NASDAQ:REAX Real Brokerage Q1 2023 Earnings Report $33.87 +0.02 (+0.06%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$33.54 -0.33 (-0.97%) As of 04/17/2025 06:11 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast BridgeBio Pharma EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.04Consensus EPS -$0.03Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/ABridgeBio Pharma Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$107.85 millionExpected Revenue$83.82 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$24.03 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABridgeBio Pharma Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/11/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 11, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsBridgeBio Pharma's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 1, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, May 2, 2025 at 12:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by BridgeBio Pharma Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 11, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Real Brokerage First Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode, and we will open the floor for your questions and comments after the presentation. I will now turn the call over to Jason Lee, Vice President of Capital Markets and Investor Relations at The Real brokerage. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:22Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Real's Q1 2023 earnings call. With me on the call today are Tamir Pollig, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Michelle Ressler, our Chief Financial Officer. This morning, we will file the financial statements and management discussion and analysis for the Q1 ended March 31, 2023 on SEDAR and EDGAR. These documents, along with the accompanying earnings press release, can be found on both SEDAR and EDGAR. Before I turn the call over to Tamir, I'd like to remind everyone that the company will be making statements about its future results and other forward looking statements during this call. Speaker 100:00:59Our actual results may differ materially from these Forward looking statements and the risk factors that could cause these differences are detailed in our Canadian continuous disclosure documents and SEC reports. Rheal disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward looking statements except as expressly required by law. Now with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Tamir Polleg. Tamir, please proceed. Speaker 200:01:25Good morning, and thank you, Jason. Q1 of 2023 was a tough quarter for our industry once again, with elevated mortgage rates continuing to weigh on affordability for buyers and U. S. Home sales down 26% year over year and 16% quarter over quarter. Against this difficult backdrop, We're pleased to announce that we will continue to see exceptionally strong growth. Speaker 200:01:46Our revenue for the quarter was $108,000,000 a 75% year over year increase and a 12% sequential growth from the prior quarter. January tends to be the slowest month in real estate and we are pleased to report a Strong consecutive revenue increase in both February March. Driving this revenue was our accelerating agent attraction. During the quarter, our agent base grew to just over 10,000 agents, a 120% year over year increase. This represents a nearly 1800 net addition, the largest increase in our company's history. Speaker 200:02:23In fact, we've seen an impressive acceleration in agents choosing to join our platform with nearly 1500 agents added in Q4 and 1100 in Q3. This growth drove an improvement in transaction volume despite productivity levels that are affected by challenging housing market. Total transaction sites improved 75% year over year to 10,963. These results come during a difficult period for agents across the country as evidenced by shrinking agent bases at many other brokerages. What's clear to us is that our agent attraction model is working and our technology and value proposition is resonating with agents that want to be successful. Speaker 200:03:04We're seeing this anecdotally in the conversation we have with our agents and prospects, and ultimately, we're seeing it in a number of agents that are making the choice to join our platform. Our gain in market share has not gone unnoticed. I'm proud to report that we were recently recognized as a top brokerage by Real Trends, T360, Reef Media and HousingWire. We have been working hard to build a tech powered brokerage where agents are excited to join and thrive. Our inclusion in this ranking highlights the pace of growth we have experienced in just a few short years, and we are pleased to have been recognized for our achievements. Speaker 200:03:40On the geographic expansion front, we launched operations in Delaware in May, which strengthened our presence in the Mid Atlantic region and brings our total state count to 46. Also in May, we expanded into Manitoba in Canada, growing our total presence in the country to 4 provinces, including Alberta, Ontario and British Columbia. Back in December, we announced the addition of Sharan Srivatsa as President of the company. He is focused on all aspects of growth, including agent attraction and education. In April, we hosted our 1st RealX Annual Virtual Summit, a 2 day agent event led by Sharang that assembled our industry's best thought leaders and inspired thousands of We also announced our 2nd annual agent conference called RISE, which is scheduled for October 22 to 24 in San Diego, California. Speaker 200:04:29Now to touch on some new products and initiatives we're excited about. The home buying experience has been a focus for us in recent quarters. We understand that the future of real estate lies in taking this very complex process of buying a home and wrapping it into a single well crafted easy to understand product. As part of bringing this vision to life, we will be launching an initial limited beta version of our consumer facing app in a few weeks, focusing on streamlining the mortgage application process. In a few days, we will also be launching FAST 14, a program that provides homebuyers with guarantee that they will be clear to close on their mortgage within 14 days of submitting their mortgage application. Speaker 200:05:07We believe that the certainty provided by this program as well as the speed to close will be attractive to many buyers. We expect Fast 14 to be embedded into our Consumer facing app later this year. We pride ourselves on our nimble development culture, which is why we immediately recognize A new AI virtual assistant that will be fully integrated into our recent transaction management platform that will answer agent questions in real time 20 fourseven, leveraging Real's extensive proprietary knowledge base to create a completely customized experience. This will save time for our agents and make our already lean support team even more efficient, which fundamentally aligns with our core philosophy of becoming the premier brokerage by providing scalable solution for our agents. We expect to roll out an initial version for testing by the end of Q2. Speaker 200:06:06We are also happy to announce on this call that today we have launched RealSignature to all of our agents, a proprietary Electronic signature tool built fully inside of Reason. This feature will benefit agents by allowing them to save time by creating document templates for future transaction and to save money by avoiding 3rd party subscription fees. Further, by developing this tool in house, we will also own all of the data associated with the transaction Yes, which we can leverage to better automate the transaction process and create better user experiences over the long term. It is an important building block of the one stop shop consumer product we are developing. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, on April 4, We announced Century Residential merged its military focused national brokerage into Real, adding to Real's existing 500 plus military focused agents. Speaker 200:07:00We all plan to leverage our growing presence to launch a real military division, the first of several planned divisions of practice. This is a great milestone for the company as we create a specialized pillar of our community to focus on military veterans and their clients. On our prior earnings call, we were optimistic that Q4 was the bottom for us given record open transaction volume on our platform in early 2023. As of today, our open transaction volume has reached new records once again as we enter the seasonally busiest time of the year in our industry. As a result, we are confident that tremendous market share growth and the recently announced changes to our model will have a growing impact on our financials. Speaker 200:07:42We believe this will have an even more significant effect as per agent productivity accelerates with increased macro environment stabilization as our platform now boasts considerably more agents. We remain focused on aggressively gaining strong market share by providing the best Ecosystem for agents. Given our accelerating performance and the progress witnessed thus far this quarter, we now expect to reach Our goal of becoming adjusted EBITDA profitable in Q2 earlier than our prior target of reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability in the second half of twenty twenty three. As we scale our title and mortgage businesses, we continue to lay the foundations for an industry changing consumer experience and will begin testing initial versions of a consumer focused application with a select group of agents and clients early in the second half of twenty twenty three that will feature mortgage pre approval. While we anticipate that it will take another year to iterate to a Full consumer facing product, we want to prioritize growing sustainably while executing our long term vision. Speaker 200:08:46And with that, I'll turn it over to Michelle for the financial update. Speaker 300:08:51Thank you, Tamira, and thank you, everyone, for joining us. I'll start by reviewing some of our key financial results For the quarter ended March 31, the total value of homes transacted over our platform reached $4,000,000,000 which represents a 66% increase compared to the same period in 2022. The total number of transactions on our during the quarter increased to 10,963, a 75% year over year increase. The median sale price of properties sold by our agents was $350,000 which represents a modest 1.4% increase compared to Q1 2022. As Timur mentioned, while many other brokerages in our industry are struggling, We are pleased with the impressive growth we are witnessing. Speaker 300:09:39Revenue increased to $108,000,000 a 75% increase compared with Q1 2022. Meanwhile, gross profit increased 84% year over year to $10,800,000 Our gross margin expanded to 10%, up from 9.5% in Q1 2022. The increase was driven by a continued drop in the percentage of agents that have reached The cap, which is a result of the generally lower market activity compared to prior periods. As of March 31, 2023, 8.2% of our agents had exceeded their cap, down from 8.9% at the end of 2022. The capped cohort represented 43% of Commission revenue in Q1 compared to 44% in Q4 of 2022. Speaker 300:10:24The improved margin Also reflects our agent growth and some initial impacts from the increased fee structure. As a reminder, we increased our U. S. Fees for new agents beginning on February 1 and for existing agents on April 1. The majority of these changes will begin to impact our financials more materially beginning in Q2. Speaker 300:10:44Looking at the geographies we operate in, 8.2% of our U. S. Agents ended the quarter with cap status, down marginally from 8.5% in Q4. Our Canadian CAC agents experienced a more meaningful drop with 7.9% ending the quarter with CAC status versus 14.1% at the end of Q4. We believe this reflects the more acute downturn in the Canadian residential real estate market. Speaker 300:11:08Canadian residential sales activity in Q1 was 38% lower and average sale price was 17% lower year over year according to the Canadian Real Estate Association. This compares with a 26% volume and 1% drop to U. S. Existing home sales figures over the same period as reported by the National Association of Realtors. However, Canada represents just 9% of our agents, up slightly from 8% as of Q4. Speaker 300:11:32Canada represented 11% of commission revenue in Q1, a decline compared to Our highest earning elite agents at the end of the quarter declined 2.5% of our agent base compared to 0.9% in the prior quarter. These agents are responsible for generating 8.5 percent of total commission revenue, down notably from 12.7%. The requirements to achieve and maintain elite status are reserved for our most Productive agents and a sustained period of market weakness is evident in this down climb. Overall, we believe Real continues to be the winning solution for productive agents looking to be as In Q1, 59% of our commission revenue was generated by our agents representing the buy 36% was on the sell side and 5% was from dual agency representation. This is essentially unchanged from the same quarter in 2021 and does not include Revenue that we book related to agent referrals, which accounts for approximately 2% of the overall total. Speaker 300:12:38Commission revenue per productive agent, a core measure of agent productivity, moderated to 26,000 in Q1 from 27,200 in Q4 And 29,400 in Q1 of 2022. The number of transactions closed by this cohort eased to 2.7 from 2.8 in Q4 And 3 in Q1 of 2022. To strip out the effect of new agents joining, we also track the commission revenue per productive agent already on our platforms at the beginning of the This is similar to the same store sales figure reported by the retail industry. For these existing agents, The average commission revenue in Q1 was 29,800 compared to 30,300 in Q4. And the number of transactions closed by the existing agent cohort held steady quarter over quarter at 3.1, which gives us confidence that productivity is stabilizing. Speaker 300:13:30The lower productivity overall is largely a factor of the macroeconomic environment and our agent growth has more than offset this impact. We look forward to recognizing the full financial impact resulting from the large influx of agents we experienced in Q1. Despite heightened growth across the board, we did experience a slight uptick in the number of agents that left our platform. Our revenue churn, which we define as the dollar amount generated by churned agents over the prior two quarters, rose to 4.3% compared to 2.4 Meanwhile, our agent churn increased to 8.3% from 4.4% in Q4. However, part of the uptick is related to previously announced increases to certain fees paid by our agents that resulted in some agents choosing to leave the platform. Speaker 300:14:19While this is regrettable, I want to reiterate that we made these changes with extensive input from our agents and the churn we experienced as a result This effectively contained to just 2 notable teams and occurred primarily in January February. Additionally, This is a seasonal component to churn and some of this is related to what is happening more broadly in the industry, even as our platform growth more than offsets it. Nevertheless, we monitor this closely and are actively working to improve our training programs to better reduce churn. Shifting over to OpEx. Our total operating costs for the quarter, including revenue share, were $17,800,000 This represents 16.5% of revenue compared with 16.4% in Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:15:07Our operating expenses per transaction, excluding revenue share, which is a core component of our agent incentives, declined 5% year We continue to be laser focused on optimizing our already efficient cost structure given industry headwinds and in line with our goal of reaching positive adjusted EBITDA in Q2 of this year, as Tamir had mentioned. Our revenue share, which is our largest single operating cost, was $5,400,000 or 5% of revenue for the quarter compared to 4.4% However, the revenue share expense per agent was 5.43, down 9% from 5.94 in This expense is highly sensitive to the growth of our agent base and specifically the growth of productive sponsorship Trees as our sponsoring agents are highly incentivized to nurture the agents in their downline to unlock the program tiers. We treat this as a marketing expense, but note that we believe the benefit of our sponsorship structure not only helps attract new agents, but also drives retention and higher productivity across our platforms. Our headcount efficiency ratio, which we define as full time brokerage employees, excluding RealTitle and Lemon Brew employees, divided by the number of agents that are currently on our platform, Continued to improve, rising to around 1 to 114 from 1 to 98 as of Q4. Speaker 300:16:40The upcoming rollout of our virtual assistant LEO is expected to help drive this ratio higher. As expected, our transaction processing team continues to execute on further improvements at scale. Our 9 employees supporting this function processed nearly 11,000 transactions that closed on our platform during the quarter We believe these metrics best highlight the efficiency and scalability of our platform that is made We believe this is ultimately one of the biggest competitive advantages for our business and this will become even more apparent as we continue to scale. Real's net loss for the quarter was $7,400,000 Compared to $4,300,000 in Q1 of 2022, translating to a loss per share of $0.04 compared to a $0.03 loss per share for the same period in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA loss for the quarter was reported at $792,000 compared to a $577,000 loss in Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:17:54Note that we revised the methodology for reporting this metric, which now adds back the non cash expense associated with shares allocated to our For more information on the changes and historical impact, Please reference the summary table in our management discussion and analysis report that has been filed and also posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. Turning to our financial position. We had $11,000,000 in unrestricted cash on the balance sheet and an additional $8,500,000 in short term investments to bring our total liquidity to $19,500,000 as of March 31, 2023. This represents a $728,000 increase from Q4. We continue to have no debt and no need to raise debt in the near term. Speaker 300:18:43In conclusion, We expect a strong pickup in our financial results going forward. And as such, we are revising our previously communicated target of reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability in the second half of this year. We now have confidence that we will reach this milestone in the current quarter. This conviction factors in the impact from our new fee structure, our accelerating agent growth, seasonal tailwinds picking up and the operational efficiencies we've built into our platform. We are excited at the growth we experienced over the quarter and are even more This concludes my financial remarks. Speaker 300:19:21I will now ask the operator to open up the line for Q and A. Operator, can you please poll for questions? Operator00:19:28Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. Your first question is coming from Darren Aftahi from ROTH MKM. Your line is live. Speaker 400:19:56Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions and nice job on the results. I have kind of 2 big picture questions here. First, Just the productivity per agent, I think was 2.7 in the quarter, and I think you said people on the platform was 3 year 31, which was flat year on year. Speaker 400:20:17So in light of how poorly some of your peers are doing, I guess my question is, you scaled the business fairly quickly from hundreds of agents to now 10,000. As you scale from 10,000 to 50, how does that productivity measure in Your mind kind of move around and I guess more near term, do you feel like that Transaction per agent number is maybe troughed for the intermediate term. Speaker 500:20:53Hi, Darren. Thank you. I think that as a company, we're focused on production versus just agent count. So I think that Those productivity metrics are sustainable as we grow to tens of thousands of agents. Obviously, there will be a little bit of movement here or there, but I think that those numbers The numbers that we are actually focusing on generally as a company. Speaker 500:21:15So I Expect us to continue and post those this type of productivity per agent just because we are focused Having productive agents on the platform and helping them close deals. Speaker 400:21:31Great. And then could you Just speak to the general macro, at least in some of the bigger markets that you're in and maybe kind of compare the Surely 12 quarters or excuse me, 4 quarters and kind of how the movement in your business, like do you think if I'm hearing you correctly, it sounds like And I know things pick up in the springtime, but aside from that dynamic, the broader macro, do you feel like we bought them, there's Still not enough inventory, like how do you feel in general about the broader macro? Speaker 500:22:08Sure. I think we came into 2023 pretty cautious About the macro environment of the real estate space in general, and what we've seen is that right now, The market has stabilized. I think that we bottomed in the Q4. We are seeing a lot of the same phenomenon that we have seen in the first half of twenty twenty two of bidding wars and multiple offer situations. We're seeing very strong demand in many, many markets. Speaker 500:22:37Obviously, there are some softer markets, but I think that overall, This will be a great spring season for the real estate in general. And then if I can squeeze one Go ahead. Speaker 400:22:50I was just going to ask to squeeze one last one in. Just in light of your comments about EBITDA being Pull forward a quarter on a positive basis. Can you just talk about the attach rate for Thanks. The title today is now Real Title and then Lemon Brew and how that's going to impact, I guess, just the attach rates and how that kind of impacts the profitability of Speaker 100:23:12the business going forward. Thanks. Speaker 500:23:14Sure. At this point, those ancillary services still do not have meaningful contribution to our margins or our revenue in general. In terms of real title, what we're seeing is that we are experiencing great success on the JVs, Those structures that allow our agents to become partners in style company and those JVs, we have about 300 agents at the moment and we see attach rates of Around 70%, which is super high. We are now expanding those JVs to 7 additional states. So we expect real title to continue and grow revenue and Eventually have a meaningful impact on our margins and financials. Speaker 500:23:53But when we talk about the adjusted EBITDA profitability, this is mainly based on The brokerage performance at this point and obviously as mortgage and title kick in, then it will have an even more positive effect. Operator00:24:15Your next question is coming from David Marsh from Singular Research. Your line is live. Speaker 600:24:22Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. First, On the SG and A side, were there any non recurring items in the SG and A line in the quarter? Speaker 300:24:42No. Generally, our OpEx is pretty sustainable quarter over quarter. There were no non recurring items that we've reported. Speaker 600:24:56Okay. Will the cash operating expenses moderate at all throughout the remainder of the year? Or Is this kind of like a new run rate kind of level that we should expect as we're moving forward? Speaker 300:25:15Yes, great question. There's a seasonal component to our OpEx. Typically, the Q1 is higher. So in Q1, it was 16.5 percent of revenue. However, if you look at 2022, our OpEx dipped in Q2 and Q3 to 12% and 11.5%. Speaker 300:25:32So the total for 2023 was 13.5%, and it reflects our operating leverage kicking in throughout the busiest times of the year. We can expect the same trends for 2023. Speaker 600:25:44Perfect. That's really helpful. And then Just with regard to the macro environment and sort of the banking situation in the U. S, Have you guys seen a major pullback by any of the banking Sector in terms of the willingness to lend or is it generally business as usual or Could you talk about I mean, maybe you could even talk about the spread for fixed rate loans over the kind of over the 10 year. It Seems like it's hovering a little bit higher than it historically has and perhaps what might drive that back down Towards like a 200 basis point type spread that we've typically seen. Speaker 500:26:36Sure. I would say that What we're experiencing on the mortgage side or financing side is pretty much business as usual. We haven't seen any pullback from major lenders. We haven't Also seen an uptick in terminated contracts due to problems with financing. I think that buyers have a lot of alternatives Right now, and there's still money out there looking to go into the housing market. Speaker 500:27:00So I think that The banking crisis has not impacted residential real estate yet, at least not for the average buyer, maybe for investors. I think that, sure, I mean, there's more risk and the risk is factored in and this is reflected in the spreads at the moment. But as investors' confidence in real estate comes back and once people understand that real estate is And there's a lot of demand and people are still transacting. I think that those spreads will go back to historically average or normal. So I think that we are not too far from that happening in maybe a few weeks to a few months. Speaker 600:27:44That's really helpful color, Sameer. Appreciate that. Just last one from me, just a quick little housekeeping item. On your CapEx really, really low, only like $140,000 of PP and E purchases in the quarter. Could you give us An expectation for your PPN purchases for the balance of the year, just in terms of your capital budget? Speaker 300:28:12Sure. So the majority of that reflects capitalized R and D expenses throughout our development phase. We don't expect that to increase materially. We can expect the same run rate for the remainder of the year. Speaker 600:28:27Great. That's all for me. Thanks, guys. Speaker 500:28:30Thank you. Operator00:28:39Your next question is coming from Tom White from D. A. Davidson. Your line is live. Speaker 700:28:46This is Wyatt Swanson on for Tom. Thanks for taking our questions. I have one related to the overall agent value proposition. And you drove nearly 1800 agents to the platform this quarter, which is great. But thinking more over the next few years, could you maybe talk about how you anticipate the overall Speaker 500:29:10Sure. Hi, Wyatt. Thank you for the question. I think that overall, when you think about the reasons why agents join us, we can see we can look at a few things. 1 is the favorable economics. Speaker 500:29:222nd is the technology that we offer them and help them run their businesses and streamline transaction. The third is culture, which is very special here and attracts a lot of agents because there's a lot of collaboration versus competition. And The 4th would be financial opportunities. I think that we continuously add more and more value through technology. So just this morning, we announced We have signature, which is a system that allows agents to create document templates and send them for review and signature for their clients, And that saves them a lot of time and money. Speaker 500:29:54We also announced Wheelable rev share, which is the ability for agents to actually Nominate the beneficiary for their revenue rev share component if they have 1. And if something happens to them, then We will continue to pay their family. So we continuously add more and more value to the platform, and I think that, that will continue and resonate with a lot of agents and will continue to help us With growing the agent count on the platform and as we are currently seeing, we are the fastest growing company in the industry. We are the only company that actually posted Revenue growth year over year, and I think that if we look at the coming years, the number of agents will only increase. Speaker 700:30:37Great. Thank you for that color. And then maybe a follow-up on how Real Brokerage can make sure it capitalizes when it comes to the Smaller independent brokerages out there that might be struggling to stay afloat, given the market slowdown, how could you benefit from bringing their business over to your platform? Speaker 500:30:55Good question. And we are, in fact, engaged in a lot of conversations with small and medium sized brokerages, Folks that are closing 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars in volume to over $1,000,000,000 What happens At the moment is that they're closing fewer transactions and they still have a lot of fixed costs and the benefit of joining Real is just providing more value to their agents. We take away Some of their fixed costs, we streamlined their transactions and we just allow them to operate more efficiently. So that drives a lot of Attention and conversations at the moment, and I think that we will continue to onboard more and more brokerages. Obviously, we are not spending money on acquisition of brokerages. Speaker 500:31:36So we do not engage in M and A activity for cash or Equity, we just think that the value proposition will attract them to us and we are actually seeing that in action right now Speaker 700:31:53Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:58Thank you very much. Mr. Li, there appears to be no further questions. Speaker 100:32:04Thank you. If you have any additional questions on today's earnings release, please feel free to contact me directly. Operator, Would you please give the conference call replay instructions once again? Thanks. Operator00:32:15Absolutely. In order to access the replay, you need to call 877 481-four 10 with a confirmation code of 48,269. Once again, the phone number is 877-481-4010 with confirmation code of 48,200 69. The replay will be available at 2 pm Eastern today. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Operator00:32:45YouRead morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBridgeBio Pharma Q1 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K) BridgeBio Pharma Earnings HeadlinesFY2025 EPS Estimates for FormFactor Lifted by Zacks ResearchApril 15, 2025 | americanbankingnews.comIs FormFactor, Inc. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Real Brokerage First Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode, and we will open the floor for your questions and comments after the presentation. I will now turn the call over to Jason Lee, Vice President of Capital Markets and Investor Relations at The Real brokerage. Sir, the floor is yours. Speaker 100:00:22Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Real's Q1 2023 earnings call. With me on the call today are Tamir Pollig, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Michelle Ressler, our Chief Financial Officer. This morning, we will file the financial statements and management discussion and analysis for the Q1 ended March 31, 2023 on SEDAR and EDGAR. These documents, along with the accompanying earnings press release, can be found on both SEDAR and EDGAR. Before I turn the call over to Tamir, I'd like to remind everyone that the company will be making statements about its future results and other forward looking statements during this call. Speaker 100:00:59Our actual results may differ materially from these Forward looking statements and the risk factors that could cause these differences are detailed in our Canadian continuous disclosure documents and SEC reports. Rheal disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward looking statements except as expressly required by law. Now with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Tamir Polleg. Tamir, please proceed. Speaker 200:01:25Good morning, and thank you, Jason. Q1 of 2023 was a tough quarter for our industry once again, with elevated mortgage rates continuing to weigh on affordability for buyers and U. S. Home sales down 26% year over year and 16% quarter over quarter. Against this difficult backdrop, We're pleased to announce that we will continue to see exceptionally strong growth. Speaker 200:01:46Our revenue for the quarter was $108,000,000 a 75% year over year increase and a 12% sequential growth from the prior quarter. January tends to be the slowest month in real estate and we are pleased to report a Strong consecutive revenue increase in both February March. Driving this revenue was our accelerating agent attraction. During the quarter, our agent base grew to just over 10,000 agents, a 120% year over year increase. This represents a nearly 1800 net addition, the largest increase in our company's history. Speaker 200:02:23In fact, we've seen an impressive acceleration in agents choosing to join our platform with nearly 1500 agents added in Q4 and 1100 in Q3. This growth drove an improvement in transaction volume despite productivity levels that are affected by challenging housing market. Total transaction sites improved 75% year over year to 10,963. These results come during a difficult period for agents across the country as evidenced by shrinking agent bases at many other brokerages. What's clear to us is that our agent attraction model is working and our technology and value proposition is resonating with agents that want to be successful. Speaker 200:03:04We're seeing this anecdotally in the conversation we have with our agents and prospects, and ultimately, we're seeing it in a number of agents that are making the choice to join our platform. Our gain in market share has not gone unnoticed. I'm proud to report that we were recently recognized as a top brokerage by Real Trends, T360, Reef Media and HousingWire. We have been working hard to build a tech powered brokerage where agents are excited to join and thrive. Our inclusion in this ranking highlights the pace of growth we have experienced in just a few short years, and we are pleased to have been recognized for our achievements. Speaker 200:03:40On the geographic expansion front, we launched operations in Delaware in May, which strengthened our presence in the Mid Atlantic region and brings our total state count to 46. Also in May, we expanded into Manitoba in Canada, growing our total presence in the country to 4 provinces, including Alberta, Ontario and British Columbia. Back in December, we announced the addition of Sharan Srivatsa as President of the company. He is focused on all aspects of growth, including agent attraction and education. In April, we hosted our 1st RealX Annual Virtual Summit, a 2 day agent event led by Sharang that assembled our industry's best thought leaders and inspired thousands of We also announced our 2nd annual agent conference called RISE, which is scheduled for October 22 to 24 in San Diego, California. Speaker 200:04:29Now to touch on some new products and initiatives we're excited about. The home buying experience has been a focus for us in recent quarters. We understand that the future of real estate lies in taking this very complex process of buying a home and wrapping it into a single well crafted easy to understand product. As part of bringing this vision to life, we will be launching an initial limited beta version of our consumer facing app in a few weeks, focusing on streamlining the mortgage application process. In a few days, we will also be launching FAST 14, a program that provides homebuyers with guarantee that they will be clear to close on their mortgage within 14 days of submitting their mortgage application. Speaker 200:05:07We believe that the certainty provided by this program as well as the speed to close will be attractive to many buyers. We expect Fast 14 to be embedded into our Consumer facing app later this year. We pride ourselves on our nimble development culture, which is why we immediately recognize A new AI virtual assistant that will be fully integrated into our recent transaction management platform that will answer agent questions in real time 20 fourseven, leveraging Real's extensive proprietary knowledge base to create a completely customized experience. This will save time for our agents and make our already lean support team even more efficient, which fundamentally aligns with our core philosophy of becoming the premier brokerage by providing scalable solution for our agents. We expect to roll out an initial version for testing by the end of Q2. Speaker 200:06:06We are also happy to announce on this call that today we have launched RealSignature to all of our agents, a proprietary Electronic signature tool built fully inside of Reason. This feature will benefit agents by allowing them to save time by creating document templates for future transaction and to save money by avoiding 3rd party subscription fees. Further, by developing this tool in house, we will also own all of the data associated with the transaction Yes, which we can leverage to better automate the transaction process and create better user experiences over the long term. It is an important building block of the one stop shop consumer product we are developing. Subsequent to the end of the quarter, on April 4, We announced Century Residential merged its military focused national brokerage into Real, adding to Real's existing 500 plus military focused agents. Speaker 200:07:00We all plan to leverage our growing presence to launch a real military division, the first of several planned divisions of practice. This is a great milestone for the company as we create a specialized pillar of our community to focus on military veterans and their clients. On our prior earnings call, we were optimistic that Q4 was the bottom for us given record open transaction volume on our platform in early 2023. As of today, our open transaction volume has reached new records once again as we enter the seasonally busiest time of the year in our industry. As a result, we are confident that tremendous market share growth and the recently announced changes to our model will have a growing impact on our financials. Speaker 200:07:42We believe this will have an even more significant effect as per agent productivity accelerates with increased macro environment stabilization as our platform now boasts considerably more agents. We remain focused on aggressively gaining strong market share by providing the best Ecosystem for agents. Given our accelerating performance and the progress witnessed thus far this quarter, we now expect to reach Our goal of becoming adjusted EBITDA profitable in Q2 earlier than our prior target of reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability in the second half of twenty twenty three. As we scale our title and mortgage businesses, we continue to lay the foundations for an industry changing consumer experience and will begin testing initial versions of a consumer focused application with a select group of agents and clients early in the second half of twenty twenty three that will feature mortgage pre approval. While we anticipate that it will take another year to iterate to a Full consumer facing product, we want to prioritize growing sustainably while executing our long term vision. Speaker 200:08:46And with that, I'll turn it over to Michelle for the financial update. Speaker 300:08:51Thank you, Tamira, and thank you, everyone, for joining us. I'll start by reviewing some of our key financial results For the quarter ended March 31, the total value of homes transacted over our platform reached $4,000,000,000 which represents a 66% increase compared to the same period in 2022. The total number of transactions on our during the quarter increased to 10,963, a 75% year over year increase. The median sale price of properties sold by our agents was $350,000 which represents a modest 1.4% increase compared to Q1 2022. As Timur mentioned, while many other brokerages in our industry are struggling, We are pleased with the impressive growth we are witnessing. Speaker 300:09:39Revenue increased to $108,000,000 a 75% increase compared with Q1 2022. Meanwhile, gross profit increased 84% year over year to $10,800,000 Our gross margin expanded to 10%, up from 9.5% in Q1 2022. The increase was driven by a continued drop in the percentage of agents that have reached The cap, which is a result of the generally lower market activity compared to prior periods. As of March 31, 2023, 8.2% of our agents had exceeded their cap, down from 8.9% at the end of 2022. The capped cohort represented 43% of Commission revenue in Q1 compared to 44% in Q4 of 2022. Speaker 300:10:24The improved margin Also reflects our agent growth and some initial impacts from the increased fee structure. As a reminder, we increased our U. S. Fees for new agents beginning on February 1 and for existing agents on April 1. The majority of these changes will begin to impact our financials more materially beginning in Q2. Speaker 300:10:44Looking at the geographies we operate in, 8.2% of our U. S. Agents ended the quarter with cap status, down marginally from 8.5% in Q4. Our Canadian CAC agents experienced a more meaningful drop with 7.9% ending the quarter with CAC status versus 14.1% at the end of Q4. We believe this reflects the more acute downturn in the Canadian residential real estate market. Speaker 300:11:08Canadian residential sales activity in Q1 was 38% lower and average sale price was 17% lower year over year according to the Canadian Real Estate Association. This compares with a 26% volume and 1% drop to U. S. Existing home sales figures over the same period as reported by the National Association of Realtors. However, Canada represents just 9% of our agents, up slightly from 8% as of Q4. Speaker 300:11:32Canada represented 11% of commission revenue in Q1, a decline compared to Our highest earning elite agents at the end of the quarter declined 2.5% of our agent base compared to 0.9% in the prior quarter. These agents are responsible for generating 8.5 percent of total commission revenue, down notably from 12.7%. The requirements to achieve and maintain elite status are reserved for our most Productive agents and a sustained period of market weakness is evident in this down climb. Overall, we believe Real continues to be the winning solution for productive agents looking to be as In Q1, 59% of our commission revenue was generated by our agents representing the buy 36% was on the sell side and 5% was from dual agency representation. This is essentially unchanged from the same quarter in 2021 and does not include Revenue that we book related to agent referrals, which accounts for approximately 2% of the overall total. Speaker 300:12:38Commission revenue per productive agent, a core measure of agent productivity, moderated to 26,000 in Q1 from 27,200 in Q4 And 29,400 in Q1 of 2022. The number of transactions closed by this cohort eased to 2.7 from 2.8 in Q4 And 3 in Q1 of 2022. To strip out the effect of new agents joining, we also track the commission revenue per productive agent already on our platforms at the beginning of the This is similar to the same store sales figure reported by the retail industry. For these existing agents, The average commission revenue in Q1 was 29,800 compared to 30,300 in Q4. And the number of transactions closed by the existing agent cohort held steady quarter over quarter at 3.1, which gives us confidence that productivity is stabilizing. Speaker 300:13:30The lower productivity overall is largely a factor of the macroeconomic environment and our agent growth has more than offset this impact. We look forward to recognizing the full financial impact resulting from the large influx of agents we experienced in Q1. Despite heightened growth across the board, we did experience a slight uptick in the number of agents that left our platform. Our revenue churn, which we define as the dollar amount generated by churned agents over the prior two quarters, rose to 4.3% compared to 2.4 Meanwhile, our agent churn increased to 8.3% from 4.4% in Q4. However, part of the uptick is related to previously announced increases to certain fees paid by our agents that resulted in some agents choosing to leave the platform. Speaker 300:14:19While this is regrettable, I want to reiterate that we made these changes with extensive input from our agents and the churn we experienced as a result This effectively contained to just 2 notable teams and occurred primarily in January February. Additionally, This is a seasonal component to churn and some of this is related to what is happening more broadly in the industry, even as our platform growth more than offsets it. Nevertheless, we monitor this closely and are actively working to improve our training programs to better reduce churn. Shifting over to OpEx. Our total operating costs for the quarter, including revenue share, were $17,800,000 This represents 16.5% of revenue compared with 16.4% in Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:15:07Our operating expenses per transaction, excluding revenue share, which is a core component of our agent incentives, declined 5% year We continue to be laser focused on optimizing our already efficient cost structure given industry headwinds and in line with our goal of reaching positive adjusted EBITDA in Q2 of this year, as Tamir had mentioned. Our revenue share, which is our largest single operating cost, was $5,400,000 or 5% of revenue for the quarter compared to 4.4% However, the revenue share expense per agent was 5.43, down 9% from 5.94 in This expense is highly sensitive to the growth of our agent base and specifically the growth of productive sponsorship Trees as our sponsoring agents are highly incentivized to nurture the agents in their downline to unlock the program tiers. We treat this as a marketing expense, but note that we believe the benefit of our sponsorship structure not only helps attract new agents, but also drives retention and higher productivity across our platforms. Our headcount efficiency ratio, which we define as full time brokerage employees, excluding RealTitle and Lemon Brew employees, divided by the number of agents that are currently on our platform, Continued to improve, rising to around 1 to 114 from 1 to 98 as of Q4. Speaker 300:16:40The upcoming rollout of our virtual assistant LEO is expected to help drive this ratio higher. As expected, our transaction processing team continues to execute on further improvements at scale. Our 9 employees supporting this function processed nearly 11,000 transactions that closed on our platform during the quarter We believe these metrics best highlight the efficiency and scalability of our platform that is made We believe this is ultimately one of the biggest competitive advantages for our business and this will become even more apparent as we continue to scale. Real's net loss for the quarter was $7,400,000 Compared to $4,300,000 in Q1 of 2022, translating to a loss per share of $0.04 compared to a $0.03 loss per share for the same period in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA loss for the quarter was reported at $792,000 compared to a $577,000 loss in Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:17:54Note that we revised the methodology for reporting this metric, which now adds back the non cash expense associated with shares allocated to our For more information on the changes and historical impact, Please reference the summary table in our management discussion and analysis report that has been filed and also posted on the Investor Relations section of our website. Turning to our financial position. We had $11,000,000 in unrestricted cash on the balance sheet and an additional $8,500,000 in short term investments to bring our total liquidity to $19,500,000 as of March 31, 2023. This represents a $728,000 increase from Q4. We continue to have no debt and no need to raise debt in the near term. Speaker 300:18:43In conclusion, We expect a strong pickup in our financial results going forward. And as such, we are revising our previously communicated target of reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability in the second half of this year. We now have confidence that we will reach this milestone in the current quarter. This conviction factors in the impact from our new fee structure, our accelerating agent growth, seasonal tailwinds picking up and the operational efficiencies we've built into our platform. We are excited at the growth we experienced over the quarter and are even more This concludes my financial remarks. Speaker 300:19:21I will now ask the operator to open up the line for Q and A. Operator, can you please poll for questions? Operator00:19:28Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. Your first question is coming from Darren Aftahi from ROTH MKM. Your line is live. Speaker 400:19:56Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions and nice job on the results. I have kind of 2 big picture questions here. First, Just the productivity per agent, I think was 2.7 in the quarter, and I think you said people on the platform was 3 year 31, which was flat year on year. Speaker 400:20:17So in light of how poorly some of your peers are doing, I guess my question is, you scaled the business fairly quickly from hundreds of agents to now 10,000. As you scale from 10,000 to 50, how does that productivity measure in Your mind kind of move around and I guess more near term, do you feel like that Transaction per agent number is maybe troughed for the intermediate term. Speaker 500:20:53Hi, Darren. Thank you. I think that as a company, we're focused on production versus just agent count. So I think that Those productivity metrics are sustainable as we grow to tens of thousands of agents. Obviously, there will be a little bit of movement here or there, but I think that those numbers The numbers that we are actually focusing on generally as a company. Speaker 500:21:15So I Expect us to continue and post those this type of productivity per agent just because we are focused Having productive agents on the platform and helping them close deals. Speaker 400:21:31Great. And then could you Just speak to the general macro, at least in some of the bigger markets that you're in and maybe kind of compare the Surely 12 quarters or excuse me, 4 quarters and kind of how the movement in your business, like do you think if I'm hearing you correctly, it sounds like And I know things pick up in the springtime, but aside from that dynamic, the broader macro, do you feel like we bought them, there's Still not enough inventory, like how do you feel in general about the broader macro? Speaker 500:22:08Sure. I think we came into 2023 pretty cautious About the macro environment of the real estate space in general, and what we've seen is that right now, The market has stabilized. I think that we bottomed in the Q4. We are seeing a lot of the same phenomenon that we have seen in the first half of twenty twenty two of bidding wars and multiple offer situations. We're seeing very strong demand in many, many markets. Speaker 500:22:37Obviously, there are some softer markets, but I think that overall, This will be a great spring season for the real estate in general. And then if I can squeeze one Go ahead. Speaker 400:22:50I was just going to ask to squeeze one last one in. Just in light of your comments about EBITDA being Pull forward a quarter on a positive basis. Can you just talk about the attach rate for Thanks. The title today is now Real Title and then Lemon Brew and how that's going to impact, I guess, just the attach rates and how that kind of impacts the profitability of Speaker 100:23:12the business going forward. Thanks. Speaker 500:23:14Sure. At this point, those ancillary services still do not have meaningful contribution to our margins or our revenue in general. In terms of real title, what we're seeing is that we are experiencing great success on the JVs, Those structures that allow our agents to become partners in style company and those JVs, we have about 300 agents at the moment and we see attach rates of Around 70%, which is super high. We are now expanding those JVs to 7 additional states. So we expect real title to continue and grow revenue and Eventually have a meaningful impact on our margins and financials. Speaker 500:23:53But when we talk about the adjusted EBITDA profitability, this is mainly based on The brokerage performance at this point and obviously as mortgage and title kick in, then it will have an even more positive effect. Operator00:24:15Your next question is coming from David Marsh from Singular Research. Your line is live. Speaker 600:24:22Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. First, On the SG and A side, were there any non recurring items in the SG and A line in the quarter? Speaker 300:24:42No. Generally, our OpEx is pretty sustainable quarter over quarter. There were no non recurring items that we've reported. Speaker 600:24:56Okay. Will the cash operating expenses moderate at all throughout the remainder of the year? Or Is this kind of like a new run rate kind of level that we should expect as we're moving forward? Speaker 300:25:15Yes, great question. There's a seasonal component to our OpEx. Typically, the Q1 is higher. So in Q1, it was 16.5 percent of revenue. However, if you look at 2022, our OpEx dipped in Q2 and Q3 to 12% and 11.5%. Speaker 300:25:32So the total for 2023 was 13.5%, and it reflects our operating leverage kicking in throughout the busiest times of the year. We can expect the same trends for 2023. Speaker 600:25:44Perfect. That's really helpful. And then Just with regard to the macro environment and sort of the banking situation in the U. S, Have you guys seen a major pullback by any of the banking Sector in terms of the willingness to lend or is it generally business as usual or Could you talk about I mean, maybe you could even talk about the spread for fixed rate loans over the kind of over the 10 year. It Seems like it's hovering a little bit higher than it historically has and perhaps what might drive that back down Towards like a 200 basis point type spread that we've typically seen. Speaker 500:26:36Sure. I would say that What we're experiencing on the mortgage side or financing side is pretty much business as usual. We haven't seen any pullback from major lenders. We haven't Also seen an uptick in terminated contracts due to problems with financing. I think that buyers have a lot of alternatives Right now, and there's still money out there looking to go into the housing market. Speaker 500:27:00So I think that The banking crisis has not impacted residential real estate yet, at least not for the average buyer, maybe for investors. I think that, sure, I mean, there's more risk and the risk is factored in and this is reflected in the spreads at the moment. But as investors' confidence in real estate comes back and once people understand that real estate is And there's a lot of demand and people are still transacting. I think that those spreads will go back to historically average or normal. So I think that we are not too far from that happening in maybe a few weeks to a few months. Speaker 600:27:44That's really helpful color, Sameer. Appreciate that. Just last one from me, just a quick little housekeeping item. On your CapEx really, really low, only like $140,000 of PP and E purchases in the quarter. Could you give us An expectation for your PPN purchases for the balance of the year, just in terms of your capital budget? Speaker 300:28:12Sure. So the majority of that reflects capitalized R and D expenses throughout our development phase. We don't expect that to increase materially. We can expect the same run rate for the remainder of the year. Speaker 600:28:27Great. That's all for me. Thanks, guys. Speaker 500:28:30Thank you. Operator00:28:39Your next question is coming from Tom White from D. A. Davidson. Your line is live. Speaker 700:28:46This is Wyatt Swanson on for Tom. Thanks for taking our questions. I have one related to the overall agent value proposition. And you drove nearly 1800 agents to the platform this quarter, which is great. But thinking more over the next few years, could you maybe talk about how you anticipate the overall Speaker 500:29:10Sure. Hi, Wyatt. Thank you for the question. I think that overall, when you think about the reasons why agents join us, we can see we can look at a few things. 1 is the favorable economics. Speaker 500:29:222nd is the technology that we offer them and help them run their businesses and streamline transaction. The third is culture, which is very special here and attracts a lot of agents because there's a lot of collaboration versus competition. And The 4th would be financial opportunities. I think that we continuously add more and more value through technology. So just this morning, we announced We have signature, which is a system that allows agents to create document templates and send them for review and signature for their clients, And that saves them a lot of time and money. Speaker 500:29:54We also announced Wheelable rev share, which is the ability for agents to actually Nominate the beneficiary for their revenue rev share component if they have 1. And if something happens to them, then We will continue to pay their family. So we continuously add more and more value to the platform, and I think that, that will continue and resonate with a lot of agents and will continue to help us With growing the agent count on the platform and as we are currently seeing, we are the fastest growing company in the industry. We are the only company that actually posted Revenue growth year over year, and I think that if we look at the coming years, the number of agents will only increase. Speaker 700:30:37Great. Thank you for that color. And then maybe a follow-up on how Real Brokerage can make sure it capitalizes when it comes to the Smaller independent brokerages out there that might be struggling to stay afloat, given the market slowdown, how could you benefit from bringing their business over to your platform? Speaker 500:30:55Good question. And we are, in fact, engaged in a lot of conversations with small and medium sized brokerages, Folks that are closing 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars in volume to over $1,000,000,000 What happens At the moment is that they're closing fewer transactions and they still have a lot of fixed costs and the benefit of joining Real is just providing more value to their agents. We take away Some of their fixed costs, we streamlined their transactions and we just allow them to operate more efficiently. So that drives a lot of Attention and conversations at the moment, and I think that we will continue to onboard more and more brokerages. Obviously, we are not spending money on acquisition of brokerages. Speaker 500:31:36So we do not engage in M and A activity for cash or Equity, we just think that the value proposition will attract them to us and we are actually seeing that in action right now Speaker 700:31:53Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:58Thank you very much. Mr. Li, there appears to be no further questions. Speaker 100:32:04Thank you. If you have any additional questions on today's earnings release, please feel free to contact me directly. Operator, Would you please give the conference call replay instructions once again? Thanks. Operator00:32:15Absolutely. In order to access the replay, you need to call 877 481-four 10 with a confirmation code of 48,269. Once again, the phone number is 877-481-4010 with confirmation code of 48,200 69. The replay will be available at 2 pm Eastern today. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. Operator00:32:45YouRead morePowered by