Boston Properties Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 26, 2023

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Day and

Speaker 1

thank you for standing by. Welcome to Q1 2023 BXP Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Speaker 1

I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Helen Hahn, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and welcome to DXP's Q1 2023 earnings conference call. The press release and supplemental package were distributed last night and furnished on Form 8 ks. In the supplemental package, BXP has reconciled all non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in accordance with Reg G. If you did not receive a copy, these documents are available in the Investors section of our website at investors. Bxp.com.

Speaker 2

A webcast of this call will be available for 12 months. At this time, we would like to inform you that certain statements made during this conference call, which are not historical and may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Although BXP believes the expectations reflected in Any forward looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be attained. Factors and risks That could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward looking statements were detailed in yesterday's press release and from time to time in DXP's filings with the SEC. DXP does not undertake a duty to update any forward looking statements.

Speaker 2

I'd like to welcome Owen Thomas, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Doug Linde, President and Mike LaBelle, Chief Financial Officer. During the Q and A portion of our call, Ray Richey, Senior Executive Vice President and our regional management teams will be available to address any questions. We ask that those of you participating in the Q and A portion of the call to please limit yourself to one question. If you have an additional query or follow-up, Please feel free to rejoin the queue. I would now like to turn the call over to Owen Thomas for his formal remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Helen, and good morning, everyone. Today, I'll cover BXP's continued steady operating performance as demonstrated in our Q1 Results, the key economic and market trends impacting our company and BXP's capital allocation activities and funding. Despite significant economic headwinds, BXP continued to perform in the Q1. Our FFO per share was above both consensus in the midpoint of our guidance and we increased our FFO per share guidance for all of 2023. We completed 660,000 square feet of leasing in the Q1 with a weighted average lease term of 7.7 years and kept occupancy flat despite more challenging leasing market conditions.

Speaker 3

Finally, BXP just published its 2022 ESG report and announced our 2nd annual ESG investor webcast for May 31. Though the office sector is clearly facing challenges in the current economic environment, there are 2 underappreciated trends, which we believe will have a significant impact on BXP's longer term performance. 1st, The deceleration in leasing, which we forecasted last year and are now experiencing, is driven primarily by the economic slowdown, A cyclical trend rather than remote work, a secular trend. In other words, we believe the current leasing slowdown is cyclical and will Our clear evidence for this observation is our own leasing experience. In 2022, when the economy was much stronger and significantly fewer workers were using their offices, we leased 5,800,000 Square Feet, essentially a And our leasing has slowed.

Speaker 3

Though we are not in a recession defined as negative GDP growth, Approximately 75% of S and P 500 Companies are forecasting lower earnings this quarter and aggregate earnings are expected to drop over 6%. There are seemingly daily announcements of corporate layoffs. With slowing growth, companies are more focused on cost control, reducing headcount and taking less or reducing their space. In addition, capital market volatility on the heels of recent bank failures drives companies With more challenging economic conditions, the return to office trend continues to improve. Major tech companies have announced return to work Expectations and specific policies and many companies in a variety of industries continue to tighten their requirements, increasing the days expected in the office.

Speaker 3

President Biden has mandated a substantial increase for in person work at federal offices. U. S. West Coast cities, though improving, remain behind the rest of the U. S.

Speaker 3

And other global business centers in their return to office work. The second underappreciated trend is office users are much more The Premier Workplace segment continues to materially outperform the broader office market. Users are compelled to upgrade their buildings and workspaces to Clients increasingly prefer assets with the highest quality managers and consistent and stable ownership. Buildings facing debt default do not have the tenant improvement and leasing commission capital available to complete leases and are therefore uncompetitive. Lastly, full or significant remote work is more frequently allowed and practiced for support workers across industries In areas such as accounting, IT and HR, this segment of the workforce does not as commonly occupy premier workplace assets, putting more pressure on the market for lower quality buildings.

Speaker 3

As described previously, CBRE is tracking the performance of Premier Workplaces in the U. S. And for the 5 CBDs where BXP operates, premier workplaces represent approximately 17% Of the 733,000,000 square feet of space and less than 10% of the total buildings. In the Q1 This year, direct vacancy for Premier Workplaces increased only 20 basis points to 10.7%, While direct vacancy for the balance of the market increased 80 basis points to 15.5%. Also for the Q1, net absorption for the Premier segment was a negative 200,000 square feet versus a negative 3,300,000 square feet for the balance of the market.

Speaker 3

For the last nine quarters, net absorption for the Premier segment was a positive 6,900,000 Square Feet versus a negative 28,600,000 Square Feet for the balance of the market. Rents and rent growth are higher for Premier Workplaces and we believe the segment captures the majority of all gross leasing activity. Including 2 buildings undergoing renovation, 94% of BXP's CBD space is in buildings rated by CBRE as premier workplaces, which has been and will be critical for our long term success. Moving to Private Real Estate Capital Markets. U.

Speaker 3

S. Transaction volume for office assets slowed materially to $6,600,000,000 in the first quarter, down 47% from the Q4 of last year. The reduction was by no means an office specific trend as transaction volume across All asset all real estate asset classes was also 43% lower over the same period. Real estate values have reset down due to higher capital costs and sellers have so far been unwilling to accept lower prices creating a bid ask Mortgage financing for office is challenging to arrange and available for only the highest quality leased assets and sponsors. Given the dearth of transaction activity, office asset pricing is difficult to determine, but there were several data points of note in the quarter.

Speaker 3

In the Seaport of Boston, ARE announced the sale of a 37% interest in a lab development at 15 Necko Street to an offshore property company For evaluation of over $1600 a square foot and approximately a 5.4% cap rate. The building, which is being delivered into service later this year, comprises just under 350,000 feet and is fully leased to a Strong credit life science user for 15 years. In Downtown New York City, a global property company purchased The 49% interest it did not own in 1 Liberty Plaza for $4.26 a Square Foot and a 6% cap rate 6% cap rate from a global fund manager. The 2,300,000 square foot building is 80% leased. There are several smaller non premier workplaces currently in the market testing pricing at cap rates of 7% or greater.

Speaker 3

Regarding BXP's capital market activity in the Q1, we completed the acquisition of a 50% interest in WorldGate, A residential conversion opportunity located on Worldgate Drive in Herndon, Virginia near Reston Town Center for $17,000,000 The property currently consists of 2 vacant office buildings comprising 350,000 square feet and a 1200 stall parking garage, all situated The plan, which is subject to receiving entitlements, is to demolish the 2 office buildings and reuse a portion of the existing garage to support a 349 Unit Rental and For Sale Residential Development. DXP will serve as managing member and developer in partnership with Artemis Real Estate Partners, the current owner of the project. Development is not expected to commence until 2024. Additional new acquisition opportunities will undoubtedly grow in this environment, and we will remain highly opportunistic and solely focused on premier workplaces, life science and residential development. We added the previously described 290300 Benny Street Developments to our active construction pipeline this quarter and now have underway 16 office, lab, retail and residential projects as well as View Boston, the observation deck at the Prudential Center.

Speaker 3

These projects aggregate approximately 4,000,000 square feet and $3,300,000,000 of BXP investment with $1,900,000,000 remaining to be funded and are projected to generate attractive yields upon delivery. We have received recent inquiries about our funding sources and needs, which is understandable in the current market environment. We currently hold elevated levels of liquidity and have access to both the unsecured debt market and private secured mortgage market for select assets, albeit at higher rates and spreads than a year ago. We could also monetize select residential assets and attract JV partners into our lease development pipeline. Our internal discussions on funding strategy are not about whether we are able to access capital, but rather how to best select and sequence our capital raising options to minimize costs and maximize flexibility.

Speaker 3

Mike will provide more details in his remarks. In summary, despite unconstructive market conditions, BXP had another productive quarter with financial performance above and leasing in line with expectations. DXP is well positioned to weather the current economic slowdown given our position in the premier workplace segment, our Strong and liquid balance sheet with access to multiple capital sources, our significant development portfolio in progress and our potential to gain market share in both assets and clients due to the current market dislocation. Lastly, on an organizational matter, John Lang, our Senior Vice President, who oversees the LA region, Has elected to pursue professional interests outside of BXP. John joined us 7 years ago and has been an important contributor to BXP's growth in the LA region.

Speaker 3

Melissa Cohen, a LA native and former project manager in BXP's New York office will rejoin BXP as Head of Development for LA. Alex Cameron, our current Head of Leasing in LA And Melissa will be BXP's senior leaders for our LA region. These changes will be effective at the end of June. Let me turn it over

Operator

to Doug. Thanks, Owen. Good morning, everybody. So I think it's fair to say that we are operating in a challenging real estate supply and demand environment. And as Owen stated, businesses continue to make pronouncements about the importance of in person work, but Office job reductions related to the economy have impacted both supply and demand.

Operator

In our portfolio, we continue to see incremental pickup in daily activity as we look at the month to month trend lines and we see weekly patterns Emerging based upon industry. The legal profession has got a different perspective than asset management, which is different than private equity. People are using their spaces at different times. The frequency of work, however, in the office is really about 3 days per week across our markets where we track the data, And this includes San Francisco, obviously, our portfolio being primarily professional services and financial services. No city is back to the levels of urban work activity that existed in 2019.

Operator

We are aware of isolated instances Where an organization has required all their employees to work in their existing office most of the week and they don't have enough space, but that's just not the norm. The pendulum could swing back to where organizations find themselves short on space for their existing and future workforce, but it's not the way they're planning today. The most dynamic and expanding reservoirs of demand over the last decade, technology and life science users Are focused on profitability, cost reduction and capital preservation. This doesn't lead to near term positive absorption. There's a lot of variability with the financial services and professional services firms' space needs.

Operator

Those that are reducing headcount through layoffs Are replanning their facilities with less space. It's evident that some law firms in the market are signing leases with smaller footprints as they move to a more uniform office module, while a few are actually taking additional space. The concentration of user demand strength in 2023 It is broadly speaking, alternative asset managers, private equity, venture, hedge funds, specialized fund managers. These companies are growing their teams and their capital under management. This pool of clients typically wants to occupy premier workplaces, And it's not surprising that BXP's strongest activity is at the General Motors building in Manhattan, 200 Clarendon in the Prudential Center in Boston, 2,200 and 2,100 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC, the urban core of Breton Towne Center in Northern Virginia And our Embarcadero Center assets in San Francisco, by the way, we just don't have any space available at Salesforce Tower, which is why

Speaker 3

it's not on the list.

Operator

The challenging office supply picture is not a New York or a San Francisco story. There is high I headline availability in virtually every market across the U. S. Availability rates are atorabove20% in coastal and Sunbelt markets. These availability rates published by the brokerage firms and reported as headlines track all of the space In every pocket of each market, we've spent the last 2 years redefining our business as being developers and operators Our premier workplaces and explaining why these headline numbers hold much less relevant.

Operator

Owen gave the most recent data, which demonstrates the dramatic bifurcation between Premier workplaces and general office space. Availability in Premier assets matters And the location and the specific attributes of those buildings matter. A client looking at 399 Park Avenue Do not consider entering space on Third Avenue, Midtown South or Downtown. If a 20,000 Square per client wants to be in a premier building in the Back Bay of Boston On a single floor with primarily exterior office configurations, there are limited availabilities. If a 40,000 square foot tenant Once the client wants to be in view space north of 42nd Street and south of 59th Street between 5th Avenue and Lexington, there are limited availabilities.

Operator

This is why we could recapture a 30,000 square foot floor at 200 Clarendon this quarter and release the space as is With immediate occupancy to a new client, this is why we can lease the floor with a mid-twenty 24 expiration at 399 Park Avenue this quarter With no downtime to a growing client at the building, last quarter, I described the 50,000 square foot client in San Francisco, The lease space at Embarcadero Center had 2 alternatives outside of a renewal. The headline information that was reported By the brokerage committees, it's true, it's factual, but it's just not nearly as relevant as people think in our business. BXP's regional teams are leasing space. We completed 660,000 square feet of transactions during the Q1. On our last call, we gave an expectation of 3,000,000 square feet for the year, which translates to about 750,000 square feet per quarter on average.

Operator

We reaffirmed this at the Citi conference in March on our public webcast. There were 57 leases across our markets, 29 leases were with newer growing tenants, 110,000 Square Feet and 28 Renewals Totaling 250,000 Square Feet. We had 10 expansions and 3 contractions. As we sit here today, we have signed leases that have yet to commence on our in service vacancy, totaling approximately 1,300,000 square feet And 1,200,000 square feet of that space is anticipated to commence in 2023. This quarter, we added a secondary occupancy statistic that shows the effect of these signed leases on our quarterly occupancy.

Operator

Our headline in service occupancy stands at 88.6% and with leases signed but not commenced, it rises to 91%. This portfolio includes our in service properties and does not include the development portfolio, which is up to 4,000,000 square feet and is 52% leased. We currently have leases in negotiation totaling 900,000 square feet and we have a current pipeline of additional active proposals Totaling over 1,500,000 square feet, I would expect us to sign 95% of the leases in negotiation And more than 50% of the 1,500,000 square feet of proposals. So to summarize, we have active dialogue on 1,650,000 square feet of space as we end the Q1 of 2023. If 40% of these leases are in vacant space or 2/23 Expirations, it should add about 660,000 square feet of space to our occupancy.

Operator

We have 1,200,000 square feet of signed leases with an anticipated 2023 commencement. Together with the leasing pipeline, this adds 1,860,000 square feet to our occupancy. Our remaining 2023 expirations are 2,200,000 square feet. We have additional activity across the portfolio and still expect to lease 3,000,000 square feet this calendar year. The mark to market on the leases in the supplemental So we were down about 3% overall and D.

Operator

C. Was down 47%, which was a little bit shocking. This is due to Our restructuring of a 70,000 square foot Regal Cinema Lease in Springfield, Virginia. If you exclude the Regal Cinema Lease, the portfolio was up 2.5% and D. C.

Operator

Was down 10%. We were up 21% in Boston, down 9% in New York City and up 6% in San Francisco. The leases we signed this quarter on 2nd generation space were essentially flat across the company with Boston up and the other markets slightly down. During the quarter, we experienced one life science default on 12,000 Square Feet at 880 Winter Street, where a Forum Biotech company shut down its U. S.

Operator

Operations. This was one of the spaces we built on a speculative basis in 2022. We are negotiating a new lease on the space as is with a rent that's 9% higher than the prior rent. To provide some perspective on our life science credit exposure, Our total annual revenue from in service life science clients is about $226,000,000 or 8% of our total revenue. 70% comes from public companies with equity market values over $1,000,000,000 The other 30%, dollars 68,000,000 It's made up of 66 clients, 20 public and 46 privately funded.

Operator

We've also signed leases that have yet to commence with Total annual revenue of $128,000,000 90% is with Roche Genentech, AstraZeneca and the Broad Institute. Activity in the life science market continues to be slow across both Greater Boston and South San Francisco, and there is new unleased space being added to the markets. There are a few large requirements that are touring, but as I have previously discussed, the bulk of the demand is from small private companies that are looking for fully built space. Our new client at 881 Street fits this profile. We are also negotiating 3 additional leases At the development project at 651 Gateway in South San Francisco, totaling 57,000 Square Feet, the property will open in 2024 and each lease requires our partnership to complete turnkey spaces.

Operator

DXP will outperform the market and we will continue to lease available space Because our portfolio was fundamentally comprised of premier workplaces and the majority of the demand, new and existing clients In the market, want to be in these types of properties. Medium and small financial and professional service clients will make up the bulk of the leasing we complete in 2023. We completed 57 leases during the Q1. We have 4 leases over 30,000 square feet and only 1 above 50,000 square feet. Occupancy cadence will be captured through lots of small and medium sized leases and renewals.

Operator

We will have some contractions and we will also have some expansions. Tour activity continues to be strongest in the Boston CBD, New York City Plaza District and San Francisco, where the concentration of small professional firms and financial firms are concentrated. I'll stop here and turn the call over to Mike.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Doug. Good morning, everybody. So I am going to cover the details of our Q1 performance And also the changes to our guidance for the year. But before I do, I would like to address a couple of questions we've received From shareholders, and we'll start with a discussion of our liquidity, our near term capital needs and the state of the debt markets There's been a lot of talk in the media about the lack of financing available for commercial real estate. And while we agree that underwriting criteria is tighter and financing costs both in terms of credit spreads and reference rates are higher, There is financing available for high quality, well leased premier workplace assets and portfolios.

Speaker 4

In fact, in the past 6 months, We issued $750,000,000 of unsecured green bonds in the investment grade bond market and extended and increased our term loan with a syndicate of banks to $1,200,000,000 providing $470,000,000 of incremental proceeds. We are currently in Strong position with $2,400,000,000 of liquidity comprised of $900,000,000 of cash and full availability under our $1,500,000,000 line of credit. We do have 2023 capital needs, including funding our development pipeline and refinancing expiring debt facilities. For the remainder of 2023, we project to spend approximately $750,000,000 to fund our developments. Our consolidated 2023 debt maturities are limited to a $500,000,000 bond issuance expiring in the Q3 of 2023.

Speaker 4

If you extend the window into 2024, we have another $700,000,000 coming due in the Q1 of 2024. The bond market experienced volatility and higher credit spreads in March coming out of the bank failures over fears of a broader crisis. In April, the market has settled down and our credit spreads have come in meaningfully. We believe we could issue a new 10 year bond today 6.4% and 6.7%, which is inside the pricing we issued on a 5 year deal last November. Credit spreads are still wider than historical levels, but the market is open and we expect to continue to monitor it as an option for our refinancing needs.

Speaker 4

In our joint venture portfolio, we just exercised a 1 year extension on our mortgage loan for the Marriott headquarters located in Bethesda, and we have an additional option to extend it to 2025. Our remaining 2023 mortgage expirations Total just $287,000,000 at our share and we have an extension option available on $168,000,000 of this. The expiring mortgages are for the Verizon Anchored Hub on Causeway new development in Boston that is 94% leased and 500 North Capital in Washington D. C. That is 100% leased.

Speaker 4

We expect to refinance or extend these loans in the mortgage market and are actively working on term sheets. As Owen mentioned, we have a broad array of capital sources that we consistently evaluate that are available to us in varying amounts and costs to fund our capital requirements. The unsecured bond market has been a reliable debt capital source for us for over 20 years. We have a very liquid outstanding bond complex and a supportive core of fixed income investors who have partnered with us for years. As I just mentioned, the market is open, but at a cost higher than our historical levels.

Speaker 4

The mortgage market is also available to us. We have a large portfolio with over 90% of our assets unencumbered. This allows us to selectively secure assets if we want to raise capital. An appropriately leveraged and well leased premier workplace can be financed in today's mortgage market at pricing inside our bond pricing. We're also active in utilizing institutional private equity to help fund our acquisitions and development activities.

Speaker 4

And although investors are highly selective, they continue to evaluate investment opportunities with us. We have an attractive pipeline of well leased developments and existing properties that represent unique offerings to these investors. Asset sales are another source of capital and in the past For years, we've sold over $2,000,000,000 of properties and have efficiently recycled the capital into newer investments. The asset sales market has definitely slowed dramatically with the increase in interest rates, so it is a lower probability for us in 2023. However, we have properties that we could sell, including assets in our multifamily portfolio that are more liquid in today's market.

Speaker 4

So while the public discussion continues to be broadly pessimistic on real estate and the availability of capital, We continue to have plenty of flexibility with strong liquidity and multiple sources of debt and equity capital that we can turn to. Another question we've received from investors is about our dividend policy, given we are trading at a historically high 8% dividend yield. We have maintained a consistent dividend since the beginning of 2020. Our FAD provides reliable coverage of our dividend, such that we're able to reinvest excess cash flow into the growth of our business. We've been successful in selling assets annually and fitting the gains on sale within our regular dividend policy without the need for special dividends.

Speaker 4

Long term, our goal is to maintain a steady dividend and increase it over time as our developments add to our income. In the near term, a slowdown in expected sales activity Because we're negative and asset sales slow, we do have flexibility to modify our policy. Now I would like to turn to our earnings results. We reported Q1 FFO of $1.73 per share. Our results exceeded the midpoint of our FFO guidance by $0.06 per share.

Speaker 4

Nearly all of the variance to our guidance is from higher than projected NOI from our portfolio with $0.05 coming from lower operating expenses and $0.01 coming from higher rental revenues and fee income. The expense savings are the result of lower energy costs Due to both lower commodity prices and reduced utilization related to the mild winter in the Northeast, we also incurred lower repair and maintenance expenses than expected. As a result, we're increasing our funds from operations guidance for 2023 by $0.04 per share at the midpoint. Our new range is $7.14 to $7.20 per share. Our full year guidance increase is less than the Q1 FFO beat As we expect, the $0.03 of our Q1 operating expense savings will be moved into the rest of the year in the form of lower expense recoveries and the deferral of repair and maintenance expense.

Speaker 4

So the $0.04 increase in our full year guidance includes $0.03 of improvement in our portfolio NOI That is comprised of $0.02 of lower expenses and $0.01 of better than projected revenues. While we're increasing our portfolio NOI guidance overall, We remain comfortable with the same property guidance range that we offered last quarter. This includes our assumption that same property NOI growth from 2022 We'll be flat at the midpoint of our range. While on a cash basis, we expect same property NOI growth of 1% to 2.5%. We have increased our guidance for fee income for the full year by $0.01 per share.

Speaker 4

The increase is a combination of higher construction management and development fees. We've made no changes to our interest expense assumptions. Currently, we are assuming an additional 25 basis point increase in short term rates and then rates remaining flat for the rest of 2023. So to summarize, we've increased our guidance range for funds from operation to $7.14 to $7.20 per share. The increase is $0.04 per share at the midpoint and it comes from $0.03 of better projected contribution from our portfolio and $0.01 of higher fee income.

Speaker 4

The last item I would like to cover is a reminder of the diversification and credit quality of the leases in our portfolio. Doug provided some of the details on the 8% of our portfolio leased to life science clients. And if you take a deep dive on our technology clients, the results are very similar. Tech clients comprise about 17% of our revenues and over 80% is from large publicly traded companies. We have 85 leases with smaller public and private technology companies with an average annual rent of about $1,000,000 each.

Speaker 4

Our Tech and Life Science clients comprise 25% of our revenue base. The rest of our portfolio consists of a diverse mix Financial Services Companies, Law Firms, Other Professional Service Firms, Media, Real Estate, Retail and Manufacturing Companies. Overall, our portfolio is incredibly diversified by client, by industry sector and by geography. And our weighted average lease term is approximately 8 years, which leads to manageable annual lease expiration exposure. This portfolio construction is by design given our focus on premier workplaces that attract a high quality client base that desires longer term leases and are focused on attracting and retaining a talented workforce.

Speaker 4

Operator, that completes our formal remarks. If you could open up the line for questions, that would be great.

Speaker 1

Thank you, We ask that you keep your questions to no more than one, but please feel free to go back into the queue and if time permits, we'll be more than happy to take your follow-up And I show our first question comes from the line of Steve Sakwa from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Doug, appreciate all the comments that you made on leasing. I did notice that there really was no, I guess incremental leasing on the development pipeline outside of the 2 new projects that got added. So could you maybe just speak To the pipeline that you talked about, how much of that leasing that you're in discussions on is for the development?

Speaker 5

And I guess, how do you still feel about the projected yields on the development pipeline today?

Operator

So The pipeline of unleased properties, Steve, is pretty bulky, right? So it's primarily in 2 places. It's in Platform 16 in San Jose, which won't deliver until the beginning of 2025. And as You probably can surmise there's not a lot of technology demand in the market today. So there are no conversations going on there.

Operator

And the other large bulky one is 360 Park Avenue South. And we are starting to have conversations with smaller sized tenants, so 1 to 4 floors. Hillary, I'll let you sort of comment in a second But the overall, and you'll notice are an increase in our costs on some of our development assets because we have Pushed out the leasing timeframes and therefore we're carrying those properties for a longer period of time and obviously interest expense is meaningfully Higher than when we started these projects and that's impacting that. So the returns on our development assets will be slightly lower. It will depend on the leasing success that we have, Steve.

Operator

So I can't give you a comment on how many basis points they're going to be. But Hillary, if you want to comment on Park Avenue South.

Speaker 1

Okay. I see our next question in the queue comes from the line of John Kim from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. You discussed extending some of your maturities on your JV mortgage set and that market overall, the mortgage market being Inside bond pricing currently, which really goes against the grain of some of the issues we're hearing with the regional banks. I was wondering if you could just Elaborate on how healthy that market is and who's willing to put more capital into office assets today?

Speaker 4

So, I think that the conversation around regional banks is Something that is obviously out there. They're not necessarily lenders to us on properties like ours. We do Credit with the larger kind of multinational and global banks that we do business with and some of the super And then there's life insurance companies, there's pension funds, and there's the CMBS market, Wish the most active part of that is really the conduit marketplace. And there's been several large conduit offerings that have Been distributed to the marketplace, including I think 3 in the last month, where the office component of those Are somewhere between 15% 25%. And those loans are generally On an individual size, maybe $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 You could do a larger loan and do a conduit, say $200,000,000 $250,000,000 and Sliced up into a couple of different securitizations.

Speaker 4

So again, I think that if you have a good quality income stream to finance In a good building with good tenants and long weighted average lease term, that will get recognized by the financing markets. And we've been talking to the market. We have term sheets on deals that we're working on where there's a desire to Do loans for those types of properties at credit spreads that are still higher than what they were, But there are credit spreads that are below what it's currently in the bond market right now, not significantly below, but below. So as I said, we've got a couple of these mortgage financing that we're working on that we anticipate that we're going to execute on. And those are the markets that we're dealing with.

Operator

John, this is Doug. I'll just give another perspective. So we have a lot What I would refer to as highly financeable assets with long term credit leases And we would likely go and finance, for example, a 15 year Google lease for 5 years For a 12 year Microsoft lease for 5 years, right? And we're not doing these at 75% TVs were looking for a modest amount of leverage. So those types of assets we believe are highly marketable to The various counterparties in the lending community, be they insurance companies, be they domestic or foreign banks, So that's sort of where we're looking for additional capital.

Operator

And then as Mike suggested, We have a maturity in a relatively small sized asset, dollars 100,000,000 asset in Washington, D. C. And we had a number of term sheets From secured lenders on that. And so we are seeing evidence that our portfolio is as being receptive to additional secured commitments.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Camille Bonnell from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hello. Following up on the leasing pipeline, can you please comment on how you classify deals in the active proposal pipeline and how this Pipeline compared to last quarter or even a year ago?

Operator

So the way I characterize things is, if we are negotiating a lease Document is part of that 900,000 square feet. If we have an active conversation and are exchanging letters of intent, But we have not yet confirmed a letter of intent, AKA a meeting of the minds, and we haven't started a lease negotiation That's sort of in that other pipeline. And I would say we have slightly more stuff in the active Proposals are after negotiation stage than we had last quarter, largely because some of the stuff that I thought was going to get done in the Q1 leached into the Q2. There are 2 Meaningfully larger deals, meaning over 100,000 square feet that we had a we thought we had a chance of signing in the Q1. This didn't get signed yet.

Operator

And our active proposal pipeline is, I would say, modestly growing sort of quarter to quarter, but pretty consistent with what it's been the last 2 or 3.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question Comes from the line of Anthony Paolone from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Appreciate all the color on capital markets and how you're trying to triangulate where pricing might be. But just For BXP, for you to put capital out the door right now, what would you all want in terms of an IRR? How would you underwrite rents and cash flow growth?

Speaker 3

Like what would a deal that would prompt you to pull the trigger on look like? Yes. I'd say it's Owen. A couple of things I would say. 1, First thing would be, what is it?

Speaker 3

So we're not going to go out and buy a cheap office building in the hopes that we can make it less cheap over time. We're going to focus on Premier workplaces in the office segment. We're going to continue to focus on our life science portfolio And we're also going to focus on residential development, probably more as a merchant builder as opposed to a long term owner. So I think perimeter is very important. Look, in terms of overall cost and what we're going to be looking for, 1, it's certainly gone up.

Speaker 3

Number 2, it would depend a lot on the risk profile of the asset. But then number 3, what's always on Our stock is currently trading at a look through cap rate of 9%. And that's got to be a guidepost as we think about putting out new capital.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb From Travis Stanley, please go ahead.

Operator

Good morning. So Owen, along those lines, In prior cycles, you guys have bought some buildings, 399, 510, 100 Fed. You bought those in prior Opportunistic times. But given the capital markets today, given Mike's comments about assessing the dividend, If the disposition market doesn't open up, are you guys more keen and confident to buy assets, let's say, around Park Avenue, Grand Central or other transit hubs or is the company's focus more in capital preservation and therefore only stick to the current pipeline And really limit incremental opportunistic existing asset purchases.

Speaker 3

Alex, we have access to capital as Mike and I have pointed out. And the key is pricing. We're interested. We're open for business. We're interested in growing our company.

Speaker 3

We think we will. But that 9% look through cap rate is a guidepost for us.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question Comes from the line of Nick Yulico from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. I appreciate all the commentary on the secured Lending market. I guess, a question I have is, and again, I realize this doesn't really apply to your near term maturity schedule. But Now if we think about, let's say, New York City, I mean, this is a market that historically relied on very large loans That were put into the securitization CMBS market and it's not a single tenant long term credit building Often, it's multi tenant, the vintage of the asset will vary, but we're talking about $1,000,000,000 loans that got done for New York City, which seems like cannot get done right now because of what's going on with the securitization market. So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts are about The ability for this, let's say, New York City as a market to function from a property sales standpoint, from a lending standpoint, If it is historically a market that has very large loans that can't get done in the securitization market right now.

Speaker 3

So this is

Operator

Doug. I don't want to get into a conversation about other people's assets. So from our perspective, obviously, we don't have anything maturing anytime soon in our Manhattan portfolio. And we do have 2 large CMBS transactions that were done. They were SaaSNY deals, but they've got long duration associated with them.

Operator

I would expect that the markets will heal and that there will be capital available at a different Kind as Mike described, a different kind of a leverage point and a different kind of a pricing parameter. So there is going to be equity that's required in these assets to appropriately refinance them with Capital structure that makes sense for the large loan marketplace. And there's going to be obviously some degree of Time before we get there. I mean, there are obviously a lot of, I guess, sort of kick the cans or workouts or other Conversations going on right now, but I believe with enough equity, you will be able to raise $1,000,000,000 financings, in the market, but they're going to be done at different kind of leverage points.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Blaine Heck from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Great, thanks. Good morning. Doug, your commentary around the most active tenant Can you guys just talk about how you're taking advantage of that activity amongst medium and small financial and professional services companies? Are you breaking down any of your vacant spaces into smaller spec suites or doing anything else to accommodate that demand from small tenants?

Operator

So the answer is we are, and we are being, I would say, very deliberate about the Kinds of things we're doing. I'll let Bob talk, for example, about some of the activities that we have going on in San Francisco right now, where What was put in front of me was a series of changes to some existing availability that we think will be Very additive to the market. Bob, do you want to talk about our approach there?

Speaker 7

Sure. We have a problem of doing spec suites at Embarcadero Center on the smaller Spaces and we have several that are in the works right now. And some of them are designed where they can be combined with other suites that we need larger Thanks. Typically, when we do these turnkey, we might have to put a little bit of TI in After the fact, when we find a tenant, but we've had great success with these smaller suites so far.

Operator

And Pete, maybe you can you or Ray could comment on the program we've had in Reston, Virginia for probably the last 7 years and how successful that's been.

Speaker 8

Sure. So this is Pete Otne from D. C. Yes, it was not too many years ago that the rest Town Center Market was not one where we had done spec suites very often, but in the intervening 24 to 48 months, we've Done quite a few of those. I don't have the exact number off the top

Speaker 4

of my head, but it's

Speaker 8

in the high 20s. In terms of the number of square the number of spec suites that we've done out there and all with great Many leased prior to or at delivery and then all of them that have been delivered are leased at this We have activity on the balance of them. We did a full floor of spec suites at RTC NEXT in addition to the spec suites in the urban core Town Center. And it's been a very successful program out there capitalizing on exactly this type of tenant that's being discussed. And obviously, we have done them in D.

Speaker 8

C. For many years. That's a little bit more of a competitive market, but we think in the right buildings, for instance, after some good success on the leasing front at 2,100 Penn, Likely to have some space left there where we think spec suites will be very, very sought after due to the quality of the building and the quality of Yes. This next week that will build there.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmiths from UBS. Please go ahead. Michael, your line is open. If you have your phone on mute, please unmute your line.

Speaker 1

Okay. We'll move on to the next question. And Our next question comes from the line of Caitlin Burrows from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning, everyone. Maybe just another one on leasing. In the quarter, you did 660,000 square feet of leasing and have talked about now an expectation for about 750 1,000 Square Feet Per Quarter the Rest of the Year. So I was just wondering, are you seeing activity that specifically points to an increase in leasing In 2Q and beyond, and if so, what and kind of where is that? Or is it more of, general expectation at this point?

Operator

I think it's general expectation based upon fact, right? So I went through that went through our sort of pipeline and I've got 900,000 square feet of active leases under negotiation. I've got 1,650,000 square feet of proposals That I believe will manifest themselves into a significant number of signed leases and it's We're talking about being in April of 2023, so I've got another 8 months ahead of me. So I feel very confident that we will be able to achieve a 3,000,000 square foot leasing market. I hope we're going to exceed it, but it's not based upon our projections.

Operator

Our projections are 3,000,000 square feet and that's where it was Built into our occupancy numbers and Mike's same store numbers.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I do show our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith from UBS. Your line is open. Mr. Goldsmith, if you have your phone on mute, please unmute your line.

Speaker 1

Okay, we'll move on to the next question. And Our next question comes from the line of Michael Gerson from Citi. Please go ahead.

Operator

Great, thanks. Maybe we'll just shift back San Francisco, down the peninsula, probably better off submarket. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts about Google announcing their pause on that mega campus in San Jose. Could you see this being a potential benefit for that Platform 16 project? I think it's not expected to be stabilized till 2026.

Operator

I know you have a relationship with Google, so any comments you can make there would be helpful. Sure. Bob, do you want to take that one?

Speaker 7

Sure. First off, the CNBC report that came out the other day that they were stopping the project is False news. It's been reported by the Mayor on Friday and Google yesterday They're still planning on proceeding with the project today or excuse me, this year. We do have a relationship with Google, whether or not they would have interest in that project remains to be seen, but we will be the 1st building out of the ground adjacent to their campus. So time will tell.

Speaker 7

They're several years away from actually starting a building because they've got to put all the infrastructure in place first.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Vikram Malhotra from Suhul, please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking the questions. Just two quick ones. So one, can you just remind us Are there any risks sort of with your I think you have 3 or 4 WeWork leases in terms of just their performance and potentially Those being given back. And then just separately, broadly, I know you had embarked on over time, you've been investing CapEx to kind of keep the buildings fresh. And I'm just wondering sort of in this environment, can you remind us sort of what the So CapEx outlay may look like over this call it the next 2 years to keep the buildings competitive?

Operator

Let me answer your second question first. So your second question on CapEx is that BXP typically spends Somewhere between $2 $2.5 a square foot per year on its overall, what I would refer to as Ordinary course of business CapEx and that is defined as base building And what I would say sort of modest refreshes on our portfolio, it doesn't include If we're going to build a new amenity center at the General Motors building or we're going to do a new amenity center at Embarcadero center or we're going to Totally got and redo one of our lobby. So it doesn't include those types of expenses, which would be outside of that. With regard to WeWork, WeWork is A client of ours, WeWork, is clearly reducing the number of units that they have. We've negotiated some reductions from WeWork in our portfolio and WeWork is not likely

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Ronald Kamdem from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, just one quick one and a follow-up. Just on the Asking the leasing question in a different way. So I thought the expectation before was for occupancy to potentially be down in the 1st quarter, first half. So it sounds like there was probably more leasing than expected. Maybe you could just comment on that.

Speaker 11

And I'd also love to hear sort of your comments on occupancy for the portfolio by market, specifically in the West Coast versus the East Coast. And the quick follow-up was just on there's been a lot of sort of news about sales force in the market subleasing And I'm wondering how you guys are thinking about that for Salesforce Tower and if any other tenants Potentially, could be subleasing space. Thanks.

Operator

Okay. So that's about 8 questions, but I'll try and answer them really fast. So we leased 5,800,000 square feet of space in 2022 and our expectations were for 3,000,000 square feet in 2023, so a lot less. The Q1, I think, was pretty consistent with what our expectations were for the year. So I don't think that there are any sort of changes on Regarding occupancy, we've been pretty consistent with where we basically have been saying, we think our occupancy It's expected to go down a little bit in 2023.

Operator

I think we didn't describe exactly when that's going to occur. There will be some A reduction in occupancy likely in the Q2 because we have some expirations. And then the 1,200,000 square feet of space that I described That is, we expect the size to get in service in 2023 is more towards the back end of the quarter or the back end of the year, so it will pick up again. But net net, we think our occupancy will be relatively flat to modestly higher as we enter the end of 2023, early 2024. With regard to Salesforce Power, salesforce.com has space on the sublet market.

Operator

We are not part of their conversations. They have not come to us and said, hey, we have a tenant that would like to do a long term lease and would you consider doing a stub or would you consider Taking the space back, so I'm not aware of what specifically is going on with their sublet, but I can tell you that their Single location is likely to be at Salesforce Tower when they sort of get done with their I'm subleasing the space because they've moved out of 350 Mission and they have the majority of their space at 50 Fremont on the Sebla market and they obviously they pulled out of The other buildings that they were going that were going to go up in that neighborhood, so the thing that's left is salesforcepower.com.

Speaker 3

Yes. I would just add, we have Bob should comment on this. We have market inquiries relatively frequently for the Salesforce tower and it's completely full. And one of the reasons Salesforce is putting floors in the tower on the market is because it's actually the easiest space to have sublease, Given the attractiveness of the asset.

Speaker 7

Yes, I would just add that the building is 100% leased. It's probably the most sought after Building in San Francisco for space and we get multiple inquiries every month about people looking for space in the building.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Dylan Brzezinski from Green Street. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Just curious how you guys are thinking about buybacks Potential buybacks in the current environment. Owen, you mentioned the 9% implied cap rate that the stock now trades at today. And I realize that Obviously, office transaction markets are fairly illiquid, but if you guys were able to get dispositions to the finish line, would you guys view buybacks and potential use of that capital?

Speaker 3

Well, we think that our stock represents a very uniquely interesting investment, particularly at this point in time. Most of the inquiries we've been getting recently and that's the reason why Mike and I spent so much time on it in our remarks is our access to capital and how are we dealing with upcoming Debt maturities and things like that. So, in this kind of environment, buybacks are not a priority for us. And we also we have found interesting uses for the capital. We just put on our development pipeline this quarter.

Speaker 3

The 290 Binney Street Development, it's 100% leased to AstraZeneca and also the 300 Binney Street Asset Conversion.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 1

And I show our next question comes from the line of Tayo Okusanya from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes. Good morning. Thanks for keeping the call going. Just a quick one on office to resi conversion. Again, a lot of these buildings Don't compete with your assets.

Speaker 5

So just curious how you guys think about platform movements? Is it something that you're excited about? Do you think it helps DXP longer term or just because it's not a competitive product doesn't really matter to you guys?

Operator

No, I would say

Speaker 3

it this way. I think it's a very big trend that will unfold Slowly. And the reason I think it's a very big trend is because I think virtually everyone benefits from it. There's too much Out of there's too much obsolete office stock that something needs to happen with that Number 2, there is a shortage of housing in, I think, all the cities where we operate. 3, conversions would create more appraised value and more tax revenues for the cities that we operate in.

Speaker 3

And lastly, converting an existing building versus tearing it down and building something new creates much less embodied carbon. So I just think everything about Convergent makes a ton of sense. Issue with it is, if it's and the reason I say it's going to unfold slowly is there are big challenges in doing First of all, building has to be empty and there's not many office buildings that are fully empty. A lot of them are 50% empty or something like that. So that's number 1.

Speaker 3

Number 2, physical characteristics are very important, particularly the bay depths in the property, access to light and air It's very important for residential, so very large floor plate buildings that work as well. And then lastly, economics. Most office buildings today are not Appraised or valued at a level where a conversion is economic. But I think these forces will work themselves out Over time, if you just take a very small percentage of the 733,000,000 square feet Of office in our markets and say it's converted, that's very material. And in terms of BXP, we don't have any assets That are conversion candidates themselves, but I do think it will represent an opportunity for us to do Some residential development and it's a little bit different from a typical conversion that I think you're asking me about, but this Worldgate investment, albeit small, That we just made is an example of us reusing a parking garage and taking a site that's currently an empty office building and converting it into something more productive.

Speaker 3

This is Doug.

Operator

I would just add that WorldGate is sort of an illustrative example of what we think may happen in certain instances in certain cities Where the buildings have no intrinsic value as a repositioned conversion and therefore the land is really where the value is. And it probably has a higher and better use as residential. And so there are buildings probably that will be taken down and the sites will be then re

Speaker 2

Why don't we circle back to Hillary on 360 Park. Hillary?

Speaker 12

Thanks, Helen. Can you guys hear me now?

Operator

Yes. Yes. Got it.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you, everyone. Hi, it's Hillary Spann. I just wanted to add a little bit of color to the leasing activity in Midtown South at 360 in addition to what Doug has already With regards to the pipeline that's either out for signature or in negotiation, last quarter, I told everyone that We thought that we would be seeing more demand from 50,000 to 75,000 square foot tenants leading into this year and that largely proved itself to be correct. We are currently in discussions with 5 tenants that range from 25,000 square feet to 75,000 square feet at the building.

Speaker 12

But I think what is more interesting and this is really just sort of a check on the spot market for leasing in Midtown South is that Recently, we have toured 2 150,000 Square Foot Tenants and 1200,000 Square Foot Tenant for 360 Park Avenue South. And we also toward just yesterday a tenant that wants to start at 30,000 square feet and potentially has growth to 100,000 square feet. So it seems that the demand profile is shifting a little bit again toward larger tenancy See in the submarket, obviously, that will take some time to play out as these tenants decide where they're going to go and document Transactions, but I think overall it's a positive signal for the market. And if I looked at all of that Combined with what we're trading paper and the tours that are in the market that represents about 715,000 square feet of tenants that are in the market right now. So just wanted to share that additional detail with you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. At this time, I'd like to I'll turn the call back over to Owen Thomas, CEO for closing remarks.

Speaker 3

I just want to thank everyone for your time,

Speaker 1

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for attending. You may all disconnect at this

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