Interpublic Group of Companies Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 27, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to The Interpublic Group First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. All parties are in a listen only mode until the question and answer portion. This conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to introduce Mr.

Operator

Jerry Leshne, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning. Thank you for joining us. This morning, we are joined by our CEO, Philippe Krakowski and by Ellen Johnson, our CFO. We have posted our earnings release and our slide presentation on our website, interpublic.com. We will begin our call with prepared remarks to be followed by Q and A.

Speaker 1

We plan to conclude before market open at 9:30 Eastern. During this call, we will refer to forward looking statements about our company. These are subject to the uncertainties and the cautionary statement that is included in our earnings release and the slide presentation. These are further detailed in our 10 Q and other filings with the SEC. We will also refer to certain non GAAP measures.

Speaker 1

We believe that these measures provide useful Supplemental data that while not a substitute for GAAP measures allow for greater transparency in the review of our financial and operational performance. At this point, it is my pleasure to turn things over to Filip Krakowski.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jerry, and good morning. As usual, I'll begin our call with an overview of our performance in the quarter. Alan will then provide additional details, and I'll conclude with updates on highlights at our agencies to be followed by your Q and A. Let's start at the top of the revenue. The organic change of our revenue before billable expenses was a decrease of 20 basis points against last year's very strong Q1 organic growth of 11.5%.

Speaker 2

That performance is consistent with our internal forecast, not only for IPG as a whole, across our operating segments and at the individual agency level. Back in February, we called out for you the puts and takes specific to our diverse portfolio of services and within client sectors, which would be impacting our results during the first half of this year. So it's fair to say the year is tracking as we expected. In keeping with our typical calendar, We recently refreshed our outlook with our operators, and we remain comfortable at the midpoint of the growth range we shared with you on our February call, which is 2% to 4% organic revenue growth for the full year. Specifically, during the Q1, The services and sectors that have led our substantial multiyear growth, notably media and healthcare, continue to perform strongly.

Speaker 2

Our Experiential and Public Relations businesses also continued their growth into the New Year. Also worth calling out and we've continued to win some of the largest competitive new account opportunities in market so far this year. These wins encompass a diverse set of client sectors, including financial services, pharma and autos. And as they come on stream, they'll build on the large client win in the retail sector, which closed out last year. Taken together and given the advanced client briefs increasingly in play, new account activity further demonstrates our role in the business transformation agendas of the world's most sophisticated marketers.

Speaker 2

As we've called out in recent conversations with you, The performance of our digital specialist agencies continued to weigh on growth in the Q1. Transformation underway at those businesses You'll also recall that in our most recent call, we underscored the evolving impact of a more challenging environment specific to the technology sector, which is one of our largest client sectors. We've all seen it in the headlines, most prominently with respect to employment in technology. That austerity and cost focus did continue to weigh on our revenue results in the Q1. Notwithstanding that impact and a macro that since the beginning of Q4 of last year has been somewhat more cautious.

Speaker 2

It's notable that 6 of our 8 client sectors grew in the quarter on top of very strong performance a year ago. We were led by growth in our other sector of diversified industrials and government clients with growth in consumer goods, financial services, autos, healthcare and food and beverage. As discussed, our tech and telecom sector decreased in the quarter as did to a much lesser degree retail. Both were comping against double digit gains a year ago. Regionally, The U.

Speaker 2

S. Decreased 90 basis points organically in the quarter, and this is largely the result of agency and sector specific challenges that we've just called out and came against 12% growth in Q1 of 2022. Our international markets grew 1.2% organically on top of 10% growth a year ago. In terms of our segments, each was cycling double digit growth a year ago. Our Media, Data and Engagement Solutions segment offset by the underperformance at the digital specialty agencies.

Speaker 2

Our segment of integrated advertising and creativity led solutions decreased 90 basis points organically and there we were again outpaced by growth at IPG Health, while the decreases in the tech and telco sector weighed on overall segment performance. In Specialized Communications and Experiential Solutions, We grew 3.3 percent organically, highlighted by increases across our experiential and public relations offerings. As we navigate the near term, our team and has demonstrated over a period of many years that we have the financial and management talent, tools and business model to successfully manage margin in a range of business environments. Q1 adjusted EBITDA margin was 9.7% in our smallest seasonal quarter, and that result compares favorably to our pre pandemic Q1 2019 margin of approximately 5%, which means we're seeing both structural efficiencies and meaningful leverage on our growth over the last several years. As expected, margin decreased from a year ago when expenses for travel and entertainment were still unusually low due to the impact of the pandemic as well as additions to headcount, which has lagged the robust growth environment.

Speaker 2

We are effectively managing our flexible operating model. This is clear in our expense for temporary labor, performance based incentive compensation and SG and A. Each was notably lower than a year ago. Our expense for severance was also elevated in this year's Q1, and we'll begin to see the benefit to margin of those actions going forward. Further, we continue to see the impact from actions that we've taken over the last few years on our real estate portfolio, where we've reduced occupied square footage by approximately 30%.

Speaker 2

As with the top line target, We remain committed to our margin target for the year of 16.7%. Diluted earnings per share in the quarter with $0.33 as reported and with $0.38 as adjusted for intangibles and amortization and other items. During the quarter, we repurchased 2,200,000 shares using $78,000,000 In February, our Board authorized another $350,000,000 share repurchase program and increased our common share dividend by 7%. Our ability to create marketing and media solutions that bring together creativity, technology and data at scale responsive to the evolving needs of marketers for more advanced and integrated services. We're consistently bringing together The current macro may be creating a moment in which for certain clients efficiency is prevailing at the expense of increasing effectiveness in order to power business growth.

Speaker 2

In the mid and longer term, We remain confident that the fundamental drivers of value for our clients, employees, shareholders and the communities in which we operate At this point, it seems appropriate to hand the call over to Ellen for a more detailed review of our results.

Speaker 3

Thank you. I hope that everyone is well. As a reminder, my remarks will track to the presentation slides that accompany our webcast. Beginning with the highlights on Slide 2 of the presentation, our Q1 revenue before billable expenses Our organic net revenue decrease was 90 basis points in the U. S, which was partially offset by organic growth in our international markets of 1.2%.

Speaker 3

1st quarter adjusted EBITDA before a small restructuring adjustment was $210,800,000 and margin was 9.7%. Diluted earnings per share with $0.33 as reported and $0.38 as adjusted. The adjustments exclude the after tax impacts of the amortization of acquired intangibles, the small adjustment to our previous restructuring actions and non operating losses on the sales of certain small non strategic businesses. We repurchased 2,200,000 shares during the quarter for 78,000,000 Turning to Slide 3, you'll see our P and L for the quarter. I'll cover revenue and Our net revenue in the quarter was $2,180,000,000 Compared to Q1 'twenty two, the impact of the change in exchange rates of negative 2.3 percent with the dollar stronger against currency in nearly all of our international markets.

Speaker 3

Net acquisitions added 20 basis points. Our organic decrease of revenue before billable expenses with $4,000,000 or 20 basis points. At the bottom of this slide, we break out segment revenue. Our Media, Data and Engagement Solutions segment decreased 70 basis points organically against double digit growth a year ago. Strong growth at our Media businesses was offset by decreases elsewhere in the segment.

Speaker 3

As we have previously noted, our digital specialist agencies are in the process of transforming their business model, and their performance weighed significantly on the overall segment growth at approximately the same level as in Q4. Our Integrated Advertising and Creatively Led Solutions segment decreased organically by 90 basis points against double digit growth a year ago. Growth at IPT Health was offset by decreases at certain of our other creatively led integrated agencies. At our Specialized Communication and Exponential Solutions segment, organic growth was 3.3%. We grew across public relations and experiential offerings on top of double digit growth in the Q1 of last year.

Speaker 3

Moving on to Slide 5, our organic net revenue growth by region. In the U. S, which comprise 68% of our revenue before billable expenses in the quarter. Our organic decrease was 90 basis points against 12.2% growth a year ago. Our growth at Mediabrands, IPG Health and our public relations agencies was offset by decreases at our specialty digital offerings and at certain of our other agencies, mainly as a result of declines in the tech sector.

Speaker 3

International Markets for 32% of our net revenue in the quarter and increased 1.2% organically on top of 10.2% growth last year. The UK increased 2.9% organically. We were led by strong increases at our media and experiential offerings and at McCann. Continental Europe decreased 4% organically in the quarter. Growth in Spain and Portugal was more than offset by decreases in Germany and France.

Speaker 3

Asia Pac decreased 2.6% organically. Japan, China and India were all lower, but Australia and New Zealand increased. Our organic growth in LatAm with 3.9% and was led by strong growth in media. We saw increases across all of our national markets. Our other markets group, which is Canada, the Middle East and Africa grew 9.3% on top of 19.9% a year ago, with notably strong growth continuing in the Middle East.

Speaker 3

Moving on to Slide 6 and operating expenses in the quarter. Our net operating expenses, which exclude billable expenses, the amortization of acquired intangibles and the restructuring adjustment increased only 60 basis points from the year ago. The result was our margin of adjusted EBITDA with 9.7%. As expected, our margin decreased from 12.3% a year ago when headcount and T and E expenses were lower due to the pandemic. That 9.7% result represents a significant increase from the pre pandemic Q1 of 2019 when margins were approximately 5%.

Speaker 3

As you can see on this slide, our ratio of total salaries and related expense as a percentage of net revenue was 72.5% compared with 70.2 percent a year ago. Again, all of these ratios are against our smallest quarterly net revenue base of the year. Underneath that SRS results, we delivered on our expense for base payroll, benefits and tax due to hiring over the course of the past year. Our average headcount increased 3.8% from the Q1 of last year to support our organic growth of 4.3% over the trailing 12 month period. Our expense for performance based incentive compensation decreased from a year ago from 4% to 2.5% of net revenue.

Speaker 3

The decrease reflects our slower start to the year. Severance expense was 1.5 percent of net revenue compared with 50 basis points a year ago. As we continue to evolve the portfolio and transform our businesses, we expect severance will remain elevated in our 2nd quarter and that we will increasingly see the benefits of these actions on margins as we move forward through the year. Temporary labor expense was 3.4 percent of net revenue compared with 4.8% in Q1 'twenty two, which is consistent with its role as a variable and a flexible expense when revenue slows. Each of these ratios is in the appendix on Slide 22.

Speaker 3

Also on this slide, our office and other direct expense with 15.2% of net revenue compared with 14.5% in Q1 'twenty two. Underneath that, we continue to leverage our expense for occupancy, which was 4.9% of net revenue compared with 5.1% a year ago. All other office and other direct expense was 10.3% of net revenue compared with 9.4% in Q1 'twenty two, which reflects the return of certain variable expenses, most notably higher T and E and meetings compared to a year ago. Our SG and A expense was 60 basis points of net revenue, a decrease of 30 basis points from a year ago. On Slide 7, we present details on adjustments to our reported Q1 results in order to provide better transparency and a picture of comparable performance.

Speaker 3

This begins on the left hand side with our reported results and steps through to adjusted EBITDA and our adjusted diluted EPS. Our expense for the amortization of acquired intangibles in the second column was 20.9 which were small adjustments in the quarter related to previous restructuring actions. Below operating expenses in column 4, We had a pretax loss in the quarter of $4,200,000 in other expenses due to the disposition with a few small nonstrategic businesses. At the foot of this slide, we present the after tax impact per diluted share of each of these adjustments, which bridges our diluted EPS as reported at $0.33 to adjusted earnings of $0.38 per diluted share. On Slide 8, we turn to cash flow in the quarter.

Speaker 3

Cash used in operations was $547,600,000 compared with $633,600,000 a year ago. As a reminder, our operating cash flow is highly seasonal. We typically generate significant cash from working capital in the 4th quarter and use cash in the Q1. During this year's Q1, our working capital use was $695,000,000 and that follows our Q4 of last year when we generated $851,000,000 from working capital. The net of the 2 is $156,000,000 of cash generated from working capital, which is squarely in the range of our recent history.

Speaker 3

It's worth noting that cash from operations before working capital changes was $148,000,000 in the quarter. In our investing activities, We used $34,700,000 in the quarter, mainly for CapEx. Our financing activities in the quarter used 274 point of $3,000,000 primarily for our common stock dividend, share repurchases and taxes withheld in our performance based incentive compensation. Our net decrease in cash for the quarter was $866,300,000 which is comparable to the Q1 a year ago. Slide 9 is the current portion of our balance sheet.

Speaker 3

We ended the quarter with $1,680,000,000 of cash and equivalents. Slide 10 depicts the maturities of our outstanding debt. As you can see on the schedule, total debt at quarter end was 2,900,000,000 Our next maturity is April 2024 for only $250,000,000 Thereafter, Our next maturity is not until 2028. In summary, on Slide 11, our teams are focused on executing at a high level. And importantly, we're on track to deliver on our expectations for the year.

Speaker 3

I would like to express our pride in and gratitude for the efforts of our people. The strength of our balance sheet and liquidity means that we remain well positioned, both financially and commercially. And with that, I'll turn it back to Philippe.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ellen. The results we're reporting today, as you heard, are in line with what we forecast coming into the year for the Q1 and consistent with the phasing of our full year plans. That said, our top line performance in the quarter is not in keeping with our long term track record for the growth we're collectively striving to achieve. As mentioned earlier, during the quarter, we won several of the highest profile and largest reviews in the industry, and these wins encompass a diverse set of client sectors and demonstrate our key role in the business transformation journey of marketers in a number of sectors across the economy. They will also increasingly benefit our growth as we move further into the year.

Speaker 2

We continue to invest in our emerging technology capabilities as well as expertise across the group and with external partners with a focus on areas including Web 3.0 and artificial intelligence. We also recently launched a pilot program during the quarter with D Wave, quantum computing pioneer, to build advertising optimization equations based on our existing data sets, focusing first on an engagement with 1 of our top 20 clients. When it comes to AI and machine learning, IPG has been investing in this area for some time. For PRIZE Media, Our network that specializes in search marketing and retail media marketplaces onboarded a Chief AI over 2 years ago, just as MRM was adding a Global Head of AI and Behavioral Sciences. Acxiom has also been a long time user of AI in their data analytics practice to improve how companies reach consumers.

Speaker 2

All three of these entities fit on our AI steering committee, which recently launched a number of incubators and labs that leverage our enterprise agreements with a range of large technology partners. Turning to specific highlights from the quarter at the agency level. At our Media, Data and Engagement Solutions segment, we continue to see strong growth in industry recognition for our media operations. Notably, IPG Media Brands was named the new media AOR and marketing transformation partner for GEICO in a highly competitive industry wide review. Initiatives' continued outstanding performance was recognized by both Adweek, which named it Global Media Agency of the Year and Ad Age, where initiative was A List Media Agency of the Year.

Speaker 2

At the network welcomed a new global CEO and won multiple honors at the Campaign Global Agency of the Year Awards. Our MediaHub Agency, now a part of Media Brands, was named Media AOR for home appliances brand Bosch in Australia and New Zealand. It extended its relationship with Royal Caribbean and Celebrity Cruises in the U. K. And Europe.

Speaker 2

The MediaHub was also named Global Media Agency of Record by ASPRE. MatterKind's Outcome Navigator, Our proprietary suite of connected solutions for digital media that guarantees outcomes for marketers was named the winner at the 2023 BIG Innovation Awards presented by the Business Intelligence Group and Reprise Media, which I had mentioned earlier, has been shortlisted in the running to be Campaign's Global Performance Agency of the Year. Acxiom continues to lean into its strategic partnerships, integrating its ethical data and identity products in the cloud solutions, including data clean rooms powered by Snowflake, which allow customers to securely share datasets with partners and platforms to identify high value audiences and consumers. Since the start of the year, Acxiom has been among Salesforce's fastest growing full stack marketing partners, and we further expanded the list of leading ad tech platforms where marketers can find and activate Acxiom data. During the quarter, we saw our new sales force asset RafterOne Your new assignments from Motorola in partnership with MRM.

Speaker 2

Huge has begun to go to market under its new positioning as a consultative creative growth accelerator. The agency recently launched in Australia and was also recognized by Business Insider as a thought leader in the area of AI. At RGA, we announced Significant C suite changes. Globally, new business wins included Metagenyx and KFC. RGA has also brought generative AI into its creative work processes on clients like Verizon, Opendoor and Nike and released an AI ethics handbook to assist clients in assessing how they will incorporate the technology into their marketing programs.

Speaker 2

And Payne also named RGA as Digital Innovation Agency of the Year in the U. K. At our Integrated Advertising and Creativity Led Solutions segment, IPG Health Led Performance. During the quarter, we saw wins with a number of clients in the growing therapeutic areas of oncology, endocrine, metabolic in cardiovascular disease. The company also made significant leadership appointments, naming a Chief Medical Officer and a Chief Strategy Officer, who will both facilitate even greater interconnectivity across the network in the service of our health and pharma clients.

Speaker 2

On prior calls and conversations with you, we've mentioned that our media and health offerings leverage IPG's data spine and our open architecture model. This quarter, IPG Health launched a healthcare first connected data intelligence platform in the U. S, integrating tools from Acxiom, IPG's marketing intelligence engine and media brands into their offering. And IPG Health is also named Healthcare Network of the Year by Ad Age, marking the first time a healthcare network has been named to the prestigious A List. At McCann, wins in the Q1 included premium mattress brand Beautyrest at McCann Detroit and continued growth at McCann Paris' luxury practice, which recently added the Valentino brand.

Speaker 2

At FCB, the highlight in the quarter came when the network was appointed Global Agency of Record for SCOTA, including one of the biggest pitches in Europe. The World Advertising Research Center, also named FCB New York is the industry's number one most awarded creative agency for effectiveness and FCB's contract for change work of the Chicago office, I believe, for Michelob Ultra was the world's most awarded communications campaign for effectiveness. MullenLowe in the U. K. Was named Agency of Record for Manpower, and more recently, the agency was selected by the U.

Speaker 2

S. Golf Association to help grow and brand the sport. Reflecting an increase in the number of global in person events as well as the need for companies to seek out strategic communications advice during periods of economic uncertainty and societal change, Our Specialized Communications and Experiential Solutions segment saw good growth during the quarter. Octagon onboarded new brand and talent clients as well as negotiating a historic long term partnership agreement for Stephen Curry with Under Armour. Additionally, along with the Media Brands team, Octagon was tapped to serve as the strategic lead for GEICO's more than 100 sports marketing partnerships with leagues and teams.

Speaker 2

Weber

Speaker 4

Shandwick had

Speaker 2

a solid start to the year. With its multi stakeholder approach, the firm's corporate and public affairs capabilities drove growth as did the health and wellness sectors. Agency won new client partner Case International Harvester, The global agricultural company and expanded assignments with several large clients, including Mars. GOLEN saw strong growth in the quarter driven by the U. K.

Speaker 2

And North America, where they saw sector strength in consumer marketing and healthcare. A key executive hire included a new health equity lead who will help integrate the agency's public health, Riot Games and Novartis and notable activations in the quarter, including large scale client events at March Madness and MLB's opening day. Similarly, momentum posted growth in the quarter as innovative in the way brands connect with consumers, notably through the use of immersive technologies, including the integration of augmented and mixed reality with live broadcast. This approach helped them win new clients like Purina and General Mills. At the holding company level, we've long been clear that for IPG, Our commitment to ESG is a priority with 5 key strategic pillars, including DE and I, Climate Action, with growing demand for climate action among consumers and the need for all companies to adapt to changing Regulations, particularly in the data space, ESG is a crucial topic, not just for us, but for our clients.

Speaker 2

On our call in February, we indicated to you that we were entering the year in a net new business negative position. In the intervening period, we've successfully neutralized that deficit and the benefits of those wins will begin to come on stream in the second half of the year. Despite macro uncertainty that's largely consistent with what we saw in Q4, The tone of the business remains solid, and we should meaningfully cycle issues at certain of our agencies beginning in Q3. Industry new business activity in areas where we're strong, notably media, is picking up and should present further upside opportunities for us. As indicated earlier, we remain comfortable with our growth outlook for the year along with our expectation for margin expansion.

Speaker 2

Over time, we've consistently demonstrated that we can expand margins. Our flexible cost model is an important lever not only for improving margins in times of growth, but also to consolidate those gains in the face of downturns in the business environment. Another key area for value creation remains our strong balance sheet and liquidity, and our ongoing commitment to capital returns has been clearly underscored by both our recent dividend increase as well as share repurchases. Our teams remain highly focused on delivering on our targets by continuing to provide higher order business solutions to clients, those to help them drive growth in the digital economy. We thank our partners and our people for their continued support as well as those of you on this call for your time and interest.

Speaker 2

And with that, let's open the floor to questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question is from Steve Cahall with Wells Fargo, you may go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning. So Philippe, it sounds like The U. S. Trend should see sequential improvement throughout the year.

Speaker 5

I think you're in your last quarter of cycling off a big loss and I think you'll now be cycling on to some wins. So first off, is that right as we kind of think about the trend to organic growth as we move through the year? And then in the release you mentioned some of the weakness in the tech sector. I imagine what's gone on recently in the financial sector probably hasn't helped. So In your mind, is there any new negatives in your technology exposure?

Speaker 5

Or are the expectations for that vertical kind of unchanged From where you were when you started the year. And then I have a follow-up for Ellen.

Speaker 2

Sure. I think what we're seeing is consistent with what we shared with you back in February, right? So I think within tech and telco, it comes down to individual decision making by Actually a fairly tight number of clients, sort of a handful of clients that's specific to either facts and circumstances in their business or Clearly, the degree to which that sector is being impacted. And then in terms of how we are thinking about and Kind of how the year phases, it's definitely the case that we think that the bulk of what we've indicated to you, so both the Sector and tech and telco, I think it's probably about a 2% drag on organic growth at the worldwide level in Q1. So whether it's that or whether it's what's happening within those 2 kind of leading edge Digital agencies in the portfolio that will cycle off starting the beginning of Q3.

Speaker 5

Great. And then, Ellen, I think salaries were up more than 2 percentage points as a percentage of revenue in the quarter, Office and Direct was up a little bit as well. So maybe how are you thinking about the ability to pass through some of the cost or wage inflation through organic growth? Is there any upside to EBITDA margin guidance? And is there any more restructuring we should expect this year?

Speaker 5

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Maybe I'll start with your last question first. No, we do not plan on any more restructuring. And then working backwards. In inflation, so the vast majority of our clients and contracts do have clauses that allow us to come to the table and have discussions with our clients.

Speaker 3

But it's not automatic and it's a discussion. And our main objective with our clients, in addition to make sure that we get fairly paid for our services is really to grow our share along with them. So it's a conversation. But as we've said previously, it hasn't been a large part of our growth to date or in our forecast. Really, it's more organic growth with existing clients and our net new business wins.

Speaker 3

With our we're very comfortable with our margin targets for the year. If you look at it, When you look at base salaries, you're comparing it to a year ago, when growth was so strong and our Headcount was lagging that growth. You'll also see higher return to office expenses in our numbers this year, with T and E and meetings. But that said, you see us using our variable cost structure and flexing it. You see temp help down, performance based comp is also lower.

Speaker 3

So we remain very confident in our margin target for the year.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you. You.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Karnovsky with JPMorgan. You may go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thank you. So we wanted to see if you could dig in a bit on the digital specialist agencies, RGA and Huge. We've seen some articles in the trades about ongoing Structuring is there. So wondering where you think you are in terms of getting these agencies to where they need to be? And would you expect them longer term to return to being growth engines for the company or have some of what were very unique capabilities a few years ago just kind of been adapted by your other networks?

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 2

That's a fair question. I think it's clearly in the nature of their offerings, where you have a lot more innovation hanging taking place. And so I think that whether it is it's funny because if you really think about it, we're really seeing the macro in very specific in few and specific places. So we've seen it impact tech and then clearly these are agencies that are probably Have greater exposure to that sector than other parts of the portfolio. But I think what you've got there is you've got 2 entities with premium positioning.

Speaker 2

The field has become somewhat more crowded. And then the timing in terms of when they were hitting a cycle at which There needed to be a reinvention happens to be, as we're going through this period where there is Some uncertainty. So the thinking is to get them more focused. As I mentioned, you did see News of a leadership change at RGA. Hugh just further along in terms of what the next value proposition is going to be for them.

Speaker 2

And essentially it's going to market with more of a consultative model where it's less people and hours and more of a product and solutions approach. So that's in market now. And then I don't think that it's an issue that's sort of intrinsic to the space. So we do expect them to get back to being growth drivers for us. I think to be a growth leader, you increasingly no matter where you sit in the you have to be linked into the data stack into what we're doing around precision and accountability, but both of them I think have that predisposition given the nature of what they do.

Speaker 2

As we've been clear as well, I think that some of those losses again, where we saw that impact us or begin to impact us. We see that falling off as we start the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then for Ellen, you had a decent size reduction in net interest expense for the quarter. Just wanted to see if there's any guidance you can give on how that might progress for the year?

Speaker 3

Sure. Interest income was higher, but that's really due to the Rising interest environments that we're in and the amount of return we're able to earn on our cash balances, which we actively manage. So really, it's a factor of where interest rates go, but there is nothing that I would highlight other than that.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tim Nollen with Macquarie. You may go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks. Can you hear me okay?

Speaker 7

Yes. Yes.

Speaker 6

Hi. Flip, I don't mind if I push one more time on the tech and the Huge RGA question. I just want to see how much the 2 are related. I went back to my notes from last quarter and I think you said that those two agencies, Huge and RGA, were a 1.6% drag on Q4 organic growth. And think I heard you say just now that tech and telco sectors were a 2% drag worldwide in Q1.

Speaker 6

I just want to make sure I understand how much is tech and telco

Speaker 2

When we say Tech and Telco, we're talking about the client sector. So that 2% does impact other parts of the portfolio and that is the organic the drag to organic growth is that client sector. If we were to quantify the digital specialists and their impact on Q1 to us, I think either in the U. S. Or globally that was very marginally north of 1%.

Speaker 2

And there's some overlap there. So Both of those combined probably cost us a hair under 3% of organic revenue. Hopefully that helps.

Speaker 6

That's great. I wasn't even hoping I wasn't even thinking I'd get that kind of a number from you. So that's great, great to hear. So separate but related issues. Thanks for that.

Speaker 6

Could I ask another question on margins? You beat our estimate on operating margin, and I think probably ahead of what you were Pointing people towards. Was that some real estate savings from the Q4 events that are already working through? And I think you also mentioned on the last call that you still expect to be net hiring in 2023. I wonder if that is still the case.

Speaker 6

So how

Speaker 2

do we think about the I will I'll start and then I'll pass it over to Ellen. I think what you do see is you see where We've been taking a very large business over time. We've been evolving it. We do have disparate results across the portfolio. And so yes, we're definitely hiring because within the number you've got, the businesses will segment.

Speaker 2

We talked about the growth we're seeing, strong growth with media brands, with media and data informed solutions at healthcare. So you're seeing that and then obviously you're seeing the places in the business that we've called out for you where we've got some challenges and some Which would probably anywhere in between those. And in terms of margins, I'll just start by Talking about the fact that we've been clear with you all about the degree to which the model does flex and the fact that we're very focused on and very disciplined about all of the levers and all of the component parts that help us ensure that we're on top of that. And I think I'll ask calendar then just fill in the specific pieces underneath that.

Speaker 3

Sure. I would just point out that we have Standard margin, 2 60 basis points over the last several years. So we really have a good sense of on how to do this. You did see that severance was elevated in the quarter. And as Philippe pointed out, we are hiring where we have growth, but we're also adjusting the business in places that we do, both for either rightsizing or upscaling talent.

Speaker 3

We expect that will continue in Q2, but we'll see the savings from that as we move forward through the year. As you've mentioned, we are seeing the savings from the real estate as well as using TempHealth as we should as a lever. So I think all of those things together keep it make us feel good about our margin targets for the year and our ability to expand them going forward.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you both. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Nathanson with MoffettNathanson. You may go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thanks. I have

Speaker 8

a 2 parter. First, Ellen, what is in your billable expenses? And why was there such a variability between net and gross revenues? And can you remind me if you take a personal decision in media buying? We're taking on an answer, I have one for Philippe.

Speaker 3

So our is truly pass through expense. And the reason we do net accounting is because there is not a margin in those billable expenses. So it just varies based upon how our clients are spending, and that's the variability.

Speaker 8

Okay. So There's not a media buying position in there. And believe, I think in the past, you guys have not you've been pretty Clear, right. So given that others are now doing it, it looks like with some success, why maintain that posture when it seems like it's now more standard?

Speaker 2

It's interesting because in my comments, I talked about the degree to which we might be at a moment in time Efficiency is perhaps trumping effectiveness and there had really been a focus and it clearly worked In our favor for a number of years now to solutions where that data layer and the ability to be really, really Precise and be smarter in terms of how you put that investment to work. It's clearly a fair question and it's something that we will look at because we want to be able to operate in as many modes as possible in order to your point to take advantage of whatever at a secular level the marketplace tells us is working, Right. So our model has worked well for us to your point. Something seems to be out there that indicates that You want to be looking at different modalities and that's something that we're leaning into.

Speaker 7

Okay, cool. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Lina Gayer with BNP Paribas. You may go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi. Hello, Philippe, Elin, Jamie. I hope

Operator

you are well. I have 3 questions on my side. The first

Speaker 9

one is, can you give us an update on the momentum for Acxiom? The second one is around your investments Headcount for this quarter and how do you think about tariff growth for the rest of the year that will be in the bonus pool front? And lastly and marginally, how would you qualify your Marketing appetite at the moment, are there some delays, phasing, inflation, caution or optimism? But any color would be appreciated. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. I'm not sure in what order. So perhaps I'll start with the first and the last and then Pass the question in the middle to Ellen. Acxiom is growing. Acxiom is I think different than the data asset that exists within one of our competitors because At least my understanding is that there's a media component to that, whereas for us Acxiom is A first party data management business and where we plug it into and it works closely With others of our agency businesses, we then see more attractive growth within those businesses.

Speaker 2

So to the extent that Media is our strongest performer and one can assume that it's growing well ahead of The overall number for us, we're seeing Acxiom Fuel strong results. Its Core business where it sells these very large software engagements to handle first party data for clients, Those are multi year contracts. Those take a while to sell in. And that is, to our mind, always going to be A business that has probably mid to slightly below mid single digit growth. That's really not The purpose of it, it is the engine on which we drive a lot of the others.

Speaker 2

And then in terms of your question about Clients, I think it's quite consistent with what we shared with you, the last time we spoke. So I think that at the time, We did say that there was a sense at that point, a palpable sense that, there had been More of a caution or that clients were looking for a level of flexibility and contingency planning. But I don't think that there's really been a change since that time as we go into this point in the year. And I think The thing that I would also sort of point out if you try to dimensionalize the macro is we take you through The client sectors, you can assume that those are probably in the order of the growth at which They're coming in and we said 6 of the 8 sectors were growing. And I guess if you wanted sort of further quantification, you've got 3 of them at the top end that are growing north of 5% and 3 that are growing 3% to 5%.

Speaker 2

And The tech and telco is clearly the drain on us, but I don't think we're seeing a macro that is Dramatically different than what we shared with you when we last spoke.

Speaker 3

Okay. And going to staff cost ratios, we're starting the year in our seasonally smallest quarter. So staff cost ratios in this quarter are ahead of revenue growth in our hiring. And as you've seen, we use temporary labor, as a good lever, in that as well. And then I've also pointed out that severance is high and will be in this first half of the year and we do expect to see savings from that in the back half of the year as well.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Julien Roch with Barclays. You may go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey Julien. Yes. Hi there, Philippe. Ellen, how are you? Two questions.

Speaker 7

The first one is Q1 was light, but you said it's absolutely fine. It's all in line with our phasing, because, 1, we're going to cycle out, huge and RGA and you were kind enough to tell you that the drag was 1% in Q1. And 2, you said that you won quite a few things that will contribute more and more throughout the year. So Is it possible to have a number like for you in RGA on the new business contribution for the full year, so we can Work out the phasing. That's my first question.

Speaker 7

And then the second one, lots and lots of comments on AI in many industry, generative AI that is. If you had to kind of say what will be the potential biggest positive for Interpublic coming from Gena TVI and also what Could be the biggest potential negative. Thank

Speaker 2

you. I don't think we're unique on the latter question. So obviously, When you think about a lot of the modeling work and the analytics work that is taking place in our data business, in our media business, As we mentioned on the prepared remarks increasingly where our health business is also incorporating that. We've been using machine learning for some time there, and so I think there continue to be opportunities there. I think that the commerce space for us is still opportunity.

Speaker 2

There's a great deal that we can do there. And You saw us towards the end of the year last year make an acquisition in that space. You saw us add a leader for that space at the holding company level. So I think that in a number of areas, it's going to enhance the nature of the services that we provide to clients. And then I think that the question or the challenge is how do you incorporate it into your processes and then How do you enhance what you're doing on the creative side of things by perhaps reinvesting Some of the dollars it frees up because it will doubtless make it possible to do some of the things that we're doing Inside of the creative agencies differently, faster, perhaps more efficiently.

Speaker 2

And then on the new business question, that would be a tough 1, because as I said, the real opportunities and the places where we're seeing New business come up is either in media, in large integrated opportunities where data and media are important components of our offering. But I don't think that we are going to start breaking down the new business At the agency level because I'd rather people spend time actually with clients and focused on growth than Sort of that level of performance kind of granularity back to you guys. But it's not the fall off there, The fact that it ends up and we begin to cycle off of that in the Q3, what is cycling on, We've had wins in integrated consumer advertising work in financial services in auto And then we've had wins in media, also in financial services and in pharma. But what's coming in and what's going out isn't necessarily the same.

Speaker 7

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I was Looking for an indication at the overall company level, maybe I wasn't clear about

Speaker 2

I mean, as I said, we went into the year net new business with a headwind. And at this point, we have managed to retire that. And all of and the wins will start coming on stream shortly, but definitively and stronger in the back half.

Speaker 7

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

And our last Question comes from Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. You may go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, this is Cameron McVeigh on for Ben. Good morning. Hey, how are you? I had a couple. Just on your recent appointment of your Chief Commerce Strategy Officer.

Speaker 2

I was wondering if you could talk a bit about the retail media opportunity and how your clients are approaching that. And then secondly, on the M and A environment, curious if your appetite has changed for M and A at all, if there's any specific type of strategic acquisition you guys are focused on in the near term? Thanks. Sure. Retail Media, definitely a high growth medium.

Speaker 2

I think it has any number of benefits, whether it's that it's closer to where The advertising technology ecosystem, also that they're getting a different 1st party data set with which to enhance their own first party data. So we continue to see that as an area that has A lot of growth to it. And as I mentioned, we've got a retail media marketplace business inside of media brands at reprise, but we are also doing Quite a bit of the work that surrounds retail media at a number of our agencies like at an MRM, obviously, RafterOne, which was the acquisition. And I think it is a place where we continue to look. So whether it's performance media, whether it's commerce, Retail Media, those are clearly places where we will continue to look at and for M and A.

Speaker 2

And then the individual we brought across from Accenture has been spending a lot of time on the ground with Operator is in thinking about how to align or connect the various component parts we've got across the holding company. We've got shopper marketing businesses, shoppable commerce happens in the PR space, Clearly, media is a part of it. So, it's definitely a place where we believe there's a lot of opportunity.

Operator

Thank you. And that was our last question. I'll now turn it back to Philippe for any final thoughts.

Speaker 2

Well, again, thank you. We appreciate the time. I think I'd say that while results in Q1 are consistent with, As we said to you, our internal forecast and we believe ourselves to be on track. I'll just repeat something I said a bit earlier. They're not consistent with Our long term track record of growth or what we're expecting ourselves, so that's clearly the focus here.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes today's conference. You may disconnect at this time.

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