TSE:SES Secure Energy Services Q1 2023 Earnings Report C$12.87 +0.29 (+2.31%) As of 03:21 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Secure Energy Services EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.18Consensus EPS C$0.19Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/ASecure Energy Services Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$416.00 millionExpected Revenue$413.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$3.00 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASecure Energy Services Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date4/27/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, April 27, 2023Conference Call Time3:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Secure Energy Services Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 27, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Secure Energy Q1 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Thursday, April 27, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alison Prokub. Operator00:00:23Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you. Welcome to Secure's conference call for the Q1 of 2023. Joining me on the call today is Renny Amaro, our Chief Executive Officer Alan Branch, Our President and Chad Magus, our Chief Financial Officer. During the call today, we will make forward looking statements related to future performance, And we will refer to certain financial measures and ratios that do not have any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP and may not be comparable to similar financial measures or ratios disclosed The forward looking statements reflect the current views of SECURE with respect to future events and are based on certain key And we will now begin Speaker 200:01:02the question and answer session. Please go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Our next Speaker 100:01:06question comes from the line of Robert And uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated due to numerous factors and risks. Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR As they identify risk factors applicable to secure factors which may cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements and identify as defined are non GAAP measures. Today, we will review our financial and operational results for the Q1 of 2023, followed by our outlook for the remainder of the year. I will now turn the call over to Rene for his opening remarks. Speaker 300:01:40Thank you, Alison, and good afternoon, everyone. The momentum that supported our business throughout 2022 carried on Through the Q1 of 2023, resulting in higher volumes at our waste processing facilities and increased demand for all Business units due to strong industry fundamentals. As a result, we recorded adjusted EBITDA of $151,000,000 a 20% increase Over the Q1 of last year, we continued to maintain our strong adjusted EBITDA margin of 36% The positive impact from cost saving synergies related to the Tervita merger and higher revenue leading to improved fixed cost absorption More than offset the impact of inflation. In the Q4 of 2022, we presented our updated Capital allocation priorities, which reflect the increased breadth and size of the corporation our commitment to maintaining a strong balance sheet Unlocking additional shareholder value through increasing returns to shareholders and growing our business through our capital investment program. In the Q1 of 2023, we were pleased to deliver on these priorities with the return of $100,000,000 of capital to shareholders Through our $0.10 quarterly dividend and share repurchases under our normal course issuer bid. Speaker 300:03:02Since the inception Of the NCIB, we have repurchased 4.5% of our outstanding common shares. We announced today an increase to our capital growth plan for 2023 to approximately $100,000,000 up from previous guidance of $50,000,000 As we entered into a new 12 year take or pay agreement with a senior NP producer for water disposal in the Montney region of Alberta, We are excited to work in partnership with our customer to commission new infrastructure associated with this contract this year, Providing Secure with long term take or pay volumes and providing our customers with cost effective, reliable solutions for growing volumes. Alan will speak more on this development along with the construction progress of our crude oil gathering pipeline and terminalling infrastructure in the Clearwater region during the operational update. In our Q1 financial reporting, we revised our segment reporting to reflect changes following the completion of the Terbida post merger integration and providing stakeholders with improved visibility and transparency for valuing the business. Operating segments with similar operating characteristics and economic prospects have been aggregated to form 3 segments: The Environmental Waste Management Infrastructure segment is comprised of waste processing, recovery, recycling Disposal operations offered through our network of waste processing facilities, water pipelines, industrial landfills, Waste Transfer and Metal Recycling Facilities. Speaker 300:04:40The Energy Infrastructure segment is comprised of crude oil gathering, optimization, terminalling And storage solutions offered through our network of crude oil gathering pipelines, terminals and storage facilities. And The Oilfield Services segment is comprised of drilling fluids, equipment rentals and on-site project management. The new reporting structure provides a more direct connection between the corporation's operations, the services we provide to customers, the ongoing strategic direction of Secure, Recast financial information for 2021 2022 by quarter has been included in the MD and A to reflect these new segments. We are very excited to share our 4th annual comprehensive report on sustainability with you next week. Our ESG priorities 2022, we're focused on emission reduction, water conservation and building an inclusive and welcoming culture. Speaker 300:05:32We are proud of the progress we've made in these three areas, highlighted by an 8% reduction in scope 1 and 2 emission intensity, an 8% reduction in freshwater consumption And the introduction of company wide diversity, equity and inclusion training. The sustainability report provides an update on these and other ESG achievements It sets out new goals and initiatives we are undertaking to further improve our ESG performance. I'd like to thank our remarkable employees who lead our ESG journey, I've enabled the transformation of elements of our ESG strategy from plans to realities in our business. In March, we were pleased to appoint Wendy Hanrahan to the Board of Directors. Wendy is a former TC Energy Executive VP And brings to our Board a deep knowledge of the North American Energy Infrastructure Sector and expertise in strategy, information technology, finance, Human Resources and Other Corporate Services. Speaker 300:06:31Wendy will be a key addition to Secure as it enters in its next phase of growth and development As a leader in environmental and related energy infrastructure, we were disappointed with the decision received from the competition tribunal on March 3 with respect to the Commissioner of Competition's challenge of Secure's merger with Servita. While the tribunal agreed with Secure that not all of the 41 facilities the commissioner was seeking to have Secure disposed of should be sold, It issued an order requiring Secure to divest 29 of the 103 facilities acquired in connection with the merger. We have filed a notice of appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal And believe we have strong grounds in doing so. The next step in the appeal process is the filing of our factum expected to occur next week, which will contain our detailed argument. The appeal hearing has been tentatively scheduled for the week of June 19, and we believe a decision could be received by the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:07:27While the appeal of the competition tribunal decision is not anticipated for some time, the partial stay received with respect to divestiture order allows us to operate status quo. If the tribunal decision is final after any and all appeals are exhausted, we will be prepared to conduct process to maximize sale proceeds from acquired divestitures, which we can then use to strengthen the business through the repayment of debt, Speaker 400:08:01Thanks, Rene, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. During the quarter, we generated revenue of $416,000,000 an increase of 16% from Q1 2022 resulting from higher volumes at our waste processing facilities, pricing increases established last year to keep pace with inflation And increased demand for services due to robust industry fundamentals. We recorded net income of $55,000,000 or $0.18 per share, An increase of 50% on a per share basis from the Q1 of 2022. In addition to the factors impacting revenue, The Q1 of 2023 saw the full run rate of our $75,000,000 target synergies realized in relation to the Tervita merger. Our adjusted EBITDA margin remained very strong at 36%. Speaker 400:08:51Inflation continues to have some impact on our costs, But we have been mostly able to offset this through operational efficiencies and managing cost increases. We generated impressive discretionary Free cash flow of $122,000,000 in the quarter, which we allocated to growth and shareholder returns. Our total debt to EBITDA ratio remains at 1 With the recurring nature of our cash flows, we're very comfortable with our principal debt balance of $971,000,000 at March 31. We are continuing to target a principal debt balance of between $850,000,000 $950,000,000 to exit 2023. Our capital structure currently consists no near term maturities with the first fixed note maturing in 2025. Speaker 400:09:36We retain a considerable liquidity position with $363,000,000 of availability on our credit facilities also maturing in 2025. In January, we paid our 1st increased quarterly dividend of $0.10 per common share, resulting in a dividend payout ratio on a trailing 12 month basis of 34%. At our closing share price yesterday, annual dividend provides an attractive yield of 6.1% on our common shares. We were also very active on our normal course issuer bid during the quarter. Over the 3 month period, we repurchased and cancelled 9,600,000 Common shares at a weighted average price per share of $7.24 for a total of $69,000,000 Subsequent to quarter end, we have repurchased an additional 4,000,000 common shares, representing a total of 4.4% of outstanding common shares repurchased So far this year, our healthy balance sheet along with our significant reliable cash flow have provided the platform that allowed us executing on our commitment to deliver increased shareholder returns, both through our increased dividend and share repurchases, while also maintaining a strong financial position. Speaker 400:10:47I'll now pass the call over Speaker 200:10:49to Alan to provide our operational highlights. Thanks, Chad. Good afternoon, everyone. Strong industry fundamentals continue to drive increased volumes across our infrastructure network. With our Environmental Waste Management Infrastructure segment, waste volumes received and processed increased by 3% over Q1 of 2022 to over 67,000 barrels per day to increase overall production levels. Speaker 200:11:15We recovered 383,000 barrels of oil from waste Through this processing, avoiding 7,674 tons of CO2 emissions as a result. Our waste processing facilities also process and dispose on an average nearly 142,000 barrels of produced water each day, An increase of 9% over the prior year quarter consistent with expectations of same store sale, produced water volumes trend higher over time. During the quarter, Secure safely contained 1,200,000 tons of contaminated soil on behalf of our customers across 17 industrial landfills. We expect to see increased remediation work during the year as the liability management programs in British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan Seek to speed up the rate at which inactive wells and facilities are abandoned and reclaimed. These programs are expected to result incremental volumes at our industrial landfills and waste facilities, our metal recycling facilities and higher demand for environmental remediation. Speaker 200:12:21At our metal recycling facilities, ferrous volumes were up 7% as demand increased for scrap steel at our mills at mills. We made process improvements at several of our scrap yards to optimize workflow, successfully reducing the amount of handling required And improving inventory turnover. New equipment, including the purchase of new railcars in the second quarter will increase our handling capacity Our Energy Infrastructure segment also had a strong quarter operationally. Our oil terminalling and pipeline volumes averaged 93,000 barrels a day, an increase of 8% from the Q1 of 2022, Commodity pricing along with changing oil quality differentials increased opportunities for blend and price optimization at our 22 crude oil terminals. Our Oilfield Services segment had a robust quarter operationally with higher demand for products and services associated with higher drilling and completion activity. Speaker 200:13:30Turning now to our capital program. We continue to focus our capital our growth capital on opportunities that provide reliable volumes and recurring cash flows, Generally through customer partnerships with long term contracts and take or pay or minimum volume commitments. As Renny mentioned, we have increased our growth capital for 2023 from $50,000,000 to approximately $100,000,000 following the completion of a new commercial agreement. In March, we entered into a 12 year commercial agreement with a senior E and P producer customer for water disposal in the Montney region of Alberta. This agreement provides Seqeur with take or pay commitments on nearly 90% of the facility's capacity and the customer with guaranteed access to cost Efficient water disposal. Speaker 200:14:16The new water gallery pipeline disposal well and facility enhancements are expected to be complete in the Q4 of 2023. We also continue to progress construction on the previously announced Clearwater oil pipeline and terminalling infrastructure backstocked by 3 commercial agreements. The significant growth in the Clearwater area, which has seen oil production grow from 0 to over 100,000 barrels a day over the last 5 years, As required additional infrastructure to support higher production volumes, in total, we incurred $36,000,000 of growth capital in the Q1 of 2023 Related primarily to these two projects. We also incurred $10,000,000 of sustaining capital related to landfill cell expansions, Well facility maintenance, asset integrity programs and asset purchases for our metal recycling operations. We continue to expect to incur approximately $60,000,000 of sustaining capital and $25,000,000 of capital related to landfill expansions in 2023. Speaker 200:15:18The additional landfill expansions are in anticipation of increased abandonment, spend obligations driven from government regulations. We also expect to incur approximately $20,000,000 to settle asset retirement obligations. Finally, we divested non core assets for Total proceeds of $22,000,000 as we continue to optimize our portfolio. The dispositions included our Integrated Fluid Solutions business line Previously reported within our Oilfield Services segment and our underutilized rail assets. I will now turn it back to Renny to address our outlook for the remainder of 2023. Speaker 300:15:56Thanks, Alan. As we look ahead, Secure is very well positioned to deliver on our strategic priorities of providing best in class customer service And growing the volumes we handle across the business. For the remainder of 2023, the corporation expects to see continued momentum Across all business lines as stronger energy, environmental and industrial markets continue to drive higher volumes, Activity levels and overall demand for Secure's infrastructure. Our extensive network of environmental and energy infrastructure in place Today can handle higher processing, recovery and disposal volumes without significant incremental investment. The addition of new customer backed Infrastructure results and incremental reoccurring cash flows were secured through take or pay obligations and production area dedications That also provide a guaranteed rate of return on our investments. Speaker 300:16:52The energy sector continues to evaluate the supply and demand outlook as it faces macroeconomic factors such inflationary pressures, the possibility of a near term recession, overall demand globally and the geopolitical risk premium. However, The current price environment continues to drive robust producer cash flows and increased energy industry activity in our operating regions. New government regulations will increase environmental cleanups and reclamation in all our business units. Given this backdrop, We remain confident in executing our previously announced capital allocation priority to return more capital to shareholders in the $100,000,000 Growth Capital Program. We are excited to see progress with the digital transformation of our business, which results in both great cost savings and improved customer experience. Speaker 300:17:44To support the safe transportation, handling and disposal of waste, Secure has invested in building a digital e ticketing platform for waste transportation Disposal documents in Alberta. Built along industry partners, this will help Alberta's energy industry comply with regulations, Keep people safe, help preserve the environment, optimize costs and reduce emissions. The platform has been launched internally and we are anticipating an external launch Later in 2023, we're also creating a tool which utilizes artificial intelligence to calculate facility wait times and provide customers With recommendations on Secura's disposal locations and future releases of the e ticketing solution, our customers will have access to these valuable tools to reduce idle time, distance driven and emissions. These digital initiatives will make working with Secure easier for our customers and support Responsible Waste Management activities, which will help our industry move forward together. With tomorrow's Annual General Meeting of Shareholders, 2 of the corporation's long standing directors, Kevin Nugent and Jay Thornton, will not be standing for reelection, making the end of their term on the Board of Directors. Speaker 300:18:55Mr. Nugent joined Secura's Board in 2007 and has been instrumental in establishing best in class Governance practices and providing sound counsel over the last 15 years. Mr. Thornton was appointed to secure his Board in connection with the Tervita merger on July 2, 2021 and provide strategic leadership through the merger and integration has continued to provide valuable Counsel to the Board and management. Prior to his appointment to Secure's Board, Mr. Speaker 300:19:24Thornton had been a Director of Trevita since 2016. Both individuals are accomplished business leaders who have brought an immeasurable wealth of industry experience and insight to Secure's Board. I I want to thank Kevin and Jay for their valuable contributions as directors and wish them both the best in their retirement. I also want to thank all Secure employees And lastly, a thank you to our customers and stakeholders for their continued support And partnership. That concludes our prepared remarks. Speaker 300:19:58We would now be happy to take your questions. Operator00:20:02Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. First question comes from Patrick Kenny at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:20:26Thank you. Hey, guys. Speaker 600:20:27Just On the new disclosure, appreciate the operational data, but just wondering if you could help us Extract the direct commodity exposure as well within each of the new segments. So for example, 65% of EBITDA being Environmental Waste Management, how much of that is metal recycling Or within the 25 percent Energy Infrastructure segment, how much is crude oil marketing? Speaker 300:20:57Yes. So I mean, what we're going to be able to do, I think, on a go forward basis is try to give you different metrics and volumes. And I'm not sure we're going to be able to disclose how much we would get for a barrel of recovered oil versus Some of the other metrics, but what we will do is try to give you some meaningful metrics That we can share to our investors and just show the various trend lines as to What's happening in terms of the volumes and what's Repeatable volumes that we see coming in day to day. So we'll give you at least a timeline on the volume aspect of it. I'm not sure what else we're going to be able to disclose because there's so many factors that go into some Speaker 200:22:03I think here, Patrick, We wanted to align our operations really to the activities that we're performing. And I think if you look at that environmental Infrastructure segment, it's 70% of our operations. And what do we do there? We're processing waste. We're recovering A barrel of oil or we're recycling metals or we're disposing of contaminated landfill, soil. Speaker 200:22:30And so we wanted to make sure that these business operations were all contained in one operating segment. And specifically, That same thought process was around our energy infrastructure and in terms of what do we have in terms of volume on an oil pipeline, How much do we put through in our terminals to our storage and really what we do from an optimization standpoint with all the volumes that we receive in our facilities. But And then we broke out our oilfield Services segment, so we can clearly see what is truly impacted by a highly Cyclical nature of the business is drilling activity. And really what we're trying to achieve here is taking a look at Secure, valuing it As the sum apart, so taking a look at our energy sector and comparing it to the proper peer group, Taking a look at environmental waste management and comparing that to the proper peer group and same with Oilfield Services, because clearly, I think the market needs to understand that fundamental, because the stock, As we feel right now is undervalued because there's just they don't seem to understand how these businesses perform because You've got that reoccurring stability in the cash flows in these segments, and this was our way of showcasing that in a more structured way. Speaker 600:23:57Yes, I appreciate that color. And I guess your comment around the stock being undervalued is a good segue into my next question here. Just Trading at a free cash flow yield well above 20% and hence your buyback activity appears to be a no brainer. But just Perhaps you could comment on the returns you expect to generate from this incremental $50,000,000 of growth capital that was just announced and Maybe your thoughts on how you think about balancing returns from growth projects versus Simply bolting on higher quality cash flows under long term take or pay, even if it means having to accept a slightly lower return? Speaker 200:24:42Yes, good question. I think let's maybe talk about capital allocation first. I mean, we announced We were going to come out with a dividend. It's currently a 6% yield, which we feel is sustainable for the Forseeable future, since inception, we've purchased 4.5% of our stock back. We think that's a great investment. Speaker 200:25:05As I said, we think the stock is undervalued. We believe our current debt position is at the right in the right level. And you balance that out with growth capital opportunities. And as I've said over the past few months, we work on projects that are stopped with take or pay long term contracts. And the contracts take time to get signed and developed. Speaker 200:25:32And Once you do have them signed, we said we would announce that we've got a signed contract at that. And so the first of that was the Nipissippi Clearwater Pipeline, which It's an area that needs more infrastructure, and that's specific to that energy infrastructure segment. And When we look at these opportunities that are fully backstocked for 10 plus years, that's that 4.5 times Payback on that asset for a 10 year period and currently just as an update on Clearwater, that's on budget, That's on time. That will come on stream here in Q3. And then we announced the Montney water pipeline disposal. Speaker 200:26:18That's In a similar kind of payback metrics, that's a 12 year 90% take or pay agreement with an existing customer that We're partners with and they're senior high quality E and P and these opportunities, it just improves the asset values That we have in our network. So I would say to your question, when you think about capital allocation, we're balancing it. Obviously, we've got a lot of free cash flow in this business and we've been aggressive on the buyback. But these contracts, we've been working on for a long period of time And they're good quality asset return projects that we got to go out and execute. So that Montney project, that will come online and kind of back Like, call it Q4 of this year. Speaker 600:27:08Okay. That's great. 4.5 year payback does sound quite attractive. So I guess from a BD perspective, it sounds like a rosy outlook for both the Montney and Clearwater. Maybe you could just provide a little bit more color on What your unsecured backlog might look like in terms of customer demand for More water disposal services or incremental gathering pipeline connectivity? Speaker 200:27:36Yes. I would say the majority of our hopper is tying into existing infrastructure, call it brownfield expansion. We have a few of those opportunities we're working on right now. Again, that would be tied to long term contracts. And we've always talked about our capital program being that $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 annually. Speaker 200:28:02And so we kind of hit that mark here for 2023 timing of contract signed, maybe you get a little bit more of these projects developing late in Here for more of a 2024 capital program. So there are some in the hopper, that would kind of be very consistent with what you're seeing in 2023. Speaker 600:28:24Okay, perfect. I'll leave it there guys. Speaker 200:28:27Thank you. Thanks, Doctor. Operator00:28:30Thank you. The next question comes from Cole Perera at Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:28:36Good morning, all. Just a follow-up on Pat's question on the segments. So if you had a scenario where you had a crude oil waste processing facility, so obviously the processing revenue and the Revenue and the skim barrels will be reported in EWS, but would just to clarify any blending or marketing would Be reported in infrastructure, is that accurate? Speaker 300:29:01Yes. Just think of it in terms of There's a lot of clean barrels that come into pure terminals and some of those combined facilities. So Really, everything we've tried to put in that Energy Infrastructure division is not really getting processed. It's basically Clean oil that needs to get to market and optimized and sometimes it gets stored. So that's all in that Energy Infrastructure segment. Speaker 500:29:34Okay, perfect. And then thinking about the infrastructure segment as well. So I mean if we think about Your pipelines and storage units, I mean, that's kind of, call it, dollars 150,000,000 of CapEx Total spend and the segment kind of did $150,000,000 of EBITDA. So I mean, safe to say then the majority of that segment would be kind of that Would be kind of that marketing, blending, etcetera type of EBITDA. Is that fair? Speaker 300:30:01You kind of lost me on the $150,000,000 of like, are you saying net book value or like What do you assets or what do you Speaker 500:30:10Sorry, that was just talking about the total spend for your 2 pipelines And call it the Kerrobert storage from a few years ago. Speaker 300:30:22Yes. I think we've segmented The assets out in the MD and A, so maybe go back to the MD and A to just try to Speaker 400:30:30get a little better handle On that, Jeff? Yes. It's close in the financial statements in the segmented info note. In addition to that, there is the terminaling infrastructure. That would be in addition to that 150,000,000 Speaker 500:30:49Okay. Got it. And just quickly on the services side, EBITDA It was down a little bit sequentially. Meanwhile, activity across the WCSV was up. I mean, obviously, you sold the business. Speaker 500:31:03So What were some of the drivers there? Speaker 300:31:06Think of that more as you get some of that lumpy projects in there. So it's In that division, you've kind of got your, we'll call it, some of it would be more cyclical, I. E, drilling fluid, solids control, but you also have the lumpy projects. So I Don't try to do a correlation here to drilling rigs. It's more of a case of We've got revenue in there that's maybe non reoccurring and projects is a good example how it can be lumpy. Speaker 500:31:39Okay, got it. Thanks. That's all for me. I'll turn it back. Speaker 300:31:44Thanks, Operator00:31:53Next question comes from John Gibson at BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:32:00Good morning, all. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess I'll follow on Cole's question, asking about the other segments, Energy Infrastructure and EWM saw A decent jump in adjusted EBITDA from Q4. Just wondering, is there some seasonality build Speaker 500:32:13in here? Speaker 700:32:13Or what exactly drove those increases? Speaker 300:32:18This business, really John is getting I mean, you're always going to have your Q2 road bands and that type of thing. But The great thing about, A, our customers and B, the infrastructure that we have in those two divisions is It's getting less cyclical or not cyclical, seasonal. And so think of Q4 going into Q1, things in terms of 1st couple of weeks of January, you have some Cold temperatures, you can have a quick breakup. But when you look at when you think about the overall EBITDA For everything combined the last three quarters, it's been pretty it's been in that $150,000,000 EBITDA range. So I think What's driving that is more your same store sales. Speaker 300:33:11So that's what Alan alluded to in the call there that You look at some of our waste processing that produced water volumes, our terminal volumes, they're all up Definitely year over year and even up from Q4. Speaker 700:33:27Got it. Thanks. Are all of the proposed tribunal assets in the EWM segment or some of them sprinkled in any of the others? Speaker 300:33:39Yes. Yes, they're all EWM. Yes. Speaker 700:33:41Yes. And then Sorry, go ahead. Speaker 400:33:50Yes, there'd be a few terminals in the Energy Infrastructure segment as well. Speaker 700:33:55Okay. Got it. And then last for me, I'm not sure how much you can really talk about it publicly, but wondering if you could give a sense of the level of interest you've had from potential buyers of the I understand priority number 1 is to win the appeal, but penny you don't. Just wondering if you could share any interest you've had for them so far. Speaker 300:34:12Well, go ahead, Al. Speaker 200:34:13Yes. I mean, we've definitely had interest. I mean, I think, from a market perspective, They understand these are great quality assets and they have interest, but our message to them is, look, We put out our notice of appeal in March and we think there's strong grounds From laws of error and laws of fat, errors of fat that we can appeal on and we're now working through kind of That detailed summary, I basically consider the notice of appeal as an outline and now we put in all the substance And to warn that the competition bureau will see, they'll have a chance to respond. And during this entire process, We have a stake. So we're not obligated to advance any sort of sale process whatsoever. Speaker 200:35:07It's business as usual. You keep running the assets. We hope to have a trial here mid June. And then as we said, we anticipate, you don't really know, but a In Q4, so while there has been interest for sure in these assets, a lot of interest, it's just we've said, hey, let us get through the appeal Process first, as we think we've got a strong grounds for fuel. Speaker 700:35:38Got it. Really appreciate the color. I'll turn Speaker 200:35:40it back. Thanks. Thank Operator00:35:44you. There are no further questions at this time. You may proceed. Speaker 300:35:51All right. Thanks everybody for being on the conference call today. A taped broadcast of The call will be available on Securus' website. I invite you all to attend or at least call in to our Securus Annual General Meeting of Shareholders tomorrow at 11 am Mountain Time to be held via conference call. You can find the login details on our website. Speaker 300:36:15We look forward to providing you with updates on Secure's performance at the end of July after the completion of our Q2. Thanks again. Bye now. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Secure Energy Q1 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Thursday, April 27, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alison Prokub. Operator00:00:23Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you. Welcome to Secure's conference call for the Q1 of 2023. Joining me on the call today is Renny Amaro, our Chief Executive Officer Alan Branch, Our President and Chad Magus, our Chief Financial Officer. During the call today, we will make forward looking statements related to future performance, And we will refer to certain financial measures and ratios that do not have any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP and may not be comparable to similar financial measures or ratios disclosed The forward looking statements reflect the current views of SECURE with respect to future events and are based on certain key And we will now begin Speaker 200:01:02the question and answer session. Please go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Our next Speaker 100:01:06question comes from the line of Robert And uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated due to numerous factors and risks. Please refer to our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR As they identify risk factors applicable to secure factors which may cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements and identify as defined are non GAAP measures. Today, we will review our financial and operational results for the Q1 of 2023, followed by our outlook for the remainder of the year. I will now turn the call over to Rene for his opening remarks. Speaker 300:01:40Thank you, Alison, and good afternoon, everyone. The momentum that supported our business throughout 2022 carried on Through the Q1 of 2023, resulting in higher volumes at our waste processing facilities and increased demand for all Business units due to strong industry fundamentals. As a result, we recorded adjusted EBITDA of $151,000,000 a 20% increase Over the Q1 of last year, we continued to maintain our strong adjusted EBITDA margin of 36% The positive impact from cost saving synergies related to the Tervita merger and higher revenue leading to improved fixed cost absorption More than offset the impact of inflation. In the Q4 of 2022, we presented our updated Capital allocation priorities, which reflect the increased breadth and size of the corporation our commitment to maintaining a strong balance sheet Unlocking additional shareholder value through increasing returns to shareholders and growing our business through our capital investment program. In the Q1 of 2023, we were pleased to deliver on these priorities with the return of $100,000,000 of capital to shareholders Through our $0.10 quarterly dividend and share repurchases under our normal course issuer bid. Speaker 300:03:02Since the inception Of the NCIB, we have repurchased 4.5% of our outstanding common shares. We announced today an increase to our capital growth plan for 2023 to approximately $100,000,000 up from previous guidance of $50,000,000 As we entered into a new 12 year take or pay agreement with a senior NP producer for water disposal in the Montney region of Alberta, We are excited to work in partnership with our customer to commission new infrastructure associated with this contract this year, Providing Secure with long term take or pay volumes and providing our customers with cost effective, reliable solutions for growing volumes. Alan will speak more on this development along with the construction progress of our crude oil gathering pipeline and terminalling infrastructure in the Clearwater region during the operational update. In our Q1 financial reporting, we revised our segment reporting to reflect changes following the completion of the Terbida post merger integration and providing stakeholders with improved visibility and transparency for valuing the business. Operating segments with similar operating characteristics and economic prospects have been aggregated to form 3 segments: The Environmental Waste Management Infrastructure segment is comprised of waste processing, recovery, recycling Disposal operations offered through our network of waste processing facilities, water pipelines, industrial landfills, Waste Transfer and Metal Recycling Facilities. Speaker 300:04:40The Energy Infrastructure segment is comprised of crude oil gathering, optimization, terminalling And storage solutions offered through our network of crude oil gathering pipelines, terminals and storage facilities. And The Oilfield Services segment is comprised of drilling fluids, equipment rentals and on-site project management. The new reporting structure provides a more direct connection between the corporation's operations, the services we provide to customers, the ongoing strategic direction of Secure, Recast financial information for 2021 2022 by quarter has been included in the MD and A to reflect these new segments. We are very excited to share our 4th annual comprehensive report on sustainability with you next week. Our ESG priorities 2022, we're focused on emission reduction, water conservation and building an inclusive and welcoming culture. Speaker 300:05:32We are proud of the progress we've made in these three areas, highlighted by an 8% reduction in scope 1 and 2 emission intensity, an 8% reduction in freshwater consumption And the introduction of company wide diversity, equity and inclusion training. The sustainability report provides an update on these and other ESG achievements It sets out new goals and initiatives we are undertaking to further improve our ESG performance. I'd like to thank our remarkable employees who lead our ESG journey, I've enabled the transformation of elements of our ESG strategy from plans to realities in our business. In March, we were pleased to appoint Wendy Hanrahan to the Board of Directors. Wendy is a former TC Energy Executive VP And brings to our Board a deep knowledge of the North American Energy Infrastructure Sector and expertise in strategy, information technology, finance, Human Resources and Other Corporate Services. Speaker 300:06:31Wendy will be a key addition to Secure as it enters in its next phase of growth and development As a leader in environmental and related energy infrastructure, we were disappointed with the decision received from the competition tribunal on March 3 with respect to the Commissioner of Competition's challenge of Secure's merger with Servita. While the tribunal agreed with Secure that not all of the 41 facilities the commissioner was seeking to have Secure disposed of should be sold, It issued an order requiring Secure to divest 29 of the 103 facilities acquired in connection with the merger. We have filed a notice of appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal And believe we have strong grounds in doing so. The next step in the appeal process is the filing of our factum expected to occur next week, which will contain our detailed argument. The appeal hearing has been tentatively scheduled for the week of June 19, and we believe a decision could be received by the Q4 of 2023. Speaker 300:07:27While the appeal of the competition tribunal decision is not anticipated for some time, the partial stay received with respect to divestiture order allows us to operate status quo. If the tribunal decision is final after any and all appeals are exhausted, we will be prepared to conduct process to maximize sale proceeds from acquired divestitures, which we can then use to strengthen the business through the repayment of debt, Speaker 400:08:01Thanks, Rene, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. During the quarter, we generated revenue of $416,000,000 an increase of 16% from Q1 2022 resulting from higher volumes at our waste processing facilities, pricing increases established last year to keep pace with inflation And increased demand for services due to robust industry fundamentals. We recorded net income of $55,000,000 or $0.18 per share, An increase of 50% on a per share basis from the Q1 of 2022. In addition to the factors impacting revenue, The Q1 of 2023 saw the full run rate of our $75,000,000 target synergies realized in relation to the Tervita merger. Our adjusted EBITDA margin remained very strong at 36%. Speaker 400:08:51Inflation continues to have some impact on our costs, But we have been mostly able to offset this through operational efficiencies and managing cost increases. We generated impressive discretionary Free cash flow of $122,000,000 in the quarter, which we allocated to growth and shareholder returns. Our total debt to EBITDA ratio remains at 1 With the recurring nature of our cash flows, we're very comfortable with our principal debt balance of $971,000,000 at March 31. We are continuing to target a principal debt balance of between $850,000,000 $950,000,000 to exit 2023. Our capital structure currently consists no near term maturities with the first fixed note maturing in 2025. Speaker 400:09:36We retain a considerable liquidity position with $363,000,000 of availability on our credit facilities also maturing in 2025. In January, we paid our 1st increased quarterly dividend of $0.10 per common share, resulting in a dividend payout ratio on a trailing 12 month basis of 34%. At our closing share price yesterday, annual dividend provides an attractive yield of 6.1% on our common shares. We were also very active on our normal course issuer bid during the quarter. Over the 3 month period, we repurchased and cancelled 9,600,000 Common shares at a weighted average price per share of $7.24 for a total of $69,000,000 Subsequent to quarter end, we have repurchased an additional 4,000,000 common shares, representing a total of 4.4% of outstanding common shares repurchased So far this year, our healthy balance sheet along with our significant reliable cash flow have provided the platform that allowed us executing on our commitment to deliver increased shareholder returns, both through our increased dividend and share repurchases, while also maintaining a strong financial position. Speaker 400:10:47I'll now pass the call over Speaker 200:10:49to Alan to provide our operational highlights. Thanks, Chad. Good afternoon, everyone. Strong industry fundamentals continue to drive increased volumes across our infrastructure network. With our Environmental Waste Management Infrastructure segment, waste volumes received and processed increased by 3% over Q1 of 2022 to over 67,000 barrels per day to increase overall production levels. Speaker 200:11:15We recovered 383,000 barrels of oil from waste Through this processing, avoiding 7,674 tons of CO2 emissions as a result. Our waste processing facilities also process and dispose on an average nearly 142,000 barrels of produced water each day, An increase of 9% over the prior year quarter consistent with expectations of same store sale, produced water volumes trend higher over time. During the quarter, Secure safely contained 1,200,000 tons of contaminated soil on behalf of our customers across 17 industrial landfills. We expect to see increased remediation work during the year as the liability management programs in British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan Seek to speed up the rate at which inactive wells and facilities are abandoned and reclaimed. These programs are expected to result incremental volumes at our industrial landfills and waste facilities, our metal recycling facilities and higher demand for environmental remediation. Speaker 200:12:21At our metal recycling facilities, ferrous volumes were up 7% as demand increased for scrap steel at our mills at mills. We made process improvements at several of our scrap yards to optimize workflow, successfully reducing the amount of handling required And improving inventory turnover. New equipment, including the purchase of new railcars in the second quarter will increase our handling capacity Our Energy Infrastructure segment also had a strong quarter operationally. Our oil terminalling and pipeline volumes averaged 93,000 barrels a day, an increase of 8% from the Q1 of 2022, Commodity pricing along with changing oil quality differentials increased opportunities for blend and price optimization at our 22 crude oil terminals. Our Oilfield Services segment had a robust quarter operationally with higher demand for products and services associated with higher drilling and completion activity. Speaker 200:13:30Turning now to our capital program. We continue to focus our capital our growth capital on opportunities that provide reliable volumes and recurring cash flows, Generally through customer partnerships with long term contracts and take or pay or minimum volume commitments. As Renny mentioned, we have increased our growth capital for 2023 from $50,000,000 to approximately $100,000,000 following the completion of a new commercial agreement. In March, we entered into a 12 year commercial agreement with a senior E and P producer customer for water disposal in the Montney region of Alberta. This agreement provides Seqeur with take or pay commitments on nearly 90% of the facility's capacity and the customer with guaranteed access to cost Efficient water disposal. Speaker 200:14:16The new water gallery pipeline disposal well and facility enhancements are expected to be complete in the Q4 of 2023. We also continue to progress construction on the previously announced Clearwater oil pipeline and terminalling infrastructure backstocked by 3 commercial agreements. The significant growth in the Clearwater area, which has seen oil production grow from 0 to over 100,000 barrels a day over the last 5 years, As required additional infrastructure to support higher production volumes, in total, we incurred $36,000,000 of growth capital in the Q1 of 2023 Related primarily to these two projects. We also incurred $10,000,000 of sustaining capital related to landfill cell expansions, Well facility maintenance, asset integrity programs and asset purchases for our metal recycling operations. We continue to expect to incur approximately $60,000,000 of sustaining capital and $25,000,000 of capital related to landfill expansions in 2023. Speaker 200:15:18The additional landfill expansions are in anticipation of increased abandonment, spend obligations driven from government regulations. We also expect to incur approximately $20,000,000 to settle asset retirement obligations. Finally, we divested non core assets for Total proceeds of $22,000,000 as we continue to optimize our portfolio. The dispositions included our Integrated Fluid Solutions business line Previously reported within our Oilfield Services segment and our underutilized rail assets. I will now turn it back to Renny to address our outlook for the remainder of 2023. Speaker 300:15:56Thanks, Alan. As we look ahead, Secure is very well positioned to deliver on our strategic priorities of providing best in class customer service And growing the volumes we handle across the business. For the remainder of 2023, the corporation expects to see continued momentum Across all business lines as stronger energy, environmental and industrial markets continue to drive higher volumes, Activity levels and overall demand for Secure's infrastructure. Our extensive network of environmental and energy infrastructure in place Today can handle higher processing, recovery and disposal volumes without significant incremental investment. The addition of new customer backed Infrastructure results and incremental reoccurring cash flows were secured through take or pay obligations and production area dedications That also provide a guaranteed rate of return on our investments. Speaker 300:16:52The energy sector continues to evaluate the supply and demand outlook as it faces macroeconomic factors such inflationary pressures, the possibility of a near term recession, overall demand globally and the geopolitical risk premium. However, The current price environment continues to drive robust producer cash flows and increased energy industry activity in our operating regions. New government regulations will increase environmental cleanups and reclamation in all our business units. Given this backdrop, We remain confident in executing our previously announced capital allocation priority to return more capital to shareholders in the $100,000,000 Growth Capital Program. We are excited to see progress with the digital transformation of our business, which results in both great cost savings and improved customer experience. Speaker 300:17:44To support the safe transportation, handling and disposal of waste, Secure has invested in building a digital e ticketing platform for waste transportation Disposal documents in Alberta. Built along industry partners, this will help Alberta's energy industry comply with regulations, Keep people safe, help preserve the environment, optimize costs and reduce emissions. The platform has been launched internally and we are anticipating an external launch Later in 2023, we're also creating a tool which utilizes artificial intelligence to calculate facility wait times and provide customers With recommendations on Secura's disposal locations and future releases of the e ticketing solution, our customers will have access to these valuable tools to reduce idle time, distance driven and emissions. These digital initiatives will make working with Secure easier for our customers and support Responsible Waste Management activities, which will help our industry move forward together. With tomorrow's Annual General Meeting of Shareholders, 2 of the corporation's long standing directors, Kevin Nugent and Jay Thornton, will not be standing for reelection, making the end of their term on the Board of Directors. Speaker 300:18:55Mr. Nugent joined Secura's Board in 2007 and has been instrumental in establishing best in class Governance practices and providing sound counsel over the last 15 years. Mr. Thornton was appointed to secure his Board in connection with the Tervita merger on July 2, 2021 and provide strategic leadership through the merger and integration has continued to provide valuable Counsel to the Board and management. Prior to his appointment to Secure's Board, Mr. Speaker 300:19:24Thornton had been a Director of Trevita since 2016. Both individuals are accomplished business leaders who have brought an immeasurable wealth of industry experience and insight to Secure's Board. I I want to thank Kevin and Jay for their valuable contributions as directors and wish them both the best in their retirement. I also want to thank all Secure employees And lastly, a thank you to our customers and stakeholders for their continued support And partnership. That concludes our prepared remarks. Speaker 300:19:58We would now be happy to take your questions. Operator00:20:02Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. First question comes from Patrick Kenny at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:20:26Thank you. Hey, guys. Speaker 600:20:27Just On the new disclosure, appreciate the operational data, but just wondering if you could help us Extract the direct commodity exposure as well within each of the new segments. So for example, 65% of EBITDA being Environmental Waste Management, how much of that is metal recycling Or within the 25 percent Energy Infrastructure segment, how much is crude oil marketing? Speaker 300:20:57Yes. So I mean, what we're going to be able to do, I think, on a go forward basis is try to give you different metrics and volumes. And I'm not sure we're going to be able to disclose how much we would get for a barrel of recovered oil versus Some of the other metrics, but what we will do is try to give you some meaningful metrics That we can share to our investors and just show the various trend lines as to What's happening in terms of the volumes and what's Repeatable volumes that we see coming in day to day. So we'll give you at least a timeline on the volume aspect of it. I'm not sure what else we're going to be able to disclose because there's so many factors that go into some Speaker 200:22:03I think here, Patrick, We wanted to align our operations really to the activities that we're performing. And I think if you look at that environmental Infrastructure segment, it's 70% of our operations. And what do we do there? We're processing waste. We're recovering A barrel of oil or we're recycling metals or we're disposing of contaminated landfill, soil. Speaker 200:22:30And so we wanted to make sure that these business operations were all contained in one operating segment. And specifically, That same thought process was around our energy infrastructure and in terms of what do we have in terms of volume on an oil pipeline, How much do we put through in our terminals to our storage and really what we do from an optimization standpoint with all the volumes that we receive in our facilities. But And then we broke out our oilfield Services segment, so we can clearly see what is truly impacted by a highly Cyclical nature of the business is drilling activity. And really what we're trying to achieve here is taking a look at Secure, valuing it As the sum apart, so taking a look at our energy sector and comparing it to the proper peer group, Taking a look at environmental waste management and comparing that to the proper peer group and same with Oilfield Services, because clearly, I think the market needs to understand that fundamental, because the stock, As we feel right now is undervalued because there's just they don't seem to understand how these businesses perform because You've got that reoccurring stability in the cash flows in these segments, and this was our way of showcasing that in a more structured way. Speaker 600:23:57Yes, I appreciate that color. And I guess your comment around the stock being undervalued is a good segue into my next question here. Just Trading at a free cash flow yield well above 20% and hence your buyback activity appears to be a no brainer. But just Perhaps you could comment on the returns you expect to generate from this incremental $50,000,000 of growth capital that was just announced and Maybe your thoughts on how you think about balancing returns from growth projects versus Simply bolting on higher quality cash flows under long term take or pay, even if it means having to accept a slightly lower return? Speaker 200:24:42Yes, good question. I think let's maybe talk about capital allocation first. I mean, we announced We were going to come out with a dividend. It's currently a 6% yield, which we feel is sustainable for the Forseeable future, since inception, we've purchased 4.5% of our stock back. We think that's a great investment. Speaker 200:25:05As I said, we think the stock is undervalued. We believe our current debt position is at the right in the right level. And you balance that out with growth capital opportunities. And as I've said over the past few months, we work on projects that are stopped with take or pay long term contracts. And the contracts take time to get signed and developed. Speaker 200:25:32And Once you do have them signed, we said we would announce that we've got a signed contract at that. And so the first of that was the Nipissippi Clearwater Pipeline, which It's an area that needs more infrastructure, and that's specific to that energy infrastructure segment. And When we look at these opportunities that are fully backstocked for 10 plus years, that's that 4.5 times Payback on that asset for a 10 year period and currently just as an update on Clearwater, that's on budget, That's on time. That will come on stream here in Q3. And then we announced the Montney water pipeline disposal. Speaker 200:26:18That's In a similar kind of payback metrics, that's a 12 year 90% take or pay agreement with an existing customer that We're partners with and they're senior high quality E and P and these opportunities, it just improves the asset values That we have in our network. So I would say to your question, when you think about capital allocation, we're balancing it. Obviously, we've got a lot of free cash flow in this business and we've been aggressive on the buyback. But these contracts, we've been working on for a long period of time And they're good quality asset return projects that we got to go out and execute. So that Montney project, that will come online and kind of back Like, call it Q4 of this year. Speaker 600:27:08Okay. That's great. 4.5 year payback does sound quite attractive. So I guess from a BD perspective, it sounds like a rosy outlook for both the Montney and Clearwater. Maybe you could just provide a little bit more color on What your unsecured backlog might look like in terms of customer demand for More water disposal services or incremental gathering pipeline connectivity? Speaker 200:27:36Yes. I would say the majority of our hopper is tying into existing infrastructure, call it brownfield expansion. We have a few of those opportunities we're working on right now. Again, that would be tied to long term contracts. And we've always talked about our capital program being that $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 annually. Speaker 200:28:02And so we kind of hit that mark here for 2023 timing of contract signed, maybe you get a little bit more of these projects developing late in Here for more of a 2024 capital program. So there are some in the hopper, that would kind of be very consistent with what you're seeing in 2023. Speaker 600:28:24Okay, perfect. I'll leave it there guys. Speaker 200:28:27Thank you. Thanks, Doctor. Operator00:28:30Thank you. The next question comes from Cole Perera at Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:28:36Good morning, all. Just a follow-up on Pat's question on the segments. So if you had a scenario where you had a crude oil waste processing facility, so obviously the processing revenue and the Revenue and the skim barrels will be reported in EWS, but would just to clarify any blending or marketing would Be reported in infrastructure, is that accurate? Speaker 300:29:01Yes. Just think of it in terms of There's a lot of clean barrels that come into pure terminals and some of those combined facilities. So Really, everything we've tried to put in that Energy Infrastructure division is not really getting processed. It's basically Clean oil that needs to get to market and optimized and sometimes it gets stored. So that's all in that Energy Infrastructure segment. Speaker 500:29:34Okay, perfect. And then thinking about the infrastructure segment as well. So I mean if we think about Your pipelines and storage units, I mean, that's kind of, call it, dollars 150,000,000 of CapEx Total spend and the segment kind of did $150,000,000 of EBITDA. So I mean, safe to say then the majority of that segment would be kind of that Would be kind of that marketing, blending, etcetera type of EBITDA. Is that fair? Speaker 300:30:01You kind of lost me on the $150,000,000 of like, are you saying net book value or like What do you assets or what do you Speaker 500:30:10Sorry, that was just talking about the total spend for your 2 pipelines And call it the Kerrobert storage from a few years ago. Speaker 300:30:22Yes. I think we've segmented The assets out in the MD and A, so maybe go back to the MD and A to just try to Speaker 400:30:30get a little better handle On that, Jeff? Yes. It's close in the financial statements in the segmented info note. In addition to that, there is the terminaling infrastructure. That would be in addition to that 150,000,000 Speaker 500:30:49Okay. Got it. And just quickly on the services side, EBITDA It was down a little bit sequentially. Meanwhile, activity across the WCSV was up. I mean, obviously, you sold the business. Speaker 500:31:03So What were some of the drivers there? Speaker 300:31:06Think of that more as you get some of that lumpy projects in there. So it's In that division, you've kind of got your, we'll call it, some of it would be more cyclical, I. E, drilling fluid, solids control, but you also have the lumpy projects. So I Don't try to do a correlation here to drilling rigs. It's more of a case of We've got revenue in there that's maybe non reoccurring and projects is a good example how it can be lumpy. Speaker 500:31:39Okay, got it. Thanks. That's all for me. I'll turn it back. Speaker 300:31:44Thanks, Operator00:31:53Next question comes from John Gibson at BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:32:00Good morning, all. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess I'll follow on Cole's question, asking about the other segments, Energy Infrastructure and EWM saw A decent jump in adjusted EBITDA from Q4. Just wondering, is there some seasonality build Speaker 500:32:13in here? Speaker 700:32:13Or what exactly drove those increases? Speaker 300:32:18This business, really John is getting I mean, you're always going to have your Q2 road bands and that type of thing. But The great thing about, A, our customers and B, the infrastructure that we have in those two divisions is It's getting less cyclical or not cyclical, seasonal. And so think of Q4 going into Q1, things in terms of 1st couple of weeks of January, you have some Cold temperatures, you can have a quick breakup. But when you look at when you think about the overall EBITDA For everything combined the last three quarters, it's been pretty it's been in that $150,000,000 EBITDA range. So I think What's driving that is more your same store sales. Speaker 300:33:11So that's what Alan alluded to in the call there that You look at some of our waste processing that produced water volumes, our terminal volumes, they're all up Definitely year over year and even up from Q4. Speaker 700:33:27Got it. Thanks. Are all of the proposed tribunal assets in the EWM segment or some of them sprinkled in any of the others? Speaker 300:33:39Yes. Yes, they're all EWM. Yes. Speaker 700:33:41Yes. And then Sorry, go ahead. Speaker 400:33:50Yes, there'd be a few terminals in the Energy Infrastructure segment as well. Speaker 700:33:55Okay. Got it. And then last for me, I'm not sure how much you can really talk about it publicly, but wondering if you could give a sense of the level of interest you've had from potential buyers of the I understand priority number 1 is to win the appeal, but penny you don't. Just wondering if you could share any interest you've had for them so far. Speaker 300:34:12Well, go ahead, Al. Speaker 200:34:13Yes. I mean, we've definitely had interest. I mean, I think, from a market perspective, They understand these are great quality assets and they have interest, but our message to them is, look, We put out our notice of appeal in March and we think there's strong grounds From laws of error and laws of fat, errors of fat that we can appeal on and we're now working through kind of That detailed summary, I basically consider the notice of appeal as an outline and now we put in all the substance And to warn that the competition bureau will see, they'll have a chance to respond. And during this entire process, We have a stake. So we're not obligated to advance any sort of sale process whatsoever. Speaker 200:35:07It's business as usual. You keep running the assets. We hope to have a trial here mid June. And then as we said, we anticipate, you don't really know, but a In Q4, so while there has been interest for sure in these assets, a lot of interest, it's just we've said, hey, let us get through the appeal Process first, as we think we've got a strong grounds for fuel. Speaker 700:35:38Got it. Really appreciate the color. I'll turn Speaker 200:35:40it back. Thanks. Thank Operator00:35:44you. There are no further questions at this time. You may proceed. Speaker 300:35:51All right. Thanks everybody for being on the conference call today. A taped broadcast of The call will be available on Securus' website. I invite you all to attend or at least call in to our Securus Annual General Meeting of Shareholders tomorrow at 11 am Mountain Time to be held via conference call. You can find the login details on our website. Speaker 300:36:15We look forward to providing you with updates on Secure's performance at the end of July after the completion of our Q2. Thanks again. Bye now. 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