Ross Stores Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 28, 2023
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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Ross Stores Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2022 Earnings Release Conference Call. The call will begin with prepared comments by management followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

Before we get started, on behalf of Ross Stores, I would like to note that the comments made on this call will contain forward-looking statements regarding expectations about future growth and financial results, including sales and earnings forecast, new-store openings and other matters that are based on the Company's current forecast of aspects of its future business.

These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical performance or current expectations. Risk factors are included in today's press release and the Company's fiscal 2021 Form 10-K and fiscal 2022 Form 10-Qs and 8-Ks on file with the SEC.

And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Barbara Rentler, Chief Executive Officer.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Joining me on our call today are, Michael Hartshorn, Group President, Chief Operating Officer, Adam Orvos, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Connie Kao, Group Vice President, Investor Relations.

We'll begin our call today with a review of our fourth quarter and 2022 performance, followed by our outlook for 2023. Afterwards, we'll be happy to respond to any questions you may have.

As noted in today's press release, during a very competitive holiday season, our fourth quarter sales and earnings results exceeded our guidance due to customers' positive response to our improved assortments and stronger value offerings. Earnings per share for the fourth quarter were $1.31 on net income of $447 million. These results compared earnings per share of $1.04 on net earnings of $367 million for the 13 weeks ended January 29, 2022. Sales for the fourth quarter of 2022 were $5.2 billion, with comparable store sales, up 1%, on top of a 9% increase for the same period in 2021.

For the 2022 fiscal year, earnings per share were $4.38 on net income of $1.5 billion compared to $4.87 per share on net earnings of $1.7 billion in 2021. Sales for 2022 were $18.7 billion, with comparable store sales down 4% versus a robust 13% increase in the prior year. Fourth quarter operating margin was 10.7% compared to 9.8% in 2021. This improvement was mainly driven by lower freight and incentive costs that were partially offset by unfavorable timing of packaway-related expenses.

Now let's turn to additional details on our fourth quarter results. For the holiday selling season, shoes was the best-performing merchandise area while Florida was the strongest region. Similar to Ross dd's DISCOUNTS sales trends improved compared to the prior quarter but continue to trail Ross' results primarily due to ongoing inflationary pressures that are continuing to have a larger impact on dd's lower-income customers.

Inventory levels moderated significantly from the first half of 2022 with consolidated inventories down 11% versus last year. Average store inventories during the quarter were down slightly compared to 2021's holiday period, while packaway merchandise represented 40% of total inventories, similar to last year.

We also believe we are well-positioned to take advantage of the numerous buying opportunities in the marketplace. As noted in today's release, the Company repurchased a total of 2.1 million and 10.3 million shares of common stock, respectively for an aggregate purchase price of $231 million in the quarter and $950 million for the fiscal year. These purchases are made pursuant to the two year $1.9 billion program announced in March of 2022. We expect to complete the $950 million remaining under this authorization in fiscal 2023.

Our Board also recently increased our quarterly cash dividend by 8% to $0.335 per share to be payable on March 31st, 2023 to stockholders of record as of March 14, 2023. Our stock repurchase and increased dividends programs reflect our continued commitment to enhancing stockholder value and returns, as well as our confidence in the strength of our balance sheet and projected future cash flows.

Now, Adam will provide further details on our fourth quarter results and additional color on our outlook for fiscal 2023.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you, Barbara. As previously mentioned, comparable store sales rose 1% for the quarter on top of a 9% gain in the prior year. This slight increase was due to growth in the size of the average basket, as traffic was relatively flat compared to last year.

As Barbara discussed earlier, fourth quarter operating margin of 10.7% was up 90 basis points from 9.8% in 2021. Cost of goods sold grew 15 basis points versus last year due to a combination of factors. Distribution expenses rose 90 basis points, primarily due to timing of packaway-related costs and de-leverage from the opening of our Houston distribution center earlier in the year, while domestic freight and occupancy de-levered by 20 and 5 basis points respectively. Partially offsetting these cost was higher merchandise margin, which grew by 15 basis points as the benefit from lower ocean freight costs more than offset somewhat higher markdowns. Buying expenses also improved by 85 basis points due to lower incentive compensation.

SG&A for the period levered by 105 basis points, again primarily due to lower incentive expense. Now let's discuss our outlook for fiscal 2023. As Barbara noted in our press release, the macroeconomic and geopolitical environments remain highly uncertain, as a result, we believe it is prudent to remain conservative when planning our business. While we hope to do better for the 52 weeks ending January 27, 2024, we are planning comparable store sales to be relatively flat.

If sales perform in line with this plan, we expect earnings per share for 2023 to be in the range of $4.65 to $4.95 compared to $4.38 in fiscal 2022. It is important to note that fiscal 2023 is a 50 three week year. Incorporated in this guidance range is an estimated benefit to earnings per share of approximately $0.15 from the extra week.

Our guidance assumptions for the 2023 year include the following. Total sales are planned to grow by 2% to 5% for the 53 weeks ending February 3rd, 2024. Comparable store sales for the 52 weeks ending January 27, 2024 are planned to be relatively flat. Based on these sales plans, operating margin for the full year is expected to be in the range of 10.3% to 10.7%. This reflects the resetting of the baseline for incentive compensation, higher wages, the deleveraging effect on flattish same-store sales and lower freight costs. Also incorporated in this operating margin guidance is an estimated benefit of about 20 basis points from the 53rd week.

For 2023, we expect to open approximately 100 new locations, comprised of about 75 Ross and 25 dd's DISCOUNTS. As usual these openings do not include our plans to close or relocate about 10 older stores. Net interest income is estimated to be $115 million, depreciation and amortization expense, inclusive of stock based amortization is forecast to be about $570 million for the year.

The tax rate is projected to be about 24% to 25%, and diluted shares outstanding are expected to be approximately $339 million. In addition, capital expenditures for 2023 are planned to be approximately $810 million, as we make further investments in our stores, supply chain, and merchant processes to support our long-term growth and to increase efficiencies throughout the business.

Let's turn now to our guidance for the first quarter. Elevated inflation continues to impact our low to moderate income customer, as such, we are also planning comparable store sales to be relatively flat for the 13 weeks ending April 29, 2023. This compares to a 7% decrease and a 13% gain in the first quarters of 2022 and 2021 respectively. If sales perform in line with this plan, we expect earnings per share for the first quarter of 2023 to be $0.99 to $1.05 versus $0.97 last year.

The operating statement assumptions that support our first quarter guidance, include the following. Total sales are planned to be up 1% to 4% versus last year's first quarter. We would then expect first quarter operating margin to be 9.6% to 9.9% compared to 10.8% last year. The expected decline reflects the deleveraging effect if same-store sales perform in line with our plan, unfavorable timing of packaway-related costs and higher wages.

Further, merchandise margin is forecast to benefit from lower freight costs. We plan to add 19 new stores, consisting of 11 Ross and eight dd's DISCOUNTS during the period. Net interest income is estimated to be $28 million. Our tax rate is expected to be approximately 24% to 25%, and diluted shares are forecast to be about $341 million.

Now, I will turn the call back to Barbara Rentler for closing comments.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you, Adam.To sum up, over the past three years, we have faced a wide range of unprecedented challenges from the COVID pandemic, supply chain disruptions, as well as ongoing inflationary headwinds. These factors have not only negatively impacted our own business, but also our customers' household budgets, their discretionary income and their shopping behaviors. As a result, our shoppers today are seeking even stronger values from visiting our stores. In response, our merchants are fine-tuning our assortments with an increased focus on delivering the most competitive bargains available, while continuing to adjust our product mix, based on our customers' evolving preferences.

Looking ahead, we have significantly increased our focus on strictly controlling inventory and operating expenses throughout the company. We strongly believe that these measures will enable us to maximize our potential for both sales and profit growth in 2023 and beyond. At this point, we'd like to open up the call and respond to any questions you may have.

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Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Lorraine Hutchinson
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask about freight, both of the components within gross margin, how much recovery do you have baked into your guidance for this year versus pre-COVID levels? And then how much opportunity remains for the next year and the year after?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Yeah. So Lorraine, this is Adam. Thanks for the question. Related to merchandise margin Q1 and fiscal 2023 will clearly benefit from lower ocean freight costs, as we anniversary the significantly higher costs from last year. While these costs will drop, they'll likely still be higher than pre-pandemic levels in the short term, but on the ocean side they have clearly dropped dramatically and we'll harvest a significant portion of the increase we have faced over the last three years. On the domestic side because of wages, elevated wages and still higher fuel costs than pre-pandemic, we'll harvest back some of the domestic freight, but not as tangible in 2023 as it will be on the ocean side.

Lorraine Hutchinson
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

[Technical Issues] say some opportunity will remain for fiscal '24?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Probably not prudent to go that far ahead, but it clearly will be a tailwind on both sides for us in 2023 and depending on how much they move in 2023 that we'll, kind of see what's left for 2024.

Lorraine Hutchinson
Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Matthew Boss with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew Boss
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Great, thanks, and congrats on a nice quarter. So, Barbara on fourth quarter same-store sales inflecting back to positive territory, maybe can you just speak to the cadence of traffic that you saw during the quarter. And then on the outlook for flat comps in both 1Q and for the year relative to historically a 1% to 2% starting plan, have you seen a material change in customer behavior post holiday or is this more just taking a prudent stance, given the volatility that you've cited?

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Matthew, hi. It's Michael Hartshorn, on the guidance for the first quarter, as we said in our commentary, with the lasting inflation and highly uncertain macroeconomy ahead of us, we firmly believe it's prudent to be conservative in planning the business internally, this puts us in a chase mode to start the year, both from an inventory open-to-buy perspective and in managing the underlying costs in the business. It's a playbook that we're familiar with. We know well and believe it will allow us to, as we said in the commentary, maximize both the top line and the bottom line in an uncertain environment, and we'll have to see how it plays out for the year.

In terms of traffic data, as we said in the commentary, traffic was relatively flat in the quarter, and that was relatively consistent across the fourth quarter.

Matthew Boss
Analyst at J.P. Morgan

Great. And then maybe just a follow-up on gross margin. So if we exclude the freight recovery, how are you thinking about underlying merchandise margins within this year's guide, meaning, is there any impact we need to think about with some of the changes and mix that you cited, maybe how best to think about price? I mean what I'm really trying to get at is beyond this year, do you think there's any structural underlying change to double-digit earnings growth in this model, if we can get back to that 3% to 4% comp algorithm?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Let me talk a little bit about the long-term operating model. We certainly with ocean freights coming down, would expect to see a big benefit this year. Longer term, the margin improvements will be highly dependent on sustained strong sales growth. But also as we mentioned to a large extent the persistence in the inflationary costs in the business.

We again expect to see ocean freight costs receding this year, but they still remain above pre-pandemic levels in a number of transportation lengths. So that could be a benefit beyond 2023. We also expect to see lower domestic freight rates this year and that's embedded in our guidance, but we see these pressures easing over a longer horizon, and it's somewhat dependent on fuel costs.

Wage costs have risen, but are growing at a slower pace than they did during the pandemic. We expect from a wage perspective that it will be an ongoing pressure, but we are finding ways to be more efficient in the business that's offsetting some of those costs. So all of those taken together, we believe we can grow our EBIT margins and profitability over time. But it'd be very important to drive top line sales growth in that equation.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Mark Altschwager with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Mark Altschwager
Analyst at Robert W. Baird

Great. Thanks for taking my question. In terms of the competitive backdrop, some of the bigger general merchandise retailers look leaner on inventory, especially apparel and discretionary categories heading into the spring. Just curious how that's incorporating into your thinking on comps and potential for some recapture of market share cycling last year. Thank you.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. I think then pulling back on general merchandise potentially to get a sense, gives us an opportunity to grow those businesses since it is such a big part of our business. But I really think regaining, capturing market share, however you want say that really depends on us driving sales and we think that the best way to drive sales is for us to continue to focus on value for our customer, but that's really -- that's really what helped us perform in the fourth quarter is really making sure that we're delivering the best brand to bargain as possible throughout the entire store and that really is our focus that compounded with the fact there's a lot of merchandise in the marketplace, which will enable us to do that.

I think that's really what will help us gain back that market share, whether it's coming from a big box or it's coming from other parts of retail department store, whatever it is, I think that's really the key for our success going forward to drive top line sales.

Operator

Thank you.[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Paul Lejuez with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Paul Lejuez
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Hey, thanks guys. Are you seeing any signs of trade down customers showing up in your stores? I know you said transactions traffic was flat, but curious if the customer base is changing at all, or maybe you're seeing some higher-income folks show up, maybe some of the lower-income folks shop less. And also curious, how you're thinking about the drivers of comp in F '23, from a traffic versus ticket perspective. Thanks.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

On the. Trade-down customer there isn't, what we see in our data, a material shift in spending trends across the different income demographics. So, at this point for us, we don't see any evidence that the trade down -- that there is that trade down customer is impacting our business.

On how we're thinking about the business going forward, we don't typically plan the business based on the components of the transaction, as Barbara said, our focus is on value in off price, value will lead to better traffic, it will lead to a higher basket, if you offer great deals to the customer and that's how we're thinking about the business going forward.

Paul Lejuez
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Got it. And can you just share what your home versus apparel comps were in 4Q, also curious about California, Florida, Texas performance.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. The home sales were slightly above the chain average. And then overall apparel, non-apparel performance was relatively similar. And the thing that -- part of what really drove home is that home has the highest penetration of gifting and that part of our business performed well.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

And Paul, on the geography side, Florida, as we mentioned it was the strongest market. Regarding our other large markets, California performed slightly above the chain average, and Texas tracked in line with the chain's average. With all that said, we did not see a lot of deviation in the numbers by geographic area.

Paul Lejuez
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Got it. Thank you. Good luck.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Thanks.

Operator

And the next question is from the line of Michael Binetti with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Binetti
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Hey guys, thanks for taking our questions here. Could you unpack how you're thinking about the merch margin excluding the freight for the year, that I guess the product margin? Just trying to think -- just trying to marry up what you guys are seeing on the inventory buys, and how pricing can lead us to the product margin this year?

And then I guess a pretty simple one, Michael, when you guys think about the puts and takes on or Michael or Adam, I should say puts and takes on the margins and the buckets that you pointed to, resetting the incentive comp for higher wages, the flat same-store sales impact and the lower freight cost. Can you speak to how the upside would flow through on the point of comp this year? And they always give us some -- the framework of about 15 basis points I think for memory. What's better in the composition of the model this year?

What's worse than normal on a point of upside in the comp?

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Michael, you got it exactly right. One point of comp is approximately 10 to 15 basis-point of margin expansion, so that hasn't changed.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

And Michael, I'll jump in. So like on operating margin, the moving parts in 2023, so first of all, we're planning the flat comp which will cause some amount of de-leverage. As you mentioned, we have to reset our incentive cost at target levels, so 2022 was clearly an underperforming year for us and that was on top of 2021 where we significantly overperformed our plan. So for 2023, we will reset that baseline at target levels.

Michael mentioned earlier, we've seen wage increases, both in our stores and our distribution centers, and while that's easing, we've not been able to fully mitigate those increases within the stores, by driving other efficiencies. And then my earlier comments on freight, we expected news on both sides, but more dramatic improvement on the ocean side.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

And then in terms of buying, Michael, I know you know there's a lot of merchandise out in the marketplace. But the way we're looking at that now is, we're really highly focused on value, and giving our customers the best value possible. And so that very much depends on our mix on the buys what we're doing and really driving broad base across the company. I can't emphasize this enough the best value possible that we can, because that really, our customer is under such inflationary pressures that it definitely is impacting our spend, and so our discretionary spend, and so that's really how we're thinking about that. Making sure that our values are correct, and that we have a good, better, best strategy, and she really feels great about what she buys and that is compelling to come to the store. And so those AURs since it would take us down the path of AUR, it's not a direct opening price point strategy, it really is good, better, best strategy, based on the brands that we have out there so that she can really get the value that she has come to expect from us.

Michael Binetti
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Barbara, could I chase, that was a question on how you think about what are the biggest opportunities that you see to go after some market share this year to help, if there is an opportunity to drive comp above flat, maybe it's from the ability to compete better anything that stands out to you earlier in the year?

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

I think there is -- well, I think there is a few things, just internally, we had our own internal issues, obviously last year within our assortments. So correcting those issues right now is important to us, just from a balance and mix perspective, based off of the carrier issues and the things that went wrong last year. I think that's probably first and foremost, getting that corrected, and then really rightsizing again our values that we're offering to customer, and understanding what our pricing strategy really is and hitting all three customers.

Then outside of that is, if we execute better, history would tell us, and we chase which is what we do best in a time where there's a lot of merchandise in the market, which there is, we should be able to drive sales, and take market share, and that market share as you know can come from any bucket of merchandising now since everyone is -- whether it's big boxes where everyone is in the game now. So I think that's kind of the formula for us to correct issues from last year, to get our value straight and so that the customer really is getting a great deal, maximizing those closeouts in the market.

And listen, remember, we have a very large merchant team, we have 900 merchants. And so -- and strong relationships in the market. So now is the time for us to maximize on that, and to really give the customer what she has come to expect from us, and to get ourselves set. And if we do those things, then I think we will -- we'll get ourselves on the track we want to be on and continue to grow and gain market share.

Michael Binetti
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Thanks a lot, Barbara. Appreciate it.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Welcome.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Alex Straton with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Alexandra Straton
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks so much for taking my question here. It sounds like sales recovery is key to returning to pre-COVID margin and the earnings algorithm. But are you exploring ways to kind of offset that, while top line growth is underperforming that typical algorithm? Maybe put differently, what specific levers do you have in COGS or SG&A to offset some of the freight and wage headwinds you're seeing this year?

I know you mentioned some efficiencies, but any examples there, levers broadly would be helpful to hear. Thank you.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. You'll see in our capital spend this year, we have about $810 million included in that, and one of the biggest increases, there are technology investments that we're making. And some examples of that would be automation in our distribution centers. It would be looking at store-level activities and providing technology to make those more efficient in all of our stores. For instance, how our associates mark down goods, how they receive in the backroom, and making sure we can continue to have associates focusing on customer-facing activities.

So those are a few of those examples. And we have -- as we have over the years, have a roadmap of efficiencies that we'll continue to work on as an organization and drive into the P&L.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Ike Boruchow with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Jesse Sobelson
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Hi, everyone. This is Jesse Sobelson on for Ike. I believe at the beginning of last year's first quarter the buying environment was just beginning to turn into a tailwind for you guys. So how does the environment look today versus this time last year, and then versus maybe six months ago?

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. The buying environment right now is very good. I mean it's -- there is a lot of there's a lot of merchandise, it's very broad-based, it's across all different classifications and types of products. So the buying environment is probably as good as it gets right now. I would say that, that environment has been there though for the last few months and started at the beginning of last year, just times perhaps differently, depending upon what type of product it was, and when they came in, all going back to the carrier issue right?

So, everyone was kind of -- vendors were kind of late in receiving their goods, because people couldn't really control the way the freight came in. So it's been here for a while. I would think at this point in time, a lot of stores have promoting to get their inventories in line in store, but the vendor community is still -- has a lot of merchandise that they'd like to move through and take them forward to newness to the next year. So I think it's very good now, I think it's been good, and I think it will be good for a while, as the vendors are trying to work through that, and understand what that looks like, and then understand what kind of inventory position they want to take go forward, as opposed to having a result that's coming from the carrier issues that everybody kind of felt at the same time, So...

Jesse Sobelson
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Great, thank you.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Adrienne Yih with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst at Barclays Capital

Great, thank you very much. Of course just a housekeeping. Is it fair to use $200 million and $250 million in sales for that 53rd week? And then, Barbara, I think maybe this is for you. What is the issue with further packaway timing? And I know packaway ended up at 40%, but that's still below kind of run rate norm. And I'm just thinking at the environment super conducive. Would you not want to kind of have that short stake, because I know you guys do it more on a four month or less or whatever shorter duration?

And then lastly it's going to shrink. I think you do it once a year, but what shrink as a percent of sales in a normal backdrop, where-is it today? Thank you so much. Sorry to interrupt.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Okay. No problem. So the packaway is 40% overall deal is that we feel very, very good about. You have to remember that in the beginning of last year, and you'll see that as we go along we had all those late goods that were home goods that we took into our DCs, which was an increased part of our packaway. The 40% that we have in there right now, we feel very good about. And buying packaway is an art, you can buy a lot of packaway anytime you want, right? But the packaway you put in there, you have to feel it's great product, at great values and right now with the buying environment being very favorable with really quite frankly broad access to some really key brands, you can be very judicious about what you put in packaway, and how you time that and what that looks like.

So I'd say we feel good about the position we're in today. We have a tremendous amount of liquidity, and we really feel like we're in a good place.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst at Barclays Capital

Very helpful.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Adrienne, on shrink, so our shrink, we don't disclose what it is externally, but it is a place where we constantly invest, whether it's security tags or new equipment in the stores. If you've been in our stores, you'll see we have people in front of the store and our shrink was slightly higher this year as we closed out the year.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

And Adrian on your... [Speech Overlap]

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Yeah. Go ahead.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Well, I was just going to jump in on the 53rd week. So little bit higher than what you said, we can think about it as an additional week. It is somewhat pro rata but then downward calibrated a little bit, that it's call it, January, February week, and lighter than an average week.

Adrienne Yih
Analyst at Barclays Capital

Perfect. Thank you very much and best of luck.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question.

Gordon Haskett
Analyst at Gordon Haskett

Hey, thanks very much. Curious your stores in higher demographic markets performed better in stores in lower income demographic markets. And second follow-up, there is a lot of talk about SNAP cuts next month and lower tax refunds this year versus last. Curious how much of a potential headwind that could be for you guys over the next couple of months?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Yeah, we'll have to see on the tax refund, they just started to come out last week, and that does have an impact, especially for dd's business, but we'll have to see how that plays out. We certainly, where we're coming into it, the tax refunds could be lower. So we'll have to see how it plays out, but certainly that is a customer that can be impacted by both the tax refunds and the SNAP benefits.

On your other question, I think you asked a question around demographics and I think I answered this earlier with Paul. We have not seen a material shift in spending across different income demographics.

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Brooke Roach
Brooke Roach at Ross Stores

Barbara, it sounds like, you continue to see opportunities to right size the value that you offer the consumer to go after that market share that's available to you and that you're still looking to optimize that value. Can you talk a little bit more about the actions that your buying team can take to ensure that you're offering that value. And can you contextualize that with the higher rate of markdowns that you also saw in the quarter? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. Well, obviously when there's a lot of merchandise in the marketplace the buyers are out looking for really great deals. So it starts with being in the market, having good relationships, and really getting the deals at the prices that the customer wants and then offering that value to the customer. So I think that's critical for what's going on in the world today. It's always been critical for us delivering branded bargains and I think today it's even more important than it's been before.

In terms of just rightsizing the value, just as a concept of rightsizing the value, I think that's really from putting things out there and watching things turn, watching things -- watching the customer vote, and then making the adjustments based off of what she is telling us, whether it's in the assortment and the products that she wants or whether it's in the retail that we put it in. And Brooke, what was the second question?

Brooke Roach
Brooke Roach at Ross Stores

And the second question was just how to think about the time line of getting that on from a markdown perspective. It sounds like making the adjustments that require some markdown and so does the markdown has to increase year-on-year as you move through 2023?

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

We took -- okay, I understand. So we took somewhat slightly higher markdowns in the fourth quarter, and we made sure that when we came out of the fourth quarter, that we really came out of everything clean, that we took everything. And if the value wasn't right, we didn't wait, we took markdowns, they were somewhat higher, they weren't that much higher, they were [Technical Issues] higher. And so if you're rightsizing your values going forward, you wouldn't expect to be taking additional markdowns. The key is to drive receipts, which drives sales.

So if we have the right values and return quick enough we'll drive receipts which will drive sales which will put us in a healthy position.

Brooke Roach
Brooke Roach at Ross Stores

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey with the Telsey Group. Please proceed with your questions.

Dana Telsey
Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group

Good afternoon, everyone. As you think about the real estate portfolio in the stores, we obviously have heard about some of the space availabilities from a Bed Bath or Party City. Is this an opportunity for you and does it at all change the cadence of store openings or the location, the regions prior to 2023 or 2024 in your outlook? Thank you.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Hi, Dana. Certainly, Bed Bath & Beyond and Party City like they have been historically, anytime there's retail bankruptcies that's provided us opportunities from new store locations. I would say at this point, it hasn't changed our outlook. We will review a potential new site on a store-by-store basis, and if it's appropriate for a Ross and dd's location, we can certainly add it to our portfolio.

But as we think about 2023, as we said in the commentary, we think it's about 100 new locations, about 75, Ross and 25 dd's.

Dana Telsey
Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group

Got it. And then Barbara, just on the category mix, what was the weakest and what do you see as opportunities on the category side as we go through 2023? Thank you.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

The business pretty much performed at the same level. I mean, obviously, some things are better. I mean home and gifting with very good shoes was very good. But if I look at shoes from a two year basis, the year before we had carrier issues, which also helped us to drive some sales this year. I think the key is to get the category mix balance to what the customer wants. And I think last year with the carrier issues and with some of the things that went on in our assortments, that we didn't have that.

So I think now it's really identifying what she wants, making those moves to ensure that we are delivering the products that she's moving towards as things continue to evolve in her assortment, and just being on target with that, making sure we're making moves quick enough, fast enough and the advantage when there's a lot of goods in the marketplace, it allows you to do more of these things and oftentimes, sometimes be able to make some bolder moves.

So I think that's kind of how I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about just getting our inventories and classifications in line and then more fine-tuning to what -- if we were talking about this a few months ago, we would be saying people now want career pants versus casual, right? But I'm thinking more broader that with all the carrier issues that went on, delivery issues and everything else, that things were not exactly the way we would like them to have been even if we wanted them to be there. It just -- it wasn't balanced.

So I think that's our number one thing is, getting ourselves back in line. We made a lot of those moves into the fourth quarter and getting ourselves repositioned to where we want to be. and then going again hand-in-hand with making sure we come in clean into the year clean from an inventory position and then giving ourselves the flexibility to go in the market and buy it the way the customer wants it and sees it.

Dana Telsey
Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Simeon Siegel
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Hey, good afternoon. Could you discuss what like-for-like AUR look like versus mix shift-driven AUR maybe? And then a dumb question. I think interest income came in nicely higher this quarter, and if I heard correctly, I think you're expecting a pretty nice jump or a nice number this year as well. Is that just a function of higher rates? And does it impact your capital return strategy? And maybe just given how large the cash balance is, any broader thoughts on your uses of cash with all the moving pieces? Thank you.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. The interest income is entirely driven by our cash balances, that's invested in government-backed securities. So as interest rates have risen, we're getting a benefit there. In terms of how we're thinking about use of cash, and I guess just in general capital allocation, we will, as we always do, first invest in the business to support profitable growth. We also plan to pay down COVID-related debt that begins to mature over the next few years in '24 and '25 is when those first tranches mature. And then we'd expect to grow our shareholder payouts as the business grows, as I said, deliberately over time, and we do that in a very deliberate and reliable manner over time.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

And then in terms of our AUR, our AUR has been relatively flat despite all the different shifts and moving parts in the business. So some of that comes from valuing some areas differently or products differently in other businesses coming up because obviously, shoes has a higher AUR than some of our other businesses. So that's really where we stand today, how we're thinking about it.

Simeon Siegel
Analyst at BMO Capital Markets

Great, thanks a lot. Best of luck for the year.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Jay Sole with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Jay Sole
Analyst at UBS Group

Great, thank you so much. I'm wondering if you can elaborate a little bit on some of the higher wages that you mentioned as a driver of the EBIT margin in the first quarter this year. Can you just talk about the impact on what you're seeing at the store level versus like, say, a warehousing level versus at a corporate level, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Sure. I mean it's been a competitive market across all three of those for some time. What we saw during COVID is the biggest pressure we had was in the distribution center line item, and that we've seen the pressure there slow down considerably. And for the stores, we continue to take a market-by-market approach to staffing them and increasing wages where appropriate. In addition, as you know, there's growing statutory minimum wages for us in almost half of our store base, and that includes both state wide and local municipality minimum wages. But overall, it's really driven at this point by those minimum wage increases. I would say we feel good about the workforce in totality and are confident about what we have in place for the year.

Jay Sole
Analyst at UBS Group

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Laura Champine with Loop Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Laura Champine
Analyst at Loop Capital

Crossing my fingers you'll answer this one, but are you currently trending in line with your first-quarter guide?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

We wouldn't, our practice is Laura to not comment on inter-quarter trends.

Laura Champine
Analyst at Loop Capital

Understood. Is the guidance for the full year comp to be flat, would that assume that traffic is roughly flat this year?

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

We -- again we don't plan the business around traffic or transaction. Our view has always been, if we provide the great branded bargains to the customer that will be a combination of one bringing more customers to the store, and two, when they're in the store, increasing the size of the average basket. What's happened over the last several years is that basket has grown. And even into last year on top of the stimulus year the customer is buying more when they're coming to store.

Laura Champine
Analyst at Loop Capital

Let me see if I can get this one. The gross margin, and this is last -- the gross margin commentary that you've made, is that consistent with taking more markdowns this year for the year as a whole compared to last year?

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Laura, we don't guide really at that component level of merchandise margin, but obviously, our markdown levels will be highly dependent on if we deliver our sales plan and by the right goods. The biggest moving part as we said, in merchandise margin will be the ocean freight cost reductions that we're seeing in the marketplace.

Laura Champine
Analyst at Loop Capital

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.

Aneesha Sherman
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Thank you. So the comp guidance for the full year implies a four year stack of 10 a CAGR of just over 2%, which is quite a bit lower than your historical pre-COVID performance. Are you still -- do you still believe in the medium term algo being kind of a little bit higher than that around the 3% comp algo? Or is there something structural about the comps that you think will decelerate even beyond this year? And then, Michael, you talked about the sensitivity of margins to comp, but with higher wages now embedded into your cost structure, has that sensitivity changed? Or is it still a similar sensitivity as what you've talked about in the past?

Michael J. Hartshorn
Group President and Chief Operating Officer at Ross Stores

Hi, Aneesha. On the guidance, it's hard to comment on structural in this environment. As we guide the year, it's really a function of us wanting to be very conservative in a blasting inflationary environment, and a macro economy that we'll see how that plays out later in the year. So I don't think there's anything to read into that at this point. Obviously, we hope to beat the guidance. We think it's a good way to run our business in an uncertain environment.

In terms of the long-term algorithm, it certainly doesn't change, as I said earlier, that a beat to comp is 10 to 15 basis points upside. And then longer term, we think if we can grow the 3% to 4% comp as we did historically prior to COVID that we'd be able to leverage the P&L.

Aneesha Sherman
Analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And our final question comes from the line of Corey Tarlowe with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Corey Tarlowe
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Hi, good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. You mentioned that shoes had done pretty well a few times. Is there any way to parse out maybe whether it was in formal or casual what did better? And then I know availability is quite robust, but across your good, better, best strategy, is there any particular segment within those three that's maybe you're seeing a little bit better availability? And then just lastly on capex. Historically, you're usually around, I think, like $500 million or so in capex, and now I think in this year, you're expecting to do $800 million and in this coming year as well, another $800 million. So could you just parse out maybe what the incremental spend is really going to be? I know you talked a little bit about automation, but just curious what else there is in there. Thank you.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

So let me start with shoes. So the shoe business is pretty broad based. I would say that athletic performed slightly better than Bram shoes, but the shoe business again, the shoe industry had issues delivering we have to remember that in 2021 with the whole carrier issues. So it is pretty broad-based and [Technical Issues] three buckets. So I think that's a little unusual, but that is what -- that's kind of going on out there at this moment.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

And Corey, on capex, so our $810 million will roughly be 40% new and existing stores, 40% distribution centers, and about 20% technology and other investments. And I would say with our store -- new store opening plan of 100 new stores, that's -- those levels are consistent with pre-pandemic levels from a mix standpoint, the distribution line, probably a little bit inflated as we ramp up capacity to support our long-term growth and then the technology side is a ramp-up as we're making investments not only from a customer convenience standpoint in the stores but also building capabilities and additional tools in the merchandising organization.

Corey Tarlowe
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Great. Thank you very much. Best of luck.

Adam Orvos
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ross Stores

Thank you.

Operator

And at this time, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And now I would like to turn the call back over to Barbara Rentler for closing remarks.

Barbara Rentler
Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer at Ross Stores

Thanks joining us today for your interest in Ross Stores.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Corporate Executives
  • Barbara Rentler
    Vice Chair and Chief Executive Officer
  • Adam Orvos
    Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
  • Michael J. Hartshorn
    Group President and Chief Operating Officer
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