NASDAQ:STRR Star Equity Q3 2023 Earnings Report $2.12 +0.08 (+3.68%) As of 04/28/2025 04:00 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History Star Equity EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.05Consensus EPS -$0.30Beat/MissBeat by +$0.35One Year Ago EPSN/AStar Equity Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$10.44 millionExpected Revenue$9.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.44 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AStar Equity Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/8/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, November 8, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsStar Equity's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 19, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Star Equity Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Star Equity Holding, Inc. 3rd Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. Please be advised that discussions on today's call may include forward looking statements. Such forward looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward looking statements. Please refer to Star Equity's most recent 10 ks and 10 Q filings a more complete description of risk factors that could affect these projections and assumptions. Operator00:00:29The company assumes no obligation to update forward looking statements as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Please also note that on this call, management will be referencing non GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share, which are all financial measures not recognized under U. S. GAAP. As required by SEC These non GAAP financial measures are reconciled to the most comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release issued this morning. Operator00:00:59If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release and would like to like one after the call, please contact Star Equity at 203 4,899,500 or its Investor Relations representative, Lina Catti of The Equity Group at 212 8,369,611. Also, this call is being broadcast live over the Internet and may be accessed at Star Equity's website via www.starequity.com. Shortly after the call, a replay will be available on the company's website. It's now my pleasure to introduce Rick Coleman, Chief Executive Officer of Star Equity. Speaker 100:01:40Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our Q3 2023 results conference call. With me today are our Executive Chairman, Jeff Eberwein and our Chief Financial Officer, Dave Noble. It's a pleasure to be with you today to update you on our Q3 results and to discuss our recent acquisition of Big Lake Lumber. Speaker 100:02:02Our 3rd quarter revenue decreased 6.1% to $10,400,000 compared to $11,100,000 in the Q3 of 2022 and our gross margin was also lower at 21.1% versus 27.7% in the same period last year. The primary driver for the revenue shortfall was The delay in large project starts, which have been adversely impacted by interest rates and macroeconomic uncertainty causing sector wide difficulty in securing project financing. It's important to note that in general, Year to date, our gross margin increased to 28.6% versus 17.7% in the 1st 9 months of last year, resulting in 29.9 percent higher gross profit despite lower revenue. And we maintain our mid-20s or higher Gross margin target for our Construction division. Sustained execution quality has contributed to the division's ability to maintain pricing levels And combined with management's ability to scale our workforce to meet demand, these factors have contributed to the division's gross margin improvement. Speaker 100:03:27We remain confident in the division's ability to continue delivering good results based on stronger signed backlog and a significantly stronger Sales opportunity pipeline than at this time last year. Despite economic headwinds across the construction space at large, Our reputation as a reliable and high quality partner in the markets we serve gives us a unique and sustainable position, which we will continue to leverage as the construction sector regains strength. We also continue to target niche markets where we feel our Based on our sales opportunity pipeline and construction backlog, We believe demand in all of these sectors will remain strong. We also have continued conviction in the ongoing growth of factory built construction in the United States, which according to the Modular Building Institute's most recent report now accounts for 6% of all new construction starts in North America, having tripled from 2% in 2015. Finally, consistent with our stated acquisition goals, We completed the acquisition of Big Lake Lumber, a Minneapolis based building supply center and lumber yard on October 31. Speaker 100:04:57Big Lake will be integrated into Glenbrook Building Supply, the building supply and lumberyard portion of our Edge Builder construction business. We believe this complementary bolt on transaction establishes Glenbrook as a strong regional player in the Twin Cities market. Additionally, we expect the addition of Big Lake to immediately diversify Glenbrook's revenue mix by adding more single family residential business where we had historically been weighted more heavily in the commercial sector. We believe Big Lake also presents opportunities for margin Synergies and the establishment of potential new product lines. This acquisition represents an important step In the execution of our overall growth strategy, which includes organic construction division expansion, bolt on acquisitions, acquisitions in new And thoughtfully exploring new opportunities at our Investments division. Speaker 100:05:56Now, I will turn the call over to Dave Noble, our CFO, to provide additional Q3 consolidated financial highlights. Dave, go ahead. Speaker 200:06:07Thank you, Rick, and good morning. Let's now turn to Star Equity's consolidated financial results. I would like to note that due to the sale of our Healthcare business on May 4, All results and historical comparisons relate only to continuing operations, which includes construction and investments. Digirad Health is now reported as part of our discontinued operations. In Q3 2023, SG and A increased by 10.9% This was mainly due to transactions costs related to the sale of Digirad as well as increased activity in our Investments division. Speaker 200:06:43Moving on to bottom line results for Star Equity. We generated a net loss from continuing operations of $2,400,000 in Q3 compared to a net loss from continuing operations of $1,000,000 in Q3 of 2022. Non GAAP adjusted net loss from continuing operations in Q3 was $200,000 compared to an adjusted net loss of $300,000 in Q3 of 2022. Non GAAP adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was essentially at breakeven at minus $14,000 in Q3 versus a positive $600,000 in Q3 of 2022. For the year to date period, non GAAP Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations improved to minus $50,000 essentially breakeven from minus $1,000,000 in year to date 2022. Speaker 200:07:33On a standalone basis before public company costs, our construction division generated non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $800,000 in Q3, down from $1,800,000 in Q3 of 2022. However, year to date non GAAP adjusted EBITDA from construction was $3,700,000 which is up from $3,500,000 in year to date 2022. Consolidated cash flow from continuing operations for Q3 was an inflow of $800,000 versus an outflow of $3,200,000 in Q3 of 2022. This cash flow increase was driven primarily by a decline in working For the year to date period, consolidated cash flow from continuing operations was an inflow of $2,700,000 compared to an outflow $200,000 in the prior year period. As of September 30, 2023, our consolidated balance sheet and liquidity remains strong. Speaker 200:08:27As a result of the sale of our healthcare business on May 4, we had just $500,000 in interest bearing debt and our consolidated unrestricted cash balance stood at $20,700,000 at the end of Q3. Now I'd like to turn it back to Rick for some additional remarks. Speaker 100:08:45Thank you, Dave. The Big Lake Lumber acquisition represents an important step in executing on our disciplined growth plan following May's transformative Digirad Health divestiture. The Star Equity Board and management team are fully focused on creating Additional shareholder value through our targeted business development initiatives and we'll look to continue Looking for additional accretive acquisition opportunities for Construction Division as well as new potential platforms for growth. We look forward to sharing more details with shareholders as our plans evolve. Now I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:09:47At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And the first question comes from Theodore O'Neill with Lickfield Hills Research. Speaker 300:09:58Thanks very much. First question on Big Lake. Is this a one off opportunity like a Retiring founder or is there more opportunity in the lumber business in general? Speaker 100:10:12I'd say that's the latter. In fact, the owner of the business and the entire team are staying as part of the integrated operation with Glenbrook. So we're really excited about having them. They represent growth opportunity for us. We feel like there are great synergies between the two businesses. Speaker 100:10:34And we structured the deal that we have in such a way that everyone's incented to move the business forward. Speaker 300:10:42Okay. Are you giving out any guidance on how this would add to revenue going forward? Speaker 100:10:51No, we haven't provided any guidance. Dave, you want to mention that? Speaker 400:10:54Yes. This is Jeff. The business goes up and down. We disclosed in our 8 ks what the purchase price Was which was $3,300,000 We do see the business doing around $10,000,000 of revenue, with around a 10% EBITDA margin and we're hopeful that we can grow it And that there'll be some synergies by combining this business with the Glenbrook business. Speaker 300:11:31Okay. That's helpful. Helpful, Jeff. And Rick, you said in your prepared remarks that the market is better now than it was a year ago. Does that show up in your backlog and pipeline? Speaker 300:11:43And what gives you the confidence that the business is better? Speaker 100:11:47It's both of those. It's our backlog and our pipeline. I think I mentioned that Our pipeline of new business opportunities was significantly higher than it was at this time last year. We chose those words carefully because we felt like significantly may not be strong enough, but there's a lot of pent up demand for business That has just been deferred over the last year or so. And our backlog is strong of deals that are signed and ready to be built. Speaker 300:12:22Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:12:25Thank you. And the next question comes from Tate Sullivan with Maxim Group. Speaker 500:12:30Hi, this is Justin Smith for Tate Sullivan in today. So my question is, do you guys think Star's outlook for the modular Construction market within New England is more positive than last year. It sounds like you guys do believe that, but if you're able to give any more color on that, please? Speaker 100:12:50Yes. Thank you for the question. We do think that that is much stronger than it was last year. The outlook for 2024, We believe it's going to exceed 2023 results, but we're making assumptions about what the macroeconomic environment will look like. At some point, the pent up demand for building projects in general, but in particular residential projects It's got to break through the barrier of the interest rate delays. Speaker 100:13:22So we feel good about Where we are, we feel good that our business is structured in a way and prepared to absorb an additional amount of construction activity. And we're just moving through the backlog one deal at a time. Speaker 400:13:39And this is Jeff. This is Jeff. What I would add to that is, clearly over the last year, we've had a massive increase in interest rates And nationwide and in the New England market, we have seen less we have seen that impact Demand for residential, but also commercial and it's not just the higher rates, but on commercial projects, it's harder to get credit. And the way we have dealt with that is maintained our pricing discipline, Really focused on efficiency, operations, running the tightest ship we possibly can. And the biggest one is getting into new verticals that are less macroeconomic dependent. Speaker 400:14:31We've announced a few of those a year ago. We built dormitories for a college in New England. Earlier this year, we announced we were building Some buildings for a school that needed to expand. There's a lot of projects out there for workforce housing. So we see A shortage in the market and the market is starting to adjust to the higher rate environment. Speaker 400:15:00And we're also seeing greater adoption of modular. One of the things in Rick's prepared comments was that the modular Housing Institute says that Modular's market share is 6% versus 2% before COVID. So we're just seeing more projects that are going modular, I. E. Factory built. Speaker 400:15:26And there's a lot of reasons for that. The number one is speed to completion, But also in a lot of cases lower cost, it's greener and better quality. So when the markets do come back, they were kind of the regular markets, We think we're well positioned to participate in increases in activity. So we're happy with how we've executed Given the slowdown in the overall market and it's as we've talked about through finding some interesting niches that Or less macroeconomic dependent. Speaker 500:16:08Okay. Thank you. That was all very helpful. Operator00:16:11Thank you. And the next question comes from Devin Hsu with North First Capital. Speaker 500:16:16Hi, thanks for taking my question. Could you characterize or would be willing to characterize in terms of your backlog and pipeline, maybe like a ballpark percentage type of growth you're seeing or how we could maybe think about that? Speaker 100:16:32Yes. We actually wanted to do that on this call. But as we looked back at the statistics, we weren't We're 100% certain that we were measuring apples and apples just due to the evolution of our systems at Both of our construction businesses, but the pipeline is where we're seeing the most significant growth. And again, I think that's just pent up demand building, waiting for financing, waiting for credit approval as Jeff mentioned. So our backlog is where our near term opportunities are of course and we feel confident that we've got several months Of backlog ready to be built. Speaker 500:17:19Got it. And then I guess given the kind of unique Macroeconomic versus pent up demand environment, how are conversations in terms of M and A going, are there buyers are sellers more willing or how what are you guys doing there? Speaker 100:17:41Well, I would say this, we've looked at a number of different opportunities. We've got access to Hundreds and hundreds of opportunities and it's a bit challenging to read through them all. Our priorities are, First of all, increasing shareholder value, but we're also looking for opportunities to expand both of our construction businesses through bolt on Opportunities and at the same time looking for other growth acquisitions where we have either specific on the corporate team or where we see a good fit with our existing businesses. So we're continuing to read through those. And because of our holding company structure, we were able to look at a wide variety of alternatives In our Investment Solutions as well as in the core operating business. Speaker 500:18:36I guess could you characterize whether or not it's more of a buyer's market Since maybe last quarter or kind of no change? Speaker 100:18:45Yes, From what I've seen, it's very situational. There are a number of great opportunities where, as someone mentioned earlier, The founders are retiring and there's no one to pick up the ball and move the business forward. But There are also a number of opportunities where expectations for pricing are just simply too high Based on results in 2022 without regard to what the forward looking environment might be. We're being very selective trying to be value investors and at the same time balance that With our desire to grow the business. Speaker 500:19:27Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:31Thank you. All right. This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor over to Rick Coleman for any closing comments. Speaker 100:19:47Thank you, operator. Before concluding the call, I want to note that we're always available to take your call and to discuss any additional questions you might have. So please don't hesitate to contact us. We'll continue to share our story with existing and potential investors in the coming weeks months. And as always, we appreciate your interest as well as your continued feedback and support. Speaker 100:20:08Thank you. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Star Equity Holding, Inc. 3rd Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. Please be advised that discussions on today's call may include forward looking statements. Such forward looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward looking statements. Please refer to Star Equity's most recent 10 ks and 10 Q filings a more complete description of risk factors that could affect these projections and assumptions. Operator00:00:29The company assumes no obligation to update forward looking statements as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Please also note that on this call, management will be referencing non GAAP financial measures, including EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share, which are all financial measures not recognized under U. S. GAAP. As required by SEC These non GAAP financial measures are reconciled to the most comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release issued this morning. Operator00:00:59If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release and would like to like one after the call, please contact Star Equity at 203 4,899,500 or its Investor Relations representative, Lina Catti of The Equity Group at 212 8,369,611. Also, this call is being broadcast live over the Internet and may be accessed at Star Equity's website via www.starequity.com. Shortly after the call, a replay will be available on the company's website. It's now my pleasure to introduce Rick Coleman, Chief Executive Officer of Star Equity. Speaker 100:01:40Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our Q3 2023 results conference call. With me today are our Executive Chairman, Jeff Eberwein and our Chief Financial Officer, Dave Noble. It's a pleasure to be with you today to update you on our Q3 results and to discuss our recent acquisition of Big Lake Lumber. Speaker 100:02:02Our 3rd quarter revenue decreased 6.1% to $10,400,000 compared to $11,100,000 in the Q3 of 2022 and our gross margin was also lower at 21.1% versus 27.7% in the same period last year. The primary driver for the revenue shortfall was The delay in large project starts, which have been adversely impacted by interest rates and macroeconomic uncertainty causing sector wide difficulty in securing project financing. It's important to note that in general, Year to date, our gross margin increased to 28.6% versus 17.7% in the 1st 9 months of last year, resulting in 29.9 percent higher gross profit despite lower revenue. And we maintain our mid-20s or higher Gross margin target for our Construction division. Sustained execution quality has contributed to the division's ability to maintain pricing levels And combined with management's ability to scale our workforce to meet demand, these factors have contributed to the division's gross margin improvement. Speaker 100:03:27We remain confident in the division's ability to continue delivering good results based on stronger signed backlog and a significantly stronger Sales opportunity pipeline than at this time last year. Despite economic headwinds across the construction space at large, Our reputation as a reliable and high quality partner in the markets we serve gives us a unique and sustainable position, which we will continue to leverage as the construction sector regains strength. We also continue to target niche markets where we feel our Based on our sales opportunity pipeline and construction backlog, We believe demand in all of these sectors will remain strong. We also have continued conviction in the ongoing growth of factory built construction in the United States, which according to the Modular Building Institute's most recent report now accounts for 6% of all new construction starts in North America, having tripled from 2% in 2015. Finally, consistent with our stated acquisition goals, We completed the acquisition of Big Lake Lumber, a Minneapolis based building supply center and lumber yard on October 31. Speaker 100:04:57Big Lake will be integrated into Glenbrook Building Supply, the building supply and lumberyard portion of our Edge Builder construction business. We believe this complementary bolt on transaction establishes Glenbrook as a strong regional player in the Twin Cities market. Additionally, we expect the addition of Big Lake to immediately diversify Glenbrook's revenue mix by adding more single family residential business where we had historically been weighted more heavily in the commercial sector. We believe Big Lake also presents opportunities for margin Synergies and the establishment of potential new product lines. This acquisition represents an important step In the execution of our overall growth strategy, which includes organic construction division expansion, bolt on acquisitions, acquisitions in new And thoughtfully exploring new opportunities at our Investments division. Speaker 100:05:56Now, I will turn the call over to Dave Noble, our CFO, to provide additional Q3 consolidated financial highlights. Dave, go ahead. Speaker 200:06:07Thank you, Rick, and good morning. Let's now turn to Star Equity's consolidated financial results. I would like to note that due to the sale of our Healthcare business on May 4, All results and historical comparisons relate only to continuing operations, which includes construction and investments. Digirad Health is now reported as part of our discontinued operations. In Q3 2023, SG and A increased by 10.9% This was mainly due to transactions costs related to the sale of Digirad as well as increased activity in our Investments division. Speaker 200:06:43Moving on to bottom line results for Star Equity. We generated a net loss from continuing operations of $2,400,000 in Q3 compared to a net loss from continuing operations of $1,000,000 in Q3 of 2022. Non GAAP adjusted net loss from continuing operations in Q3 was $200,000 compared to an adjusted net loss of $300,000 in Q3 of 2022. Non GAAP adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was essentially at breakeven at minus $14,000 in Q3 versus a positive $600,000 in Q3 of 2022. For the year to date period, non GAAP Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations improved to minus $50,000 essentially breakeven from minus $1,000,000 in year to date 2022. Speaker 200:07:33On a standalone basis before public company costs, our construction division generated non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $800,000 in Q3, down from $1,800,000 in Q3 of 2022. However, year to date non GAAP adjusted EBITDA from construction was $3,700,000 which is up from $3,500,000 in year to date 2022. Consolidated cash flow from continuing operations for Q3 was an inflow of $800,000 versus an outflow of $3,200,000 in Q3 of 2022. This cash flow increase was driven primarily by a decline in working For the year to date period, consolidated cash flow from continuing operations was an inflow of $2,700,000 compared to an outflow $200,000 in the prior year period. As of September 30, 2023, our consolidated balance sheet and liquidity remains strong. Speaker 200:08:27As a result of the sale of our healthcare business on May 4, we had just $500,000 in interest bearing debt and our consolidated unrestricted cash balance stood at $20,700,000 at the end of Q3. Now I'd like to turn it back to Rick for some additional remarks. Speaker 100:08:45Thank you, Dave. The Big Lake Lumber acquisition represents an important step in executing on our disciplined growth plan following May's transformative Digirad Health divestiture. The Star Equity Board and management team are fully focused on creating Additional shareholder value through our targeted business development initiatives and we'll look to continue Looking for additional accretive acquisition opportunities for Construction Division as well as new potential platforms for growth. We look forward to sharing more details with shareholders as our plans evolve. Now I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:09:47At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And the first question comes from Theodore O'Neill with Lickfield Hills Research. Speaker 300:09:58Thanks very much. First question on Big Lake. Is this a one off opportunity like a Retiring founder or is there more opportunity in the lumber business in general? Speaker 100:10:12I'd say that's the latter. In fact, the owner of the business and the entire team are staying as part of the integrated operation with Glenbrook. So we're really excited about having them. They represent growth opportunity for us. We feel like there are great synergies between the two businesses. Speaker 100:10:34And we structured the deal that we have in such a way that everyone's incented to move the business forward. Speaker 300:10:42Okay. Are you giving out any guidance on how this would add to revenue going forward? Speaker 100:10:51No, we haven't provided any guidance. Dave, you want to mention that? Speaker 400:10:54Yes. This is Jeff. The business goes up and down. We disclosed in our 8 ks what the purchase price Was which was $3,300,000 We do see the business doing around $10,000,000 of revenue, with around a 10% EBITDA margin and we're hopeful that we can grow it And that there'll be some synergies by combining this business with the Glenbrook business. Speaker 300:11:31Okay. That's helpful. Helpful, Jeff. And Rick, you said in your prepared remarks that the market is better now than it was a year ago. Does that show up in your backlog and pipeline? Speaker 300:11:43And what gives you the confidence that the business is better? Speaker 100:11:47It's both of those. It's our backlog and our pipeline. I think I mentioned that Our pipeline of new business opportunities was significantly higher than it was at this time last year. We chose those words carefully because we felt like significantly may not be strong enough, but there's a lot of pent up demand for business That has just been deferred over the last year or so. And our backlog is strong of deals that are signed and ready to be built. Speaker 300:12:22Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:12:25Thank you. And the next question comes from Tate Sullivan with Maxim Group. Speaker 500:12:30Hi, this is Justin Smith for Tate Sullivan in today. So my question is, do you guys think Star's outlook for the modular Construction market within New England is more positive than last year. It sounds like you guys do believe that, but if you're able to give any more color on that, please? Speaker 100:12:50Yes. Thank you for the question. We do think that that is much stronger than it was last year. The outlook for 2024, We believe it's going to exceed 2023 results, but we're making assumptions about what the macroeconomic environment will look like. At some point, the pent up demand for building projects in general, but in particular residential projects It's got to break through the barrier of the interest rate delays. Speaker 100:13:22So we feel good about Where we are, we feel good that our business is structured in a way and prepared to absorb an additional amount of construction activity. And we're just moving through the backlog one deal at a time. Speaker 400:13:39And this is Jeff. This is Jeff. What I would add to that is, clearly over the last year, we've had a massive increase in interest rates And nationwide and in the New England market, we have seen less we have seen that impact Demand for residential, but also commercial and it's not just the higher rates, but on commercial projects, it's harder to get credit. And the way we have dealt with that is maintained our pricing discipline, Really focused on efficiency, operations, running the tightest ship we possibly can. And the biggest one is getting into new verticals that are less macroeconomic dependent. Speaker 400:14:31We've announced a few of those a year ago. We built dormitories for a college in New England. Earlier this year, we announced we were building Some buildings for a school that needed to expand. There's a lot of projects out there for workforce housing. So we see A shortage in the market and the market is starting to adjust to the higher rate environment. Speaker 400:15:00And we're also seeing greater adoption of modular. One of the things in Rick's prepared comments was that the modular Housing Institute says that Modular's market share is 6% versus 2% before COVID. So we're just seeing more projects that are going modular, I. E. Factory built. Speaker 400:15:26And there's a lot of reasons for that. The number one is speed to completion, But also in a lot of cases lower cost, it's greener and better quality. So when the markets do come back, they were kind of the regular markets, We think we're well positioned to participate in increases in activity. So we're happy with how we've executed Given the slowdown in the overall market and it's as we've talked about through finding some interesting niches that Or less macroeconomic dependent. Speaker 500:16:08Okay. Thank you. That was all very helpful. Operator00:16:11Thank you. And the next question comes from Devin Hsu with North First Capital. Speaker 500:16:16Hi, thanks for taking my question. Could you characterize or would be willing to characterize in terms of your backlog and pipeline, maybe like a ballpark percentage type of growth you're seeing or how we could maybe think about that? Speaker 100:16:32Yes. We actually wanted to do that on this call. But as we looked back at the statistics, we weren't We're 100% certain that we were measuring apples and apples just due to the evolution of our systems at Both of our construction businesses, but the pipeline is where we're seeing the most significant growth. And again, I think that's just pent up demand building, waiting for financing, waiting for credit approval as Jeff mentioned. So our backlog is where our near term opportunities are of course and we feel confident that we've got several months Of backlog ready to be built. Speaker 500:17:19Got it. And then I guess given the kind of unique Macroeconomic versus pent up demand environment, how are conversations in terms of M and A going, are there buyers are sellers more willing or how what are you guys doing there? Speaker 100:17:41Well, I would say this, we've looked at a number of different opportunities. We've got access to Hundreds and hundreds of opportunities and it's a bit challenging to read through them all. Our priorities are, First of all, increasing shareholder value, but we're also looking for opportunities to expand both of our construction businesses through bolt on Opportunities and at the same time looking for other growth acquisitions where we have either specific on the corporate team or where we see a good fit with our existing businesses. So we're continuing to read through those. And because of our holding company structure, we were able to look at a wide variety of alternatives In our Investment Solutions as well as in the core operating business. Speaker 500:18:36I guess could you characterize whether or not it's more of a buyer's market Since maybe last quarter or kind of no change? Speaker 100:18:45Yes, From what I've seen, it's very situational. There are a number of great opportunities where, as someone mentioned earlier, The founders are retiring and there's no one to pick up the ball and move the business forward. But There are also a number of opportunities where expectations for pricing are just simply too high Based on results in 2022 without regard to what the forward looking environment might be. We're being very selective trying to be value investors and at the same time balance that With our desire to grow the business. Speaker 500:19:27Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:19:31Thank you. All right. This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor over to Rick Coleman for any closing comments. Speaker 100:19:47Thank you, operator. Before concluding the call, I want to note that we're always available to take your call and to discuss any additional questions you might have. So please don't hesitate to contact us. We'll continue to share our story with existing and potential investors in the coming weeks months. And as always, we appreciate your interest as well as your continued feedback and support. Speaker 100:20:08Thank you. 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