NYSE:JBI Janus International Group Q1 2023 Earnings Report $6.40 +0.34 (+5.53%) Closing price 04/17/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.40 +0.01 (+0.16%) As of 04/17/2025 04:30 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Janus International Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.18Consensus EPS $0.18Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AJanus International Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$251.90 millionExpected Revenue$247.58 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$4.32 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AJanus International Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/11/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 11, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsJanus International Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Janus International Group Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 11, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:09A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to now turn the call over to your host, Mr. John Rollwagen, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP and A. Thank you. Operator00:00:36You may begin, Mr. Rolling. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Our Q1 2023 earnings conference call. We hope that you have seen our earnings release issued this morning. Please note that we have also posted a presentation As a reminder, today's conference call may include forward looking statements regarding the company's future plans and prospects. These statements are based on our current expectations, and we undertake no duty to update them. It is important to note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated. Speaker 100:01:18Factors that could cause actual results to differ from anticipated results are contained in the company's latest earnings release and periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we encourage you to review those factors carefully. In addition, We will be discussing or providing certain non GAAP financial measures today, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, Adjusted net income and adjusted EPS. Please see our earnings release and filings for a reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measure. I'm joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Ramey Jackson, We will provide an overview of our business and give an operations update and our Chief Financial Officer, Anton Ong, who will continue with a Discussion of our financial results and outlook before we open up the call for your questions. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Randy. Speaker 200:02:15Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Building on our record financial and operational momentum achieved in 2022, We delivered another quarter of outstanding results to start 2023, notable considering the Q1 is typically our softest of the year. Customer demand continues to be robust as the long term bullish fundamentals we see across our end markets remain largely insulated from the broader macroeconomic uncertainty. Our customers, in particular in self storage, are enjoying high demand and strong business fundamentals that should drive a sustained period of investment in facilities and our best in class products and solutions are well positioned to help them achieve their goals. Speaker 200:03:03Once again, I would like to thank all of our employees, without whom Our continued strong performance and success wouldn't be possible. Now turning to some specific thoughts around the quarter. Janice once again produced outstanding operational and financial results that included solid year over year gains in revenues, Strong margin improvement, further deleveraging and solid cash generation. We've told you repeatedly how Fundamentals inherent throughout the industry are fueling investment decisions by our customers to add much needed capacity through either new construction or conversions and expansions and that our margin profile is similar regardless of the path they take. The particular strength this quarter from R3 continues the recent trend of new capacity coming via conversions and expansions. Speaker 200:03:59Nokia had another strong quarter as we continue to ramp up our capabilities and expand our market penetration. As we discussed on our Q4 call, at year end, there were approximately 106,000 total installed units. And during the Q1, we grew to 204,000 total installed units. Our remote access control technologies, particularly Nokie, represent the best our industry has to offer, and we're excited by both the accelerating adoption of its use and the future it has in store. Now shifting to the financial highlights for the quarter. Speaker 200:04:39We delivered consolidated revenues of $251,900,000,000 an increase of nearly 10% as compared to the same period last year. This growth comes across all sales channels With particular strength in our R3 segment that was up 26.9% year over year as well as low single digit increase This is in both new construction and commercial. Our adjusted EBITDA of $61,200,000 came in at 37% higher in Q1 2022, which represents an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24.3%, an improvement of 480 basis points year over year. During the quarter, productivity initiatives and commercial actions more than offset Higher cost we continue to experience in many parts of our business, particularly labor and logistics. Our company continues to generate strong cash flows, which Anselm will discuss in further detail shortly. Speaker 200:05:40Over the past 12 months through the end of the Q1, our free cash flow conversion of adjusted net income was 88%. We expect cash conversion to remain solid over time, putting us in a strong position to focus on maintaining a robust balance sheet, while also being flexible to respond to value enhancing M and A opportunities as we identify them. Speaking of the balance sheet, our net leverage remains a key focus for our Board and our management team. I'm extremely proud that we were able to reduce our net leverage this quarter by nearly a half a turn, putting us 2.4 times net debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA at quarter end and well within our target range of 2 to 3 times. Solid execution, strong underlying fundamentals and prudent uses of cash put us in this enviable position today, allowing us to run the business with a healthy balance sheet, while being able to analyze both organic and inorganic growth opportunities. Speaker 200:06:48Before I hand it over to Anselm, I'd like to talk about our progress towards our long term objectives laid out on our last earnings call. We are driving towards achieving all these targets by expanding our industry leading positions in our end markets, Growing Nokia adoption with our self storage customers, driving efficiencies across the platform and executing value accretive M and A. With respect to our stated long term goals, our top line growth to start the year, which is all organic at this Point as DVCI and ACT were acquired in 2021 positions us well to achieve our full year target range of 4% to 6% organic revenue growth. Our EBITDA margins of 24.3 percent, which were up dramatically year over year, are trending well towards our long term target range of 25% to 27%. Our strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow to start the year sets us up to achieve our target conversion range of 75% to 100% for full year. Speaker 200:07:54And as I mentioned Our net leverage is comfortably inside our target range. Our end markets remain strong and resilient, We look to leverage our leadership position to capture additional share and create long term value for all of our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Anselm for an overview of the financials and our updated outlook for the full year. Speaker 300:08:18Thanks, Raimi, and good morning, everyone. In the Q1, revenue of $251,900,000 was up 9.8% compared to the prior year quarter, driven by solid demand in all three of our sales channels. R3 led the way and was up 26.9%, While new construction and commercial and other were both around 2% to 3% higher versus the prior year quarter. The diversity and stability of our offering is particularly evident Our customers' focus on adding new capacity remains weighted towards our free offerings as opposed to greenfield new construction site, driven by the availability of idle brick and mortar retail capacity to our customers. In new construction, growth was slower than in the previous year as Q1 2022 was positively impacted by pent up demand that occurred during pandemic impacted 2021. Speaker 300:09:25In the Q1, we continue to see construction time elongate as permitting and other delays persist. In commercial and other, growth has started to normalize compared to a very strong Q1 of 2022, which included benefits from commercial actions and market share gains. Our products are used in broad range of end markets, including hotels, warehouses, pharmacies, schools and many others. We see continued potential for growth in commercial and other. Adjusted EBITDA of $61,200,000 was up 37% compared to the year ago quarter. Speaker 300:10:01The combination of Solid demand, commercial actions and cost saving initiatives continues to help offset increases in labor as we work to scale the business For continued growth, including additional investments in Nokie, driving us closer to the margin profile we view as more representative of our business. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 24.3%, an increase of 480 basis points from the year ago quarter. Our contracts today and going forward design with flexibility to accommodate moves in our input costs. By design, eliminating prolonged lag in the cost recovery in times of high inflationary impact. For the Q1 of 2023, we produced adjusted net income of $26,400,000 which was up 31.6 percent from Q1 2022. Speaker 300:10:50Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.18 compares We had another solid quarter of cash flow generation. 1st quarter Cash from operating activities was approximately $50,200,000 and free cash flow was approximately $44,200,000 This adds to our multiyear trend of strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow, representing a trailing 12 months free cash flow conversion Of 88% of adjusted net income, we continue to focus on initiatives to improve working capital and strengthen our metrics. From a balance sheet perspective, we closed the quarter with $658,400,000 of total debt, $69,600,000 of cash and equivalents and the net leverage of 2.4 times net debt to adjusted trailing 12 months EBITDA, down from 2.8 times at the end of 2022. Our performance demonstrates our ability to delever quickly, and we remain Focus on maintaining our leverage within our target range of 2.0x to 3.0x. Interest expense in the Q1 was 16,000,000 During the quarter, we paid down $50,000,000 of our 1st lien term loan facility using cash on hand, which should help us partially offset the adverse impacts of rising rates in We are pleased to see that our credit rating was upgraded at Moody's 2 weeks ago, reflective of the strong efforts we have made. Speaker 300:12:14Now turning to our 2023 outlook. Based on our solid first quarter results, continued strong backlog and current visibility of end markets, We are raising our full year 2023 outlook for revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We now expect revenue to be in the range of $1,060,000,000 to $1,080,000,000 a 5% increase at the midpoint compared to our full year 2022 results, driven primarily by a combination of commercial actions and volume related organic growth. We expect growth in 2023 to reflect the strong underlying fundamentals we see across all three sales channels. We are raising our expectations for adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $253,000,000 to $278,000,000 representing a 17% increase at the midpoint versus our full year 2022 results. Speaker 300:13:01Given the strength in our margins in the Q1, we expect the second half margin to be balanced with the first half margin. We expect full year results to reflect a solid year of margin improvement in our business as we pursue our long term objective to deliver Healthy adjusted EBITDA margin in a range of 25% to 27% over the next several years. Thank you. I will now turn the call back to Rami for closing remarks. Speaker 200:13:25Great. Thank you again, Anselm. We executed well in the Q1, setting the table to deliver on our increased full year outlook, while advancing our plans to achieve our longer term objectives. We are in the early innings of what we believe is a strong multiyear demand environment, one that should drive record revenues, improve EBITDA margins and strong cash flow generation, all while maintaining a more conservative balance sheet. The continued strength in our results is directly attributable to the outstanding execution by our team and the fundamentals in our end market. Speaker 200:14:02I expect we will build on this momentum across 2023 as we drive towards another record year. Thank you again for joining us. Operator, we can now open up the lines for Q and A, please. Operator00:14:16Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. From the queue. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Operator00:14:55Our first question comes from Daniel Moore With CJS Securities, please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:15:04Thank you. Rami, Anselm, John, good morning. Thanks More in advance. And last quarter, I think you said the dashboard was very positive. Just talk about to what extent that visibility remains intact At least through the remainder of fiscal 2023 and into 2024? Speaker 400:15:30And how would you describe the order pipeline across our 3 As well as new construction and commercial versus maybe 3 years, 6 months ago? Speaker 200:15:39Yes. Good question, Dan. So nothing's changed from quarter to quarter. Our pipeline backlog remain robust. All of our indicators indicate strong momentum, not only in kind of new construction, but also R3. Speaker 200:15:58So nothing's changed from that capacity. Speaker 400:16:04Helpful. Really healthy Sequential growth in Nokie placements. Just update us on the traction and testing for Nokie, particularly among the larger REITs. And I think Carrier recently entered the market with a competing product. Is that a good sign or a concern from your perspective? Speaker 200:16:24Yes. I think we've always said it's too good of an opportunity for others not Enter the market and I think it kind of validifies what we're doing at Nokie. As you know, Dan, we've been This for a while, we have a lot of the first mover kind of aches and pains from growing and building it out. As you know, also we're Speaker 300:16:48We're the leader Speaker 200:16:48in kind of doors and hallways, and we're able to integrate that product into our manufacturing process. So there There's certainly a heavy mode around that segment, but we couldn't be more bullish there Moving forward, our orders continue to accelerate. In terms of customer Adoption, we're seeing more of it becoming a standard to certain customers, going from a test phase to kind Full portfolio adoption, so we're very happy with that progress. And as we mentioned on the last call, We've added kind of bench strength to that segment. And so we're really pleased where we are from From a scalability perspective and also customer care. Speaker 200:17:39So we're happy with where we are there. Speaker 400:17:43I'll sneak in the last one. Just thinking about the combination of Extra Space and Life Storage, do you See any near term disruptions in terms of their CapEx plans. And probably more importantly, looking out to 2024 and beyond, is there anything you Tell us about the potential opportunity in terms of rebranding signage, etcetera. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:05Yes. Look, Both REITs are very good customers and have been for a very long time. They both have different models in terms of how they Add capacity and how they go to market with refurbishment. We're in a really good spot to help them kind of integrate those two businesses together. I think they're on record kind of speaking to the allocation of dollars from a rebranding perspective. Speaker 200:18:34I don't know where they are with that, but what I can tell you is we're certainly in a good spot to really help them accelerate that integration. Speaker 400:18:44All right. I'll jump back with any follow ups. Thank you. Speaker 200:18:46Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Dan. Operator00:18:51Thank you. Our next question is from Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:18:58Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the question. Speaker 100:19:02Thanks, Dan. Speaker 500:19:04Starting off, could you repeat what you said about the margin progression 1st half versus second half. I think I know what you said, but just to make sure. Speaker 300:19:12Yes. If you look at the margin sale, we had originally guided that the second half will be stronger than the first half and you saw how our Q1 went much stronger coming in. So what we're Looking at is that still the second half will be stronger, but it will be closer to the first half and it's good news for us. It's driven by our commercial actions and our costs coming down faster than we thought, which is again good news for us from a margin point of view. Speaker 500:19:40You guys have done a really nice job of kind of working on the commercial side of the organization given the volatility in steel. I started to see steel move up again here most recently. How should we think about the ability to kind of some of those costs when we start thinking about things 6 months, a year out, etcetera. Speaker 300:20:03Yes. I think as you know, Stanley, we actually had previously revised all our contracts to give us the flexibility to adjust price win costs like steel move in that direction. So I think we did the definite ability to do it is there. I think at the same time, we want to be smart about being competitive in all the deals that are out there. Speaker 200:20:24And I Speaker 300:20:24think the redoing of the contracts is allowed Speaker 500:20:27to that flexibility To do what we need to do. Great. And then lastly for me, on Nokia, nice sequential pickup. What are you learning from your customers there? In the past, I guess, you've talked about maybe potential add ons for other products, other services down the road. Speaker 500:20:45Is that seem to be something that is of interest to them or was it more just kind of making sure we have the lock system in place and rolling that out on That's kind of more industry standard. Speaker 200:20:56Yes, that opportunity still exists. But what I can say is we're Uber focused on the product line that we have, helping customers integrate and understand the operational benefits of the system. And then from there, it's more of an education on data, right? We've yet to really Take advantage of the amount of data that results in this technology rollout. And I think there's a tremendous amount of opportunity, a lot of upside on the pricing side from a data perspective. Speaker 200:21:32So we're kind of staying tight where we are with deployment, but there's certainly As we move forward to expand kind of content. Speaker 500:21:41And I guess one last quick one. Are you having any problems or seeing Anything on the supply chain side that would keep you from continuing to accelerate the Nokia orders? Speaker 200:21:50Yes. Kudos to the procurement We've done a really good job in securing all of the equipment that we need for manufacturing. So we're in a good spot there as well. Speaker 500:22:00Perfect. Thanks guys. Best of luck. Speaker 300:22:02Thanks, Jamie. Operator00:22:05Thank you. Our next Question is from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:22:13Hey, good morning, everyone. Good morning, Jeff. Speaker 300:22:16Good morning. Speaker 600:22:18So maybe just I want to go back on it sounds like your backlog and Pipeline visibility is still very good. Clearly, a lot of concerns around tightening lending standards. I'm just wondering, Juan, if you're seeing any of that anywhere and maybe just speak to customer segmentation between The larger institutional and public REITs versus maybe the smaller organizations? Speaker 200:22:49Great question. Look, as you know, we kind of break those up into institutional and non institutional. There's no question around cost of capital, interest rates, things of that nature. But quite frankly, Jeff, we're not seeing that on our dashboard. We feel like certainly in our backlog, we verify funding in our backlog, so we're comfortable with those projects moving forward. Speaker 200:23:15And then on the pipeline side, there's just a tremendous amount of new opportunity coming in and I think it's a testament to the end market. I think self storage has proven to be resilient. I think lenders understand the asset class better. So yes, I mean, we're cautiously optimistic, Notwithstanding the noise around what's going on with interest rates and lending and things of that nature. But as it relates Today and what we can see a year in advance, we're very optimistic. Speaker 600:23:51Okay, great. That's good to hear. Just for the commercial business, maybe Level set us on the growth rate kind of decelerating, is that just simply comps? Or are you starting to see that Warehouse market start to normalize and just maybe I know there was some share pickup and How you're thinking about kind of stability of that share gain? Speaker 200:24:19Yes. Look, we had that Segment had a good quarter and there's no questions it's difficult comps, right? There's a tremendous amount of spend And availability from our perspective, we were able to manufacture where others weren't able to get product out We picked up a lot of new customers. And as I've said kind of previously, the opportunity for our business is to try to maintain that share as much as possible. There's no question that we'll give we'll lose some of those top accounts, but at the same time that's our It's just to maintain the service model and our ability to get product out as Quickly as possible and service our customers. Speaker 200:25:03So that's really it. We don't really focus on the end market because as you know, that's more of an R and R. That's We found our sweet spot with a lot of the replacement work that has less to do with architectural specifications and more to do about service and on time delivery and that's Speaker 600:25:22Okay, great. And then just a housekeeping item, just maybe level set us on How are you thinking about GAAP interest expense for the year? Speaker 300:25:30Yes. If you looked at what we had in Q1, you saw the amount was approximately $16,000,000 of interest expense. We saw the pay down about $50,000,000 So if you do the math, you'd see a slight adjustment down for the other quarters. Our expectation is that like everyone else is another quarter of rate increase there and maybe it's a whole thing there. But again, Can't predict the future there, but it kind of if you do the math there, it should be in and around that same Q1 number you saw a little lower than that. Speaker 600:26:03Okay. Thanks guys. Thank you. Speaker 300:26:06Thanks. Operator00:26:09Thank you. Our next question comes from John Lovallo with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:26:17Hey, guys. Good morning. This is actually Spencer Coffman on for John. Thank you for the questions. The first one, if we just take a look at your updated revenue and EBITDA guidance for the year, How should we think about the puts and takes versus your prior expectations? Speaker 700:26:31Are you essentially just taking the 1Q beat and leaving your prior assumptions for 2nd through Q4 unchanged. Has anything gotten better or worse since mid March? Speaker 300:26:41Yes. I think we as you saw the Q1 beat we got Aaron, I think, yes, essentially we're seeing the rest of the balance of the year still pretty good. And like we said, our visibility into backlog Helps us confirm that. So we've kind of raised for what the beat in Q1 was. Speaker 700:26:59Okay. That makes sense. And to the That interest rates settle lower as we move through the year and existing home sales potentially reaccelerate. I mean, would you expect demand for self storage to benefit from that? How should we think about that? Speaker 200:27:14Yes. Look, that's hard to say. But keep in mind, it's an event based business. It drives off of events regardless if it's new housing interest rate, things of that nature. So Hard to answer that question specifically, but we'll point you to the kind of drivers of self storage. Speaker 700:27:34Okay. And last one, if I could sneak this For the outlook on EBITDA margins for the full year would imply about 24.8%. Can you just discuss the path to how you expect to get there? And on follow-up to that, do you expect that the 1Q gross margin of 39.7% will be the low for the year? How should we think about that piece? Speaker 700:27:54Thanks. Speaker 300:27:55I think the way I would think about it is that like we've already discussed that we should still see some drivers in terms of cost improvement Going through the into the second half that will benefit. The first half we said is driven by still a lot of pricing That's helping us there and then we'll get volume in the back half. And I think from a margin rate point of view, our expectation is that It will be in and around that rate you saw for Q1 with probably some improvement due to the cost benefits we're seeing going through the second half. Speaker 700:28:28Okay, got it. Thank you, guys. Good luck. Speaker 200:28:30Thanks. Operator00:28:33Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Colin Rose with Stoic Point. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:28:59Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 300:29:00Good morning. Speaker 800:29:03Congrats on a Strong start to the year. I guess the question is, you have continued to beat and raise past expectations. I think You get about 10 questions per call about the state of the industry and can you say it's strong and market demand is stable. It looks like you guys will be either at or below your leverage target, low end of your leverage target by the end of this year at this pace. And yet the stock doesn't really react. Speaker 800:29:33Nobody seems to care. It trades at a pretty healthy free cash yield and probably a pretty serious discount The average buildings product company probably gets serious discount to the higher quality buildings product companies with margins and returns like this. So I'm curious on the capital allocation, how you guys factor that in and think about the trade offs of The M and A strategy, which I think you've been consistent about and has been successful versus buying back your own stock at these levels, Given what seems to be a pretty material discount for the quality of this business and the stability of the numbers that you guys continue to put up. Speaker 200:30:16Yes. Thanks for the question. There's a lot to unpack there certainly And agree with your sentiments around share price and comps. And I'll just kind of leave that at I'll just leave that there. And as it relates to capital deployment, yes, we are deleveraging in a meaningful way. Speaker 200:30:40This business generates a lot of cash. And in terms of allocation, that's something that we're certainly working with our Board of Directors, Super focused on our options, but that puts us in a really good spot, not only from paying down debt or buybacks or Also M and A and you know that's part of our DNA. That's certainly something that we're always looking at. Anselm, do you have anything to add? Yes. Speaker 300:31:03No, think Remi is right. We're constantly looking at it. I think you're right. You kind of do the forward looking forecast. We're in the leverage ratio puts us in a much even better place We're at even currently for this quarter. Speaker 300:31:13I think at the same time, I just have a reminder just from a cash flow point of view, we have some key investments In production in our factories, in our West Coast as well as in Europe, to actually improve capacity for us there. So There is some use of the cash there that is the right thing for us to grow the business and we'll continue to look at M and A like Remi said is that It's just that as you know, it's a tough market for deals out there right now, but it doesn't mean we're not still looking. Speaker 800:31:44Yes. Appreciate that. Well, there's one company for sale every day that you could buy. So, I would encourage you to consider that in the range of options, but congrats again on a great start to the year. Thanks. Speaker 300:31:57Thanks. Operator00:32:00There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Rainey Jackson for closing comments. Speaker 200:32:08Okay, great. Thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your support of Janus International and look forward to updating you on our progress. Have a great day. Operator00:32:20This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:09A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to now turn the call over to your host, Mr. John Rollwagen, Vice President of Investor Relations and FP and A. Thank you. Operator00:00:36You may begin, Mr. Rolling. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining Our Q1 2023 earnings conference call. We hope that you have seen our earnings release issued this morning. Please note that we have also posted a presentation As a reminder, today's conference call may include forward looking statements regarding the company's future plans and prospects. These statements are based on our current expectations, and we undertake no duty to update them. It is important to note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated. Speaker 100:01:18Factors that could cause actual results to differ from anticipated results are contained in the company's latest earnings release and periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we encourage you to review those factors carefully. In addition, We will be discussing or providing certain non GAAP financial measures today, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, Adjusted net income and adjusted EPS. Please see our earnings release and filings for a reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measure. I'm joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Ramey Jackson, We will provide an overview of our business and give an operations update and our Chief Financial Officer, Anton Ong, who will continue with a Discussion of our financial results and outlook before we open up the call for your questions. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Randy. Speaker 200:02:15Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Building on our record financial and operational momentum achieved in 2022, We delivered another quarter of outstanding results to start 2023, notable considering the Q1 is typically our softest of the year. Customer demand continues to be robust as the long term bullish fundamentals we see across our end markets remain largely insulated from the broader macroeconomic uncertainty. Our customers, in particular in self storage, are enjoying high demand and strong business fundamentals that should drive a sustained period of investment in facilities and our best in class products and solutions are well positioned to help them achieve their goals. Speaker 200:03:03Once again, I would like to thank all of our employees, without whom Our continued strong performance and success wouldn't be possible. Now turning to some specific thoughts around the quarter. Janice once again produced outstanding operational and financial results that included solid year over year gains in revenues, Strong margin improvement, further deleveraging and solid cash generation. We've told you repeatedly how Fundamentals inherent throughout the industry are fueling investment decisions by our customers to add much needed capacity through either new construction or conversions and expansions and that our margin profile is similar regardless of the path they take. The particular strength this quarter from R3 continues the recent trend of new capacity coming via conversions and expansions. Speaker 200:03:59Nokia had another strong quarter as we continue to ramp up our capabilities and expand our market penetration. As we discussed on our Q4 call, at year end, there were approximately 106,000 total installed units. And during the Q1, we grew to 204,000 total installed units. Our remote access control technologies, particularly Nokie, represent the best our industry has to offer, and we're excited by both the accelerating adoption of its use and the future it has in store. Now shifting to the financial highlights for the quarter. Speaker 200:04:39We delivered consolidated revenues of $251,900,000,000 an increase of nearly 10% as compared to the same period last year. This growth comes across all sales channels With particular strength in our R3 segment that was up 26.9% year over year as well as low single digit increase This is in both new construction and commercial. Our adjusted EBITDA of $61,200,000 came in at 37% higher in Q1 2022, which represents an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24.3%, an improvement of 480 basis points year over year. During the quarter, productivity initiatives and commercial actions more than offset Higher cost we continue to experience in many parts of our business, particularly labor and logistics. Our company continues to generate strong cash flows, which Anselm will discuss in further detail shortly. Speaker 200:05:40Over the past 12 months through the end of the Q1, our free cash flow conversion of adjusted net income was 88%. We expect cash conversion to remain solid over time, putting us in a strong position to focus on maintaining a robust balance sheet, while also being flexible to respond to value enhancing M and A opportunities as we identify them. Speaking of the balance sheet, our net leverage remains a key focus for our Board and our management team. I'm extremely proud that we were able to reduce our net leverage this quarter by nearly a half a turn, putting us 2.4 times net debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA at quarter end and well within our target range of 2 to 3 times. Solid execution, strong underlying fundamentals and prudent uses of cash put us in this enviable position today, allowing us to run the business with a healthy balance sheet, while being able to analyze both organic and inorganic growth opportunities. Speaker 200:06:48Before I hand it over to Anselm, I'd like to talk about our progress towards our long term objectives laid out on our last earnings call. We are driving towards achieving all these targets by expanding our industry leading positions in our end markets, Growing Nokia adoption with our self storage customers, driving efficiencies across the platform and executing value accretive M and A. With respect to our stated long term goals, our top line growth to start the year, which is all organic at this Point as DVCI and ACT were acquired in 2021 positions us well to achieve our full year target range of 4% to 6% organic revenue growth. Our EBITDA margins of 24.3 percent, which were up dramatically year over year, are trending well towards our long term target range of 25% to 27%. Our strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow to start the year sets us up to achieve our target conversion range of 75% to 100% for full year. Speaker 200:07:54And as I mentioned Our net leverage is comfortably inside our target range. Our end markets remain strong and resilient, We look to leverage our leadership position to capture additional share and create long term value for all of our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Anselm for an overview of the financials and our updated outlook for the full year. Speaker 300:08:18Thanks, Raimi, and good morning, everyone. In the Q1, revenue of $251,900,000 was up 9.8% compared to the prior year quarter, driven by solid demand in all three of our sales channels. R3 led the way and was up 26.9%, While new construction and commercial and other were both around 2% to 3% higher versus the prior year quarter. The diversity and stability of our offering is particularly evident Our customers' focus on adding new capacity remains weighted towards our free offerings as opposed to greenfield new construction site, driven by the availability of idle brick and mortar retail capacity to our customers. In new construction, growth was slower than in the previous year as Q1 2022 was positively impacted by pent up demand that occurred during pandemic impacted 2021. Speaker 300:09:25In the Q1, we continue to see construction time elongate as permitting and other delays persist. In commercial and other, growth has started to normalize compared to a very strong Q1 of 2022, which included benefits from commercial actions and market share gains. Our products are used in broad range of end markets, including hotels, warehouses, pharmacies, schools and many others. We see continued potential for growth in commercial and other. Adjusted EBITDA of $61,200,000 was up 37% compared to the year ago quarter. Speaker 300:10:01The combination of Solid demand, commercial actions and cost saving initiatives continues to help offset increases in labor as we work to scale the business For continued growth, including additional investments in Nokie, driving us closer to the margin profile we view as more representative of our business. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 24.3%, an increase of 480 basis points from the year ago quarter. Our contracts today and going forward design with flexibility to accommodate moves in our input costs. By design, eliminating prolonged lag in the cost recovery in times of high inflationary impact. For the Q1 of 2023, we produced adjusted net income of $26,400,000 which was up 31.6 percent from Q1 2022. Speaker 300:10:50Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.18 compares We had another solid quarter of cash flow generation. 1st quarter Cash from operating activities was approximately $50,200,000 and free cash flow was approximately $44,200,000 This adds to our multiyear trend of strong conversion of adjusted net income to free cash flow, representing a trailing 12 months free cash flow conversion Of 88% of adjusted net income, we continue to focus on initiatives to improve working capital and strengthen our metrics. From a balance sheet perspective, we closed the quarter with $658,400,000 of total debt, $69,600,000 of cash and equivalents and the net leverage of 2.4 times net debt to adjusted trailing 12 months EBITDA, down from 2.8 times at the end of 2022. Our performance demonstrates our ability to delever quickly, and we remain Focus on maintaining our leverage within our target range of 2.0x to 3.0x. Interest expense in the Q1 was 16,000,000 During the quarter, we paid down $50,000,000 of our 1st lien term loan facility using cash on hand, which should help us partially offset the adverse impacts of rising rates in We are pleased to see that our credit rating was upgraded at Moody's 2 weeks ago, reflective of the strong efforts we have made. Speaker 300:12:14Now turning to our 2023 outlook. Based on our solid first quarter results, continued strong backlog and current visibility of end markets, We are raising our full year 2023 outlook for revenue and adjusted EBITDA. We now expect revenue to be in the range of $1,060,000,000 to $1,080,000,000 a 5% increase at the midpoint compared to our full year 2022 results, driven primarily by a combination of commercial actions and volume related organic growth. We expect growth in 2023 to reflect the strong underlying fundamentals we see across all three sales channels. We are raising our expectations for adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $253,000,000 to $278,000,000 representing a 17% increase at the midpoint versus our full year 2022 results. Speaker 300:13:01Given the strength in our margins in the Q1, we expect the second half margin to be balanced with the first half margin. We expect full year results to reflect a solid year of margin improvement in our business as we pursue our long term objective to deliver Healthy adjusted EBITDA margin in a range of 25% to 27% over the next several years. Thank you. I will now turn the call back to Rami for closing remarks. Speaker 200:13:25Great. Thank you again, Anselm. We executed well in the Q1, setting the table to deliver on our increased full year outlook, while advancing our plans to achieve our longer term objectives. We are in the early innings of what we believe is a strong multiyear demand environment, one that should drive record revenues, improve EBITDA margins and strong cash flow generation, all while maintaining a more conservative balance sheet. The continued strength in our results is directly attributable to the outstanding execution by our team and the fundamentals in our end market. Speaker 200:14:02I expect we will build on this momentum across 2023 as we drive towards another record year. Thank you again for joining us. Operator, we can now open up the lines for Q and A, please. Operator00:14:16Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. From the queue. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Operator00:14:55Our first question comes from Daniel Moore With CJS Securities, please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:15:04Thank you. Rami, Anselm, John, good morning. Thanks More in advance. And last quarter, I think you said the dashboard was very positive. Just talk about to what extent that visibility remains intact At least through the remainder of fiscal 2023 and into 2024? Speaker 400:15:30And how would you describe the order pipeline across our 3 As well as new construction and commercial versus maybe 3 years, 6 months ago? Speaker 200:15:39Yes. Good question, Dan. So nothing's changed from quarter to quarter. Our pipeline backlog remain robust. All of our indicators indicate strong momentum, not only in kind of new construction, but also R3. Speaker 200:15:58So nothing's changed from that capacity. Speaker 400:16:04Helpful. Really healthy Sequential growth in Nokie placements. Just update us on the traction and testing for Nokie, particularly among the larger REITs. And I think Carrier recently entered the market with a competing product. Is that a good sign or a concern from your perspective? Speaker 200:16:24Yes. I think we've always said it's too good of an opportunity for others not Enter the market and I think it kind of validifies what we're doing at Nokie. As you know, Dan, we've been This for a while, we have a lot of the first mover kind of aches and pains from growing and building it out. As you know, also we're Speaker 300:16:48We're the leader Speaker 200:16:48in kind of doors and hallways, and we're able to integrate that product into our manufacturing process. So there There's certainly a heavy mode around that segment, but we couldn't be more bullish there Moving forward, our orders continue to accelerate. In terms of customer Adoption, we're seeing more of it becoming a standard to certain customers, going from a test phase to kind Full portfolio adoption, so we're very happy with that progress. And as we mentioned on the last call, We've added kind of bench strength to that segment. And so we're really pleased where we are from From a scalability perspective and also customer care. Speaker 200:17:39So we're happy with where we are there. Speaker 400:17:43I'll sneak in the last one. Just thinking about the combination of Extra Space and Life Storage, do you See any near term disruptions in terms of their CapEx plans. And probably more importantly, looking out to 2024 and beyond, is there anything you Tell us about the potential opportunity in terms of rebranding signage, etcetera. Thanks. Speaker 200:18:05Yes. Look, Both REITs are very good customers and have been for a very long time. They both have different models in terms of how they Add capacity and how they go to market with refurbishment. We're in a really good spot to help them kind of integrate those two businesses together. I think they're on record kind of speaking to the allocation of dollars from a rebranding perspective. Speaker 200:18:34I don't know where they are with that, but what I can tell you is we're certainly in a good spot to really help them accelerate that integration. Speaker 400:18:44All right. I'll jump back with any follow ups. Thank you. Speaker 200:18:46Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Dan. Operator00:18:51Thank you. Our next question is from Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:18:58Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the question. Speaker 100:19:02Thanks, Dan. Speaker 500:19:04Starting off, could you repeat what you said about the margin progression 1st half versus second half. I think I know what you said, but just to make sure. Speaker 300:19:12Yes. If you look at the margin sale, we had originally guided that the second half will be stronger than the first half and you saw how our Q1 went much stronger coming in. So what we're Looking at is that still the second half will be stronger, but it will be closer to the first half and it's good news for us. It's driven by our commercial actions and our costs coming down faster than we thought, which is again good news for us from a margin point of view. Speaker 500:19:40You guys have done a really nice job of kind of working on the commercial side of the organization given the volatility in steel. I started to see steel move up again here most recently. How should we think about the ability to kind of some of those costs when we start thinking about things 6 months, a year out, etcetera. Speaker 300:20:03Yes. I think as you know, Stanley, we actually had previously revised all our contracts to give us the flexibility to adjust price win costs like steel move in that direction. So I think we did the definite ability to do it is there. I think at the same time, we want to be smart about being competitive in all the deals that are out there. Speaker 200:20:24And I Speaker 300:20:24think the redoing of the contracts is allowed Speaker 500:20:27to that flexibility To do what we need to do. Great. And then lastly for me, on Nokia, nice sequential pickup. What are you learning from your customers there? In the past, I guess, you've talked about maybe potential add ons for other products, other services down the road. Speaker 500:20:45Is that seem to be something that is of interest to them or was it more just kind of making sure we have the lock system in place and rolling that out on That's kind of more industry standard. Speaker 200:20:56Yes, that opportunity still exists. But what I can say is we're Uber focused on the product line that we have, helping customers integrate and understand the operational benefits of the system. And then from there, it's more of an education on data, right? We've yet to really Take advantage of the amount of data that results in this technology rollout. And I think there's a tremendous amount of opportunity, a lot of upside on the pricing side from a data perspective. Speaker 200:21:32So we're kind of staying tight where we are with deployment, but there's certainly As we move forward to expand kind of content. Speaker 500:21:41And I guess one last quick one. Are you having any problems or seeing Anything on the supply chain side that would keep you from continuing to accelerate the Nokia orders? Speaker 200:21:50Yes. Kudos to the procurement We've done a really good job in securing all of the equipment that we need for manufacturing. So we're in a good spot there as well. Speaker 500:22:00Perfect. Thanks guys. Best of luck. Speaker 300:22:02Thanks, Jamie. Operator00:22:05Thank you. Our next Question is from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:22:13Hey, good morning, everyone. Good morning, Jeff. Speaker 300:22:16Good morning. Speaker 600:22:18So maybe just I want to go back on it sounds like your backlog and Pipeline visibility is still very good. Clearly, a lot of concerns around tightening lending standards. I'm just wondering, Juan, if you're seeing any of that anywhere and maybe just speak to customer segmentation between The larger institutional and public REITs versus maybe the smaller organizations? Speaker 200:22:49Great question. Look, as you know, we kind of break those up into institutional and non institutional. There's no question around cost of capital, interest rates, things of that nature. But quite frankly, Jeff, we're not seeing that on our dashboard. We feel like certainly in our backlog, we verify funding in our backlog, so we're comfortable with those projects moving forward. Speaker 200:23:15And then on the pipeline side, there's just a tremendous amount of new opportunity coming in and I think it's a testament to the end market. I think self storage has proven to be resilient. I think lenders understand the asset class better. So yes, I mean, we're cautiously optimistic, Notwithstanding the noise around what's going on with interest rates and lending and things of that nature. But as it relates Today and what we can see a year in advance, we're very optimistic. Speaker 600:23:51Okay, great. That's good to hear. Just for the commercial business, maybe Level set us on the growth rate kind of decelerating, is that just simply comps? Or are you starting to see that Warehouse market start to normalize and just maybe I know there was some share pickup and How you're thinking about kind of stability of that share gain? Speaker 200:24:19Yes. Look, we had that Segment had a good quarter and there's no questions it's difficult comps, right? There's a tremendous amount of spend And availability from our perspective, we were able to manufacture where others weren't able to get product out We picked up a lot of new customers. And as I've said kind of previously, the opportunity for our business is to try to maintain that share as much as possible. There's no question that we'll give we'll lose some of those top accounts, but at the same time that's our It's just to maintain the service model and our ability to get product out as Quickly as possible and service our customers. Speaker 200:25:03So that's really it. We don't really focus on the end market because as you know, that's more of an R and R. That's We found our sweet spot with a lot of the replacement work that has less to do with architectural specifications and more to do about service and on time delivery and that's Speaker 600:25:22Okay, great. And then just a housekeeping item, just maybe level set us on How are you thinking about GAAP interest expense for the year? Speaker 300:25:30Yes. If you looked at what we had in Q1, you saw the amount was approximately $16,000,000 of interest expense. We saw the pay down about $50,000,000 So if you do the math, you'd see a slight adjustment down for the other quarters. Our expectation is that like everyone else is another quarter of rate increase there and maybe it's a whole thing there. But again, Can't predict the future there, but it kind of if you do the math there, it should be in and around that same Q1 number you saw a little lower than that. Speaker 600:26:03Okay. Thanks guys. Thank you. Speaker 300:26:06Thanks. Operator00:26:09Thank you. Our next question comes from John Lovallo with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:26:17Hey, guys. Good morning. This is actually Spencer Coffman on for John. Thank you for the questions. The first one, if we just take a look at your updated revenue and EBITDA guidance for the year, How should we think about the puts and takes versus your prior expectations? Speaker 700:26:31Are you essentially just taking the 1Q beat and leaving your prior assumptions for 2nd through Q4 unchanged. Has anything gotten better or worse since mid March? Speaker 300:26:41Yes. I think we as you saw the Q1 beat we got Aaron, I think, yes, essentially we're seeing the rest of the balance of the year still pretty good. And like we said, our visibility into backlog Helps us confirm that. So we've kind of raised for what the beat in Q1 was. Speaker 700:26:59Okay. That makes sense. And to the That interest rates settle lower as we move through the year and existing home sales potentially reaccelerate. I mean, would you expect demand for self storage to benefit from that? How should we think about that? Speaker 200:27:14Yes. Look, that's hard to say. But keep in mind, it's an event based business. It drives off of events regardless if it's new housing interest rate, things of that nature. So Hard to answer that question specifically, but we'll point you to the kind of drivers of self storage. Speaker 700:27:34Okay. And last one, if I could sneak this For the outlook on EBITDA margins for the full year would imply about 24.8%. Can you just discuss the path to how you expect to get there? And on follow-up to that, do you expect that the 1Q gross margin of 39.7% will be the low for the year? How should we think about that piece? Speaker 700:27:54Thanks. Speaker 300:27:55I think the way I would think about it is that like we've already discussed that we should still see some drivers in terms of cost improvement Going through the into the second half that will benefit. The first half we said is driven by still a lot of pricing That's helping us there and then we'll get volume in the back half. And I think from a margin rate point of view, our expectation is that It will be in and around that rate you saw for Q1 with probably some improvement due to the cost benefits we're seeing going through the second half. Speaker 700:28:28Okay, got it. Thank you, guys. Good luck. Speaker 200:28:30Thanks. Operator00:28:33Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Colin Rose with Stoic Point. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:28:59Hey, guys. Good morning. Speaker 300:29:00Good morning. Speaker 800:29:03Congrats on a Strong start to the year. I guess the question is, you have continued to beat and raise past expectations. I think You get about 10 questions per call about the state of the industry and can you say it's strong and market demand is stable. It looks like you guys will be either at or below your leverage target, low end of your leverage target by the end of this year at this pace. And yet the stock doesn't really react. Speaker 800:29:33Nobody seems to care. It trades at a pretty healthy free cash yield and probably a pretty serious discount The average buildings product company probably gets serious discount to the higher quality buildings product companies with margins and returns like this. So I'm curious on the capital allocation, how you guys factor that in and think about the trade offs of The M and A strategy, which I think you've been consistent about and has been successful versus buying back your own stock at these levels, Given what seems to be a pretty material discount for the quality of this business and the stability of the numbers that you guys continue to put up. Speaker 200:30:16Yes. Thanks for the question. There's a lot to unpack there certainly And agree with your sentiments around share price and comps. And I'll just kind of leave that at I'll just leave that there. And as it relates to capital deployment, yes, we are deleveraging in a meaningful way. Speaker 200:30:40This business generates a lot of cash. And in terms of allocation, that's something that we're certainly working with our Board of Directors, Super focused on our options, but that puts us in a really good spot, not only from paying down debt or buybacks or Also M and A and you know that's part of our DNA. That's certainly something that we're always looking at. Anselm, do you have anything to add? Yes. Speaker 300:31:03No, think Remi is right. We're constantly looking at it. I think you're right. You kind of do the forward looking forecast. We're in the leverage ratio puts us in a much even better place We're at even currently for this quarter. Speaker 300:31:13I think at the same time, I just have a reminder just from a cash flow point of view, we have some key investments In production in our factories, in our West Coast as well as in Europe, to actually improve capacity for us there. So There is some use of the cash there that is the right thing for us to grow the business and we'll continue to look at M and A like Remi said is that It's just that as you know, it's a tough market for deals out there right now, but it doesn't mean we're not still looking. Speaker 800:31:44Yes. Appreciate that. Well, there's one company for sale every day that you could buy. So, I would encourage you to consider that in the range of options, but congrats again on a great start to the year. Thanks. Speaker 300:31:57Thanks. Operator00:32:00There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Rainey Jackson for closing comments. Speaker 200:32:08Okay, great. Thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your support of Janus International and look forward to updating you on our progress. Have a great day. Operator00:32:20This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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