NYSE:NFG National Fuel Gas Q2 2023 Earnings Report $78.01 +0.44 (+0.57%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$78.50 +0.49 (+0.63%) As of 08:00 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast National Fuel Gas EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.54Consensus EPS $1.55Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS$1.68National Fuel Gas Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$717.26 millionExpected Revenue$697.11 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$20.15 millionYoY Revenue Growth+2.20%National Fuel Gas Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date5/3/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 4, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsNational Fuel Gas' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q2 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by National Fuel Gas Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 4, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, everyone. I would like to welcome you all to the National Fuel Gas Company Q2 Fiscal Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Reka, and I will be your event specialist operating today's call. After the speakers' presentation today, we will conduct a question and answer session. Thank you. Operator00:00:36I would now like to hand the conference over to our host for today, Brandon Hazlett, Director of Investor Relations. Sir, Brandon, you may begin your conference call. Speaker 100:00:47Thank you, Brika, and good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today's call for a discussion of last evening's earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are Dave Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer Tim Silverstein, Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer and Justin Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream. At the end of the prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions. The Q2 fiscal 2023 earnings release and May investor presentation have been posted on our Investor Relations website. Speaker 100:01:19We may refer to these materials during today's call. We'd like to remind you that today's teleconference will contain forward looking statements. While National Fuel's expectations, beliefs and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially. These statements speak only as of the date on which they are made and you may refer to last evening's earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave Bauer. Speaker 200:01:45Thank you, Brandon, and good morning, everyone. Overall, the Q2 was a good one for National Fuel with strong operational execution across our businesses. Seneca and NFG Midstream had a particularly good quarter. Seneca continues to see excellent results from its development program, which has driven both production and gathering volumes to record levels. Capital spending and per unit operating costs were very much in line with expectations. Speaker 200:02:09Pricing was obviously a headwind for the quarter will likely continue to be challenging in the quarters to come, but we are well hedged for the remainder of this year and for next year. Justin will have a complete update on Seneca's operations later in the call. Seneca was active during the quarter on the land acquisition front. As we announced in our earnings release yesterday, we're acquiring some smaller but highly strategic bolt on opportunities in our Eastern Development area. As I've said on past calls, our A and D strategy in Appalachia is focused on assets that are geographically contiguous, that provide an opportunity to leverage our midstream infrastructure and that can be purchased at a reasonable price. Speaker 200:02:49These acquisitions check each of those boxes. Across the three transactions, we're adding approximately 36,000 largely contiguous acres, most all of which are undeveloped. In addition, we're acquiring approximately 20,000,000 cubic feet per day of flowing production and a PDNP well that can be connected to our Lycoming County gathering system at a relatively low cost. These assets add approximately 50 to 70 EDA locations in some of the most highly prolific Parts of the basin. In addition, these assets allow us the ability to drill longer laterals off more than 20 of our existing development locations, which should further enhance the capital efficiency and returns of our program. Speaker 200:03:33Although these acquisitions will increase our capital outlay for the year, They should be covered entirely by cash from operations. And even considering the transactions, our remaining free cash flow is expected to be sufficient to fund our dividend And to make headway in our goal to reduce absolute levels of debt. Turning to our regulated businesses. Operationally, our Utility and Pipeline and Storage segments Performed well during the quarter, though warmer weather had a negative impact on the utilities' financial results. Higher L M and M costs across the board were also a headwind, But the higher costs were expected and are the main reason we filed a rate case in Pennsylvania and will likely file in New York and with FERC. Speaker 200:04:13Tim will have more to say on this later in Speaker 300:04:15the call. Speaker 200:04:17In March, we reached a settlement in our Pennsylvania rate case. Under that agreement, the parties agreed to, among other things, a $23,000,000 revenue increase effective August 1st And the addition of a weather normalization mechanism. We've had weather norm in New York for many years, but the Pennsylvania Commission has only recently begun to adopt them. This addition is a win win for both our customers and the company, helping to mitigate the volatility in earnings and cash flows resulting from fluctuations in the weather. The settlement, which was unopposed by the parties of the case, was filed with the commission a few weeks ago and is expected to be approved at a summer session. Speaker 200:04:57All in all, I think this is a good settlement for everyone. And I'd like to thank all of our employees that were involved in this proceeding, which was our first rate case in Pennsylvania in over 15 years. In New York, despite widespread opposition from the public, Legislators in Albany continue to pursue natural gas bans. Siena College recently pulled individuals throughout New York State and the results were clear. In our service territory, about 70% of the population is opposed to any type of natural gas ban, whether it be for new construction or in existing homes. Speaker 200:05:32And statewide, nearly 90% of the people surveyed are concerned about the costs associated with moving away from natural gas. Nevertheless, despite this clear message, earlier this week, the state enacted a budget bill that bans natural gas equipment and Building systems and new construction starting in 2026. Governor Hochul, who has advocated for gas bans, signed the legislation into law. On the surface, this appears to be a significant step towards 100% electrification. However, when you dig a little deeper, You find the state tacitly acknowledges the public safety risks of Russian electrification. Speaker 200:06:13For 1, the new rules contain a litany of exemptions, including for backup natural gas generators, hospitals, medical facilities, commercial kitchens and industrial and manufacturing uses. Further, the measure includes a provision that exempts natural gas from new construction in areas where the electric grid cannot support the increased load, which at least in the near term may be much of the state. By its own exemptions, it appears the state recognizes That natural gas is critical for both energy reliability and economic prosperity, which is encouraging. In my view, it's not a big leap To see this list of exemptions expanded to include hybrid heating solutions like we've proposed as part of an all of the above approach to de carbonization. Nor is it a stretch to see rules and regulations that consider regional differences in the state. Speaker 200:07:05Upstate New York is more than 50% colder than downstate And our housing stock is generally older. Continued use of natural gas in Western New York makes perfect sense. It saves money for consumers and improves energy reliability. And the use of the natural gas system to deliver low and no carbon fuels in the future will build on the significant emissions reductions we've already achieved in our area to stay. So how will this legislation affect National Fuel? Speaker 200:07:32From a practical standpoint, I don't see any significant impact for the foreseeable future. For 1, the bans don't apply to existing buildings and about 90% of the buildings in our service territory already heat with natural gas. Further, Western New York isn't seeing major population growth. In fact, much of our construction growth is the result of repurposing of older commercial and industrial buildings to residential or mixed use facilities. And lastly, as I stated earlier, Industrial uses of natural gas are exempt from the bans. Speaker 200:08:05While the threats of more bans and other ill advised electrification actions will continue to exist So long as the legislation remains in session, it's clear that Albany legislators and perhaps even the governor herself are acknowledging the very real fact imposing gas bans on an increasingly concerned public, especially when other more pragmatic solutions are known and achievable. Is at best premature and at worst too much of a risk to businesses and residents in New York. In closing, We continue to execute on our development plans across the system and are seeing great results. As we look forward, we remain focused on the Allocation of capital towards investments that can deliver strong returns through commodity price cycles and generate significant And sustainable free cash flow that further strengthens our investment grade balance sheet and improves our financial flexibility. Before turning the call over to Justin, I want to take a moment to recognize Karen Cammiolo, who retired last Friday. Speaker 200:09:04Karen had a terrific 29 year career with the company, serving as Controller and Chief Accounting Officer for nearly 15 years and CFO for the last four. I wish her the very best in retirement. With that, I'll turn the call over to Justin. Speaker 400:09:19Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Seneca and NFE Midstream had a solid second quarter. Appalachian natural gas production for the quarter came in at 93.2 Bcfe, An increase of 3% sequentially and 12% above last year's Q2 production. This increase was driven by solid operational execution And better than expected production from wells turned online in the first half of the year. We also eclipsed the 1 Bcf per day net average for the quarter, A milestone for us. Speaker 400:09:50This production growth, combined with our 3rd party business, drove record throughput at NFG Midstream. This is a trend we'd expect to continue over the near term, particularly with some incremental third party production that came online at the end of March. The strong production during the quarter offset the headwinds we're facing on the natural gas pricing front. While the long term outlook remains extremely constructive, With NYMEX futures pricing north of $4 per annumbtu in 2025 and beyond, the near term supply demand and storage inventory fundamentals will likely pose some challenges through next winter. We expect in basin pricing will remain challenged over the next couple of months until we get into summer, where increased power load demand is expected to provide more support. Speaker 400:10:33As we enter the late summer, early fall shoulder season, we expect cash prices to deteriorate again as gas storage levels near capacity. However, we are well insulated from this expected pricing weakness with over 90% of our remaining production protected by our valuable marketing portfolio, which significantly dampens our exposure. With prices anticipated to improve by next winter, We are modestly adjusting our operation schedule to target higher production volumes in early fiscal 2024. This will primarily be accomplished by pushing out online dates of a pad or 2 by a couple of months, which will bring flush production online in a higher expected winter pricing environment. This is not anticipated to have a material impact on capital or production during the remainder of the fiscal year. Speaker 400:11:18As it relates to our overall level of capital for the year, we are maintaining our guidance In the range of $525,000,000 to $575,000,000 As we discussed last quarter, our spot completions crew, Top hole rig work and online activity was front loaded in the first half of the fiscal year. As a result, capital will naturally moderate for the remainder of the year. For reference, during the last 6 months of the year, we expect to turn in line 7 to 13 wells compared to 25 operated and 9 non operated wells in the 1st two quarters. Despite these adjustments to our operations plan, our production guidance remains unchanged at 370 Bcfe to 390 Bcfe as the aforementioned strong well performance is expected to offset a modest amount of production that we plan to push to the Q1 of fiscal 2024 to take advantage of higher winter pricing. Taking all of this into consideration, I expect our production will increase again in Q3 before declining in Q4 and into early next year and then ramp up during the peak winter months. Speaker 400:12:25As a reminder, our guidance does not incorporate voluntary pricing related curtailments. Regarding inflation, We are seeing signs of a rollover in service and raw material costs, particularly in tubulars. I believe that the worst of the inflationary headwinds are behind us, and we may see a flat to modest deflationary trend going into fiscal 2024. Looking out longer term, while our existing and firm sales portfolio supports our development plans over the next 12 to 18 months. Beyond fiscal 'twenty four, We may look to shift our activity to maintenance mode. Speaker 400:12:59Absent securing additional firm transportation capacity or the execution of significant new long term firm sales, We plan to move towards maintenance production levels in fiscal 2025 and beyond, reducing our spending levels. Given the integrated nature of our development plans, this is also expected to result in opportunities to lower long term capital investment levels at NFG Midstream as we optimize plans and continue to focus on consolidated returns. As communicated previously, Seneca and NFV Midstream plan to increasingly focus our development free cash flow generation in the years to come. On that note, over the last few months, we've had various long pursued Eastern Development Area bolt on acquisitions all come together at the same time. As Dave mentioned, we announced 3 separate transactions that will further deepen our core inventory of Tioga and Lycoming development locations. Speaker 400:14:00With our large core operating position in the Eastern Development area, we believe we can integrate these assets and create differentiated value. First, Seneca has entered into agreement with Southwestern Energy to acquire approximately 30,000 net acres in Tioga and Potter County. That also includes approximately 20,000,000 cubic feet per day of flowing net production. This acreage is contiguous to our existing Tioga position, allowing significant operational efficiencies. We have also executed 2 smaller contiguous bolt on acquisitions in Tioga and Lycoming Counties, totaling about 6,000 net fee and lease acres with a modest amount of production and 1 proved developed non producing well. Speaker 400:14:42We're excited to close these bolt ons and we'll be looking at opportunities to integrate these assets with National Fuel's existing midstream infrastructure. Turning to our sustainability initiatives, I would like to highlight a program the Seneca construction team is moving forward with, which we have named our surface footprint neutral initiative. Through this initiative, we plan to restore, enhance and protect biodiversity by returning 1 acre of land to its natural state for every acre of pad and road development disturbance required for our operations through a variety of conservation projects. We also continue to make significant progress on our ongoing emissions reduction efforts. Examples include our aerial facility scale monitoring, Thematic device conversions at Seneca and facility modifications at NFT Midstream, and we look forward to sharing more details on our progress when our corporate responsibility report is published later this year. Speaker 400:15:35In conclusion, our team continues to successfully execute our plan. And despite the current natural gas pricing headwinds, Our robust marketing portfolio and integrated development supports long term free cash flow generation. Looking beyond fiscal 2023, Our integrated operations, deep inventory of high quality development acreage and strong culture of safety and sustainability puts us in a great position for continued success throughout all stages of the commodity price cycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:16:06Thanks, Justin, and good morning, everyone. Last evening, National Fuel reported 2nd quarter GAAP earnings of $1.53 per share. Excluding items impacting comparability, our adjusted operating results were $1.54 per share, a decrease of $0.14 from last year's Q2. There were 3 principal drivers of this decrease, with the largest being related to the sale of our California assets, which closed in June of 2022. Last year, California contributed approximately $0.13 in earnings during the quarter. Speaker 300:16:36In addition, we also experienced higher operating costs in our regulated subsidiaries and 11% warmer weather in our utility. Somewhat offsetting these decreases were Seneca's higher production and associated throughput in our gathering business. With respect to weather and regulated operating costs, I'll take a few minutes to address our plans to mitigate their impacts. First, as Dave mentioned, we reached an agreement with parties in our Pennsylvania rate case on a $23,000,000 revenue increase. The settlement agreement was filed in April, And we expect a decision from the commission that would put new rates into effect on August 1. Speaker 300:17:10In addition to the rate increase, the inclusion of a weather normalization mechanism With a dead band of plus or minus 3%, we'll help reduce year to year volatility. With this settlement, we expect to continue to have among the lowest, if not the lowest rates in the Commonwealth, which is a great outcome for our customers. This will go a long way to support our ongoing modernization program, further reducing emissions on our system while mitigating the inflationary pressures we are currently experiencing. In addition to the positive progress in Pennsylvania, In March, the New York Public Service Commission approved a new system improvement tracker. Consistent with our current modernization tracker, this permits us to recover costs associated with new modernization investments. Speaker 300:17:52The newly approved tracker allows us to continue recovering costs associated with system modernization investments Placed in service from April 1 this year through September 2024. For all of fiscal 2023, we expect incremental revenues of up to $5,000,000 associated with these two mechanisms, which will go a long way to improving earned ROEs in New York. In conjunction with the new tracker, we also agreed to a short stay out provision With respect to a potential rate case, the earliest we could file is this fall. Given the ongoing inflationary headwinds and the continued growth in rate base from our modernization program, This is the path we are currently proceeding on. This would put new rates into effect at the start of fiscal 2025. Speaker 300:18:35In our pipeline and storage segment, under our previous rate settlement at Supply Corporation, we can file for a rate increase as early as the end of July. Given our ongoing focus on pipeline modernization and compliance with new regulations, including safety and emission reduction measures, We continue to see rate based growth and cost increases pressuring our returns. As a result, we expect to file a rate case in the summer such that new rates could be in effect as early as next February. Collectively, it's a busy time on the rate case front, but the continued need to focus on system modernization And emission reductions, combined with ongoing inflationary headwinds, supports rate increases at our regulated subsidiaries. As we look into fiscal 2024 and 2025, we expect the resolution of these proceedings to contribute to improving earnings and cash flows. Speaker 300:19:24Turning to the outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2023, we have revised our earnings guidance to a range of $5.10 to $5.40 per share, A decrease of $0.30 or 5% at the midpoint. This is driven by 3 major factors, the largest of which is the lower expected natural gas price realizations for the remainder of the year. Also contributing to the reduction is the effect of warmer weather on our utility business during the Q2 and higher projected interest expense. The latter is due to a larger near term financing need that will result from the expected closing of Seneca's bolt on acquisitions combined with higher interest rates than previously forecasted. Other than these items, the rest of our guidance assumptions for the full year remain unchanged. Speaker 300:20:08With respect to natural gas prices, our new guidance reflects a NYMEX price of $2.50 per MMBtu for the remaining 6 months of the year, which is a $0.75 reduction from our prior guidance. Offsetting some of this impact is the benefit from favorable hedges added during the quarter. For the remainder of the year, we are 77% hedged. This includes 12 Bcf of new NYMEX swaps at a price of $3.25 For reference, a $0.25 change in pricing would impact earnings by $0.09 per share. As a reminder, we have 47 Bcf of costless collars in place, So this impact is not necessarily linear. Speaker 300:20:45On the physical side, we've also been actively locking in near term sales. At the midpoint of our guidance range, We have approximately 92% of our remaining fiscal year volumes tied to a firm sale, which limits the amount of production exposed to in basin pricing. We remain committed to our hedging program and will continue to be methodical in adding new hedges. Given the contango in the natural gas forward curve, We see the opportunity to layer in additional hedges in the coming quarters at strong prices, with a particular focus on 2024 2025. To that end, With the hedges added during the past few months, we are well positioned for next year, where we already have approximately 265 Bcf of hedges in place at good prices. Speaker 300:21:28Lastly, I want to discuss our outlook for free cash flow. You will see that we've switched the presentation of this metric in our IR deck to focus on cash from operations as opposed to funds from operations. While changes in working capital can drive more volatility under this approach, We believe this gives investors a more complete picture. For the year, we now expect free cash flow, inclusive of working capital, to be $410,000,000 before the impact of our recently announced acquisitions. Accounting for approximately $145,000,000 Related to these acquisitions, we are left with $265,000,000 to cover our dividend, with the rest expected to be directed towards debt repayment. Speaker 300:22:08From a financing perspective, we redeemed $549,000,000 of long term debt earlier this year through a combination of short term debt and cash on hand. As a result, our short term borrowings increased to approximately $400,000,000 at the end of March. These borrowings were split between commercial paper and a $250,000,000 term loan that matures at the end of June. Given the inverted yield curve and the more challenging bank market over the past 2 months, we will likely term out a large portion of this short term debt through a long term debt issuance. This will help reduce near term interest expense and free up capacity under our $1,000,000,000 multiyear revolver. Speaker 300:22:47This leaves us with the liquidity to navigate potential macroeconomic challenges and natural gas price volatility in the near term. With long term NYMEX prices trending above $4 our outlook for free cash flow generation remains strong and is supported by our near term hedge book and valuable long term firm sales and firm transportation portfolio. This positions us well to execute on our ongoing deleveraging plans and growing our long standing dividend, all while retaining the flexibility to strategically invest in further growth opportunities or return additional capital to shareholders. With that, I'll ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:23:26Thank you. We have our first questioner on the phone lines from Trafford Lamar of Raymond James. Speaker 500:23:52I guess my first question is for Justin, kind of surrounding the 2024 CapEx. I know it's early, but Justin, I know you mentioned some cost plateauing or even decreasing specifically on the tubular side. What about kind of specifically surrounding service cost deflation, what are you all seeing there on the rig and frac side? Speaker 400:24:18Sure. So at this point, the biggest change that we've seen and so over the last couple of months or so It's just that there's significantly more availability of services. So specifically with your frac and your rig services, We were very, very tight. If you go back 6 to 9 months ago, that's opened up and that in our view is really the first step towards Some reductions. Definitely, I think the leading edge is that there may be some modest decreases around that. Speaker 400:24:52But we think that's really going to play out over the next 3 to 6 months and will significantly relate to the amount of activity In gas basins, but frankly also in the oil basin. So our bias on the service side is kind of flat To modestly declining if you look out 6 to 9 months or so. Speaker 500:25:17Okay, perfect. Appreciate the color on that. And then next question is for, I guess, Dave and Tim. Looking at the balance sheet, you all repaid your 2023 maturities and have leverage right Speaker 600:25:32around 2x. And you mentioned possibly issuing a longer term Speaker 300:25:33maturity to pay off some short Speaker 500:25:34term debt. But with leverage, to pay off some short term debt. But with leverage at 2x, you all are investment grade. How do you all kind of look at kind of a target leverage figure moving forward, especially at this low price Cycle environment. Speaker 300:25:54Yes, Travor, it's a good question. So I mean, I think the way to think about it is In the high ones, low twos is probably the right area for us to be. I mean, obviously, making sure that we can Maintain our metrics comfortably within the bounds that the rating agencies have said through the lower points of the cycle. And if you look at where we're at right now, We've got lots of room within our current guidelines. So I'd say where we are at today and trending into the high ones Over the next year or 2 is the spot for us. Speaker 500:26:31Okay, perfect. Thank you, guys. Speaker 200:26:34Yes. Thank you. Operator00:26:37Thank you. We have had no further questions We do have a follow-up question on the line from Trafford Le Mans. Speaker 500:27:11Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me get one more in here. I guess, the Last thing I have is really on free cash flow. And if you all really considered working in buybacks To your shareholder return framework, I mean, obviously, you all have the base, Dib, but I just want to get your thoughts on potential buybacks moving forward. Speaker 200:27:34Yes. Certainly, there would be the potential for that down the road. Our first goal is to get Our absolute levels of leverage down, so not just our metrics like FFO to debt And debt to EBITDA, but actual total leverage down. Once we hit that, we'll evaluate different opportunities. I mean, our hope is that something We come along that allow us to grow the company rather than shrink it through a buyback. Speaker 200:28:05But absent those opportunities, a buyback is something that we would certainly consider. Speaker 600:28:13That makes sense. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:28:16You bet. Operator00:28:22Thank you. We have no further questions on the line. We now have a question from Timothy Winter of Scobelli and Company. Speaker 600:28:33Good morning and thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit more about the planned decision to go to a maintenance mode. What's all sort of underlying that plan? And what would maintenance mode look like from a capital expenditure and production guidance look like? Sure. Speaker 400:29:01Thanks for your question, Tim. What really underpins our development plans and our production growth has remained consistent for a long time now. And it's the ability to reach premium markets. And so we've been fortunate. We've had a really solid firm transportation portfolio. Speaker 400:29:18And if you recall, About 16 months ago now, we were able to our sister companies, FM 100 and the Leidy South project came online giving us a Significant leg of growth opportunity into strong markets and we've augmented that plus our other firm Feet with firm sales. And so as we look to the future, we don't anticipate any new build infrastructure is going to get announced and get built By 2025, there's the possibility of capacity turn backs and we've Been successful at a couple of those over the last year. And there's the potential also of Additional long term firm sales, which has been a practice of ours for a long time. But our view is very much If we don't have a premium market that we'll move the vast majority of our gas to, the right answer is To moderate our capital levels and moderate our production to basically match our long term Takeaway. And then of course, augmenting all of that with our long standing policy around methodically entering hedges. Speaker 400:30:31As it relates to capital, nothing has really changed much with the prior discussion on that. The general view is that you'd kind of have excluding any sort of inflation or service cost changes, kind of apple apple On the comment, but generally I would expect Seneca and Midstream Capital would be 50 or excuse me, 75 To $150,000,000 less per year below current levels. And so There'll be a little bit of a noise in that range and we may have a large midstream infrastructure project or something like that in a given year that can move you around or An extra pad being completed and so forth. But that would be the general view on the long term trend and it's something we'll be talking more about in the coming quarters. Speaker 600:31:25Okay, great. Thank you. That's very helpful. Operator00:31:31Thank you. As we have no questions registered, I'll hand it back to Brandon Hasbitt for any final remarks. Speaker 100:31:53Thank you, Brika. We'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of this call will be available this afternoon on both our website and by telephone and will run through the close of business on Thursday, May 11. To access the replay online, please visit our Investor Relations website at investor. Nationalfuelgas.com And access by telephone call 1-eight sixty six-eight thirteen-nine thousand four hundred and three, provide access code 313,864. Speaker 100:32:21This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you and goodbye. Operator00:32:28Thank you all for joining. I can confirm that does conclude today's call. 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The Exploration and Production segment explores for, develops, and produces natural gas and oil. The Pipeline and Storage segment provides interstate natural gas transportation services through an integrated gas pipeline system in Pennsylvania and New York; and owns and operates underground natural gas storage fields. This segment also transports natural gas for National Fuel Gas Distribution Corporation, as well as for other utilities, industrial companies, and power producers in New York State. The Gathering segment builds, owns, and operates natural gas processing and pipeline gathering facilities in the Appalachian region, as well as provides gathering services to Seneca. The Utility segment sells natural gas or provides natural gas utility services to various customers in Buffalo, Niagara Falls, and Jamestown, New York; and Erie and Sharon, Pennsylvania. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon, everyone. I would like to welcome you all to the National Fuel Gas Company Q2 Fiscal Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Reka, and I will be your event specialist operating today's call. After the speakers' presentation today, we will conduct a question and answer session. Thank you. Operator00:00:36I would now like to hand the conference over to our host for today, Brandon Hazlett, Director of Investor Relations. Sir, Brandon, you may begin your conference call. Speaker 100:00:47Thank you, Brika, and good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today's call for a discussion of last evening's earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are Dave Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer Tim Silverstein, Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer and Justin Loweth, President of Seneca Resources and National Fuel Midstream. At the end of the prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions. The Q2 fiscal 2023 earnings release and May investor presentation have been posted on our Investor Relations website. Speaker 100:01:19We may refer to these materials during today's call. We'd like to remind you that today's teleconference will contain forward looking statements. While National Fuel's expectations, beliefs and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially. These statements speak only as of the date on which they are made and you may refer to last evening's earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave Bauer. Speaker 200:01:45Thank you, Brandon, and good morning, everyone. Overall, the Q2 was a good one for National Fuel with strong operational execution across our businesses. Seneca and NFG Midstream had a particularly good quarter. Seneca continues to see excellent results from its development program, which has driven both production and gathering volumes to record levels. Capital spending and per unit operating costs were very much in line with expectations. Speaker 200:02:09Pricing was obviously a headwind for the quarter will likely continue to be challenging in the quarters to come, but we are well hedged for the remainder of this year and for next year. Justin will have a complete update on Seneca's operations later in the call. Seneca was active during the quarter on the land acquisition front. As we announced in our earnings release yesterday, we're acquiring some smaller but highly strategic bolt on opportunities in our Eastern Development area. As I've said on past calls, our A and D strategy in Appalachia is focused on assets that are geographically contiguous, that provide an opportunity to leverage our midstream infrastructure and that can be purchased at a reasonable price. Speaker 200:02:49These acquisitions check each of those boxes. Across the three transactions, we're adding approximately 36,000 largely contiguous acres, most all of which are undeveloped. In addition, we're acquiring approximately 20,000,000 cubic feet per day of flowing production and a PDNP well that can be connected to our Lycoming County gathering system at a relatively low cost. These assets add approximately 50 to 70 EDA locations in some of the most highly prolific Parts of the basin. In addition, these assets allow us the ability to drill longer laterals off more than 20 of our existing development locations, which should further enhance the capital efficiency and returns of our program. Speaker 200:03:33Although these acquisitions will increase our capital outlay for the year, They should be covered entirely by cash from operations. And even considering the transactions, our remaining free cash flow is expected to be sufficient to fund our dividend And to make headway in our goal to reduce absolute levels of debt. Turning to our regulated businesses. Operationally, our Utility and Pipeline and Storage segments Performed well during the quarter, though warmer weather had a negative impact on the utilities' financial results. Higher L M and M costs across the board were also a headwind, But the higher costs were expected and are the main reason we filed a rate case in Pennsylvania and will likely file in New York and with FERC. Speaker 200:04:13Tim will have more to say on this later in Speaker 300:04:15the call. Speaker 200:04:17In March, we reached a settlement in our Pennsylvania rate case. Under that agreement, the parties agreed to, among other things, a $23,000,000 revenue increase effective August 1st And the addition of a weather normalization mechanism. We've had weather norm in New York for many years, but the Pennsylvania Commission has only recently begun to adopt them. This addition is a win win for both our customers and the company, helping to mitigate the volatility in earnings and cash flows resulting from fluctuations in the weather. The settlement, which was unopposed by the parties of the case, was filed with the commission a few weeks ago and is expected to be approved at a summer session. Speaker 200:04:57All in all, I think this is a good settlement for everyone. And I'd like to thank all of our employees that were involved in this proceeding, which was our first rate case in Pennsylvania in over 15 years. In New York, despite widespread opposition from the public, Legislators in Albany continue to pursue natural gas bans. Siena College recently pulled individuals throughout New York State and the results were clear. In our service territory, about 70% of the population is opposed to any type of natural gas ban, whether it be for new construction or in existing homes. Speaker 200:05:32And statewide, nearly 90% of the people surveyed are concerned about the costs associated with moving away from natural gas. Nevertheless, despite this clear message, earlier this week, the state enacted a budget bill that bans natural gas equipment and Building systems and new construction starting in 2026. Governor Hochul, who has advocated for gas bans, signed the legislation into law. On the surface, this appears to be a significant step towards 100% electrification. However, when you dig a little deeper, You find the state tacitly acknowledges the public safety risks of Russian electrification. Speaker 200:06:13For 1, the new rules contain a litany of exemptions, including for backup natural gas generators, hospitals, medical facilities, commercial kitchens and industrial and manufacturing uses. Further, the measure includes a provision that exempts natural gas from new construction in areas where the electric grid cannot support the increased load, which at least in the near term may be much of the state. By its own exemptions, it appears the state recognizes That natural gas is critical for both energy reliability and economic prosperity, which is encouraging. In my view, it's not a big leap To see this list of exemptions expanded to include hybrid heating solutions like we've proposed as part of an all of the above approach to de carbonization. Nor is it a stretch to see rules and regulations that consider regional differences in the state. Speaker 200:07:05Upstate New York is more than 50% colder than downstate And our housing stock is generally older. Continued use of natural gas in Western New York makes perfect sense. It saves money for consumers and improves energy reliability. And the use of the natural gas system to deliver low and no carbon fuels in the future will build on the significant emissions reductions we've already achieved in our area to stay. So how will this legislation affect National Fuel? Speaker 200:07:32From a practical standpoint, I don't see any significant impact for the foreseeable future. For 1, the bans don't apply to existing buildings and about 90% of the buildings in our service territory already heat with natural gas. Further, Western New York isn't seeing major population growth. In fact, much of our construction growth is the result of repurposing of older commercial and industrial buildings to residential or mixed use facilities. And lastly, as I stated earlier, Industrial uses of natural gas are exempt from the bans. Speaker 200:08:05While the threats of more bans and other ill advised electrification actions will continue to exist So long as the legislation remains in session, it's clear that Albany legislators and perhaps even the governor herself are acknowledging the very real fact imposing gas bans on an increasingly concerned public, especially when other more pragmatic solutions are known and achievable. Is at best premature and at worst too much of a risk to businesses and residents in New York. In closing, We continue to execute on our development plans across the system and are seeing great results. As we look forward, we remain focused on the Allocation of capital towards investments that can deliver strong returns through commodity price cycles and generate significant And sustainable free cash flow that further strengthens our investment grade balance sheet and improves our financial flexibility. Before turning the call over to Justin, I want to take a moment to recognize Karen Cammiolo, who retired last Friday. Speaker 200:09:04Karen had a terrific 29 year career with the company, serving as Controller and Chief Accounting Officer for nearly 15 years and CFO for the last four. I wish her the very best in retirement. With that, I'll turn the call over to Justin. Speaker 400:09:19Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Seneca and NFE Midstream had a solid second quarter. Appalachian natural gas production for the quarter came in at 93.2 Bcfe, An increase of 3% sequentially and 12% above last year's Q2 production. This increase was driven by solid operational execution And better than expected production from wells turned online in the first half of the year. We also eclipsed the 1 Bcf per day net average for the quarter, A milestone for us. Speaker 400:09:50This production growth, combined with our 3rd party business, drove record throughput at NFG Midstream. This is a trend we'd expect to continue over the near term, particularly with some incremental third party production that came online at the end of March. The strong production during the quarter offset the headwinds we're facing on the natural gas pricing front. While the long term outlook remains extremely constructive, With NYMEX futures pricing north of $4 per annumbtu in 2025 and beyond, the near term supply demand and storage inventory fundamentals will likely pose some challenges through next winter. We expect in basin pricing will remain challenged over the next couple of months until we get into summer, where increased power load demand is expected to provide more support. Speaker 400:10:33As we enter the late summer, early fall shoulder season, we expect cash prices to deteriorate again as gas storage levels near capacity. However, we are well insulated from this expected pricing weakness with over 90% of our remaining production protected by our valuable marketing portfolio, which significantly dampens our exposure. With prices anticipated to improve by next winter, We are modestly adjusting our operation schedule to target higher production volumes in early fiscal 2024. This will primarily be accomplished by pushing out online dates of a pad or 2 by a couple of months, which will bring flush production online in a higher expected winter pricing environment. This is not anticipated to have a material impact on capital or production during the remainder of the fiscal year. Speaker 400:11:18As it relates to our overall level of capital for the year, we are maintaining our guidance In the range of $525,000,000 to $575,000,000 As we discussed last quarter, our spot completions crew, Top hole rig work and online activity was front loaded in the first half of the fiscal year. As a result, capital will naturally moderate for the remainder of the year. For reference, during the last 6 months of the year, we expect to turn in line 7 to 13 wells compared to 25 operated and 9 non operated wells in the 1st two quarters. Despite these adjustments to our operations plan, our production guidance remains unchanged at 370 Bcfe to 390 Bcfe as the aforementioned strong well performance is expected to offset a modest amount of production that we plan to push to the Q1 of fiscal 2024 to take advantage of higher winter pricing. Taking all of this into consideration, I expect our production will increase again in Q3 before declining in Q4 and into early next year and then ramp up during the peak winter months. Speaker 400:12:25As a reminder, our guidance does not incorporate voluntary pricing related curtailments. Regarding inflation, We are seeing signs of a rollover in service and raw material costs, particularly in tubulars. I believe that the worst of the inflationary headwinds are behind us, and we may see a flat to modest deflationary trend going into fiscal 2024. Looking out longer term, while our existing and firm sales portfolio supports our development plans over the next 12 to 18 months. Beyond fiscal 'twenty four, We may look to shift our activity to maintenance mode. Speaker 400:12:59Absent securing additional firm transportation capacity or the execution of significant new long term firm sales, We plan to move towards maintenance production levels in fiscal 2025 and beyond, reducing our spending levels. Given the integrated nature of our development plans, this is also expected to result in opportunities to lower long term capital investment levels at NFG Midstream as we optimize plans and continue to focus on consolidated returns. As communicated previously, Seneca and NFV Midstream plan to increasingly focus our development free cash flow generation in the years to come. On that note, over the last few months, we've had various long pursued Eastern Development Area bolt on acquisitions all come together at the same time. As Dave mentioned, we announced 3 separate transactions that will further deepen our core inventory of Tioga and Lycoming development locations. Speaker 400:14:00With our large core operating position in the Eastern Development area, we believe we can integrate these assets and create differentiated value. First, Seneca has entered into agreement with Southwestern Energy to acquire approximately 30,000 net acres in Tioga and Potter County. That also includes approximately 20,000,000 cubic feet per day of flowing net production. This acreage is contiguous to our existing Tioga position, allowing significant operational efficiencies. We have also executed 2 smaller contiguous bolt on acquisitions in Tioga and Lycoming Counties, totaling about 6,000 net fee and lease acres with a modest amount of production and 1 proved developed non producing well. Speaker 400:14:42We're excited to close these bolt ons and we'll be looking at opportunities to integrate these assets with National Fuel's existing midstream infrastructure. Turning to our sustainability initiatives, I would like to highlight a program the Seneca construction team is moving forward with, which we have named our surface footprint neutral initiative. Through this initiative, we plan to restore, enhance and protect biodiversity by returning 1 acre of land to its natural state for every acre of pad and road development disturbance required for our operations through a variety of conservation projects. We also continue to make significant progress on our ongoing emissions reduction efforts. Examples include our aerial facility scale monitoring, Thematic device conversions at Seneca and facility modifications at NFT Midstream, and we look forward to sharing more details on our progress when our corporate responsibility report is published later this year. Speaker 400:15:35In conclusion, our team continues to successfully execute our plan. And despite the current natural gas pricing headwinds, Our robust marketing portfolio and integrated development supports long term free cash flow generation. Looking beyond fiscal 2023, Our integrated operations, deep inventory of high quality development acreage and strong culture of safety and sustainability puts us in a great position for continued success throughout all stages of the commodity price cycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:16:06Thanks, Justin, and good morning, everyone. Last evening, National Fuel reported 2nd quarter GAAP earnings of $1.53 per share. Excluding items impacting comparability, our adjusted operating results were $1.54 per share, a decrease of $0.14 from last year's Q2. There were 3 principal drivers of this decrease, with the largest being related to the sale of our California assets, which closed in June of 2022. Last year, California contributed approximately $0.13 in earnings during the quarter. Speaker 300:16:36In addition, we also experienced higher operating costs in our regulated subsidiaries and 11% warmer weather in our utility. Somewhat offsetting these decreases were Seneca's higher production and associated throughput in our gathering business. With respect to weather and regulated operating costs, I'll take a few minutes to address our plans to mitigate their impacts. First, as Dave mentioned, we reached an agreement with parties in our Pennsylvania rate case on a $23,000,000 revenue increase. The settlement agreement was filed in April, And we expect a decision from the commission that would put new rates into effect on August 1. Speaker 300:17:10In addition to the rate increase, the inclusion of a weather normalization mechanism With a dead band of plus or minus 3%, we'll help reduce year to year volatility. With this settlement, we expect to continue to have among the lowest, if not the lowest rates in the Commonwealth, which is a great outcome for our customers. This will go a long way to support our ongoing modernization program, further reducing emissions on our system while mitigating the inflationary pressures we are currently experiencing. In addition to the positive progress in Pennsylvania, In March, the New York Public Service Commission approved a new system improvement tracker. Consistent with our current modernization tracker, this permits us to recover costs associated with new modernization investments. Speaker 300:17:52The newly approved tracker allows us to continue recovering costs associated with system modernization investments Placed in service from April 1 this year through September 2024. For all of fiscal 2023, we expect incremental revenues of up to $5,000,000 associated with these two mechanisms, which will go a long way to improving earned ROEs in New York. In conjunction with the new tracker, we also agreed to a short stay out provision With respect to a potential rate case, the earliest we could file is this fall. Given the ongoing inflationary headwinds and the continued growth in rate base from our modernization program, This is the path we are currently proceeding on. This would put new rates into effect at the start of fiscal 2025. Speaker 300:18:35In our pipeline and storage segment, under our previous rate settlement at Supply Corporation, we can file for a rate increase as early as the end of July. Given our ongoing focus on pipeline modernization and compliance with new regulations, including safety and emission reduction measures, We continue to see rate based growth and cost increases pressuring our returns. As a result, we expect to file a rate case in the summer such that new rates could be in effect as early as next February. Collectively, it's a busy time on the rate case front, but the continued need to focus on system modernization And emission reductions, combined with ongoing inflationary headwinds, supports rate increases at our regulated subsidiaries. As we look into fiscal 2024 and 2025, we expect the resolution of these proceedings to contribute to improving earnings and cash flows. Speaker 300:19:24Turning to the outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2023, we have revised our earnings guidance to a range of $5.10 to $5.40 per share, A decrease of $0.30 or 5% at the midpoint. This is driven by 3 major factors, the largest of which is the lower expected natural gas price realizations for the remainder of the year. Also contributing to the reduction is the effect of warmer weather on our utility business during the Q2 and higher projected interest expense. The latter is due to a larger near term financing need that will result from the expected closing of Seneca's bolt on acquisitions combined with higher interest rates than previously forecasted. Other than these items, the rest of our guidance assumptions for the full year remain unchanged. Speaker 300:20:08With respect to natural gas prices, our new guidance reflects a NYMEX price of $2.50 per MMBtu for the remaining 6 months of the year, which is a $0.75 reduction from our prior guidance. Offsetting some of this impact is the benefit from favorable hedges added during the quarter. For the remainder of the year, we are 77% hedged. This includes 12 Bcf of new NYMEX swaps at a price of $3.25 For reference, a $0.25 change in pricing would impact earnings by $0.09 per share. As a reminder, we have 47 Bcf of costless collars in place, So this impact is not necessarily linear. Speaker 300:20:45On the physical side, we've also been actively locking in near term sales. At the midpoint of our guidance range, We have approximately 92% of our remaining fiscal year volumes tied to a firm sale, which limits the amount of production exposed to in basin pricing. We remain committed to our hedging program and will continue to be methodical in adding new hedges. Given the contango in the natural gas forward curve, We see the opportunity to layer in additional hedges in the coming quarters at strong prices, with a particular focus on 2024 2025. To that end, With the hedges added during the past few months, we are well positioned for next year, where we already have approximately 265 Bcf of hedges in place at good prices. Speaker 300:21:28Lastly, I want to discuss our outlook for free cash flow. You will see that we've switched the presentation of this metric in our IR deck to focus on cash from operations as opposed to funds from operations. While changes in working capital can drive more volatility under this approach, We believe this gives investors a more complete picture. For the year, we now expect free cash flow, inclusive of working capital, to be $410,000,000 before the impact of our recently announced acquisitions. Accounting for approximately $145,000,000 Related to these acquisitions, we are left with $265,000,000 to cover our dividend, with the rest expected to be directed towards debt repayment. Speaker 300:22:08From a financing perspective, we redeemed $549,000,000 of long term debt earlier this year through a combination of short term debt and cash on hand. As a result, our short term borrowings increased to approximately $400,000,000 at the end of March. These borrowings were split between commercial paper and a $250,000,000 term loan that matures at the end of June. Given the inverted yield curve and the more challenging bank market over the past 2 months, we will likely term out a large portion of this short term debt through a long term debt issuance. This will help reduce near term interest expense and free up capacity under our $1,000,000,000 multiyear revolver. Speaker 300:22:47This leaves us with the liquidity to navigate potential macroeconomic challenges and natural gas price volatility in the near term. With long term NYMEX prices trending above $4 our outlook for free cash flow generation remains strong and is supported by our near term hedge book and valuable long term firm sales and firm transportation portfolio. This positions us well to execute on our ongoing deleveraging plans and growing our long standing dividend, all while retaining the flexibility to strategically invest in further growth opportunities or return additional capital to shareholders. With that, I'll ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:23:26Thank you. We have our first questioner on the phone lines from Trafford Lamar of Raymond James. Speaker 500:23:52I guess my first question is for Justin, kind of surrounding the 2024 CapEx. I know it's early, but Justin, I know you mentioned some cost plateauing or even decreasing specifically on the tubular side. What about kind of specifically surrounding service cost deflation, what are you all seeing there on the rig and frac side? Speaker 400:24:18Sure. So at this point, the biggest change that we've seen and so over the last couple of months or so It's just that there's significantly more availability of services. So specifically with your frac and your rig services, We were very, very tight. If you go back 6 to 9 months ago, that's opened up and that in our view is really the first step towards Some reductions. Definitely, I think the leading edge is that there may be some modest decreases around that. Speaker 400:24:52But we think that's really going to play out over the next 3 to 6 months and will significantly relate to the amount of activity In gas basins, but frankly also in the oil basin. So our bias on the service side is kind of flat To modestly declining if you look out 6 to 9 months or so. Speaker 500:25:17Okay, perfect. Appreciate the color on that. And then next question is for, I guess, Dave and Tim. Looking at the balance sheet, you all repaid your 2023 maturities and have leverage right Speaker 600:25:32around 2x. And you mentioned possibly issuing a longer term Speaker 300:25:33maturity to pay off some short Speaker 500:25:34term debt. But with leverage, to pay off some short term debt. But with leverage at 2x, you all are investment grade. How do you all kind of look at kind of a target leverage figure moving forward, especially at this low price Cycle environment. Speaker 300:25:54Yes, Travor, it's a good question. So I mean, I think the way to think about it is In the high ones, low twos is probably the right area for us to be. I mean, obviously, making sure that we can Maintain our metrics comfortably within the bounds that the rating agencies have said through the lower points of the cycle. And if you look at where we're at right now, We've got lots of room within our current guidelines. So I'd say where we are at today and trending into the high ones Over the next year or 2 is the spot for us. Speaker 500:26:31Okay, perfect. Thank you, guys. Speaker 200:26:34Yes. Thank you. Operator00:26:37Thank you. We have had no further questions We do have a follow-up question on the line from Trafford Le Mans. Speaker 500:27:11Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me get one more in here. I guess, the Last thing I have is really on free cash flow. And if you all really considered working in buybacks To your shareholder return framework, I mean, obviously, you all have the base, Dib, but I just want to get your thoughts on potential buybacks moving forward. Speaker 200:27:34Yes. Certainly, there would be the potential for that down the road. Our first goal is to get Our absolute levels of leverage down, so not just our metrics like FFO to debt And debt to EBITDA, but actual total leverage down. Once we hit that, we'll evaluate different opportunities. I mean, our hope is that something We come along that allow us to grow the company rather than shrink it through a buyback. Speaker 200:28:05But absent those opportunities, a buyback is something that we would certainly consider. Speaker 600:28:13That makes sense. Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:28:16You bet. Operator00:28:22Thank you. We have no further questions on the line. We now have a question from Timothy Winter of Scobelli and Company. Speaker 600:28:33Good morning and thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit more about the planned decision to go to a maintenance mode. What's all sort of underlying that plan? And what would maintenance mode look like from a capital expenditure and production guidance look like? Sure. Speaker 400:29:01Thanks for your question, Tim. What really underpins our development plans and our production growth has remained consistent for a long time now. And it's the ability to reach premium markets. And so we've been fortunate. We've had a really solid firm transportation portfolio. Speaker 400:29:18And if you recall, About 16 months ago now, we were able to our sister companies, FM 100 and the Leidy South project came online giving us a Significant leg of growth opportunity into strong markets and we've augmented that plus our other firm Feet with firm sales. And so as we look to the future, we don't anticipate any new build infrastructure is going to get announced and get built By 2025, there's the possibility of capacity turn backs and we've Been successful at a couple of those over the last year. And there's the potential also of Additional long term firm sales, which has been a practice of ours for a long time. But our view is very much If we don't have a premium market that we'll move the vast majority of our gas to, the right answer is To moderate our capital levels and moderate our production to basically match our long term Takeaway. And then of course, augmenting all of that with our long standing policy around methodically entering hedges. Speaker 400:30:31As it relates to capital, nothing has really changed much with the prior discussion on that. The general view is that you'd kind of have excluding any sort of inflation or service cost changes, kind of apple apple On the comment, but generally I would expect Seneca and Midstream Capital would be 50 or excuse me, 75 To $150,000,000 less per year below current levels. And so There'll be a little bit of a noise in that range and we may have a large midstream infrastructure project or something like that in a given year that can move you around or An extra pad being completed and so forth. But that would be the general view on the long term trend and it's something we'll be talking more about in the coming quarters. Speaker 600:31:25Okay, great. Thank you. That's very helpful. Operator00:31:31Thank you. As we have no questions registered, I'll hand it back to Brandon Hasbitt for any final remarks. Speaker 100:31:53Thank you, Brika. We'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of this call will be available this afternoon on both our website and by telephone and will run through the close of business on Thursday, May 11. To access the replay online, please visit our Investor Relations website at investor. Nationalfuelgas.com And access by telephone call 1-eight sixty six-eight thirteen-nine thousand four hundred and three, provide access code 313,864. Speaker 100:32:21This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you and goodbye. Operator00:32:28Thank you all for joining. I can confirm that does conclude today's call. Please have a lovely day and you may now disconnect your line.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by