Park-Ohio Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 4, 2023

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Park Ohio First Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the presentation, the company will conduct a question and answer session. Today's conference is also being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time.

Operator

Before we get started, I want to remind everyone that certain statements made on today's call may be forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. A list of relevant risks and uncertainties may be found in the earnings press release as well as in the company's 2022 10 ks, which was filed on March Additionally, the company may discuss adjusted EPS, adjusted operating income and EBITDA is defined on a continuing operations or consolidated basis. These metrics are not measures of performance under generally accepted accounting principles. For reconciliation of EPS to adjusted EPS, operating income to adjusted operating income and net income attributable To Park Ohio common shareholders' EBITDA as defined, please refer to the company's recent earnings release.

Operator

I'll now turn the conference over to Mr. Matthew Crawford, Chairman, President and CEO, please proceed Mr. Crawford.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much and good morning to everyone to our Q1 2023 conference call. I know it's a busy day on the earnings side for everyone. So we'll jump right into the numbers, but I did want to make three comments quickly. First, continuing operations showed an all time record quarterly revenue and our consolidated numbers. Turning to the 3 segments, Supply Technology had an all time record quarterly revenue number.

Speaker 1

The second segment, ACG had an All time quarterly record revenue quarter. EPG, the last segment did not, but showed very strong revenue improvement and record level Tight backlog. So, very exciting on the revenue front. 2, profit performance is responding. We highlighted the gross margin improvement.

Speaker 1

I know Pat will talk about that. Again, nice traction towards where the business should be. As expected, the many business initiatives we've taken during Several years are beginning to demonstrate, the kind of historic or even improved earning power, from across the company, As we wipe away some of the lingering effects of COVID as well as benefiting from improved operating leverage and our improved cost profile. More to be done here, but nice to see some momentum. Thirdly, while there are plenty of questions about the economy, we continue to see strong demand and backlogs.

Speaker 1

More importantly though, we're seeing new business opportunities, which are underpinned by significant investments in megatrends relating to onshoring, infrastructure, Spending, green energy and specifically battery technologies. These will have a positive impact over the next few years and may actually provide some insulation from the traditional industrial cycles. Again, thanks as always to our team. Glad to

Speaker 2

Our Q1 2023 results reflect significant improvement in sales, gross margins and operating income both year over year and sequentially across all three of our business segments. We achieved record consolidated quarterly sales from continuing operations and in both our Supply Technologies and Assembly Components segments. These results were driven by strong customer demand in each business segment, Improved operating efficiencies and the positive impact of the recently completed restructuring activities in this segment. We were able to deliver these results in spite of ongoing supply chain uncertainties, inflation and labor challenges, which continued to affect Certain parts of our business. Our consolidated net sales from continuing operations were $423,000,000 Up 18% compared to $358,000,000 in the Q1 and up 11% sequentially compared to the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 2

Our gross margins from continuing operations in the Q1 were 15.8% compared to 14.2% last quarter and 13 3% a year ago. Our gross margin during the quarter was the highest margin level since the Q4 of 2019. The higher gross margin reflects the profit flow through from the higher sales and benefits from profit improvement initiatives, including product pricing. Consolidated operating income from continuing operations was $20,200,000 a significant improvement over 5 point $4,000,000 in the Q1 of last year and $2,600,000 sequentially in the Q4 of 2022. We have substantially completed our multi year restructuring consolidation plan in our Assembly Components and Engineered Products segments.

Speaker 2

Since these actions commenced in 2020, we have consolidated 6 facilities, which represented over 875,000 We're feet of manufacturing space and relocated and installed significant production assets. This was a considerable undertaking, which reduced our fixed cost footprint, streamlined our plant operations and lowered our overall cost to make our products. The benefits from these actions will help drive improved profitability in 2023 and in future years. SG and A expenses were $45,000,000 compared to $40,000,000 a year ago with the increase due to higher selling expenses from the higher sales levels, Higher costs due to ongoing inflation and an increase in personnel costs. As a percentage of our sales, excluding restructuring and other special charges of approximately $2,000,000 in both periods, SG and A was 10.7% in the first quarter compared to 11.2% in the prior year quarter.

Speaker 2

Interest expense totaled $10,700,000 compared to 7 $1,000,000 a year ago with $2,600,000 of the increase due to the higher interest rates and the remaining $1,000,000 increase due to higher average Our income tax expense was $2,600,000 in the quarter for an effective income tax of 25%. This is in line with our expectations for the full year 2023. We expect full year cash taxes to be approximately $10,000,000 GAAP EPS from continued operations for the quarter was $0.61 per diluted share, more than double the $0.30 in the Q1 of last year. On an adjusted basis, our earnings per share from continued operations was $0.72 compared to $0.51 a year ago. Our EBITDA as defined was $30,000,000 in the Q1 compared to $27,600,000 a year ago And significantly higher than $10,800,000 last quarter.

Speaker 2

Excluding our aluminum products business, which is now classified as discontinued, Our Q1 2023 EBITDA was approximately $32,000,000 During the quarter, we generated slightly improved year over year operating cash closed and used $4,400,000 after CapEx, which totaled $6,000,000 in the quarter, unless The proceeds on the sale of real estate totaling $1,400,000 during the quarter. We expect continued improvement in operating cash flow during 2023 driven by reduced working capital days on hand and expect free cash flow for the full year It will be in the range of $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 Our liquidity at the end of the Q1 was $171,000,000 which consists of approximately $50,000,000 of cash on hand and $120,000,000 of unused borrowing capacity under our various banking arrangements, which included $18,000,000 of suppressed availability. As it relates to the sale of general aluminum, we received interest from a Prospective buyer, at the very end of last year, while we did not reach a definitive agreement, we signed a memorandum of understanding, which set the framework for a potential transaction. These actions principally resulted in our decision to classify the business as discontinued at year end. We have no further update on the sale at this time.

Speaker 2

We are pleased with the improved performance of General Aluminum and excited about its long term prospects and are conducting ourselves as the long term stewards of the business. Accordingly, in the Q1, we invested $8,000,000 in support of the business. Turning now to our segment results. In Supply Technologies, net sales were $196,000,000 during the quarter, Up 16% compared to $169,000,000 a year ago and $181,000,000 last quarter. Average daily sales in our supply chain business were up 17% year over year.

Speaker 2

The sales increase was driven by higher customer demand In most key end markets, during the quarter, the largest end market increases were powersports, heavy duty truck, Industrial and Agricultural Equipment and Civilian Aerospace. In addition, our fastener manufacturing business continues to perform well And achieved sales growth of 12% over the Q1 of last year. Operating income in this segment totaled approximately $14,000,000 by higher supply chain costs, especially in North America. We continue to focus on price action strategies in this business, which will positively affect future operating income margins along with initiatives to grow our higher margin industrial supply business. In our Assembly Components segment, sales for the quarter were $110,000,000 compared to $98,000,000 a year ago, an increase of 13% year over year.

Speaker 2

Sales in the current quarter were higher due to volumes from business launched in prior year and improved product pricing. Segment operating income increased significantly to $7,300,000 in the first quarter Compared to a loss of $400,000 a year ago. On an adjusted basis, operating income was up $1,100,000 a year ago to $7,600,000 in the current year. This significant improvement year over year was driven by the profit flow through from the higher sales levels, Profit improvement initiatives, including product pricing and the benefits of recently completed plant consolidation actions. We continue to focus on improving operating margins in this segment and are implementing additional price increases and operational improvements Across many of our products and plants.

Speaker 2

For example, during the Q1, we launched a new rubber mixing facility, which will increase our current mixing capacity and allow us to reduce raw material costs used on certain products. In our Engineered Products segment, 1st quarter sales were $117,000,000 Up 29% compared to $91,000,000 a year ago. In our capital equipment business, sales were up 31% compared to a year ago. Revenues from new capital equipment and aftermarket parts and services increased in every region, most notably in North America. Bookings remained strong and totaled $52,000,000 compared to a quarterly average of $50,000,000 in 2022.

Speaker 2

Our backlog as of March 31 was $175,000,000 an increase of 7% compared to the end of last year. We expect consistent order levels to continue throughout the course of this year. In our Forged and Machine Products business, sales in the quarter were up 23 Driven by increasing customer demand in several key end markets, including rail and aerospace and defense, as well as from new business awarded over the past several quarters. During the quarter, operating income in this segment was $5,000,000 compared to $1,800,000 a year ago. On an adjusted basis, which excludes plant consolidation and other restructuring actions, Operating income was $7,000,000 compared to $2,400,000 last year.

Speaker 2

The profitability improvement year over year It was driven by the higher sales levels, product pricing initiatives and the benefits of profit improvement actions. We continue to see business opportunities and bookings for our induction and forging equipment as a result of investments being made in support of the increased production Electrical Steel used in battery technologies and in the defense end market, where increases in production of certain munitions are expected to occur. Our Engineered Products segment should benefit from these positive trends. And finally, corporate expenses totaled $6,900,000 during the quarter Compared to $8,000,000 a year ago, the decrease was driven primarily by lower professional fees in the current year. And finally, with respect to our full year 2023 guidance, we continue to expect revenue growth to be 5% to 10% year over year with a bias towards the high end of the range, driven by the current strong customer demand in each segment.

Speaker 2

We also continue to expect year over year improvement in adjusted operating income, EBITDA as defined, free cash flow and adjusted EPS as a result of the higher sales levels and improved operating margins in each segment. I'll turn the call back over to Matt.

Speaker 1

Great. Thanks, Pat. We'll open the line for any questions. Thank

Operator

you. A confirmation Our first question today is coming from Steve Barger from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is now live.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, guys. You sound pretty good today, certainly better than a year ago. So congratulations on that. Can you talk about the inventory dynamics across the portfolio? Is there a destock?

Speaker 3

If there is, You'd see it first in supply tech, I would think. And with supply chains improving, we are hearing about destocking in some areas, But it doesn't seem indicative of a slowdown in demand. So any can you fill out how you're thinking about that?

Speaker 2

Steve, this is Pat. We're seeing Across all three of our business segments, strong demand, and we expect that to continue At least through the Q2. So there's small Parts of the business that take rates are not growing at the same pace as other end markets. But overall, We continue to with confidence believe the 2nd quarter will continue at a similar pace as the 1st quarter. So and we touched so many different end markets and many of the end markets really were in significant slowdowns Even throughout 2022, when I think about rail and civilian aerospace and some of those end markets that Are now beginning to show some traction and we should benefit from that.

Speaker 3

Yes, that's great. I think you said Supply Tech revenue for the quarter was a record. Do you expect And historically, is it easier to convert prospects into customers for SupplyTek when things are good or when things are

Speaker 1

Hey, Steve, it's Matt. I'll try and take pieces of that. It's really tough. I mean, it's not lost on you. What Pat, our Q1 growth year over year significant, Significantly higher than our annual forecast, the Q2, which obviously we're through April now, feeling pretty good year over year.

Speaker 1

So our guidance Would lead you to believe that there are some question marks. I want to stress what we feel is the installation or some of the infrastructure spending going on and so forth. We're pretty excited about that over the next 3 to 5 years. But there's we're not immune from some of the uncertainty. And we also recognize that some of the demand and Build rates that our customers are forecasting could have some volatility in them.

Speaker 1

It's that kind of atmosphere. So I would be we would be remiss, I think to suggest that we strongly about sequential growth until we got a clear picture on that, particularly as it relates to supply technologies that As you point out, it is the best barometer, I think, for sort of the current industrial environment.

Speaker 3

Yes. And just as you think about longer term, in terms of conversion of prospects The customer supply tech, is there a specific part of the cycle that might be better than others?

Speaker 1

That Traditionally, as a solutions provider, our opportunities, I think, are organic in the sense that We're providing someone a solution about a problem they have, particularly around supply chain, maybe sometimes in terms of engineering or pricing. We're a solutions provider. So I would say that that can be agnostic. Of course, COVID and supply chain really messed that up, meaning It limited our flexibility and our customers really to find product elsewhere. Hence, the reason we're carrying so much inventory.

Speaker 1

So As we come out of this and we're not out of it, supply chains are not ideal. As you know, Steve, if we supply 1,000 partners 1,000 part numbers to someone, 999 is not good enough. So on time delivery of 100% of the parts is important. So I would tell you, it will be difficult to understand what things look like Until in terms of onboarding business, it's going to be difficult until that gets sorted out in a meaningful way. We are landing new business.

Speaker 1

We are finding opportunities to grow. But to answer your question in a more macroeconomic way is going to be difficult until Industrial America gets pretty comfortable that they can safely change strategic suppliers.

Speaker 3

Yes. I understand. And it does seem like operations have turned the corner a little bit, conditions seem good for now. I hear you on the But can we talk about the sales efforts? How are you directing the team across the segments to drive customer engagement?

Speaker 3

And any specific stories or anecdotes you have about opportunities for new business?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, I think Pat highlighted something that I think supply tech right now and ACG and their, I think focus and development of some really exciting new products, that really are agnostic to powertrain Are exciting, but also for EV. But let me focus for a second on the only segment that didn't have a record, which is EPG, Despite the fact that they've got record numbers in backlog, this is where I think the rubber hits the road on these megatrends I keep talking about. And the engagement I think we are seeing in our traditional forging businesses As well as our Capital Equipment Buildings businesses are really, we got a lot of people knocking on our door. So engagement is really nice when it's being driven at the strategic customer level who are seeking solutions, in some cases for traditional product lines.

Speaker 1

We are looking at supplying product to key defense suppliers, So Tier 1 defense suppliers to help support initiatives to rebuild the capacity for our country to make missile shells. You may have read a little bit about that in the Wall Street Journal way back when and that article about the facility that the government runs in Scranton, Pennsylvania. There is a real scramble going on there and we're in the middle of it. Also, I think Pat mentioned very quickly This idea of silicon steel, you and I have talked before, Steve, about how this country gave away generations China and I think that you're seeing an overhaul going on in what is a pretty well capitalized steel space now to invest in new technology. High strength steel is 1, but more interesting also is silicon steel.

Speaker 1

And silicon steel is important for battery technology because you need conductive steel. And that's what Silicon helps to do. So, these are again areas which we are right in the middle of. So again, I think that Our new sales initiatives and our customer strategy is always on the offense. But I will tell you some of these things we're talking about You'll have some real energy coming to us from our traditional customers who are looking not just to build capacity, but find solutions for New or old problems?

Speaker 3

Yes, sounds encouraging. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Dave Storms from Stonegate. Your line is now live.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thank you and good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Dave. Just hoping

Speaker 4

we could start on the supply chain issues that you mentioned. Are you seeing any green shoots there? Or is that still Pretty issue perceived issue

Speaker 1

going forward. I'll speak first and let Pat sort of clean this up. I'm not That means so many things. Your question could be interpreted so many ways. But let me say this.

Speaker 1

I think that We have all become a lot more nimble, in the global manufacturing space and the global supply chain space at managing The challenge is that I think hit us like a tidal wave in the first half of twenty twenty one. So whether it be fill rates, Whether it be quality, whether it be pricing, whether it be logistics and ocean freight, we've all got a little better, smarter, faster on how to deal with this. I think our company is included. So there is certainly less noise in our business and in our numbers from that. Is it does it continuously provide a headwind on the earnings side?

Speaker 1

Absolutely. So we are not out of the woods in terms of that. In terms of margins, I will say that I think that and we're not out of the woods in terms of the cost Of doing things like dual sourcing, we're not out of the woods in terms of carrying too much inventory in certain places. But I will say that the noise levels Turned down a bit because maybe because it's gotten a little better using your green shoots example, maybe because we've all become a little better at managing. And again, I don't know what area in our business has done a better job than particularly the people in the supply chain portion of supply technology.

Speaker 1

So Few names come to mind that have just really done a great job at keeping our customers moving.

Operator

So I don't know if

Speaker 1

that answers your question. It's a little bit hard to pull apart, but it's not over. It's just better managed. Is that do you agree with that?

Speaker 2

Yes. Steve, I would add that clearly the supply chain issues that We're hitting us a few years back and continue through last year have greatly improved. Well, we can control our supply chain, but there's Other suppliers that affect our customers' demand that we can't control. And so what I mean by that is we are seeing in certain Pockets of our business, demand being a little lower because and take rates being a little lower because they're having other issues with other parts of their supply chain. But clearly, from our viewpoint, things have improved greatly.

Speaker 2

Lead times have come down. Rate costs have come And we expect that to continue to improve as we get through the rest of 2023.

Speaker 4

That's very helpful and exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you. Matt, you mentioned a couple of times the pricing front I hear your answer there. What are you seeing on the pricing front now that inflation is starting to moderate a little bit? And can you kind of compare that to where Your price and inventory is at or your inventory prices are at?

Speaker 1

I'll let Pat take the inventory question. But I would say that, look, I mean, there is A tension in the marketplace, particularly for component suppliers like us. I've mentioned on prior calls, A lot of our customers were able to raise prices to their to consumers principally instantaneously and aggressively and saw record profits. A lot of our suppliers, who we work with on a spot buyer short term contract could raise prices instantaneously. So guys like us, you got hurt.

Speaker 1

And I think that we have worked for a couple of years now. And I think that our best And strategic partners have understood it because it's impacted their own business and they have supported us. I think initially it was all about raw material. As we move forward, it's all about labor and making sure that we can we and other suppliers Can get the right workforce in the right place to optimize delivery and optimize long term quality and long term support for our customers. So I'd be lying to you if I said it wasn't a battle every day.

Speaker 1

I think that our best customers understand That we need this support and we've worked through it and you're seeing it in the numbers. So I think this is growingly a positive discussion. Jamie Dimond talked a while back about latent inflation. I'm not sure what he meant, but I'll tell you what I think he meant. I think he meant there's guys like out there like us Who aren't whole yet, while we are in parts of our business, we have isolated cases still where we're under long term agreements where we're losing money And we need to deal with that.

Speaker 1

So, we're still going after price increases. Now there's also of course a natural tension because there are some commodities that have There will be a lag. We got to get through our inventory. But that we're there for them then too. That's the nature of the partnership.

Speaker 1

So We are cognizant that that provides attention, but between what we're still trying to capture in terms Some labor costs and some other indirects and yes, a small return on our investment. So, but you're right, There is there will be a natural tension as some of the underlying commodity pricing goes down. But long term, I think that's good for us too, by the way. We saw what happened when it was going skyrocketing the other way. So that would be my so we're still fighting that battle every day.

Speaker 1

There's still attention, But it's more a case by case basis and our team has come a long way in terms of recapturing our fair share. It's taken a couple of years.

Speaker 4

So that actually leads in perfectly to my last question here. With all the supply chain and inflation issues, A lot of your segments are still getting back to those 2018, 2019 levels. When you think about all the restructuring activities You've implemented, the increases that that has on your production capacity. What kind of runway do you see beyond maybe even 2018, 2019 levels, even with all the headwinds that we just discussed.

Speaker 1

Yes, we should have a really good answer for that. And we will on the next call. To be honest with you, I do think that we do feel as though We have some runway here. We do feel as though there's ongoing pressure we've discussed, in a number of areas as it relates to our cost structure and Still the ongoing effects of COVID. And yes, we feel as though while many of our strategic partnerships are priced properly now, a few aren't.

Speaker 1

So I'm not prepared to answer that question. Maybe Pat wants to take a shot at it. But I do think as we get a little more clarity, We should have an answer for that, but to be honest with you, we have felt as though this business would comp very well against 2018 2019. And our goal is to kind of get there. Now that we're getting there, we kind of want to sift away.

Speaker 1

We've been so tactical, it's been hard to be strategic. Now that we're sifting that away, I think that candidly, we owe you an answer on that. And I think as the year goes on and we get more confidence in our forecast, we'll be able to answer that better.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would add, Dave, that we saw the momentum in the Q1 around gross margins. The gross margins and the reductions in costs that we have implemented over the last 2 years are going to have a nice impact on future gross margins of the business. And as volumes improve and absorption levels become even greater, Clearly, we believe our gross margins are at a point where they will continue to trend higher and exceed levels that were In place in 2018 2019. So the amount of heavy lifting that has been done by our teams really around the world It's really unbelievable and a huge accomplishment.

Speaker 2

And volumes are where they need to be yet. And so once we see the increase in the volumes around the world in different pockets of our business, our gross margins will continue to grow.

Speaker 1

Dave, I want to also say something I said in the past, but I'm going to say it now. Our gross margin is always led by Engineered Products. That's always been the bellwether for when we are doing our best at gross margins. And they have not returned to historic performance. So, again, we're not prepared to sit here and give you That runway on a consolidated basis, what we can say is our flagship on the margin side is still recovering.

Speaker 4

Understood. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Yoma Abadate from JPMorgan. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. My first question is on working capital.

Speaker 5

As you think about the growth that you've seen this quarter and as you forward for in terms of growth for this year. How should we think about in working capital this year? And how could that be different

Speaker 2

Well, We expect, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, our working capital days to continue to decrease. In the Q1, the majority of each of the business units saw a reduction in their working capital days. And obviously, the growth complicates that calculation just because of the working capital needed to grow the business. So we are seeing movement there and each business unit has their own initiatives To reduce working capital, to harvest the cash that has been invested over the last 2 years, and we are seeing tremendous progress on that front, And we expect continued improvement throughout the course of the year. We every business has a different level of working capital needed to support the growth.

Speaker 2

But in general, Around $0.25 of every dollar of growth is invested in working capital, and we need to continue to bring that number down to increase our free cash flow. And we're driven by that and our goals are around that. So More improvement is expected and a lot of effort being focused on that.

Speaker 5

With revenue growth this year, would you expect working capital to be a use of cash neutral or positive Coupling the improvements that you're putting in place with working capital needed to support the business?

Speaker 2

I mentioned that we expect our free cash flow to be $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 That would indicate that we expect positive operating cash flow and very little, if any, Need for investment in working capital beyond current levels.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. That's helpful. And then my second question is on the mega project infrastructure chip and electric vehicles and so forth. What's sort of the best way to think about modeling the impact of these mega projects on your business, Either at the segment level, any sort of portions of your business that's directly going to be impacted? Any help along the lines of How to model the benefits of these mega projects directly on your business?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think that we're, I'm not sure We're going to give you the help you need. I think we're particularly as it relates to stimulus, which is significant, whether it be in the battery space or the infrastructure space or I mean, It's a little unclear or defense quite candidly. It's a little unclear how we're getting a sense of how that will seep into the economy Based on some of our conversations with the large Tier 1s, but it's a little bit unclear how we would consider modeling that or forecasting it Other than we know and we're seeing business associated with it, I will say I think we'll see the most direct impact Initially through our equipment business and our forging business, that's kind of where we have the most direct conversation as people are building or updating capacity Or on the infrastructure side, needing more rail maintenance products and things like that. So I think as you think about the direct impact, I would highlight EPG as an important sort of beneficiary of that in the short term and the midterm.

Speaker 1

It's a little more difficult. I think clearly, we've talked a lot about this in the past, the evolution to EV is Providing us a ton of opportunity. Again, most of our products and our strategy, Yomi, as you know, is agnostic to powertrain, not all of it. But in general, what we're finding is that EV designs are leading the way. And to the extent we are not directly involved in the propulsion system, our products will come along, whether the chassis parts or Our products will come along, whether they're chassis parts or suspension parts, they'll come along.

Speaker 1

So that's our instinct. It's a little difficult to understand how exactly those market share numbers and those successes and failures DOE lever are going to work. So While we're seeing increased opportunity, hard to put our finger on kind of how to model that. And then the supply chain business is a little different in the sense that, Particularly that our rates to America, a strong and growing industrial America is really good for supply technologies. Would we expect people like customers of ours in the semiconductor industry to be a direct beneficiary?

Speaker 1

Sure. But so we would expect All of our other customers who I think benefit from a growing industrial America. We may only be the manufacturing economy may only be whatever 10% of the economy these days, but it doesn't mean it can't grow a couple of points. So I think that we will benefit from that generally more indirectly. And that one is even harder, I At this point to model what reassuring and things like that means.

Speaker 1

So all positive, I think in the near term, I think the most tangible impact The next 12 months will be in the APG business.

Speaker 5

Thanks very much. That's all I had.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you very much. Lot of good news today, but our work is not finished. I did want to echo Pat's comments as it relates To General Aluminum, as Pat updated us, we do continue to have conversations with the potential buyer, but Do not feel a deal is imminent at this time. So we maintain our commitment to the business.

Speaker 1

You mentioned we invested $8,000,000 in the quarter. We believe this is a strong attractive business, and we've owned it for over 40 years. So, we're excited to participate with that team

Operator

You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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