Dillard's Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 9, 2023

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2023 Illumina Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Sallie Schwartz, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Speaker 1

Hello, everyone, and welcome to our earnings call for the Q3 of 2023. During the call today, we will review the financial results we released after the close of the market and offer commentary on our commercial and regulatory activity, after which we will host a question and answer session. Our earnings release can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at alumina.com. Participating for Illumina today will be Jacob Tyson, Chief Executive Officer and Joydeep Goswami, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Strategy and Corporate Development Officer. Jacob will provide an update on the state of Illumina's business and Jyadip will review our financial results, which include GRAIL.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, GRAIL must be held and operated separately and independently from Illumina pursuant to the transitional measures ordered by the European Commission, which prohibited our acquisition of Grail under the EU Merger Regulation. This call is being recorded and the audio portion will be archived in the Investors section of our website. It is our intent that all Forward looking statements regarding our financial results and commercial activity made during today's call will be protected under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual events or results may differ materially from those projected or discussed.

Speaker 1

All forward looking statements are based upon current available information and Illumina assumes no obligation to update these statements. To better understand the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, We refer you to the documents that Illumina files with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including Illumina's most recent Forms 10 Q and 10 ks. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jacob.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Sally. Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. As you know, I assumed the role as Illumina's CEO a little over 6 weeks ago. It is an honor to lead this company. I joined Illumina after more than a decade at Agilent, where I ran both the Diagnostic and Genomics Group and more recently, Agilent's largest business, The Life Science and Applied Markets Group.

Speaker 2

I have long admired Illumina for its role in building the genomics market, and I'm incredibly excited to be here. During my 1st weeks, I prioritized getting to know our employees and meeting with several of our customers. Illumina has a highly capable team, and I have been impressed with their level of passion and commitment to our work. Both our employees and our customers are driven to move Genomics forward. Like our team, I'm passionate about Genomics And the role that this field can play in healthcare and personalized medicine, particularly in the oncology space.

Speaker 2

This is a massive opportunity, and Illumina will remain the key player even as others enter the market. Illumina's infrastructure that we've built over 2.5 decades, our compelling offerings that sets the global standard And our deep commitment to innovation for the future will continue to drive the use of GeoMx and Multiomics around the world. Turning to our Q3 results. In Q3, Illumina delivered revenue of approximately $1,120,000,000 Flat year over year or up 1% on a constant currency basis. This was a disappointing result.

Speaker 2

The macroeconomic environment remains Challenging for our industry and for our customers, with customers increasingly cautious and constrained in their purchasing decisions. Despite a lower gross margin year over year, tight management of our operating expenses allowed us to deliver diluted non GAAP EPS of $0.33 also approximately flat year over year. While we cannot control external environment, Illumina's management team and I remain focused on supporting our customers and our own operational execution. Part of my comprehensive review of the business includes reexamining Our strategic initiatives and our targets for long term revenue growth and operating margins. We will lay out our new targets for you later next year.

Speaker 2

A key priority for me is to get clarity on the Grail situation. Therefore, I have requested and the Board has established a special committee to expedite decisions on Grail. Furthermore, we have retained advisers and are preparing for sale and capital markets transactions. We expect to file a Form 10 on a confidential basis with the SEC. Hereafter, we will contact third parties as investment capital sources All as potential purchases as our appeals are ongoing.

Speaker 2

I know there have been questions regarding our appeals. These appeals are not just about GRAIL. They provide Illumina with flexibility for any divestiture of GRAIL and also for future transactions. The appeals will not impact our ability to move swiftly. Make no mistake, I'm here to focus on the core business, which I will talk more about after Jyadip's remarks.

Speaker 2

Jyadip?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jacob. I'll start by reviewing our consolidated financial results, followed by segment results for core Illumina and GRAIL and then conclude with my remarks on our current outlook for 2023. I will be discussing non GAAP results, which include stock based compensation. I encourage you to review the GAAP reconciliation of these non GAAP measures, which can be found in today's release and in the supplementary data available on our website. As Jacob noted, In the Q3, consolidated revenue of $1,120,000,000 was flat year over year and up 1% on a constant currency basis.

Speaker 3

Consolidated revenue was down 5% from the Q2 of 2023. Although we correctly anticipated a Sequential decrease in high throughput consumables revenue due to the NovaSeq X transition, we placed Fewer NovaSeq X instruments than we expected in the quarter as customers' purchase constraints led to lengthened sales cycles. Non GAAP net income was $52,000,000 or $0.33 per diluted share, which included dilution from GRAIL's non GAAP operating loss of $155,000,000 for the quarter. Despite our lower revenue, non GAAP EPS exceeded our expectations, primarily due to continued execution of expense reduction initiatives and a higher gross margin than we forecast. GAAP net loss was $754,000,000 or $4.77 per diluted share, which included goodwill and intangible impairments of $821,000,000 related to the Grail segment.

Speaker 3

These impairments were primarily the result of a decrease in Illumina's consolidated market capitalization and a higher discount rate used for the fair value cancellation of the Rail segment. Our non GAAP tax rate was 39.7 percent for the quarter, which decreased from 43.2 percent in Q3 2022, with both quarters reflecting the impact of R and D capitalization requirements. The year over year decrease was primarily due to a decrease in the non GAAP tax expense impact of R and D capitalization requirements given increased amortization of capitalized R and D expenses. Our non GAAP weighted average diluted share count for the quarter was approximately $158,000,000 Moving to segment results. Core Illumina revenue of $1,110,000,000 was flat year over year on both a reported and constant currency basis and included anticipated reductions 7 percentage points from 2 primary categories.

Speaker 3

1, the decrease in COVID surveillance and the effect of sanctions in Russia that together represent approximately 3.5 percentage points and 2, The year over year reduction in China revenue that also is approximately 3.5 percentage points. COVID surveillance contributed approximately $4,000,000 in total revenue in Q3 2023 compared to $28,000,000 in Q3 20 20 Core Illumina sequencing consumables revenue of $695,000,000 was down 4% year over year. The decrease was primarily driven by a 12% decline in sales to research customers. These customers were impacted by the NovaSeq X transition and are reducing NovaSeq 6,000 consumables purchases before they have fully ramped up activity on NovaSeq X. Total sequencing consumables revenue was also impacted by the COVID, Russia and China factor as I noted previously, as well as the impact of macroeconomic conditions on customers purchasing power and project planning.

Speaker 3

Strength in sales to clinical customers partially offset Research with clinical sequencing consumables growing 10% year over year led by continued momentum in oncology and genetic disease testing. Turning to sequencing activity. Total sequencing gigabase output on our connected high and mid throughput instruments grew 5% from Q2 2023 and 29% year over year. We are As expected, these customers show higher overall growth in sequencing output than high throughput customers that have not yet adopted the NovaSeq X, both on a quarter over quarter and a year over year basis. As a reminder, we believe this data is a useful reference that shows the general activity trends across our installed base and is directionally correlated with revenue over time.

Speaker 3

Sequencing instruments revenue for Core Illumina of $179,000,000 grew 10% year over year, driven primarily by NovaSeq X, which more than offset the decline in NovaSeq 6,000 shipments. Growth in high throughput instruments was partially offset by the expected decline in mid throughput Due to increase in capital purchase and cash flow constraints that continue to impact our customers' purchasing behaviors globally, as well as by local competition in China. For NovaSeq X, we exited Q3 with more than 310 orders since launch. Our shipments of 97 NovaSeq X instruments in Q3 brought our total installed base to 2 73 instruments. Core Illumina sequencing service and other revenue of $142,000,000 was up 15% year over year, driven primarily by higher instrument service contract revenue on a growing installed base as well as an increase in lab services revenue.

Speaker 3

Moving to regional results for core Illumina. All regions continue to be impacted by 2 key issues: 1, tighter funding and budget pressures that are impacting customer purchasing power and project planning And 2, the impact of high throughput customers transitioning to NovaSeq X as customers continue to reduce NovaSeq 6,000 consumables purchases before they have fully ramped up activity on NovaSeq X. Americas revenue of $650,000,000 grew 10% year over year, Attributed to NovaSeq X placements as well as clinical testing volume driving greater consumables revenue, clinical sequencing consumable shipments grew more than 20% year over year. Europe revenue of $260,000,000 was flat year over year or up 1% on a constant currency basis. Growth in sequencing consumables was driven by mid teens growth in clinical and strength in mid throughput consumables, offset by the decline in COVID surveillance and the negative impact of exchange rates.

Speaker 3

For sequencing instruments, growth in high throughput due to NovaSeq X placements was more than offset by a decline in mid throughput instruments. Aimia revenue of $98,000,000 declined 22% year over year or 19% on a constant currency basis, which included an 11 percentage point impact from sanctions in Russia. The year over year decrease was also driven by softness in Japan due to the macroeconomic factors I mentioned earlier as well as the expected slowdown in COVID surveillance. Greater China revenue of $98,000,000 represented a 26% decrease year over year or 25% on a constant currency basis, reflecting continued macroeconomic and geopolitical challenges as well as local competition in mid throughput. Moving to the rest of core Illumina P and L.

Speaker 3

Core Illumina non GAAP gross margin of 66% decreased 2 90 basis points year over year, primarily driven by product mix and less fixed cost leverage on lower manufacturing volumes as well as lower instrument margins and higher field service and installation costs due to the NovaSeq X launch, which is typical in a launch year. Core Illumina non GAAP operating expenses of $481,000,000 were down $33,000,000 year over year and were lower than expected primarily due to continued expense reduction initiatives. As a result of these factors, core Illumina non GAAP operating margin was 22.5% in Q3 2023 compared to 22.6 percent in Q3 2022. Despite our lower gross margin, Operating margin was approximately flat year over year due to our proactive cost management initiatives. Transitioning to financial results for GRAIL.

Speaker 3

GRAIL revenue of $21,000,000 for the quarter grew 110% year over year, driven primarily by adoption of Galleri. Grail non GAAP operating expenses totaled $161,000,000 and increased $12,000,000 year over year driven primarily by efforts to scale Grail's commercial and R and D organizations. Moving to consolidated cash flow and balance sheet items. Cash flow provided by operations was $139,000,000 3rd quarter 2023 capital expenditures were $45,000,000 and free cash flow was $94,000,000 We did not repurchase any common stock in the quarter. We ended the quarter with approximately $933,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments.

Speaker 3

During the Q3 of 2023, the company used $750,000,000 in cash to repay the outstanding principal of convertible notes that matured in August 2023. Moving now to 2023 guidance. We now expect full year 2023 consolidated revenue to decline 2% to 3% from 2022, including Core Illumina revenue that is down 3% to 4% year over year. As a reminder, these ranges include anticipated reductions from COVID surveillance of approximately 200 basis points, the impact on our business from sanctions in Russia of approximately 100 basis points, reductions in our business in China as well as a year over year negative impact from foreign exchange rates. Rail revenue is now expected to be at the low end of the range of $90,000,000 to $110,000,000 for 2023.

Speaker 3

For fiscal 2023, we now expect core Illumina sequencing instrument revenue to decline 5% to 6% year over year, driven by capital and cash flow constraints that have continued to impact our customers' purchasing behaviors globally as well as the decline in our business in China. The decrease from our prior guidance is primarily driven by our lower NovaSeq ex Shipment expectations for 2023. We now expect to ship between 330 to 340 NovaSeq X instruments for the year as customers purchasing constraints lead to lengthened sales cycles. We also now expect core Illumina sequencing As customers transition to NovaSeq X, the impact of macroeconomic conditions on customer project planning and budgets, The effect of sanctions in Russia, the slowdown in COVID surveillance and the decline in our business in China. The decrease from our prior guidance primarily reflects a slower ramp in NovaSeq ex consumables, in part due to our lower placement expectations as well as the increasing impacts of macroeconomic constraints.

Speaker 3

We now expect core Illumina total sequencing revenue to decline 3% to 4% year over This continues to include intercompany sales to GRAIL of approximately $30,000,000 which are eliminated in consolidation. We now expect consolidated non GAAP operating margin of 4% to 4.5% and core Illumina non GAAP operating margin of 19% to 19 0.5%. Our revised operating margins reflect our lower revenue expectations for the year, partially offset by continued expense reduction initiatives. We now expect our non GAAP tax rate to be approximately 39% for 2023 due to discrete tax benefit recognized in Q3 2023 related to prior year return adjustments. Lastly, we now expect non GAAP earnings per diluted share in the range of $0.60 to $0.70 for 2023, reflecting non GAAP diluted shares outstanding of approximately 159,000,000 shares.

Speaker 3

Dilution from GRAIL's non GAAP operating loss is now expected to be approximately $660,000,000 as GRAIL continues to manage its expense base in line of its latest revenue outlook. I will now turn it back over to Jacob for his closing remarks. Thank you. Before we go to Q

Speaker 2

and A, I wanted to reiterate Illumina's commitment to supporting our customers in this difficult macroeconomic environment. While we cannot control for external factors, we can optimize our own actions to successfully navigate through this period and position the company for a return to accelerated growth on the other side. I know you're interested to hear our views for 2024. With the caveat that we haven't finished 2023, we're still looking at our budget for 2024. Our initial views is that 2024 results We'll look very similar to 2023.

Speaker 2

We don't expect near term improvement to the macroeconomic environment and geopolitical issues have been persistent. We are encouraged with the early signs we're seeing for NovaSeq X utilization and the continued rollout of the X position us very well For the ramp in consumables and overall growth when the market conditions improve. This is clearly a dynamic situation, and we want to be able to develop our views in-depth. Therefore, for 2024, we will not provide guidance before our Q4 earnings call in February. The main reason that I joined Illumina was my strong conviction about the future of the core Illumina business.

Speaker 2

While over the coming months, I'll continue to listen and learn, I would also be focused on several key priorities. First, we need to drive our top line as much as possible in this environment. This means continuous placements of the NovaSeq X And all of our instruments, laying the groundwork for increased consumables demand. We continue working closely with our customers around the world, Whether they are integrating new instruments into their workflows, starting new projects or building new tests or assays. 2nd, we need to keep driving innovation that is highly focused on our customers' priorities.

Speaker 2

These innovations Include automation and sample to answer solutions, serve to strengthen our leadership position around the world. At the same time, we need to manage our R and D investments with discipline and rigor. We most recently launched our 25B rating kit. This was highly anticipated by our customers and it will unleash the full power of the NovaSeq X. 3rd, We need to focus our own operational excellence across geographies, functions and processes.

Speaker 2

Earlier this year, we announced a Plan to reduce our annualized run rate expenses. Our team has executed well and has been able to reduce annualized run rate expenses by approximately $175,000,000 ahead of our original projection of more than $100,000,000 These savings will continue to support flexibility and further investment in high growth areas and our margins. I'm committed to executing against all of these priorities with a strong sense of urgency. We are focused on delivering tangible improvements that support Profitable long term growth from Illumina and for our shareholders. I will now invite the operator to open for the line of Q and A.

Operator

Thank And our first question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. And Jacob, welcome to Illumina. My maybe one question is on Drell, maybe a 2 parter here. I think the EC So order asked for 2.5 years of cash out there.

Speaker 4

What does that mean given credit card and OpEx Is that $1,750,000,000 of cash out there? And I think relates to that, I saw you announced a special committee. Who is on the special committee? What is the focus for this committee? Is there any more details?

Speaker 4

And it sounded something different. Just want to understand what is different, what is changed?

Speaker 2

Yes. Vijay, thank you very much. And I'm really excited be here at Illumina. And let me start with your second question and then I'll have Joydeep step in there also on talking about the What those 2.5 years means. But as I discussed here, coming into the company, I felt it was very important to get clarity on GRAIL.

Speaker 2

And it was very important for me to have the support for the Board and to make swift decisions to move forward. And thereby, We started a special committee with 3 of the board members including and then besides me that is the chairing of that committee. So I have 3 board members and Trust me that we'll work with the management team and to really walk through all the elements around the divestiture order to make sure we can make some fast decisions. We need to make decisions, which path we're going to follow. Is it going to be a trade sale, the spin, the split with or without a sponsor?

Speaker 2

And of course, there's a lot of considerations related to that. That's really what the special committee is helping me and the rest of the management team to do. Jadeep?

Speaker 3

Yes, Vijay. So on the two and a half years of cash support to GRAIL, We're still working with the European Commission on exactly what that means in terms of a numerical number. So I'm not at liberty to Disclose those details. We will come back with that once we have alignment. But I think as Jacob alluded to, right, This is not something that we have to provide all on our own, right?

Speaker 3

We have several options now that we have worked with the EC to Come up with a or to have a divestiture order that is in line with our expectations of flexibility To use even in the case of a spin or a split decision, we can get in a sponsor that can support all or a part of The requirement for the 2.5 years of cash support or we can go to the markets and raise that money as well, right? So stay tuned on that one.

Operator

And our next question will come from Dan Brennan with TD Cowen.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks. Thanks for taking the questions here, Jacob. Welcome. Maybe just I'll ask one, obviously, it's all we have, but maybe a couple of quarter. So maybe Jacob, obviously, you left a great job at Agilent before coming here and certainly will be interested to get Your view on the growth rate and outlook for Illumina when you're ready to give that.

Speaker 5

But it'd be interesting to get your view on kind of the overall NGS market and taking a job like thoughts on What type of growth characteristics you think are reasonable in that market? Because given the price cuts, there's a lot of question on demand elasticity. So I guess first one is on the NGS overall market, if you had a view there. And then B, I just had a question on the X specifically. I understand, obviously, there's a lowering the placement number given customer constraints, but can you give any color on the orders or the backlog that you have as of right now.

Speaker 5

And then the final part would just be on guidance. Illumina has had a series of kind of guidance reductions. A lot of peers are facing the same issue, but You guys have had a more elongated period of this. I'm just wondering kind of what changes can be made in order to hopefully better set guidance so that The risk of these reductions is eliminated going forward. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dan. And I think I would have Jodi Boss Jumping in on some of those elements here. But let me just start by coming here into Illumina. And my observation, both from when I was outside Illumina but also coming in, I think that the core business has a tremendous opportunity. I think there's a lot of opportunities in the NDS markets.

Speaker 2

And I think we are definitely through a top period right now. I think the whole life science tools industry is seeing it. And certainly, here at Illumina, we're not immune for that. But the growth rates, even though I will spend time here over the next period I'm still learning the business and really understand the organization. So at this point of time, I don't have a final opinion about What I think is the right growth rate for the business and what we're committing to.

Speaker 2

But I will certainly come back later in 2024 and share all of that with you when I'm ready for it. But in the meantime, I think that the overall market is very healthy and there will be a lot of growth opportunities for Illumina going forward. And I can then say that my some of the findings coming into the company and really digging deep into our innovation engine And what our roadmaps look like. I'm very excited for the future of this company. I think we will continue to pioneer in this area.

Speaker 2

So I think on guidance and Jardeep joined in here also, but in the end, we wanted to make sure Let me signal also from especially 2024 here that at this point, we want to be prudent in how we set our it's not a guidance yet, but at least how we view 2024 As we simply don't see any change, short term change in the economical environment, and therefore we felt it was important for to go out now and then share our observations. But Jadeep, do you want to?

Speaker 3

No, I think Jacob that's right. On the guidance piece, look, we made a commitment To come back to you with any read on the macroeconomics we see and I think we've held up to that commitment. In fact, We may have been a little bit, a canary in the coal mine signaling some of this earlier to you, especially this year than others, right? One of the things, of course, you did bring up was the elongated sort of lack of growth or the reduced growth that we have had. That is true.

Speaker 3

I think part of what hit us at the same time is the macroeconomic slowdown is the transition Major transition on our platform, which has hit us as customers move from the 6,000 To the X, but there's a gap between when they burn down some of their inventory on the X and then wait to fully ramp up On the X. So you will see that balance out over time. We don't have any doubts on that. And then On the X, I want to reemphasize and I think you will have seen this from your channel checks as well. Demand and interest in the innovation and the Capabilities that the X brings remain strong.

Speaker 3

I think we are very excited about the launch of the 25B and I think those of you who attended ASHE would have seen our customers' Interest in that and the data that's coming out of the AUTO 25B and the improvements that we continue to make on the software Really resonate with our customers. So we remain very interested in that.

Operator

And our next question will come from Puneet Souda with Leerink Partners.

Speaker 6

Yes. Hi, Jacob. Good to have you on board here. So If I could ask sort of 2 part question. Just with the 25B launch, Can you talk a little bit about how and maybe Joydeep can chime in and talk about how The transformation is going to be sort of over the next couple of months.

Speaker 6

You obviously get a price uptick with the 25B, but not all Customers are going to be able to essentially fill up that flow cell. So there is going to be a bit of an ebb and flow. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about that at least qualitatively in the near term. And then a bigger competition question. Jacob, you've seen the LCMS business and other businesses in China.

Speaker 6

What do you imagine for China for Illumina with One of the bigger competitors over there, how do you see Illumina's position in China longer term? And if I may just ask again on competition, one of your diagnostic customers, NIPT and MRD customer pointed out that they're validating different platforms. So Again, what's your view on competition? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, Puneet. And again, I'm very pleased to be here. Let me Start with the China question. You're right, I have certainly some experience of running businesses in China, very familiar with the The China itself and how to operate businesses there. So what is, of course, more unique For Illumina then some of our some of the other life science tools companies is that Illumina has A Chinese competitor that have at least good enough sequencing capabilities here.

Speaker 2

But China continues to be an extremely important Country for us and we are right now working through and in China for China strategy to really We're much better positioned in China going forward and we are committing to China and I think we can actually do really well in China. Many of our customers in China prefers to Work with Illumina for what we stand for both quality, but also that we are the number one brand out there. So We will continue to be very strong in China. Generally speaking on competition, yes, you're right. I mean, there are competition out there.

Speaker 2

As you also know, I'm very familiar with being in a very competitive environment. And I think that with What Illumina has, which I think will serve us extremely well is that we have a very strong brand. We have a very strong installed base. Almost all papers coming out is based on our technology. And also, of course, what I see internally with the road map we have for the Pipeline of new products coming out, our innovation capabilities will continue to position us very extremely competitive in this environment.

Speaker 2

But of course, I understand and I'm fully aware that we will be in a very competitive situation forward. And in the end, I think that just keeps us really Focused on our customers and we'll do our best for our customers. So I'm here, I'm ready to fight for it.

Speaker 3

Yes, maybe I'll tag on there. Let me start with the competition. We obviously, as Jacob said, take it seriously, but also monitor it Very carefully across the globe through what we're seeing out in the field. So I will say outside of China, we Have seen the competition and share have been what we had expected, right? Obviously, with new market entrants, you will see a little bit of Okay.

Speaker 3

Decline in share, but it has been outside of China very much according to expectations. On the 25b, Puneet, so let me start by saying, what we have seen and this is early indicators that when we Look at sequencing activity growth, we measured it by gigabase. We are seeing that customers who have adopted DX have seen a faster growth rate in Output and sequencing output and customers who have not adopted the X, right? So this is an encouraging sign that X is actually spurring more sequencing activity at these customers. And again, it's still very early days.

Speaker 3

They're ramping up. They're validating fully on their particular workflows. With 25B, I think you're right. It will spur even more capacity and experiments. We've heard customers that want to run Very large single cell experiments, for example, be very excited about this 25b and the capabilities that it brings.

Speaker 3

So we expect that to play out. I think When you get into dynamics of whether you're running full flow cells or not, there is a very complex interaction of things that will lead to Higher prices per gigabase until you fully load your flow cells. So we can get into that offline, but we do expect those dynamics to be very similar to what you saw When you brought on Novusik 6000 and some of the other S44 cells, etcetera.

Speaker 2

But I think also, Jadeep, on just to finish on the opportunity that we Seeing at least the customers that I've met here in the also in the clinical space are very excited with the new flow cell as This opens up for new assays, new products offering that they haven't had before. So while it will take them a little while, of course, to validate and get up and running, We see many of them right now rushing to be first to market with this.

Operator

And our next question will come from Dan Arias with Stifel.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi, guys. Thanks for the question here. Jacob, just a follow-up on the special committee that will look at GRAIL. What's the general timeline that they're expected to be on with respect to reaching a decision?

Speaker 5

And then can you update us on when the GRAIL team is expecting to see a readout for the NHS GALLERY study at this point? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I can tell you that we are working as quickly as we can under the framework To look at the options here and I can tell you the I'm as frustrated as all of you and I look forward to get this behind us. So we are looking on very Working on very tight time lines. At this point, I don't want to commit to anything because I want to make sure that I can deliver on my commitments on any time line here. So by the way, I also want to share with you that this morning we got feedback from the ECJ that they have now put in a date for the hearing, oral hearing, This would be mid December.

Speaker 2

So it's good news in the way that things now are moving forward. And just on that, That the appeals are important to us, obviously, for the reason of GRAIL, but probably as important for ensuring that we have the flexibility for Future transactions that we will look into. So and obviously also we can get rid of the fine and so on. So that's why the appeals continues to be important.

Speaker 3

NHS GRAYL readout timing, I think that's as GRAYL had stated before, that's The final expectation on that is some point in 2024 and they will have a early readout as well, preliminary readout before that.

Operator

And we have a question from Michael Ryskin with Bank of America.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks for taking the question and welcome aboard. I guess I want to follow-up on the earlier question about sort of Underlying demand in the market and what gives you confidence in some of the longer term view. And I guess I'll phrase it in terms of your update to the guide here In the Q3, I mean, you're citing some of the same macro headwinds that others are in terms of what's going on in China, in terms of broader Funding concerns and budget tightness. And you're saying that that's sort of weighing on consumables purchases.

Speaker 7

But at the same time, you're not getting the switch over to the Nova X because if you're looking At the order book, the orders have barely grown between 2Q and 3Q. You went from 260 to 310. So orders were up 50 units in the quarter and you placed 97. So it's not like there's a ton of demand growing for Nova X and yet The Nova 6000 consumable seems to be really slowing. So I'm just trying to reconcile that.

Speaker 7

I mean, if people aren't sequencing on the Nova 6000 because they're Gearing up for the NovaX and you would always see those orders grow. So how can you confidently state that Some of this is that transition between instruments and not just less underlying demand in the market.

Speaker 2

Yes. So let me just start again address that the that we do see the demand in the market space. We also Mentioned this overall that we see more gigabase growth rates. So we see definitely there's a lot of activities out there. And again, there's no doubt that the long term perspective in this market is very healthy.

Speaker 2

I think what you're seeing is that we're running through And a very challenging environment that everybody else is seeing. And I think everybody also last year when they were Providing guidance, they were probably optimistic that things will swing back in the second half and everybody got surprised or at least that it didn't. So therefore, We are right now a little more prudent in how we look out in the future. So I think that's one element to it. But if you look into the specifics, I think Jadeep can Vital more insights.

Speaker 3

Yes. So I think the there's a couple of things when we look at why is it Further the slowdown is further impacted by the transition, right? So definitely, Michael, there is an element of the overall macro slowdown. But two things I will tell you about the transition, right. So we look very carefully at high throughput Customers that have purchased the X versus those that have not purchased an X.

Speaker 3

And we see definitely that The 6 ks consumables slowdown is much more pronounced to these customers that have bought DX, right? So that gives us a very good controlled mechanism of Isolating the impact of transition versus the broader macroeconomic trends. And again, realize that They're still ramping up with the X and the 25B really for many of these customers that are early adopters. They're really the higher Users, the higher output users for the NovaSeq So you will see that transition coming, the ramp up on the ex consumables coming, especially after the launch of The 25B, but it will take them a few months to get up to full capacity once they've validated their workflows.

Operator

And our next question comes from Tejas Sivant with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Hey, guys. Good evening and Jacob, welcome to Illumina. I had a couple of questions for you here. Starting on the Grail side of things, looks like You're expecting this ECJ decision in mid-twenty 24. So can you just walk us through the implications of that In terms of what the committee can really do ahead of that timeframe, and then beyond the ongoing sort of court cases and figuring out if then and how to divest this Asset, how are you thinking about monetizing the data value that's embedded within GRAIL?

Speaker 8

Is that an active discussion that's being had at the Board level within this committee as well? And the final part of my question really is a broader one on core Illumina. Where are you in terms of the key leadership roles? Are those do you feel like you have a settled team yet? Or could we see some sort of significant changes in the months ahead?

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So let me start by addressing the grain situation. And I think I mentioned before, and that's why I put the committee in place or best committee in place is That we have the European divestiture order. And obviously, while we still run the appeals, we will do everything within the framework to Move as quickly as possible. And so I also mentioned in my remarks is that as soon as we have filed the Form 10, we will go out there and start to talk to Potential acquirer and so on.

Speaker 2

So, are also looking for the spin and so on. So, we are moving as quick as we can within that Framework. And we will move yes, again, we will move as much as we can here. So that's really nothing that holds us back from The appeals really runs in parallel, so there's nothing that prevents us from moving as quick as we can within that. So I think that's on that, if you look at the monetization of GRAIL, I don't know, Jody, do you have any thinking about that?

Speaker 3

I think mostly it's you're talking about GRAIL data here. So this is one of the options that obviously the committee will And we will consider as a team, but it also really depends on the divestiture option that's chosen and What we agreed going back and forth with the European Commission here. So it is one of the things That is absolutely in consideration of various options that Jacob mentioned that the committee is going to bring on.

Speaker 2

Yes. And then the last question, I think, was from the leadership team, and I will put it more broadly saying that I will be performing a comprehensive business review over the It's a period of time. As again, I've been here 40 days, and I'm really impressed with the team and the talented people we have in the organization. But I will, of course, keep you updated on what my thinking is while we move forward here in 2024.

Operator

And we have a question from Dan Leonard with UBS.

Speaker 9

Thank you and hello, Jacob. Hello. Now that you're sort of transitioning to maybe a bit more of a Hand to mouth demand cycle for the X given that you don't have much backlog left. I was hoping you could elaborate, what the Pipeline looks like any metrics you could offer. And is it possible you could quantify how much is the sales cycle lengthening?

Speaker 9

Is it double what it used to be? Is it Some different multiple, just anything you could help us contextualize that?

Speaker 2

I think, Dan, again, I would like to invite Jardeep in to Quite a little more insights on where we are. But I can say, generally speaking, the sales cycle is extended Quite a lot from what we used to, not only because it takes time to make the decision, but also to get it through all the levels that there's much more scrutiny on all levels In the decision making and we've seen that. I mean we see that in Illumina, but I think that's a general thing that is happening in industry right now. But Jyadip, you want to

Speaker 3

I just want to corroborate, Jacob, what you said, right? We see strong interest still in the X and obviously with the launch of the 25D that has And the pipeline continues to have hundreds of opportunities there, right. So we're not suffering Decline in the pipeline, we continue to add opportunities to the pipeline. What has been because of the macroeconomic situation A little bit more challenging for us is converting those that pipeline into orders as quickly as we had Imagine, right? So that is the lengthening of the sales cycle that you talked about.

Speaker 3

And we expect that that will continue For us and for others for a little bit of time into the future here, right, till macroeconomic conditions return. But There's no doubt that they are not it's not the demand is shifting to some other technology or some other instrument. It is still very much centered on the X and we still Continue to have conversations with our customers to get them there. And once they have bought it, to really ramp them up And get them ramped up as quickly as possible so that they can pull through the consumables as quickly as possible.

Speaker 2

Yes. And again, I mean, as Jardim was saying, we have a healthy pipeline. And just as an evidence that this is moving, we just Here over the last few days, we received 10 order or 10 pieces or was it 10 instrument order on our X, so From one of our biggest customers. So we are we're definitely seeing that there's really customers really like The X and can really see that it can be utilized very nicely.

Speaker 3

Jacob, that's a good point. That's a fleet expansion order. So they have had experience with the X and they are doubling down, right, so.

Operator

And we have a question from Sung Ji Nam with Scotiabank.

Speaker 10

Hi, thanks for taking the questions and welcome to Jacob. Just a quick one on GRAIL. Kind of what's the key driver of the

Speaker 3

I can handle this. Yes. So again, it's mostly two things. So they did have this particular year some Challenges with their PDX revenue, this is the pharma services revenue. And then gallery sales are while they're growing nicely have been Lower than their initial expectations, right.

Speaker 3

So both those have impacted it.

Speaker 2

But still a healthy growth.

Speaker 3

So very healthy. We're seeing that at 100% ish.

Operator

And our next question comes from Kyle Nixon with Canaccord.

Speaker 11

Hey, thanks. Welcome, Jacob. Two part question. First on Goodwill, second on core. On the Goodwill funding in conjunction with the divestiture, if it is a capital market Transaction company is going to need 2.5 years of cash.

Speaker 11

I think that was touched on earlier. You could provide that via equity raise or debt issuance. Could you just walk through what your exact options are to produce that capital if you don't do a Accurate offering. And then on the core business, you guys mentioned the initial view on 2024 is that it will look similar to 2023. Does that mean that revenue is going to be flat year over year for the 3rd year in a row?

Speaker 11

And then maybe you could just comment on orders and placements for next year, like could placements grow in 2024? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So let me start by the second question here. And again, we will come out with a full guidance in our Q4 2023 call in February. But I'm just sharing you with the initial view we have on 2024 right now. And due to the macroeconomic environment, we want to and we don't see that change right now.

Speaker 2

If it changes during 2024, obviously, we will see more momentum in the business. But I felt it was important to share with all of you right now on how we see the year. There are more details behind it, but we're still working through the rest of this year and we're still finalizing the 2,000 and of course, 2024 budget also. So It's too early for me to share details about the detail here. But what I can tell you, as we said before, is that we still have a strong pipeline on X Particularly and we expect and we're just seeing that the sales cycle is taking longer than we expected.

Speaker 2

But you should actually see that the consumables is starting to pick up in 2024 also.

Speaker 3

Yes. And on the GRAIL, I think I've mentioned this earlier. Look, there are several options now on the table that We could help pay for or Yes, pay for the 2.5 years of funding requirements, right. So for example, if you went for a spin, there are options around the sponsored And where a sponsor could put in a fair chunk of the money or fair all of some or all of the money that is required for that funding. The other one, which is more of a capital markets transaction, which is more of a split kind of option, where you could go and raise Money in capital markets for GRAIL and IPO market for GRAIL.

Speaker 3

So we're looking through and working through those various options. They're of course dependent on Specific market conditions and interest in Grail from private placement. So we'll keep you posted on that as we go out

Operator

And we'll take a question from Catherine Schulte with Baird.

Speaker 10

Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions and welcome, Jacob. I guess just on your comments on 24, when you say results might look similar to 2023, in that case, I guess, how do you view core Illumina op margins? Would those also look Similar to 2023 or given some of the cost reductions that you guys have talked about, do you think there's room for improvement there?

Speaker 2

Yes, thanks for that. So I think right now that Illumina have a wonderful model actually. I think we have really strong operating gross margin. So Obviously, with growth, we can really fuel that to the bottom also. But in a flat environment and with, of course, We are seeing that more challenging.

Speaker 2

So right now, we are expecting to be flat both on top line and on the bottom line.

Speaker 3

Yes. And I think you're right. We do expect to see an improvement in gross margins next year, obviously, with more Exumerables mix in there. Of the cost reductions that we have made this year, I just want to remind you that some of that A substantial portion of that has already been recognized this year. So they won't be incremental to next year as we go through.

Speaker 3

And then offsetting those two positives is we do expect that the variable compensation Sort of rationalization and year on year Comp on that will be will eat away into that goodness that you've had and coupled with merit increases and inflation, Right. So and again, we did not pay executives the stock based compensation and Variable compensation this year as our performance has not been up to par. So we do expect that that will come back into next year as we correct some of that.

Speaker 2

But I think on that, I think I'm at Everything I see here, as I mentioned, also the gross margins are strong in the company, but there's a lot we can do to continue to improve that. So I don't see anything that is for me at least coming in here, see there's any difference in the thesis about Illumina going back to what has been historically, historically margins, and we will work on that. I think historically, we have been the logic has been this will come through growth. And clearly, we need growth To drive some of that, but we were also really focused on operational excellence C2 to build that going forward.

Operator

And our next question comes from Connor McNamara with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 10

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question and Jacob, welcome to San Diego.

Operator

Just if I look at kind

Speaker 10

of what you've said about 2024 from pre pandemic levels from 2019 to 2024 that would imply An annual growth rate on the core business of about 5%, which is roughly in line with the overall life science tools market, despite the fact that you guys have So if I'm an investor looking at Illumina, should I think of this as And EBIT margin expansion story from here where you bring R and D down in line with peers? Or do you think that you guys can drive a return to growth above historic life science Tools, growth levels.

Speaker 2

Yes. That I mean, again, I want to be careful on coming with too many comments right now. I'm 40 days into my work It's my job here, but I think I still believe that Illumina has a better growth opportunity than many of the other Life Science Tools company. And I will come back and give you more insights when I'm ready for it later in 2024. But I don't think that Illumina is in a place where It's in the level of many of the other companies right now, but it's too early for me to give you a clear guidance.

Speaker 2

But yes, so wait and see.

Operator

And our next question will come from Rachel Van Stel with JPMorgan.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking the questions and welcome to Illumina, Jacob. So first up, I just wanted to ask on core Illumina margins, Follow-up on some of the earlier questions. Specifically, it looks like that implied 4Q margin stepped down for core Illumina, but also given the lower placement number, your mix should be more Towards consumables and typical in 4Q. So is there anything else that we should look at from a one time perspective or anything else on the puts and takes on that margin implied for

Speaker 2

Jadeep, you want to take that?

Speaker 3

Yes. So Rachel, a couple of things, right? So we you will see margins and operating margins We are seeing a step down in revenue from Q3 into Q4. So that's one element of that. The second element is gross margins are impacted for Several reasons, right.

Speaker 3

One that we do see every time you see a reduction in volume, you have less absorption of fixed costs. So you have that flowing into it. The second piece is around, yes, we are seeing some shift from instruments into consumables, but we are seeing a Reduction because of the transition effects of NovaSeq 6,000 consumables, which are highly profitable. And so you're seeing a little bit of margin Gross margin declined because of that. And then the third is we have some components of strategic deal revenue that we have coming in Q4 versus Q3 and that is also pulling down our gross margin.

Speaker 3

So those three components are really what are impacting The gross margin component and then the operating margin side, I think we obviously are getting some of the benefits of the cost action that we saw, but we did have some movement of R and D specific timing investments that moved from Q3 into So that is taking down our taking up our Q4 operating expense a little bit compared to what we had in Q3.

Operator

Thank you. And that does conclude our question and answer session. I will now hand the call back over to Jacob Tyson for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, everyone. As we finish the year and move into 2024, I want to reiterate the great foundation that we have here, both

Speaker 3

in the infrastructure that we

Speaker 2

have built And in the significant markets that we serve, it is clear to me that there is a tremendous opportunity to create value for our customers and our partners worldwide and of course for our shareholders. Thank you again. We're looking forward to see you at upcoming conferences and other events. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. We do thank you for your participation. Have an excellent day.

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