ICL Group Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 10, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the ICL Analyst Conference Call. Our presentation today will be followed by a question and answer I must advise you that this call is being recorded today. I'd like to hand the call over to our first speaker today, Peggy Reilly Tharp, Vice President of Global Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Hello, everyone. I'm Peggy Reilly Tharp, Vice President of Global Investor Relations. I'd like to welcome you and thank you for joining us today for our quarterly earnings call. The event is being webcast live on our website at icl group.com.

Speaker 1

Earlier today, we filed our reports with the securities authorities and the stock exchanges in the U. S. And in Israel. Those reports as well as the press release are available on our website. There will be a replay of the webcast available after the meeting and a transcript will be available shortly thereafter.

Speaker 1

The presentation, which will be reviewed today, was also filed with the securities authorities and is available on our website. Please be sure to review the disclaimer on Slide 2. Our comments today will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are not guarantees of future performance. The company undertakes no obligation to update any financial information We will begin with a presentation by our CEO, Mr.

Speaker 1

Raviv Zoller followed by Mr. Aviara Mohave, our CFO. Following the presentation, we will open the line to Q and A session. Raveed, please.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Peggy, and welcome, everyone. Earlier today, we announced once again solid first quarter results and our brief overview starts on Slide 3. Sales for the quarter were $2,100,000,000 down 17% versus the sales we reported at this time last year, which were significantly influenced by sanctions on Belarus and the global reaction to the Ukraine war. In addition to an expected reduction in pricing this year, We also saw the shipment of approximately 100,000 metric tons of potash to India shift to the 2nd quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the first Quarter was $610,000,000 also down year over year as prices have moderated considerably over the past 12 months.

Speaker 2

Like others in our space and business and other industries and end markets, we continue to work through high cost inventories in the Q1. This destocking began towards the end of last year and we expect it to continue through the Q2. As such, we also implemented cost efficiencies through our supply chain and are targeting additional initiatives during this year. Once again, general and administrative costs were down year over year. Despite the pullback from peak commodity prices in 2022, we maintained our focus on consistent cash generation and delivered operating cash flow in the Q1 of $382,000,000 and free cash flow of $220,000,000 both new first quarter records.

Speaker 2

After the quarter ended, we announced a new $1,550,000,000 sustainability linked credit facility and Abiram will talk more about that in a few minutes. In the Q1, we also returned value to shareholders as we reported adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.23 and declared a quarterly dividend of $0.11 per share. Last year, iCL benefited from higher prices, which drove a significant increase in cash Even after we made necessary investments in operations, settlement of tax and other disputes from the past and pay our dividend representing 50% of net income. We believe ICL offers investors the best of both worlds. Our outstanding commodity assets combined with our varied and balanced specialties products to provide exposure to diversified end markets across our broad global footprint.

Speaker 2

Through our growing solutions, Phosphate Specialties and Industrial Products businesses, we provide the resources to feed and protect the world And with expansion to battery materials for the electric vehicle and energy storage markets, we will now be powering the world as well. It is this combination of complementary businesses which help us reach our long term strategic goals and we will continue to leverage opportunities such as those created by geopolitical developments, global sustainability challenges and the current capital markets backdrop to enhance long term value creation. Let's turn to a 3 year look at some of our key metrics on Slide 4. Again, while sales were down year over year as expected, They were up significantly over the Q1 of 2021 and we anticipate the remainder of this year will progress at this more normalized growth trend with greater gains to be made in the second half. Adjusted EBITDA was down versus last year, but more than double the Q1 of 2021 And this included nice growth from our specialties businesses.

Speaker 2

For the quarter, EBITDA margin came in at 29%. On Slide 5, you can see that our Specialty sales followed a similar trend as our consolidated results. As Expected, Specialty's EBITDA was also lower versus last year as we reduced the amount of high priced inventory in stock and remained disciplined in our flame retardants business. We expect this will be repeated in the next quarter as the destocking of supply chain continues with margins expected to return to an standing trajectory in the second half of the year end viewing. Finally, as I just mentioned, we saw year over year growth in free cash flow and a significant increase versus for the Q1 of 2021.

Speaker 2

We are pleased with this improvement as we continue to execute in line with our planned specialties growth projections. Similarly, our adjusted diluted earnings per share was more than double what we reported in 2021. I would now like to begin our segment review With Industrial Products on Slide 6. 1st quarter sales were $361,000,000 while EBITDA was $105,000,000 as demand for flame retardants was lower year over year. The weakness in electronics, which had accelerated in the latter part of last year continued into this year as We believe this trend will continue for the near term with market conditions expected to begin improving in the second half of the year.

Speaker 2

Over the long term, demand for Flaming Gardens is expected to keep pace with the natural electronics replacement cycle and accelerate due to the continued growth in electric vehicles and Energy Storage Solutions. The building and construction end markets also remained softer in the Q1 as higher interest rates persisted on a global basis. However, home buyers are gradually adapting to higher mortgage rates and inflation while still elevated seems to be cooling. One of the benefits of serving a variety of end markets is that they each have different characteristics. As you recall in 2020 during the height of COVID, Demand for flame retardants used in consumer electronics skyrocketed, while our clear brine fluids business suffered significantly.

Speaker 2

Today, demand from the oil and gas industry is very strong and I would specifically like to call out the increase we have seen in sales to the Middle East since the signing of the Abraham Accords. We also continue to serve an array of industries through our specialties minerals business, where we delivered record quarterly results. Turning to Slide 7 in our phosphate solutions division, where we reported sales and EBITDA of $714,000,000 and $170,000,000 respectively. For the quarter, phosphate specialty's results were ahead of session and represented 60% of sales and approximately 50% of EBITDA. Demand from our global customers in the food industry However, industrial demand was softer as this business saw some challenges in building infrastructure.

Speaker 2

In particular, Europe remained challenging for both our specialty food and industrial offerings as economic worries lingered and competition from China intensified. Despite these challenges, phosphate specialties delivered record Q1 free cash flow even as we battled force majeure at a major supplier, which resulted in higher costs for some of our raw materials. Finally, our investment in St. Louis To develop a cathode active materials plant for high quality LFP batteries remains on track and groundbreaking is expected later this year. In addition to finalizing our selection for general contractor and other key items, we have been actively negotiating directly with automakers, OEMs and other potential partners about future strategic engagements to achieve our long term plan.

Speaker 2

This expansion into battery materials built on our existing strong upstream positions in And helps us develop a significant new growth platform. The time is right to make this move And our vision and ambition are backed by highly attractive markets and a solid plan on how to seize 1st mover advantage and win in the LFP cathode active materials market in North America and Europe. On Slide 8, you will see our potash results where sales were $583,000,000 and EBITDA came in at nearly $300,000,000 Our potash products per ton was $5.41 down from $6.42 in the Q1 of last year, but elevated versus historical levels. Production was in line with last year as we completed our annual maintenance shutdown at the Dead Sea in March again this year. However, deliveries were down mainly due to an unexpected delay in the India contract settlement.

Speaker 2

During the Q1, we also successfully completed the ceiling project for the feeder canal at the Dead Sea, which had created some concerns for us in 2022. Tragically, we had a fatal accident at the Cabanassas mine in Spain. This happened in the beginning of March. As you know, safety is our top priority and we put in place extraordinary safety measures before we gradually ramp operations back up. We estimate that the resulting production loss was approximately RMB 30,000.

Speaker 2

Turning to Slide 9, in our growing solutions business, which delivered Q1 sales of $564,000,000 in line with the Q1 of last year And in spite of the slow start to the spring season in both Europe and North America, for the quarter EBITDA of $45,000,000 impacted by high priced inventory and high priced raw materials across the supply chain. While we actively worked to prudently reduce inventory in the Q1. This process has continued into the Q2. We are also looking at creating new efficiencies, maximizing operations and developing innovative new products. This included the shutdown of our Summerville, South Carolina production facility earlier this year, which came after we completed a review of ways to optimize production and improve our cost structure in North America.

Speaker 2

Across the Atlantic, our Bovi Volusulfate mine in the UK delivered record quarterly production of nearly 260,000 metric tons. In addition to this achievement, our fertilizer plus products, which are based on organic polysulfate, saw higher pricing in the quarter, as did some of our other promising new products launched in recent months. I would now like to draw your attention to Slide 10 and a quick review of how 2023 is shaping up. For our Industrial Products business, we expect to see improvement beginning in the second half of the year, Following destocking of the supply chain combined with the recovery of the Chinese economy and new momentum in electric vehicle deliveries. For our phosphate business, we remain focused on multiple long term battery material solutions, including our LFP expansion in St.

Speaker 2

Louis. We remain extremely enthusiastic about the opportunities in this new sustainable market and continue to see it as a significant part of our long term strategic growth. In our potash business, we expect to see an increase in production and quantities sold as global stocks to use ratios remain low And farmer affordability remains above average. And Aviram will talk more about the macro trends in a few minutes. These trends will also benefit our growing solutions business, where we plan to continue introducing new innovative and more importantly sustainable solutions like our Keep Green Biofertilizer in Brazil in our EcoX control release fertilizer in Europe.

Speaker 2

Finally, for the Q1, I would like to note it was our 2nd highest ever Growth strategy as we progress through 2020. As I do every quarter, I want to thank the entire ICL family of employees all around the world for their hard work and contributions. Making progress against our long term goals would not be possible without our dedicated team And I'm pleased to share that ICL was recently named one of the best companies to work for by BDI, the largest business information group in Israel. We ranked 1st among all companies in the industrial sector and second among top 35 companies traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. We also made an impressive improvement overall moving up to 14th place from 21st place last year and even more impressively up from 84th place just 5 years ago.

Speaker 2

I would now like to turn the call over to Aviram.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Aviv, and to all of you for joining us today. Let us get started on Slide 12. While the world is in a different place than it was a year ago, There are still a number of macro factors impacting ICL, our customers and suppliers. While inflation is declining, it is still a concern Some end market consumers will need to make decisions about what purchases to prioritize. However, as our phosphate specialty sales show, Food remains resilient on a global basis.

Speaker 3

For our industrial end markets customers in the building and construction businesses, Elevated interest rates continue to pressure on buyers. However, global monetary policies remain dynamic. China appears to be rebounding faster than anticipated. As the 2nd largest economy in the world, a more rapid recovery When it comes to currencies, the U. S.

Speaker 3

Dollar is softening from the peaks it hit last year. While this is true for some currencies, We see crop prices remain elevated, while farmer affordability continues to improve as fertilizer prices have come down. While overall raw material prices are declining, for fertilizers and many of our other products, high priced inventory remains in the market. This is not unique to ICL and many in our industries and businesses and other industries and end markets are in the same position. As Raveed already discussed, this destocking began toward the end of last year, and we continued to work through high cost inventories in the Q1, with these efforts expected to extend through the Q2.

Speaker 3

On Slide 13, You can see some of the trends I just discussed with inflation rates generally trending down globally, while interest rates remain persistently elevated. In the Q1, China's economy grew 4.5%, the fastest pace the country has seen in the past year, as it looks like They are recovering from their emergence out of COVID restrictions. Turning to Slide 14, where we have a collection of key agricultural metrics. As you can see, commodity crop and fertilizer prices stabilized in the Q1, resulting in an improvement in farmer sentiment from both the Q1 of last year and the start of this year. Moving from the world of agriculture to the world of energy on Slide 15, where you can see data we first introduced at our Investor Day last October.

Speaker 3

Since that time, there has already been an increase in the forecast for electric vehicle adoption as countries around the world have implemented new environmental standards for cars and trucks with subsidies to help ease the transition for consumers. Automakers have responded with BMW, Ford, Stellantis and Volkswagen All pledging to have 50% of their production based on electrification by 2,030, while GM and Honda I set goals to be 100 percent electric by 2,035 and 2,040 respectively. There is real muscle behind these efforts. As Raveed already discussed, We are excited to be entering the battery materials market at this opportune time. If you will now turn to Slide On the left side, you can see the sales bridge from the Q1 of last year to this year.

Speaker 3

On Industrial Products, we saw slower flame retardant sales. And as Raviv discussed, we saw 100,000 metric tons of quota shipments to India shift from the Q1 to the Q2. On the right side of the slide, you can see the breakout by quantity, some of which will be shifting to the Q2 and also price. Potash accounts for over 100 percent of the negative price effect on EBITDA year over year. And together with fair retardants for most of the negative quantity effect on sales and EBITDA.

Speaker 3

Turning to Slide 17 Our adjusted EBITDA, which was $610,000,000 down year over year, but more than double our EBITDA in the Q1 of 2021. As the market leader in bromine, our industrial products business took a disciplined approach in the Q1 and this will continue into the Q2 In anticipation that long term contract customers will increase orders in the second half of the year, I would now like To review a few highlights on Slide 18, at quarter end, our net debt to EBITDA ratio was at 0.5 As Ravi already mentioned, in the Q1, we delivered record operating and free cash flow of $382,000,000 $220,000,000 respectively, which brings us to Slide 19 and our Q1 dividend of approximately $146,000,000 or $0.11 per share, bringing our dividend yield for the past 4 quarters to 9.2%. After the Q1 ended, we announced that we had entered into a $1,550,000,000 Sustainability linked revolving credit facility agreement, this 5 year facility replaced our existing $1,000,000,000 credit facility with similar financial terms. We are pleased to expand on our commitment to sustainability by enhancing this facility to include targeted and specific sustainability metrics and milestones across 3 key performance indicators, which will be designed to align with ICL's sustainability strategy and goals.

Speaker 3

This new facility We provide us with enhanced financial flexibility as we continue to invest in our business and target new opportunities, both internally and externally, while continuing to expand and innovate. As Raviv discussed, we are making the most of our cash generation,

Speaker 4

which has

Speaker 3

continued from 2022 into 2023. Finally, on Slide 20, we are regenerating Our 2023 guidance calling of adjusted EBITDA of between $2,200,000,000 $2,400,000,000 in total and for our specialties businesses to contribute approximately $1,100,000,000 of debt amount. And with that, operator, we can begin the Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question today comes from the line of Alexander Jones from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks very much for taking my questions. 2, if I can. The first, just On the guidance that you mentioned, if I take the specialties EBITDA you did in Q1, which I think is just around €235,000,000 And multiply by 4, very simplistically, I get to less than €1,000,000,000 And obviously, Q4 is usually smaller. So it'd be great to get an idea of what gives you confidence in the €1,100,000,000 You're going towards anything you're seeing already in terms of the inventories that you're going to be selling in 3, 6 months' time being lower priced or The order book in China improving, which is more about what you expect to happen in terms of the order book improving in the second half of the year.

Speaker 5

And then the second question on capital allocation. Last quarter, we talked about a possible buyback, which you said at the time you were discussing and would revert to the market with A decision either way by Q1 results. So now we're here, it'd be great to hear an update and what your reasoning was So I'm not proceeding if that is the decision. Thank you.

Speaker 6

All right. Thanks, Alex. So I'll start with Specialties guidance, our plan for the year assumes assumed and continues to assume That in 2 of our divisions, in Industrial Products and in Growing Solutions, the first half of the year We'll be softer than the second half of the year. In fact, we mentioned in the past that we expect To get back to 2021 numbers this year in both those divisions, but the way that the year is Expected to progress is that we'll be less than those levels in the first half of the year and then higher in the second half of the year. In terms of on phosphate specialties, we'll be more straight line for the year.

Speaker 6

So we don't expect A big change there. So that's where the that's where our assumptions are, and we don't see any significant evidence that things should behave differently. We have been disciplined in our bromine business. So If you look year over year, actually, our prices went up, which means that We preferred value over volume and behave disciplined, and this is something that we expected. It's in our control.

Speaker 6

So that's on the specialties side. Yes, you want

Speaker 4

to add something? Sorry. Hi, Alex. On top of what Aviv just explained to us, I want to reiterate the issue of the inventory. So basically, we are working through like much and much of the industry and I guess other industries as well From a high cost inventory.

Speaker 4

That obviously is a result of purchases and production of last year. And when we look inside, we see that in all three specialty businesses, on the agricultural side, The IP side and to a lesser extent, but to understand on the phosphate side, a replacement cost for inventory would be lower. Now this is impact it has impacted our Q1. It's one, if you look at the waterfall, the high cost inventory is a part of why we came to €610,000,000 of EBITDA and not beyond that. And our assumption knowledge Is that as the year progresses, this will have a lesser impact, and therefore, that's another contributing factor to the EBITDA of the specialties as we go along further into the year.

Speaker 4

We'll take the 2, and I think you can paint for now the picture what we're talking about.

Speaker 6

Both raw material costs, transportation costs and energy costs are going down. On the second issue, I'm glad that you asked because I promise to get back to shareholders, and if you hadn't asked, I would have provided the information anyway. We had a constructive discussion at the Board level about returning additional Returns to shareholders. And the general consensus is that we're happy with our policy of 50% dividend, which ended up at the $1,100,000,000 of return to shareholders last year, and we continue to return 50%. And in the long run, we think that The return that we're providing on a normalized basis is appropriate.

Speaker 6

There was also an Understanding that when returns are abnormal and definitely 2022 and to an extent 2023 Our higher than normal profitability years, and so there is an additional return to shareholders, but at the same time, there have been developments in the last few months. And one main development is that, as you know, we're moving into the cathode material business, And new significant opportunities have opened up for us, opportunities we're very, very excited about, which will also require larger deployments of capital because to begin with, we're setting up The first cathode material plant in the U. S. In St. Louis, but given the Negotiations we have with potential customers and partners, it looks like we're going to be moving faster, more aggressively because of the opportunities that have opened up to us.

Speaker 6

And therefore, Before we conclude on capital allocation, we're going to have additional discussion based on New data that management is going to provide regarding what our ultimate needs are going to be in the next 12 to 24 months. So in short, there's not there isn't an expectation that we will change the Long term policy in terms of returns to shareholders, but at the same time, there is View regarding special distributions based on abnormal profitability. And since At the current timing, it's all about what are the alternative uses for cash for capital. That's where we are. We're going to look at some additional data.

Speaker 6

We also presented Data regarding what some of our competitors did and the consensus was that We went back to decisions we made a year ago, and buying back at Peak share prices is not turning out to be proper allocation of capital, and We are feeling that we made the right decision last year. We had better use of capital, And we hope and we're sure that we'll make the right choices once all the data is available. And again, there are some moving parts, Some very, very fast developments and opportunities we have due to partnership Discussions that we're having with the leading automakers and OEMs, there is a lot of demand for what we are going to do. And so let's look at it as good news because of the potential growth of the company. We're a value company and Turning into a growth company and getting back to the specialties question, this is a big way to grow specialties.

Speaker 6

We view a very significant opportunity Around electric vehicles, we view the opportunity as up to $4,000,000,000 in Revenue and up to $1,000,000,000 in EBITDA at 2,030 levels. So To achieve those levels, investments are needed and a lot of other factors come in and that's our first priority, creating as

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mubasher with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. I hope you can hear me. Just a couple of questions, please. First one is on the volume development in Industrial Products. You're talking quite positively about the second half.

Speaker 7

Just wanted to kind of gauge Where that confidence comes from and if that's or I assume that's the dominantly market Driven in terms of recovery, just trying to understand what gives you the confidence that there will be such a stark recovery in the second half given Nearly 30% volume decline in the Q1. I know the comps get a little bit easier, but still just some comments around that would be helpful. And then just some thoughts around the comments you just made on the cathode material side. I think you talked about highlighting what the CapEx needs could be. I assume this is still within the framework of the CHF400 1,000,000 You've been previously announced?

Speaker 7

Or is it just more timing in the sense that you're going to spend that money quicker than previously anticipated? And just on that project, are you able to highlight anything around returns for that project? Or If you already contracted out volumes and you've kind of got firm sales or firm take or pace on the Production from that plant. Thank you.

Speaker 6

All right, thanks. So let's start with the flame retard market. Mind you that about 70% of our business is contracted for long term. So we don't we're not that worried about market share. So in an environment where there's hardly any spot activity, And that was the case in recent months.

Speaker 6

We're not running after business and trying to endanger our long term value over volume business. What is transpiring here There is a cyclical situation, and we've been through quite a lot of cycles. Last time the market was in this place was During COVID, in the beginning of COVID, and typically, these kinds of cycles take 3 or 4 quarters, And that's where we are. We are quite a few months into the cycle. The reason we're confident About recovery is that ultimately, there is there are purchases of The television sets and PCs and definitely electric vehicles, where even though In the short term, maybe because subsidies were halted in China and there was Some issues in the supply chain, the long term trend is definitely significant growth of electric vehicles.

Speaker 6

We're confident that the long term growth of electric vehicles and the cyclical nature of consumer purchases It's going to bring back the demand. We also see the destocking. We're very much aware Of the data regarding destocking in these products, we're in good touch with our customers and we know where they're at. And it's not to say that we have an exact date on when exactly the change is going to come, but we have a very good idea about it. And of course, we could be surprised, but we're not going to be surprised in a major way.

Speaker 6

So that's on Flame retardants, and just to give you an idea, most of the volume growth volume loss, If you will, inflamed retardants was around electronics. It was about $80,000,000 in the quarter. Again, we didn't have to lose that volume. We actually did less business and at higher prices, But we didn't participate in the spot market and we didn't lose market share. We didn't lose any customers.

Speaker 6

We don't expect to lose customers. Our long term contracts provide for security around volumes, but at the same time, given the market, we're not Pushing our customers to take more volume than they need, and they don't need a lot at this point. And we expect that later this year, They will purchase the volumes that they need to purchase according to the agreements. Getting back to Capital material, yes, we announced a $400,000,000 investment, out of which $200,000,000 will be a DOE grant. But what we're talking about now is more than that.

Speaker 6

We're going to need more than 30,000 tons in one plant. So that means that in terms of investments, we're talking about more than one plant and maybe more than 2 plants. I don't want to I mean, I want to be very careful about what I say and the information that It's going to be available in the coming months. It's not going to be a long time until we can go public with it. The type of business that we're talking about is basically offtake agreements.

Speaker 6

So when we build a plant, we have A customer for the plant, some customers would prefer 100%. We prefer 80% or 90% because we want to be able to serve more than one customer. So That's also part of the partnership arrangement. And like I said, once we have the information that we can provide, We will provide and it's not a timing issue because we know the timing. We're going to invest the $400,000,000 by 2025 And the additional production capacity is not going to come after 2025, it's going to come in parallel.

Speaker 6

We have the land available, we have the permits available, we have the renewable energy available, we have the Passion to be number 1 in the U. S. Market. And there's a window of opportunity. In order to be number 1, we have to move fast and be very decisive about it, and that's what we intend to do.

Speaker 6

I hope that answers.

Speaker 7

Very helpful. Thank you, Philip. Thanks,

Operator

In order to ask a question, please raise your hand using your mobile or desktop application and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question today comes from the line of Ben Theurer from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

All right. I hope this works perfect. Good afternoon to you and thank you very much for taking my question. Two quick ones. So the first, if we kind of look at the guidance you've reaffirmed and there were certain signs during the quarter where you've actually Held up relatively well, particularly on potash, but also to a degree on phosphate.

Speaker 8

And we've talked a little bit about the cadence. But I wanted to See, if you can give us a little bit the scenarios upside downside case as to the higher end of your guidance range versus The lower end of the guidance range, where you see the risks and opportunities within your outlook currently? And then I have a quick

Speaker 6

All right. So first of all, not everything went perfect. One big and thanks for your question, Ben, I forgot to say. First of all, on potash, we were expecting the India contract To be concluded at the end of February or beginning of March, and we're expecting it to be concluded at 4:50. That creates a little bit of change in our view, but not really significant because The India contract is 4.22, but at the same time, transportation costs went down and also Change rates work in our favor, so that's a very small change.

Speaker 6

At the same time, we also delivered 100,000 tons Less than we expected in the Q1 because of the last minute delay in the India contract, we deferred 100,000 tons to Q2. So that also changed the way we performed in the quarter versus what we expected. And also on growing solutions, Our numbers came in a few $1,000,000 less than we expected. Again, Ron talked about the inventory issue. We thought it would be a little better.

Speaker 6

So our Q1 is Almost on budget, not entirely 100%. In terms of what the scenario could be, We think that potash prices are pretty stable right now around the U. S. Europe, of course, prices are going down slowly and surely, but they're still way above other markets. And in India, of course, they're stable.

Speaker 6

There's still some downside risk from China and Brazil, and I'll explain in a minute. So we took into account certain flexibility in what can In the second half of the year, especially in the Q4. And I'll get back to the explanation on the market. In Brazil, it's like 2 different markets now. CampusX, K Plus S, ICL are in some places selling at lower prices, and we're not sure how that will play out.

Speaker 6

It won't have a large effect on us Because we've sold most of our product for Brazil this year, so there's not a lot outstanding. But as a spot market, it could affect Other markets. Then another thing that has that still needs to be seen has to do with the China and In Asia market, there is no China price. We didn't expect a China price before the end of the second quarter. At the same time, it's not clear when there will be a price and if there will be a price.

Speaker 6

So What happens in China could also have an effect on us. So I would say that out of the range, there's At least a significant part of the range that has to do with what will happen with Chinese prices because we still have a few 100,000 tons to sell to China this year. And the other less significant part of the range has to do with When does the change on part of our specialties come? How later how late In the second half of the year, the recovery happens, and we think we can identify the range. But of course, It's not exact science, so there's some uncertainty there.

Speaker 6

So I would say in general, Prices in China and Asia for potash in the latter part of the year and specialty recovery in in the second half of the year. Those are the things that we knew from the outset would be there and they're still there. It hasn't changed since the beginning of the year and our original guidance. Hope that helps. Yes, That helps, Sims.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Dan,

Speaker 4

this is Abiram. I think these are the main factors that were obviously articulated by Raviv. I'd like to draw your attention that also China is a market. We are also a manufacturer in China. It seems that we are on track, And that's what we factor in to deliver our budget for 2023.

Speaker 4

In China, as China, the Chinese part, the YPH part, Again, the signs from China these days are good. I mean, initially, the Q1 was On the vehicle side, on the EV side, it was down, but it's picking up now. There's a lot of topics that relate around China, To the extent to which they open their market, so that's maybe one more thing I would single out that We need to look at and the final piece, which give us, I would say quite a lot of comfort at this time is the phosphate side. We assume that it will continue to be strong. It's currently very strong on the specialty side, and it's also holding up.

Speaker 6

You're right. I should have mentioned that our phosphate results are Beyond our original budget. So that's the way that we made our budget in the Q1.

Speaker 8

You actually already responded to my second question. It was all around China and what you're seeing there in terms of like the cadence, Etcetera. So I'll leave it here. Thank you very much and congrats on the results.

Speaker 6

Thank you very much.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Ben.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today comes from the line of Vincent Andrews from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Vincent, can you hear us?

Speaker 9

Hello, can you guys hear me now?

Speaker 2

Yes, we can hear you.

Speaker 9

Hey, this is Will Peng on for Vincent. Thanks for taking my question. You mentioned Bowlby reaching record production this quarter even as maybe fertilizer demand more broadly seems weaker than expected. Can you talk about kind of the demand drivers for polysulfate, which may be business from maybe different from commodity fertilizers? And I guess the current profitability and the outlook for the business there?

Speaker 6

The main drivers are good Solubility, sulfur content and the fact that it's an organic fertilizer. So more customers are getting to know the Product and we've gone through extensive field trials, so we can guarantee very good results. Having said that, it's not a gigantic market. It's less than 1,000,000 tons a year. So fortunately for us, we're alone in that market, and we're developing it well.

Speaker 6

And we see that as commodity prices are going down, The poly prices are going down marginally, okay? There's a potash component, so That tends to cause some reduction in price, but in general, prices are holding up nicely. By the way, Poly, it's not just the pure product, it's also a whole family of products that we call fertilizer plus that we're developing, and we combine The polysulfate with other micronutrients and other characteristics.

Speaker 9

Got you. And then maybe a different question here, but I guess given the incident at ICL Iberia, what are your Expectations for the production ramp up schedule there. I think previously, last time you spoke on it and you talked about maybe reaching a 1,000,000 Run rate by the end of 2023, has that changed at all? And then wondering if you could go into more detail on what you guys are expecting for that.

Speaker 6

It hasn't changed, but at the same time, until we get there, We'll have some more pain. It has to do not just with the incident. The incident didn't take us back a lot other than make us feel terrible. What the real issue is the geology there. And the main thing that we have To get through is that we're working our way towards a mining area that's going to last for a very long time and is much more Rich in minerals and where we currently are.

Speaker 6

And unfortunately, we've been working our way for the past It's a year or so. We still have about 9 to 10 months until we get to where we want to get. So We're behind our ambitions all the time and then we'll for sure be below our higher expectations this year. But the other side of that is that even though we'll be A few tens of thousands below, in terms of our overall sales forecast, it's not going to change because we started the year with the inventory. So we are going to be able to sell 4,700,000 to 4,800,000 tons that we forecasted for the year.

Speaker 9

Got it. That's super helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. You have no further questions. Please proceed.

Speaker 6

All right. So I just want to thank you all for participating in our call and continuing to following us and Give us your support, and we look forward to getting back to you next quarter and reporting on our results and continuing to deliver on our plans. Thank you very much

Speaker 2

and take care.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Thank you very much.

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