B. Riley Financial Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Your line is muted. Good morning, and welcome to the B. Riley Financial's Q3 2023 earnings call. My name is Britt, and I will be your call coordinator. Earlier this morning, B.

Operator

Riley issued its 3rd quarter earnings release. A copy of the release can be found on B. Riley's Investor Relations Web Site at ir.brileyfin.com are on the right side of your screen if you're joining us today via web. Today's call includes prepared remarks from the company, which will be followed by a question and answer session with the management team. Joining us today from B.

Operator

Riley are Bryant Riley, Chairman, Co Founder and CEO Tom Kelleher, Co Founder and Co CEO and Philip Ahn, CFO and COO. After management's remarks, we will open the line for questions. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded and an audio replay of this call will be available later today. Finally, before we conclude today's call, I will provide the necessary cautions regarding forward looking statements. Now, I will turn the call over to Mr.

Operator

Bryant Riley. Mr. Riley, you may proceed.

Speaker 1

Welcome everyone and thanks for joining our call. During the quarter, we continued to execute our platform strategy, Generating a meaningful amount of operating EBITDA, while at the same time maintaining disciplined focus on balance sheet flexibility to pursue continued growth. We generated operating adjusted EBITDA of $107,500,000 for the Q3 of 2023, up 34% from Q2 And operating EBITDA of $267,800,000 for the 1st 9 months of 2023. Net loss of $76,000,000 was driven by investment losses, which were primarily unrealized and relates to changes in mark to market valuation on investments that we hold. As we noted before, our investment gains and losses for any particular period are not indicative of our overall business performance and we have a high degree of Confidence in these investments.

Speaker 1

Our 3rd quarter operating results highlighted strength across our platform with Increased revenue and client activity levels picking up from early this year. To put this into perspective, our Q3 operating revenue is the highest quarterly total in our firm's history And our Q3 operating EBITDA ranks 3rd highest. On a year to date basis for the 1st 9 months, our 2023 operating revenue also ranks highest and operating This is a direct outcome of our strategy and the steps we've taken to change the relative mix of stable lower margin revenue versus episodic higher margin revenue. A few highlights for the quarter include strong performance from retail liquidation And another record revenue period for advisory services, which continue to outperform as an additional bright spot on our platform With increased contributions from both our specialty consulting and appraisal units, in addition to a strong quarter from our real estate restructuring division. During the quarter, we also saw meaningful increase in investment banking activity and improved performance from Wealth Management as a result of the actions we undertook to right In terms of our investments, we believe that equity valuations in the small cap market are as attractive as we have seen in a number of years And we'll look to take advantage of this opportunity both as a principal, but also to facilitate transactions for our clients.

Speaker 1

We have continued our disciplined focus on maintaining an optimal capital structure to both fund our continued growth and to take advantage of future opportunities. During the quarter, we raised approximately $150,000,000 in equity proceeds in connection with our common stock offering in July, Expanded our Nomura credit facility by approximately $240,000,000 and reduced our other outstanding debt by over 160,000,000 Taken together, these events resulted in a meaningful change in our capitalization as of September 30. With over $2,000,000,000 of cash and investment and a balanced Debt profile with the vast majority of our debt maturing in 2026 to 2028, our platform is strongly positioned as we look ahead to 2024 and beyond. We founded B. Riley over 25 years ago on a principle that there was a void of financial service firms that could adequately support the needs of companies and investors focused on the lower middle market.

Speaker 1

I think that premise still remains today and there is no other platform as diverse and competitively positioned as ours and the ability to provide value to our clients and partners. And there is no better team than the world class professionals across our B. Riley platform. With that, I will now turn the call over to Phil Ahn, our CFO and COO, to discuss key metrics for the quarter. Phil?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bryant. For the Q3 of 2023, B. Riley generated total revenues of $462,000,000 which represents a 48% increase from 312,000,000 for the same period in 2022. Total revenues also increased by 86 percent to $1,300,000,000 for the 1st 9 months of 2023 compared to $699,000,000 in the prior year period. Growth in revenue during the quarter was primarily driven by our Auction and Liquidation segment, Consumer segment and Financial Consulting segment.

Speaker 2

On a GAAP basis, we recorded a 3rd quarter net loss of $76,000,000 Primarily attributable to unrealized investment losses of the equity investments that we hold. Year to date, we reported a net loss of 16,000,000 Despite the markdowns in our investment portfolio, our platform continues to deliver strong operating results. For the Q3 of this year, operating revenues increased to $473,000,000 up from $319,000,000 in the prior year quarter. Operating revenues increased to $1,220,000,000 for the 1st 9 months of 2023, up from $843,000,000 in the same prior year period. 3rd quarter operating adjusted EBITDA increased to $107,500,000 up from $106,200,000 in the prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

And year to date, operating adjusted EBITDA increased to $268,000,000 up from $265,000,000 in the 1st 9 months of 2022. As a reminder, adjusted EBITDA and our metrics for operating and investment results may be considered non GAAP financial measures. Investors can find additional details relating to these metrics, including a reconciliation to the nearest GAAP measures in our earnings release and our financial supplement, which will be posted to our Investor Relations website. Now turning to a summary of our balance sheet as of September 30. At quarter end, we had approximately $252,000,000 of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents, dollars 1,200,000,000 in net securities and other investments And $549,000,000 in loans receivable at fair value.

Speaker 2

Total cash and investments was $2,050,000,000 including $58,000,000 of other investments reported in prepaid and other assets. Total debt as of September 30 Was approximately $2,360,000,000 Total debt net of cash and investments was $311,000,000 at quarter end. Finally, we declared our regular quarterly dividend of $1 per share, which we paid on or about November 30 to stockholders of record as of November 20. In addition, our Board has approved an annual share repurchase plan under which B. Riley may repurchase up to 50,000,000 of our common shares.

Speaker 2

This completes my financial summary. I'll now turn the call over to Tom Kelleher, our Co CEO, to discuss our business segments. Tom?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Phil. B. Riley's unique combination of businesses and collaborative team approach has enabled us to continue to deliver against the backdrop of challenging markets. Throughout 2023, we have remained focused on executing on our strategic plans by continuing to invest in our platform, Extending and strengthening our market share and building out our execution capabilities. Excluding our investment results, Our Capital Markets segment contributed operating revenues of $151,000,000 and operating income of $51,000,000 during the Q3.

Speaker 3

Within this segment, revenues from B. Riley Securities represented a year over year increase of over 10% with investment banking fees revenue up over 100 percent from Q2, driven by significantly higher underwritten offerings. In addition to adding several new clients in Q3, We completed key mandates for several repeat clients, including Harrow Health and Landsea Homes. Our M and A pipeline is beginning to bear fruit, and we expect activity to B. Riley Securities has established its leadership in capital formation for small caps and the middle market.

Speaker 3

As we continue to focus on developing and adding talent to expand our coverage, we believe we are positioned to increase market share as investment banking activity returns to more normalized Activity levels. In our Wealth Management segment, revenues increased both year over year and on a sequential basis to 51,000,000 Our 3rd quarter results demonstrate continued progress in our strategic initiatives to realign this business with improving margins and an upward trend in reoccurring revenues. At quarter end, our wealth assets under management totaled $24,000,000,000 and our producer base remained flat at approximately 400, representing a balanced mix between independent and W-two Advisors. As capital markets activity improves, we believe there is an opportunity for more upside in this business. In auction and liquidations, B.

Speaker 3

Riley Retail Solutions had a robust 3rd quarter, generating segment revenues of $78,000,000 and segment income of $18,000,000 Driven by an increase in both the number and the size of our retail liquidation engagements. The influx of new business that started during Q2 continued in the 3rd quarter Several new and ongoing domestic and European projects carrying into the 4th quarter. Engagements completed during the quarter include Bed Bath and Beyond, which we led with our JV partners and Salamander Shoes in Europe. More recent engagements include Z Gallerie and Depot Germany, which will contribute to future quarters. New business in Europe also continues to be promising as European retailers feel the effects of poor sales, Reduced Consumer Spending and Rising Interest Rates.

Speaker 3

Financial Consulting segment revenues of $37,000,000 represents an increase both on a sequential and absolute basis as another record period for our advisory services business. Segment income was $10,500,000 for the quarter, We are seeing momentum continue into what is historically a busy season in Q4. Increasing levels of client activity across bankruptcy and litigation, Consulting, appraisal and real estate restructuring contributed to our strong quarterly results. Additionally, our team of professionals at Farber I've already contributed meaningful results since joining our platform in February. This team operates as a seamless extension of our core bankruptcy and restructuring services in the Canada market, and we are currently in the process of introducing Legacy Farber's interim management and executive search as a new capability for us in the United States.

Speaker 3

We look forward to bringing our forensic accounting services to Canna in the near future as well. In our appraisal division, year over year revenues and operating Turning to our communications portfolio, segment revenues were $84,000,000 and segment income was $7,500,000 for the 3rd quarter. As a reminder, we acquired these businesses at opportunistic valuations and with an understanding that the portions of the respective market segments may continue to decline. We acquired United Online in 2016 and Magicjack in late 2018. Since then, we've generated cash flows in excess of our original purchase prices These businesses within about 2 years in the case of United Online and within 3.5 years for Magicjack.

Speaker 3

Both continue to be strong cash flow contributors to B. Riley. Based on our earlier successes with these businesses, we added Marconi Wireless to our portfolio in late 2021 and lingo bullseye through a series of transactions over the last year, which contributed to the significant increase in this segment. In our Consumer segment, revenues of $63,000,000 for the Q3 were largely driven by the addition of Targus to our platform In Q4 of last year, in addition to the brand licensing revenues from our 6 brands portfolio, Targus has faced challenges in 2023 Due to softness in the overall PC marketplace and as a result, we recorded a non cash goodwill and tradename impairment charge of $35,500,000 Which contributed to a segment loss for the quarter. However, with the strength of the Targus brand and financial strength of B.

Speaker 3

Riley, we believe Targus will be competitively positioned to gain Now, I'd like to turn the call back over to Bryant. Bryant?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Tom. Before we open up the call for Q and A, I just wanted to take a few moments to address the surrounding FRG. It wouldn't be appropriate for us to speculate or provide commentary on the reported allegations. However, I do think it's important for us to lend context FRG's $2,000,000,000 take private transaction. We placed a significant portion of the equity and principally invested in the deal alongside management and other co investors.

Speaker 1

We own a little over 30 percent equity interest in the private entity in connection with that transaction. FRG is comprised of 6 distinct businesses with over 3,000 combined locations across the U. S. And Canada, including American Freight, Babcock Furniture, Buddy's Home Furnishing, Pet Supply Plus, So the learning centers and the Vitamin Shoppe. Given our view that FRG's public valuation was below the sum of its parts, We saw a compelling opportunity to participate in its take private as to many co investors of that deal.

Speaker 1

We invested in FRG based on the fundamental of those distinct businesses. That is we underwrote and that is what we invested in, the FRG business, and our confidence in these businesses have not waned at all. From an operational perspective, FRG is not run by any one individual. As franchise businesses, These companies are run by 6 different management teams that operate with their own infrastructures. FRG was formed through the purchase of shares of the Founder of Liberty Tax in 2018.

Speaker 1

We purchased these shares at approximately $8 per share and we were a larger shareholder We realized return of over 30% IRR over the next few years on that original investment. We know these assets. As CEO, Brian Kahn was the architect that helped put these businesses together to form FRG as it is known today. I've known Brian for many years and have had no direct experience with what has been alleged. We learned of this matter late last week like many others and we continue to closely monitor However, I have no interest in going through hypotheticals and speculation.

Speaker 1

B. Riley's business is much more than just FRG and To the extent to which we have ever needed to work to protect the firm's interest and that of our investment partners, we have and always will. With that, we are ready to open for Q and A. As always, we are happy to address any questions within the context of our results and our overall business. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. We'll pause here briefly to allow questions to generate. Our first question comes from Sean at Charles Lane Capital. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, John. Can you guys hear me all right?

Speaker 5

Yes. Can you hear me?

Speaker 4

Loud and clear.

Speaker 5

Okay. Great.

Speaker 4

So On the consumer side,

Speaker 2

how big

Speaker 4

of the revenue increase? Like what contribution came from Targus

Speaker 5

Phil, do you have that number? I can tell you that effectively, I can break it down for you on EBITDA and Phil will come back to you. Targus was close to breakeven EBITDA for the quarter.

Speaker 4

Okay. The

Speaker 5

brands business represented the vast Majority of the EBITDA on the Brands business is doing great.

Speaker 4

And just remind me what Is that Scotts and Soda? Is that Hurley and Soda?

Speaker 5

So we have 6 brands that consist of Smaller brands that we originally acquired from BlueStar. And then the bigger ones are Justice, Hurley, Scotch and soda. And then we also have a majority position And BB, so those are the majority. We're actually seeing some exciting momentum in Limited 2. That's one of our 6 brands where that's got a kind of many of the children that Shop there now are now mothers and there's a lot of momentum around that brand.

Speaker 5

So it's we'll see what happens, but there's some there's definitely some momentum there.

Speaker 4

Got it. And then on auction and liquidation, big quarter, How should we think about the cadence of that business? I mean, for the current quarter, Are you seeing engagements? How do we kind of model that out?

Speaker 5

Yes. So look, we have tried to be really clear about how we think about the episodic businesses. And For a long time, the broker dealer was really the driver of the EBITDA on the episodic businesses. We have always known that liquidation and retail advisory would have its time and that business has been run Breakeven, when there's nothing going on through some advisory stuff and things like that. And that's the same with the broker dealer.

Speaker 5

When there's no capital markets And there's just no M and A, which has been the environment kind of off and on over the course of the last 3 or 4 months where our goal is just to breakeven And to have meaningful upside when things turn. And I think what you saw this quarter is there is a little bit more distress In the retail side, both domestically and Europe, we are a leader there and we had one of our best quarters ever. And I can't tell you that The timing of the next event, it's really short usually. We will find out A month before there's a company that the banks may want to do something. Usually happens in Q4 because what you will typically do is give a retailer through the So I will say that as I look forward in the next year of that business, I think it's going to be a very strong business.

Speaker 5

But I can't tell you that like there's an exact backlog. There's a lot of activity.

Speaker 4

Okay. A lot of news out there on your particular landlord recently filing for Bankruptcy. Can you comment on just is your Real Estate Solutions business Seeing any uptick in activity?

Speaker 5

Yes. I mean, We're definitely seeing an uptick in activity. I just can't quantify it for you.

Speaker 6

Okay.

Speaker 4

Fair enough. And then just last for me, just on the buyback, Timing of that, I mean, the stock's obviously been hit recently. Is that something that's going to You felt soon or how are you guys thinking about that in terms of So

Speaker 5

I mean it's obviously Something that we've done in the past, we'll do in the future when we think it makes sense. I mean, realize that what is not on our balance sheet Is the decision we made to sell bonds To a broad array of buyers because yield was hard to get 2 years ago and that is a huge asset. If we were to buy those bonds back in the open That would be from where we issued them over $280,000,000 Profit. So we have we can do that. We have to determine whether we think the opportunities are better than To yield that those trade, obviously, we have equity out there that is has a very low yield and we Feel like that's very undervalued.

Speaker 5

But the other thing I've said, Sean, before is the number one thing we will do Yes, we will utilize those dollars for retail advisory situations, liquidations where we are principal, that's our best IRR. And then there's just not a lot of buyers of small cap stocks and there's not a lot of funders of small cap companies. And this is a time where we think we can use our balance sheet to really create a lot of value for our shareholders. If you remember the last go around After COVID, I mean, we changed our whole business based on what we did there. Our EBITDA doubled, and we think that this environment is a great environment for We are incredibly well positioned to take advantage of that.

Speaker 4

Okay. Yes, I guess just You're trading at the stock is at a kind of alarmingly high yield. Any thought of maybe diverting some of the funds you guys use for dividend towards either more buybacks or Buying the bonds, just given how high your dividend yield is today?

Speaker 5

Look, I think that we would the dividend is very important to us and it's important for us to return a portion of our EBITDA to shareholders. I think what we could do if we wanted to be more aggressive around those things, we have some the brand's assets are amazing assets. They generate $50,000,000 of dividends. Those assets are super valuable. Do we think from time and the partners here are And that business is amazing and I'm a huge fan, but is that something that historically has traded at 12 times, Maybe trade that 8 times or 10 times now.

Speaker 5

That's something that if things got if there was an opportunity for us to do something dramatic Because our shares are our business is being undervalued, we would not hesitate to do something like that.

Speaker 4

Okay. Good to hear. Thanks guys for taking my questions and thanks for the update.

Speaker 5

Thanks,

Operator

Sean. Thank you, It's the raise hand icon on the right side of your deal roadshow screen.

Speaker 7

Yes, I have an email in question. This is Mike Frank. Brian, can you walk through the updated recurring EBITDA and then go through the forward interest expense and Maybe touch on the breakeven for B. Riley Securities.

Speaker 5

Sure. So The breakeven EBITDA, when you're talking about breakeven where we're paying for our whole dividend, right, paying our interest expense, it's in and around 85,000,000 And let me give you how we underwrite that $85,000,000 excuse me, and then you can kind of work through those numbers. So the way that we underwrite No, those that $85,000,000 is the broker dealer for a long period of time was averaging $30,000,000 Quarter and EBITDA. We just we underwrite that to $15,000,000 a quarter. Obviously, it did more this quarter.

Speaker 5

The retail advisory Can be all over the place, but we underwrite that to $7,000,000 a quarter. I mean, look at those numbers. Those numbers, the appraisal business is up 35%, advisory is far more than that. Those two businesses this quarter did over $10,000,000 EBITDA. So we underwrite that to $8,000,000 to $10,000,000 EBITDA per quarter.

Speaker 5

So you're at about 30,000,000 Telecoms, we were underwriting that to closer to 70, 80 a quarter. I think it's in and around 15 to 17 point $500,000 per quarter with the Telkom assets. Wealth, we underwrite to about $4,000,000 per quarter. Brands, including BB, dollars 12,000,000 per quarter interest income, In and around $25,000,000 per quarter, dollars 25,000,000 to $30,000,000 per quarter and Targus $10,000,000 per quarter. So Targus right now Last quarter was flat.

Speaker 5

It's going to be EBITDA positive this quarter and we are starting to see the PC market come back for many, many years. That business generated at least $40,000,000 in EBITDA per quarter. So we're not going to we recognize right now that that business But in our long term model, we underwrite that. So if you add all that up, it comes out to somewhere and then take $10,000,000 from corp, it comes Out to somewhere in around $85,000,000 $90,000,000 And then there's we think those are the conservative views of each of those businesses.

Speaker 7

And then Phil, do you want to comment on the interest expense going forward And any other overhead that might be included in

Speaker 5

those recurring businesses?

Speaker 4

Well, I

Speaker 2

could just comment on the go forward interest expense. We're roughly run rating at $42,000,000 a quarter in interest expense that when we netted against some of our investments and the net interest Income that we're receiving, the net of that is in the low 20s. And the when Brian was just talking about the operating business, That's inclusive of allocations for corporate.

Speaker 5

So the quick math is you could take 90, and we have D and A of 12 excuse me, we have interest of call it 40. It depends whether we're going to pay taxes or not. The dividend there's no CapEx in this business, very little CapEx. And you always have a minimum amount of taxes, but that's kind of the math. Anything else, Mike?

Speaker 5

Hello?

Speaker 7

Yes. So we've got a couple other in the queue. Operator, do you want to go to Next question please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brett at Nokomis Capital. Brett, your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, Brian. Could you just remind us Which brands were essentially your royalty income goes into dividend? And if there's anything else that was added into that line item year over year?

Speaker 5

Yes. Phil, do you have the breakdowns of each of the brands roughly, I mean, I have them roughly, but do you have that number handy?

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, actually, I don't have that, but I can follow-up on that. Thank you, Brett.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes. Brett, the number you're solving the brands business had a really strong quarter. Hold on, let me just give you a little bit of the habit here. Just give me one sec. But the brands business had a really strong quarter.

Speaker 5

So, 6 brands for The quarter was in and around 3 ish, 3 ish and change million. Hurley Justice was in and around 9,000,000 $9,500,000 that's higher than typical. Scotch and soda, we had a little bump from Scotch and soda because They have done a really good job of kind of getting to a spot of liquidating the assets before it's just a regular brand. So we up a couple of million there. So that's probably the biggest difference you're seeing is the scotch and soda.

Speaker 6

Got it. Because I can't remember the timing. Scotch and Soda was not in Q3 a year ago?

Speaker 5

No, it was not.

Speaker 6

Okay. So when I think of that, I think it went from $9,200,000 to $12,900,000 of dividend income. I should think about a moderate amount of same store growth, probably mostly limited to Which we're seeing in, I guess, a bigger presence in Walmart and then adding scotch and soda gets you that growth.

Speaker 5

Yes.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Brett. This concludes today's Q and A. I'd like to turn the call back to Mr. Riley for his closing remarks.

Speaker 5

Thanks, operator. I want to be I want to actually answer some questions that I don't think were asked. And I think there's Noise out there, so I want to address it and be crystal clear. We would have bought all of Franchise Group. We are a huge fan of that business and it's a really simple analysis.

Speaker 5

They have Great steady EBITDA in Vitamin Shops. Pet Supply Plus, which was bought for $900,000,000 is going to get to $140,000,000 in the next couple of years. American Freight is an unbelievable business that faces the same challenges at Targus. That's a business that was doing 110,000,000 In 2021 and went down along with bad cost. That was our opportunity.

Speaker 5

And we would buy that over and over again. We were a founder in that business. We have been a great we've had great partnership with Brian. We have great partnership with other management teams. We've helped fund Badcock.

Speaker 5

We sold the real estate. We made 27% IRR on our receivables. We made On the first batch, we made over 40% on the 2nd batch. We have $50,000,000 exposure there now, which is money good. And We over time determined that the better path was to allow shareholders that were involved in Franchise Group, many of which rolled As well as management, many of which purchased in the deal to participate.

Speaker 5

So there should be no confusion where that is. And I know that today, A statement came out from Brian denying any involvement and what happened with Prophecy and that's good enough for me. So I'm a I don't I want to just be crystal clear. I believe we are going to make a lot of money for our shareholders and franchise group, just like we did In the first investment when we bought a big chunk of Liberty Tax at 8, and just like we did in Badcock, and just like and we will continue to do so. So Want to answer that question and we'll go back to closing this out.

Speaker 5

And by the way, just want to again shout out to Everybody that's a partner with us, many of our shareholders that invested in our initial deal at 5 are still shareholders, and we appreciate your partnership. The people that we work with, our partners are like the best out there and I am so excited about how we are going to create value in the next Yes, with a little bit of dislocation out there. So thank you, operator, and we look forward to next quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Before we conclude today's call, I will provide B. Riley's financial Safe Harbor statement, which includes important cautions regarding forward looking statements made during this call. Statements made during this call that are not descriptors of historical facts are forward looking statements that are based on management's current expectations and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties. If such risks or uncertainties materialize or such assumptions prove Correct, our business, operating results, financial condition and stock price could be materially negatively affected.

Operator

You should not place undue reliance on such forward looking statements, which are based on the information currently available to us and speak only as of today's date. Such forward looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding our excitement and the expected growth of our business segments. Factors that could cause such actual results to differ materially from those contemplated or implied by such forward looking statements include, without limitation, The risks described from time to time in B. Riley Financial, Inc. Periodic filings with the SEC, including without limitation, The risks described in B.

Operator

Riley Financial, Inc. Annual report on Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2022, under the captions Risk Factors and Management's Discussion of Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations as applicable. Additional information will be set forth in B. Riley Financial's quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2023. These factors should be considered carefully and participants are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward looking statements.

Operator

All information is current as of today's call and B. Riley Financial undertakes no duty to update this information. Thank you for joining us today for B. Riley Financial's 3rd

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