NASDAQ:SHYF The Shyft Group Q1 2023 Earnings Report $7.39 +0.04 (+0.54%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$7.38 0.00 (-0.07%) As of 04/17/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast The Shyft Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.08Consensus EPS -$0.05Beat/MissBeat by +$0.13One Year Ago EPSN/AThe Shyft Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$243.44 millionExpected Revenue$218.55 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$24.89 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AThe Shyft Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date4/27/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, April 27, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsThe Shyft Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, April 24, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by The Shyft Group Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 27, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to The Ship Group's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2022 Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in a listen only mode until the question and answer session of the conference call. As a reminder, the call is being recorded at the request of the shift group. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Operator00:00:22I'd now like to introduce Randy Wilson, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury of The Shift Group. Mr. Wilson, you may proceed. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you for joining this morning's call. I'm joined by Daryl Adams, President and Chief Executive Officer and John Doyer, Chief Financial Officer. Their prepared remarks will be followed by a question and answer session. For today's call, we have included a presentation deck that's been filed with the SEC and is also available on our website. Before we begin, Please turn to Slide 2 of the presentation for our Safe Harbor statement. Speaker 100:00:56Today's conference call contains forward looking statements, which are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied. Primary risks that management believes could materially affect our results are identified in our Forms 10 ks and 10 Q filed with the SEC. We will be discussing non GAAP information and performance measures we believe are useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. During today's call, we will provide a business update before moving on to a more detailed review of the results and our 2023 outlook. We will then open the line for Q and A. Speaker 100:01:35Please turn to Slide 3, and I'll turn it over to Daryl Adams. Speaker 200:01:39Thank you, Randy, and good morning, everyone. Overall, the Shift Group had a solid start to the year, delivered improved financial performance, while continuing to deliver on our strategy and long term growth initiatives. Our team achieved 18% sales growth, led by another record quarter in our service body business and improved performance in fleet vehicles and services. Our ability to increase output enabled us to improve profitability by over $11,000,000 versus the Q1 of last year. In addition, we delivered positive operating cash flow in the quarter and brought in nearly $34,000,000 more than prior year, which allowed us to efficiently deploy capital. Speaker 200:02:20We continued to make great progress on our BlueRock Electric Vehicle program in the quarter. We were very pleased to announce that not only did we achieve CARB and EPA certification for our Class 3, 4 and 5 EV delivery vehicles, But we did so with performance that more than exceeds our fleet customers' needs. The CARB test results for our Class 3 vehicle included a 225 mile city range and over a 200 mile combined city highway range, which can more than comfortably handle a daily delivery route. I would also like to take a moment to highlight a fantastic addition to the Shift Group As John Dunn joined the company in January as our Fleet Vehicle and Service President, he is a proven leader in manufacturing, customer relations and product development has made an immediate impact with our employees, customers and suppliers. Turning to Slide 4. Speaker 200:03:16Over the past 5 years, we have strategically moved the company toward last mile delivery and infrastructure focused specialty vehicles. We remain confident in these end markets and how the company is positioned to win over the long term. Consistent with our commentary in February, The market and macroeconomic environment remains dynamic. I will take you through how that looks by segment, starting with Fleet Vehicle and Services. We continue to analyze the parcel market, including performing independent market surveys, monitoring customer announcements and reviewing published industry reports. Speaker 200:03:51The consensus is clear. After an acceleration driven by the COVID pandemic and subsequent pause in e commerce penetration, the industry growth rate is expected to be in the mid to high single digit range for the foreseeable future, driven by the secular shift to e commerce. As a leader in this space, we are well positioned to benefit from this growth. As the operating environment unfolds in the near term, We continue to hear mixed feedback from our fleet operators, dealers and suppliers. While certain fleet operators are looking to accelerate fleet replacement, Others are still working to deploy vehicles from purchases made during COVID or working through efficiency actions given economic uncertainty. Speaker 200:04:37We remain close to our customers to support their fleet needs during this time, but remain cautious given these market signals. We remain flexible in our operations and will take the appropriate cost actions required to balance efficiency and growth. As we have previously communicated, the backlog in FES continues to normalize from the higher levels that we saw during COVID, driven by the improvement in production rates and supply chain. FES ended the quarter with a backlog of $585,000,000 which is still elevated compared to pre COVID levels. Moving to specialty vehicles. Speaker 200:05:13Continued investment in infrastructure Supported by federal government spending is bolstering demand for work trucks, with funding across end markets, including transportation, Power and grid enhancements and other critical infrastructure needs. As projects begin, contractors' fleet operators are investing in their fleet to meet demand. Sales of our work truck products were up 22% year over year, delivering above market growth and demonstrating strong customer demand. Turning to our Motorhome chassis business. We, like many others, have previously communicated overall softness in the RV market. Speaker 200:05:50While the Class A diesel segment is less cyclical, we have experienced declines as well. Our market share continues to remain strong And has been trending favorably, demonstrating the value of our product innovations and quality. Overall, the Shift Group continues to have industry leading brands that are well positioned to win in the markets we serve. We remain confident in our team's ability to execute in these dynamic times, deliver for our customers and achieve our long term financial targets. I'll now share some exciting developments underway in our FVS and SV businesses. Speaker 200:06:27Please turn to Slide 5. Starting with FVS highlights. As discussed earlier, we have seen certain delivery customers accelerate investment in fleet replenishment. We are excited to have been awarded a commercial off the shelf contract for over 18,000 cargo van upfits, Split between Ford E Transit and Ram ProMaster. We expect deliveries to begin in mid-twenty 23 and extend into 2024. Speaker 200:06:56This win demonstrates our position as a trusted industry partner and reflects our ability to deliver a highly Quality product at high volumes. Moving to our SV highlights. We have been successful in our service body geographic expansion And continue to execute our strategy of being a leading national provider. Consistent with this strategy, we recently announced the opening of our new Tennessee location, which will serve as a hub for upfitting Royal, DuraMag, Magnum and Strobe's products. This location provides direct access to 1 of the fastest growing regions in the country and enabled us To secure additional OEM chassis pools, which will help accelerate our growth in an already strong performing business. Speaker 200:07:43Turning to Slide 6. Speaker 100:07:46I will Speaker 200:07:46provide an update on our BlueArc EV development program. We made great progress in the Q1, and we are on track with our original development timeline, which has us starting vehicle production in the second half of the year. At the NTA Work Truck Show in March, we saw significant interest from customers, dealers and other industry partners. We also successfully hosted numerous future customers as part of our Ride and Drive. This positive response emphasizes that our BlueArc EVs are differentiated within the commercial electric vehicle industry, both for their design and the performance. Speaker 200:08:22In the Q1, the fact that we achieved CARB approval positions the previously discussed Pre order with Random Marion to a firm commitment. Their team remains excited about our progress and we continue to work with them on finalizing specifications for their first deliveries. We also made solid progress with our production facility and remain on track for manufacturing readiness. We continue to have positive momentum both operationally and commercially. In the coming months, we expect to deliver on key milestones, including Delivery of our first test units to key customers, expansion of our national dealer and service network and commencement of pilot and production vehicle builds. Speaker 200:09:07We are proud of the progress we have made and we have efficiently executed This program and look forward to providing updates on future calls. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John to discuss our Q1 financial results. Speaker 300:09:22Thank you, Daryl, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide 8, and I'll provide an overview of our financial results for the Q1. As we anticipated, our team performed well in this dynamic environment, delivering solid sales growth and significant improvement in profitability after a challenging start last year. Sales for the Q1 were $243,400,000 up 17.7% from the year ago quarter. The year over year improvement reflects strong service body and truck body performance and improved chassis supply in our walk in van and upfit product lines. Speaker 300:09:55Net income was $1,700,000 or $0.05 per share compared to a net loss of $3,900,000 or $0.11 per share in the previous year. We improved adjusted EBITDA to $10,800,000 or 4.4 percent of sales, up from a loss of $600,000 or negative 0.3 percent of sales in the Q1 of 2022. These results include EV spend of $8,500,000 up $4,100,000 from the prior year. Excluding EV spend, adjusted EBITDA was 7.9 percent of sales, up 6 10 basis points year over year. Adjusted net income improved to $4,300,000 compared to a loss of $2,100,000 in the year ago quarter, While adjusted EPS rose to $0.12 per share from a loss of $0.06 per share last year. Speaker 300:10:45I'll now walk through our 1st quarter results by operating segment beginning with Fleet Vehicles and Services on Slide 9. The team delivered improved performance year over year as we saw the benefits prior year truck body expansion efforts as well as higher production output driven by healthier chassis supply. While margins did significantly improve year over year, we do continue to experience inefficiencies as we work through the impact of supply chain challenges. FBS achieved sales of $159,400,000 up 41.5 percent compared to $112,700,000 a year ago. FBS adjusted EBITDA was $12,500,000 versus a loss of $900,000 a year ago. Speaker 300:11:28Adjusted EBITDA margin was 7.8 percent of sales compared to a loss of 0.8% of sales in the Q1 last year. Please turn to Slide 10 for the Specialty Vehicles' Q1 results. Our Specialty Vehicles business continues to perform well Despite the softness in the motorhome chassis business, the team delivered our 3rd consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin of more than 15%, driven by strong operating and commercial performance in our Work Truck businesses. 1st quarter sales were $87,200,000 a 7.4% decrease from $94,200,000 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA reflecting strong operational performance and the impact of improved price and mix. Speaker 300:12:24Please turn to Slide 11 for our 2023 outlook. We are pleased with our overall start to the year and the underlying performance in our business despite an uncertain operating environment. We delivered 1st quarter performance that was in line with our expectations. And as we look to the balance of the year, we are reaffirming our full year guidance. We remain cautious on demand in the broader economy And are taking appropriate actions to remain focused on both cost efficiency and growth. Speaker 300:12:52Our 2023 outlook is as follows: Sales to be in the range of $1,000,000,000 to $1,200,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of $70,000,000 to $100,000,000 representing 20% growth at the midpoint Adjusted EPS of $0.98 per share to $1.60 per share with shares outstanding of approximately $35,800,000 which includes the reduction in shares given recent And finally, free cash flow conversion as a percentage of net income expected to be greater than 100% as we drive down working capital. Please turn to the capital allocation slide on Slide 12. Overall, our balance sheet remains strong and we were able to maintain an overall net leverage ratio of 0.9 times, while investing in the business and returning capital to shareholders in the quarter. After delivering strong cash flow generation to end 2022, We generated $5,900,000 of operating cash in the Q1, demonstrating significant year over year improvement. Further progress on reducing working capital remains a key focus area for the company. Speaker 300:13:55Chip's organic investment priority is the development and launch of the BlueArc EV. As we ramp up production levels in the coming years, BlueArc is expected to be a significant earnings contributor and deliver favorable returns. We remain flexible in other capital deployment. And while we continue to evaluate M and A, we are also focused on returning capital to our shareholders when appropriate, as evidenced by the $10,700,000 deployed in the Q1 through repurchases and dividends. In closing, we are committed to generating cash flow maintaining a robust balance sheet to support strategic investments, future growth and efficient returns to shareholders. Speaker 300:14:35Now I'll turn the call back to Daryl for closing remarks. Speaker 200:14:38Thank you, John. Please turn to Slide 13. At the Shift Group, We have created a compelling industrial growth company. Our priorities start with a culture of customer focused innovation. We are driving operational excellence across the company and our financial strength allows us to invest in long term growth and deliver returns ahead of our peers. Speaker 200:14:58We have the right people and processes in place to execute our strategy. I am proud of the dedication and agility of our team members as they remain focused on delivering value for our customers and shareholders. I'd like to conclude today's call by announcing that Todd Heavann, our COO, who joined the Shift Group 4 years ago, has recently communicated his intent to retire midyear, And we're working on a orderly transition. Since joining Shift in 2019, Todd has been instrumental in laying the foundation progressing lean and operational excellence across the company, over the last several years, we have built out the depth of our operational experience Across our businesses, and we will look to these leaders to drive our continuous improvement journey going forward. I value Todd's insight and would like to wish him well in retirement. Speaker 200:15:46Operator, we are now ready for the Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:16:20Our first question today comes from Felix Boeschaine from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:16:27Hey, good morning, everybody. Good 1st of all, congrats on the upfit contract. I'm curious if we could talk about that. Just curious if you could maybe comment on the aggregate revenue impact of the 18,500 units? And also if you could comment on the timing, I know mid-twenty I'm just curious if it's going to be all wrapped up by the end of 2024? Speaker 300:16:54Yes, Felix. This is John. I think when we look at that contract, think about an upfit for us is mid single digit 1,000 of revenue. So you're talking North of $70,000,000 from that perspective, which is an exciting win for the team as we continue to support the customer And carry on the long relationship that we've had there. I think as we look at timing, we mentioned that it's across 2 different platforms, both the E Transit As well as the Ram ProMaster, those will be there's a bit of a sort of timing sequence from that perspective, but We expect to begin production mid year. Speaker 300:17:34There will be a portion of that, that does extend into 2024 though. But we're extremely excited about the win and the opportunity. Our team did a fantastic job being able to secure that. Speaker 400:17:45Okay, got it. That's helpful. And then just on the backlog, I know it stepped down a bit, but I just want Clarify, it does not yet include any of the EV preorders. And then just bigger picture, Just curious if you could talk about how you're thinking about opening those Blue Arc order books, just given the anticipated production start here? Speaker 300:18:11Yes. I think from a BlueArc perspective, I mean, we continue to see demand, as Daryl talked about in his comments, A high level of demand and interest from the customer base. We continue to work through building out the dealer network as well as working with Key customers and getting vehicles in their hands here, which we expect to do in the Q2. When you look at the backlog, to your point, it does not include The order that we have secured from or the committed order from Randy Marion that we previously discussed, Our intent here at this time is to really continue to report backlog from a Legacy business perspective. But as we look at BlueArc, really talk about vehicle commitments and a piece of that is really because it's tied to our overall production levels. Speaker 300:19:01And so we've talked previously about ramping the 3,000 units here by 2025. And so putting an order in there that's multi years from a dollar perspective, We don't necessarily need or want to artificially inflate the backlog and we think production It's actually a better representation of what future sales will look like versus a multiyear order. So again, vehicle we'll talk vehicle commitments And then continue to talk backlog in our legacy business. Speaker 400:19:31Got it. Understood. I appreciate the time. I'll pass it on. Speaker 100:19:35Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:19:38Our next question comes from Mike Schliske from D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:19:44Good morning and thanks for taking my question. I want to start off with a quick follow-up on the off the shelf 80,000 unit Order that we've been talking about so far on the call. Is that the kind of order where you take ownership Of the chassis like you had in previous large orders of this type or is it your typical update order where you are able to just build on top of an existing You never actually hit your balance sheet or P and L? Speaker 300:20:12Yes. No, great question, Mike. Good morning. This is a traditional upfit contract, where we're not taking possession of the chassis. It's just our content and labor that's going into these vehicles. Speaker 500:20:26Great. Outstanding. Your comments, Daryl, on FVS or the Firemile business being a mid to high single digit Industry growth rate for the foreseeable future. Is that roughly in line where you expect the actual FBS business to go Over a long period of time here or do you have other than BlueArk any kind of market share initiatives or other ways you can outgrow or perhaps underperform That growth rate here? Yes. Speaker 200:20:56Good question, Mike. So in the parcel delivery space, yes, we're comfortable with the mid- to high single digit number. I think what can accelerate the growth of FES would be the truck body business as we continue to see nice orders come in on that. And that's something that we jumped back into a couple of years ago and are seeing good Order intake and customers excited about our product. So longer term, I think that might add a little bit more to it to bump it up a percentage too So but the main driver as you know in FES is the mature business is the parcel delivery. Speaker 500:21:37Got it. Thanks for that. And then looking at Specialty Vehicles real quick, do you expect the good margins there to continue For the foreseeable future, given the strong environment for demand, can you give us some of the drivers there? Is it just volumes or Do you have some supply chain improvements you can point to as well on that segment? Speaker 300:22:00Yes. As we talked about in the We've seen 3 fantastic quarters in a row delivering north of 15%. I think as we look at that business The team has done a really nice job, particularly on the work truck side of the business, service bodies and the like, driving price as well as efficiencies in the Season the factories and so continue to see strong demand. I think and certainly we expect to continue to see momentum from that perspective. And like we said, the team has done a great job both commercially and operationally to position that business and continue to move it forward. Speaker 500:22:39Got it. I want to squeeze one last one in here if I could. The guidance being pretty much unchanged, it's still a pretty wide window Now that we're a third of the way through the year already, can you maybe just review the big questions you're ready to answer before you narrow that Guidance, either the low, high or middle of the range here? Speaker 300:23:03Yes. I mean, I think when you look at how we've guided the year on our last call, we about doing mid single digits in the Q1, which we just delivered. We talked about roughly 30% of the year in the first half, Which is still in line with our expectations. I think as we look to the second half of the year, we want to make sure that we understand what The demand side of things will look like before we solidify it. I think filling in our sales with With the off the shelf order that we talked about earlier, the upfit order, things like that. Speaker 300:23:40I think there's Different dynamics there from a lever perspective that would give us or put us in a position to narrow the guidance. Speaker 500:23:52Great. I appreciate the answers. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:55Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike. Thank you. Operator00:23:58Our next question comes from Greg Lewis from BTIG. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 600:24:03Hey, thank you and good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Daryl, I was hoping maybe for a little bit more color on those comments around the mix demand. I mean, you touched on it with Some of the existing fleet being squeezing out efficiency. Could you maybe talk about the opportunity for Shift as some of these companies, as some of your customers Kind of are in Speaker 700:24:31the process Speaker 600:24:32of basically trying to extract some more value out of some of their legacy vehicles? Speaker 200:24:40Yes. I think good question, Greg. I think it's maybe a little early to Put a pin in anything certain, but I think when you think about efficiencies, right, I mean, I'm sure you're reading the same articles we are, but Maybe if you look at it a different way, efficiency could also be maybe getting rid of some of their older vehicles and moving to more fuel efficient vehicles, Which we would have if they choose to do that we would have our velocity vehicle which gets double the The fuel efficiency of a typical walk in van in the cargo space is slightly smaller. So that's one option that our sales guys talk to them about. But I think it's too early. Speaker 200:25:23They're still trying to figure out, especially if you look at the FedEx to express to the FedEx Ground Articles that have been out in the press, right? They're just on the start of a new project called DRiV. So we are rest assured that we are Sitting in meetings with them, understanding that staying close and offering the products that we have to help them become more efficient. And we've been great partners in the past and expect it to continue. Speaker 600:25:49Okay, great. And then just real quick on the and we're going to keep the EV arc out of I'm sorry, we're going to keep the we're going to keep it out of the backlog, but as we think about that normalization of the backlog, Is there kind of how should we be thinking about that run rate of kind of normalized just so? Speaker 300:26:13Yes. I think when you look at where this business historically operated, it's in the 4 to 6 month range. And so as you look at Next 12 months revenue, historically, we would have had, call it, 45%, 50% of that in backlog. We're still north of 60% you look at our 2023 guidance and extend that. And so we would expect, as we've said consistently, to see that normalize here over the next couple of quarters. Speaker 300:26:42It's probably Q3, maybe later in Q3, Q4. But our view on where we are and our comfort with that hasn't Fairly changed. And so we expect to see that play itself out within the year. Speaker 600:26:58Okay, perfect. Thank you very much for the time. Speaker 200:27:01Thanks, Craig. Operator00:27:04Our next question comes from Steve Dyer from Craig Hallum. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 800:27:09Thanks. Good morning, guys. I may have missed this. The SB segment, Really fantastic margins better than they've been in a long time. Was there anything specific that drove that? Speaker 800:27:21Is that just mix within the segment? Or was there anything particular to call out? Speaker 300:27:26I think certainly a little bit of mix. We talked about some motor home softness in there, but I think really just strong performance within our service body And Board Truck Businesses, both from a pricing and growth perspective as well as just driving efficiencies in the factories? Speaker 800:27:45Got it. The 18,500 upfits, you've talked quite a bit about it. Is that a new customer? Is that just one Customer, any other color you can sort of give around that to frame that up? Speaker 300:27:59Yes. Single customer That we've been a partner with for decades. And so really a good opportunity for us as they look to replenish A legacy fleet for us to step in and provide upfitting content, which we've been doing over the last number of years. And so really just a continuation of that. Again, I think Daryl talked about both from a quality perspective as well as our ability To just deliver at high volumes, we think is a differentiator for us and we're happy with that business. Operator00:28:45Our next question comes from Matt Koranda from ROTH MKM. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 700:28:52Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 400:28:54Good morning, guys. Speaker 700:28:54Just wanted to ask a more pointed question on the Philosophy around guidance, I guess. No change to the range that you provided despite a pretty big up that when just curious if there's something specific that you can point to that That's that incremental revenue within 23% or is it just a more general tone of caution that you have toward the sort of the overall environment? Speaker 200:29:20Hey, Matt. This is Daryl. I think it's the latter that you brought up, right, is there's still a lot of moving parts. We're excited about the order. It's definitely going to help move the needle, but there's still some uncertainty that we continue to hear about. Speaker 200:29:36And I mentioned that to an earlier call. It's still early in the process of our traditional customers trying to figure out how they're going to become more efficient Or what actions you're going to take to be more efficient? So it's just still haven't cautious, still seeing some different Comments coming in from even different one, different customers recently in the news. So we're just being cautious on that. Speaker 700:30:02Okay, fair enough. And then just on the margin profile of the outfit business specifically, if I could I guess historically UPIT has been accretive to the margin profile of FAS. Should we expect Anything different on that front with this particular piece of business? Speaker 300:30:24No, not necessarily. I mean, I would say, As you look at the UPFIT business in general, it's a bit shorter cycle of the business. And so as you if the FES backlog is 4 to 6 months, it's typically on the shorter end of that. And so When we gave guidance back in February, we had assumed some level of upfit business for the year. This obviously filled that in. Speaker 300:30:45And so it's not I wouldn't view it as completely incremental. I think it sort of solidifies that upfit assumption. But again, it's a great opportunity It's for us and I think positions us well. Speaker 700:31:01Okay. Got it. And then curious on FES, where Should backlog normalize like either if you want to characterize it in the form of like quarters, months, however you want to characterize it, Would be curious to get your take on where FVS backlog should normalize over the next quarter or so. And then what does that mean for near term order flow? Speaker 300:31:25Yes, I mean, I think as you I mean, it'd be tough to pinpoint a number there just because given there's a number of variables. But I think, like we said, we expect it to normalize here over the next couple of months. I think if you look Really over the last four quarters or so, we've had modest orders in that business coming off that record high backlog. I think we expect that Continue here in the near term until it normalizes and then see some activity from that perspective. Speaker 700:31:55Okay, fair enough. And then just last one for me on Blue Arco. Just wanted to get a specific sort of some color, I guess, on an update with Customer testing, how that's going? Do you have vehicles now in the field? Maybe you could just speak specifically to how that's progressing? Speaker 200:32:14Yes, Matt. This is Daryl. Customers do not have the vehicles in their hands yet. We're still working through development testing. And the big Milestone that we have to achieve is the brake testing, which would give us ABS so that when customers have the vehicles, they're certified to be Safe and we expect that to happen later in this quarter. Speaker 700:32:39Okay, great. I'll jump back in queue, guys. Thank you. Speaker 300:32:42Great. Thank you. And Operator00:32:45ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Randy Wilson for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:32:55Thank you. And I'd like to Thank you everyone for participating in today's conference call and your interest in the Shift Group. Over the coming weeks, we'll be hosting 1 on 1 investor meetings at the Advanced Clean Transportation Expo in Anaheim And as well, the 20th Annual Craig Hallum Institutional Investor Conference in Minneapolis. With that, operator, please disconnect the call. Operator00:33:17Ladies and gentlemen, the call has now concluded. We thank you for joining. 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Email Address About The Shyft GroupThe Shyft Group (NASDAQ:SHYF) engages in the manufacture and assembly of specialty vehicles for the commercial and recreational vehicle industries in the United States and internationally. It operates in two segments, Fleet Vehicles and Services, and Specialty Vehicles. The Fleet Vehicles and Services segment offers commercial vehicles used in the e-commerce/last mile/parcel delivery, beverage and grocery delivery, laundry and linen, mobile retail, and trades and construction industries. This segment markets its commercial vehicles, including walk-in vans, cutaway vans, and truck bodies under the Aeromaster, Velocity, Trademaster, and Utilivan brands; and vocation-specific equipment upfit services under the Utilimaster Upfit Services and Strobes-R-Us brands. It also installs specialty interior and exterior up-fit equipment for walk-in vans, truck bodies, cargo vans, and light duty pick-up trucks; and provides aftermarket support, including parts sales and field services, as well as parts and accessories. The Specialty Vehicles segment provides diesel motor home chassis; and truck bodies under the Royal Truck Body and DuraMag brands. The segment also provides final assembly services for Isuzu N-gas and F-series chassis under the Builtmore Contract Manufacturing brand; and designs and installs custom lighting and upfit solutions for a range of specialty industries. In addition, this segment provides truck accessories under the Magnum brand; and a range of parts and accessories, and maintenance and repair services for its motorhome and specialty chassis. It sells its products to commercial users, original equipment manufacturers, dealers, individuals, municipalities, and other government entities. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to The Ship Group's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2022 Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in a listen only mode until the question and answer session of the conference call. As a reminder, the call is being recorded at the request of the shift group. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Operator00:00:22I'd now like to introduce Randy Wilson, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury of The Shift Group. Mr. Wilson, you may proceed. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you for joining this morning's call. I'm joined by Daryl Adams, President and Chief Executive Officer and John Doyer, Chief Financial Officer. Their prepared remarks will be followed by a question and answer session. For today's call, we have included a presentation deck that's been filed with the SEC and is also available on our website. Before we begin, Please turn to Slide 2 of the presentation for our Safe Harbor statement. Speaker 100:00:56Today's conference call contains forward looking statements, which are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied. Primary risks that management believes could materially affect our results are identified in our Forms 10 ks and 10 Q filed with the SEC. We will be discussing non GAAP information and performance measures we believe are useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. During today's call, we will provide a business update before moving on to a more detailed review of the results and our 2023 outlook. We will then open the line for Q and A. Speaker 100:01:35Please turn to Slide 3, and I'll turn it over to Daryl Adams. Speaker 200:01:39Thank you, Randy, and good morning, everyone. Overall, the Shift Group had a solid start to the year, delivered improved financial performance, while continuing to deliver on our strategy and long term growth initiatives. Our team achieved 18% sales growth, led by another record quarter in our service body business and improved performance in fleet vehicles and services. Our ability to increase output enabled us to improve profitability by over $11,000,000 versus the Q1 of last year. In addition, we delivered positive operating cash flow in the quarter and brought in nearly $34,000,000 more than prior year, which allowed us to efficiently deploy capital. Speaker 200:02:20We continued to make great progress on our BlueRock Electric Vehicle program in the quarter. We were very pleased to announce that not only did we achieve CARB and EPA certification for our Class 3, 4 and 5 EV delivery vehicles, But we did so with performance that more than exceeds our fleet customers' needs. The CARB test results for our Class 3 vehicle included a 225 mile city range and over a 200 mile combined city highway range, which can more than comfortably handle a daily delivery route. I would also like to take a moment to highlight a fantastic addition to the Shift Group As John Dunn joined the company in January as our Fleet Vehicle and Service President, he is a proven leader in manufacturing, customer relations and product development has made an immediate impact with our employees, customers and suppliers. Turning to Slide 4. Speaker 200:03:16Over the past 5 years, we have strategically moved the company toward last mile delivery and infrastructure focused specialty vehicles. We remain confident in these end markets and how the company is positioned to win over the long term. Consistent with our commentary in February, The market and macroeconomic environment remains dynamic. I will take you through how that looks by segment, starting with Fleet Vehicle and Services. We continue to analyze the parcel market, including performing independent market surveys, monitoring customer announcements and reviewing published industry reports. Speaker 200:03:51The consensus is clear. After an acceleration driven by the COVID pandemic and subsequent pause in e commerce penetration, the industry growth rate is expected to be in the mid to high single digit range for the foreseeable future, driven by the secular shift to e commerce. As a leader in this space, we are well positioned to benefit from this growth. As the operating environment unfolds in the near term, We continue to hear mixed feedback from our fleet operators, dealers and suppliers. While certain fleet operators are looking to accelerate fleet replacement, Others are still working to deploy vehicles from purchases made during COVID or working through efficiency actions given economic uncertainty. Speaker 200:04:37We remain close to our customers to support their fleet needs during this time, but remain cautious given these market signals. We remain flexible in our operations and will take the appropriate cost actions required to balance efficiency and growth. As we have previously communicated, the backlog in FES continues to normalize from the higher levels that we saw during COVID, driven by the improvement in production rates and supply chain. FES ended the quarter with a backlog of $585,000,000 which is still elevated compared to pre COVID levels. Moving to specialty vehicles. Speaker 200:05:13Continued investment in infrastructure Supported by federal government spending is bolstering demand for work trucks, with funding across end markets, including transportation, Power and grid enhancements and other critical infrastructure needs. As projects begin, contractors' fleet operators are investing in their fleet to meet demand. Sales of our work truck products were up 22% year over year, delivering above market growth and demonstrating strong customer demand. Turning to our Motorhome chassis business. We, like many others, have previously communicated overall softness in the RV market. Speaker 200:05:50While the Class A diesel segment is less cyclical, we have experienced declines as well. Our market share continues to remain strong And has been trending favorably, demonstrating the value of our product innovations and quality. Overall, the Shift Group continues to have industry leading brands that are well positioned to win in the markets we serve. We remain confident in our team's ability to execute in these dynamic times, deliver for our customers and achieve our long term financial targets. I'll now share some exciting developments underway in our FVS and SV businesses. Speaker 200:06:27Please turn to Slide 5. Starting with FVS highlights. As discussed earlier, we have seen certain delivery customers accelerate investment in fleet replenishment. We are excited to have been awarded a commercial off the shelf contract for over 18,000 cargo van upfits, Split between Ford E Transit and Ram ProMaster. We expect deliveries to begin in mid-twenty 23 and extend into 2024. Speaker 200:06:56This win demonstrates our position as a trusted industry partner and reflects our ability to deliver a highly Quality product at high volumes. Moving to our SV highlights. We have been successful in our service body geographic expansion And continue to execute our strategy of being a leading national provider. Consistent with this strategy, we recently announced the opening of our new Tennessee location, which will serve as a hub for upfitting Royal, DuraMag, Magnum and Strobe's products. This location provides direct access to 1 of the fastest growing regions in the country and enabled us To secure additional OEM chassis pools, which will help accelerate our growth in an already strong performing business. Speaker 200:07:43Turning to Slide 6. Speaker 100:07:46I will Speaker 200:07:46provide an update on our BlueArc EV development program. We made great progress in the Q1, and we are on track with our original development timeline, which has us starting vehicle production in the second half of the year. At the NTA Work Truck Show in March, we saw significant interest from customers, dealers and other industry partners. We also successfully hosted numerous future customers as part of our Ride and Drive. This positive response emphasizes that our BlueArc EVs are differentiated within the commercial electric vehicle industry, both for their design and the performance. Speaker 200:08:22In the Q1, the fact that we achieved CARB approval positions the previously discussed Pre order with Random Marion to a firm commitment. Their team remains excited about our progress and we continue to work with them on finalizing specifications for their first deliveries. We also made solid progress with our production facility and remain on track for manufacturing readiness. We continue to have positive momentum both operationally and commercially. In the coming months, we expect to deliver on key milestones, including Delivery of our first test units to key customers, expansion of our national dealer and service network and commencement of pilot and production vehicle builds. Speaker 200:09:07We are proud of the progress we have made and we have efficiently executed This program and look forward to providing updates on future calls. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John to discuss our Q1 financial results. Speaker 300:09:22Thank you, Daryl, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide 8, and I'll provide an overview of our financial results for the Q1. As we anticipated, our team performed well in this dynamic environment, delivering solid sales growth and significant improvement in profitability after a challenging start last year. Sales for the Q1 were $243,400,000 up 17.7% from the year ago quarter. The year over year improvement reflects strong service body and truck body performance and improved chassis supply in our walk in van and upfit product lines. Speaker 300:09:55Net income was $1,700,000 or $0.05 per share compared to a net loss of $3,900,000 or $0.11 per share in the previous year. We improved adjusted EBITDA to $10,800,000 or 4.4 percent of sales, up from a loss of $600,000 or negative 0.3 percent of sales in the Q1 of 2022. These results include EV spend of $8,500,000 up $4,100,000 from the prior year. Excluding EV spend, adjusted EBITDA was 7.9 percent of sales, up 6 10 basis points year over year. Adjusted net income improved to $4,300,000 compared to a loss of $2,100,000 in the year ago quarter, While adjusted EPS rose to $0.12 per share from a loss of $0.06 per share last year. Speaker 300:10:45I'll now walk through our 1st quarter results by operating segment beginning with Fleet Vehicles and Services on Slide 9. The team delivered improved performance year over year as we saw the benefits prior year truck body expansion efforts as well as higher production output driven by healthier chassis supply. While margins did significantly improve year over year, we do continue to experience inefficiencies as we work through the impact of supply chain challenges. FBS achieved sales of $159,400,000 up 41.5 percent compared to $112,700,000 a year ago. FBS adjusted EBITDA was $12,500,000 versus a loss of $900,000 a year ago. Speaker 300:11:28Adjusted EBITDA margin was 7.8 percent of sales compared to a loss of 0.8% of sales in the Q1 last year. Please turn to Slide 10 for the Specialty Vehicles' Q1 results. Our Specialty Vehicles business continues to perform well Despite the softness in the motorhome chassis business, the team delivered our 3rd consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin of more than 15%, driven by strong operating and commercial performance in our Work Truck businesses. 1st quarter sales were $87,200,000 a 7.4% decrease from $94,200,000 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA reflecting strong operational performance and the impact of improved price and mix. Speaker 300:12:24Please turn to Slide 11 for our 2023 outlook. We are pleased with our overall start to the year and the underlying performance in our business despite an uncertain operating environment. We delivered 1st quarter performance that was in line with our expectations. And as we look to the balance of the year, we are reaffirming our full year guidance. We remain cautious on demand in the broader economy And are taking appropriate actions to remain focused on both cost efficiency and growth. Speaker 300:12:52Our 2023 outlook is as follows: Sales to be in the range of $1,000,000,000 to $1,200,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of $70,000,000 to $100,000,000 representing 20% growth at the midpoint Adjusted EPS of $0.98 per share to $1.60 per share with shares outstanding of approximately $35,800,000 which includes the reduction in shares given recent And finally, free cash flow conversion as a percentage of net income expected to be greater than 100% as we drive down working capital. Please turn to the capital allocation slide on Slide 12. Overall, our balance sheet remains strong and we were able to maintain an overall net leverage ratio of 0.9 times, while investing in the business and returning capital to shareholders in the quarter. After delivering strong cash flow generation to end 2022, We generated $5,900,000 of operating cash in the Q1, demonstrating significant year over year improvement. Further progress on reducing working capital remains a key focus area for the company. Speaker 300:13:55Chip's organic investment priority is the development and launch of the BlueArc EV. As we ramp up production levels in the coming years, BlueArc is expected to be a significant earnings contributor and deliver favorable returns. We remain flexible in other capital deployment. And while we continue to evaluate M and A, we are also focused on returning capital to our shareholders when appropriate, as evidenced by the $10,700,000 deployed in the Q1 through repurchases and dividends. In closing, we are committed to generating cash flow maintaining a robust balance sheet to support strategic investments, future growth and efficient returns to shareholders. Speaker 300:14:35Now I'll turn the call back to Daryl for closing remarks. Speaker 200:14:38Thank you, John. Please turn to Slide 13. At the Shift Group, We have created a compelling industrial growth company. Our priorities start with a culture of customer focused innovation. We are driving operational excellence across the company and our financial strength allows us to invest in long term growth and deliver returns ahead of our peers. Speaker 200:14:58We have the right people and processes in place to execute our strategy. I am proud of the dedication and agility of our team members as they remain focused on delivering value for our customers and shareholders. I'd like to conclude today's call by announcing that Todd Heavann, our COO, who joined the Shift Group 4 years ago, has recently communicated his intent to retire midyear, And we're working on a orderly transition. Since joining Shift in 2019, Todd has been instrumental in laying the foundation progressing lean and operational excellence across the company, over the last several years, we have built out the depth of our operational experience Across our businesses, and we will look to these leaders to drive our continuous improvement journey going forward. I value Todd's insight and would like to wish him well in retirement. Speaker 200:15:46Operator, we are now ready for the Q and A portion of the call. Operator00:16:20Our first question today comes from Felix Boeschaine from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:16:27Hey, good morning, everybody. Good 1st of all, congrats on the upfit contract. I'm curious if we could talk about that. Just curious if you could maybe comment on the aggregate revenue impact of the 18,500 units? And also if you could comment on the timing, I know mid-twenty I'm just curious if it's going to be all wrapped up by the end of 2024? Speaker 300:16:54Yes, Felix. This is John. I think when we look at that contract, think about an upfit for us is mid single digit 1,000 of revenue. So you're talking North of $70,000,000 from that perspective, which is an exciting win for the team as we continue to support the customer And carry on the long relationship that we've had there. I think as we look at timing, we mentioned that it's across 2 different platforms, both the E Transit As well as the Ram ProMaster, those will be there's a bit of a sort of timing sequence from that perspective, but We expect to begin production mid year. Speaker 300:17:34There will be a portion of that, that does extend into 2024 though. But we're extremely excited about the win and the opportunity. Our team did a fantastic job being able to secure that. Speaker 400:17:45Okay, got it. That's helpful. And then just on the backlog, I know it stepped down a bit, but I just want Clarify, it does not yet include any of the EV preorders. And then just bigger picture, Just curious if you could talk about how you're thinking about opening those Blue Arc order books, just given the anticipated production start here? Speaker 300:18:11Yes. I think from a BlueArc perspective, I mean, we continue to see demand, as Daryl talked about in his comments, A high level of demand and interest from the customer base. We continue to work through building out the dealer network as well as working with Key customers and getting vehicles in their hands here, which we expect to do in the Q2. When you look at the backlog, to your point, it does not include The order that we have secured from or the committed order from Randy Marion that we previously discussed, Our intent here at this time is to really continue to report backlog from a Legacy business perspective. But as we look at BlueArc, really talk about vehicle commitments and a piece of that is really because it's tied to our overall production levels. Speaker 300:19:01And so we've talked previously about ramping the 3,000 units here by 2025. And so putting an order in there that's multi years from a dollar perspective, We don't necessarily need or want to artificially inflate the backlog and we think production It's actually a better representation of what future sales will look like versus a multiyear order. So again, vehicle we'll talk vehicle commitments And then continue to talk backlog in our legacy business. Speaker 400:19:31Got it. Understood. I appreciate the time. I'll pass it on. Speaker 100:19:35Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:19:38Our next question comes from Mike Schliske from D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 500:19:44Good morning and thanks for taking my question. I want to start off with a quick follow-up on the off the shelf 80,000 unit Order that we've been talking about so far on the call. Is that the kind of order where you take ownership Of the chassis like you had in previous large orders of this type or is it your typical update order where you are able to just build on top of an existing You never actually hit your balance sheet or P and L? Speaker 300:20:12Yes. No, great question, Mike. Good morning. This is a traditional upfit contract, where we're not taking possession of the chassis. It's just our content and labor that's going into these vehicles. Speaker 500:20:26Great. Outstanding. Your comments, Daryl, on FVS or the Firemile business being a mid to high single digit Industry growth rate for the foreseeable future. Is that roughly in line where you expect the actual FBS business to go Over a long period of time here or do you have other than BlueArk any kind of market share initiatives or other ways you can outgrow or perhaps underperform That growth rate here? Yes. Speaker 200:20:56Good question, Mike. So in the parcel delivery space, yes, we're comfortable with the mid- to high single digit number. I think what can accelerate the growth of FES would be the truck body business as we continue to see nice orders come in on that. And that's something that we jumped back into a couple of years ago and are seeing good Order intake and customers excited about our product. So longer term, I think that might add a little bit more to it to bump it up a percentage too So but the main driver as you know in FES is the mature business is the parcel delivery. Speaker 500:21:37Got it. Thanks for that. And then looking at Specialty Vehicles real quick, do you expect the good margins there to continue For the foreseeable future, given the strong environment for demand, can you give us some of the drivers there? Is it just volumes or Do you have some supply chain improvements you can point to as well on that segment? Speaker 300:22:00Yes. As we talked about in the We've seen 3 fantastic quarters in a row delivering north of 15%. I think as we look at that business The team has done a really nice job, particularly on the work truck side of the business, service bodies and the like, driving price as well as efficiencies in the Season the factories and so continue to see strong demand. I think and certainly we expect to continue to see momentum from that perspective. And like we said, the team has done a great job both commercially and operationally to position that business and continue to move it forward. Speaker 500:22:39Got it. I want to squeeze one last one in here if I could. The guidance being pretty much unchanged, it's still a pretty wide window Now that we're a third of the way through the year already, can you maybe just review the big questions you're ready to answer before you narrow that Guidance, either the low, high or middle of the range here? Speaker 300:23:03Yes. I mean, I think when you look at how we've guided the year on our last call, we about doing mid single digits in the Q1, which we just delivered. We talked about roughly 30% of the year in the first half, Which is still in line with our expectations. I think as we look to the second half of the year, we want to make sure that we understand what The demand side of things will look like before we solidify it. I think filling in our sales with With the off the shelf order that we talked about earlier, the upfit order, things like that. Speaker 300:23:40I think there's Different dynamics there from a lever perspective that would give us or put us in a position to narrow the guidance. Speaker 500:23:52Great. I appreciate the answers. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:55Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike. Thank you. Operator00:23:58Our next question comes from Greg Lewis from BTIG. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 600:24:03Hey, thank you and good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Daryl, I was hoping maybe for a little bit more color on those comments around the mix demand. I mean, you touched on it with Some of the existing fleet being squeezing out efficiency. Could you maybe talk about the opportunity for Shift as some of these companies, as some of your customers Kind of are in Speaker 700:24:31the process Speaker 600:24:32of basically trying to extract some more value out of some of their legacy vehicles? Speaker 200:24:40Yes. I think good question, Greg. I think it's maybe a little early to Put a pin in anything certain, but I think when you think about efficiencies, right, I mean, I'm sure you're reading the same articles we are, but Maybe if you look at it a different way, efficiency could also be maybe getting rid of some of their older vehicles and moving to more fuel efficient vehicles, Which we would have if they choose to do that we would have our velocity vehicle which gets double the The fuel efficiency of a typical walk in van in the cargo space is slightly smaller. So that's one option that our sales guys talk to them about. But I think it's too early. Speaker 200:25:23They're still trying to figure out, especially if you look at the FedEx to express to the FedEx Ground Articles that have been out in the press, right? They're just on the start of a new project called DRiV. So we are rest assured that we are Sitting in meetings with them, understanding that staying close and offering the products that we have to help them become more efficient. And we've been great partners in the past and expect it to continue. Speaker 600:25:49Okay, great. And then just real quick on the and we're going to keep the EV arc out of I'm sorry, we're going to keep the we're going to keep it out of the backlog, but as we think about that normalization of the backlog, Is there kind of how should we be thinking about that run rate of kind of normalized just so? Speaker 300:26:13Yes. I think when you look at where this business historically operated, it's in the 4 to 6 month range. And so as you look at Next 12 months revenue, historically, we would have had, call it, 45%, 50% of that in backlog. We're still north of 60% you look at our 2023 guidance and extend that. And so we would expect, as we've said consistently, to see that normalize here over the next couple of quarters. Speaker 300:26:42It's probably Q3, maybe later in Q3, Q4. But our view on where we are and our comfort with that hasn't Fairly changed. And so we expect to see that play itself out within the year. Speaker 600:26:58Okay, perfect. Thank you very much for the time. Speaker 200:27:01Thanks, Craig. Operator00:27:04Our next question comes from Steve Dyer from Craig Hallum. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 800:27:09Thanks. Good morning, guys. I may have missed this. The SB segment, Really fantastic margins better than they've been in a long time. Was there anything specific that drove that? Speaker 800:27:21Is that just mix within the segment? Or was there anything particular to call out? Speaker 300:27:26I think certainly a little bit of mix. We talked about some motor home softness in there, but I think really just strong performance within our service body And Board Truck Businesses, both from a pricing and growth perspective as well as just driving efficiencies in the factories? Speaker 800:27:45Got it. The 18,500 upfits, you've talked quite a bit about it. Is that a new customer? Is that just one Customer, any other color you can sort of give around that to frame that up? Speaker 300:27:59Yes. Single customer That we've been a partner with for decades. And so really a good opportunity for us as they look to replenish A legacy fleet for us to step in and provide upfitting content, which we've been doing over the last number of years. And so really just a continuation of that. Again, I think Daryl talked about both from a quality perspective as well as our ability To just deliver at high volumes, we think is a differentiator for us and we're happy with that business. Operator00:28:45Our next question comes from Matt Koranda from ROTH MKM. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 700:28:52Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 400:28:54Good morning, guys. Speaker 700:28:54Just wanted to ask a more pointed question on the Philosophy around guidance, I guess. No change to the range that you provided despite a pretty big up that when just curious if there's something specific that you can point to that That's that incremental revenue within 23% or is it just a more general tone of caution that you have toward the sort of the overall environment? Speaker 200:29:20Hey, Matt. This is Daryl. I think it's the latter that you brought up, right, is there's still a lot of moving parts. We're excited about the order. It's definitely going to help move the needle, but there's still some uncertainty that we continue to hear about. Speaker 200:29:36And I mentioned that to an earlier call. It's still early in the process of our traditional customers trying to figure out how they're going to become more efficient Or what actions you're going to take to be more efficient? So it's just still haven't cautious, still seeing some different Comments coming in from even different one, different customers recently in the news. So we're just being cautious on that. Speaker 700:30:02Okay, fair enough. And then just on the margin profile of the outfit business specifically, if I could I guess historically UPIT has been accretive to the margin profile of FAS. Should we expect Anything different on that front with this particular piece of business? Speaker 300:30:24No, not necessarily. I mean, I would say, As you look at the UPFIT business in general, it's a bit shorter cycle of the business. And so as you if the FES backlog is 4 to 6 months, it's typically on the shorter end of that. And so When we gave guidance back in February, we had assumed some level of upfit business for the year. This obviously filled that in. Speaker 300:30:45And so it's not I wouldn't view it as completely incremental. I think it sort of solidifies that upfit assumption. But again, it's a great opportunity It's for us and I think positions us well. Speaker 700:31:01Okay. Got it. And then curious on FES, where Should backlog normalize like either if you want to characterize it in the form of like quarters, months, however you want to characterize it, Would be curious to get your take on where FVS backlog should normalize over the next quarter or so. And then what does that mean for near term order flow? Speaker 300:31:25Yes, I mean, I think as you I mean, it'd be tough to pinpoint a number there just because given there's a number of variables. But I think, like we said, we expect it to normalize here over the next couple of months. I think if you look Really over the last four quarters or so, we've had modest orders in that business coming off that record high backlog. I think we expect that Continue here in the near term until it normalizes and then see some activity from that perspective. Speaker 700:31:55Okay, fair enough. And then just last one for me on Blue Arco. Just wanted to get a specific sort of some color, I guess, on an update with Customer testing, how that's going? Do you have vehicles now in the field? Maybe you could just speak specifically to how that's progressing? Speaker 200:32:14Yes, Matt. This is Daryl. Customers do not have the vehicles in their hands yet. We're still working through development testing. And the big Milestone that we have to achieve is the brake testing, which would give us ABS so that when customers have the vehicles, they're certified to be Safe and we expect that to happen later in this quarter. Speaker 700:32:39Okay, great. I'll jump back in queue, guys. Thank you. Speaker 300:32:42Great. Thank you. And Operator00:32:45ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Randy Wilson for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:32:55Thank you. And I'd like to Thank you everyone for participating in today's conference call and your interest in the Shift Group. Over the coming weeks, we'll be hosting 1 on 1 investor meetings at the Advanced Clean Transportation Expo in Anaheim And as well, the 20th Annual Craig Hallum Institutional Investor Conference in Minneapolis. With that, operator, please disconnect the call. Operator00:33:17Ladies and gentlemen, the call has now concluded. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by