World Kinect Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 25, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the WSFS Financial Corporation First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer I'd now like to turn the call over to your host for today, Mr. Dominic Tannuso, Chief Financial Officer. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Brent, and thanks to all of you for taking the time to participate on our call today. With me on this call are Roger Levinson, Chairman, President and CEO Art Bacci, Chief Wealth Officer Steve Clark, Chief Commercial Banking Officer and Sherry Krasinski, Chief Consumer Banking Officer. Before I begin with remarks on the quarter, I would like to read our Safe Harbor statement. Our discussion today will include information about our management's view of our future to the call to questions. Actual results may differ materially from historical results or those indicated by these forward looking statements due to risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to the risk factors included in our annual report on Form 10 ks and our most recent quarterly reports on Form 10 Q, as well as other documents we periodically file with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 1

All comments made during today's call are subject to the Safe Harbor statement. Good afternoon, and thank you again for joining our Q1 2023 earnings call. Our earnings release and earnings release supplement, which we will refer to on today's call, can be found in the Investor Relations section of our company's website. The strength of the WSYS franchise was demonstrated in this unique quarter. As a result of our relationship based banking model, concentration risk management and diversified fee revenues.

Speaker 1

1st quarter core PPNR percent was 2.29% and core ROA was 1.27%. Given the significant noise and disruption throughout the industry during the quarter, I will first share details and perspectives on the strength and composition of our to customer deposit base, liquidity capacity and capital position, followed by additional details on our financial performance in the quarter. Shown on Slide 4, our customer deposit franchise is very diversified with significant deposits from our consumer branch network, to commercial, small business, trust and wealth lines of business with a bank average balance per account of $33,000 We also have granular concentrations with no more than 5% of deposits sourced from any one industry. 73% of our deposits are insured and protected with 64% FDIC insured and another 9% collateralized or otherwise protected. Non interest bearing demand deposits comprised 33% of customer deposits with no and low interest demand making up 53%.

Speaker 1

From year end 2022 through March 8, Deposits were flat and declined 1% in the full quarter. Presented on Slide 8, At quarter end, we utilized $1,100,000,000 of wholesale funding, which is only 6% of total balance sheet funding and 13% of totally readily available funding, leaving $7,900,000,000 of readily available and secured borrowing capacity. This capacity equates to 50% of customer deposits and almost double uninsured and unprotected deposits. Capital levels remain well above well capitalized. Illustrated on Slide 12, we provide details of our investment portfolio and capital levels.

Speaker 1

When reducing capital by the effective AOCI, which includes the full impact of the HTM portfolio. All regulatory bank ratios remain above well capitalized. Detailed on Slide 5, gross loans grew $230,000,000 in the quarter with $155,000,000 from commercial and $68,000,000 from our Spring EQ consumer partnership. Our consumer loan growth moderated in the quarter as the Upstart portfolio was flat at $237,000,000 or 2% of total gross loans. Our commercial loan composition is highly diversified in both to C and I and owner occupied portfolio and the CRE investor and construction portfolio as seen on Page 6.

Speaker 1

The Q1 net interest margin was 4.25 percent with loan yields increasing 44 basis points to 6.42 percent as more than 50% of total loans are variable. The interest bearing deposit beta increased to 28%, resulting in total deposit cost of 80 basis points in the quarter with no and low interest demand deposit cost of 23 basis points. With over 25 discrete fee lines of to businesses or products. Core fee revenue was $63,700,000 with 5% growth versus the Q1 of 2022. With a core fee revenue ratio of 25.8%.

Speaker 1

Wealth Management contributed just under 50% of total core fees. Excluding fee income from BMT Insurance Advisors, which was sold in 2Q of 2022, to the year over year fee growth was 7%. The core efficiency ratio in the quarter was 53.9 to demonstrating continued discipline in cost management. Expenses in the quarter included a $2,300,000 benefit for a couple of non reoccurring items in salary and benefits. When excluding these items, the efficiency ratio would be approximately 55%.

Speaker 1

Overall asset quality remained relatively stable as shown on Slides to 10 and 11. Problem assets continued to post COVID positive trends and NPAs to remain stable and at historical lows. Delinquencies increased 32 basis points to 83 basis points of gross loans, primarily due to 2 C and I long term problem loan relationships, with one of these relationships still accruing. Although these relationships pertain to long term care facilities, our overall long term care portfolio Approximately $130,000,000 in total outstanding or 1% of gross loans. In the quarter, net charge offs increased to 40 basis points of average gross loans, driven by slightly higher commercial portfolio charge offs, normal maturation of both new lane leasing and the upstart portfolio along with lower recoveries in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Provision in the quarter was $29,000,000 which includes a $17,300,000 increase in the ACL due to economic forecast and uncertainty along with new loan originations and other credit trends in the portfolio. The ACL coverage ratio increased 11 basis points to 1.28% and is 1 point 5 0% when including estimated remaining credit marks on the acquired portfolio. Clearly, there are rapidly changing dynamics in our industry impacting the financial results, and this uncertainty is expected to continue. As we typically do each year, we will provide an update to our full year outlook when we report our 2nd quarter earnings. In summary, overall, we had a solid performance in the quarter with a strong ending balance sheet.

Speaker 1

And while uncertainty remains in the macroeconomic outlook and near term market conditions, Wixis is well positioned to continue to focus and on our strategic plan objectives and to serve our current customers and communities. We will now open the line to answer any questions you may have.

Operator

Your first question is from the line of Frank Schiraldi with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hi, guys. Just wondered if you could, Dominic, talk a little bit about and recognizing that you will update guidance next quarter, but any sort of color you can give on thoughts, updated thoughts on deposit data just given what we saw in the industry late in the quarter and what you guys saw in mix shift in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Sure. Thanks, Frank. Clearly, deposit betas had stepped up in the quarter to 28%. That's slightly higher than the run rate expected at the earlier stages of the year. Our outlook at the beginning of the year suggested that deposit betas would end 2023 in the high 30s.

Speaker 1

Given the disruption in the higher rate environment, It's possible that those deposit betas end in the mid high 40s, but it's still clearly early in the year.

Speaker 2

Okay. And that's interest bearing deposit beta, correct?

Speaker 3

That is correct.

Speaker 2

And then just if you can share with us, I know you Given the trust business, there's some nuances to your deposit base. But I wonder if you could maybe talk a little bit about the non interest Bearing portion of the deposit base and where you see I don't know if you can talk to what you've seen early here in the Q2. But just curious what your thoughts are on maybe Continued outflows there or where you could see maybe these levels stabilizing as a percentage of total deposits?

Speaker 1

Sure, Frank. So I would say we continue to see opportunity overall to grow the trust deposit business, but it is impacted by flows in capital markets. And given the disruption in the rate environment and the liquidity environment, those have slowed. Much of that is non interest bearing, however, some are. And we would expect to continue to be competitive and look for opportunities to grow.

Speaker 1

But similar to the market conditions in the near term, it may be a little bit difficult to predict the pace of new deals coming to market and the deposits from that business. But overall, we believe we're well positioned to grow our market share and increase deposits over time.

Speaker 2

And then just lastly, if I could, just given some of the uncertainty you spoke to in the industry at large, What are your any updated thoughts on putting capital to work through Organic growth and how you how that sort of stacks up against further buybacks here in the near term?

Speaker 1

Sure. As we've said in the past, when we think about our capital return philosophy, we first look through the lens of to the economic and credit environment then look to fund organic growth and inorganic growth and then to the extent there is excess capacity, we would return that to shareholders. Given the environment we're in, we continue to evaluate that macroeconomic and credit environment and we'll typically as we do take a quarter to quarter basis for those share repurchases. There continues to be opportunity for organic loan growth as seen in the quarter and we will continue to serve our customers, retain our customers and grow where we feel appropriate, but we believe we have capacity to do that.

Speaker 2

Okay. All right, great. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Frank.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Freddie Strickland with Janney. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 4

Hi, Feddy.

Speaker 5

Thanks for the detail on the deck on liquidity. Am I understanding correctly, you have $4,200,000,000 of capacity of FHLB based on currently pledged securities. And then that $2,100,000,000 is unpledged but pledgeable, so there's about $6,300,000,000 total capacity at FHLB, is that right?

Speaker 1

That's right. That's the distinction we've made to differentiate between what's readily available and what we could do over time to increase our capacity if needed.

Speaker 5

Got it. And given that, do you expect that you'll continue to utilize wholesale funding, just be a brokered and FHLB borrowings on the balance sheet and I guess is the trajectory higher from here for that?

Speaker 1

Clearly, that will be driven by net loan growth and we do expect the investment portfolio to continue to cash to the trends we would utilize wholesale funding and typically we would be opportunistic across the various sources based on rate. What we focused on more recently was brokered CDs given the advantage we have on the rate side there, but we would leverage all lending sources as

Speaker 5

Got it. And then just one last one for me. Just trying to interpret where we see provision going from here and understand you guys will provide updated guidance next quarter. But I understand economic factors change this quarter, but does that mean provision continues to be around this $30,000,000 a quarter number all else equal? Or is that change now factored in and we see provision potentially normalize back to something around the 4th quarter number.

Speaker 1

Yes. So it's a good question. I think as the ACL model incorporates forecast itself, I think it has captured to the current level of economic uncertainty and forecast, but that could change by the quarter. It will primarily be driven by the net Loan growth and mix in the portfolio. This quarter was relatively outsized as we stepped up from a 1.17% ACL coverage to the 1.28.

Speaker 1

We feel good that that represents the risk identified in the forecast that we're using. From here on out, it's really going to be driven on that economic forecast and the net loan growth.

Speaker 5

Got it. That makes sense to me. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Penny.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Tim Switzer with KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, thank you for taking my question. I'm on for Mike Perito.

Speaker 3

Hi, Tim.

Speaker 6

I had a quick follow-up on kind of the credit talks there. It seems like a lot of the charge off this quarter was driven by your consumer portfolio such as Upstart. Can you talk about the expected impact as that normalization continues like where net charge Could drift from here at least the impact from those select consumer portfolios.

Speaker 1

Sure. The first thing I would clarify though is they still continue to be relatively small in the charge off pool. But because they are maturing portfolios, they had stepped up over the last few quarters, we would expect UpStar and New Lane Leasing from here to be relatively stable and then really driven by to the larger portfolios.

Speaker 6

Okay. Were you saying you expect the charge offs to be stable or the size of those portfolios?

Speaker 1

The size of the portfolios.

Speaker 6

Okay. All right. That's understood. And On the securities portfolio, have you guys seen any opportunities to maybe reposition it a little bit or sell some parts when you get some rate volatility, maybe gives you an to sell and redeploying to some fields or something like that.

Speaker 1

Sure. Great question. And as a reminder, We continue to evaluate that portfolio in the Q2 of 2022. We did reposition about $1,000,000,000 from AFS to HTM. We continue to monitor at this point in time it would be NPV negative and given our liquidity position and capital positions.

Speaker 1

We're comfortable with the investment portfolio cash flowing at this point in time.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's all for me. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Tim.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Russell Gunther with Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, good afternoon, guys. I wanted to ask on hey, Dominic, on the loan growth outlook and appetite, whether yours has changed at all, and if you're seeing any opportunity from a commercial lender lift out perspective as perhaps some peers with dial back expectations struggle a bit.

Speaker 7

Hey, Russell. This is Steve Clark speaking. So I would say broadly, we remain open for business And we certainly continue to entertain both C and I and CRE opportunities. I would say the focus Is on supporting our customer base and certainly the bar is higher in the CRE space. But we believe staying relationship focused when there is It has to be a meaningful new relationship coming to us and we'll entertain that.

Speaker 7

In terms of talking to other potential relationship managers in the market. There certainly is disruption. We have ongoing dialogue with candidates across the footprint and we'll just have to see where that leads. Nothing definitive at this point in time.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. I appreciate that. And then, Dominic, are you guys contemplating any steps to kind of lock in asset sensitivity as we think about the potential for rates to go the other way, maybe as early as the beginning of next year.

Speaker 1

Yes, absolutely. We continue to evaluate our interest rate risk profile, particularly the asset to the potential for a down rate environment, although that may be a little longer than expected. And we have taken some to put some floors in place, again, really managing more from an interest rate risk profile perspective Then significant changes in the overall asset sensitivity of the balance sheet. Okay.

Speaker 3

Got it. Helpful. And then Just the last one for me, appreciated the thought around where interest bearing deposit betas may end up. Are you guys able to share kind of what the March margin was and kind of where the cost of deposits exited the quarter? Sure.

Speaker 1

I can share, we in the materials show an 80 basis point cost of deposits that ended to March just under 1%. Okay, great.

Speaker 3

All right. That's it for me guys. Thanks very much.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Russell.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Manuel Nieves with D. A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Hi, Emmanuel.

Speaker 4

What should we expect out of kind of medium term loss rates in the New Lane portfolio or the upstart portfolio.

Speaker 1

Sure. Yes. So we've underwritten the Upstart portfolio to the mid-six levels and have reserved for those levels. They are just starting to approach the model levels as the portfolio matures. Similarly on the leasing portfolio, it's going to be around 1%, if not just under and again as that Total book matures as it's getting to, we would see those levels stabilized.

Speaker 4

You were getting on the leases about 9% yields last quarter. Is there an update to that number this quarter?

Speaker 1

Yes. It's I believe slightly over 10% at this point.

Speaker 4

On new leases?

Speaker 1

Yes, a new business.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Speaker 4

And roughly what's the upstart yields currently?

Speaker 1

Currently, it's about 16%.

Speaker 4

I appreciate that. Most of my other questions have been answered. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Manuel.

Operator

And with no further questions in the queue, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Canuso.

Speaker 1

Thank you for joining the call today. If you have any specific follow-up questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. Also, Roger and I will be attending conferences and investor meetings throughout the quarter, and we look forward to meeting with many of you then. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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