NASDAQ:PPBI Pacific Premier Bancorp Q1 2023 Earnings Report $20.60 -0.64 (-3.01%) Closing price 04/25/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$20.58 -0.02 (-0.10%) As of 04/25/2025 05:20 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Pacific Premier Bancorp EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.66Consensus EPS $0.71Beat/MissMissed by -$0.05One Year Ago EPS$0.70Pacific Premier Bancorp Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$242.53 millionExpected Revenue$196.23 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$46.30 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/APacific Premier Bancorp Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date4/27/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, April 27, 2023Conference Call Time12:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Pacific Premier Bancorp Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 27, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Pacific Premier Bancorp Q1 2023 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please also note today's event is being recorded. And at this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Steve Gardner, Chairman and CEO. Operator00:00:34Sir, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Jamie. Good morning, everyone. I appreciate you joining us today. As you are all aware, we released our earnings report for the Q1 of on our financial results. If you've not done so already, we encourage you to visit our Investor Relations website to download a copy of the presentation and related materials. Speaker 100:01:05I note that our earnings release and investor presentation include a Safe Harbor statement relative to the forward looking comments. I encourage each of you to read carefully that statement. In terms of today's call, I will walk through some of the notable items related to our Q1 performance. Ron Nicholas, our CFO, will also review a few of the details on our financial results, and then we will open up the call to questions. We delivered another quarter of solid financial performance in a challenging operating environment, while maintaining a conservative approach to our overall balance Our first quarter total revenue was $189,800,000 and we generated earnings per share of $0.66 We continue to produce solid returns with a return on average assets of 1.15 percent and a return on tangible common equity of 13.9%. Speaker 100:02:09Despite the uncertain macroeconomic environment In the impact from 475 basis points of Fed Funds rate increases since March of 2022, Our Q1 return on tangible common equity remained relatively consistent when compared to the Q1 of last year. Our tangible common equity ratio finished the quarter at 9.2%. Our first quarter CET1 And total risk based capital ratios increased 55 basis points to 13.54% and 16.33%, respectively. Our quarter end capital levels ranked us in the upper quartile of the KBW Regional Banking Index with respect to our TCE ratio and our regulatory capital ratios. Our strong capital levels provide us with significant optionality and flexibility in terms of balance sheet management. Speaker 100:03:10Our performance in this environment demonstrates the resiliency of our relationship based commercial banking business model. Our bankers develop and maintain high quality, long tenured client relationships based on a relentless commitment to provide best in class Service. Pacific Premier is a diversified commercial bank with a conservative credit culture that focuses on Main Street Businesses by offering traditional products and services to small and medium sized companies, entrepreneurs, real estate investors And non profit organizations. The recent bank failures have highlighted the importance of sound enterprise risk management practices and providing stability through prudent and proactive capital and liquidity management. Dating back to early 2022 And aligned with our long standing commitment to disciplined risk management, we prioritized accelerating our capital accumulation, enhancing liquidity and intentionally moderating our growth rates by increasing loan pricing and selectively tightening underwriting standards. Speaker 100:04:25Regarding our deposit base, uninsured and uncollateralized deposits represented 35% of total deposits at March 31. At the end of the Q1, we had an aggregate of approximately $10,000,000,000 of liquidity available to us, representing an uninsured deposit coverage ratio of 1.7 times. Our end of quarter liquidity consisted of over $1,400,000,000 of cash on hand and $8,600,000,000 of unused borrowing capacity. Notably, we paid down our FHLB borrowings by $200,000,000 during the quarter, and we did not utilize the Federal Reserve discount window or the Federal Reserve's new bank term funding program at any point during the quarter. Our disciplined, prudent and proactive approach to managing Capital and liquidity helped us navigate a turbulent quarter. Speaker 100:05:26During this rising rate environment In the industry wide volatility experienced during the quarter, we selectively raised deposit pricing to mitigate deposit outflows. We continue to leverage our investments in technology and comprehensive cash management solutions to foster deeper and more integrated banking relationships. During the Q1, average commercial deposits declined in part due to some clients seeking higher returns on their excess balances as well as market turmoil. Although we saw some outflows in certain core deposit products during the quarter, the quality of our client relationships coupled with disciplined pricing resulted in a relatively modest increase in the average cost of core deposits to 54 basis points. During the quarter, we also added some brokered time deposits of varying maturities to bolster liquidity as our loan to deposit ratio decreased to 82.4%. Speaker 100:06:29We remain focused on managing our funding costs and deposit flows and expect further pressure on each to continue in the Q2 as some clients deploy excess liquidity into higher yielding alternatives. Notably, we are seeing attractive opportunities to gain new clients given dislocations in our market. Our customers are widely dispersed across a diverse set of established industries from both the depository and lending relationship perspective. Many of the loan origination trends in the Q1 were similar to the Q4 with muted borrower demand coupled with our intentional moderation of loan growth. During the Q1, we did see a reduction in our loan portfolio from the prior quarter due to both a lower level of demand in connection with higher interest rates, particularly in CRE and multifamily and our proactive actions to tighten underwriting standards and raise loan pricing. Speaker 100:07:33We remain focused on providing best in class service to our clients, while also originating loans that meet our risk adjusted return thresholds, as evidenced by the average yield on new loan commitments increasing 109 basis points over the prior quarter to 7.43%. We continue to be disciplined in our approach to managing credit risk. Our asset quality remains solid as non performing loans declined from the prior quarter and our non performing assets totaled 0.14% of total loans. Our team does an outstanding job proactively managing our high quality diverse loan portfolio. We have regular with our borrowers relative to their business, their financial performance and overall trends in the market, which helps inform our approach to managing overall credit risks. Speaker 100:08:32With that, I'll turn the call over to Ron to to provide a few more details on our Q1 financial results. Speaker 200:08:39Thanks, Steve, and good morning. For comparison purposes, the majority of my remarks are on a linked quarter basis. Let's start with the quarter's financial highlights. 1st quarter net income totaled $62,600,000 $0.66 per share And our return on average assets and average tangible common equity were 1.15% 13.89%, respectively. Total revenue was $189,800,000 and non interest expense came in at $101,400,000 As a result, our efficiency ratio equaled 51.7% for the quarter and our pre provision net revenue as a percentage of average assets was 1.63%. Speaker 200:09:30All of our regulatory capital ratios increased as did tangible book value per share and our TCE ratio increased 32 basis points to 9.20%. Lastly, asset quality remains solid and we further enhanced our contingent liquidity sources to $10,000,000,000 Let's take a closer look at the income statement. Net interest income decreased to $168,600,000 as a result of higher cost of funds as well as lower average loan balances and 2 fewer days of interest income in the quarter. On the funding side, both our deposit mix as well as our higher cost of funds impacted the net interest margin. Our core deposit cost Rose 23 basis points to 0.54 percent and total deposit costs were 94 basis points, reflecting an increase in both retail CDs and broker deposit balances in the quarter. Speaker 200:10:34As a result, the 1st quarter net interest margin narrowed 17 basis points to 3.44%. As we noted earlier, we have continued to increase our loan pricing, which contributed to an 18 basis point increase in earning asset yields, offset by the higher cost of funds. Regarding our 2nd quarter expectations for net interest income, Although we will likely see continued benefit from the March rate hike and higher rates on new loan originations, We anticipate continued net interest margin pressure from an increasing deposit costs and potential changes in deposit mix. We will continue to balance liquidity and net interest margin considerations, while evaluating opportunities to pay down higher cost funding. Non interest income of $21,200,000 Increased $689,000 from the prior quarter, driven by $1,300,000 increase in annual tax related trust fees received during the Q1. Speaker 200:11:45These increases were partially offset by lower other non interest income as well as lower revenues in our escrow and exchange business, which continues to be impacted by lower transaction activity in the commercial real estate market. For the Q2 of 2023, we expect our total non interest income to be in the range of $19,000,000 to $20,000,000 excluding any loan or securities sales. Non interest expense increased $2,200,000 to $101,400,000 primarily due to a $1,700,000 increase in our deposit costs and a $962,000 increase in FDIC insurance premiums. Compensation and benefits expense Was flat at $54,300,000 reflecting lower staffing, bonus and incentive accruals, partially offset by higher payroll taxes and lower loan origination cost deferrals. We continue to manage expenses prudently and our expectations for the Q2 are approximately $102,000,000 to $103,000,000 due to continued increases in deposit expense as well as the full quarter impact of annual merit increases. Speaker 200:13:10Our provision for credit losses of $3,000,000 increased slightly compared to the prior quarter's provision expense of $2,800,000 While we have not seen any meaningful deterioration in asset quality, we are closely monitoring the macro systemic issues impacting our borrowers, such as slowing economic activity, inflationary pressures, as well as higher interest rates. Turning now to the balance sheet. Total loans held for investment declined $504,000,000 driven by lower loan fundings of $117,000,000 Given higher interest rates, loan demand and refinance activity has slowed considerably. Lower originations in the last two quarters have been partially offset by lower prepayments, payoffs and maturities of approximately $500,000,000 on average, compared with $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 in earlier 2022 quarters. Consistent with our balance sheet strategy, we expect these trends to continue at least through the first half of twenty twenty three, with scheduled amortization and maturities totaling $1,300,000,000 over the next three quarters. Speaker 200:14:29Deposits ended the quarter at $17,200,000,000 which represented a linked quarter decrease of $145,000,000 reflecting a mix shift towards retail CDs and brokered time deposits. The linked quarter decrease was largely driven by a decline in core deposits as some customers redeployed their funds into higher yielding alternatives. To help manage our liquidity position and customer deposit flows, we added another $324,000,000 in term broker deposits, laddered across 3 to 18 month terms and $171,000,000 of retail CDs during the quarter. This helped to increase cash on hand to $1,400,000,000 as of March 31 and provided additional interest rate protection should rates continue to move higher. The securities portfolio decreased $127,000,000 to $3,900,000,000 compared to the 4th quarter as we sold approximately $300,000,000 of investment securities. Speaker 200:15:36The average yield on our investment securities portfolio increased 18 basis points to 2.57 percent with a spot yield of 2.45% We anticipate approximately $300,000,000 in Cash flow from the amortization and maturities of our investment portfolio over the remainder of the year and reinvestment will be dependent upon deposit flows and liquidity considerations. The combination of solid earnings and a smaller balance further strengthened our risk based capital ratios this quarter with all increasing significantly from December 31, 2022. In addition, our tangible common equity increased to 9.20 percent and our tangible book value per share increased to $19.61 Further, if you added in the fair value impact of our held to maturity securities portfolio, We would remain well capitalized across all regulatory capital ratios and our pro form a TCE ratio Would be 8.39%. We continue to operate the institution from a position of capital strength to maximize strategic optionality and investor and regulatory expectations regarding capital maintenance. Finally, from an asset quality standpoint, asset quality remains stable as both nonperforming loans of 0.18 percent and delinquent loans of 0.14 percent, each as a percentage of total loans improved from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:17:19Our allowance for credit loss was effectively flat in terms of dollars and our coverage ratio increased 5 basis points to 1.38%. Our total loss absorption, which includes a fair value discount on loans acquired through acquisition, Finish the quarter at 1.74 percent. We would not anticipate any decreases in our coverage ratio given the uncertain economic environment and could see a potential significant increase if an economic downturn materializes. With that, I'll turn the call back to Steve. Speaker 100:17:57Great. Thanks, Ron, and I'll wrap up with a few comments about our outlook. First, I'm grateful for the extraordinary effort our team took forth during this past quarter for the benefit of all of our stakeholders, including our clients, communities, employees and our shareholders. As noted earlier, beginning in 2022, We shifted to a more cautionary posture by intentionally slowing our balance sheet growth, while building capital and liquidity. Historically, our conservative approach has enabled us to effectively manage through a variety of cycles and consistently deliver Strong financial results. Speaker 100:18:38At this point, it is difficult to forecast how the economic environment will develop and to project its impact on our clients' businesses. We believe we are well prepared for a variety of outcomes depending upon how the economy evolves over the coming quarters. Regarding expense management, we will continue to invest in the franchise. However, staffing levels are expected to be commensurate with the level of business activity and we have taken steps to ensure our teams are appropriately aligned. Our capital management priorities remain focused on deploying capital in a manner that will benefit all of our stakeholders while allowing us a high degree of flexibility and optionality. Speaker 100:19:22We remain opportunistic and open minded to strategic transactions that will maximize Long term shareholder value. In summary, we have built a quality franchise and our colleagues have once again delivered for our stakeholders. Given the strength of our balance sheet and strong capital levels, combined with our results oriented culture, We expect to capitalize on opportunities to acquire new clients and expand existing relationships. That concludes our prepared remarks and we would be happy to answer any questions. Jamie, please open up the call for questions. Operator00:20:32And our first question today comes from Matthew Clark from Piper Speaker 300:20:43Maybe just First one for me on deposit flows. Can you just give us a sense for what you saw in the month of January, February, March, I assume most of it occurred in March. And then any update on in terms of flows April quarter to date? Speaker 100:21:05Yes. We saw obviously following the Silicon Valley and Signature Bank announcements That weekend, a high volume of call activity from clients that week, we saw some levels of increased Outflows, mainly to treasuries and to a lesser extent maybe some of the G SIFIs. But by the end of that by the following week, that had really died down pretty Significantly. And so I consider our flows here this quarter the beginning of the second quarter as Pretty consistent. We've seen a little bit of outflow mainly due to tax payments and the like As well as to a lesser extent, again, those clients that are sitting on excess liquidity, Redeploying that into higher treasuries, but we're managing it. Speaker 100:22:07Our team is doing a great job. And as I mentioned, We're seeing some attractive opportunities out there to add clients as well. Speaker 300:22:18And given your presence up in the Pacific Northwest and First Republic having some presence there as well as obviously California, I mean, Is there an opportunity to promote your capital ratios and try to get some of those deposits? I know it's a little bit of a different model, but it does seem like there's a lot of deposits up for grabs even though most of it might be going to the larger banks. Speaker 100:22:44Yes. I don't want to comment on any open banks. But certainly, I mean, Matthew, you see in our investor slide deck, we highlight pretty We highlight pretty significantly the strength of our capital where we rank compared to our peer group In the KRX. And so yes, we think that that is an important differentiator for us. I know many of our clients who we've talked to and that our bankers have talked to find that very reassuring, the Strength of our capital position. Speaker 100:23:19And so we do see it benefiting us as we talk with various folks. Speaker 300:23:28Okay. And then just shifting to the securities portfolio, any appetite to just blow out of your AFS portfolio and you have a ton of capital and could earn it back, I think, in a relatively reasonable time period, at least shorter than What it takes for those securities to mature, any willingness there? Speaker 100:23:50It's something that we've looked at More than once and discussed with the Board. And in fact on Slide 10 in our deck, we highlight That's if in fact we were to sell the entire securities portfolio. Our capital ratios We'd remain significantly above the well capitalized level. And in fact, even under that scenario, I believe we'd be above the peer median on all capital ratios. So You're right. Speaker 100:24:28We do have a lot of flexibility and optionality. We'll continue to think about it and make determinations with an eye towards what's best for the institution in the long term. Speaker 300:24:46Okay. And then just on loan balances, I mean, I don't think most care to see loan growth right now anyway. And it's good to see that you guys have raised pricing. But I mean, should we just Assume that loans continue to shrink here just given the tightening of standards and weaker demand? Speaker 100:25:08I think that's a reasonable assumption here. As we move into the second quarter, we'll see how the second half of the year plays out. We're being pretty Selective in the credit that we're extending. And then of course, as we Commended demand is pretty light. But again, this is something that we began implementing in 2022. Speaker 100:25:36So I don't see it changing here this quarter. Speaker 300:25:41Okay. And last one for me, just on M and A. Have conversations picked up at all? Speaker 100:25:47No. Speaker 300:25:50Easy enough. Thank you. Speaker 100:25:51Sure thing. Operator00:25:54Our next question comes from Chris McGratty from KBW. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:26:00Hey, good morning. Steve, you were one of the first banks to pull back. And it's obviously pain in spades with your balance sheet. What's it going to take or is it the passage of time? Speaker 100:26:12Is it something you have to Speaker 400:26:13see in the economy for you to kind of flip the script, because it would feel like you've got a position that others don't have? Speaker 100:26:21Yes. I think that there's a variety of factors that you take into consideration. It's obviously It's a dynamic economy, a dynamic marketplace that we operate in and We'll see how it all plays out, Chris. I don't think that there's a single marker out there per se. We really want to see how things develop here. Speaker 100:26:49I think we're in a very unusual period of time and We talk about it quite a bit at the Board level that we've been 15 years of 0 interest rates, followed by or nearly 15 years, call it, of 0 interest rates since the financial crisis, followed by an injection of approximately $10,000,000,000,000 into the economy over a very short period of time, which translated into very strong growth and, of course, High levels of inflation. And so now as the Fed is pretty rapidly Raising rates 4 75 basis points in a year's period of time and engaged in quantitative tightening And now coupled with a likely pullback in just general credit, I think those dynamics Just lead 1 to be pretty cautious and that's how we're thinking about the environment at least at this point. But We'll continue to monitor it because we all know it will absolutely change here. Speaker 400:27:58Thanks. In a follow-up to Matt's question about acquisitions. Is there a scenario where you would would you buy your stock right here? Obviously, there's a lot of uncertainty. Most banks have paused. Speaker 400:28:11But just interested if there's is it prudent to buy stock here? Speaker 100:28:16I think that we obviously have an approved stock buyback plan from the Board. We haven't executed on it in nearly 2 years. That's we've benefited from it from the levels of capital that we have. And so we'll continue to think about it, taking into consideration the outlook and the risks that we see in the environment and then within our own portfolio and how it performs as well. So we'll take that all into consideration. Speaker 100:28:52And the Board is very thoughtful in how it thinks about capital management. Speaker 400:29:00Great. And if I could just run, I want to make sure I got the numbers on the bond cash flows. You referenced $1,300,000,000 but then you also referenced $300,000,000 you just square up what the maybe I heard you wrong, the cash flows that are kind of come off over the next few quarters? Speaker 200:29:15Yes, sure. The $1,300,000,000 is off of the loan portfolio. Speaker 400:29:20Okay. Speaker 200:29:21Yes. And the $300,000,000 more or less $100,000,000 a quarter is off of the securities portfolio. Speaker 100:29:26The $1,300,000,000 is an estimate for the next 3 quarters. Speaker 200:29:30That's right. So the remainder of the year, next 3 quarters, yes. Speaker 400:29:33Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:29:35Sure thing. Operator00:29:37And our next question comes from Gary Tenner from D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:29:43Thanks guys. Good morning. Speaker 100:29:44Good morning, Gary. Speaker 600:29:45A lot of my questions were asked, but I was curious in the Asturys portfolio, the movement of $400,000,000 of CMOs to help health maturity in the quarter. Obviously, we saw a lot of shifts from AFS and health maturity last year. Just curious about the timing doing that now. Do you have a bias towards higher interest rates and wanted to kind of protect yourself? What's the thought process on doing that now? Speaker 100:30:09Part of that was that occurred early in the quarter As we were thinking about things. And so certainly before some of the turmoil that, of course, we saw in early March. Ron, do you have anything to add? Speaker 200:30:25No, I think that's spot on, Steve. And Gary, obviously we have the intent to hold those to maturity and we just felt at At this point in time or at least at that point in time, that was the prudent thing to do. And so we went ahead and made That decision. Speaker 100:30:44And we still feel it's the prudent decision. Speaker 200:30:46Yes, we do. Speaker 500:30:49Okay. All right, great. Speaker 600:30:50And then Just from a kind of as you think about on balance sheet cash, cash liquidity, running as many are a little bit higher. What's your sense of kind of how long you kind of manage to that higher on balance sheet liquidity level versus kind of normalizing to where you were, say, Speaker 100:31:11Sure. I think over time that, that comes down. At the same time, we're earning pretty good returns on cash today. I actually look like we actually look like we know what we're doing in that regard. So I'd expect it, Gary, to over Time come Speaker 600:31:33down. Okay, great. And I know this was kind of this was asked, but Yes. And Ron sort of addressed it, I think, with the commentary around the $1,300,000,000 of projected loan pay downs. But you've had 4 consecutive quarters of loan contraction now obviously falling from when you kind of tighten things up on pricing and underwriting early last year. Speaker 600:31:54There doesn't seem to be a real path, if you will, towards net loan growth from here to the end of the year. Just I know you've kind of addressed it. It seems like maybe later in the year there's some opportunity, but The way things layer right now, it seems unlikely. Speaker 100:32:15Yes. As I said, that's I'd Expect that trend to continue in the second quarter. We'll see how the second half of the year plays out. A part of this is, too, we're just seeing Much less in the way of demand for new credit in the marketplace. I think that Many investors are adjusting to the current rate environment and thinking about What is the discount rate that I'm going to put on the cash flows of whether it's real estate or a business? Speaker 100:32:49What's the terminal cap rate That I think is appropriate for the business or real estate. And so as I think we get Better clarity maybe as we get to the terminal rate wherever that might be with Fed funds and how this Tightening cycle plays out and the length and the duration of it As investors get better clarity and understanding, then we'd expect them to start to put more capital to work. And that would certainly benefit us as well. But at the end of the day, as we've talked about, we've been pretty cautious On the outlook here and have got to ensure that the risk adjusted returns meet our hurdles. That was a long winded way of not saying much, but thinking We'll see how it plays out in the second half of the year. Operator00:34:01And our next question comes from Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:34:07Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:34:09Good morning. Speaker 500:34:11Ron, maybe just quickly on the margin. I think I heard you in prepared remarks Kind of the expectations for some continued margin pressure. I guess you guys should benefit your non interest bearing mix has held up throughout the quarter. I think a lot better than some peers have. But just when you think about the cadence of the margin compression going forward, I guess, would you expect The cadence of quarterly compression to slow relative to the Q1 going forward? Speaker 200:34:40You know, Andrew, that's a very good question and a difficult one to answer. Obviously, I think the industry and certainly we can believe that the deposit costs and You are still moving at maybe even a faster pace of course than the remaining rate hikes here At least in the foreseeable future here. So the cadence would I would expect it to be similar, But again, very, very difficult. As Steve likes to say, you can't model human behavior. And we're going to be very mindful of liquidity, but of course, we're going to also be very mindful of our Protecting our net interest margin and as I stated, we're going to be opportunistic in terms of trying pay down higher funding costs when those opportunities arise. Speaker 500:35:42Yes. Understood. Okay. And I apologize if I missed it. Did you give the spot rate at the end of the period on total deposits? Speaker 200:35:51It's in our presentation. I believe the core is 61, I believe, and the total deposit is 1 On a spot rate basis. Yes. Speaker 500:36:02Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And then maybe for Steve, I really appreciate all the commentary and color in the deck On the office exposure, I think it mentioned you had very minimal exposure to Class A high rise or central business districts. I guess the question is, do you have any exposure to the Class A or central business areas? Speaker 500:36:25And if so, can you talk about the specific markets that might be And the underwriting of those maybe larger credits and then how occupancy levels are trending there, just any incremental color on some the larger office properties in your portfolio? Speaker 100:36:41I don't know off the top of my head what the number is, but it's Pretty de minimis. We've just never been we historically have not been ones to make really large loans and that typically Class Buildings require that. We have relatively limited amount of participations. If we have them, they're typically from ones that we've because of a bank that we've acquired where we've inherited it. So it's It's pretty de minimis, if any, frankly. Speaker 100:37:18But we could get that. And the other thing is we just don't do much In those central business districts, call it the downtown. So whether it's downtown L. A. Or San Francisco, Seattle. Speaker 100:37:33It's just not what we've historically done. Speaker 500:37:39Okay. I appreciate you taking the questions and congrats on the good quarter. Speaker 400:37:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:37:46And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We thank you for joining. 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Email Address About Pacific Premier BancorpPacific Premier Bancorp (NASDAQ:PPBI) operates as the bank holding company for Pacific Premier Bank that provides various banking products and services in the United States. The company accepts deposit products, which includes checking, money market, savings accounts, and certificates of deposit. Its loan portfolio includes commercial real estate owner and non-owner-occupied, multifamily, construction and land, franchise real estate secured, and small business administration (SBA); revolving lines of credit, term loans, seasonal loans, and loans secured by liquid collateral; one-to-four family and home equity lines of credit loans; and small balance personal unsecured loans and savings account secured loans. It also offers cash management, online and mobile banking, and treasury management services, as well as payment processing, remote capture, and automated clearing house payment capabilities. In addition, it operates as a custodian for alternative assets held in qualified self-directed IRA accounts, including investments in private equity, real estate, notes, cash, and other non-exchange traded assets; and provides real-property and non-real property escrow services. The company serves small and middle-market businesses, corporations, professionals, real estate investors, non-profit organizations, and consumers. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Pacific Premier Bancorp Q1 2023 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please also note today's event is being recorded. And at this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Steve Gardner, Chairman and CEO. Operator00:00:34Sir, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Jamie. Good morning, everyone. I appreciate you joining us today. As you are all aware, we released our earnings report for the Q1 of on our financial results. If you've not done so already, we encourage you to visit our Investor Relations website to download a copy of the presentation and related materials. Speaker 100:01:05I note that our earnings release and investor presentation include a Safe Harbor statement relative to the forward looking comments. I encourage each of you to read carefully that statement. In terms of today's call, I will walk through some of the notable items related to our Q1 performance. Ron Nicholas, our CFO, will also review a few of the details on our financial results, and then we will open up the call to questions. We delivered another quarter of solid financial performance in a challenging operating environment, while maintaining a conservative approach to our overall balance Our first quarter total revenue was $189,800,000 and we generated earnings per share of $0.66 We continue to produce solid returns with a return on average assets of 1.15 percent and a return on tangible common equity of 13.9%. Speaker 100:02:09Despite the uncertain macroeconomic environment In the impact from 475 basis points of Fed Funds rate increases since March of 2022, Our Q1 return on tangible common equity remained relatively consistent when compared to the Q1 of last year. Our tangible common equity ratio finished the quarter at 9.2%. Our first quarter CET1 And total risk based capital ratios increased 55 basis points to 13.54% and 16.33%, respectively. Our quarter end capital levels ranked us in the upper quartile of the KBW Regional Banking Index with respect to our TCE ratio and our regulatory capital ratios. Our strong capital levels provide us with significant optionality and flexibility in terms of balance sheet management. Speaker 100:03:10Our performance in this environment demonstrates the resiliency of our relationship based commercial banking business model. Our bankers develop and maintain high quality, long tenured client relationships based on a relentless commitment to provide best in class Service. Pacific Premier is a diversified commercial bank with a conservative credit culture that focuses on Main Street Businesses by offering traditional products and services to small and medium sized companies, entrepreneurs, real estate investors And non profit organizations. The recent bank failures have highlighted the importance of sound enterprise risk management practices and providing stability through prudent and proactive capital and liquidity management. Dating back to early 2022 And aligned with our long standing commitment to disciplined risk management, we prioritized accelerating our capital accumulation, enhancing liquidity and intentionally moderating our growth rates by increasing loan pricing and selectively tightening underwriting standards. Speaker 100:04:25Regarding our deposit base, uninsured and uncollateralized deposits represented 35% of total deposits at March 31. At the end of the Q1, we had an aggregate of approximately $10,000,000,000 of liquidity available to us, representing an uninsured deposit coverage ratio of 1.7 times. Our end of quarter liquidity consisted of over $1,400,000,000 of cash on hand and $8,600,000,000 of unused borrowing capacity. Notably, we paid down our FHLB borrowings by $200,000,000 during the quarter, and we did not utilize the Federal Reserve discount window or the Federal Reserve's new bank term funding program at any point during the quarter. Our disciplined, prudent and proactive approach to managing Capital and liquidity helped us navigate a turbulent quarter. Speaker 100:05:26During this rising rate environment In the industry wide volatility experienced during the quarter, we selectively raised deposit pricing to mitigate deposit outflows. We continue to leverage our investments in technology and comprehensive cash management solutions to foster deeper and more integrated banking relationships. During the Q1, average commercial deposits declined in part due to some clients seeking higher returns on their excess balances as well as market turmoil. Although we saw some outflows in certain core deposit products during the quarter, the quality of our client relationships coupled with disciplined pricing resulted in a relatively modest increase in the average cost of core deposits to 54 basis points. During the quarter, we also added some brokered time deposits of varying maturities to bolster liquidity as our loan to deposit ratio decreased to 82.4%. Speaker 100:06:29We remain focused on managing our funding costs and deposit flows and expect further pressure on each to continue in the Q2 as some clients deploy excess liquidity into higher yielding alternatives. Notably, we are seeing attractive opportunities to gain new clients given dislocations in our market. Our customers are widely dispersed across a diverse set of established industries from both the depository and lending relationship perspective. Many of the loan origination trends in the Q1 were similar to the Q4 with muted borrower demand coupled with our intentional moderation of loan growth. During the Q1, we did see a reduction in our loan portfolio from the prior quarter due to both a lower level of demand in connection with higher interest rates, particularly in CRE and multifamily and our proactive actions to tighten underwriting standards and raise loan pricing. Speaker 100:07:33We remain focused on providing best in class service to our clients, while also originating loans that meet our risk adjusted return thresholds, as evidenced by the average yield on new loan commitments increasing 109 basis points over the prior quarter to 7.43%. We continue to be disciplined in our approach to managing credit risk. Our asset quality remains solid as non performing loans declined from the prior quarter and our non performing assets totaled 0.14% of total loans. Our team does an outstanding job proactively managing our high quality diverse loan portfolio. We have regular with our borrowers relative to their business, their financial performance and overall trends in the market, which helps inform our approach to managing overall credit risks. Speaker 100:08:32With that, I'll turn the call over to Ron to to provide a few more details on our Q1 financial results. Speaker 200:08:39Thanks, Steve, and good morning. For comparison purposes, the majority of my remarks are on a linked quarter basis. Let's start with the quarter's financial highlights. 1st quarter net income totaled $62,600,000 $0.66 per share And our return on average assets and average tangible common equity were 1.15% 13.89%, respectively. Total revenue was $189,800,000 and non interest expense came in at $101,400,000 As a result, our efficiency ratio equaled 51.7% for the quarter and our pre provision net revenue as a percentage of average assets was 1.63%. Speaker 200:09:30All of our regulatory capital ratios increased as did tangible book value per share and our TCE ratio increased 32 basis points to 9.20%. Lastly, asset quality remains solid and we further enhanced our contingent liquidity sources to $10,000,000,000 Let's take a closer look at the income statement. Net interest income decreased to $168,600,000 as a result of higher cost of funds as well as lower average loan balances and 2 fewer days of interest income in the quarter. On the funding side, both our deposit mix as well as our higher cost of funds impacted the net interest margin. Our core deposit cost Rose 23 basis points to 0.54 percent and total deposit costs were 94 basis points, reflecting an increase in both retail CDs and broker deposit balances in the quarter. Speaker 200:10:34As a result, the 1st quarter net interest margin narrowed 17 basis points to 3.44%. As we noted earlier, we have continued to increase our loan pricing, which contributed to an 18 basis point increase in earning asset yields, offset by the higher cost of funds. Regarding our 2nd quarter expectations for net interest income, Although we will likely see continued benefit from the March rate hike and higher rates on new loan originations, We anticipate continued net interest margin pressure from an increasing deposit costs and potential changes in deposit mix. We will continue to balance liquidity and net interest margin considerations, while evaluating opportunities to pay down higher cost funding. Non interest income of $21,200,000 Increased $689,000 from the prior quarter, driven by $1,300,000 increase in annual tax related trust fees received during the Q1. Speaker 200:11:45These increases were partially offset by lower other non interest income as well as lower revenues in our escrow and exchange business, which continues to be impacted by lower transaction activity in the commercial real estate market. For the Q2 of 2023, we expect our total non interest income to be in the range of $19,000,000 to $20,000,000 excluding any loan or securities sales. Non interest expense increased $2,200,000 to $101,400,000 primarily due to a $1,700,000 increase in our deposit costs and a $962,000 increase in FDIC insurance premiums. Compensation and benefits expense Was flat at $54,300,000 reflecting lower staffing, bonus and incentive accruals, partially offset by higher payroll taxes and lower loan origination cost deferrals. We continue to manage expenses prudently and our expectations for the Q2 are approximately $102,000,000 to $103,000,000 due to continued increases in deposit expense as well as the full quarter impact of annual merit increases. Speaker 200:13:10Our provision for credit losses of $3,000,000 increased slightly compared to the prior quarter's provision expense of $2,800,000 While we have not seen any meaningful deterioration in asset quality, we are closely monitoring the macro systemic issues impacting our borrowers, such as slowing economic activity, inflationary pressures, as well as higher interest rates. Turning now to the balance sheet. Total loans held for investment declined $504,000,000 driven by lower loan fundings of $117,000,000 Given higher interest rates, loan demand and refinance activity has slowed considerably. Lower originations in the last two quarters have been partially offset by lower prepayments, payoffs and maturities of approximately $500,000,000 on average, compared with $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 in earlier 2022 quarters. Consistent with our balance sheet strategy, we expect these trends to continue at least through the first half of twenty twenty three, with scheduled amortization and maturities totaling $1,300,000,000 over the next three quarters. Speaker 200:14:29Deposits ended the quarter at $17,200,000,000 which represented a linked quarter decrease of $145,000,000 reflecting a mix shift towards retail CDs and brokered time deposits. The linked quarter decrease was largely driven by a decline in core deposits as some customers redeployed their funds into higher yielding alternatives. To help manage our liquidity position and customer deposit flows, we added another $324,000,000 in term broker deposits, laddered across 3 to 18 month terms and $171,000,000 of retail CDs during the quarter. This helped to increase cash on hand to $1,400,000,000 as of March 31 and provided additional interest rate protection should rates continue to move higher. The securities portfolio decreased $127,000,000 to $3,900,000,000 compared to the 4th quarter as we sold approximately $300,000,000 of investment securities. Speaker 200:15:36The average yield on our investment securities portfolio increased 18 basis points to 2.57 percent with a spot yield of 2.45% We anticipate approximately $300,000,000 in Cash flow from the amortization and maturities of our investment portfolio over the remainder of the year and reinvestment will be dependent upon deposit flows and liquidity considerations. The combination of solid earnings and a smaller balance further strengthened our risk based capital ratios this quarter with all increasing significantly from December 31, 2022. In addition, our tangible common equity increased to 9.20 percent and our tangible book value per share increased to $19.61 Further, if you added in the fair value impact of our held to maturity securities portfolio, We would remain well capitalized across all regulatory capital ratios and our pro form a TCE ratio Would be 8.39%. We continue to operate the institution from a position of capital strength to maximize strategic optionality and investor and regulatory expectations regarding capital maintenance. Finally, from an asset quality standpoint, asset quality remains stable as both nonperforming loans of 0.18 percent and delinquent loans of 0.14 percent, each as a percentage of total loans improved from the prior quarter. Speaker 200:17:19Our allowance for credit loss was effectively flat in terms of dollars and our coverage ratio increased 5 basis points to 1.38%. Our total loss absorption, which includes a fair value discount on loans acquired through acquisition, Finish the quarter at 1.74 percent. We would not anticipate any decreases in our coverage ratio given the uncertain economic environment and could see a potential significant increase if an economic downturn materializes. With that, I'll turn the call back to Steve. Speaker 100:17:57Great. Thanks, Ron, and I'll wrap up with a few comments about our outlook. First, I'm grateful for the extraordinary effort our team took forth during this past quarter for the benefit of all of our stakeholders, including our clients, communities, employees and our shareholders. As noted earlier, beginning in 2022, We shifted to a more cautionary posture by intentionally slowing our balance sheet growth, while building capital and liquidity. Historically, our conservative approach has enabled us to effectively manage through a variety of cycles and consistently deliver Strong financial results. Speaker 100:18:38At this point, it is difficult to forecast how the economic environment will develop and to project its impact on our clients' businesses. We believe we are well prepared for a variety of outcomes depending upon how the economy evolves over the coming quarters. Regarding expense management, we will continue to invest in the franchise. However, staffing levels are expected to be commensurate with the level of business activity and we have taken steps to ensure our teams are appropriately aligned. Our capital management priorities remain focused on deploying capital in a manner that will benefit all of our stakeholders while allowing us a high degree of flexibility and optionality. Speaker 100:19:22We remain opportunistic and open minded to strategic transactions that will maximize Long term shareholder value. In summary, we have built a quality franchise and our colleagues have once again delivered for our stakeholders. Given the strength of our balance sheet and strong capital levels, combined with our results oriented culture, We expect to capitalize on opportunities to acquire new clients and expand existing relationships. That concludes our prepared remarks and we would be happy to answer any questions. Jamie, please open up the call for questions. Operator00:20:32And our first question today comes from Matthew Clark from Piper Speaker 300:20:43Maybe just First one for me on deposit flows. Can you just give us a sense for what you saw in the month of January, February, March, I assume most of it occurred in March. And then any update on in terms of flows April quarter to date? Speaker 100:21:05Yes. We saw obviously following the Silicon Valley and Signature Bank announcements That weekend, a high volume of call activity from clients that week, we saw some levels of increased Outflows, mainly to treasuries and to a lesser extent maybe some of the G SIFIs. But by the end of that by the following week, that had really died down pretty Significantly. And so I consider our flows here this quarter the beginning of the second quarter as Pretty consistent. We've seen a little bit of outflow mainly due to tax payments and the like As well as to a lesser extent, again, those clients that are sitting on excess liquidity, Redeploying that into higher treasuries, but we're managing it. Speaker 100:22:07Our team is doing a great job. And as I mentioned, We're seeing some attractive opportunities out there to add clients as well. Speaker 300:22:18And given your presence up in the Pacific Northwest and First Republic having some presence there as well as obviously California, I mean, Is there an opportunity to promote your capital ratios and try to get some of those deposits? I know it's a little bit of a different model, but it does seem like there's a lot of deposits up for grabs even though most of it might be going to the larger banks. Speaker 100:22:44Yes. I don't want to comment on any open banks. But certainly, I mean, Matthew, you see in our investor slide deck, we highlight pretty We highlight pretty significantly the strength of our capital where we rank compared to our peer group In the KRX. And so yes, we think that that is an important differentiator for us. I know many of our clients who we've talked to and that our bankers have talked to find that very reassuring, the Strength of our capital position. Speaker 100:23:19And so we do see it benefiting us as we talk with various folks. Speaker 300:23:28Okay. And then just shifting to the securities portfolio, any appetite to just blow out of your AFS portfolio and you have a ton of capital and could earn it back, I think, in a relatively reasonable time period, at least shorter than What it takes for those securities to mature, any willingness there? Speaker 100:23:50It's something that we've looked at More than once and discussed with the Board. And in fact on Slide 10 in our deck, we highlight That's if in fact we were to sell the entire securities portfolio. Our capital ratios We'd remain significantly above the well capitalized level. And in fact, even under that scenario, I believe we'd be above the peer median on all capital ratios. So You're right. Speaker 100:24:28We do have a lot of flexibility and optionality. We'll continue to think about it and make determinations with an eye towards what's best for the institution in the long term. Speaker 300:24:46Okay. And then just on loan balances, I mean, I don't think most care to see loan growth right now anyway. And it's good to see that you guys have raised pricing. But I mean, should we just Assume that loans continue to shrink here just given the tightening of standards and weaker demand? Speaker 100:25:08I think that's a reasonable assumption here. As we move into the second quarter, we'll see how the second half of the year plays out. We're being pretty Selective in the credit that we're extending. And then of course, as we Commended demand is pretty light. But again, this is something that we began implementing in 2022. Speaker 100:25:36So I don't see it changing here this quarter. Speaker 300:25:41Okay. And last one for me, just on M and A. Have conversations picked up at all? Speaker 100:25:47No. Speaker 300:25:50Easy enough. Thank you. Speaker 100:25:51Sure thing. Operator00:25:54Our next question comes from Chris McGratty from KBW. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:26:00Hey, good morning. Steve, you were one of the first banks to pull back. And it's obviously pain in spades with your balance sheet. What's it going to take or is it the passage of time? Speaker 100:26:12Is it something you have to Speaker 400:26:13see in the economy for you to kind of flip the script, because it would feel like you've got a position that others don't have? Speaker 100:26:21Yes. I think that there's a variety of factors that you take into consideration. It's obviously It's a dynamic economy, a dynamic marketplace that we operate in and We'll see how it all plays out, Chris. I don't think that there's a single marker out there per se. We really want to see how things develop here. Speaker 100:26:49I think we're in a very unusual period of time and We talk about it quite a bit at the Board level that we've been 15 years of 0 interest rates, followed by or nearly 15 years, call it, of 0 interest rates since the financial crisis, followed by an injection of approximately $10,000,000,000,000 into the economy over a very short period of time, which translated into very strong growth and, of course, High levels of inflation. And so now as the Fed is pretty rapidly Raising rates 4 75 basis points in a year's period of time and engaged in quantitative tightening And now coupled with a likely pullback in just general credit, I think those dynamics Just lead 1 to be pretty cautious and that's how we're thinking about the environment at least at this point. But We'll continue to monitor it because we all know it will absolutely change here. Speaker 400:27:58Thanks. In a follow-up to Matt's question about acquisitions. Is there a scenario where you would would you buy your stock right here? Obviously, there's a lot of uncertainty. Most banks have paused. Speaker 400:28:11But just interested if there's is it prudent to buy stock here? Speaker 100:28:16I think that we obviously have an approved stock buyback plan from the Board. We haven't executed on it in nearly 2 years. That's we've benefited from it from the levels of capital that we have. And so we'll continue to think about it, taking into consideration the outlook and the risks that we see in the environment and then within our own portfolio and how it performs as well. So we'll take that all into consideration. Speaker 100:28:52And the Board is very thoughtful in how it thinks about capital management. Speaker 400:29:00Great. And if I could just run, I want to make sure I got the numbers on the bond cash flows. You referenced $1,300,000,000 but then you also referenced $300,000,000 you just square up what the maybe I heard you wrong, the cash flows that are kind of come off over the next few quarters? Speaker 200:29:15Yes, sure. The $1,300,000,000 is off of the loan portfolio. Speaker 400:29:20Okay. Speaker 200:29:21Yes. And the $300,000,000 more or less $100,000,000 a quarter is off of the securities portfolio. Speaker 100:29:26The $1,300,000,000 is an estimate for the next 3 quarters. Speaker 200:29:30That's right. So the remainder of the year, next 3 quarters, yes. Speaker 400:29:33Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:29:35Sure thing. Operator00:29:37And our next question comes from Gary Tenner from D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:29:43Thanks guys. Good morning. Speaker 100:29:44Good morning, Gary. Speaker 600:29:45A lot of my questions were asked, but I was curious in the Asturys portfolio, the movement of $400,000,000 of CMOs to help health maturity in the quarter. Obviously, we saw a lot of shifts from AFS and health maturity last year. Just curious about the timing doing that now. Do you have a bias towards higher interest rates and wanted to kind of protect yourself? What's the thought process on doing that now? Speaker 100:30:09Part of that was that occurred early in the quarter As we were thinking about things. And so certainly before some of the turmoil that, of course, we saw in early March. Ron, do you have anything to add? Speaker 200:30:25No, I think that's spot on, Steve. And Gary, obviously we have the intent to hold those to maturity and we just felt at At this point in time or at least at that point in time, that was the prudent thing to do. And so we went ahead and made That decision. Speaker 100:30:44And we still feel it's the prudent decision. Speaker 200:30:46Yes, we do. Speaker 500:30:49Okay. All right, great. Speaker 600:30:50And then Just from a kind of as you think about on balance sheet cash, cash liquidity, running as many are a little bit higher. What's your sense of kind of how long you kind of manage to that higher on balance sheet liquidity level versus kind of normalizing to where you were, say, Speaker 100:31:11Sure. I think over time that, that comes down. At the same time, we're earning pretty good returns on cash today. I actually look like we actually look like we know what we're doing in that regard. So I'd expect it, Gary, to over Time come Speaker 600:31:33down. Okay, great. And I know this was kind of this was asked, but Yes. And Ron sort of addressed it, I think, with the commentary around the $1,300,000,000 of projected loan pay downs. But you've had 4 consecutive quarters of loan contraction now obviously falling from when you kind of tighten things up on pricing and underwriting early last year. Speaker 600:31:54There doesn't seem to be a real path, if you will, towards net loan growth from here to the end of the year. Just I know you've kind of addressed it. It seems like maybe later in the year there's some opportunity, but The way things layer right now, it seems unlikely. Speaker 100:32:15Yes. As I said, that's I'd Expect that trend to continue in the second quarter. We'll see how the second half of the year plays out. A part of this is, too, we're just seeing Much less in the way of demand for new credit in the marketplace. I think that Many investors are adjusting to the current rate environment and thinking about What is the discount rate that I'm going to put on the cash flows of whether it's real estate or a business? Speaker 100:32:49What's the terminal cap rate That I think is appropriate for the business or real estate. And so as I think we get Better clarity maybe as we get to the terminal rate wherever that might be with Fed funds and how this Tightening cycle plays out and the length and the duration of it As investors get better clarity and understanding, then we'd expect them to start to put more capital to work. And that would certainly benefit us as well. But at the end of the day, as we've talked about, we've been pretty cautious On the outlook here and have got to ensure that the risk adjusted returns meet our hurdles. That was a long winded way of not saying much, but thinking We'll see how it plays out in the second half of the year. Operator00:34:01And our next question comes from Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:34:07Hey, good morning. Speaker 400:34:09Good morning. Speaker 500:34:11Ron, maybe just quickly on the margin. I think I heard you in prepared remarks Kind of the expectations for some continued margin pressure. I guess you guys should benefit your non interest bearing mix has held up throughout the quarter. I think a lot better than some peers have. But just when you think about the cadence of the margin compression going forward, I guess, would you expect The cadence of quarterly compression to slow relative to the Q1 going forward? Speaker 200:34:40You know, Andrew, that's a very good question and a difficult one to answer. Obviously, I think the industry and certainly we can believe that the deposit costs and You are still moving at maybe even a faster pace of course than the remaining rate hikes here At least in the foreseeable future here. So the cadence would I would expect it to be similar, But again, very, very difficult. As Steve likes to say, you can't model human behavior. And we're going to be very mindful of liquidity, but of course, we're going to also be very mindful of our Protecting our net interest margin and as I stated, we're going to be opportunistic in terms of trying pay down higher funding costs when those opportunities arise. Speaker 500:35:42Yes. Understood. Okay. And I apologize if I missed it. Did you give the spot rate at the end of the period on total deposits? Speaker 200:35:51It's in our presentation. I believe the core is 61, I believe, and the total deposit is 1 On a spot rate basis. Yes. Speaker 500:36:02Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And then maybe for Steve, I really appreciate all the commentary and color in the deck On the office exposure, I think it mentioned you had very minimal exposure to Class A high rise or central business districts. I guess the question is, do you have any exposure to the Class A or central business areas? Speaker 500:36:25And if so, can you talk about the specific markets that might be And the underwriting of those maybe larger credits and then how occupancy levels are trending there, just any incremental color on some the larger office properties in your portfolio? Speaker 100:36:41I don't know off the top of my head what the number is, but it's Pretty de minimis. We've just never been we historically have not been ones to make really large loans and that typically Class Buildings require that. We have relatively limited amount of participations. If we have them, they're typically from ones that we've because of a bank that we've acquired where we've inherited it. So it's It's pretty de minimis, if any, frankly. Speaker 100:37:18But we could get that. And the other thing is we just don't do much In those central business districts, call it the downtown. So whether it's downtown L. A. Or San Francisco, Seattle. Speaker 100:37:33It's just not what we've historically done. Speaker 500:37:39Okay. I appreciate you taking the questions and congrats on the good quarter. Speaker 400:37:43Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:37:46And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect yourRead morePowered by