Toro Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 18, 2023

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

And welcome to the Lightspeed 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a Q and A

Speaker 1

session.

Operator

A I would now like to turn the call over to Gus Papageorgeau. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

A Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Lightspeed's fiscal Q4 2023 conference call. A. Joining me today are JP Chauvet, Lightspeed's Chief Executive Officer and Ashraf Ghshani, our Chief Financial Officer. A.

Speaker 2

After prepared remarks, we will open it up for your questions. We will make forward looking statements on our call today that are subject to risks and uncertainties a discussion that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Certain material factors and assumptions were applied in respect of conclusions, a forecast and projections contained in these statements. We undertake no obligation to update these statements except as required by law. A question.

Speaker 2

You should carefully review these factors, assumptions, risks and uncertainties in our earnings press release issued earlier today. Our Q4 2023 results presentation available on our website as well as in our filings with U. S. And Canadian Securities Regulators. A.

Speaker 2

Also, our commentary today will include adjusted financial measures, which are non IFRS measures and ratios. These should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for IFRS financial measures. Reconciliations between the two can be found in our earnings press release, a call, which is available on our website on sedar.com and on the SEC's EDGAR system. And finally, note that because we report in U. S.

Speaker 2

Dollars, all amounts a discussion of today are in U. S. Dollars unless otherwise indicated. With that, I will now turn the call over to JP.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Gus, and welcome, everyone. Thanks for joining us this morning. Overall, I was very happy with our results this quarter. A Revenue grew in line with our outlook. We achieved an organic revenue growth rate of 26%.

Speaker 3

Our GPV volumes were up by 70% year over year And our adjusted EBITDA loss of $4,300,000 came in significantly better than expected. As we enter fiscal 2024, Let me walk you through how we see this year unfolding. Since we went public on the Toronto Stock Exchange in 2019, We have been laser focused on becoming the go to platform for sophisticated retailers and restauranteurs around the world. A. Delivering on the strategy meant building our payments platform from ground up.

Speaker 3

It meant making key strategic acquisitions. A it meant honing on our sales and marketing organization to better target higher GTV customers. And earlier this year, a it meant reorganizing how we operate to become a more nimble and streamlined company. I would say that we have spent the last 4 years establishing the foundations of this formidable company. And now fiscal 2024 will be our year of execution.

Speaker 3

As we look to better align ourselves to the rule of 40 metrics, this fiscal year Lightspeed expects to 1, a reap the benefits of having our 1 LightSpeed flagship product in market. We expect this to show up as an increased platform adoption among high GTV merchants, higher ARPU and more efficient and rapid product innovation 2, accelerate revenue growth from financial services, including both a Lightspeed Payments and Lightspeed Capital 3, continue building products that solve our customers' problems and help grow their businesses, particularly with our supplier network and 4, accomplish our goal of becoming adjusted EBITDA breakeven or better for the full fiscal year. A In terms of One Lightspeed, I'm really happy to report that we have achieved our goal of going to market with our 2 flagship products, Lightspeed Retail and Lightspeed Restaurants by the end of fiscal 2023. A In fact, at the end of Q4, 70% of new customer locations were on these flagship platforms a and with very few exceptions, our entire go to market team is now exclusively selling these two products. These industry leading platforms are the best we've ever shipped and offer our merchants unique features that help simplify and scale their businesses.

Speaker 3

We've seen their added value reflected directly in our customer wins this quarter. A few examples. In retail, we're pleased to welcome Eastern National, an entity that operates 127 locations across America's national parks. We're also thrilled to call Apricot Lane one of our own. With 150 locations, this California based women's fashion franchise we'll be using our flagship offering with payments in 12 of their locations with plans to roll out across the entire network.

Speaker 3

A I'm super excited to announce a 4 year contract extension with Saks Fifth Avenue for our B2B platform, which Saks uses to automate their ordering and curating activities. A In the world of hospitality, we were honored to sign 2 locations from Joel Robuchon Group, 1 in Morocco and 1 in their newest concepts in Monaco. A. The Joel Robichon Group maintains more Mission Star Restaurants than any other organization in the world. We also welcomed Rosie O'Grady's, one of the busiest restaurants in New York Times Square and Locanda Locatelli, a Michelin Star restaurant located in a 5 star Churchill Hotel in London.

Speaker 3

A Both of these customers adopted LightSpeed restaurants with payments. We're also thrilled that Sandals all inclusive Caribbean resort in Jamaica, St. Lucia and the Bahamas join the Lightspeed family. The road to 1 Lightspeed was challenging, but rewarding. Now that we're focused on 2 platforms instead of 9, Lightspeed is able to dedicate efforts to achieving more rapid innovation and more focused go to market output, Which gives me confidence that we'll continue to grow our high GTV customer base.

Speaker 3

Speaking of which, this quarter alone, we delivered several key product features. A We enabled self serve capital advances in our flagship products and expanded the offering to several new geographies, including the UK and New Zealand. A In hospitality, we brought even more value to our U. S. Customers with new features such as tip management and enhanced APIs, a But I'm most excited about the launch of Tap to Pay on iPhone.

Speaker 3

This removes the need for expensive payment terminals and allows restaurants to serve their customers better a turn tables faster. Our customers are thrilled with these features, which we believe is unmatched by our competition. A In retail, we went up market with new features that facilitate repairs and installations, make it easier than ever for merchants to streamline their business. With our service modules, retailers can now create, schedule, track and sell services offering within the Lightspeed Retail. And we continue to roll out our payments to all paid e commerce standalone customers in the U.

Speaker 3

S. With plans to expand into Canada in Q2. A. Moving on to our financial services. It's been 4 years since we launched our initial Lightspeed Payments offering for retail customers in the U.

Speaker 3

S. And in that time, we've evolved into an exceptional global payments platform now available across 3 continents. Today, we've reached a point where if we want to provide our a the best possible experience to scale their businesses. It is important for us to think about payments and POS platform as one unified product. A We have heard from our merchants that they have seen noticeable uplift in their business operations when they use our entire suite of tools.

Speaker 3

That's why we launched Unified Payments and POS earlier this month. Moving forward, both new and existing customers we'll be asked to sign up for one cohesive and comprehensive product offering where Lightspeed Payments is embedded directly into their POS. A For new customers globally, this change is immediate. For existing customers, this change will roll out gradually, starting with our retail customers in North America, then expanding to hospitality and across all regions globally throughout the year. We've spent considerable time understanding how best to streamlined the onboarding process and have made it as easy and compelling as possible by offering free hardware, free installation, competitive rates a contract buyouts where necessary.

Speaker 3

In North America, LightSpeed Payments delivers lower rates than competing solutions the vast majority of the time, giving me confidence that we can save our customers' money, but we also want to deliver a better service. One example a discussion of this is the fact that Lightspeed will now offer North American customers cash deposits within one business day, in contrast to some competitors typically taking twice as long. Merchants who currently use our embedded payments and POS platforms have shown us the value we have added to their business. It saves them time and money, eliminates the need to reconcile separate systems, improves accuracies, a reduces manual tasks and gives them far better data insights into their business. It's clear to us that trying to use our modern software platform with legacy payment systems and outdated terminals hold them back and limits their experience they provide to their own customers.

Speaker 3

I think it's important to understand How much our customers love Lightspeed Payments. So here's some direct feedback from Silo and Crate, one of our restaurant customers in the UK.

Speaker 4

Having an integrated payment and TILSCREEN system revolutionized the speed of service we could do. And the time saved on the transaction period a

Speaker 5

And I think our busiest day, we ended up making 10% more on our record than we had before, which was a

Speaker 4

weekly, I used to have to spend 3 hours between different reports from payment terminals and till terminals. A

Speaker 3

There is no better endorsement than a happy customer. A. Asha will take you through the numbers behind this rollout, but first let me reiterate that with our unified payments and POS offering, We expect to accelerate our GPV as a percentage of GTV during fiscal 2024. This year, We also expect to continue to grow our capital business. Lightspeed Capital is now easier to access and more widely available.

Speaker 3

A self serve capital is embedded directly into our products and has been expanded to more and more countries. We also have a sales team dedicated to increasing awareness with customers. Capital continues to be one of our highest gross margin businesses, even surpassing software and still maintains very low default rates. A. Many of you have expressed interest in our Lightspeed Supplier Network strategy, which connects our merchants with brands and consumers.

Speaker 3

A Lightfleet's supplier network is our key strategic initiative and represents one of the most significant R and D investments. A Our supplier network will fundamentally revolutionize the retail industry and completely distinguish us from the competition. The ability to search for products, enter orders and automatically upload inventory from POS will save our merchants time and money. These features are currently rolled out to hundreds of customers a And we have received exceptional feedback on our efforts so far. Although we will not see any direct financial contributions from Lightspeed Supplier Network this year, We do expect it will improve our close rates and lower customer acquisition costs.

Speaker 3

I look forward to keeping you updated on this initiative throughout the year. A. I also believe we have significant opportunity to use AI and machine learning to improve our service offerings. To date, AI has helped LightSpeed to reduce costs and better serve our customers. A lot of our customer chat flows are driven by AI.

Speaker 3

We have the ability to translate customer requests from any language into English and respond in a native language, a Meaning we can service our European customers from lower cost regions. In product development, we are evaluating the use of AI to drive better efficiency in programming and lower costs. In the future, we are experimenting with using AI to help customers in creative ways a by generating menus and item descriptions. We have a very large transactional dataset and we plan to use this to help our customers become more successful. A We expect to be beneficiaries of AI and we'll continue to explore how we can use it in other parts of the business to complement the exceptional work our teams are doing.

Speaker 3

A In terms of profitability, last year, we committed to being adjusted EBITDA breakeven or better in our fiscal 2024. I cannot stress this enough. A Lightspeed will meet this goal in fiscal 2024. As I said earlier this year, it's about execution and we intend to place this company in a position that highlights the sheer potential of our business model, while still investing in our growth opportunities. A I will now turn the call over to Asha to take us through the quarterly results and provide outlook.

Speaker 1

A Thanks, JP. I'm pleased to announce that Lightspeed was able to deliver revenue in line with our previously established outlook a and an adjusted EBITDA loss better than expected. I'm going to provide a recap of the quarter, discuss the expected financial impact a discussion of our unified payments and POS launch and then provide an outlook for the upcoming quarter and full year. Given there were no acquisitions in this quarter a or the prior year comparable, all growth numbers I will quote are organic. In the interest of time, I will focus most of my comments on the quarter a versus the full fiscal year.

Speaker 1

But overall, for fiscal 2023, Lightspeed delivered revenues of $730,500,000 an increase of 33% year over year. On a constant currency basis, revenues were $743,400,000 increasing 36% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA loss came in at $33,900,000 And despite the impact of challenges and uncertainty in the macroeconomic environment, for fiscal 2023, we had an annual net retention rate of approximately 110%. One of the highlights of our 4th quarter is our progress towards adjusted EBITDA profitability. We saw subscription gross margins improve to multi quarter highs, transaction based gross margins stabilized, and we were more disciplined with hardware subsidies.

Speaker 1

A In addition, we began to see the benefits of the recent restructuring. And now that we're focused on 2 core products, I expect we will recognize further cost savings, which we can use to invest in accelerating our product innovation. In the quarter, revenue came in at $184,200,000 an increase of 26% year over year and in line with our previously established outlook. On a constant currency basis, revenues increased 27%. A Subscription and transaction based revenues grew by 28% or 30% on a constant currency basis.

Speaker 1

A Subscription revenue increased 8% year over year to $76,200,000 and 11% on a constant currency basis. A Gross margins on subscription revenue increased to 75%, the highest in over 2 years, thanks to a dedicated effort to consolidate cloud vendors an improved overall efficiency. Transaction based revenue grew 49% to $99,600,000 In the quarter, we saw gross payment volumes increase 70% year over year to $3,800,000,000 a as a greater portion of our GTV went through our Lightspeed Payments platform. Expanding our payments offering to more locations and industries helped offset the weakness we saw in certain retail verticals. Because of the growing number of customers on payments, coupled with a strong quarter in hospitality, a We saw healthy growth in payments revenue.

Speaker 1

In Q4, gross payments volume as a percent of GTV came in at 19% a versus 13% in March of fiscal 2022. Gross margins for transaction based revenue came in at 33%, flat to the previous quarter and down only slightly year over year. LightSpeed Capital had its strongest quarter yet a which excludes the impact of share based compensation came in at 48%, a slight increase from the previous quarter and roughly flat to last year. A. Adjusted gross profit dollars came in at $87,800,000 an increase of 22% year over year.

Speaker 1

A Despite the growing proportion of payments revenue, Lightspeed was able to maintain its gross margin, given improving subscription margin a significant growth in capital, which carries gross margins of over 90%. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter came in at a loss of $4,300,000 a This is much improved from a loss of $19,700,000 in the same quarter last year. This improvement is the result of our continued focus on prudent spend across our organization, including the efficiencies we identified and implemented through actions like our reorganization a delay in our Q4. We had an adjusted loss of $400,000 versus a loss of $22,900,000 last year, Thanks largely to the improvement in the items driving our adjusted EBITDA loss performance and growing interest income in the quarter, which increased by approximately $8,000,000 from a year ago. Excluding the impact of equity acceleration included in restructuring, a.

Speaker 1

Share based compensation came in at $16,000,000 down substantially year over year from $41,600,000 coming in at approximately 9% as a percentage of revenue, down from 28% in the same quarter last year and down from 18% in our previous quarter. Although we expect our share based compensation to be higher on a quarterly basis a difference than it was in our Q4. We expect our annual share based compensation to decline over time from historical level. A GTV in the quarter came in at $20,200,000,000 up 10% year over year and 13% on a constant currency basis. A Omnichannel GTV was up 3%, whereas Hospitality grew by 20%.

Speaker 1

We continue to some of our verticals within retail face challenging conditions as consumers continue to prioritize experiences. Hospitality GTV remains strong as consumers continue to dine out and travel. This quarter, we also continue a to grow our complex customers with higher GTV tiers. For example, customer locations with over $500,000 in annual GTV grew by 13% in the quarter, whereas those with under 200,000 in annual GTV fell by 6%. A Again, in this quarter, the fastest growing cohort was locations with over $1,000,000 in annual GTV, which grew 16% year over year.

Speaker 1

A Overall customer locations increased by 1,000 from last quarter. As we focus on more complex higher GTV merchants, We expect the under 200,000 cohort to continue to decline. As a reminder, this cohort of customers a The fact that we are successfully monetizing more GTV from our existing customer base. As you've heard from us before, Our focus remains on adding the right customers and monetizing GTV, not on maximizing our total location count. A As a result, we will only be disclosing location count on an annual basis.

Speaker 1

Churn rates in the quarter remained consistent with last quarter, a Despite challenging macroeconomic conditions and similar to last quarter, the vast majority of our overall customer churn is in the under $200,000 cohort. A In terms of our balance sheet, LightSeat closed the quarter with just over $800,000,000 in cash and cash equivalents, a decrease of approximately $838,000,000 in the previous quarter. The most significant use of cash was the reorganization we announced early in the quarter, which led to approximately $18,000,000 in cash charges along with the increase in our merchant cash advances by approximately $13,000,000 a. Turning now to our unified payments and POS efforts. Before I get into the details, let me share some general comments.

Speaker 1

A. As JP mentioned, we are confident that combining our products into one powerful suite of tools will save our customers time and money and provide a superior service. Although we are forecasting a short term increase in churn as a result of this initiative, largely with lower GTV customers, Overall, we believe it will have a favorable impact on our financials, particularly in the second half of the year. Put simply, a Embedding payments to a customer's POS system doubles the lifetime value of that customer at almost the same cost of acquisition. A second, on the cost of this initiative, there will be some accelerated spending on items such as contract buyouts, hardware and implementation support a As we help make this change as smooth as possible for our customers, we will pay for existing contracts where it is reasonable to do so.

Speaker 1

Payment terminals will be provided at no cost to our customers, and we will be sending people into the field to help our merchants get up and running on Lightspeed Payments. These upfront costs have a payback of a few months once a customer is transactional, which justifies the investment on our part. A Finally, on timing. As of May 1, 2023, all new eligible customers are required to sign up for payments with their subscription service, significantly improving unit economics for new customers going forward. For existing customers, this initiative has already launched in retail in North America.

Speaker 1

A next month, we plan to roll it out to our hospitality customers in the region as well. We then plan to further rollout this initiative to the U. K. And Australia a And then on to the rest of EMEA. Now on to outlook.

Speaker 1

With Unified POS and Payment, We are making the right investment and strategic decision to drive durable, long term and profitable growth, positioning us to accelerate towards the Rule of 40 financial metric a as we exit this fiscal year. In the first half of the year, however, we will be impacted by the launch costs associated with our unified payments offering, Which we estimate will total approximately $12,000,000 for the year, dollars 7,000,000 of which is expected to occur in the first half of the year. A These launch costs include free hardware, technical support and contract buyouts where necessary to ensure as smooth a transition as possible for our customers. A. In light of this, our account management teams that are usually upselling our customer base will be focused on successfully onboarding customers to Unified Payment, And we do expect some customer disruption as we roll through this, particularly amongst our lower GTV customers, all of which may negatively impact revenue growth in the first half of the year, but accelerate revenue growth in the back half of the year.

Speaker 1

A Taking all of these factors into consideration, we are approaching our outlook with a heightened level of caution. A For the full year of fiscal 2024, we expect total revenues of between $875,000,000 $900,000,000 a With breakeven adjusted EBITDA. Because of the launch costs associated with Unified POS and payments I referred to earlier, We expect adjusted EBITDA performance in the second half of the year to be significantly better than the first half. For the Q1 of fiscal 2024, We expect revenues between $195,000,000 to $200,000,000 We saw weakness in many of our retail verticals in Q4, a call. And as such, we're being cautious on our GTV forecast.

Speaker 1

We expect an adjusted EBITDA loss of approximately $10,000,000 This expected adjusted EBITDA loss includes the Q1 impact of the launch costs on Unified Payments as well as approximately $4,000,000 of costs associated with our in person sales and customer summit, which takes place in June each year. With that, I will pass the call back to JP. A

Speaker 3

Thanks, Asha. As I said, 2024 will be a year of execution for Lightspeed. I expect to exit the year with strong momentum. We will accelerate payments penetration, we will win more complex HiGTV customers and we will innovate like never before. A We are very excited for our unified payments and POS initiative and our 2 flagship platforms, Litefeed Retail and Litefeed Restaurant.

Speaker 3

A. With that, I will turn it over to the operator to take your questions.

Operator

Thank Your first question comes from the line of Daniel Chan of TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning guys. A You mentioned that you expect some churn in your larger customers, as you roll out the Xenophy payment strategy. Can you just talk about what you saw with your North American retail customers as you roll this out. Where did they go and what was the feedback that they provided to you on why they were leaving the POS system as you rolled out those payments Unified Payment Solution.

Speaker 3

Yes, good morning. So maybe just to clarify, we expect lower churn in the higher GTV. So we expect that the initiative will churn actually the lower customers Not the larger ones, so just being clear there. For me, there's 2 big blocks to the unified payment strategy. The first one is a On new business, so when you look at the new business customers, we every customer now, everywhere in the world where we have payments a Cannot buy Lightspeed without Lightspeed payments.

Speaker 3

And for now, we've seen actually no close no change in the close rates. And we've seen, of course, higher ARPU because a So I think there we're very confident and feeling good about the strategy. And then the second fold to this, our existing customers And existing customers for now we're launching in the U. S. On retail.

Speaker 3

And as we get to the end of the fiscal year, we'll be launching everywhere in the world. And on that front, I mean, it's very much in line with what our beliefs were. We do not believe that people are going to change their point of sale and core business platform a for the payment terminal. And actually, we have strong belief that on the other side of this journey, we're a We're getting extremely good feedback from customers who are using the payment platform. And what we're getting from them is, of course, unified reporting, makes their lives much easier, less errors because the customers have an integrated payment platform, better customer experience because these are not, I mean, old terminals, we're giving them state of the art brand new terminals.

Speaker 3

A And maybe the last thing I want to add on this is we're making it as easy as possible for them. So we're giving them free terminals. We're buying out their contracts. We're sending people on-site to help them install. And so and of course, we'll be And I think we shared the statistic before, but in the majority of the cases, I think it's 70% of the cases, we always have lower rates than the rest of the market.

Speaker 3

So It should be a full net positive for our customers and that's why we're deciding to do it now. We think it's going to be a really good initiative.

Speaker 6

A Yes. Thanks for that clarification. That's very helpful. I noticed that your Lightspeed Capital deployment has increased significantly. A How do you plan on scaling that business as payments adoption is expected to accelerate following this unified payments initiative?

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. I'll take that, Daniel. So the majority of our customers that we offer capital to are actually Lightspeed Payments customers. And as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, we have now self serve on capital in several of our regions. And so what that means a As more and more customers come on to Lightspeed Payments, we've already underwritten those customers.

Speaker 1

So as a result, those customers will be a We have algorithms that determine the amount of merchant cash that we advance to each merchant that they're eligible for. So we definitely expect that business to continue to scale as we get more and more customers on to Lightspeed Payments because then they by default become eligible for Lightspeed Capital. A.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Jeffrey of Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. Appreciate you taking the question. I guess on the unified payments, just so I understand, is this Can you just detail how it sort of changes from what you've been doing to date with payments that's gotten the payment attach up to 19%? A Are there pricing changes that are part of this? Does this look like other competitors in the market?

Speaker 5

I just kind of want to understand some of the nuance behind

Speaker 2

this shift.

Speaker 5

And then I got a follow-up.

Speaker 3

Yes. So look, until now, Payments was not mandatory. I think that's the best way to say it. So we were in a way kind of more with the carrot and kind of Switzerland. So We would go to see the customers and say, hey, if you want, there is likely payments.

Speaker 3

And so it was not mandatory for new customers and it was not mandatory for existing. So here, a What we've done is we've spent the last 3 years really developing one service that could work a And as you know, we have one payment service that works all across Europe, that works in Asia and in the U. S. On hospitality and retail. And so we didn't want to be too aggressive because we wanted to reach scale and ensure that all of our customers were happy, ensure that we know we knew, sorry, how to onboard customers.

Speaker 3

And so we're very happy with the results there. And we've reached scale everywhere in the world now in terms of Lightspeed Payments. And we're getting close to 20% penetration as we end the quarter, not 2019, but 2020%. And so here, For us, we felt it's the right time to do this because we know I mean, I think we have our process internally that work And we also know that there's a lot of value. And frankly, I think that's the most exciting part for the market and our customers is when they use Lightspeed Payments, a They save time.

Speaker 3

They have a much better experience with our customers. And when you look at the market today with cost of labor going up and interest rates and everything, For them, the only way out is doing more with less. And that's why we feel now is the right time to say, well, you know what, we cannot consider any more payments in software as being dissociated. They are one platform and it's actually going to simplify our business going forward because every customer now It's going to follow the exact same onboarding flow where everybody is on payments, every new customer and every existing customer is going to move to likely payments. And that means We will only develop one version of our software instead of having all these integrations with all these different partners, one version of our software That will provide value to every single one of our customers.

Speaker 5

Okay. So it becomes an attach rate function primarily is what it sounds like. A And then just Ashar, when I look at 1Q and the guide, you had a very nice ARPU, the subscription yield was up really nicely in 4Q.

Speaker 2

Is the implication that GTV on

Speaker 5

a reported basis could be down in 1Q year on year?

Speaker 1

Yes, yes. We're forecasting, we're being very cautious on GTV. As we exit Q4 and start Q1 in the new a We are seeing GTV in several of the retail verticals where Lightspeed thrives continue to be down year over year, such as bike and home improvement. So we are being cautious on GTV and that's what you're seeing come through in the Q1 guide. However, in addition to that, the account management teams inside Lightspeed a who typically focus on upselling our base on software is going to be 100% focused in the 1st couple of quarters on onboarding 5 to 6 times the number of customers that we typically onboard on Lightspeed Payments.

Speaker 1

So there's that, that impacts 1Q as well in the softer revenue growth. Over the year, though, you see that, we given the guide for the year, it's evident that we expect very strong revenue acceleration in the back half of the year As the initial launch of Unified Payments is behind us. And in addition, we start seeing the extra volume on those additional customers getting up and running on to Lightspeed Payments.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Martin Toner of ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks for the question. Good morning. At what pace do you think you can move existing customers over to unified POS and payments? And How successful are you being at implementing a third party processing fee?

Speaker 3

A Yes. So I'll take this one. Good morning. So the plan is, very simply put that we believe we can move the majority of our customers between now and the end of the fiscal year onto Lightspeed Payments. As I said, we're going to start with retail in the U.

Speaker 3

S, which is our biggest vertical and the biggest concentration of customers and we'll move to hospitality in the U. A And then we're going to move to Europe and APAC. So this is the year for me of we take all of our existing customers and we bring them to Lightspeed Payments. A We've done a number of initiatives there and we know what it's going to take to get there. And I think that's why going back to what Asha was saying, a Normally, when you sell software, you recognize the revenues immediately.

Speaker 3

But we're going to take the majority of our go to market people and say instead of selling software to our customers, We're going to move them to payments. But there is a delay between the moment they say I'm coming to payments and then we got to get them on boarded transactional shipped all the hardware. And so that's why you see a softer kind of guide on revenues in the first half of the year. But if this works well and according to what we have planned, that means we're going to end the year with profitability and high growth. And that's really And for me, these are all the sequences we've been putting together for the last few years.

Speaker 3

And we knew this was the final step of Lightspeed Payments. When we always said that we believed we could get to 50% penetrated. We knew there was a step in there, which is, okay, now we know it's working. We know our customers love it. Now we have to go into, okay, now let's bring the majority of our customers onto the platform.

Speaker 7

That's great. Thanks, JP.

Speaker 1

Can a Can you talk a

Speaker 3

little bit about the a

Speaker 7

little more about the implementation? Are there limitations to the pace that you guys can move based on people and availability of hardware?

Speaker 3

No, I think it's just gradual. It's just I mean, we have a lot of customers in every country. So I think for us, we want to be cautious again in how we do it. We want to be sure that it's a successful outcome. And so that's why we're starting and we're going to be learning all year long as we continue to deploy.

Speaker 3

But for now, just very clearly, the process is, you're going to speak to all of our account managers now are just focused on calling the customers, reaching the customers. And as you know, we're going to be accommodating the rates. So we need to take their current statements. We need to look at the rate that they have. A We need to get back to them with what is the real rate versus your legacy systems are always very smoke and mirror when it comes to rates.

Speaker 3

So We give them the same rate, we accommodate the same rate. And then from there, we send them to our onboarding teams. From there, the onboarding team needs to ship the hardware. We have planned a For all of the hardware, just being very clear, we've been working with our partners there to be sure we have the right volumes. And then when they reached when the hardware are shipped, And this is where it's going to be obviously kind of costing us a lot of money in the first half of the year is we're then going to be sending people on-site who are going to be kind of holding the hand of the customer all the way and are going to be plugging in the terminals, getting in the So then it's as simple as plugging in the terminals, getting the putting the right code number and then the customers are up and running.

Speaker 3

So it's a well understood repeatable process we've been doing. But now the idea is in the first half of the year, We're going to put as many people as we can at light speed to do what I just described, which is going on-site, which is shipping those terminals And holding the hands of the customers because the one thing we know about retailers and restaurateurs, they don't really like change. So we're doing everything we can to make this change as seamless as possible. We're giving the terminals, we're buying out the contracts, we're accommodating the same rates, a We're sending people on-site because we want the experience to be good because we know that once they use it, they will love it.

Operator

A. Your next question comes from the line of Thanos Moschopoulos of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

A Hi, good morning. If you look at your retail versus hospitality mix, as you're shifting towards a The higher GTV locations, is there any shift in that dynamic? Are you having more traction in signing up one of those verticals versus the other a When we talk about higher locations?

Speaker 3

Yes. So Tanush, I think again, we're seeing what we've seen for the past year. So we're seeing the under 200 ks cohort. We're seeing that shrink actually now about 6% year over year. And we're seeing the higher GMV or GTV cohorts grow.

Speaker 3

And I think that's kind of been happening all year round. But I think the good news here is when a You look at the 200 ks cohort that represents 5% of our GMV and represents I think 80% of our churn. So we're seeing good adoption from new customers. We're seeing ARPU grow. We announced a few very large retailers and restaurants that have been moving to Lightspeed that we acquired in the quarter.

Speaker 3

And the flip side of that is we're seeing this flu of low GMV customers just churn at a higher rate. And I think even if you look at the macro environment, and we have planned for that, I kept saying the whole year, hey, We think that with what's happening in the economy, that cohort is not going to be a good one. And we're seeing heightened churn in that in those cohorts. And we're actually seeing really good adoption on the higher cohorts.

Speaker 1

The only thing I would add to that, Thanos, is from a vertical perspective, We remain in the 60% retail, 40% hospitality markets despite the move up market. The split By vertical, it's still 60 retail, 40 percent hospitality.

Speaker 8

Okay, thanks. And a In terms of your approach to outbound sales, to date it's been exclusively North America. As you launch the payments initiative a globally given some of the handholding you might need to do, might you start deploying direct sales in other geographies as well?

Speaker 3

Yes. So just be we are you're right. And more and more as we look at the higher GMV merchants, we're doing more and more outbound And not just for existing customers with terminals and everything, but also even to try and attract customers and we're taking a very a hyper geography very focused approach in all the different countries and all the different so we have teams as you know all over the world. So that is one of the blends that we're seeing is that we're seeing more and more outbound. And again, I think that's very much in line with The cautiousness that we have, we want to be sure that our unit economics are strong.

Speaker 3

So we are really focusing on the right customer base. And a I think for me the other data maybe that I think is interesting is our cohorts are growing at 110% year over year. And that's because The customers that stay on the platform are buying more and are buying more modules and more from Lightspeed. So That's why we really have to continue on this strategy of focusing on the higher GMV. And you're right, that means a higher blend of outbound versus what we would have historically had in the company.

Operator

A. Your next question comes from the line of Tien tsin Huang of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, thanks. Good morning. I know a lot of hard work went into getting to this point. So it feels like JP, very big bet obviously on the product and fitness that clients are going to love it. I guess my question is as you go out into the field a And you face resistance, whether it's businesses are ready to do it now, they're too busy or they're happy with what they have or they get price matching from other peers.

Speaker 9

Is there a plan B? I'm just curious how much force are you going to put in to effectuate the plan? Again, I'm sure you're confident in the product and whatnot. I'm just curious as a plan B.

Speaker 3

Yes. So look, We're going to if you do not want to move to light speed, we will be charging you a transaction fee. And like all the other companies actually in our space that are the newer generation. So I think nothing new there, but we really have strong confidence. And we did a few tests Before we launch the initiative on cohorts of customers and what we're seeing is I mean, and that's where we feel strongly is, first of all, the new platforms that we just launched and I don't know if you saw, but yesterday we launched our new hospitality probably the best products we've ever built and creating a lot of value and with a very clear understanding of where we bring value to customers.

Speaker 3

And I think we just have very strong confidence that people are not going to replace the core platform that runs everything in their business For the payment terminal. We think everybody is going to see this once they've and change is the I think the most difficult piece is How do I make changes as simple as possible? But once they're on the other side, we're very confident that they're going to like what they see. And if the Customers do not want to, well, we will be charging them a transaction fee. But when we've modeled the year, we've modeled all the scenarios and it is a net positive anyway you look at it for Lightspeed.

Speaker 9

A Good. No, I appreciate the confidence in doing it now. I think it makes sense with the unified platform being done. Last quick question, just on the marketing, the branding In this moment now, right, to take advantage of it, are you going to do anything unique on the sales and marketing frontier beyond the outreach that you described?

Speaker 3

A Well, look, we've hired a new Chief Marketing Officer. She a She was at Klaviyo before in Dropbox. So we've hired somebody that's definitely going to step up our game. I think for me, when I look at marketing And that's where I get probably very emotionally excited is if you actually look at our restaurants and our retailers and how they use the platform, they use us for everything. A They use us to run their email campaigns, to manage their food, to manage their menus, to manage their kitchens, to manage back office, to manage and I've always said it's the hidden side of the ice a We truly are the core platform running their businesses.

Speaker 3

And I think we need to do a better job at being the go to brand And making that very clear that we are not just a cash register, we're not just a POS, we run their businesses. A And yes, so the big mandate here for Caddy who's joined us is twofold is one to ensure that we become the go to platform globally for the call it the higher GMV SMBs and ensuring that a I think we need to develop the brand in a much stronger way.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Baehr of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for the question. Just wanted to clarify, which of the location disclosures will be moved 2 annual disclosures.

Speaker 1

Hey, Josh. We won't a We won't disclose annual total location count quarterly, but we will on an annual basis. So you'll get that from us yearly. We did disclose it this quarter at the year end that the total location count was 168,000 locations Outside from Ecwid at the end of March 2023.

Speaker 10

Okay, thanks. And then we will I'm assuming we'll still get ARPU on a quarterly basis.

Speaker 1

So what we want to make sure is that everyone has all the pieces to model the business. And so We expect subscription revenue, as we've said in the past, to grow annually at a rate of about 10%, GPV to continue to grow 50 plus percent year over year, And we also expect overall gross margins in the 40% to 45% range. And so between those components and ARPU, a We'll ensure that you have what you need to continue to model our business.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Koji Ikeda Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Yes. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. A couple for me here. And I wanted to kind of go back to the unified payments and the POS initiative.

Speaker 11

So just digging in, a Wondering if you could talk a little bit more about if customers opt out. Can you talk a little bit more about what sort of fee is involved if the customer does not a or decide not to use light speed payments. Is that going to be same around the world? Is it a monthly fee, percent of transaction? A And then how do you think about churn assumptions or longer sales cycles due to this initiative that is embedded in the guidance?

Speaker 3

A Great. Okay. So let's start I'll start with the easy one, which is sales cycles. We have already launched payments now and we have a couple of months behind our under our belt, sorry, globally. And here we have seen zero change in length, 0 change in close rates and we've seen higher ARPU.

Speaker 3

So on that front, extremely confident that this is not going to be an impairment to growth and to attracting the right customers. Yes, on that front, so feeling very confident there. A Going back to churn assumptions, we do not believe that churn will be high as we launched unified payments to our existing customers On the cohorts that matter, we believe that the high GMV merchants will actually love what we're doing because the bigger the merchant, the more they need automation, the more they need speed of transaction to check out, The more they're going to like unified payments because it is the best way to provide the best experience to your customers in a very fast and efficient way. We think that those that might not we see them as the more emotional customers, which are the lower GMV ones. And those we think that churn is going to be high, but it's not that important to us given that 5% of our total GMV comes from the customers under 200 ks and that is a significant amount of customers still.

Speaker 3

So a I don't know how to answer this differently, but we're feeling really confident around bringing the customers that matter that are going to have a really big impact on revenue a for light speed and growth on ARPU. If they don't, just being very clear, if they do not want to at the end of all of this, they've all received communication And they're going to continue throughout the year in all the other regions. That says that they have a grace period, but at the end of this grace period, if they don't use Lightspeed, They have 2 options. They have one option is to go and find another vendor, which is okay for that cohort of customers. And then the second option is They can use Lightspeed payments, but they're going to be charged a transaction fee.

Speaker 3

And in the U. S, it's going to be about 50 basis points, Which is again very much in line with other vendors who are proposing this to their customers. So that's a Just being very clear, that's the scenario. But we do not believe that there are many customers who are going to go with the transaction fee, And we've modeled the churn assumptions to levels that I think we've been very conservative. And even in those scenarios, a when we look at our guidance for the year, we're very confident in it.

Speaker 11

Got it, JP. That's super, super helpful. And then my follow-up here, a And it's really on the withdrawal of the 35% to 40% organic revenue growth guide. I'm trying to really reconcile a The positive comments, the long term strategy, the payments rollout. And I do understand the caution with the macro.

Speaker 11

A And maybe just a tilt of caution with the payments initiative just because it's so new, but it does sound so long term positive for the business. A What other factors are coming into play or anything else to specifically call out for the reason to withdraw a The medium term guide here, the 35% to 40%. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1

Yes, absolutely. The main factor for the withdrawing the 35% to 40% or actually the 20%, 23% outlook that we're providing for the year is actually that The company will be focused on unified payments in the first half of the year, and you're seeing that come through in the revenue guide for the Q1. For example, our account management teams that are typically focused on upselling our base will be focused fully on onboarding 5x to 6x the number of customers that we typically onboard. And so you're seeing the impact of that in the first half of the year as the company is gearing up a to onboard, underwrite 5x to 6x the number of customers that we typically would. However, in the back half of the year, as the company That launch of Unified Payments is behind us, the initial launch.

Speaker 1

And we get the benefit of the added volumes of all these customers coming on a To Unified Payments and using Lightspeed Payments, we start to see very strong momentum and strong revenue growth in as we exit fiscal 2024.

Speaker 3

A Yes. Just maybe just clarifying. The difference between software and payments is and I know I said it, but in software, when you sell and the customer buys your software, It immediately translates into revenues. On payments, and especially with the unified payments approach, in some cases, we're giving our customers a quarter to move because the larger ones takes a lot of time to deploy. And so that's why, yes, it's a year of 2 halves basically.

Speaker 3

First half is And that's why again going back to why we withdrew is for this year, we're certainly not giving the guidance that we had historically given. And that's because it's 2 halves. And even though we think we'll end the second half in a very strong position.

Speaker 1

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Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sudan Sukumar of Stifel. Please go ahead. A

Speaker 6

question. Good morning. A couple of questions for me. Firstly, on the go to market piece. It sounds like your sales model has been not evolving to more direct sales up on to go after the higher GTE merge, which obviously makes sense.

Speaker 6

A how are you thinking about your CAC? I'm just kind of curious how that's been trending given the higher LTV potential. A And do you also see opportunity for more focused investment from a sales and marketing standpoint to drive more impact with these large merchants?

Speaker 3

Yes. So just again being very clear, the CAC hasn't changed. And I think a That's the good news is your CAC hasn't changed, but now we have all customers who are buying payments. So on a unit economics front, we've seen really good progress there. I think going back to the of course, outbound a slightly more expensive than inbound as we can all imagine.

Speaker 3

But here again, if you're attracting high GMV customers and they're all attaching payments, a You can easily afford a slightly higher CAC, because your payback is going to be shorter because your customers are on payments. And if you go for the right segment of customers, you're actually going to have better unit economics. So that's how we run the business. A That's always it's always going to be how we run it. And I think for us, we're just obsessed around unit economics.

Speaker 3

But that's why We do believe and again if I have to just on a macro map the year, as we end the year and we have more and more customers on unified payments, We will be investing more in go to market just because our LTV is going to be stronger and just because we'll have unified payments with everyone. So I think a Going back to description of the year, first half of the year is about execution, bringing as many customers as possible on payment. Second half of the year is tailwinds of payments and we'll see high growth in revenues and it will also enable us to invest way more in attracting more customers. So that's how we view it right now. But I think just being clear, the CAC over the last year Has really gone in the right direction.

Speaker 3

So it's actually not increased. It's been declining.

Speaker 6

A Thank you. That's helpful. Next, I wanted to touch on the competitive landscape. A start curious what you're seeing in terms of the competitive intensity in the market today. Are you seeing competition or rather competitive intensity increase as you move up market or is it largely consistent with what you've been seeing in prior periods?

Speaker 3

A Yes. So I think so we have 2 big categories of products and I'm just going to go through both of them. On the retail front, a We now have our new platform. We are extremely competitive everywhere in the world. I think we are the go to everywhere in the world for more established merchants.

Speaker 3

We're even seeing customers actually move from other platforms because they scale off the other cloud based systems. And actually we are very excited because what they're telling us is even our e commerce capabilities are now They would arguably say better than competition, because we've been hard at work for 2 years, I mean rebuilding from scratch our retail platform and it's brand new, no technical debt, state of the art and really what we're hearing from our customers, it's better than it's ever been and it's extremely competitive. I mean, I think we are the go to globally for retail. Now unfortunately, GMV in that segment in retail has not been as good as hospitality, but that is really the strongest suit for Lightspeed globally. A When you take hospitality, I think hospitality, we have basically 2 large markets.

Speaker 3

And I'll start with what I call outside of the U. S, rest of the world. Rest of the world, we are the global dominating go to merchant for established. So if you go to London, you go to Paris, you go to Germany and any city, we are the kind of go to platform and we're not seeing any competition there. And really we spent a lot of time just making this better.

Speaker 3

We've launched actually, you might have read yesterday, we've launched a new version of our hospitality. And really, we think that's really good. Now in the U. S, we have a competitor called Toast that's doing really well. And in the U.

Speaker 3

S, we don't want to own everything in the U. S. What we want to own are the fine dining Michelin Star more established merchants And actually very excited about the launch we did yesterday because that launch is a bundle of basically hardware, software analytics And it's very, very adapted. I mean that was focused really on the U. S.

Speaker 3

Market. And maybe just as an example here, the point of sale, Which is on the iPhone is also your payment terminal. So and that is major for the larger restaurants because now mobility comes at no cost. You don't have to now buy an extra payment terminal. Your iPhone is your payment terminal.

Speaker 3

And I think we're one of the only ones out there now that has launched this. And it's just much slicker than anybody on the market. Now that's why I'm not saying we want to own the entire market. We want to own the more established a Michelin Star, Fine Dine and also all restaurants associated to hotels and resorts and you a You probably read the announcement there. So that's the strategy.

Speaker 3

But in those segments that I just described, we're feeling really good about the product. And I think a The most important part, my background is really product. The most important part is that these products are brand new. This means it's new code. This means there is no technical debt.

Speaker 3

And that means that as we go into the next year, we will be delivering at a much faster rate than we have historically because we now have 2 products that are brand new and that are extremely competitive. And that means our velocity in terms of development is going to be really strong.

Speaker 2

A We'll take one last question. I'm trying to make it quick, please.

Operator

So your last question comes from the line of Richard Tse of National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. A.

Speaker 12

Yes. Thank you for taking my question. So in the release, you talked about sort of the rule of 40. I'm kind of curious to see a what's your ideal balance of sort of growth and profitability as you look forward over the next couple of years? And if I can kind of just slip another one in.

Speaker 12

I'm kind of also curious to see a Of the proportion of your customers that have adopted payments, how many of those on a percentage basis have taken on capital?

Speaker 3

A Okay. So I'll maybe start with capital. Capital is very small right now. We're just getting it launched. We just recently released it in the product.

Speaker 3

And a The story around capital is you need to surface the right offer at the right time. So we're putting a lot of efforts into that. And as Ashish said, we pre approve a lot of our customers. And so when they're in a workflow of reordering or that's when you pop up the offer and it's great for them because it's just easy access to funds. And for us, it's great because we withhold on the sales side.

Speaker 3

So default rates are very low and we know everything about our merchants given we run their businesses. Sorry, I forgot the first question. Rich, what was the first part of the question? Sorry about that.

Speaker 12

Between growth and possibility as you sort of

Speaker 3

Yes, sorry. A Yes, rule of 4. So, look, we are going to run the business this year really focusing on trying to be as close as possible as we end the year to the rule of 40. And we are going to run the business on looking at sales efficiency. I think we got to do better there.

Speaker 3

And naturally, as we deploy payments, that's going to look much better. A I think for us, and again, I don't think we have any significant market share. I think the market is up for grabs. And so for me, it's going to be the balance between how much do we reinvest and if the units economics are good. And I guess the other way to say it is, we know I'll put it differently is, we know that our cohorts grow 110% year over year.

Speaker 3

We know that our customers in the right segment are going to stay with us forever and continue buying more. And we know that we have no significant market share for now. So I think we need to show that we can be breakeven or better, show we can be profitable. A But then I want to be able to, if we define to, to double down on getting the market because I think there's a real opportunity out there to build a much larger company than we have today. And I think if the units are strong, we need to double down on going off to the market.

Speaker 3

So that's how we're looking at it right now as rule of 40 is going to be always weighted towards the growth. But we need to be able if we want to show that we can be profitable as an organization.

Speaker 1

A question. There are

Operator

no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Das Papageorgiou for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thanks everyone for joining us today. If there are any follow-up questions, please reach out to the IR team and we look forward to speaking to you again after our next quarter. Have a great day everyone.

Operator

A. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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