Assured Guaranty Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Achieved $375 million of present value premiums (PVP) in 2022—fifth consecutive year above $350 million—while leading the US muni bond insurance market with a ~60% new-issue share and insuring $3.3 billion of secondary market par.
  • Returned $567 million to shareholders through buybacks and dividends, repurchasing nearly 13% of shares outstanding and raising the quarterly dividend by over 12% to $0.28 per share.
  • Resolved most Puerto Rico exposures via settlements, eliminating $2.2 billion of below–investment grade par and cutting below-IG net par to 2.5%, with only PREPA remaining unsettled.
  • Inflation and rapid rate hikes led to unrealized losses in the fixed-income portfolio, contributing to an 8% decline in GAAP shareholder equity per share to $85.80 at year-end.
  • Asset management AUM held steady at $17.5 billion; the company is exploring strategic alternatives to enhance scale and boost asset-management earnings.
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Earnings Conference Call
Assured Guaranty Q4 2022
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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Insured Guaranty Limited 4th Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lauren, and I'll be the operator for today's call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Robert Tucker, Senior Managing Director, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Assured Guaranty for our Q4 year end 2022 financial results conference call. Today's presentation is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The presentation may contain forward looking statements about our new business and credit outlooks, market conditions, credit spreads, financial ratings, loss reserves, financial results or other items that may affect our future results. These statements are subject to change due to new information or future events. Therefore, you should not place undue reliance on them as we do not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise them except as required by law.

Speaker 1

If you're listening to a replay of this call or if you're reading the transcript of the call, please note that our statements made today may have been updated since this call. Please refer to the Investor Information section of our website for our most recent presentations and SEC filings, both current financial filings and for the risk factors. This presentation also includes references to non GAAP financial measures. We present the GAAP financial measures most directly comparable to the non GAAP financial measures referenced in this presentation, along with a reconciliation between such GAAP and non GAAP financial measures in our current financial supplement and equity investor presentation, which are on our website at assuredguaranty.com. Turning to the presentation, our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of Assured Guaranty Limited and Rob Bailenson, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

After their remarks, we will open the call to your questions. As the webcast is not enabled for Q and A, please dial into the call if you'd like to ask a question. I will now turn the call over to Dominic.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Robert, and welcome to everyone joining today's call. Assured Guaranty performed exceptionally well in a very volatile 2022.

Speaker 3

Our U. S. Public

Speaker 2

finance, international infrastructure finance and global structure finance financial guarantee businesses combined to produce $375,000,000 of total PVP in 2022, the 5th consecutive year in which new business production generated more than $350,000,000 of future stage. We continue to lead the U. S. Municipal bond insurance industry with our share of new issue insured parcel nearly equal to the previous year's record share of 60%. Our 3.64 trades in the secondary U.

Speaker 2

S. Municipal bond market produced $3,300,000,000 of par insured, up 6.50% year over year, and a par amount not seen in over a decade. During the year, we brought key measures of shareholder value per share to new year high and to new year end highs, even though shareholder equity per share declined 8% to $85.80 due to unrealized losses in the investment portfolio. Topping the previous record set in 2021, adjusted operating shareholders' equity per share increased 6% to $93.92 and adjusted book value per share rose 9% to $141.98 We returned a total of $567,000,000 to shareholders in share repurchases and dividends, which Rob will say more about. The share repurchases represented nearly 13% of our year end 2021 shares outstanding.

Speaker 2

In addition, last week we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.28 per common share, which represents an increase of over 12% of our previously quarterly dividend of $25 per common share and the 12th consecutive year that our dividend has been increased. We reached settlement agreements for our exposure to the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and to all but one of the defaulted Puerto Rico entities in our insured portfolio, which when combined with our normal public Puerto Rico amortization eliminated $2,200,000,000 of below investment grade net insured costs outstanding. We also sold or were paid off on a portion of the securities we received in the settlements. Our markets and the economic environment presented a new set of challenges during 2022, a year marked by inflation, rising interest rates, volatile financial and currency markets, uncertain economic trends and geopolitical stress. For example, the rapid rise of interest rates led to unrealized losses in our fixed income investment portfolio.

Speaker 2

It also caused refundings in the U. S. And municipal market to decrease significantly, which is an important reason that volume declined in both the overall primary market and its insured portion. For our non U. S.

Speaker 2

Business, the rapid strengthening of the U. S. Dollar versus foreign currencies, especially U. K. Pound sterling, reduced the dollar value of deferred premium revenue from foreign denominated exposures.

Speaker 2

The earnings from amortization of those premiums and the amount of PVP we could record in dollars for a given amount of new international business. In the face of such headwinds, our $375,000,000 of PVP was an impressive result and it was well diversified across our public finance and structured finance markets. Issuance of U. S. Municipal bonds totaled $360,000,000,000 in 2022, down 21% from a record par amount of $457,000,000,000 in 2021.

Speaker 2

Refunding activity was particularly impacted by higher rates. Nevertheless, the bond insurance industry penetration rate for the year reached 8% for the 2nd consecutive year, which is well above pre pandemic levels and indicates that investors and issuers who saw firsthand the value of bond insurance during COVID crisis continue to see its benefits in an unpredictable world. It is encouraging that in the Q4 of 2022, bond insurance penetration reached 8.7%, the industry's highest 4th quarter penetration rate since 2,008 and the 3rd highest penetration rate of all quarters since 2,009. Assured Guaranty's production was a leading force behind the industry's performance in 2022 as we insured nearly 60% of new issue insured parts sold. We achieved a 70% market share for the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 2

Additionally, as investors turned to the secondary market to make up for the comparative lack of new issue supply, the secondary market par we insured was 6 50% higher in 2021 than in 2021. As interest rates surged outward and bond prices fell, our secondary market insurance was useful for investors seeking market liquidity and portfolio management flexibility. In the combined primary and secondary markets, we sold insurance on municipal par of $20,000,000,000 Our combined U. S. Public finance PVP totaled $257,000,000

Speaker 3

Our

Speaker 2

2022 transactions included the bond buyers' healthcare financing deal of the year, in which we insured both tax exempt and taxable hospital revenue bonds issued for Louisville based University of Louisville Health. We insured $272,000,000 or about 2 thirds of the FAR issued in this transaction, which proceeds our financing 2 major strategic projects. This healthcare issue was 1 of 31 issues launched in 2022 in which we insured at least $100,000,000 at par. In one example, we insured all $608,000,000 of tax exempt green transmission project revenue bonds that the Power Authority of the State of New York issued to support construction and improvement of transmission projects. In another, we insured $572,000,000 of private activity bonds issued as part of the $1,800,000,000 public private partnership financing to support the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation's rehabilitation and reconstruction and improvement of aging bridges.

Speaker 2

As increased federal spending provides impetus for large scale infrastructure projects, this sector should present important opportunities for our insured guarantee. We can bring not only our guarantee of timely principal and interest payments, but also our financial strength and capacity to ensure large project financing as well as our years of experience underwriting infrastructure credits, including public private partnerships. Moreover, we continue to add value on credits with underlying ratings in the AA category from 1 or both of S and P and Moody's, ensuring 121 such AA transactions, up from 109 last year and totaling $2,700,000,000 of insured bar. Outside the United States, our public finance business has become a consistent performer, producing more than $60,000,000 of PVP for 6 years in a row. In 2022, we wrote $68,000,000 of PVP in this business.

Speaker 2

That is after the negative impacts of converting foreign currencies to U. S. Dollars. Among our notable accomplishments within non U. S.

Speaker 2

Public finance were large secondary market transactions related to UK regulated utilities and a major airport. The pipeline of highly likely deals could lead to a strong first half of twenty twenty three. Our Paris subsidiary, which we opened in 2020 to serve Continental Europe more effectively, further grew its business originations in 2022. In Global Structured Finance, we wrote $50,000,000 in PVP, which makes 2022 our 2nd most productive year for direct structured finance activity since 2012. Providing institutions like banks and insurance companies tools to syndicate risk and optimize capital utilization continues to be an important focus for Assured Guaranty.

Speaker 2

During the year, we closed transactions in several sectors including insurance risk transfer, commercial real estate, CLOs and whole business securitizations. Also during the year, we made further inroads into subscription finance where we work with banks to help them provide credit to private equity style funds collateralized by investors funding commitments. Also during 2022, we further strengthened our high quality, well diversified insurance portfolio. In 2022, we remembered as 0 refinalized settlement agreements on our exposure to the bonds of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, its Public Buildings Authority, its Highway and Transportation Authority and Cinera's other public corporations. Although the settlement terms vary by credit, overall, we were compensated in the settlements with a mix of cash and securities, including some continued value instruments that have upside potential based on the performance of the Puerto Rico economy.

Speaker 2

We have sold some of the securities we received and continue to do so as the market opportunities arise. Our last remaining unsettled defaulted Puerto Rico exposure is the Electric Power Authority PREPA, which we believe could be resolved this year, Primarily as a result of the substantially reducing substantially resolving our Puerto Rico par exposure, including $2,000,000,000 from the settlements plus $200,000,000 from normal amortization, we have reduced the below investment grade portion of our net borrow outstanding to just 2.5%, the lowest level since we acquired AGM in 2,009. The rating agencies look positively on our reduced exposure to Puerto Rico. Both S and P Global Ratings and Kroll Bond Rating Agencies cited it in their affirmations during 2022 of our AA ratings at S and P and AA plus ratings at KBRA, both with stable outlooks. In our Asset Management business, we are currently exploring strategic alternatives for this business to maximize value for our stakeholders.

Speaker 2

We are committed to our strategic objective for this business and to investing in alternative investments and are seeking alternative accretive strategies to grow asset management related earnings. Assured I'm ended 2022 with $17,500,000,000 of assets under management, which was essentially flat to that of 2021. 3rd party gross inflows were $1,400,000,000 and as was typical for many asset managers, we were impacted by the challenging global economy and financial markets and the widening of CLO spreads following the invasion of the Ukraine, as well as the runoff of our legacy funds and certain other limitations during the year. It is important to keep in mind that since acquiring Assured I'm just 3 years ago, we have made important and successful course corrections through its business strategies. We increased the fee earning AUM of Assured I'm funds to $16,800,000,000 as of December 31, 2022 from only $8,000,000,000 on December 31, 2019.

Speaker 2

Additionally, in the wind down funds, since the acquisition date, we reduced AUM from $5,500,000,000 to $182,000,000 at year end 2022. In our view, 2022 was a remarkable year. We saw interest rates rise from a prolonged period of historic lows to a more traditional normal, we believe sustainable levels, given us the potential to offer issuers even greater savings than we have in recent years while originating more PVP. It became clear that the increased penetration of municipal bond insurance that began with the onset of COVID has been sustained even with lower issuance. We believe this indicates more widespread understanding of our value proposition, which will support increased demand for our product in a world economic stage showing no signs of becoming more stable.

Speaker 2

United States began to experience the impact of Bipartisan Infrastructure Act as it incentivizes municipalities to complement federal funding with their own investments, typically funded with bonds in which we can potentially ensure and encourages public private partnership financings, we can add great value to our infrastructure finance experience, analytical and due diligence capabilities and financial strength. The success of our secondary market and municipal bond insurance business exemplified the growing awareness of the value and versatility of our bond insurance in volatile market conditions. Perhaps most importantly, we resolved most of our Puerto Rico exposure demonstrating again the effectiveness of our loss mitigation strategies, our determination to act in the best interest of our stakeholders, our commitment to responsible engagement with our insured obligors and the resilience of our business model. As we enter 2023, we are off to a solid start in new business production. Looking forward, we are well positioned for growth in the years ahead because we will do what we have always done, protect insured investors and shareholders through a disciplined underwriting and risk management, produce savings and broaden opportunities for issuers, expand our markets and actively and prudently manage our capital.

Speaker 2

I will now turn the call over to Rob.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Dominic, and good morning to everyone on the call. Before I review this year's results, let me start by highlighting our achievements against our long term strategic initiatives. In 2022, we had strong PVP of $375,000,000 across all business lines. Despite reduced primary market public finance issuance, this year's new business production adds to our deferred premium revenue and substantially offset scheduled amortization and refinements. The 2022 Puerto Rico resolutions extinguished all but one of the defaulting Puerto Rico exposures and reduced total below investment grade par to only 2.5% of total net par outstanding, the lowest level since 2,009.

Speaker 4

As part of the settlements with Puerto Rico, we received a combination of cash, recovery bonds and contingent value instruments. As of today, we have reduced our exposure to these securities by almost 60% through sales or pay downs. Also in 2022, we retired 8,800,000 common shares or 13% of the shares outstanding at the beginning of the year, which helped to boost adjusted book value to new record of almost $142 per share. Share repurchases represented a 5 $3,000,000 return of capital to shareholders, which is in addition to $64,000,000 of declared dividends. For 2023, the Board approved an increase in the quarterly dividend rate to $0.28 per share, up from $0.25 per share in 2022.

Speaker 4

And finally, our asset management business maintained steady AUM of 17,500,000,000 dollars 96 percent of which is fee earning business. We look forward to pursuing accretive growth strategies in this business to increase net asset management related earnings. Turning to our annual results on a full year basis, I'm pleased to report 2022 adjusted operating income of $267,000,000 or $4.14 per share, which compares with $470,000,000 or $6.32 per share in 2021. The insurance segment, which had adjusted operating income of $413,000,000 in 2022 compared with $722,000,000 in 2021 is the largest component of adjusted operating income. The primary drivers of the year over year variance came from loss expense and alternative investments.

Speaker 4

Loss expense, which is a function of both economic development and amortization of deferred premium revenue was $12,000,000 in 20.22 compared with a $221,000,000 benefit in 2021. 2022 loss expense consisted mainly of public finance expense of $128,000,000 partially offset by a benefit in U. S. RMBs of $120,000,000 Net economic development for 2022 was a benefit of $125,000,000 primarily consisting of a $17,000,000 loss for public finance transactions and a $143,000,000 benefit for U. S.

Speaker 4

RMBS transactions as we continue to see improved performance, higher recoveries related to charge off loans, benefits from loss mitigation efforts and the economic benefit associated with higher discount rates. The difference between loss expense and net economic development for public finance transactions is mainly attributable to the acceleration of deferred premium revenue on extinguished Puerto Rico transactions. Across all sectors, the impact of rising discount rates resulted in a benefit of $115,000,000 in 2022. The benefit of $221,000,000 in last year's loss expense mainly consisted of $155,000,000 benefit for public finance transactions, which reflected the increased certainty of the outcome of 2022 Puerto Rico resolutions and an $84,000,000 benefit for U. S.

Speaker 4

RMBS transactions. With respect to Puerto Rico, aside from PREPA, for which negotiations continue, there are no other unresolved defaulting Puerto Rico exposures in our insured portfolio. Our remaining insured net par exposure to HCA and GOs represents amounts owed to bondholders who did not receive accelerated debt service payments. The other main driver of the year over year variance in the Insurance segment adjusted operating income is the mark to market on alternative investments, which was a loss of $51,000,000 in 2022 compared with a gain of $144,000,000 in 2021. These types of alternative investments result in more volatility in periodic income compared to our fixed income fixed maturity investment portfolio.

Speaker 4

But on a cumulative basis, assured I'm funds have pre tax gains of $110,000,000 from inception through December 31, 2022, representing a 9.4% annualized return. We remain committed to alternative investment strategies where we expect returns in excess of those generated by the fixed maturity investment portfolio. Net earned premiums in the Insurance segment increased 16% to $508,000,000 in 20.22 from $438,000,000 in 2021. This includes accelerations due to refundings of $181,000,000 in 2022, of which $133,000,000 related to the extinguishment of certain Puerto Rico exposures compared to $66,000,000 of total refundings in 2021. In the Asset Management segment, results improved year over year with adjusted operating loss of $6,000,000 in 20.22 compared with adjusted operating loss of $19,000,000 in 2021 as increasing fees from opportunity fund strategies that were initiated after our acquisition of Blue Mountain outpaced lower fees from reduced AUM in the wind down funds.

Speaker 4

The corporate division adjusted operating loss was relatively consistent year over year, including the $130,000,000 after tax extinguishment of debt in 2021 that did not recur in 2022. The effective tax rate on adjusted operating income was 9.2% in 2022 compared with 13.2% in 2021 and is a function of taxable income across jurisdictions and varies from period to period. I also wanted to mention that the relative strength of the U. S. Dollar against the British pound and euro did not have a material effect on adjusted operating income.

Speaker 4

However, the movements in foreign exchange rates in 2022 did have a material effect on GAAP net income. These FX gains and losses also affect all of our non GAAP book value metrics. In terms of our capital management objectives, we repurchased 1,700,000 shares for $100,000,000 in the Q4 of 2022, bringing full year 2022 repurchases to $503,000,000 at an average price of $56.79 per share. We were able to accomplish last year's share repurchase goal without a special dividend as a result of several other internal capital management initiatives we had undertaken in recent years. Since the beginning of our repurchase program in 2013, we have returned $4,700,000,000 to shareholders under this program, resulting in a 73% reduction in our total shares outstanding.

Speaker 4

As of now, the remaining authorization to repurchase shares is $201,000,000 The timing of share repurchases depends on the timing of dividend availability from the insurance subsidiaries, as well as assessments of other accretive strategic growth initiatives that may require holding company liquidity. This year, the dividend capacity of the insurance subsidiaries is weighted towards the second half of the year. From a liquidity standpoint, the holding companies currently have cash and investments of approximately $121,000,000 of which $32,000,000 resides in AGL. These funds are available for liquidity needs or for use in the pursuit of our strategic initiatives to either expand our business or repurchase shares to manage our capital. Continued share repurchases along with our positive adjusted operating income, new business production and favorable loss development have increased adjusted operating shareholders' equity per share and adjusted book value per share to new records of almost $94 $142 respectively.

Speaker 4

While operating results vary from period to period, a consistent quarterly increase in these book value metrics reflect how the successful execution of our key strategic initiatives build shareholder value over the long term. I'll now turn the call over to the operator to give you the instructions for the Q and A period. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Geoffrey Dunn from Downey and Partners. Geoffrey, please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 5

Dominic, with respect to the asset management business, obviously, we've had market volatility that you can't project and interest rates. But I'm curious how this has evolved relative to your original expectations. And given where we are with respect to still not turning a profit, did you guys underestimate the importance of scale in this business? Or is this kind of progressing as you thought and you always were planning additional strategic initiatives to improve the growth here?

Speaker 2

Well, I'll answer that in 2 ways. I won't sit here and say it's exactly as we thought because obviously that's not quite the case. However, we do appreciate from the beginning that it's a scale business. And then we talked in our commentary, we continue to look at alternatives and how we can further develop scale and profitability. As you see, we've narrowed the loss and with the added the returns that we've been able to create on the asset manager on the portfolio side, we still think it's net net positive to the organization.

Speaker 2

But like I said, we're not done. So as we continue to develop that business, get more scale and profitability, we continue to think this is a great strategic diversification for the company and a great opportunity to grow significantly non financial guarantee earnings, which of course are really subject to very strong market conditions. This is kind of a hedge against those market conditions because when the market is most volatile, the asset management business typically does better. So we're thinking of it as revenue that's not risk related, revenue that we can build on and we appreciate the scale business. So we continue to look at opportunities to increase that scale and we're very confident in what the results we're going to achieve and how it fits into our strategic plan.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then as you think about capital management, you've had a $500,000,000 target for buyback year in, year out for several years. And Rob, I did hear your comments about the dividend capacity, etcetera. But is that still a target as you think about 2023, 2024? And how do you weigh hitting that target against investments in additional asset management resources?

Speaker 2

Well, see, that's a good question of the day, right? So we consider what is the most accretive transactions we can do. And historically, where the stock was very, very low, obviously, buyback of stock was the most accretive transaction we can execute at the time. As we look today, we're evaluating other alternatives that have even a better accretion to the company. And we'd like to start going into a growth mode instead of a continued wind down mode.

Speaker 2

And we see the opportunities to accelerate and to capitalize on that. So we weigh each of the alternatives each time we look at the buyback. The capital management is still a strong part of our strategic objectives. Obviously, this year, our dividend capacity is back end loaded. So therefore, you're going to see more activity in the latter half of the year than the prior in the beginning part of the year.

Speaker 2

And if you think back, Jeff, or you go back 3 years, we've had unique, what I'll call episodic transaction that really supported the buyback capability, the debt we took on, the collapsing of MAC, the starting of the French subsidiary and the dividend capacity that created. So we've had episodic events that allowed us to continue to get to the targeted number without a special dividend. As you look at this year and say, okay, even if I look at operating dividend capacity, I'm going to still need a special dividend somewhere along the line. And we think that's really relevant and possible this year because a couple of things happened. 1, we think Puerto Rico by and large will be put to bed, and therefore that will give the regulator a real pause for relief.

Speaker 2

Finally, that that's not an issue for the company, even though it's never been an economic issue yet the headline risk is there. 2, we've got our 5 year audit being completed, which will also clear the decks and we've got very positive audit results in the past. I expect another positive audit this year. When we clear those two things, I think then it gives us a real opportunity to go back to the regulator to start to move positively for the issues of special dividends, which would enhance buyback capabilities. Okay.

Speaker 5

And then just last question. In terms of how you think about accretion, obviously, you get the immediate benefit from buyback, whereas, let's say, you acquire asset management platform that can play out over several years. I mean, how do you balance the 2 where you may get a better boost to the economic value creation over several years from an asset management investment versus buyback?

Speaker 2

Okay. Without tipping too much of a hand here, we're looking at opportunities that will have a lot quicker accretion opportunity or a lot quicker accretion effect on the organization. So we do actually look at both. Obviously, one builds a longer term business, but we're still saying I still need results in the short term. This is not an investment and watch it come to fruition in 5 years.

Speaker 2

I'm a more immediate guide these days. So we're going to have more immediate impacts of the things that we do.

Speaker 4

All right. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Meredith from UBS. Brian, please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes, thanks. So just a couple of quick ones here. First one, just following on the capital management question. Rob, I think I get my math about $240,000,000 of kind of capacity that you'd have for share buyback this year if you just take the dividends without special less holding company kind of obligations. I'm not sure if that's right.

Speaker 6

So is that about the number you're thinking about that you've got the capacity for? And then do you need to have PREPA resolved, do you think to get the special dividend? Is that a kind of requirement you think?

Speaker 2

Well, I'll answer the latter half for Rob. So obviously we need a proper resolution to get a special dividend request to the state. I think if you go back in time, we had special dividends in 2016, 2017, 2018 2019. All those are right in the heart of the Puerto Rico situation where we had about $5,800,000,000 of outstanding. But I think we just prep a left on the schedule and of course our track record for being adequately reserved speaks for itself.

Speaker 2

I don't think that's an issue to be very honest with you, Brian. I think the audit is more of an issue for us today just to clear that deck.

Speaker 4

And Brian, if you look at our equity presentation on Page 11, you can see that our dividend limitation for AGM and AGC is about 311 if you add for without having a special dividend. And if you look at the holding company obligations, which would be expenses plus dividends, about 194,000,000 dollars So that gives us roughly 120 something million available to buy back stock without other transactions that we can generate internally. We are looking at dividend money back from the UK. That's something that we're looking to do based upon their capital management policy as well. So these are all things that we're looking to achieve this year to enhance that dividend capacity.

Speaker 3

Got you.

Speaker 6

I was assuming

Speaker 4

AG Re, if you look at that once AG Re, you see it to 0 on that page That's because it still has no dividend capacity because the surplus is negative effectively. But as capital, you can actually ask the regulator for 25% of its capital with permission. However, you also have to look at its unencumbered assets as well at AGRE. Got

Speaker 2

it. What I was

Speaker 4

going to say,

Speaker 2

Brian, is I don't want to lose sight of the fact that we did take outstanding shares from $194,000,000 down to $59,000,000 So you're like children more for your allowance. We've given you a pretty good allowance these last couple of years. So your allowance might be a little bit reduced, but at the end of the day, look at the success in the track record.

Speaker 4

That's perfect.

Speaker 2

Don't make me put you in the corner. Okay.

Speaker 6

Excellent. And then, Rob, I think you kind of walked through pretty well, but maybe just a little bit more on the loss in the quarter in the insurance segment. What was the rationale behind having to increase reserves related to Puerto Rico exposures?

Speaker 4

Well, the what was the rationale? The rationale is we look at all information that happens within the quarter, what's public and you then evaluate your scenarios and you see if you have to change your weights on those scenarios or add additional scenarios. And obviously there was an announcement where another one of our competitors, one of our where another financial guarantor entered into an agreement with Puerto Rico and we evaluated that agreement and we adjusted our scenarios accordingly.

Speaker 2

Remember, Brian, that's GAAP, right? At the end of the day, if you ask me what my feelings are, my feelings are fairly positive on where we're going to get to on PREPA, especially with the current hearings going on relative to non recourse and the lien. I think the arguments there are pretty strong. I don't think Judge Swain wants to reverse the entire history of municipal revenue bonds. So I'm confident or at least somewhat confident that we're going to have a pretty good hearing relative to the confirmation of the plan relative to those two issues.

Speaker 2

And that could turn this thing on a dime as you could well appreciate. So our reserves are what we have to do relative to GAAP. We're respecting public information that's out there, which was the MBIA settlement. At the end of the day, that has become one of the factors included in our conditional analysis of possible scenarios, and therefore, it gets a rating, and therefore, you get a reserve.

Speaker 6

Makes sense. Thanks. And then last question, just curious, if we think about the kind of macroeconomic outlook this year, it looks like there's a chance of recession. How does it necessarily play into your business profile as you look forward? Should we see a slowdown potentially in PPP if that happens?

Speaker 6

Does it matter? How should we think about that?

Speaker 2

Well, as I'm getting older and older and older and longer in the tooth here, at the end of the day, I think I suffered 3 recessions over my tenure. So each of them have not had a material impact on the company. The only thing that really concerns us is really the market volume for municipal bonds. Obviously, assuming we're just such a large municipal bond insured player, the activity in that space obviously has a direct effect. But even last year, with volumes down 20%, we still had a solid positive growth in PPP and we still continue to see those opportunities.

Speaker 2

And as we are still a diversified platform of structured finance and international, As we've talked a little bit on the call, the start in the Q1, we didn't give you a number, but is there a significant start in 2023 for those two businesses. So we're A, optimistic that rates will stay higher longer, which gets us more premium dollars. As you know, we get paid on debt service. 2, it creates more opportunity to save issuers money, so there'll be more searching for insurance. Volume might be down, but we think we can compensate for that for the higher premium.

Speaker 2

And then the 2 diversified markets of international infrastructure and international public finance that really then support the overall organization. So we're still looking at our goal of continuing to grow the public finance and the overall financial guaranty business and at the same time as we talked about, look at accretive opportunities to grow volume and size and capacity in the asset management business as well. Great. It's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Brian. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tommy McJoynt from KBW. Tommy, please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning, Tommy. Going back a bit on the capital side, it's obviously very formulaic on the regular dividend capacity. But when we think about the special dividend, it's obviously by nature not formulaic.

Speaker 7

But what are the factors that get weighed when you think about kind of the size of a potential dividend or special dividend as you have those conversations with regulators?

Speaker 2

Well, as we've always said, we've got good relations with our regulators. Why? Because we've done basically everything right. We've never caused them a limit of concern. We want to make sure any request for special dividend does the exact same thing.

Speaker 2

So you say, I can reach for the stars, but I don't want the regulators to sit there and say, well, that's aggressive. Right? So we want to keep managing it on a very systematic periodic basis of how we look at capital management, but also now as we look at growth opportunities. So I think we'll be measuring our approach. Obviously, we appreciate the regulator has a job to do.

Speaker 2

We want to make sure we stay within those spectrums that they establish. I think we've been a good soldier in that regard. We will continue to do that. So as we look to 2023, obviously, this is the year we think that it's back to get an opportunity to look at special dividends because of all the issues we've talked about Puerto Rico, the audit, etcetera. But we'll be measuring our approach.

Speaker 2

We like to look at this thing over a long term basis, not a short term. We're not looking for instant gratification. We're looking for the long term buildup of value, both shareholders and new business opportunities.

Speaker 7

And do you have a time point for when you think the 5 year audit is going to be completed?

Speaker 4

Yes, I believe it should be completed by the end of the summer.

Speaker 7

Okay. And so just based on your comments about the dividend capacity being weighted to the second half of the year, is that to mean that buybacks will be remain close to pause, close to 0 for the first half of the year or just kind of a scaled down version?

Speaker 2

It will be back end loaded as we said.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then my last question, you guys in the past have given that kind of estimate for the capital in excess of what would be needed for AAA rating from S and P. Have you guys run the numbers on what it looks like as of year end 2022?

Speaker 2

Of course, year end the numbers. It's $1,800,000,000 for year end 2022.

Speaker 7

So flat year over year. Got it. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from Giuliano Volokhana from Compass Point. Giuliano, please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good morning. One of the questions I was curious about digging into a little bit was I think the uni par issuance was the lowest on a dollar basis since 1Q of 2018, if I'm not mistaken. But you guys are obviously able to dial up your gross par written. I'm curious when you think about the market on a go forward basis, how large could the opportunity be assuming rates remain elevated and there's opportunity to write business? I'm curious how much could you grow that?

Speaker 3

And then what could that mean from kind of the capital deployment perspective?

Speaker 2

Well, I think the opportunity is significant. Remember, I think for us, it's more about rates than it is about volume because we can still make up volume in the other areas like secondary markets and international and the infrastructure businesses that allows or structured finance businesses that allows to write other businesses in this kind of marketplace. So we're very optimistic because of rates predominantly and of course spreads tend to come with rates so that helps. We're also looking at the fact that if you look at penetration rates and I always look at this every year, our penetration rates for the BBB and the A issuers are significant. On a transactional basis, it's over like 70% for like the BBB and I think it's well over 50% for the single As.

Speaker 2

So that market gets thick as rates go up as well. So that gives us even more opportunity. So although volume could be down substantially, I still think we're going to see opportunity because of where the rates are and who the borrowers are going to be. The nice thing about municipal finance is you can't really shut it off. It's a spigot that's got to run, right?

Speaker 2

The municipalities need to finance themselves and they can hold it off for a period of time as they're concerned about rate volatility or the ability to access the market. But over the long haul, there is a given level of volume that's got to come to the market and that's where the opportunity is. So for us, as long as rates stay high and it appears that rates are going to stay higher for longer, which is great for us, I think the market opportunity then presents itself for very strong continued premium growth.

Speaker 3

That's great. And then thinking this might be jumping ahead, there are a lot of questions about doing capacity for this year. But I'm curious around on Agas, if there's any plans to get in on some of the income pending there. How that kind of count towards your investment income this year, which would flow into 24 dividend capacity, if that could be a benefit to kind of keep things moving?

Speaker 2

Yes. We've got other strategic objectives that we need to meet. So I would hold off on that. Obviously, income is income for us. We're no matter where it arises from and see whether we can get the ability to move the cash around.

Speaker 2

It's more important that we look at AG US Holdings as the cash opportunity to get to the AGL holding company and that's going to be based on management fees and profitability in the asset management business.

Speaker 3

That sounds good. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Remember, Tommy, or I'm sorry, some of the assets in AEGAS are kind of illiquid. They're going to be stuck in those funds for a little bit of period of time. So the ability to actually create cash out of that versus earnings, right now we look at it as an earnings play. Cash flow materializes as you start to sell some of those assets when they come to maturity within the funds. That's a longer period of time.

Speaker 3

That's great. I appreciate it. Thank you very much and I'll get back in the queue.

Speaker 2

You're welcome. Thank

Speaker 4

you. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to our host, Robert Tucker, for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. If you have additional questions, please feel free to give us a call. Thank you very much.

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