Digi International Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 9, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Digi International Fiscal 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jamie Locke, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good day, everyone. It's great to talk to you again, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the earnings results of Digi International. Joining me on today's call is Ron Knezny, our President and CEO. We issued our earnings release before the market opened this morning.

Speaker 1

You may obtain a copy of the press through the Financial Releases section of our Investor Relations website at digi.com. This morning, Ron will provide a comment on our performance, and then we'll take your questions. Some of the statements that we make during this call are considered forward looking and are subject to significant risks and uncertainties. These statements reflect our expectations about future operating and financial performance and speak only as of today's date. We undertake no obligation to update publicly or revise these forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

While we believe the expectations reflected in our forward looking statements are reasonable, we give no assurance such expectations will be met or that any of our forward looking statements will prove to be correct. For additional information, please refer to the forward looking statements section in our earnings release today and the risk factors section of our most recent Form 10 ks And subsequent reports on file with the SEC. Finally, certain of the financial information disclosed on this call includes non GAAP measures. The information required to be disclosed about these measures, including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are included in the earnings release. The earnings release is also furnished as an exhibit to Form 8 ks that can be accessed through the SEC filings section of our Investor Relations website.

Speaker 1

Now I'll turn the call over to Ron.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jamie. Good morning, everyone. Before we jump into Q and A, a few comments. What an incredible year for Digi. We connected millions of industrial things to the Internet, unlocking savings, Improving customer service and reducing our customers' carbon footprint with fewer truck rolls and higher uptime.

Speaker 2

Throughout a turbulent fiscal 2023, We set new records for ARR, adjusted EBITDA and revenues. We paid down $36,000,000 in debt And improved our gross and adjusted EBITDA margins. We are proud to have essentially achieved our $300,000,000 goals. And now we begin our next journey to double ARR and adjusted EBITDA to $200,000,000 in the next 5 years. Although we'll be off to a modest start in our fiscal 2024 period, we believe the dip is contained to a subset of long term customers that need time to deploy their inventory.

Speaker 2

We expect to grow ARR and adjusted EBITDA faster than the top line continuing the improvement of our model. There are billions of industrial things that need to be connected and Digi is excited to play a leading role by providing secure, Resilient and easy to manage solutions. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to the operator for our questions and answer session. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Tommy Moll with Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Tommy.

Speaker 3

Ron, you referenced The dip in terms of revenue as largely relating to a subset of customers and their extended deployment timeframes, I think that maybe the same point you referenced about console servers in the earnings release. But could you just give us any more context on what you're saying there?

Speaker 1

Yes, there's some I think

Speaker 2

you've seen this with other companies in the data center space and then some Industrial sectors as analogies, but there are some of our customers that have taken inventory, it's taken a little bit longer than the original projections To deploy that inventory, there's quite often a collection of products that need to be deployed together, not just Digi equipment, but other vendors like Cisco, etcetera. And so getting all that organized, deployed, matching that with demand profiles is taking a little bit longer than they originally projected.

Speaker 3

And is that Do you think, Ron, a function of a slowing in that underlying demand? Or is it more a function of logistics and just having to stage The timing of deployments?

Speaker 4

Yes, Tom, I think it's a

Speaker 2

bit of both. I think that the long term trends are there as more and more work moves to the cloud. So we're confident in that long term Trend, I think there's more of an aberration where probably growth rates were a little bit higher than expected and also the logistics of putting things together. In some cases, these are literally deployed around the world. And so forwarding all that can take some planning.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. The other question I had was on your guidance for the year, flat revenue Overall, and so at the segment level, are we expecting something similar for both or one's up, one's down? And then on the EBITDA line, you're showing progression on flat revenue.

Speaker 3

So there must be some driver for that margin expansion. If you could highlight that as well, it would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think really it's similar story across the segments in terms of our expectations. And we do expect ARR to grow Sure. And that's one of the really important contributing factors to Digi's mission as a whole, which is to increase the amount of ARR on an absolute basis and as a And where we see that really flow down is to the gross margin line and if we're good operators like we anticipate being To adjust EBITDA line, our recurring revenue is generally at much higher margins than the consolidated gross revenue or gross margin level. And so that's the dynamic you're seeing play out.

Speaker 3

That's helpful. Thank you. And I'll turn it back.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Mike Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks and congrats on the strong fiscal 'twenty three. I guess, Ron, just a little more on the flattish revenue growth for fiscal 'twenty four. With increased ARR, how much of an impact might there be to the hardware sales from maybe bundling, So you get a little lower hardware revenue upfront that's built into that guidance that's driving the AR and higher margin longer term?

Speaker 2

Yes, Mike, that's a real important dynamic. And I think as you and many of our investors know, that's a key theme of ours is to become More of a solution provider and move away from one time sales. And so we're seeing bolt in solutions and to some extent And overall better economics for the customer and for Digi. So you're seeing that certainly in the Solutions segment where we're seeing fewer and fewer customers that want to One time for deployment rather than wrapping all of those services into a single monthly expenditure. We're also seeing to some extent, with our product services group, especially with cellular and Ventus working increasingly closer together.

Speaker 2

We may lead with a cellular router solution, but over time it

Speaker 4

And I guess for my follow-up question, Jamie, is supply demand more balanced now? Are there still hard to get components? And then as we think about maybe your cash flow in In fiscal 2024, how might inventory and working capital improve to drive some incremental cash flow off the guidance you just gave?

Speaker 1

Yes. Mike, it's you know the challenges in the supply chain better than anybody. I do think we're seeing some improvement. I think there still is a handful where we are tested. But largely, I think we've navigated through that either through But largely, I think we've navigated through that either through the supply chain easing or through some of the strategic buys that we made that have really Put us in a position to meet our customer demand.

Speaker 1

I agree with your assessment. I would expect as the year progresses that we will not see some of demands through the And that should free us up from a working capital perspective, both to realize the benefits in working capital and the investments That were made in 2023 as well as maybe not needing to see the builds that we saw to that degree in 2024. And so I would expect Cash conversion on that adjusted EBITDA line to improve from where it was in 2023 and probably could predict that, that would Acquaint into a more aggressive debt pay down in 24.

Speaker 4

Great. That's helpful. I'll pass the line.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Scott Searle with Roth MKM. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Hey, Ron, maybe to just quickly follow-up on Mike's question again. As you're looking at the traditional One time sale of the hardware gateway market, transitioning more to Aventis like model. Could you give us some metrics around what you're seeing in terms of That pre existing base wanting to move towards the recurring model from what's historically been the one time

Speaker 2

Yes. So one metric as an example, if you look at within our Solutions segment, you look at the revenue that's of a subscription nature Versus the total revenue in fiscal 2022, it was around 79%, fiscal 2023, it was 82%. That's an example of moving more towards recurring and away from the one time Sales that's been predominantly driven by SmartSense. As a comparison within product and services, We

Speaker 4

saw a

Speaker 2

significant increase in the recurring in fiscal 2023. I think it was close to 50% increase in the recurring. And That's a combination of having greater attach rates with our solutions, but also to some extent moving Towards a more of a subscription and solution sale versus the traditional one time. It does take a lot of work on change management, both internally and with our channel partners to execute. But we're really excited to see that progress, 2022 over 2023.

Speaker 5

Ron, maybe to just follow-up on that. So what is What's the expectation in terms of the conversion of that hardware base, that one time sale to a recurring mix as we look out in fiscal 2024 and Yes, Scott. I think it is a gradual process initially, but it sounds like it started to accelerate, which is a good thing longer term.

Speaker 2

Yes. Scott, it's a really good question. And we're hesitant to provide specifics, but I think it's going to be a gradual thing. We've got to be very careful with change management. We've got a lot of long term customers we need to work closely with as we move to this model.

Speaker 2

And Some of them have been budgeting for years with CapEx, right? So we show up and say we want to deliver on OpEx. We need to be patient as they incorporate that into their budgets moving forward. So To your question, I think it's more of a slow motion event than say a big bang where we force Customers to move over that is maybe inappropriate for them from a timing perspective.

Speaker 5

Got you. And as a follow-up, Just looking out into the December quarter and for the guidance for fiscal 2024, I'm wondering if you could kind of tick through some of the different product lines in terms of where you're seeing Some weakness in the broad based expectations for fiscal 2024. You commented already on the out of band and Opengear and data center, but I'm wondering if you could Kind of highlight some of the other areas of where you're seeing relative strength and how the channel is performing right now? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Scott, good question. We really think it's primarily isolated to that subset of customers within console server. If they were ordering product as they've done previously, you'd be seeing growth in the period year over year. So that alone really does explain a lot of the difference.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned earlier, we do expect them to digest and get back on track with The traditional ordering patterns, but it will take a quarter or 2 for that to normalize. And that's really what's baked into that assumption as we see that recovery throughout 2024.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Robert Igano with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the question. Robert Agwano on for Harsh Kumar here. More of a strategic question. How are you guys balancing the weakness in the near term coming from your large customers that you had mentioned as well as inventory buildups?

Speaker 6

Can you compare that versus maybe how you're thinking about further penetration of your products into potentially other geographies or within the markets that you guys play in already? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for the question, Robert. While we've got this near term dip, we are absolutely confident in the long term Growth rates of our end markets and of Digi, we think we're outperforming the market when we look at other public companies as well as private companies We think are down significantly double digits. So we think we're doing better than most and we don't want to let up the gas pedal on the investments, whether they be Capital or labor resources. So we're in a very offensive posture because we think that the long term trend is there even if we've got a short term dip.

Speaker 2

There are just so many opportunities to connect remote assets, to connect people to their remote assets and the ROI is compelling. They are always compelling in good times and even in times of more stressed macroeconomic concerns like we potentially have today.

Speaker 6

Awesome. And as my follow-up, just on that hardware to software transition, How are your legacy hardware customers responding maybe the large customers specifically If you put the software in front of them and maybe they only want to stick with the hardware, are you keeping that business or without getting Too specific. How are you reacting to that situation?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a good question, Robert. We're very, very sensitive to existing relationships. They've relied on us for In some cases, decades. And we want to sell them the value. We want to convince them.

Speaker 2

We don't want to threaten them. We don't want to hold them hostage, If you will, 2 new models. We want to work over time to understand what opportunities there are to transition them to solutions and earn that business rather than forcing it. Certainly, with new opportunities, it's a much different story. New opportunities, we're much more convicted and courageous on positioning ourselves as solution Provider, which both, quite frankly, allows us to avoid opportunities that don't have a good match as well as Pursuant to those that do have a good match.

Speaker 2

And as many of you know, we're not alone in this journey. There are other companies that are going down this. So Hardly an unfamiliar story, but the key for us is translating our solution strength and matching that very closely with the customers' need.

Speaker 6

Thanks, guys.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Anthony Stoss with Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning, guys. Ron, can

Speaker 3

you maybe address any changes that you've seen as of yet on from your recurring revenue customers? And then maybe Jamie any thoughts On OpEx kind of for 2024 on a quarterly basis. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning, Tony. Yes, we're excited To grow ARR faster than the top line, so we think overall it's a real compelling message. And we're seeing a lot of our customers quite frankly Focus on their internal expertise and decide to trust us with the solution rather than managing internally. So We feel that's a, if you will, a mini trend under this megatrend of industrial IoT where customers are having more success, Getting there faster by trusting companies like Digi with the entire solution and trying to manage the bits and pieces themselves. So we feel really emboldened on this journey and feel, 1st and foremost, it's in the customer's best interest and of course, secondly, that we deliver incredible, impeccable solutions that are performing at a higher level And what they could do on their own.

Speaker 2

And so I think that's just a really good favorable backdrop and trend for this position On solutions and then having that translate, of course, for us for ARR. Jamie, I'll let you comment on the OpEx side. Yes. Tony, I think from an OpEx perspective,

Speaker 1

You have to look over a little bit of a trend, right? In Q4 as is typical, you'll get some Accounting treatment that ends up flowing through that line through several lines that can create kind of a weird result if just look at that standalone, but if you look at it over a 4th quarter period, you'll see that it's trending. It's There's nothing wild that's really happening. We continue to be open to the right investments for the business, whether that would be Capital or operating expense investments. But I would project as we watch this transition take One time more in recurring that we would manage our bottom line in appropriately.

Speaker 1

Part of why we say that we see ARR and profit It's growing faster than revenue. We'll be monitoring that pretty closely.

Speaker 3

Very good. Thanks, guys.

Operator

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Greg Mezianoff with Westpark Capital. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Yes, thank you. Can you guys give a little bit of color on your current sales model in terms of direct versus third party distributors?

Speaker 2

Hey, good morning, Greg. Yes, on our solutions segment, we are primarily a direct distributor. So we're selling directly to the end user And making sure that the customer is aware of the solution, how to deploy it, how to get the ROI. In product and services, it's primarily indirect. Most of our opportunities are going with and through a channel partner.

Speaker 7

Right. And how has that ratio trended recently and how do you expect To go moving forward. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. It really is trending similar to what's done in the past and we expect that to continue. One of the opportunities certainly is on the channel side to bring them into some of our solutions and have them partake and embrace the solutions element, which we're seeing really good results because they've Again, done with select other companies as well. So but we think that the trend is likely to continue that we're through channel partners On the product and service side and direct on the solution side.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes the question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the call back to Ron Knezny for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you everyone for joining Digi's earnings call and for your continued support. For investors, we will be attending Stephens Annual Investment Conference, November 14th in Nashville. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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