First Interstate BancSystem Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 27, 2023

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the First Interstate BancSystem Inc. Q1 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Elliot, and I'll be coordinating your call I would now like to hand over to Lisa Sleitabray. The floor is yours. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Thank you for joining us for our Q1 earnings conference call. As we begin, Please note that the information provided during this call will contain forward looking statements. Actual results or outcomes may differ materially from those I'd like to direct all listeners to read the cautionary note regarding forward looking statements Contained in our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC and in our earnings release, As well as the risk factors identified in the Annual Report and our more recent periodic reports filed with the SEC. Relevant factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from any other forward looking statements are included in the earnings release and in our SEC filings.

Speaker 1

The company does not undertake to update any of the forward looking statements made today. A copy of our earnings release, which contains non GAAP financial measures, is available on our website at fibk.com. Information regarding our use of the non GAAP financial measures may be found in the body of the earnings release, and a reconciliation to their most directly comparable GAAP Financial measures is included at the end of the earnings release for your reference. Joining us from management this morning are Kevin Reilly, our Chief Executive Officer And Marcy Much, our Chief Financial Officer, along with other members of our management team. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Kevin Reilly.

Speaker 1

Kevin?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Lisa. Good morning, and thanks again to all of you for joining us on our call today. Again, this quarter, along with our earnings release, We have published an updated investor presentation that has some additional disclosures that we believe would be helpful. The presentation can be accessed on our Investor Relations website. And if you have not downloaded a copy yet, I would encourage you to do so.

Speaker 2

I'm going to start today by providing an overview of the major highlights of the quarter. And then I'll turn the call over to Marci to provide more details on our financials. Throughout our more than 50 year history, First Interstate has prioritized prudent risk management. And as a result, we have consistently been a source of strength and stability for our clients during times of economic stress. This was the case during the pandemic.

Speaker 2

It's also the case now in the wake of the recent bank failures that have created stress across the broader banking system. As a result of our relationship focused approach, which has allowed us to build a loyal client base, We have seen stability in our insured deposit base and experienced limited attrition of larger Uninsured business deposits since the recent bank failures. We are seeing net growth in new deposit accounts throughout all of our markets As clients seek stability in their financial partner, given the strength of our balance sheet and the stability of our deposit base, We did not have to take any extraordinary balance sheet actions to mitigate deposit outflows or to Otherwise, address liquidity needs. As a result, we continue to deliver strong financial performance for our shareholders, Generating $56,300,000 in net income or $0.54 per share, while increasing our tangible book value per share by 5% from the end of the prior quarter. This includes the impact of a 23 point $4,000,000 loss we incurred on the sale of investment securities in the middle of March and a $1,900,000 fair value mark Securities were largely used to pay down higher cost borrowings, which took place in early April.

Speaker 2

This will help stabilize the net interest margin and will add to net interest income over the next 12 months. The impact from this transaction is included in our revised outlook. The volatility in the markets as a result of bank failures has caused operational disruptions for many institutions. We feel very fortunate As our deposit base remains relatively stable and I personally responded to a very few client concerns, Leaving most communication in the hands of our very capable bankers. Our deposits declined by 3.9% during the Q1.

Speaker 2

The majority of the outflow occurred in the first half of the quarter When we saw anticipated seasonal activity representing approximately 2 thirds of the reported decline. The additional outflows Was subsequent to the bank failures in March and mainly consisted of uninsured business deposits. Throughout the quarter, We continue to see the migration of deposits from non interest bearing to interest bearing accounts and saw a greater reliance on borrowed funds to cover deposit outflows. This unfavorable change in our funding mix, along with increased rates on all deposit categories, Resulted in a higher average cost of funds and a decrease in our net interest margin during the Q1. As we indicated on our last earnings call, given the uncertainty in the macroeconomic environment And our focus on gaining full banking relationships, we were more selective in new loan production, Which resulted in lower levels of loan growth as compared to the 4th quarter.

Speaker 2

As reflected in our Q1 performance, We are prioritizing C and I growth, which increased at a 20% annualized rate in the quarter. We continue to see quality lending opportunities across our footprint and increased total loans At a 3.2% annualized rate. Although the Q1 is typically slower for us, You should expect growth to remain in this low single digit range for the full year. We feel this slower pace relative to our prior outlook is more prudent in the current environment. Considering the heightened focus on C and I growth and the growth in full client relationships.

Speaker 2

Our deposit base remains very diverse and granular. Consumer deposits make up 54% of our deposit base With an average account balance of less than $20,000 Business and municipal deposits Our 46% of the base with the average account balance of about $90,000 As of the end of the quarter, uninsured deposits not subject to collateralization represented about $6,200,000,000 Which we had a mere available liquidity of approximately $11,000,000,000 which is over 1.7 times coverage. Moving to capital, it remains strong and we're pleased to announce a dividend of $0.47 per share, Which is about a 7% yield on our current stock price. From a sensitivity perspective, If we were to liquidate our entire available for sale portfolio and held to maturity portfolio and realize the market losses as of March 31, We will remain well capitalized for all regulatory ratios. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Marcy to provide some additional details around our Q1 results.

Speaker 2

Go ahead, Marcy.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. As I walk through our financial results, unless otherwise noted, all of the prior period comparisons will be with the Q4 of 2022. And I'll begin with our income statement. Our net interest income decreased by $19,500,000 which was primarily due to an increase in our interest expense Resulting from a shift in our funding mix toward higher cost short term borrowings and interest bearing deposit accounts, 2 fewer days in the quarter And $3,200,000 lower purchase accounting accretion quarter over quarter. Our reported net interest margin decreased 25 basis points from the prior quarter to 3.36 percent.

Speaker 3

Excluding purchase accounting accretion, our adjusted net interest margin decreased by 20 basis to 3.29 percent from the prior quarter as the 19 basis point increase in the average yield on earning assets Was more than offset by the 46 basis point increase in our total cost of funds. Importantly, both our reported and adjusted Net interest margins are still comfortably above a year ago level by 56 and 64 basis points respectively. Given the change in funding mix and higher deposit costs in the month of March and at quarter end, we expect our adjusted net interest margin, Excluding the impact of purchase accounting accretion to be lower in the second quarter relative to the first. While we will realize the benefit the net interest margin in April from the deleveraging activity Kevin discussed, which will approximate $2,000,000 in net interest income over the next 12 months, We are starting with an adjusted margin of 3.17% for the month of March. Additionally, While we had initially believed deposit trends could remain closer to historical norms and essentially be flat year over year, we now believe this could be a challenge.

Speaker 3

Our current outlook assumes that deposits declined by low single digits in the 2nd quarter, primarily related to tax payments And then we'll remain relatively stable from there through the end of the year with a continued shift out of non interest bearing into higher cost interest bearing accounts. With this as a baseline, which pushes our assumed deposit beta up to plus or minus 30%, We are now expecting our adjusted net interest income growth in 2023 to be in the low single digit range excluding purchase accounting accretion. Scheduled purchase accounting accretion, as you can see on Slide 12 of the investor presentation, will approximate $12,000,000 to $13,000,000 over the remainder of 2023. Our total non interest income decreased 25 $200,000 quarter over quarter, primarily due to the $23,400,000 loss on investment securities

Speaker 4

And the

Speaker 3

$1,900,000 write down to the fair value of loans held for sale realized during the Q1. Excluding these items, Non interest income was relatively consistent with the prior quarter. We had a small decline in payment services revenue as a result of lower levels of consumer spending, which impacted Debit interchange revenue, while our wealth management revenues increased due to a combination of market performance and the seasonal benefit from annual fees. As we look to the remainder of 2023, we're expecting to realize the benefit from current strategic efforts around mortgage and payment services in the second half of the year. With that view, we now expect fee income for the full year 2023 to be down low to mid single digits from 2022, excluding securities losses in both years.

Speaker 3

Moving to total non interest expense. Our first quarter was down $9,500,000 from the prior quarter. Salaries and benefits expense decreased primarily as a result of lower incentive compensation expense compared to the last quarter, Along with the reversal of $3,800,000 of 2022 incentive compensation previously accrued. The lower salaries and benefits expense helped to offset a $1,500,000 increase in our FDIC insurance due to a higher assessment rate now in place. Overall, our total operating expenses for the full year 2023 remains consistent with our initial guidance.

Speaker 3

That said, we recognize the pressure on revenues and continue to look at ways we can be more efficient and further reduce expenses. Moving to the balance sheet. Our loan total for investment increased $146,500,000 from the end of the prior quarter With growth coming from the C and I and commercial real estate portfolios, the majority of the decline in the construction portfolio Reflects projects being completed and moving into the CRE portfolio. As Kevin mentioned earlier, we're focusing on growing the C and I book developing full banking relationships, so we're pleased to see the growth here. On the liability side, our total deposits decreased $966,600,000 most of the decline came in non interest bearing business deposits.

Speaker 3

The decline in non interest bearing deposits was partially offset by increases in our balances of time deposits as we see more customers taking advantage of attractive CD rates. Moving to asset quality. Nonperforming assets increased $20,400,000 which was primarily attributable to the migration of 2 loans, A senior housing facility in the Midwest and a warehouse in the Pacific Northwest, so different industries and different geographies. Criticized loans increased 1.1% from the prior quarter and total delinquencies declined by 17% or $12,000,000 Our loss experience continues to be very low with net charge offs of $6,200,000 or 14 basis points of average loans in the quarter. With our loan growth and the changes in credit quality that we saw this quarter, we saw a modest increase in our ACL percentage To 1.24 percent of loans held for investments.

Speaker 3

Our total provision expense was $15,200,000 Which included $1,600,000 related to unfunded commitments and $1,400,000 related to the investment securities portfolio. Lastly, We have strong capital ratios. Our tangible capital ratio improved to 6.37% from a low of 5.9% Back in September of 2022, our regulatory capital ratio should continue to build throughout the remainder of the year. While we contemplated a share repurchase in the Q1, with the volatility in the industry, we do not believe it would be prudent at this time despite our very attractive stock price. Of course, should conditions change, we will revisit this decision.

Speaker 3

Now I'll turn the call back to Kevin. Kevin?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Marcy. Now I'll wrap up with a few comments on our outlook. At our last earnings call, We indicated our growth priorities for the year. We're pursuing new household growth, particularly in our new markets added to the Great Western merger And growing fee revenue. We have not altered any of our planned investments for the year related to these initiatives And we believe the environment is even more conducive to adding products to allow to grow our clients and increase share of wallet.

Speaker 2

In order to better compete in mortgage, we have recently centralized our fulfillment process with both digital and traditional applications They are now handled by a centralized team. To support this effort, we have put in a referral program in place to incent Our retail staff to generate leads for this team. This will allow us to provide this basic consumer need to our clients in a more seamless In an efficient manner. We are also in the middle of strategic efforts to roll out new suite of consumer credit cards. There will be several options for consumers to consider, from a secure card all the way to an elite card.

Speaker 2

With this, we will provide a more competitive and user friendly reward system. We expect to begin seeing the benefits of this relaunch in the second half of the year. As a bank that can offer the financial strength, breadth of products and services and a robust digital platform of Larger financial institutions combined with a high level of personal service typically associated with community banks, We believe we have a compelling value proposition to offer both businesses and consumers who are reevaluating their banking shifts in light of the recent events. I mentioned earlier that we saw net growth in new deposit counts during the back half of March And that trend has continued in April. We'll continue to be selected in new loan production and while we're not seeing Yet a decline in loan demand, we need to be disciplined in getting paid for loans we are booking.

Speaker 2

So we may sacrifice a little growth if we cannot get an appropriate return. With this in mind And with the focus on C and I and small business loans, both of which will contribute to our long term profitability And further increase the value of our franchise, we may see total loan growth for the year being in the low single digit range. Before we conclude, a few comments about credit. In short, While we are always on the lookout for early signs of stress, we have a granular loan book, and we continue to feel positive about stability of the portfolio. In particular, our commercial real estate portfolio continues to perform well.

Speaker 2

This portfolio It's well diversified across both industry and geography. For loans exceeding $5,000,000 in outstanding balances, The average loan to value at origination was 61% and the current average debt service coverage ratio exceeds 1.7 times. Considering challenges noted in the broader office market, particularly in the major metropolitan markets, We have taken a more granular look at our general office exposure. In total, for loans exceeding $5,000,000 in outstanding balances, The general office exposure has an average current debt service coverage ratio of 1.8 times. We also did a deep dive on our metro markets and redefined metro to include Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Denver and Kansas City.

Speaker 2

Under this expanded definition, as you can see on Page 7 of our investor deck, We have identified 22 non owner occupied general office loans for a total exposure of 113,000,000 Two loans make up $47,000,000 or 42% of the total, both of which are pass rated credits. The remaining $66,000,000 is comprised of 20 loans, 2 of which are criticized totaling $7,400,000 In addition, we have 2 metro office construction homes totaling $37,000,000 and the average loan to value on these two loans is 71.3%. We have historically performed well during times of economic stress and capitalized on opportunities to increase our market share. While prudent risk management will always remain our top priority, we believe the current environment will ultimately prove favorable for us And our efforts to expand our client base. Given the strength of our balance sheet, our high level of capital liquidity And our continued strong asset quality, we are well positioned to grow our client base and take advantage when other banks fail to meet the needs So with that, I will open the call up for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question today comes from Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Andrew.

Speaker 5

I wanted to start out on the margin and the B and I guidance. So I guess on the 2nd quarter guide, Marci, you mentioned the core margin will move lower. I get that it will be lower I think versus the reported 1Q 2023 core margin, but do you see margin compression from that core margin for the month of March that you referenced, I think 3.17 It was referenced. Do you see compression from that level or just versus the full quarter average?

Speaker 2

Andrew, good question. What we said With the $317,000,000 and the deleverage trade, what we see with some of the deposit runoff that Marty mentioned, we have some slight deposit runoff in the Q1. We believe with the deleverage trade and then the kind of the mix shift that that should be the trough of our net interest margin going forward. And I think that we in our forecast have moved from where we are about 18 percent beta right now to somewhere around plus or minus 30%. So that's moving non interest bearing into interest bearing.

Speaker 2

So that's kind of how we see it right now, but all bets are off. That's we're projecting a little bit more deposit runoff, but We think it's going to stop and slow, but that would be the only thing that would change, I think, our forecast going forward. We're very conservative in way we're looking at it, so we really believe March is a trough.

Speaker 3

Yes. So Andrea, I'll just add a little bit to that. So again, the deleverage trade, we believe that adds about 10 We do have a continued shift in our deposit mix out of non interest bearing In the time in that assumption and then also out of the investment portfolio runoff, so again $60,000,000 to $70,000,000 I'm on tangible loan portfolio.

Speaker 5

Got it. And what was the on the delever straight, the earn back Was on that repositioning and then I hear you that you have some mix shifts in the deposit base that kind of Underlies that guidance, do you have the specific kind of how much NIB compression would be included within your guidance?

Speaker 2

Yes. My simple math would be this, if we're earning $10,000,000 a year or a little more and we took a $23,000,000 loss, That's kind of the math?

Speaker 3

Yes, a little over 2 years or right after

Speaker 5

2 years. Okay. And then the non interest bearing mix shift?

Speaker 2

What's the dynamics of a very mix shift?

Speaker 4

Andrew, repeat that part of the question

Speaker 3

Yes, I didn't hear that part of the question.

Speaker 5

Apologies. Marci, you were saying that there is some underlying your guidance there is Some continued mix from non interest bearing deposits into time deposits. Do you have the specifics like how much non interest bearing compression you anticipate

Speaker 4

Hey, Andrew, it's John. Yes, so if you look back on a Pro form a combined company to pre COVID, the non interest bearing was somewhere in the mid-20s, call it 25 ish percent of total deposits. The guidance to get to that 30% beta by the end of the year assumes that we go back to that level. So it's Quite a bit of runoff in non interest bearing from this point forward for the balance of the year. As Marci mentioned, into time deposits would be the mix shift that's assumed there.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then last one for me, I guess I was surprised maybe a bit to see the expectation For low single digit deposit decline again in the 2nd quarter and I understand some of the macro headwinds maybe, but I was assuming a seasonal kind of rebound might be able to help. So just curious kind of how you're tracking quarter to date versus that low single digit expectation in 2Q? And then if you can give any color on the new account openings. I know they were strong.

Speaker 5

Just any more color there on How strong they were on a relative basis to prior quarters?

Speaker 3

So Andrew, most of the deposit outflow that we've seen so far has been largely related to tax payments. Again, deposits are the biggest question mark. So in our outlook, we've left that flow that we're seeing From income tax payments in our forward look.

Speaker 2

So I'll start with a little bit. As we always have said, Deposits usually after tax outflow that you see in April, usually because of normal seasonality, we start seeing deposits Grow in May June and going forward. We're taking a more conservative look at that in our forecast, but that's What we would expect, but we're being a little bit more conservative in our outlook.

Speaker 5

Yes, understood. Okay. Thank you for taking the questions.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris McGratty from KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Great. Good morning. Marci or John, on the just going back to the margin for a second. The improvement in your loan yields was about half Of the step up in the deposit costs. I know you talked in prior quarters about unfunded Funding, so can you just walk me through how we should think about loan yields from here?

Speaker 3

Yes. So our new loan yields, Chris, the yield on new loans was about 6.5%, but net of that construction funding, it's about 6%. So that's kind of the pressure that we saw there.

Speaker 7

And is there

Speaker 6

a lot more on that to come?

Speaker 3

Well, the construction loan yields will put pressure all year long On our margin.

Speaker 2

But it should lessen. It should lessen as the year

Speaker 3

goes up. Through the rest of the year.

Speaker 4

Yes. Chris, it's John. So the draws will be somewhere in the range of about $75,000,000 a month, probably for the balance of the year. As Marci mentioned, if you strip those out, the production that came on the balance sheet was kind of mid-6s. So that's dampened it by about 50 basis points in the Q1.

Speaker 4

That dampening effect, that's what Kevin was just referring to, will lessen as the year goes on. So if you sort of core out the loan yield for the Q1, you're at about 5.15%. We should see that step up marginally over the balance of the year. That would be the expectation.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, John. Kevin, maybe a bigger question On the ROE, obviously, you had a huge step up with the deal and rates, and you're not alone that Earnings are being pressured. How do we think about normalized ROE for the company?

Speaker 6

And then kind of a tangent to that, The dividend, obviously, you have a huge dividend. How do we think about the like a targeted payout ratio?

Speaker 2

Well, targeted payout ratio, I think somebody did a pretty good calculation based on our forecast. I mean, you target right now, the payout ratio is probably going to go around 65%. And we believe we're very comfortable with that due to the fact that we're very conservative in our forecast of what we believe the earnings power So we're comfortable with that dividend payout ratio at this point in time because capital is Strong and asset quality is strong and we see nothing that would concern us in cutting the dividend due to the fact that capital We'll continue to grow throughout the year at that dividend payout rate.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's great. And then how about the kind of comment on ROE over time? Thanks.

Speaker 2

I'm going to throw that one to John about the ROE.

Speaker 3

Yes. I just think low double digits is what we would expect.

Speaker 2

Is that growth or

Speaker 6

Low double digit Total. Total. For short on tangible common equity?

Speaker 3

No. Total equity. Low double digits return on total equity.

Speaker 6

Okay, got it.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jared Shaw from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey guys, good morning.

Speaker 2

Hey, Jared.

Speaker 7

I guess on the deposit side with that 30% beta that's still lower than what we're seeing in a lot of other banks. What's the I guess sort of what's your thinking about being more aggressive with pricing to retain those deposits And not have to use as much wholesale funding or is it really not so much a pricing issue in your market versus Yes, maybe there's a selection somewhere else. But I guess what would you have to do there to where would you have to bring data to keep those deposits from continuing to go out?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's a good question, Jared. What we're seeing is that quite frankly, as again with most of our or half of Our deposits are pretty much consumer and we're not seeing much change in those deposit balances at all. If you go back, we Put out special products all the way back at the beginning of Q3 of last year, at index money market product As well as some CD rates at that point. And the migration in those accounts were quite hefty In the 3rd Q4, so right now those index accounts represent about 15% of our compound.

Speaker 2

So a lot of the migration Of our customers, CDs represent about 8%, have already migrated into some of that. Most of the deposit runoff is really On the business side, I think some of the uninsured stuff, so it's not really a pricing issue at this point. And we're planning on continuing migration, but I will tell you the migration from the standard money market into the index and moving into the CDs Has dramatically slowed from that in the 3rd quarter and 4th quarter.

Speaker 7

Okay. When you look at that third of the deposit flow that happened after SIV B fell and you say that's mostly uninsured business, Is there an opportunity to maybe bring some of those back or that those companies have made the decision to Limit uninsured deposits and it's not likely to come back?

Speaker 2

Well, the customers tell you that when they sit there and say we're going to move something, they say, well, We'll bring it back. I don't know anybody's guess that those they could come back, but We're not forecasting them coming back in any biggest way, but they could come back. I mean the customer conversations of some of the ones that I've had I've been very, very good conversations. But they got to do their own risk management and we'll see if they get comfortable With us moving forward, those deposits could come back, but I'm not we're not betting on it at this juncture.

Speaker 3

Yes, but our bankers are actively pursuing Those customers and so we're optimistic that they'll come back, but that's not included in our guidance.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then I guess shifting to credit, when you look at the office exposure and thanks for the color on that, How much of that came over from Great Western and Has a credit mark on it already versus how much was originated organically through First Interstate?

Speaker 2

Well, I don't know that answer off the top of my head. I'm looking at my credit guy. We can get you that number,

Speaker 4

but

Speaker 2

we don't have that in front of us. Sorry, Jared.

Speaker 7

Okay. As we look at the allowance build, I mean you have to do that Separate from the credit mark you've taken, right? So I mean you're still looking at the total estimated losses On the gross portfolio, whether or not you have a credit mark on that or not, is that right in terms of how we saw the allowance grow or the ratio this quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. So Jared under the new accounting rules again that's all in the allowance at this point. And so that full credit mark is included in the allowance.

Speaker 7

Well, is this the credit mark included in the net balance on the Are we using the balance that you brought over separate from the allowance?

Speaker 3

Yes. It all amortizes off and so

Speaker 2

There's some there, but it's

Speaker 3

Yes. But really, you should think of the allowance as incorporating that full credit mark.

Speaker 7

Got it. Okay. And then just finally for me, on the new card initiative that you talked about with the rewards, do you think is that going to be profitable In 2023 or I guess how long will that take to become profitable in terms of the rewards and the expense and the rollout versus contribution?

Speaker 2

That's a good question. The expense really is not that large. We're bringing new cards and rewriting The program and rewards, so it's not really a large expense. And we're just looking at our belief is that With a very competitive card, which will be competitive to the other large credit cards out there and our rewards will be similar That our belief is that we could pretty much double our card volume with regards to consumer over the next 3 years.

Speaker 3

Yes. And all of that, Jared, again, is baked into the guidance what we expect the net profitability of that card to be.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brody Preston from UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask just a follow-up on that question on the card. So if you're as successful on the card as you hope to be, I guess where would the extra expenses tied to that wind up showing up? Would that show up in like data processing and other expenses or something like that?

Speaker 3

It's going to show up in other expenses. That's where our rewards process

Speaker 2

The rewards go down other expenses, but part of this whole Redone is Mastercard is a great partner, and they're helping us go there. So with that partnership, They help cover some of the costs of moving us forward there.

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. And then I wanted to ask on the 1 to 3 year loan repricing bucket, do you have a sense for the $5,500,000,000 in there? Do you have a sense for what The loan yield, of that bucket is?

Speaker 4

Yes, Brody. Hey, it's John. It's in the low 4s, Call it 4.25.

Speaker 8

Okay. So reprice from 4.25 up to 6, 6.5?

Speaker 4

On the current production levels, yes, that would be correct.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's helpful. And then I did want to ask on expenses. The expenses were pretty solid this quarter. And so I did want to ask, sorry, I got a new kitten and the thing is just like going crazy right now.

Speaker 8

I did want to ask on the expenses. They came in quite a bit better than what I was looking for. And so I wanted to Dan, within your guidance, what the exit run rate for the Q4 looked like and if there was any kind of Seasonal pickup that we should expect in the back half of the year?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think if you just take this quarter, Brody and add back the $3,800,000 Adjustment that was a reversal of accrual from last year. I think you're kind of right there.

Speaker 8

Okay. Got it. And then I did want to follow-up on the office CRE exposure. For the $280,000,000 in total CRE exposure with yields under $525,000,000 I guess, would those Reprice in the next 12 months up to that similar kind of 6.5 production yield? Or I guess, like help us think about bifurcating Your CRE production yield, just trying to get a sense for if those rates reset, kind of where they're resetting from and where they're going to?

Speaker 9

Yes, this is Mike Lugli. We're anticipating and we're And stressing them based on resetting in the 6.5% to 7% rate, when they reprice and mature. And we're having those conversations right now.

Speaker 8

Understood. All right. I think that's all I had for you because you answered the NIB mix question. So I appreciate you taking my questions.

Speaker 3

You bet. Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Clark from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Matt.

Speaker 10

Just a few questions and I apologize if I missed them in your prepared comments, but the uptick in commercial real estate non performers, what those and kind of what's the situation and plan for resolution?

Speaker 3

Yes. So the nonperforming increase, Matt was just a couple of loans. 1 was a senior housing facility in the Midwest and the other was a warehouse property in Portland. They're just working through the normal process. We believe that They're marked appropriately and fully collateralized.

Speaker 9

Yes. Just a follow-up. Okay. One of the loans We did take a charge. The other we have a reserve on it.

Speaker 9

So we do think we do have those properly marked.

Speaker 10

Okay. And I guess, were they just mismanaged? I guess, what drove them

Speaker 9

I'd like to believe not. On the seniors housing, What they've been facing is higher cost and lower reimbursements for their fixed cost. That is being addressed in state legislatures across Our footprint?

Speaker 2

Is that

Speaker 9

in the healthcare? That is in healthcare and the Medicaid reimbursement. So This asset in particular sits in Iowa and they have increased their reimbursement rates. So that should help that along. The warehouse property, I think the issue there is centered around The owner has a lot of other property in Portland and Portland is the real estate market is under some stress there.

Speaker 10

Yes, yes, that's probably an understatement. Okay. And then just On your construction loan yields as these things fund, I'm a little surprised that the rates I know they were booked a while ago, but I'm still surprised that Those rates are kind of below portfolio yields. I guess, what do you typically charge on a construction loan?

Speaker 3

So Matt, again, those were that pricing was all put in place like 12 months ago. And so it's just rolling forward. It's the same thing we talked about last quarter. It is low compared To what we would do today, but that's just going to flow through and it's going to impact us for the next three quarters.

Speaker 2

And the reason why the draws are coming in now because we make the owner put in their equity first. So they fully utilize their money first Before we start funding, so that's why it's kind of delayed in the funding.

Speaker 9

Yes. Just to add on to what Kevin said, We had tightened our construction lending, so there was more equity coming in. So that is just going to delay it even more. So that's what you're seeing. Some of the stuff goes back even more than 12 months.

Speaker 3

The good news on that is that the rate, we know that At the rate that the customer is being charged, the deal works. And so we shouldn't see Asset quality issues as a result of our construction findings.

Speaker 10

Yes. Okay. And then just any update on share repurchase And your appetite there?

Speaker 3

Yes. So I mean, in my prepared remarks, Matt, I just said it's kind of off the table right now. Although the Stock price is very attractive, and it would make sense just in this environment. We're not going to pull that trigger at this time. If things change going forward and deposits stabilize and things start to come back, then we'll revisit that.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Rulis from D. A. Davidson. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to nail down the level NII and non interest income For 2022, just to kind of for your guidance on growth and decline off each of those, just what those figures were specifically?

Speaker 3

So non interest income, again, we said down low to mid single digits over last year Securities losses, that puts us right in the mid-40s with that building into the back half of the year. So that's non interest income. And then on net interest income, again, lower single digit growth on a core basis, operating basis.

Speaker 11

Okay. The base is going

Speaker 4

to Yes, Jeff, it's John. If you just take the reported Non FTE net interest income from last year back down purchase accounting from that, you'll get a number in the, call it, dollars 8.90 to 8.95 $1,000,000 So that's the base.

Speaker 7

Got it.

Speaker 11

Got it. And then Just on those two migration of credits, were those pretty equal share in terms of size? I think Now, accruals up $20,000,000 So was it 10 apiece or just looking for the size of those credits?

Speaker 3

So it's kind of a 1 third, 2 thirds split, so $7,000,000 $13,000,000

Speaker 11

Okay. The Portland's Warehouse the larger?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 11

Okay. Got it. And then if while we're housekeeping, Marci, just the tax rate Do you expect for the balance of the year?

Speaker 3

Okay. So the tax rate was a little bit higher this quarter and that was really the result of an equity based on the stock that vested in the Q1 vested at a lower price than what it was issued at. So that requires A one time adjustment to tax expense, so that's hence our guidance, it went from 23% to 24% to 23.5% to 24 Again, just as a result and it's reflective of that one time adjustment in the Q1. Yes. So it will go down.

Speaker 3

It will go lower.

Speaker 7

Yes. Go forward.

Speaker 11

Right. The 23.5% to 24% is full year inclusive of Q1's?

Speaker 3

Full year inclusive, yes. Full year inclusive of Q1.

Speaker 11

Okay. Great. Thank

Speaker 4

you. You bet.

Operator

This concludes our Q and A. I'll now hand back to Kevin Reilly, President and CEO, for any final remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you for your questions. And as always, we welcome calls from our investors and analysts. Please reach out to us if you have any follow-up questions. Thanks for tuning in today. Goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, today's call has now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your

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