IPG Photonics Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 14, 2023
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Operator

Good morning and welcome to IPG Photonics' Fourth Quarter 2022 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and webcast.

At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Eugene Fedotoff, IPG's Director of Investor Relations for introductions. Please go ahead, sir.

Eugene Fedotoff
Director of Investor Relations at IPG Photonics

Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everyone. With me today is IPG Photonics CEO, Dr. Eugene Scherbakov; and Senior Vice President and CFO, Tim Mammen. Let me remind you that statements made during the course of this call that discuss management's or the company's intentions, expectations or predictions of the future are forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements.

These risks and uncertainties are detailed in IPG Photonics' Form 10-K for the period ended December 31, 2022, and our reports on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Copies of these filings may be obtained by visiting the Investors section of IPG's website or by contacting the company directly. You may also find copies on the SEC's website. Any forward-looking statements made on this call are the company's expectations or predictions as of today, February 14, 2023, only.

The company assumes no obligation to publicly release any updates or revisions to any such statements. For additional details on our reported results, please refer to the earnings press release, earnings call presentation and the Excel-based financial data were posted on our Investor Relations website. We will post these prepared remarks on the Investor Relations website following the completion of this call.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Eugene Scherbakov.

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

Good morning everyone. I am pleased to report that we continued to see strong momentum in our focus areas such as e-mobility, welding and medical in the fourth quarter and finished the year with revenue above our guidance range, despite a challenging operating environment and currency headwinds. Our strategy to diversify revenue as evidenced by the performance of emerging growth products and applications is paying off. As we moved through the year, we continued to see record sales in e-mobility, medical and welding, including handheld welding applications.

Our team has done an outstanding job diversifying the business and finding growth opportunities. Emerging growth product sales were 46% of our total revenue in the fourth quarter. Demand for many of these products was driven by global investments in e-mobility and renewable energy. IPG is well-positioned to benefit from accelerating global EV battery capacity expansion and our EV sales contributed close to 20% of total revenue in 2022, up from around 10% a year earlier. We believe that the battery capacity build-out will accelerate in North America and Europe and will continue to increase in China in the next several years to support growing EV sales.

More recently, customers shifted investments into the U.S. to take advantage of government incentives, which drove higher levels of activity in the region. Our leading position in fiber lasers with a broad range of solutions including welding, cutting, cleaning and process monitoring has allowed us to capture the growth in these markets. We have recently introduced high wall plug efficiency laser drying solutions for use in battery foil manufacturing, the largest CO2 producing process step of battery manufacturing. The solution replaces less efficient infrared bulbs and environmentally unfriendly gas-fired furnaces. It can significantly reduce energy costs and increase drying speeds for our customers.

We are particularly pleased with our growth in welding applications in the fourth quarter. Welding now accounting for over 30% of our materials processing revenue and grew approximately 40% year-over-year, surpassing in size flat-sheet cutting revenue, a milestone for us. This growth was driven by strong demand for our welding solutions in e-mobility and medical device welding, continued adoption of laser welding in general industrial markets, growth in laser-based systems and a roll-out of LightWELD. EV battery manufacturers have quickly adopted laser welding as it provides high-quality and high-speed welding with real-time process monitoring capabilities.

The rest of the $20 billion welding market is still early in the adoption of laser technologies, but we are starting to see a more meaningful shift towards acceptance of lasers and believe that this will continue. A large portion of the welding market is using traditional manual welding, primarily with MIG or TIG devices. Traditional welding is very limited in types of materials it can join and requires highly skilled welders to do the job. LightWELD addresses many of these challenges with an ability to join a broad range of materials, including some hard-to-weld metals such as aluminum alloys, copper, titanium and thin foils.

LightWELD can also increase welding speeds by up to 4 times and does not require extensive training. According to American Welding Society, there is a deficit of 375,000 welders. LightWELD is easy to use and comes with presets for different types of materials which can result in faster training for unskilled welders required to fill the employment gap. We are working with a number of training schools to increase awareness and adoption of laser welding. We also continue to build our LightWELD organization and have established distribution partners to support international sales, which should drive growth of our LightWELD sales in 2023.

Our laser cleaning solutions have been gaining traction and we have a strong backlog of customer orders for new systems that are providing fully automated cleaning and can significantly reduce time and use of harmful materials for surface preparation as well as rust and paint removal. This process typically uses harmful chemicals such as acids or solvents that are being banned around the world. Our lasers can do surface preparation quicker and with less harm to the environment. Finally, our medical business delivered record revenue in the fourth quarter, finishing a very strong year on a high note.

Full year revenue grew over 60% in medical, driven by higher adoption for our thulium laser used primarily in urology applications. Our consumable fiber business now accounts for a sizable portion of the revenue and we expect it to increase further as we grow the installed base of the devices. We continue to expand medical sales internationally and we are working on the next generation of these devices as well as new medical applications for our fiber lasers. While 2022 was a challenging year for IPG, we successfully navigated the choppy waters.

We faced continued soft demand in high power cutting in China, currency headwinds due to a strong U.S. dollar, supply chain disruptions as well as restrictions on shipments of components from our manufacturing facility in Russia. IPG's performance in 2022 is a tribute to the dedicated team of employees and partners throughout the world and their efforts overcoming supply chain constraints and a complex regulatory environment to deliver products to our customers.

And while there is still uncertainty in the operating environment with fears of a slowdown in North America and further weakness in Europe, we believe that IPG is well positioned to benefit from investments in e-mobility, renewable energy and automation. This is reflected in our record backlog which gives us reason to be optimistic for the year.

We are hopeful to see a recovery in the demand in China this year as COVID-related restrictions are being relaxed. We believe customers are choosing our lasers and systems because they save customers' energy and are more sustainable solutions with less environmental impact than competing processes and technologies.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim to discuss financial highlights in the quarter

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Thank you, Eugene, and good morning, everyone. My comments generally will follow the earnings call presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website. I will start with the financial review on slide 4. Revenue in the fourth quarter was $334 million, down 8% year-over-year due to foreign currency headwinds, which accounted for approximately 7% of the decline. Our divestiture of noncore telecom product lines negatively impacted revenue growth by approximately 2%. We also saw lower sales in general industrial applications in China and Europe, which were nearly offset by strength in emerging growth products.

Revenue from materials processing applications decreased 6% year-over-year, and revenue from other applications decreased 23%, with strength in medical offset by weaker advanced application sales and the telecom divestiture. During the quarter, we conducted a review of our Russian operations and recognized significant charges related to inventory, long-lived asset impairments and restructuring. These charges are a result of the lower level of activity we expect given the increasing limitation of sanctions. GAAP gross margin was 18.2%, a decrease of 2,730 basis points year-over-year due to $74 million inventory write-downs and other charges related to our Russian operations.

Excluding these inventory-related charges, gross margin was approximately 40%. We provide adjusted results in the appendix on slide 11 of the presentation. Please note that adjusted results are non-GAAP items and while we believe they may be meaningful, these results should not be considered a substitute for GAAP measures. Gross margin was also negatively impacted by higher inventory provisions in the rest of the world, the strong dollar, scrap, shipping costs and import duties. These were partially offset by increased absorption of manufacturing costs in the quarter as we continue to build our inventories of safety stock.

We are working to offset the impact of changes in the supply chain and manufacturing footprint on our gross margins by investing in automation and investing in locations with lower costs in Germany and the U.S., such as Poland or Italy. We remain committed to our long-term gross margin target of 45% to 50%. Additionally, both revenue and gross margin were impacted by currency translation headwinds. If exchange rates relative to the U.S. dollar had been the same as one year ago, we would have expected revenue to be $25 million higher and gross profit to be $16 million higher.

Foreign currency transaction gains related to remeasuring foreign currency assets and liabilities to period-end exchange rates benefited operating expenses by $7 million or $0.12 per diluted share. GAAP operating loss was $88 million, and operating margin was a negative 26.5%. The net loss in the quarter was $93 million or $1.91 per diluted share. As mentioned above, we had a number of unusual items impacting our operating income and earnings per share in the quarter. There is a $74 million or $1.21 per diluted share impact from inventory-related charges, $79 million or $1.30 share impact from impairment of long-lived assets in Russia and other restructuring charges of $10 million or $0.16 per diluted share.

There was also a gain on sale of our corporate aircraft of $10 million or $0.16 per diluted share. Excluding these special items and the discrete tax impact of these items, adjusted diluted EPS was $1.08. Moving to slide 5; sales of high-power CW lasers decreased 13% and represented approximately 39% of total revenue. Sales of ultra-high power lasers above 6 kilowatts represented 47% of total high-power CW laser sales. The decline was primarily due to lower demand in cutting applications in China and Europe, which was only partially offset by growth in welding applications across most major geographies.

Pulsed laser sales decreased 9% year-over-year as a result of lower demand in cutting and marking applications, partially offset by strong sales into solar cell manufacturing. System sales increased 19% year-over-year, driven by growth in laser systems and higher sales of LightWELD. Medium power laser sales decreased 37%, while QCW laser sales were down 20% -- 21% year-over-year, negatively impacted by lower sales to consumer electronics and general industrial applications. Other product sales were nearly flat as growth in medical was offset by the divestiture of the telecom business and lower revenue in advanced applications.

Looking at our performance by region on slide 6; revenue in North America decreased modestly by 3% with growth in cutting, welding and medical applications, offset by lower sales in non-laser systems, advanced applications as well as the telecom divestiture. In Europe, sales decreased 21% as a result of lower demand across all major materials processing applications due to weaker macroeconomic conditions. Currency translation also negatively impacted sales in the region.

Revenue in China decreased 15% year-over-year as growth in welding primarily for EV battery applications was more than offset by continued softness in the cutting market, increased local competition and currency headwinds. We estimate that COVID-related restrictions in China impacted fourth quarter revenue by approximately $7 million and bookings by approximately $14 million. Moving to a summary of our balance sheet on slide 7; we ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $1.2 billion and total debt of $16 million.

Cash provided by operations was $42 million during the quarter and capital expenditures were $26 million in the quarter. During the quarter, we repurchased shares to a total of $117 million, while continuing to maintain a strong balance sheet, we have returned $500 million of capital to shareholders with our ongoing stock repurchases in 2022, which represents more than half of our total share repurchases since 2016.

Our inventories declined due to the inventory write-down in Russia with some improvements to the electronic supply chain, a decrease in required safety stock as we continue to increase production of components in Europe and North America and a focus on improving our inventory management, we plan to stabilize and then reduce the investment in inventory during 2023. Our capex was $26 million in the quarter and $110 million for the full year. We expect 2023 capex to be in the range of $140 million to $160 million.

The expected expenditures in 2023 are at a higher rate than we expect longer term as we are building and equipment for production capacity expansion to increase production outside of Russia. Capex also includes investments in R&D, sales and service in North America, Germany and Asia. Moving to outlook on slide 9; fourth quarter book-to-bill was slightly below 1. We saw continued softness in orders in Europe and China, primarily due to uncertain macroeconomic conditions, which impact demand in general industrial markets.

Media macroeconomic indicators for Europe, China and the U.S. remain subdued, but conditions appear to be more stable in Europe and the U.S., and there is an expectation of increasing activity in China later this year. Additionally, we are benefiting from growth opportunities created by major macro trends such as electric vehicle battery manufacturing and renewable energy. We're seeing continued strong orders in e-mobility and welding applications, which are not being impacted by the economic uncertainty.

Furthermore, LightWELD and medical products continue to ramp up, presenting future growth opportunities for IPG. For the first quarter of 2023, IPG expects revenue of $310 million to $340 million. The company expects the first quarter tax rate to be approximately 26%. IPG anticipates delivering earnings per diluted share in the range of $0.90 to $1.20 with approximately 48 million diluted common shares outstanding.

We continue to expect currency headwinds and estimate that the first quarter revenue guidance is reduced by about $9 million due to the strength of the U.S. dollar in the current quarter as compared to the first quarter of 2022. As discussed in the safe harbor passage of today's earnings press release, our guidance is based upon current market conditions and expectations, assumes exchange rates referenced in our earnings press release and is subject to risks outlined in the Safe Harbor and the company's reports with the SEC.

With that, we'll be happy to take your questions.

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Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Hi, thank you. Good morning. First question I have is just a general question on the EV-related business that you're looking at in '23. I'm wondering how you would characterize the environment broadly. And maybe also whether you see some benefit in this business in the U.S. as a result of the Inflation Reduction Act or is that something you might anticipate being more beneficial in 2024?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Hi, Jim. It's Tim here. So we remain very optimistic about the EV business globally in 2023 and expect that to continue to grow. If you look at the sort of medium to longer-term trends in terms of battery capacity additions, we don't have final numbers for last year, but between 2022 to 2025 we're expecting to see a tripling of battery capacity and then another doubling of it beyond then. So we remain optimistic about that.

With regard to the second question around the Inflation Reduction Act, we've actually seen some significant order that was delivered in Q4 that went into the U.S. and may have gone into another geographic region if that hadn't or part of it they're going into another geographic region without the act. And even in the first quarter of -- the first few weeks of this quarter, we've actually booked some significant EV-related orders in North America. So there's certainly some -- the Inflation Reduction Act has seen, you can point to some specific evidence of orders strengthening in the U.S. They may not be solely related to that, but certainly in some to some degree.

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

I would like to add something. For us, EV application is very important. Why? Because for such kind of applications, our customers is not only one of our second to products from IPG, no. As a lot of product, including the different kind of laser, CW, QCW, pulse lasers, which are using for different kind of production, for example, welding, battery, cutting foils, cleaning and so on. This is why, for us, it's very important because we can present to our customer a different kind of product, again, different lasers, different kind of subsystems and primary systems.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Got it. Follow-up question just relates to China with the reopening there, I'm wondering how much of a benefit do you see in the legacy business or are you looking at the improvement in -- from reopening being more of a tailwind that comes from the emerging areas of the business in China?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

With the reopening, you will see some improvement in the legacy business, right? We still participate in the higher end of the cutting market, which is not necessarily defined by power, right? So the investments on that side, on the general industrial side have been pretty weak over the last 18 months or so. So we expect to see some improvement in that.

But really, in addition to that, we want to see and drive -- continue to drive strong performance from the other applications where we clearly have a significant advantage and where the competitive dynamics are less. So the major outperformance or improvement probably coming from non-legacy but legacy contributing to some degree on that, the cutting business is at a very low level in China in Q4.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Thanks a lot. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Our next question is from Ruben Roy with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Ruben Roy
Analyst at Stifel Financial

Hi, thank you. Tim, I guess, just a follow-up right on that point. Can you give us an idea of where cutting is as a percentage of your China revenue? And with China reopening -- I guess this is a question that also incorporates sort of the restructuring in Russia. So China reopening, cutting, where is it today and kind of how you see that playing out through the course of the year? And then that combined with Russian ops and as that impacts gross margin, I guess, is the real question for the year, how you're looking at your gross margin flowing through 2023 would be helpful? Thank you.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

China cutting was well below a third of total revenue in Q4 and you saw China cutting revenue, was only about 34% of the total. So there's exposure to the consolidated basis, it's slightly less than 10%. So that's both a positive and a negative, right? You've got a lot of diversification away from it. We obviously like that business to be a bit stronger because it provides a foundation or formwork on the baseline of revenue.

In terms of the cost structure and gross margin there's a lot of different aspects to that question. Maybe not just the China supply chain. We've started to already supply a significant number of the lasers that were produced in Russia, the lower power levels. We're really supplying the medium power to lower power kilowatt lasers to China. We're already supplying a significant quantity of those out of Europe. We're already supplying at the lower power level the ultra-compact laser that has a significantly reduced bill of material costs. We're transitioning that up to not just 1.5 and 3 kilowatts, but already started almost 6 kilowatt, and we'll go to the 8 kilowatts. So you get some cost benefit out of that there.

Overall, rather than just talking about it on the cutting side, all of the analysis we've done on gross margin despite this crisis that we've faced shows us that the cost structure of the business, and I said that I'd be able to talk about this more clearly this quarter. When we get into the second half of the year assuming some increase in revenue, we actually see a good improvement in gross margins from this point forwards as long as the macro stays relatively positive. And we actually don't see a fundamental shift in the gross margin cost structure related to those operations because the total number of people that we're required to take on to replace the core products is significantly less than the total head count that existed.

In Russia, we're starting to source some products from third-party suppliers where we've qualified them for quality and the cost of those actually is equal to or even below what our internal cost was. And then we've got -- we're looking and ramping up manufacturing, for example, of some of the more labor-intensive components in Poland. We're making very good progress on that. The labor costs actually in Poland are very competitive to what we would incur in Russia, and even with its smaller scale but even our Italian manufacturing operation who are very good at producing optical components and even finished optical devices, their cost structure there has got some benefit over Northern European costs and even U.S. costs.

So they're actually producing some of the lower-cost lasers as well for China. And then I've touched on the fact that a bit more in the medium to longer-term that strategy around automation, not just on components, but even subassemblies is continuing to be invested in. So I think despite this crisis, I'm actually pretty optimistic about the cost structure this business is ultimately going to have.

Ruben Roy
Analyst at Stifel Financial

Well, thank you, Tim, for all that detail. That's great to hear. I guess just a quick follow-up then. You mentioned lower level of activity, which is kind of obvious with the Russian operations. Can you give us sort of a rough idea of where Russia stands today as a percentage of production kind of -- is there more to do? How low is it going to get? Is it going to get shut down? I mean any sort of longer-term detail around the activity there would be helpful.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

No, we're not able to talk in detail about that at this point in time. We've got this review ongoing. Part of that review, obviously, the level of activity in that operation is going to be significantly lower. So that review incorporated a significant and substantial restructuring plan, which we've made really good headway on even in the last 8 weeks or so. The restructuring plan goes through Q1 and Q2, and then we're continuing to evaluate different options for that business, but we're really -- we don't have any options right now because we need to get through the restructuring.

But really, the view point is that because of the restrictions on what you can do into and out of Russia is that business has to be self-sustaining on its local sales. At the moment, they can supply some basic medical devices to some of our regions around the world. But the whole plan that we looked at was to make it a self-sustaining business based upon local sales. And given that level of sales, we feel optimistic about increasing, but the total capacity that's needed there is going to be adjusted, and is being adjusted.

Ruben Roy
Analyst at Stifel Financial

Thanks Tim.

Operator

Our next question is from Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Miller
Analyst at Benchmark

I'm just looking at your backlog. Can you estimate what percent of sales are EV related in the backlog?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

It wouldn't be dissimilar to our total revenue that we reported last year. So probably about 20% of it. I mean it will depend upon the timing of shipments as well. I know, for example, in the last couple of weeks, we've had a significant order for some EV-related products. So it wouldn't be dissimilar to the total share of EV on revenue last year, Mark.

Mark Miller
Analyst at Benchmark

In terms of how the backlog rolls out during the year, were you expecting an improving margin picture based on the current backlog?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Yeah, that's because you've got some of the -- we continue to expect not just the current backlog but future order flow as well, right? We've talked about having a strong year on EV applications. We're rolling out the ultra-compact lasers at higher power levels. We're expecting obviously that given the improvements in the China business and generally speaking, we're optimistic about growing revenue during the year. So you get some scale back in the business that would also drive an improvement in gross margins.

You've got other cost reduction initiatives that we're working on and things like the automation area that I talked about. So as I said, overall, it's interesting. You go through these crises, but when you come out of them, the degree and depth of work that's done actually sometimes leads you to certainly a much stronger organization. And coming into the second half of the year, we believe that we're going to see some meaningful improvements in gross margin.

Mark Miller
Analyst at Benchmark

And the emerging products typically carry above-average margins. Is that correct?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Yeah, in general, you've got all the AMB, the high-power pulse, green lasers have got good margin. The medical has got good margin. LightWELD margins have improved a lot over since the product was first introduced both with new options and capability on that product and reduction in the bill of materials. So the LightWELD margin has improved. We expect our margin on our laser systems business, excluding LightWELD to improve.

So for example, the margin on the cleaning systems, which is a much more standard system, that should have an improving margin profile as compared to historical one-off type systems that were sold for primarily welding applications. Actually the other thing out there is that we expect some better performance on advanced applications this year. Last year was a pretty weak year on advanced applications, we got a good pipeline of potential orders there and advanced applications have a good margin profile to them as well.

Mark Miller
Analyst at Benchmark

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Feniger with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Feniger
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Tim, when we think of that manufacturing footprint, the full transition as you said, we'll see -- it'll become more clear, it seems like in the second half. Is it ramping up more in Poland, in Germany or U.S. just speaking about that second half, like how much of a percentage increase are we seeing in those areas versus where we were in Q4 right now by regions or any sense to see which one capacity is ramping up higher than where we were a year ago?

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

About components. First of all, of course we have transferred production in different areas in Poland, in Italy and Germany and also expanding our production in the United States. Comparison is difficult because we are producing different components in different areas. For example, in the United States, we produce components, especially for U.S. markets, for U.S. applications. In Europe, it's much more broader because in Italy and Poland also they produce different kind of components.

It's not the same than in Germany. And from this point of view, of course, we have a good opportunity to optimize production. First of all, taking in mind the much more optimal process to introduce a lot of automation. It's one of the primary goals for organizing this production, first of all, components; but also in some cases, final devices. And from this point of view, we have a good opportunity to increase our production outside Russia, much more effective -- much more cost effective and much more productive.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

And Michael, I think given your question, the benefit on like the Polish -- lower-cost Polish manufacturing is not -- that's really starting to ramp now, right? We didn't have any benefit from that in Q4 that was meaningful. The expansion, we did have some benefit from Italy, but that's going to be expanded. So a lot of the additional capacity that was initially put in because the capability existed there was in North America and Germany, and we expect these other areas to view the benefit going forward.

I do want to be clear a bit that we go through -- continue to go through the restructuring of the operations in Russia. The first half of the year is going to have potentially some small additional charges, but we're also, for example, carrying some extra cost at the moment in Russia. We expect the restructuring process to take up until about May. So that's why I say that you come into -- the underlying gross margins in Q1 and Q2 will be able to explain pretty clearly.

There may be some -- the word I'm looking for a bit of murkiness around the reported margins. And then when you get into the second half of the year you've adjusted the cost structure in Russia and you've got the sort of full benefit from some of the Polish and Italian operations coming through and some of the other cost reduction initiatives.

Michael Feniger
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Very helpful. And just welding in EV is obviously a very strong areas for you guys. Can you just help us understand the competitive dynamics there? Has there been any change there in the last one to two years when we think of welding in the EV space?

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

Yeah, definitely. In the initial stage, we certainly are able to start to introduce our lasers for EV applications. Our first introduction of different kinds of lasers for welding, including our latest development -- developed laser was AMB, adjustable mode beam parameter laser. But now situation is different because for such kind of application we deliver not only lasers, but also our monitoring system, our scanners or special welding fence. And also now we are working to introduce to our customer the full integration solution, including all these components largely integrated with the same design and the same software.

And for the future also see to penetrate to the EV market, not only by producing some components like lasers or some other subsystems to our customer. Our main goal to introduce and to deliver to our customer subsystem and systems for welding applications but also for cutting applications, but also very promising applications, cleaning applications also for EV market. And we have good opportunity using our high-power pulsed lasers and also our system based on these high-power pulsed lasers for cleaning applications for EV market.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Comparatively, it's really no competition still in China from anybody on the welding side. The company who will compete with most on EV continues to be the large German manufacturer. So the competitive dynamics haven't changed in that end market. On LightWELD, globally, that's really continues to be a very leading edge product. If you look online, you'll see there are some handheld welders advertised in China, but they're pretty large devices. They've got different cooling requirements. They're not really even equivalent to what we're producing.

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

They all accept only one important parameter, very low price in comparison to our product.

Michael Feniger
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Perfect. And I guess just lastly, like you guys have done a lot of -- like you said, Tim, there's been a lot of work being done in diving deep into how you guys have handled a lot of these challenges. Is there any product -- I know this was touched on earlier, but is there any products you guys think about longer term, maybe shifting more your capacity towards the U.S. or I know it came up earlier about servicing the cutting market, the low end in China. Just curious with how you guys have transformed or transitioned away from Russia? Is there a different profile that you guys maybe will service going forward? Has that come into the picture?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

I quite didn't get the question, but I mean there's a lot of -- for example, all of our diode manufacturing has been always and always will be -- not always will be, but it is still primarily in the U.S., right, all the semiconductor, most of the packaging. There is no specific. On the finished product is you're basically assembling different components together. So you can even change that depending on where your demand is. If we had excess capacity in the U.S. and wanted to supply a greater number of lasers to China from the U.S. because European demand for finished product was very strong, we could easily do that.

The finished product side is very flexible as to where you actually make the end product. I'd say the U.S. does a lot. Obviously, they're producing all the LightWELD products at the moment. They produce all the green lasers for the solar cell and other applications. So a little bit a newer product, is coming more primarily out of North America, but we're not also -- we don't -- we're not holding to that. You could add capacity elsewhere on that finished product. So it's really the component side of it that we've been looking at over the last few months and all the different things we've been talking about on that to offset some of the capacity that we're losing in Russia. But there's a lot of flexibility on finished products as to where you produce them.

Eugene Scherbakov
Executive Officer and Director at IPG Photonics

And based on this visibility, it's very simple because manufacturing of fiber laser, final assembly or final manufacturing is a very easy process. We can easily install at any facility. It's not a problem. The main know-how -- our main know-how is, first of all, of course, in components. And this is why we are producing components in selected area, for example, diodes product is produced only in the United States. No reason to expand this production for the other countries because already installed the automation production, very effective, just cost per 1 watt is much less in comparison to all others. And the same for other components. Fiber components, of course, is not any sense to produce outside of Germany because again, it's installed, stable production and now introduce the automated production for these components.

Operator

Our next question is from Jamie Wang with Citigroup Hong Kong. Please proceed with your question.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Hey, thanks. I have two quick questions here. First, regarding the Russia impairment. Are those impairment and charge one-offs, and that we won't see this expenses this year or going forward? And second question is regarding China. We recently talked to your corporate partner in China Han's Laser and they said this year it's likely to go back to 2021 level. So that's about 15% a year growth. I just want to ask Tim, are you seeing?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Jamie, can you just speak up? We can't really hear your question at the moment. I didn't get either of those questions. Could you just talk a bit more -- talk a bit louder? The first question was on.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Yes. Is it better now?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

No, not really but.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Sorry. Okay. Forget about those questions. Sorry, there is something wrong with the microphone. Yeah, sorry.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

There's a problem.

Operator

Jamie, are you still there?

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Yes. But can you guys hear me well now?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

It's a little bit better. We'll try -- let's try one more time.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Yeah. Sorry, yeah.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Let's stay with one question first and then the second one after that, yes. So the first question was on restructuring charges, I think.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Okay. Okay. So that is what I mean to ask. The first question, okay, regarding the Russia impairment, loss impairment charge is one-off, so that we won't see these expenses this year and going forward? Thank you.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

There may be some smaller restructuring charges related to severance and things like that. But in terms of like the impairment of long-lived assets and the inventory, we think we did a very, very thorough review of those, and that would be the only -- we don't expect any significant charges related to that.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Okay. Thank you. Okay. The second question is regarding China business. Recently, we talked to your corporate partners in China, Han's Laser. And they say that it's likely, revenue in the industry is likely to go back to 2021 level. So that was about 15% a year growth. I just want to understand, would you guys are seeing the similar metrics of revenue recovery in China? Yes, just want to understand your follow-up recovery in China. Thank you.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

You're saying Han's has said they expect revenue to go back to 2021 levels?

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Yeah.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Which is about a 15% recovery from 2022?

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Roughly, roughly. And they are particularly positive on their high-power recovery -- recovery from the high-powered laser equipment for your reference. Thank you.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

We expect -- we're not giving specific guidance on China, but Q4 and Q1 revenue of China is at a pretty low point. You saw last quarter it was 34% of revenue, less than $100 million. So we are -- our half forecast during the year expects a meaningful pickup in China revenue. Whether we get back to peak levels is probably a bit unlikely because we still do have the competitive dynamics around the cutting business, right? We're driving a lot of that growth from other applications. We don't expect cutting to be 40% or 50% of China revenue going forward. But we do expect a recovery in China during the rest of the year.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Got it. Okay. That's clear. Thank you very much. No more questions from me.

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

I think Han's -- by the way, Han's' outlook points to the fact that people are optimistic that overall the China's economy is going to see a recovery in the year.

Jamie Wang
Analyst at Citigroup Hong Kong

Yeah. The give-ups are -- yeah, the rough guidance did say that despite the fact that the visibility -- although the visibility is quite low right now, particularly from their [Indecipherable], particularly from the PCB business, but they expect their revenue to recover maybe from the second quarter or second half of this year in China. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next question comes from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Thanks. Just a follow-up on the EV market. You cited some of the market data out there, which is fairly bullish. And you've certainly shown strong growth in this market. Would you be -- because you, I assume, have some line of sight to this business, would you assume this business is capable of growing 25%, 30% this year or more?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

Of course, significant -- I mean I'm not going to give a number on it, Jim, because that kind of like ends up in sort of annual guidance on it. But we're expecting meaningful growth out of that business and it to be geographically, globally based, not just sort of China-based but strong growth in North America and Europe as well.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Okay. And on LightWELD, I know you made some commentary earlier in the call, but I think you've suggested that it was at last quarter, I think, of $40 million or so run rate business that you thought could grow 80%. Is that still the kind of expectations you have for the business?

Tim Mammen
Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President at IPG Photonics

We've got very strong expectations of that business and now rolling it out in Europe more broadly. We're not actually focused really on China on it, but we've got very good demand out of Japan and Korea for that business and continue to expect it to grow extremely robustly going forward.

Jim Ricchiuti
Analyst at Needham & Company LLC

Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Eugene Fedotoff for closing comments.

Eugene Fedotoff
Director of Investor Relations at IPG Photonics

Thank you for joining us this morning and your continued interest in IPG. As usual, we will be participating in a number of investor events in this quarter, and I am looking forward to speaking with you soon. Have a great day, everyone.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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  • Eugene Fedotoff
    Director of Investor Relations
  • Eugene Scherbakov
    Executive Officer and Director
  • Tim Mammen
    Chief Financial Officer and Senior Vice President
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