speaker 400:34:43Yes, Scott. I think Speaker 300:34:43the trend is somewhere in between the two quarters. As we mentioned as I mentioned in my script SYMPAZAN prescription volume continues to increase, It was impacted a little bit by changes in wholesaler inventory levels and OTREXUP is still tracking along at Kind of in between the 2 quarter level as you mentioned. Speaker 700:35:04Okay, great. Thank you for taking the questions. Speaker 200:35:07Thanks, Scott. Sure. Operator00:35:11Thank you. And your final question comes from the line of Thomas Blackman with Lake Street. Thomas, please go ahead. Speaker 500:35:19Hey, guys. I guess I didn't ask it explicitly, but are you guys being forced into situations where you're price matching the lower prices With your Endocent accounts or how exactly is the pricing in the market impact you at kind of Speaker 300:35:32an account by account level? Speaker 200:35:37That's a good question. It's not account by account. It's more like at the wholesaler level, if your competitors are at A far lower price, then they're obviously going to take the business just straight from you. So that's what you're going to see like at a Symphony or IQVIA type basis, that's more what we see at the wholesale. Got it. Speaker 200:36:00On the account by account basis, Or if anyone's doing any GPO contracting or things like that, you can have some individual negotiations, but We've been pretty strong on any individual account in terms of retaining demand. That is where you're seeing, I think the greatest impact and why we think it is from the compounder is the overall price in the market is lower. But although all the things that we hear about where the generic is being priced isn't as low as what we're hearing the market clearing prices. Speaker 500:36:40And do you have an update for us from the 5% off of WACC, which is I believe where Zydus started? Where are we at now in the market approximately? Speaker 200:36:50The lowest from a trade show, the lowest like screenshot or handout that we've seen is 9% off. We've heard of other things in the market that were slightly less than that. But we think that, that is what In general ballpark of where the generic is, the other numbers that we're hearing we think are all coming from the compounded product. Speaker 500:37:17Got it. I appreciate you taking the follow-up. Operator00:37:23Great. Well, thank you so much. We have no further questions in the queue. So we're going to go ahead and close our Q and A section at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dan Peisert, President and Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks. Speaker 200:37:40Thank you. I said this last quarter and it's still true today. We are a far stronger company than we were a few years ago, and I believe we are well positioned to come through this even stronger and create value for all stakeholders. Paul, AJ and I speak for the collective 70 employees of Assertio. We are not here just for a quarter or 2, we're here for the long term, committed to building what we all think can be a special company and over the long term an attractive investment for our shareholders. Speaker 200:38:10Thank you. Have a good night. Operator00:38:14Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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It also provides Sympazan, a benzodiazepine for the adjunctive treatment of seizures related with lennox-gastaut syndrome in patients aged two years of age or older; CAMBIA, a non steroidal anti inflammatory drug (NSAID) for the treatment of migraine pain, nausea, photophobia, and phonophobia; Zipsor, a NSAID for relief of mild to moderate pain in adults; SPRIX, a NSAID for the short term management of moderate to moderately severe pain that requires analgesia at the opioid level; Otrexup, a single-dose auto-injector containing a prescription medicine and methotrexate that is used to treat patients with severe, active rheumatoid arthritis, and active polyarticular juvenile idiopathic arthritis, as well as treat adult with severe, recalcitrant, and disabling psoriasis; and ROLVEDON, a long-acting granulocyte colony-stimulating factor that is indicated to decrease the incidence of infection caused by febrile neutropenia. The company was formerly known as Assertio Therapeutics, Inc. and changed its name to Assertio Holdings, Inc. in May 2020. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning and welcome to the Assertio Holdings Inc. 3rd Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. Operator00:00:18I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Kreps from Darrow Associates, Investor Relations for Ascertio. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:28Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss the 30th Q3 2023 Financials. The news release covering our earnings for this period is now available on the Investor page of our website at investor. Assertiotx.com. I would encourage you to review the release and tables in conjunction with today's discussion. With me today are Dan Peisert, President and CEO Ajay Patel, Chief Accounting Officer and now Chief Financial Officer and Paul Schuchtenberg, previously our CFO and now Senior Vice President in a new role, overseeing market access, pricing, trade, distribution and other commercial activities. Speaker 100:01:06Jane will open the remarks and provide an overview of the business, And Paul and Ajay will review our financials. After that, we will open the call for your questions. During this call, management will make projections and other forward looking statements regarding Such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in this afternoon's press release, as well as Assertio's filings with the SEC. These and other risks are not fully described in the Risk Factors section and other sections of our Annual Report on Form 10 ks. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:43And Assertio specifically disclaims any intent No obligation to update these forward looking statements except as required by law. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Dan. Speaker 200:01:57Thank you, Matt. Welcome to everyone joining us this afternoon. I am not pleased by our results in the Q3. We do not meet the expectations nor the goals we set for our business and These aren't the results that we know you as shareholders have come to expect from us. While disappointing this quarter, I've been reminded that business transformations rarely go And they're not linear. Speaker 200:02:25We put ourselves on the best path to build a stronger business so that we could weather these challenges, And this is one we will work our way through. Even though the reported sales for Olvidam were significantly below our internal expectations in the quarter, When viewed with the launch of a generic competitor for Inuisin, the rationale for the merger and our commitment to diversification are evident. In addition, the Robidone team brings enhanced competencies in market access and field reimbursement support that are part of our broader strategic vision for the future. We'll also continue to leverage our non personnel model, which to date has been instrumental in our turnaround, allowing us a significant expansion I've listened to many of our peers' earnings calls For this and prior quarters, many of whom are struggling with their operating models as it relates to achieving profitability and positive operating cash flows. This is where Assertio clearly has set itself apart. Speaker 200:03:27Despite the disappointing top line results this quarter and the one time costs associated with the completion of the Spectrum We still reported positive income on a non GAAP adjusted EBITDA and EPS basis and positive operating cash flows. In addition, our balance sheet and liquidity position are the strongest it has been since I've joined the company. We're now in the greatest sustainable net Cash position the company has experienced in the last 6 years. Our debt isn't due for just under 4 years. The rate we're paying is only 6.5% We have no covenants on our debt. Speaker 200:04:04This is a reminder to continue to continue to share this transformation. In addition to stabilizing our base business, especially Indocin and putting our long duration assets in Rovidone, SYMPAZAN and OTREXUP on a path to growth, We need to acquire additional assets to continue to diversify our business and find other avenues for longer term growth. The business environment for acquiring assets is as strong as I've seen in my career, and we're well positioned from both a balance sheet and platform perspective to take advantage of this environment. Today, we're also announcing some changes to our management team that will help us both for the short and long term. Paul Swigtenberg will be handing over the CFO duties to A. Speaker 200:04:47J. Patel, our current Chief Accounting Officer and All will be taking on a new role in the organization with direct oversight for market access, pricing, trade and distribution. In addition, on an interim basis, while we're recruiting for a new team leader, follow oversee the oncology commercial team. This will allow for us to have more direct management input into the key areas that affect our gross to net and cash flows and are critical to the operations of our business going forward. We will also be adding a few Other key roles to the organization, so that we can effectively manage the volume of external growth opportunities available to us, We're not taking the focus off the day to day operations of the business as we increase our business development efforts. Speaker 200:05:36Both Paul and A. J. Have been critical to our success to date, and I am confident they'll be catalysts for future success as well in their new and expanded roles. Before I hand the call over to Paul, I'll walk through some of what we saw in the business this quarter. We will not be providing guidance today. Speaker 200:05:55However, we will try to provide some general commentary on how we're internally projecting the business to give you some context As you refine your own forecasts and models. With respect to Indicin, we're only 3 months into the generic launch And this market is not yet stable. The decline in sales experienced in the quarter is primarily attributed to volume losses to both the generic And a compounded version of the product. Relative to what we initially assumed for just a single ANDA competitor, The market has been more competitive on pricing, which we believe has been driven by the compounder and the FDA's recent decision To add indomethacin to the Category 1 list, which effectively means the FDA will not pursue regulatory action Against the compounder while it's on that list. We're pursuing all available remedies to have This product removed from the market. Speaker 200:06:56We've built an erosion analog made up of more than 20 recent generic introductions Number of competitors at market formation and the price of the drug. There's a good deal of variability amongst each of these individual erosion curves And there is also no situation just like ours. For example, no suppository with this competitor at this price. And there isn't any good reliable data for erosion versus an illegal compounded product. This remains very fluid, But those analog curves do show that the brand can retain between 1 third to 1 half of the market volume even out to year 2 after competitive entry. Speaker 200:07:45So we believe this remains an attractive market for Assertio. With respect to Rovidant, Our understanding of the dynamics at play here is still evolving. And no matter the answer about what is in the rearview mirror, we are single mindedly focused On maximizing long term value for this brand. As many of you are aware, the sales pattern for the drug has been very back end weighted towards the end of the quarter after ASPs are published, leading to lower than typical visibility and quarterly performance. This quarter was not much different. Speaker 200:08:20In the 2 quarters we owned the product or the 2 months that we owned the product, we reported $7,100,000 in revenue And for the full Q3, dollars 8,000,000 of Robidone was sold. The shift in reimbursement to the permanent J code in April Does not appear to have benefited demand as much as was anticipated, both for existing and new customers. This demand trend was masked by changes in underlying inventory, largely at the end customer level, That in aggregate was approximately 3 months at the end of Q1, which grew to 4 months at the end of Q2. And now at the end of Q3, we calculate to be less than 2 months of demand. Customers had been offered short term incentives, which allowed them to hold this much inventory. Speaker 200:09:09Assertio did not offer most of these incentives in Q3 and does not intend to continue offering them to customers. This may have a further impact on Q4 volumes, the extent of which is not known or estimable at this time. While this is a competitive and dynamic market, it is still very attractive and we're committed to maximizing robiton potential. In addition to removing those short term incentives that can negatively affect ASPs, working capital and cash flows, We're rethinking customer targeting and broadening the customer base. In addition, we're evaluating our strategy with respect to payer coverage. Speaker 200:09:51Beyond the commercial strategy and tactics, the lifecycle development of Rovidone is also being entertained. Robidone is a differentiated molecule. It's the 1st novel product entered the long acting GCF space in over 20 years, but is not a biosimilar. It also may have utility in different dosing algorithms and chemotherapeutic regimens it hasn't been studied in yet. One example is same day dosing. Speaker 200:10:17We have elected to continue enrolling into the expansion phase of the ongoing open label Phase 1 same day dosing trial and to move the management of the trial to a CRO. We've already noticed an acceleration in the enrollment rate based upon some of the changes we've made. At the pace Enrollment had been moving, the data would not have been available until late 2025 or early 2026. We're looking to materially improve upon those timelines. And once we get a better estimate of the recruiting cadence, we'll be able to communicate those timelines to shareholders. Speaker 200:10:51I'll now turn the call over to Paul. Speaker 300:10:54Thank you, Dan. This afternoon, I will review the financial highlights from Assertio's Q3 of 2023. For full details, please refer to the tables And financial statements in our earnings release and 10 Q. Net product sales were $35,100,000 for the Q3 of 2023 compared to net product sales of $34,300,000 in the prior year quarter $40,100,000 last quarter. The increase in net sales versus the prior year quarter is primarily driven by the additions of rolvedon and SYMPAZAN, which were mostly offset by declines in INDOCEN and CAMBIA following their respective generic entrants. Speaker 300:11:35INDOCEN Family net sales in the 3rd quarter decreased by 18% from the prior year quarter, primarily due to the generic entrant in the quarter. Rolvedon net product sales were $7,100,000 for the 2 months following the acquisition of Spectrum. Our initial assessment indicates that there were several dynamics that impacted the Q3. The early launch benefited from favorable reimbursement, Expectations for demand increase from a permanent J code effective April 1, which have not been achieved And there were high levels of inventory in the channel at the end of the second quarter. Net ASP in the 3rd quarter was down 14% versus the prior year quarter due to short term incentives that were offered to customers. Speaker 300:12:23We're no longer offering these incentives and as a result Expect that the net ASP will stabilize or improve in the Q4. OTREXZA net sales for the 3rd Quarter were $2,800,000 versus $3,000,000 in the prior year quarter, reflecting unfavorable channel mix, partially offset by higher volume. SYMPAZAN net sales of $2,100,000 in the 3rd quarter reflected a 4.2% increase in prescription volume And lower channel inventories at the end of the quarter. Overall, portfolio net sales were up 3% versus the prior year quarter Despite the CAMBIA loss of exclusivity in January and IndusInd in August. Gross margin as a percentage of product net sales Was 80% in the 3rd quarter versus 88% in the prior year quarter. Speaker 300:13:18Inventory step amortization for rolvedon was $1,800,000 which contributed a 500 basis point decrease with the balance of the change primarily reflecting changes in Sales mix, due to declines in IndusInd and CAMBIA. SG and A expenses were $21,000,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $16,800,000 last quarter $11,900,000 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted SG and A was $16,200,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to $10,900,000 in the last quarter and $9,300,000 in the prior year quarter. The increase in adjusted SG and A versus the Prior year quarter is primarily due to additional operating expenses from the SPYRAVITA merger and prior SYMPAZAN and OTREXIV acquisitions. We are continually evaluating our operating expenses to ensure that we have optimal support for each of our products. Speaker 300:14:16We have seen synergies between the Assertio and Spectrum businesses and believe that we can operate with less than the 55,000,000 of incremental operating expenses previously communicated. Additionally, as we've done in the past, we continue to look for opportunities to reduce in light of revenue changes, while ensuring that we have the infrastructure in place to support the entire portfolio along with future business development opportunities. Adjusted EBITDA for the 3rd quarter was $12,900,000 compared to $24,800,000 last quarter $21,400,000 in the prior year quarter. The year over year decrease is primarily driven by higher operating expenses from the additions of Rolled On and SYMPAZAN. At this point, I will hand the call over to Ajay Patel, our Chief Accounting Officer and newly appointed Chief Financial Officer, We will discuss net income, which was impacted by specific one time accounting adjustments recorded during the quarter along with cash flows and the 3rd quarter balance sheet. Speaker 400:15:23Thanks, Paul. Let me first acknowledge my appreciation to Paul for all his contributions to Assertio during his tenure as CFO. I look forward to our continuing partnership. Moving along in the P and L results, our Q3 was impacted by several non cash items. First, there was a $238,800,000 impairment charge to intangible assets. Speaker 400:15:47This was triggered by a decline in our stock price during the quarter, which led to our market cap being less than our book value. Under GAAP, this impairment trigger requires us to assess the fair value of our assets using both an income and market approach. We utilized various estimates and assumptions, including forecasted cash flows and market comps. This resulted in an impairment charge to intangible assets at a consolidated level, which was then allocated across the individual product price. 2nd, there was a $17,500,000 benefit in the quarter from change in fair value of our contingent liabilities compared to a loss of $3,900,000 in the prior year quarter. Speaker 400:16:33The magnitude of the benefit in the quarter was primarily driven by revaluation of The Indus and Contingent Liability due to generic entry. Finally, income tax expense of $50,700,000 in the quarter Was impacted by a $43,000,000 charge for valuation allowance against deferred tax assets based on an assessment of their realizability. Our total cost in the Q3 also included $3,000,000 in restructuring charges related to a reorganization plan of our workforce and resources following the acquisition of Spectrum. Inclusive of these items, There was a GAAP net loss of $279,500,000 in the 3rd quarter compared to net income of $4,200,000 in the prior year quarter. The adjusted EPS was $0.01 in the 3rd quarter versus $0.19 in the last quarter and $0.22 in the prior year quarter. Speaker 400:17:35EPS in the 3rd quarter was impacted by the 38,000,000 shares Issued in connection with the acquisition of Spectra. Cash generated from operating activities And the 3rd quarter was $2,600,000 versus $18,600,000 in the last quarter $10,000,000 in the prior year quarter. The 3rd quarter operating cash flows were impacted by transaction costs and immediate working capital needs from Spectrum Acquisition. Cash balance at the end of the 3rd quarter was $76,900,000 reflecting a $6,700,000 increase from the last quarter. Our outstanding convertible debt balance at the end of the 3rd quarter was $40,000,000 and does not mature until September 2027. Speaker 400:18:25And now, I will turn the call back over to Matt. Speaker 100:18:33Thank you, Dan, Paul and A. J. At this time, we have completed our prepared remarks and we'll use the balance of our allotted call time to take questions, Starting with our sell side analyst community. Operator, Keith, please provide the instructions for Q and A from our listeners to take the first question. Operator00:18:50Thank you. And your first question comes from the line of Thomas Flaten with Lake Street. Thomas, please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:12Hey, good afternoon guys. I appreciate you taking the questions. I was curious if maybe we could drill down on Indus A little bit. I know there was some inventory adjustment going on at the wholesalers. And if you just look sequentially from the Q2 of this year, There was obviously about a $10,000,000 drop off. Speaker 500:19:28Is there a way of maybe breaking out how much the inventory adjustment accounted for there that I would maybe class as kind of a one time event versus The impact from the generic and the compounder? Speaker 200:19:46There was I don't think we have a good answer in terms of dollars, but there was And Impact, you can expect that they want to make shelf space available for Another product in the marketplace and there's the same level of demand that was there. But I don't think we have A good number in terms of the dollar sales impact? Speaker 300:20:10No, we don't have a breakout of The specific inventory adjustment that Dan just referenced, the situation is that with the generic entrant, our volume is coming down. It's really all tied to the generic entrant and our volume primarily. And as a result of that, the wholesalers take the inventory levels down, but We view it as all kind of driven by the generic entrant and lower volumes. Speaker 500:20:38Got it. And then Do you have a sense of and I know the data is a bit hard to come by given that some of your data is blocked, but do you have a sense of market shares, Compounder generic versus yourselves kind of against that erosion curve that you talked about, are we ahead of the curve or behind the curve, so to speak, from an erosion perspective? Speaker 200:21:00The answer to that is long, but to try and To sum it up, the way we're estimating what the compounder might have taken Is to just assume a flat or slightly increasing overall market and then Add up what the prescription data reporting services tell us is the new market. And the delta is what we assume the compounder has taken. So I would say relative to the analog I explained, We were tracking slightly below it, but within statistical control of it. The biggest Impact that we've seen in the marketplace was the pricing. And that really is you have a 2 competitor market instead of a 1 competitor market as we had originally assumed. Speaker 500:22:01Got it. And then just one final one, I'll jump back in the queue. The short term incentives that were offered to the Rolvedon customers, could you maybe explain that a little bit more? And were they offered by you or by Spectrum prior to the closing of the deal? Speaker 200:22:16So the incentives were offered by Spectrum For the sec largely for the Q2, there was a variety of them, but the One that I can explain that in general terms is that roughly half of the gross sales reported in the 2nd quarter By Spectrum, we're collected by Assertio until the 1st week in November And there were prompt payment terms offered on those sales. So that is a practice that we will not be continuing. Speaker 500:22:57Got it. Appreciate it. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Operator00:23:03Great. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jim Sidoti. Jim, please go ahead. Speaker 600:23:09Hi. Good afternoon. And I know there's a lot of moving pieces going on and you're not prepared for any kind of formal guidance. But you had previously given us An idea of where you think Robonon would go over the next couple of years. Do you have any sense Now 3 months later, where you think those numbers are? Speaker 200:23:36No, we're not in a position to give any kind of point estimates on what it's going to be. And we fully appreciate that investors want to know this not only just for Rovidone, but for our overall business and we'd like to be in We're positioned to communicate that. So I think as we said in our prepared remarks with some of the puts and takes around Demand, the removal of these incentives, what that also might mean for ASPs, that It's in flux right now and we need to get a good handle on things before we communicate a point estimate to investors going forward. The Long and short of it is though, we are absolutely committed to maximizing the long term potential of this brand. Speaker 600:24:23Great. Can you comment, have you Changed any of your thoughts regarding the direct sales force and your plans for that and also for the R and D investment To expand the market for robanone, are you still going full speed ahead with those two initiatives? Speaker 200:24:43Any changes that we've made to the commercial team have already taken effect. Nothing else is anticipated at this time. And R and D, as we said, there's 2 active trials right now. There's one in same day dosing that I described in my prepared remarks and there's another pediatric post approval commitment That we're enrolling in as well. Those are the two trials for Rolodon that are underway. Speaker 200:25:12But as I said, there are other things Outside of what the product has already been studied in, that are in additional dosing, As well as other chemotherapeutic regimens that we are exploring that the product hasn't been studied in yet. Speaker 600:25:33And then the last one for me is, how active are you right now out looking for additional deals? Are you Focused on resolving some of the issues with Spectrum or does this actually incentivize you to go out And find additional products? Speaker 200:25:53Well, there's 2 focuses that the business has. 1 is making sure that we We've got the business on a stable footing, and the other is making sure that we can Bring additional assets into the business. The combination of what we saw here in the Q3 with respect to Rolvadon As well as what we knew was coming with the IndusInd generic that was launched in August, those have It caused us to accelerate our business development efforts. So that's part of the reason why we're announcing this change here with Paul and A. J. Speaker 200:26:36And their roles, and we're bringing on some additional resources to help us manage the overall Sertio based business that will Give us additional heads to evaluate more BD opportunities. And the big message that you should take away there is, There are a lot of opportunities in front of us and we want to make sure that we can choose the best ones of the bunch And get them completed because Assertio is in a very good position to capitalize on those opportunities. Speaker 600:27:14Great. That was it for me. Speaker 200:27:17Thank you. Operator00:27:18Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Scott Henry with Roth Capital. Scott, go ahead. Speaker 700:27:34Thank you. Good afternoon. Where to start? I guess on Endocin, I feel like you've given us a lot of information. The only thing that I would be curious is If you look at kind of the last month, last 2 or 3 weeks, do you have a sense of where The product is annualizing sort of in real time. Speaker 200:28:07Scott, we'll be in a better position to answer that At a later time, right now, we're not going to be giving any type of guidance. We wanted to frame it up with some general commentary about how we're looking at things and evaluating this, That is the best that we can do at this time. Speaker 700:28:25Okay. Then maybe I just come at it a little different. And I do think you gave us Some good information to open the call. In about where typically we would see a curve like this happen, What kind of steepness? If we're going from point A to point B, do you think it's going to happen relatively quick? Speaker 700:28:48Or is that slope more gradual? Just trying to get any sort of color on it. Speaker 200:29:00That is, I think, the $20,000,000 question and where the crystal ball is murky, Scott. So That is the number one thing that makes these analogs diverse is the steepness of that curve. They all seem to have a little bit more consistency once you get out. And it's not an asymptote when it's still at a third to half the business, but when you get out towards the later months that they get more predictable. So it's the steepness of the curve in the beginning that is the main variable. Speaker 700:29:40Okay. Thank you. And then, I mean, nothing more to ask on Endocent. Rovadon, it's hard to miss the irony of all this. They got a generic to Endocin and you got a full channel. Speaker 700:29:56I think you got the better deal still. The question is, when we think about the 3rd quarter, The $7,100,000 is what you sold, but there's a reduction in the channel. Do you have a sense of what the demand was for in Q3? Should we add another month to that number? Just trying to get a sense of on an apples to apples basis where we should Think about that Q3 number. Speaker 200:30:29I think that's a good question. We're still working through that ourselves. We tried to give you guys enough based on what we know today on those how the months on hand Has kind of changed as well as Paul gave you commentary on how the ASP changed. The hard part for us is change your I guess, Removing all those factors and getting at what is the true underlying demand and how much could those factors change in the future Still. So we're still looking through that ourselves here in the short run. Speaker 200:31:14But The take home message is that we've already made concrete steps to improve the product in the short term and set it up for a better long term. Speaker 700:31:31Do you think it's I mean, This is saying very little, but do you think it's safe to say Q4 should be higher than Q3? Speaker 200:31:45That would be our goal, but there are both pluses and minuses on both the volume and pricing side that We have to get through and like I said, the visibility on this product, I'd like to be able to give you what my October was relative to the July. But that will not help much. This comes down to what's going to happen in those last couple of weeks. And right now, we don't have a good visibility into that. So I don't want to provide forward looking guidance on that. Speaker 700:32:19Okay. And maybe just another way to ask a similar question. It seems like you had the accountants working overtime, Doing write downs, restructurings, did you evaluate Rolvadon for impairment or Did you not, not enough information at this point. Just trying to get a sense if you view the short term issues As potential for long term impairment or maybe it's just too early to even think about that? Speaker 400:32:50Yes, Scott, this is Ajay. I can take that. So our impairment evaluation was done at an entity wide level. So all of our product rights groups were evaluated for the impairment. And as I had stated in my comments, The impairment was charge was taken at the consolidated level and then allocated to each of the product rights. Speaker 400:33:09Okay. Speaker 700:33:09And if I recall, you did not allocate any to rolvedon, correct? Speaker 400:33:13No, there will be an allocation to rolvedon. Speaker 700:33:17Okay. Thank you. And then, Dan, this is a tougher Question 2, I don't know how you'll want to answer it if at all. But without giving guidance Aspirationally, would you look for EBITDA adjusted for this 12.9% to be A lower point or a baseline or could it be get worse? Just trying to think about that because we should have Rovodone getting better. Speaker 700:33:50We should have the other Product is getting better and Indus and there will be some hits there, but a lot of that's been taken. Just any way you could think about this Kind of baseline EBITDA? Speaker 200:34:03Yes. Scott, that's not a question I can answer at this time. Speaker 700:34:09Okay. Fair enough. I guess if Speaker 200:34:12I do appreciate why you're asking and I really wish I could give you that visibility. I just can't at this time. Speaker 700:34:20No, fair enough. I understand, but that's why we ask them. I guess, OTREXUP and Sempazam, they were down in Q3. They were pretty strong in Q2. Is it fair to say that the trend is somewhere in between those? Speaker 700:34:37I mean, do you still expect those to be growing products, just some timing here? Speaker 400:34:43Yes, Scott. I think Speaker 300:34:43the trend is somewhere in between the two quarters. As we mentioned as I mentioned in my script SYMPAZAN prescription volume continues to increase, It was impacted a little bit by changes in wholesaler inventory levels and OTREXUP is still tracking along at Kind of in between the 2 quarter level as you mentioned. Speaker 700:35:04Okay, great. Thank you for taking the questions. Speaker 200:35:07Thanks, Scott. Sure. Operator00:35:11Thank you. And your final question comes from the line of Thomas Blackman with Lake Street. Thomas, please go ahead. Speaker 500:35:19Hey, guys. I guess I didn't ask it explicitly, but are you guys being forced into situations where you're price matching the lower prices With your Endocent accounts or how exactly is the pricing in the market impact you at kind of Speaker 300:35:32an account by account level? Speaker 200:35:37That's a good question. It's not account by account. It's more like at the wholesaler level, if your competitors are at A far lower price, then they're obviously going to take the business just straight from you. So that's what you're going to see like at a Symphony or IQVIA type basis, that's more what we see at the wholesale. Got it. Speaker 200:36:00On the account by account basis, Or if anyone's doing any GPO contracting or things like that, you can have some individual negotiations, but We've been pretty strong on any individual account in terms of retaining demand. That is where you're seeing, I think the greatest impact and why we think it is from the compounder is the overall price in the market is lower. But although all the things that we hear about where the generic is being priced isn't as low as what we're hearing the market clearing prices. Speaker 500:36:40And do you have an update for us from the 5% off of WACC, which is I believe where Zydus started? Where are we at now in the market approximately? Speaker 200:36:50The lowest from a trade show, the lowest like screenshot or handout that we've seen is 9% off. We've heard of other things in the market that were slightly less than that. But we think that, that is what In general ballpark of where the generic is, the other numbers that we're hearing we think are all coming from the compounded product. Speaker 500:37:17Got it. I appreciate you taking the follow-up. Operator00:37:23Great. Well, thank you so much. We have no further questions in the queue. So we're going to go ahead and close our Q and A section at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dan Peisert, President and Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks. Speaker 200:37:40Thank you. I said this last quarter and it's still true today. We are a far stronger company than we were a few years ago, and I believe we are well positioned to come through this even stronger and create value for all stakeholders. Paul, AJ and I speak for the collective 70 employees of Assertio. We are not here just for a quarter or 2, we're here for the long term, committed to building what we all think can be a special company and over the long term an attractive investment for our shareholders. Speaker 200:38:10Thank you. Have a good night. Operator00:38:14Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by