NASDAQ:HLNE Hamilton Lane Q4 2023 Earnings Report $137.73 +2.68 (+1.98%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$141.60 +3.87 (+2.81%) As of 05:43 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Hamilton Lane EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.96Consensus EPS $0.77Beat/MissBeat by +$0.19One Year Ago EPSN/AHamilton Lane Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$112.79 millionExpected Revenue$116.88 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$4.09 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AHamilton Lane Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date5/25/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 25, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsHamilton Lane's Q4 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 22, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, May 23, 2025 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Hamilton Lane Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 25, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, afternoon or evening. My name is JL, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Hamilton Lane Fiscal 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. A supplemental slide presentation to accompany the prepared remarks can be found on the company's website. Operator00:00:22After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to John Oh, Head of Shareholder Relations. Mr. Oh, you may begin your conference. Speaker 100:00:46Thank you, JL. Good morning and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q4 and fiscal year end 2023 earnings call. Today. I will be joined by Eric Hirsch, Vice Chairman Brian Gilday, Managing Director, Investments and Atul Varma, CFO. To the call. Speaker 100:01:01Before we discuss the quarter's results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward looking statements based on our current expectations for the business. To the operator. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the actual results to differ materially. For a discussion of these risks, to the operator. Please review the risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2022 10 ks and subsequent reports we filed with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:25To the call. We will also be referring to non GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non GAAP measures to GAAP to the earnings presentation materials made available on the shareholder section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results will be made available when our 10 ks is filed. To Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or solicitation the purchase interest in any of Hamilton Maine's products. Speaker 100:01:52To. Beginning with the financial highlights. For fiscal 2023, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 18%, while our fee related earnings grew by 10% versus the prior year. This translated into full year GAAP EPS of $3.01 based on $109,000,000 of GAAP net income and non GAAP EPS of $3.34 based on $180,000,000 of adjusted net income. Lastly, our Board has approved an 11% increase to our annual fiscal dividend to $1.78 per share to the floor. Speaker 100:02:26$0.445 per share per quarter. This marks the 6th consecutive annual double digit percentage increase to our dividends to Going Public in 2017. Our ability to consistently increase distribution to shareholders every year speak to the growth and strength of our business. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Eric. Speaker 200:02:46Thank you, John, and good morning. Despite a challenging market backdrop, to our strong momentum and performance continues. This is mainly due to the dedication and devotion shown by our team around the world. To the operator. We are working hard to deliver for our clients. Speaker 200:03:01It is then nice when that hard work is recognized, and so I begin here by acknowledging a number of notable awards that the to the firm has recently won. For the 3rd consecutive year, Hamilton Lane was named to Korea's Economic Daily's Best of the Best Asset Managers and the only firm who have won this distinction every year since it began. In addition to that, we were awarded with the secondary deal of the year in Asia by Private Equity International and also named at the inaugural Forbes 50 Financial All Stars list as selected by sector specialists at KBW. To These awards exemplify our commitment to our clients and highlight our global leadership within this asset class. To We've also continued our growth and reinvestment in the business by announcing our most recent office opening. Speaker 200:03:47We now welcome Shanghai to the Hamilton Lane family. To Shanghai marks our 22nd office globally and 6th in the Asia Pacific region. Lastly, and before we move to the results for the year, to I want to briefly highlight a major annual event for us, the release of the Hamilton Lane market overview. This overview brings together the best of our firm, to data, analytics, industry expertise, insights and a little humor. The market overview experience has grown considerably over the years to now include various multimedia aspects alongside the written narrative. Speaker 200:04:25Attendance of the broadcast has also continued to expand with over 1400 attendees joining us live this year, to the Q1 of 2019. Up 35% from last year and over 3,500 enjoying it on demand. For those who have not had an opportunity to to market overview, I would encourage you to visit our website for more information. Let's shift gears now and move to some results for the year. Our total asset footprint, which we define as the sum of our AUM and AUA stood at $857,000,000,000 and represents a 5% to the decrease to our footprint year over year. Speaker 200:05:03AUM growth year over year, which was over $6,000,000,000 or 5%, to the floor to our Specialized Funds and Customized Separate Accounts. AUA was net down $50,000,000,000 to the Q4 negative 6% year over year, the result of the expiration of a small revenue reporting mandate offset by mark to market movements. As a reminder, AUA can fluctuate for a variety of reasons, but the revenue associated with AUA does not necessarily move in lockstep with those changes. This was true for this period whereby despite the reduction in AUA, revenue actually increased. Turning now to AUM. Speaker 200:05:42For fiscal 2023, total fee earned and AUM stood at $57,300,000,000 and grew $8,200,000,000 or 17% relative to the prior year stemming from positive fund flows across both our specialized funds and our customized separate accounts. To the operator. Taken separately, dollars 3,700,000,000 of net fee earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts and over the same time period, to $4,500,000,000 came from our specialized funds. Our blended fee rate across both customized separate accounts and specialized funds has recently been increasing over the past few quarters. This stems from the continuing shift in the mix of our fee earning AUM towards higher fee rate specialized funds, most notably our Evergreen products. Speaker 200:06:32Moving to customized separate account flows. To the earnings AUM here stood at $34,700,000,000 growing 12% over the past 12 months. We continue to see the growth coming across type, size and geographic location of the clients. Over the last 12 months, more than 80% of the gross inflows into customized separate accounts came from our existing client base, which continues to be a steady source of growth for our separate account business. But again, despite a very large installed client base, to the remainder of new inflows continue to be driven by new relationships, something of which we are very proud. Speaker 200:07:15To Let me now turn over to Brian to cover our specialized fund flows. Speaker 300:07:19Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Growth continues to be strong for our specialized funds. To the earnings AUM stood at $22,700,000,000 at year end. Over the past 12 months, we achieved positive net inflows to $4,500,000,000 representing growth of 25%. This growth stems from additional closes for funds currently in market, to continued investment activity and growth in our Evergreen platform. Speaker 300:07:48Let's dive into some of the drivers of this growth and then I'll wrap with some commentary on our Evergreen platform. Beginning with Secondary Fund 6, fundraising continues to progress well here. During the quarter, we held the 4th close for the fund that totaled just under $300,000,000 of investor commitment. To this close generated $1,800,000 in retro fees for the quarter. The total capital raise for Fund 6 to the company. Speaker 300:08:16Now it stands at nearly $2,000,000,000 with the fund remaining in market into the Q4 of calendar 2023 with both our strong fundraising pipeline and attractive deal flow. Moving on to our strategic opportunities fund, to our direct credit strategy. We have successfully grown this platform over the past 7 vintages and are now pleased to announce the initial closings for our 8th series. To date, we have closed on over $338,000,000 of commitments for this most recent series and look to continue to capitalize on the growth in private credit. We'll be in market with this 8 series throughout the remainder of calendar 2023. Speaker 300:08:59As a reminder, the prior funds raised nearly $944,000,000 in investor commitment. To. Next up is Impact Fund 2. Since our last update, we held a number of interim closes for the fund and then subsequently held the final close after quarter end. The funds closed with approximately $365,000,000 of healthy commitments to the Fund 2 represents nearly a 4x increase in commitment relative to the first fund. Speaker 300:09:31In addition to the capital raised directly by the fund, we also raised over $500,000,000 of separate account capital as part of the broader platform and together with Impact Fund 2, speaks to our continued presence as an emerging leader in sustainable and impact investing. We are encouraged by the scaling, the attractiveness of our deal flow and the strong initial results. Let's move now to our Evergreen platform, which continues to perform very well despite the macro environment. The platform currently stands at nearly $3,700,000,000 of AUM across 3 offerings and is growing 42% in the past 12 months. For the quarter, we averaged nearly $80,000,000 of monthly net to Inflows in aggregate across all three of our offerings. Speaker 300:10:21The success has been driven by both growing and expanding with our existing distribution channels and adding new distribution relationships. Significantly, we are pleased to announce that our U. S. Evergreen product to have now been on boarded on 2 of the preeminent WireHouse platforms. In addition, we continue to complement our distribution strategy with technology partners who offer differentiated access to our products, namely through tokenization. Speaker 300:10:50Our Senior Credit Evergreen Fund, SCOPE, to the most recent to announce 2 new tokenized offerings in partnership with Alta and Securitize, which Eric will touch on shortly. Stepping back, while still early days for these new relationships, we look forward to providing their clients with direct and unique access to the private market. To Before I wrap, I wanted to take a moment to touch on a number of new funds that we have recently launched. I'll start with our 2nd infrastructure opportunities fund. We successfully raised our 1st infrastructure opportunities fund with nearly $575,000,000 of investor commitment in and alongside the fund. Speaker 300:11:32To the platform invest in infrastructure transactions, both direct opportunities and secondary alongside leading GPs in the global private infrastructure space. The funding has done well to date with the current portfolio generating strong initial returns. To We are pleased with the early success and will now look to capitalize on that momentum and grow the platform with the launch of our second fund. To the Hamilton Lane Venture Access Fund. We've been actively investing in the venture space since 1996, primarily to our separate accounts and advisory businesses. Speaker 300:12:11With this new product, we'll look to draw upon our long standing successful track record alongside the relationships we've forged along the way to provide investors with access to top venture managers by way of primary, to the secondary and co investment opportunities through a coming of fund. Subsequent to quarter end, we held the 1st close for the fund with $105,000,000 of investor commitment. We are encouraged with the early momentum with this inaugural fund and look forward to providing more updates as the fundraise progresses. I'll now turn the call back over to Eric for an update on our strategic technology partnership. Speaker 200:12:51Thanks, Brian. And as Brian just alluded, we remain active in our pursuit of identifying cutting edge technology solutions to continue to improve and enhance this asset class. We recently announced a new partnership with Ulta, who operates 1 of Southeast Asia's largest digital marketplaces for to Alternative Assets. Ulta, together with our existing partnerships with Securitize and Addix allows us to tokenize access to Hamilton Lane products and further addresses the continued increase in demand for unique private market offerings from both U. S. Speaker 200:13:24And Asian individual investors. We have been at the forefront of driving the tokenization movement in this asset class as we believe it will continue to provide expanded access to a larger universe of global investors. Speaker 400:13:36To the Q1. Let me now Speaker 200:13:38move on to our balance sheet portfolio and highlight our recent investment in Nevada. We call that Nevada's to Form and Unique Technology Enables the Private Markets to Achieve A More Sustainable and Inclusive Form of Capitalism by the Way of Streamline Data Collection, to Analysis and Reporting for Relevant and Important ESG Metrics. On February 28, Nevada closed a $30,000,000 Series to the e round of financing, which Hamilton Lane was proud to lead. We were joined by existing Nevada investors, S&P Global and the Ford Foundation, along with Nevada's newest investor, Microsoft, through their client innovation on as well as adding Northern Trust. In addition, leading general partners investing via their balance sheet or personal partner capital joined the round and included Clear Lake Capital, to Helman and Friedman, Kohlberg and Company, Lindsay Goldberg and The Vistria Group. Speaker 200:14:38Based on the valuation of the Series B round, to our investment in Nevada is now currently marked at 1.9x our invested capital. Nevada has to experience tremendous growth in the short amount of time that we've been in operation. It speaks to the unmet need that Nevada is solving for and we are proud to continue supporting them alongside leading global institutions in furthering their mission. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Atul to cover the financials. Speaker 400:15:06Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. For fiscal 2023, we achieved strong growth in our business with management advisory fees of 18% versus the prior year. Our specialized funds revenue increased by $46,200,000 or 31% compared to the prior year. This was driven primarily by a $1,100,000,000 increase feared in AUM in our Evergreen platform and nearly $2,000,000,000 raised from March in our latest secondary fund. Retro to the earnings release for the year were approximately $2,400,000 stemming primarily from our latest direct equity fund versus a minimal amount in the prior year period. Speaker 400:15:49To. As a reminder, investors that come into later closes during the fundraise pay retroactive fees dating back to the funds first close. To the call. We expect to generate additional retro fees as we hold subsequent closes for our latest secondary fund. To the customer separate accounts. Speaker 400:16:09Revenue increased $14,500,000 or 14% compared to the prior year period due to the re ups from existing clients, the addition of several new accounts and continued investment activity. To. Revenue from our advisory, reporting and other offerings decreased $3,100,000 compared to the prior year period, primarily due to a decrease in revenue from our distribution management business, partially offset by increases in fund reimbursement and reporting revenue. To the operator. The final component of our revenue is incentive fees. Speaker 400:16:45Incentive fees for the year totaled $156,900,000 to. As we have detailed on prior calls, the increase in total incentive fee during fiscal 2023 stems from the cash up positions that a number of our vehicles to the fiscal year. We view these results as episodic and not indicative of a normalized amount relative to the total revenue. To Speaker 100:17:10Let me now turn Speaker 400:17:11to some additional detail on our unrealized carry balance. The balance was down 14% from the prior year period, primarily due to the recognition of $156,900,000 of incentive fee along with a small mark to market movement during the last 12 months. The unrealized carry balance now stands at slightly over $1,000,000,000 Moving to expenses. Total expenses increased $90,400,000 compared to the prior year. Total compensation and benefits increased by to $9,200,000 driven primarily by compensation associated with the increased amount of incentive fees as well as continued headcount growth throughout the year. Speaker 400:17:57G and A expense for the period increased $21,100,000 driven primarily by revenue related expenses such as 3rd party commissions and fund expenses as well as travel in conference expenses, which were limited during the COVID period. Our fee related earnings were up 10% relative to the prior year as a result of the management fee in AUM growth discussed earlier and offset somewhat by the increase in expenses I just outlined. To I'll wrap up here with some commentary on our balance sheet. Our largest asset continues to be our investments alongside our clients in our customized separate accounts and specialized funds. Over the long term, we view these investments as an important component of our continued growth and we'll continue to invest our balance sheet capital alongside our clients. Speaker 400:18:51Lastly, in regard to our liabilities, we continue to be modestly better. And with that, we thank you for joining the call and are happy to open it up for questions. Operator00:19:04Thank you. Speaker 200:19:19To your questions. Operator00:19:20Your first question comes from the line of Michael Cyprys of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:27Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you might be able to talk about what you guys are seeing in to secondary's marketplace. Just given everything going on from a macro perspective, it would seem like that's an area that could see more to transactional activity. So just curious if you could just maybe share some perspective and color on what you're seeing in the marketplace, how you expect that to play out over the next couple of quarters. Speaker 500:19:52And from an activity level standpoint, what implications could there be for to Hamilton Lane there in terms of maybe pulling forward any sort of next fundraising or maybe deploying and charging on committed capital there that could be from a management fee standpoint. And then just any sort of color around bid ask spreads in the secondary market and how that's evolving? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:13Yes, Mike, it's Eric. I'll take that. I think you're certainly seeing an increase in interesting deal activity. But I think as it often happens in the FAFSA class, it takes a while to kind of reach to an appropriate bid ask spread. So right now transaction volumes are relatively muted, as I think both sides are still trying to sort through what their outlook is for the market and pricing going forward. Speaker 200:20:43I think interest in using secondaries as a way to free up capital for both LPs and GPs continues to rise. I think interest and understanding in secondaries from investors also continues to rise. So I think if the market continues as it is today, I would envision that you could certainly see the potential for faster dollar deployment. On your pricing point, we already charge on committed capital. So The current market environment is not altering any of that dynamic. Speaker 400:21:17Great. Speaker 500:21:17And then just maybe a follow-up question, if I could, on the infrastructure platform that you guys are continuing to build out. It sounded like your prior fund And SMA capital you had raised was just under $600,000,000 or so. If you could talk about the opportunity that you see with the next series that you're raising and the SMA capital that might be raised alongside, would you expect that to scale? We also hear it's a bit more challenging environment for raising capital, but understandably maybe to structure a little bit lesser impacted. So just curious your perspective there. Speaker 500:21:47And if you could just comment more broadly on the opportunity set that you see in infrastructure, how big of an opportunity could that be for Hamilton Lane and what part of the infrastructure marketplace are you seeing the more attractive areas to play into? Speaker 200:22:01Sure, Mike. It's Eric. I'll stick with that. So we've been in the infrastructure business for quite some time. We had just been doing it through SMAs as well as a little bit of advisory work. Speaker 200:22:12We then launched our first specialized product, which as you noted, that product alone was really that to $600,000,000 a little bit under. And now having deployed that successfully, we're back to market. We see the space as growing. We see the space as large. We see our footprint in the space as being important, but relatively modest in its size. Speaker 200:22:33And so we see a fairly wide opportunity, both here in the U. S. As well as outside to grow that footprint both through SMAs as well as larger specialized products. To. In terms of where we're spending time across that asset class, I would say like we do in all the other asset classes, it's to broad ranging part of our value add proposition to the customer is that we're able to go wherever they need us to be. Speaker 200:23:03We have a wide variety of expertise and resources and those resources again are deployed around the globe, allowing us to be opportunistic, but also allowing us to meet whatever needs those clients have. Speaker 400:23:17Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:25Your next Speaker 600:23:35Maybe first, we hear from a number of market participants about the credit environment and that in the U. S. We're sort of in the golden age of all credit. On the fund side as Eric, I think you highlighted, the credit assets continue to grow nicely. What I'm curious about is to what to the extent are you seeing outsized client interest in the credit separate account operation? Speaker 600:24:00And here is interest in credit actually growing the pie. Are you basically seeing investors come to Hamilton Lane with additional capital to try to take advantage of your credit capabilities or are you seeing more of a change in allocation maybe from private equity to private credit, which doesn't necessarily grow your overall wallet share. So what are you seeing in private credit on the separate account side? Speaker 200:24:30To Sure, Ken. It's Eric. I think it's probably an and. So I don't think it's a question of People's allocation shifting simply from equity to credit, I think it's probably a little bit more to the multi factored. So if we sort of start at the beginning, interest in credit, particularly in this kind of a market where rates are higher and There's a bunch of banking dislocation. Speaker 200:24:57It's causing the interest in credit to rise. So you're seeing that here in the U. S. As well as outside the U. S. Speaker 200:25:04I think the notion of this is the golden period, we would be a little bit more tempered than that. I think it's relatively early. I think what's happening across the banking sector is very early, and I think you have a lot of players who are trying to sort through things. And I think from a cycle standpoint, also relatively early and I think what we're going to be experiencing over the next few years. But that means interest is rising. Speaker 200:25:32In some cases, credit is much more transactionally oriented, more akin to equity co investing or secondary. And so part of the mix shift that we're seeing is the clients are moving some additional monies away from primary fund commitments into more transactionally oriented investments, credit being a part of that. So while that may not increase to wallet share that certainly does increase relative profitability because as they do more transaction work, That is simply a higher margin and higher revenue portion than simply doing primary fund work. Speaker 600:26:10Okay, great. Thank you. And then Eric, in some conversations you and I have had, you may have mentioned that clients are getting more cost conscious given sort of maybe more challenging market conditions. Can you talk about how cost consciousness is manifesting itself in your business? To maybe talk a little bit about fee rates on the separate account side and maybe the advisory business and how you're approaching that given cost consciousness. Speaker 200:26:49Sure, Ken. It's Eric. So I don't think our industry is unique. I think to Across all industries today, the customer is wanting more for less. We all individually want more for less, whether that's dining, retail, it doesn't really matter. Speaker 200:27:06I think the client is looking for more value for their money. I I think when you're in this kind of an economic environment, that desire of more for less gets heightened. So I don't think there's anything surprising there. I think the onus is then on management to make sure that you are pursuing the right strategic mix of business. To our industry is vast. Speaker 200:27:31Our industry is continuing to grow. Our industry has a variety of players and competitors and there's all kinds of business out there. I think what we would say is not all business is equally attractive, not all clients are equally attractive. And I think a lot of that is reflected in the margin of our business. We've got a better mix shift and that is kind of causing those margins and that operating leverage to be noticeable. Speaker 200:28:01And so I think it's the trend is not surprising. The fee pressure aspect that is existing is not surprising. I think it's just then a question of what kind of a business have you built, what kind of an operating platform are you capable of running and can you pursue growth while at the same time maintaining attractive margins and profitability. Operator00:28:26Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mike Brown of KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:28:32Great. Thank you. Yes, I just wanted to follow-up on maybe on that discussion there, maybe a little more specifically on the fee rate. So You called out how the blended fee rate has been improving over time, but it looks like this quarter to take a step back for both separate accounts and to Specialized Funds. And I understand last quarter had more catch up fee dynamic. Speaker 700:28:54But is there anything else to call out there? And what are to any thoughts on how to think about next quarter or go forward beyond that? Speaker 200:29:05Sure, Mike, Eric. I think you got to just to wash through the retro fee impact. And once you do that, if you sort of look at the fees and kind of 3 big components. So component 1 would be to customize separate account fee. I think there, fee rates have been relatively steady. Speaker 200:29:21It's probably the part of the business that you do see more fee pressure. Bucket 2 specialized funds, those fee rates are incredibly steady. Our products are well established. They're market leaders. And as a result, we're sort of receiving atorabovelevelkind of market fee rates. Speaker 200:29:40And then really what's driving The fees, frankly, if you look at a longer trend kind of up into the right is the evergreen product. So it's a higher fee rate than our other specialized funds and higher than the SMAs. And so when you look at just the growth of that evergreen business Coupled with an increasing mix shift towards more specialized funds than Evergreen, that's Resulting in that longer term trend of total fee rates moving up into the right. Speaker 700:30:14Okay, great. Glad to hear that. And then just to change gears to the Evergreen platforms here, it's obviously great to hear that you've been added to Wirehouses. What's your expectation for maybe the balance of the year? Is there still a lot of dialogues happening where you could to see more wins come through. Speaker 700:30:35And then based on either what you've seen historically or based on your expectations, to How does the how does it kind of ramp from there? How does the AUM growth ramp with a wirehouse addition? I imagine it's still quite competitive in terms of shelf space, but just interested to hear your thoughts on that. Speaker 200:30:57Sure. Mike, Eric, I'll stick with that. I think getting on those platforms is incredibly competitive. So getting on a top tier Market leading wirehouse is very different than simply getting access to an individual wealth management platform. And so accomplishing 2 of the leading wire houses, I think, is a significant accomplishment for our platform. Speaker 200:31:25I think it's sort of showing both the quality of the product, the quality of the performance and the fact that we have to kind of necessary scale for those wirehouses to feel confident that we're able to continue to grow substantially from here. What the flows look like, I think it's to be determined. We'll obviously be reporting on it quarterly. I think we're to very optimistic about the nature of the relationships. The initial feedback from both the WireHouse and the underlying Customer base is a unique differentiated product and interest and demand feels positive and good. Speaker 200:32:05Yes, you heard from others, we're still operating in a fairly choppy, volatile to Retail Investor Market Environment. And so you're both coupling that environment with required around what is something that is still relatively new to most investors. And so again, we view this as a long term march to something that is very, very substantial part of this business and the fact that in this environment, as we've said, we've to literally 1 month in our history of something other than net inflow, I think is pretty remarkable. We feel really good about that. And I think the flows that we're seeing now, as Brian referenced, kind of that $80,000,000 of net inflow a month, It feels like a terrific place to be all things considered and we see continued growth from here. Speaker 200:32:58To Speaker 400:33:01the Operator00:33:04operator. Thank you. There are no further questions at at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Eric Hirsch for closing remarks. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:33:13Again, thank you for your time. Thank you for the questions. Wishing everyone a safe and happy Memorial Day, and let us all keep in mind those that have sacrificed for us during that time period. So again, thank you. Operator00:33:29To this conference call. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, afternoon or evening. My name is JL, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Hamilton Lane Fiscal 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. A supplemental slide presentation to accompany the prepared remarks can be found on the company's website. Operator00:00:22After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to John Oh, Head of Shareholder Relations. Mr. Oh, you may begin your conference. Speaker 100:00:46Thank you, JL. Good morning and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q4 and fiscal year end 2023 earnings call. Today. I will be joined by Eric Hirsch, Vice Chairman Brian Gilday, Managing Director, Investments and Atul Varma, CFO. To the call. Speaker 100:01:01Before we discuss the quarter's results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward looking statements based on our current expectations for the business. To the operator. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the actual results to differ materially. For a discussion of these risks, to the operator. Please review the risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2022 10 ks and subsequent reports we filed with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:25To the call. We will also be referring to non GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non GAAP measures to GAAP to the earnings presentation materials made available on the shareholder section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results will be made available when our 10 ks is filed. To Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or solicitation the purchase interest in any of Hamilton Maine's products. Speaker 100:01:52To. Beginning with the financial highlights. For fiscal 2023, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 18%, while our fee related earnings grew by 10% versus the prior year. This translated into full year GAAP EPS of $3.01 based on $109,000,000 of GAAP net income and non GAAP EPS of $3.34 based on $180,000,000 of adjusted net income. Lastly, our Board has approved an 11% increase to our annual fiscal dividend to $1.78 per share to the floor. Speaker 100:02:26$0.445 per share per quarter. This marks the 6th consecutive annual double digit percentage increase to our dividends to Going Public in 2017. Our ability to consistently increase distribution to shareholders every year speak to the growth and strength of our business. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Eric. Speaker 200:02:46Thank you, John, and good morning. Despite a challenging market backdrop, to our strong momentum and performance continues. This is mainly due to the dedication and devotion shown by our team around the world. To the operator. We are working hard to deliver for our clients. Speaker 200:03:01It is then nice when that hard work is recognized, and so I begin here by acknowledging a number of notable awards that the to the firm has recently won. For the 3rd consecutive year, Hamilton Lane was named to Korea's Economic Daily's Best of the Best Asset Managers and the only firm who have won this distinction every year since it began. In addition to that, we were awarded with the secondary deal of the year in Asia by Private Equity International and also named at the inaugural Forbes 50 Financial All Stars list as selected by sector specialists at KBW. To These awards exemplify our commitment to our clients and highlight our global leadership within this asset class. To We've also continued our growth and reinvestment in the business by announcing our most recent office opening. Speaker 200:03:47We now welcome Shanghai to the Hamilton Lane family. To Shanghai marks our 22nd office globally and 6th in the Asia Pacific region. Lastly, and before we move to the results for the year, to I want to briefly highlight a major annual event for us, the release of the Hamilton Lane market overview. This overview brings together the best of our firm, to data, analytics, industry expertise, insights and a little humor. The market overview experience has grown considerably over the years to now include various multimedia aspects alongside the written narrative. Speaker 200:04:25Attendance of the broadcast has also continued to expand with over 1400 attendees joining us live this year, to the Q1 of 2019. Up 35% from last year and over 3,500 enjoying it on demand. For those who have not had an opportunity to to market overview, I would encourage you to visit our website for more information. Let's shift gears now and move to some results for the year. Our total asset footprint, which we define as the sum of our AUM and AUA stood at $857,000,000,000 and represents a 5% to the decrease to our footprint year over year. Speaker 200:05:03AUM growth year over year, which was over $6,000,000,000 or 5%, to the floor to our Specialized Funds and Customized Separate Accounts. AUA was net down $50,000,000,000 to the Q4 negative 6% year over year, the result of the expiration of a small revenue reporting mandate offset by mark to market movements. As a reminder, AUA can fluctuate for a variety of reasons, but the revenue associated with AUA does not necessarily move in lockstep with those changes. This was true for this period whereby despite the reduction in AUA, revenue actually increased. Turning now to AUM. Speaker 200:05:42For fiscal 2023, total fee earned and AUM stood at $57,300,000,000 and grew $8,200,000,000 or 17% relative to the prior year stemming from positive fund flows across both our specialized funds and our customized separate accounts. To the operator. Taken separately, dollars 3,700,000,000 of net fee earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts and over the same time period, to $4,500,000,000 came from our specialized funds. Our blended fee rate across both customized separate accounts and specialized funds has recently been increasing over the past few quarters. This stems from the continuing shift in the mix of our fee earning AUM towards higher fee rate specialized funds, most notably our Evergreen products. Speaker 200:06:32Moving to customized separate account flows. To the earnings AUM here stood at $34,700,000,000 growing 12% over the past 12 months. We continue to see the growth coming across type, size and geographic location of the clients. Over the last 12 months, more than 80% of the gross inflows into customized separate accounts came from our existing client base, which continues to be a steady source of growth for our separate account business. But again, despite a very large installed client base, to the remainder of new inflows continue to be driven by new relationships, something of which we are very proud. Speaker 200:07:15To Let me now turn over to Brian to cover our specialized fund flows. Speaker 300:07:19Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Growth continues to be strong for our specialized funds. To the earnings AUM stood at $22,700,000,000 at year end. Over the past 12 months, we achieved positive net inflows to $4,500,000,000 representing growth of 25%. This growth stems from additional closes for funds currently in market, to continued investment activity and growth in our Evergreen platform. Speaker 300:07:48Let's dive into some of the drivers of this growth and then I'll wrap with some commentary on our Evergreen platform. Beginning with Secondary Fund 6, fundraising continues to progress well here. During the quarter, we held the 4th close for the fund that totaled just under $300,000,000 of investor commitment. To this close generated $1,800,000 in retro fees for the quarter. The total capital raise for Fund 6 to the company. Speaker 300:08:16Now it stands at nearly $2,000,000,000 with the fund remaining in market into the Q4 of calendar 2023 with both our strong fundraising pipeline and attractive deal flow. Moving on to our strategic opportunities fund, to our direct credit strategy. We have successfully grown this platform over the past 7 vintages and are now pleased to announce the initial closings for our 8th series. To date, we have closed on over $338,000,000 of commitments for this most recent series and look to continue to capitalize on the growth in private credit. We'll be in market with this 8 series throughout the remainder of calendar 2023. Speaker 300:08:59As a reminder, the prior funds raised nearly $944,000,000 in investor commitment. To. Next up is Impact Fund 2. Since our last update, we held a number of interim closes for the fund and then subsequently held the final close after quarter end. The funds closed with approximately $365,000,000 of healthy commitments to the Fund 2 represents nearly a 4x increase in commitment relative to the first fund. Speaker 300:09:31In addition to the capital raised directly by the fund, we also raised over $500,000,000 of separate account capital as part of the broader platform and together with Impact Fund 2, speaks to our continued presence as an emerging leader in sustainable and impact investing. We are encouraged by the scaling, the attractiveness of our deal flow and the strong initial results. Let's move now to our Evergreen platform, which continues to perform very well despite the macro environment. The platform currently stands at nearly $3,700,000,000 of AUM across 3 offerings and is growing 42% in the past 12 months. For the quarter, we averaged nearly $80,000,000 of monthly net to Inflows in aggregate across all three of our offerings. Speaker 300:10:21The success has been driven by both growing and expanding with our existing distribution channels and adding new distribution relationships. Significantly, we are pleased to announce that our U. S. Evergreen product to have now been on boarded on 2 of the preeminent WireHouse platforms. In addition, we continue to complement our distribution strategy with technology partners who offer differentiated access to our products, namely through tokenization. Speaker 300:10:50Our Senior Credit Evergreen Fund, SCOPE, to the most recent to announce 2 new tokenized offerings in partnership with Alta and Securitize, which Eric will touch on shortly. Stepping back, while still early days for these new relationships, we look forward to providing their clients with direct and unique access to the private market. To Before I wrap, I wanted to take a moment to touch on a number of new funds that we have recently launched. I'll start with our 2nd infrastructure opportunities fund. We successfully raised our 1st infrastructure opportunities fund with nearly $575,000,000 of investor commitment in and alongside the fund. Speaker 300:11:32To the platform invest in infrastructure transactions, both direct opportunities and secondary alongside leading GPs in the global private infrastructure space. The funding has done well to date with the current portfolio generating strong initial returns. To We are pleased with the early success and will now look to capitalize on that momentum and grow the platform with the launch of our second fund. To the Hamilton Lane Venture Access Fund. We've been actively investing in the venture space since 1996, primarily to our separate accounts and advisory businesses. Speaker 300:12:11With this new product, we'll look to draw upon our long standing successful track record alongside the relationships we've forged along the way to provide investors with access to top venture managers by way of primary, to the secondary and co investment opportunities through a coming of fund. Subsequent to quarter end, we held the 1st close for the fund with $105,000,000 of investor commitment. We are encouraged with the early momentum with this inaugural fund and look forward to providing more updates as the fundraise progresses. I'll now turn the call back over to Eric for an update on our strategic technology partnership. Speaker 200:12:51Thanks, Brian. And as Brian just alluded, we remain active in our pursuit of identifying cutting edge technology solutions to continue to improve and enhance this asset class. We recently announced a new partnership with Ulta, who operates 1 of Southeast Asia's largest digital marketplaces for to Alternative Assets. Ulta, together with our existing partnerships with Securitize and Addix allows us to tokenize access to Hamilton Lane products and further addresses the continued increase in demand for unique private market offerings from both U. S. Speaker 200:13:24And Asian individual investors. We have been at the forefront of driving the tokenization movement in this asset class as we believe it will continue to provide expanded access to a larger universe of global investors. Speaker 400:13:36To the Q1. Let me now Speaker 200:13:38move on to our balance sheet portfolio and highlight our recent investment in Nevada. We call that Nevada's to Form and Unique Technology Enables the Private Markets to Achieve A More Sustainable and Inclusive Form of Capitalism by the Way of Streamline Data Collection, to Analysis and Reporting for Relevant and Important ESG Metrics. On February 28, Nevada closed a $30,000,000 Series to the e round of financing, which Hamilton Lane was proud to lead. We were joined by existing Nevada investors, S&P Global and the Ford Foundation, along with Nevada's newest investor, Microsoft, through their client innovation on as well as adding Northern Trust. In addition, leading general partners investing via their balance sheet or personal partner capital joined the round and included Clear Lake Capital, to Helman and Friedman, Kohlberg and Company, Lindsay Goldberg and The Vistria Group. Speaker 200:14:38Based on the valuation of the Series B round, to our investment in Nevada is now currently marked at 1.9x our invested capital. Nevada has to experience tremendous growth in the short amount of time that we've been in operation. It speaks to the unmet need that Nevada is solving for and we are proud to continue supporting them alongside leading global institutions in furthering their mission. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Atul to cover the financials. Speaker 400:15:06Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. For fiscal 2023, we achieved strong growth in our business with management advisory fees of 18% versus the prior year. Our specialized funds revenue increased by $46,200,000 or 31% compared to the prior year. This was driven primarily by a $1,100,000,000 increase feared in AUM in our Evergreen platform and nearly $2,000,000,000 raised from March in our latest secondary fund. Retro to the earnings release for the year were approximately $2,400,000 stemming primarily from our latest direct equity fund versus a minimal amount in the prior year period. Speaker 400:15:49To. As a reminder, investors that come into later closes during the fundraise pay retroactive fees dating back to the funds first close. To the call. We expect to generate additional retro fees as we hold subsequent closes for our latest secondary fund. To the customer separate accounts. Speaker 400:16:09Revenue increased $14,500,000 or 14% compared to the prior year period due to the re ups from existing clients, the addition of several new accounts and continued investment activity. To. Revenue from our advisory, reporting and other offerings decreased $3,100,000 compared to the prior year period, primarily due to a decrease in revenue from our distribution management business, partially offset by increases in fund reimbursement and reporting revenue. To the operator. The final component of our revenue is incentive fees. Speaker 400:16:45Incentive fees for the year totaled $156,900,000 to. As we have detailed on prior calls, the increase in total incentive fee during fiscal 2023 stems from the cash up positions that a number of our vehicles to the fiscal year. We view these results as episodic and not indicative of a normalized amount relative to the total revenue. To Speaker 100:17:10Let me now turn Speaker 400:17:11to some additional detail on our unrealized carry balance. The balance was down 14% from the prior year period, primarily due to the recognition of $156,900,000 of incentive fee along with a small mark to market movement during the last 12 months. The unrealized carry balance now stands at slightly over $1,000,000,000 Moving to expenses. Total expenses increased $90,400,000 compared to the prior year. Total compensation and benefits increased by to $9,200,000 driven primarily by compensation associated with the increased amount of incentive fees as well as continued headcount growth throughout the year. Speaker 400:17:57G and A expense for the period increased $21,100,000 driven primarily by revenue related expenses such as 3rd party commissions and fund expenses as well as travel in conference expenses, which were limited during the COVID period. Our fee related earnings were up 10% relative to the prior year as a result of the management fee in AUM growth discussed earlier and offset somewhat by the increase in expenses I just outlined. To I'll wrap up here with some commentary on our balance sheet. Our largest asset continues to be our investments alongside our clients in our customized separate accounts and specialized funds. Over the long term, we view these investments as an important component of our continued growth and we'll continue to invest our balance sheet capital alongside our clients. Speaker 400:18:51Lastly, in regard to our liabilities, we continue to be modestly better. And with that, we thank you for joining the call and are happy to open it up for questions. Operator00:19:04Thank you. Speaker 200:19:19To your questions. Operator00:19:20Your first question comes from the line of Michael Cyprys of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:27Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping you might be able to talk about what you guys are seeing in to secondary's marketplace. Just given everything going on from a macro perspective, it would seem like that's an area that could see more to transactional activity. So just curious if you could just maybe share some perspective and color on what you're seeing in the marketplace, how you expect that to play out over the next couple of quarters. Speaker 500:19:52And from an activity level standpoint, what implications could there be for to Hamilton Lane there in terms of maybe pulling forward any sort of next fundraising or maybe deploying and charging on committed capital there that could be from a management fee standpoint. And then just any sort of color around bid ask spreads in the secondary market and how that's evolving? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:13Yes, Mike, it's Eric. I'll take that. I think you're certainly seeing an increase in interesting deal activity. But I think as it often happens in the FAFSA class, it takes a while to kind of reach to an appropriate bid ask spread. So right now transaction volumes are relatively muted, as I think both sides are still trying to sort through what their outlook is for the market and pricing going forward. Speaker 200:20:43I think interest in using secondaries as a way to free up capital for both LPs and GPs continues to rise. I think interest and understanding in secondaries from investors also continues to rise. So I think if the market continues as it is today, I would envision that you could certainly see the potential for faster dollar deployment. On your pricing point, we already charge on committed capital. So The current market environment is not altering any of that dynamic. Speaker 400:21:17Great. Speaker 500:21:17And then just maybe a follow-up question, if I could, on the infrastructure platform that you guys are continuing to build out. It sounded like your prior fund And SMA capital you had raised was just under $600,000,000 or so. If you could talk about the opportunity that you see with the next series that you're raising and the SMA capital that might be raised alongside, would you expect that to scale? We also hear it's a bit more challenging environment for raising capital, but understandably maybe to structure a little bit lesser impacted. So just curious your perspective there. Speaker 500:21:47And if you could just comment more broadly on the opportunity set that you see in infrastructure, how big of an opportunity could that be for Hamilton Lane and what part of the infrastructure marketplace are you seeing the more attractive areas to play into? Speaker 200:22:01Sure, Mike. It's Eric. I'll stick with that. So we've been in the infrastructure business for quite some time. We had just been doing it through SMAs as well as a little bit of advisory work. Speaker 200:22:12We then launched our first specialized product, which as you noted, that product alone was really that to $600,000,000 a little bit under. And now having deployed that successfully, we're back to market. We see the space as growing. We see the space as large. We see our footprint in the space as being important, but relatively modest in its size. Speaker 200:22:33And so we see a fairly wide opportunity, both here in the U. S. As well as outside to grow that footprint both through SMAs as well as larger specialized products. To. In terms of where we're spending time across that asset class, I would say like we do in all the other asset classes, it's to broad ranging part of our value add proposition to the customer is that we're able to go wherever they need us to be. Speaker 200:23:03We have a wide variety of expertise and resources and those resources again are deployed around the globe, allowing us to be opportunistic, but also allowing us to meet whatever needs those clients have. Speaker 400:23:17Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:25Your next Speaker 600:23:35Maybe first, we hear from a number of market participants about the credit environment and that in the U. S. We're sort of in the golden age of all credit. On the fund side as Eric, I think you highlighted, the credit assets continue to grow nicely. What I'm curious about is to what to the extent are you seeing outsized client interest in the credit separate account operation? Speaker 600:24:00And here is interest in credit actually growing the pie. Are you basically seeing investors come to Hamilton Lane with additional capital to try to take advantage of your credit capabilities or are you seeing more of a change in allocation maybe from private equity to private credit, which doesn't necessarily grow your overall wallet share. So what are you seeing in private credit on the separate account side? Speaker 200:24:30To Sure, Ken. It's Eric. I think it's probably an and. So I don't think it's a question of People's allocation shifting simply from equity to credit, I think it's probably a little bit more to the multi factored. So if we sort of start at the beginning, interest in credit, particularly in this kind of a market where rates are higher and There's a bunch of banking dislocation. Speaker 200:24:57It's causing the interest in credit to rise. So you're seeing that here in the U. S. As well as outside the U. S. Speaker 200:25:04I think the notion of this is the golden period, we would be a little bit more tempered than that. I think it's relatively early. I think what's happening across the banking sector is very early, and I think you have a lot of players who are trying to sort through things. And I think from a cycle standpoint, also relatively early and I think what we're going to be experiencing over the next few years. But that means interest is rising. Speaker 200:25:32In some cases, credit is much more transactionally oriented, more akin to equity co investing or secondary. And so part of the mix shift that we're seeing is the clients are moving some additional monies away from primary fund commitments into more transactionally oriented investments, credit being a part of that. So while that may not increase to wallet share that certainly does increase relative profitability because as they do more transaction work, That is simply a higher margin and higher revenue portion than simply doing primary fund work. Speaker 600:26:10Okay, great. Thank you. And then Eric, in some conversations you and I have had, you may have mentioned that clients are getting more cost conscious given sort of maybe more challenging market conditions. Can you talk about how cost consciousness is manifesting itself in your business? To maybe talk a little bit about fee rates on the separate account side and maybe the advisory business and how you're approaching that given cost consciousness. Speaker 200:26:49Sure, Ken. It's Eric. So I don't think our industry is unique. I think to Across all industries today, the customer is wanting more for less. We all individually want more for less, whether that's dining, retail, it doesn't really matter. Speaker 200:27:06I think the client is looking for more value for their money. I I think when you're in this kind of an economic environment, that desire of more for less gets heightened. So I don't think there's anything surprising there. I think the onus is then on management to make sure that you are pursuing the right strategic mix of business. To our industry is vast. Speaker 200:27:31Our industry is continuing to grow. Our industry has a variety of players and competitors and there's all kinds of business out there. I think what we would say is not all business is equally attractive, not all clients are equally attractive. And I think a lot of that is reflected in the margin of our business. We've got a better mix shift and that is kind of causing those margins and that operating leverage to be noticeable. Speaker 200:28:01And so I think it's the trend is not surprising. The fee pressure aspect that is existing is not surprising. I think it's just then a question of what kind of a business have you built, what kind of an operating platform are you capable of running and can you pursue growth while at the same time maintaining attractive margins and profitability. Operator00:28:26Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mike Brown of KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:28:32Great. Thank you. Yes, I just wanted to follow-up on maybe on that discussion there, maybe a little more specifically on the fee rate. So You called out how the blended fee rate has been improving over time, but it looks like this quarter to take a step back for both separate accounts and to Specialized Funds. And I understand last quarter had more catch up fee dynamic. Speaker 700:28:54But is there anything else to call out there? And what are to any thoughts on how to think about next quarter or go forward beyond that? Speaker 200:29:05Sure, Mike, Eric. I think you got to just to wash through the retro fee impact. And once you do that, if you sort of look at the fees and kind of 3 big components. So component 1 would be to customize separate account fee. I think there, fee rates have been relatively steady. Speaker 200:29:21It's probably the part of the business that you do see more fee pressure. Bucket 2 specialized funds, those fee rates are incredibly steady. Our products are well established. They're market leaders. And as a result, we're sort of receiving atorabovelevelkind of market fee rates. Speaker 200:29:40And then really what's driving The fees, frankly, if you look at a longer trend kind of up into the right is the evergreen product. So it's a higher fee rate than our other specialized funds and higher than the SMAs. And so when you look at just the growth of that evergreen business Coupled with an increasing mix shift towards more specialized funds than Evergreen, that's Resulting in that longer term trend of total fee rates moving up into the right. Speaker 700:30:14Okay, great. Glad to hear that. And then just to change gears to the Evergreen platforms here, it's obviously great to hear that you've been added to Wirehouses. What's your expectation for maybe the balance of the year? Is there still a lot of dialogues happening where you could to see more wins come through. Speaker 700:30:35And then based on either what you've seen historically or based on your expectations, to How does the how does it kind of ramp from there? How does the AUM growth ramp with a wirehouse addition? I imagine it's still quite competitive in terms of shelf space, but just interested to hear your thoughts on that. Speaker 200:30:57Sure. Mike, Eric, I'll stick with that. I think getting on those platforms is incredibly competitive. So getting on a top tier Market leading wirehouse is very different than simply getting access to an individual wealth management platform. And so accomplishing 2 of the leading wire houses, I think, is a significant accomplishment for our platform. Speaker 200:31:25I think it's sort of showing both the quality of the product, the quality of the performance and the fact that we have to kind of necessary scale for those wirehouses to feel confident that we're able to continue to grow substantially from here. What the flows look like, I think it's to be determined. We'll obviously be reporting on it quarterly. I think we're to very optimistic about the nature of the relationships. The initial feedback from both the WireHouse and the underlying Customer base is a unique differentiated product and interest and demand feels positive and good. Speaker 200:32:05Yes, you heard from others, we're still operating in a fairly choppy, volatile to Retail Investor Market Environment. And so you're both coupling that environment with required around what is something that is still relatively new to most investors. And so again, we view this as a long term march to something that is very, very substantial part of this business and the fact that in this environment, as we've said, we've to literally 1 month in our history of something other than net inflow, I think is pretty remarkable. We feel really good about that. And I think the flows that we're seeing now, as Brian referenced, kind of that $80,000,000 of net inflow a month, It feels like a terrific place to be all things considered and we see continued growth from here. Speaker 200:32:58To Speaker 400:33:01the Operator00:33:04operator. Thank you. There are no further questions at at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Eric Hirsch for closing remarks. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:33:13Again, thank you for your time. Thank you for the questions. Wishing everyone a safe and happy Memorial Day, and let us all keep in mind those that have sacrificed for us during that time period. So again, thank you. 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