SolarEdge Technologies Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 3, 2023

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

To the SolarEdge Conference Call for the First Quarter Ended March 31, 2023. This call is being webcast live on the company's website at www.solaredge .com in the Investors section on the event calendar page. This call is the sole property and copyright of SolarEdge with all rights reserved and any recording, reproduction or transmission of this call without the Expressed written consent of SolarEdge is prohibited. You may listen to a webcast replay of this call by visiting the Event Calendar page of the SolarEdge Investor website. I would now like to turn the call over to Erica Mannion at Sapphire Investor Relations, Investor Relations for SolarEdge.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us to discuss SolarEdge's operating results for the Q1 ended March 31, 2023, as well as the company's outlook for the Q2 of 20 With me today are Ceeb Orlando, Chief Executive Officer and Ronen Faier, Chief Financial Officer. Sivu will begin with a brief review of the results for the Q1 ended March 31, 2023. Ronny will review the financial results for the Q1, followed by the company's outlook for the Q2 of 2020. We will then open the call for questions.

Speaker 1

Please note that this call will include forward looking Statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statements contained in our press release and the slides published today for a more complete description. All material contained in the webcast is a sole property in copyright of SolarEdge Technologies with all rights reserved. Please note this presentation describes non GAAP measures, including non GAAP net income and non GAAP net diluted earnings per share, which are not measures prepared in accordance with U. S.

Speaker 1

GAAP. The non GAAP measures are presented in this presentation as we believe they provide investors with the means of evaluating and understanding how the company's management evaluates the company's operating performance. These non GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as substitutes for, or superior to financial measures in accordance with U. S. GAAP.

Speaker 1

Listeners who do not have a copy of the quarter ended March 31, 2023 press release or the supplemental material may obtain a copy by visiting the Investors section of the company's website. Now I will turn the

Operator

call over to C. V.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Erica. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us on our conference call today. Starting with highlights of our Q1 results. We concluded the quarter with record revenues of approximately $944,000,000 Revenues from our solar business We're at a record $909,000,000 while revenues from our non solar business were $35,000,000 This quarter, we shipped 6,400,000 power optimizers and 330,000 inverters. This quarter, we also shipped 2 21 Megawatt hour of residential batteries, a slight increase from last quarter.

Speaker 2

Our solar business revenue grew quarter over quarter by 9% and by 49% year over year, mostly driven by record revenues in Europe and Rest of World. We saw record revenues in many countries this quarter, including Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, South Africa and Australia and very strong revenues from the Netherlands and Italy. Considering that this was a record revenue quarter from our non U. S, non Europe region, I want to share a little more information about the geographic landscape, which we define as rest of world. Revenue this quarter from these regions were up 30% quarter over quarter and came from 24 countries across the Asia Pacific, Africa and South America.

Speaker 2

Noteworthy countries in size of market and revenue to include Australia, Israel, Taiwan, Thailand, Korea, Brazil and South Africa. What I think is often overlooked is the extent of our geographic presence and the growth opportunities in these regions. For example, in South Africa, where due to a significant increase in power outage, frequency and duration, we are seeing unprecedented demand for solar product, including our residential battery. Or in Japan, where a recent regulation of the Tokyo Metropolitan Authority has created a special incentive for PV systems with module level power electronics, through which we already have local certification. As we have said in the past and is evident this quarter, our global presence in infrastructure provides us with stability in our business and access through many growth opportunities.

Speaker 2

Moving back to the core regions and segments. The European residential markets continued to be very strong for us this quarter. As we ramp shipments of 3 phase residential inverters, in particular, our new backup inverter as well as the 3 phase residential battery. We expect this momentum to continue in the coming quarters as we are still increasing capacity of backup inverters to deliver on the significant backlog and the strong demand for this product. In the U.

Speaker 2

S, revenues were down quarter over quarter, driven by weakness in the residential segment related to the general effect of interest rates and lower battery sales. As we noted last quarter, residential originations in the 4th quarter were seasonally down more significantly than in prior years, but origination data has improved in the Q1 to the level of the same time last year and even slightly higher. While we expect the uncertainties in the U. S. Residential market to continue in the short term, We believe that the long term dynamics of NEM 3.0 and our advantages under this regulation, which I will discuss further in a few moments, as well as the expectation for TPO share growth, cater well to our product offering and position in the markets.

Speaker 2

Moving to commercial. In the Q1, we shipped a record 2.1 gigawatt of inverters, representing 36% quarter over quarter and 108% growth year over year. This record is a result of the strong demand we have been discussing in recent quarters around corporate ESG initiatives and the multiple C and I applications, coupled with the ramp in production that we have achieved. Momentum of the C and I market is global And the inherent advantages of our solution in this market, among them safety, scalability and balance of system cost efficiencies, position us well such that demand for our product is still outpacing capacity. On top of the strong demand and market position of our commercial offering, Part of our growth strategy includes providing our customers with energy management applications

Speaker 3

and services.

Speaker 2

In this context, this quarter, we closed the previously announced acquisition of HARC Systems. HARC's SaaS products allow companies to get the granular level of energy transparency and then start acting on what they are seeing. It integrates with solar, storage, EV charging, HVAC, factory machinery, building management systems, smart meters and other assets. Now that the acquisition has closed, we will use HART's capabilities to augment our software offering for C and I customers by providing additional monitoring and connectivity capabilities as our customers move from solar only installation to systems with storage, easy charging and other advanced energy needs. I want now to return to the topic of NEM 3.0, which became effective in California in April and the suitability of our product offering to address this regulation.

Speaker 2

The main impact of the NAND 3.0 regulation is significant reduction the economic benefit of exporting power to the grid. And as such, it is to the system's owner's advantage to use their energy this solar system produces during most times of the day, other than in specific instances when the utility pays exceptionally high rate for the power exported from the system. Our large installed base of solar plus batteries in time of use or self consumption markets, predominantly in European countries, has enabled us to gain experience managing such use cases as well as develop specific algorithms to maximize the import and export optimization. Our analysis shows that the best return on investment under NAM3.0 is achieved with the solar plus battery combination, but exact payback times can be affected by many different factors. Among these factors are system size, consumption patterns, Oversizing ratio of DC panels to the inverter AC power, battery capacity and power and the local utility providers policy.

Speaker 2

In specific use cases, payback can be met within 6 to 7 years. More importantly, homeowners can offset their monthly electricity bill by up to 95% using solar plus battery when paying for the system in cash, while when using a loan, monthly electricity bill can be reduced by 30%. To achieve best economics from a solar plus battery solution, the battery needs to be sized and managed in an optimal way. For example, under NAM3.0, during the month of September, the export rate in some of the California utilities is as high as $3 per kilowatt hour for 2 hours in the afternoon after the sun is down and there is no solar power. To take full advantage of this high rate, the battery needs to have the right capacity and power.

Speaker 2

The SolarEdge home battery with its 10 kilowatt hour Capacity and 5 kilowatts of continuous power can discharge in full during this 2 hour duration, contributing to maximum savings. In addition, with our DC coupled battery, there is only 1 AC to DC conversion of the energy stored in the battery compared to 3 conversions with an AC coupled battery. We estimate that approximately 5% to 7% of the energy is lost in every charge cycle of an AC battery. DC coupled batteries also make maximum use of system oversight. Since the battery is connected directly to the inverter and not through the AC panel, the system can store all the excess energy generated from the panels above inverter AC capacity in the battery, generating as much as 3% more power during the peak summer months.

Speaker 2

Finally, in self consumption mode, DC coupled batteries are simple to install and commission as they only require 1 DC connection to the inverter and do not require a main panel upgrade. Homeowners can choose to start with a more cost effective self consumption battery, what we call rate saver mode and add the backup option when desired. In conclusion, we feel that our hardware plus software solution addresses the NAND 3.0 requirement in an optimal way, and we look forward to good adoption of our offering in this market. Before handing it over to Ronen, I would like to give a brief update on our operational stability and growth. Over the last 2 years, we have dealt with challenges around component availability, supply chain issues and logistics constraints.

Speaker 2

The general improvement in the market combined with the actions that we have taken has allowed us to return to a more normal mode of operation. In most product areas, we are at a point where our manufacturing capacity is able to meet demand and we can use normal shipping routes, build inventory and reduce lead times. For other products, in particular, 3 phase inverters for commercial and residential use, We are still ramping and expect to reach stability within the next couple of quarters. Our operational plan includes adding manufacturing sites in the U. S.

Speaker 2

To increase capacity and benefit from the manufacturing credits of the IRA, where we are on track to have U. S. Manufactured products in the Q3 of this year. With this, I hand it over to Ronen, who will review our financial results.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Sibi, and good afternoon, everyone. This financial review includes a GAAP and non GAAP discussion. Full reconciliation of the pro form a to GAAP results discussed on this call is available on our website and in the press release issued today. Segment profit is comprised of gross profit for the segment less operating expenses that do not include amortization of purchase intangible assets, impairments of goodwill and intangible assets, stock based compensation expenses and certain other items. Total revenues for the Q1 were record $943,900,000 a 6% increase compared to $890,700,000 last quarter and a 44% increase compared to $655,100,000 for the same quarter last year.

Speaker 4

Revenues from our solar segment, which include the sales of residential batteries, were a record $908,500,000 a 9% increase compared to $837,000,000 last quarter and a 49% increase compared to $608,000,000 for the same quarter last year. Solar revenues from the United States this quarter were $255,500,000 a 16% decrease from the last quarter and a 4% decrease from the same quarter last year, representing 28.1 percent of our solar revenues. Solar revenues from Europe were a record dollars 577,100,000 a 22% increase from the last quarter and 102% increase from the same quarter last year, representing 63.5 percent of our solar revenue. 2 countries in Europe represented well above $100,000,000 each and we achieved record revenue in several countries. In particular, we saw meaningful quarter over quarter growth in Germany with 17%, Switzerland with 177%, Austria with 2 53% and France with 31% growth.

Speaker 4

Revenues from batteries grew slightly this quarter in Europe limited by the fact that we are still renting 3 phase inverter supply, which is needed for battery coupled systems. Rest of the world solar revenues were a record $75,900,000 a 30% increase compared to the last quarter and a 32% increase from last year, representing 8.4% of total solar revenues. On a megawatt basis, we shipped a record 9.75 megawatt of inverters to the United States, a record 2.1 gigawatts to Europe and a record 493 Megawatts to the rest of the world, surpassing 3.6 Gigawatts of record quarterly converter shipments. 58% of the megawatt shipments this quarter were commercial products and the remaining 42% were residential, a result of higher European and rest of the world revenues in the total mix. In the Q1, we shipped 2 21 Megawatt Hour of our residential batteries, a slight increase from 217.6 last quarter.

Speaker 4

The vast majority of our batteries continue to be shipped to Europe driven by the strong adoption and the demand of and the demand for our 3 Phase solution. ASP per watt this quarter excluding battery revenues was 0 point from $0.237 last quarter. This ASP per watt decrease is predominantly a result of increased commercial products in our overall mix, partially offset by a stronger euro. On a unit basis, our prices did not change this quarter. Our battery ASP per kilowatt hour was $4.75 slightly up from $4.73 in the last quarter, mostly a result of stronger euro and customer mix changes.

Speaker 4

Revenues this quarter from our non solar business were $35,200,000 a decrease from $53,600,000 in the last quarter, a result of seasonality in the storage business. Consolidated GAAP gross margin for the quarter was 31.8% compared to 29.3% in the prior quarter and 27.3% in the same quarter last year. Our non GAAP gross margin this quarter was 1 sorry, 32.6 percent compared to 30.2% in the prior quarter and 28.4% in the same quarter last year. Gross margin for the solar segment was 35% compared to 32.4 percent in the prior quarter and 30.2% in the same quarter last year. Before diving into the gross margin details, would like to note that this quarter, we have exceeded our financial targets as presented in our Analyst Day in March 2022.

Speaker 4

In the Solar division, our inverter and optimizer margins have exceeded 37%. Our residential inverter and optimizer products Margin exceeded 40% and our battery margins exceeded 25%. We continue to improve our gross margin through cost reduction activities and higher efficiency within our supply chain and we expect that future gross margin trends will be mostly driven by product, customer and geographic mix. This quarter, our gross margin results were primarily driven by an improved Change rates between the euro and the U. S.

Speaker 4

Dollar, further improvement in our shipping and logistic costs, a result of stabilized component availability and manufacturing, which also resulted in lower charges from our contract manufacturers. Offsetting our gross margin improvement was a higher portion of commercial sales that are characterized by lower gross margins and adjustment made to our warranty obligations. Good subject to tariffs, excluding batteries shifting to the United States from China accounted for 12% of our U. S. Shipments this quarter, a level that we expect to slightly decrease in the next quarters.

Speaker 4

Gross margin for our non solar segment was minus 31.3% compared to minus 4 point percent in the previous quarter, a result of process stabilization costs associated with our Selah 2 ramp in Korea. On a non GAAP basis, operating expenses for the Q1 were $123,600,000 or 13.1 percent of revenues compared to $119,000,000 or 13.4 percent of revenues in the prior quarter and $98,900,000 or 15.1 percent of revenue for the same quarter last year. We expect to continue to see our operational leverage expanding during 2023 as the revenues continue to grow faster than our operating expenses. However, in the Q2 of 2023, we will see relatively flat Percentage of operating expenses to revenue, a result of our annual employee merit process that takes place in the Q2 of each year. Our solar segment operating expenses as a percentage of solar revenue were 12.3% compared to 13% last quarter.

Speaker 4

Non GAAP operating income for the quarter was a record $183,800,000 compared to $149,600,000 in the previous quarter $87,200,000 for the same period last year. This quarter, the Solar segment generated a record operating profit of $206,700,000 compared to an operating profit of $162,200,000 last quarter. The non solar segment generated an operating loss of $22,900,000 compared to an operating loss of $12,500,000 in the previous quarter. Non GAAP financial income for the quarter was $24,000,000 compared to a non GAAP financial income of 59 point $4,000,000 in the previous quarter, a result of the appreciation of our euro denominated cash and customer balances. At the prevailing exchange rates, we will gradually decrease our balance sheet exposure to the euro by converting some of our cash balances from euro to U.

Speaker 4

S. Dollar at a higher frequency. Our non GAAP tax expense was 33.2 $2,000,000 compared to $37,500,000 in the previous quarter and $13,500,000 for the same period last year. GAAP net income for the Q1 was a record $138,400,000 compared to a GAAP net income of $20,800,000 in the previous quarter and $33,100,000 in the same quarter last year. Our non GAAP net income was a record $174,500,000 compared to a non GAAP net income of $171,500,000 in the previous quarter $68,800,000 in the same quarter last year.

Speaker 4

GAAP net diluted earnings per share was a record $2.35 for the Q1 compared to $0.36 in the previous quarter and $0.60 for the same quarter last year. Non GAAP net diluted earnings per share was a record $2.90 compared to $2.86 in the previous quarter $1.20 in the same quarter last year. Turning now to the balance sheet. As of March 31, 2023, cash, cash equivalents, bank deposits, restricted bank deposits and investments were $1,600,000,000 Net of debt, this amount is $1,000,000,000 Accounts receivable net increased this quarter to $969,500,000 compared to $905,100,000 last quarter, a reflection of our increased revenues. As of March 31, our inventory level net of reserve was at a level of 874 $200,000 compared to $729,200,000 in the prior quarter.

Speaker 4

It's important to note that our inventory levels this quarter include higher levels of finished good products, a result of streamlined manufacturing. These finished goods inventories in the various regions will allow us to further improve our customer delivery time and reduce shipping and logistic expenses. Turning to our guidance for the Q2 of 2023. We're guiding revenues to be within the range of 970,000,000 to $1,010,000,000 We expect non GAAP gross margins to be within the range of 32% to 35%. We expect our non GAAP operating profit to be within the range of $195,000,000 to $215,000,000 Revenues from the solar segment are expected to be within the range of $930,000,000 to $980,000,000 Gross margins from the solar segment is expected to be within the range of 34% to 37%.

Speaker 4

I will now turn the call over to the operator to open it up for questions.

Operator

We'll move first to Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I just had 2. First one, kudos on the gross margin execution here.

Speaker 5

Clearly, the outlook for 2Q, as you acknowledged, Ronin is ahead of the long term model. So just wondering if this should be the new level for the This year to be thinking about or maybe kind of what the levers are here going forward? And then what would make you consider adjusting the long term targets at some point? And then I had a follow-up.

Speaker 4

Okay. So first of all, thank you, Brian. So currently, we're not adjusting our numbers compared What we've guided before, although indeed the gross margins that we presented for the next quarter are above what we've guided. In many senses, we've improved the margin drivers, especially related to the logistic costs And of course, some of the pricing differences related to the fact that the euro was a little bit better and we did affect some increases of prices at the beginning of the Q1, and this is very much impacting the gross margin favorably. At the same time, we do know that we expect to see some changes to the mix of our product offering and sales over the next few quarters, especially with higher amount of batteries that will be shipped.

Speaker 4

And these are characterized with a little bit of the lower gross margin. So on one hand, We still have opportunities to continue and grow gross margins after a long time, but we dealt with component changes. We are doing Cost reduction activities within our R and D organization, there are still spaces to improve the shipment cost and the higher inventories that we have in general set Certainly, in our warehouses at least, certainly helped this one. But since we do expect that we'll see some changes, at least right now, We are guiding for a higher level. We'll remain for a few quarters looking at What are the market trends that we see and what is the adoption rate of each of our products?

Speaker 4

And then we will decide whether we need to change anything.

Speaker 5

Okay. Makes sense. Fair enough. And then just, again, kudos on executing well in Europe Peter, there's been more and more chatter, I feel like to start the year around the potential slowdown in that region And then also some concerns around maybe pricing getting tougher there. So maybe Ronen, Zvi, walk us through how much visibility, 1, you have in Europe For the second half, it seems like that's a region that has more visibility historically has had more visibility the way ordering There versus the U.

Speaker 4

S, but maybe if

Speaker 5

you could walk us through that. And then also on pricing, what you're doing there, commercial, And then also what you're seeing from competition on the pricing front?

Speaker 2

Yes, Brian. In regards to market dynamics, we don't see right now a change in the pattern of demand in the market In Europe, power prices have reduced to a certain extent, but they're still quite significantly higher than in the past, and the return on the investment is good for both Consumers and businesses, and we don't see, at least until now, any change The market continues to be strong. On the competitive side, yes, many companies have availability of product has increased and the market Become more competitive in that regard and more similar to market dynamics of the past where we are competing less on basis of availability and more on the basis of value and the premium capabilities of our solution And the other advantage is in service and presence. So it's a dynamic that we've lived with for more than 10 years and are quite comfortable with our ability to obtain premium pricing for our products and solutions.

Operator

All right. We'll take our next question from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Thanks so much guys.

Speaker 6

Can you talk

Speaker 7

a little bit about the R and D staff returning to product Evolution in cost of programs rather than disqualifying new components and when we might start to see some incremental improvements on the underlying cost structure For both solar and the battery products.

Speaker 2

So definitely, there's been a share. Can't quantify it exactly, but if at the peak time during last year, we would have suggested that about 50% of the R and D organization Dealing with finding alternative components in order to maintain and keep manufacturing products, That number has declined significantly and on top of and we've been able to redirect the R and D resources to focus Sean, first of all, on development of new products and cost reduction in parallel to adding For R and D Resources globally. I don't want to give the exact ratio just because I don't remember it right now in terms Quantities and ratios, but there's definitely been a change in that regard. Typically, cycles for cost reduction, our few quarters long until we implement the changes and then put out initial units for qualification. So usually, that type of effort translates to actual cost reduction in the production line, Probably in the range of 2 to 3 quarters after we actually put the R and D resources on it.

Speaker 2

Does that answer the question?

Speaker 4

Yes, it is.

Speaker 7

Sure, Doug. Thank you so much. And then looking at the battery production, Obviously, there's been a lot of movement in and around raw materials. Can you talk a little bit about what your supply chain looks like terms of pricing and how that's trending here over the next several quarters and how much of those input prices you've I'm able to pass on in some of your forward contracts and models for some of these customers.

Speaker 2

Sure. So when it comes

Speaker 4

to the battery, we have basically 2 streams for the battery cells. 1 is The agreement that we have with Samsung and the other one with the 2nd player that we cannot disclose. In both cases, As is the case, by the way, in all battery major battery supplies, there is a dynamic where the cost of the battery It's following the ability or actually the price the index of Raw materials used by the various manufacturers. And therefore, it's a very technical process where at the end of every Quarter, there is an adjustment of the price of the battery sales based on the changes in the various raw materials that are comprising it. On top of these, there are, of course, all of the elements related to the mechanical parts and manufacturing.

Speaker 4

And here in general, the bigger the amounts And

Speaker 2

the bigger

Speaker 4

the volumes are, you see economies of scale getting a little bit more of buying power when buying those. The other element that we need to take into account is the fact that we are, of course, ramping Stella 2. And once we will have our own Battery manufacturing, then the cost of our products will be tied again to the actual Costs related to the material manufacturers, not the cell manufacturers anymore, but actually the material manufacturers. And here, The agreements that we have are following again price indices. In general, what we see right now is that Indexes related to the materials that are making batteries are generally moving down, although not yet At the level that we used to see before.

Speaker 4

So this is the dynamic that we see right now. And we believe that as we grow, we will be able to take more advantages given our economies Thank you.

Speaker 7

Okay. And I'll take the rest of the line. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 8

And now we're going

Speaker 5

to turn

Operator

the call over to Philip Shen with Roth NKM. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the strong results. First question here is on pricing as a follow-up. Our checks with a bunch of your customers in the U.

Speaker 9

S. Suggest the home hub inverter pricing may have been lowered by 10 ish Effective May 1 in the U. S. Can you talk about that at all? Is it true?

Speaker 9

And how do you expect Pricing in the U. S. Trend, you still are guiding really strong margins in spite of this, if true. And also, we were in touch with a European distributor recently and they're seeing more and more availability of inverters. And I think, Zvi, you were just talking about you're not Getting less on the availability of inverters, but curious to see if you can talk about pricing as Well, in Europe, they're expecting and looking for a price reduction on that continent as well.

Speaker 9

So thanks for the Additional questions on pricing here? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So starting from the U. S, so indeed in the U. S, we did Repricing of the single sales offering in order to encourage usage and what the market needs of the energy health That leads to the easier attachment of batteries later on. So it is the in effect, It's more expensive than the normal inverter.

Speaker 2

And on some of the models, it's slightly lower than It was prior. The overall effect is actually a price increase, and we think it will improve or for sure not Hamper the bottom line. In terms of the dynamic in Europe, yes, as I mentioned, it's back or in a mode of competitive environment. As you know, in Europe, some of the elements that I discussed before in terms of the importance of Software Solutions and Energy Management component is becoming a very Critical differentiating factor between technologies and alternatives. So it continues to be driven type of application, and that's among other reasons why at this point, at least, we don't have a plan for type of broad based price reductions in Europe.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Thanks for that clarity. And then in terms of the channel inventory, can you talk us through what it might look like in the U. S? Our checks It might have been might be a little bit heavy in the U.

Speaker 9

S, whereas in Europe, it seems like it might be still tight there. Do you expect master destocking at some point? Just talk us through what you're seeing with channeling?

Speaker 4

So Gerald, Phil, I think that your the notion here is right. We do see Higher levels of inventory in the channels when it comes to what we call weeks or days of inventory enhanced compared to Europe, Where I would say that U. S, I would say, is relatively okay when it comes to levels of inventory, but because of the fact that Some of the sale out is a little bit lower, then you see that the weeks of inventory on hand are a little bit higher. And in Europe, we actually see Low inventory days on hand. This is, by the way, the dynamic that we said related to the Higher inventories in U.

Speaker 4

S. Are actually more related to our single phase inverter because wherever we're looking at our 3 phase inverter inventory in the channel, This is a place that we see almost across the board in C and I that we see relatively lower levels of inventory. But on that regard, that's something that I think more important to mention and this is that when we are looking at Europe, for example, Not only that we see that the level of inventory is relatively not high, but it's actually that we see record Sell out of products coming from the distribution channel. So here again, it's a kind of a double impact, not only that you don't have a very level, it's actually being sold much quicker. And this is something that at least in the U.

Speaker 4

S. Right now, we see again relatively normal levels, but the sellout is a little bit lower.

Operator

And we'll move next to Mark Strouse with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking

Speaker 10

my questions. Wanted to talk about the C and I business. We talked about this on the last call, the amount of backlog You have given your visibility for the rest of this year. I'm just at a high level though curious some of the weakness we're hearing about kind of on a macro perspective from the just the general commercial real estate market. Is that starting to impact your Pipeline funnel opportunities that might manifest in 2024 or later?

Speaker 2

No. The backlog for C and I It's very strong for the remaining of the year. And as I mentioned in the remarks, we are still behind in terms of being able to increase capacity To meet it and this is true globally. There might be here and there some markets That are slowing down a little bit, but other markets that are accelerating. So overall, as Also, when you look at the reports that I've seen regarding the expectation for the year over year growth in C and I in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Market is expected to be higher than that of the residential. And this is a phenomenon that, as the best of our knowledge, We're seeing globally for the same combination of reasons that I mentioned, the higher power prices and the ESG Motivations and we're engaged in several portfolios of multinational companies are installing systems In several countries on their facilities, be it warehouses, manufacturing sites, etcetera, for ESG purposes. So As far as we see that the C and I market is robust and our backlog is very strong.

Speaker 10

Very clear. Thanks. And then wanted to come back to the comments about U. S. Manufacturing in 3Q.

Speaker 10

Are you able to provide more color there as far as Where you are in that process as far as building up tooling, whatever it might be? And then is there any initial Color that you can give us as far as kind of quantifying what that output might look like in 3Q and kind of what the expectation is for that to ramp over the next few quarters?

Speaker 4

Sure. So first of all, as we mentioned before, our approach String is divided between, 1st, starting with a contract manufacturer in order to be very fast to the market and to be able to Capture U. S. Manufacturing as soon as possible. So since we are already, of course, engaged with the contract We already have teams that were trained on how to make our products.

Speaker 4

One of the bigger benefits that we have by having CellaOne is that When we have a new factory that's supposed to ramp up, we can bring people from Diet Factory to Cella 1 to learn how to make our products, how to build them and how to Basically, consider the line. This is something that was already done, and I can tell you that we are in process of Getting equipment to start manufacturing in Q3, starting to build Training the employees around it. In Q3, still we're going to see relatively small amounts. And we believe that within 3 to 4 quarters, The contract manufacturer capacity will be built. One of the reasons for this process is because we want to make sure that Quality of the manufacturing also is at the right level, and we want to make sure that we take the right time to do this.

Speaker 4

At the same time, we are working on our own factory that will be also built and operated by us. We're already in advanced negotiations related to the location of this place. And here, I've mentioned, since it will require a little bit more innovation, it is something that will take us, I believe, at least a year to start having product coming out from the end of Q3 this year. So I believe that it's going to be in the second half of next year. In general, we intend to have all products coming to the United States to be manufactured in the United States.

Speaker 4

So here, think it's more related to the pull from the market rather than our capabilities. We will make sure that our access that our We will have excess capacity or enough capacity to cover any demand that comes from the U. S. Once we have these 2 factories ramped up.

Speaker 3

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And we'll move next to Michael Blum with Wells Fargo, your line is open.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good afternoon. I wanted to go back to batteries Just for a minute. It looks like shipments are still not quite taking off. And just wondered if you could talk about where Attach rates are trending both in the U.

Speaker 3

S. And rest of world. And should we expect battery shipments to be somewhat constrained until the 3 phase inverter supply catches up with demand.

Speaker 2

Yes. So in the U. S, attach rates are Growing let's put it growing very slowly. We expect it to shift to NAV 3.0 and as people begin to understand How to sell it and for the reasons that I mentioned during the comments before, we expect the attach rates to Gradually increase in the next quarters. In regards To Europe, this is as Oren referenced in his comments, we're seeing very strong demand for The batteries and actually the constraint is the availability of our inverters.

Speaker 2

So we're trying to ramp the inverter shipment As much as possible because without an inverter, people don't have what to do with the battery. So as we continue to increase Capacity on the inverters, we believe that the volumes of batteries will increase as well. So Generally speaking, we are expecting and Lou Anne also referred to that in the comments about the model and the impact of on the margin that the ratio Batteries in our overall shipment will be increasing in the coming quarters.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks for that.

Speaker 2

And then I want to

Speaker 3

just go back to your prepared remarks comments about Rest of world growth opportunities, really the countries outside of Europe. Are those markets primarily residential? Are you also seeing Strong demand for C and I and really any color you can provide there would be really helpful.

Speaker 2

So most of those markets are actually much more tilted to the C and I than to residential. Among the markets that I mentioned, strongest residential markets are Australia, and Israel is a good residential market, and South Africa is Evolving is the reasonable residential market as well as Brazil. But The C and I portion in almost all of these markets and in particular in the Asian markets like Taiwan and Thailand, Places like that are heavily tilted towards C and I, but they are Sizable markets. I don't remember right now for each of these markets, but they're in the 100 megawatts, If not, gigawatt scale for many of these countries in terms of the size of the market overall and like I say, CMIs tilted in many cases. Thank you.

Operator

And we'll move next to Corinne Blanchard with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you for taking my question. The first question, I want to go back on the European market and Trying to get a sense on expectation in 2Q and 3Q versus the Q1. Can we expect the same growth and the same

Speaker 2

So without getting into specifically what growth rate We expect in each market and how that fits into the guidance. As I commented, we see continued Strength in the European market for both applications of residential and commercial. And in both cases, most of the European residential market, not all of it, but a lot of it is 3 phase based. And obviously, all of the C and I market is pre phase based. So there, our growth is less dependent on demand.

Speaker 2

It's more dependent on our ramp of Factoring, which I mentioned, will take us another couple of quarters until we're at full scale of matching The supply to the demand, but right now, we continue to see the European market strong, and we are sitting on a The robust backlog that we intend to deliver between now and the end of the year.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then my follow-up is a My question was more from the residential versus commercial megawatt hour ship. You had I believe You had a 7% or so decrease quarter over quarter for the residential one. Do you how should we think about it going I believe the slowdown is mostly driven by the U. S.

Speaker 6

Should we expect like flat number? Or do you expect further decrease there?

Speaker 2

So again, I separate for a minute between the U. S. And in Europe. In Europe, the Situations is more dependent on our supply and our intent to continue an increased capacity of 3 Inverters, so the outlook is for likely growth. In the U.

Speaker 2

S, the dynamic is More market related and as I mentioned in the remarks, we think that Like it happens, by the way, in many markets where there is a significant change in regulation or in the financial Atmos 3, it takes the market some time to adjust and to learn how to sell under this environment and how to install under this environment. So it's True for NIM 3.0 in California and it's true for the rest of the market and the interest rate. So how long it will take For the market to adjust, and is this the bottom level or and is it going to begin to increase or is it going to remain flat? I don't think we have a good Specific indication on that, but as I mentioned, in terms of midterm, we feel that the dynamics are Positive, both from solar adoption point of view and the ITC and everything around it and from our position and technology.

Speaker 6

All right. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Operator

And we'll move next to Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hi, this is Morgan Reed on for Julian. Can you walk Through the moving pieces to get to the gross margin improvement quarter over quarter, what's coming from cost declines and price increases, FX benefits, shift in mix, things like that? Just curious to try to understand what's driving that.

Speaker 4

Sure. So first of all, again, without going into the numbers themselves The amount of moving parts is growing. I would say that we divided to basically, I would say, 2 main areas. The first area Is the difference between the price of the product that we are manufacturing and the price that we're selling, and this is mostly related Usually to currency changes and to mix changes. In these cases, the currency changes definitely helped because of the fact that euro came back to A level of about $1,800,000 $1,900,000 And as we mentioned before, at a euro of 1.10 cents per euro, we're almost on par on margins when it comes to the United States.

Speaker 4

And therefore, of course, stronger euro is helping there. At the same time, we did see and I think that you see it in our numbers, our commercial products within the mix that are characterized with lower gross margin was substantially higher this quarter. So in that sense, The two phenomena were relatively similar in size and not contributing or reducing dramatically the margin difference. Most of the improvement that we saw this quarter came from other elements that are not related to pricing or manufacturing costs, and these are all of the other costs related to the supply chain. So by definition, the more streamlined manufacturing we had, the shipment costs That used to be elevated went down not yet to level that they were before.

Speaker 4

So there's still a little bit of a room to grow there, and I think that it's evident in our Margin for the next quarter. And we also saw because of the fact that we have a very streamlined manufacturing, the fact that some of the Our charges that we used to get from our contract manufacturers did not exist this quarter because they were working at full steam, having all of the Ships occupied and that's where most of our, I would say Advantage came this year. As mentioned before, we are already getting close to where we see ourselves In our model from the various costs. And from now on, we expect that most of the changes will be related to the mix of Product. So definitely more batteries will reduce the gross margin, even though again on operating profit Margins, we are talking about an increase because of the operational leverage that they create.

Speaker 4

We still see some tailwinds that can help us in shipping And other manufacturing costs. And of course, the currency is always a mystery because you don't know how to project it. At least right now, it seems to be either stable or possibly favorable. But again, this is something that very much changes. So In all aspects, I think that we're getting closer to where we want to be on the model.

Speaker 4

And I think that right now, the mix of the products will be the things that will take most of the, I would call it the driver of driving forces when it comes to our gross margin.

Speaker 8

That's really helpful. Thank you. And I guess you alluded to it earlier, the improvement in the operating margin kind of I know previously you had given the sort of guidance of maybe like 20% to 22% operating margin towards the end of this year as we exit. I'm just curious how that's bearing given sort of the stronger gross margin and maybe we had expected mid year here. So just curious if your operating margin expectations are changing at all given the strength of the gross margin line and operating leverage still to fold in here?

Speaker 4

Sure. So here, definitely, we continue to see the operating leverage. We've mentioned before that we expected to see our gross margins getting to the target levels by the end of Q2 and Operating profit margins are at the end of the year to exit the year. In that sense, we're already at 19.5% of operating profit margins On a consolidated level and on a consolidated level, we said it will be between 'nineteen to 'twenty. On solar, we did say that will be 'twenty to 'twenty 2.

Speaker 4

And again, We're very close to this number. Again, we feel very comfortable, as we guided before, that we'll exit the year with operating margins to be At the level that we've guided before that relates to our financial model.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thank you. I will take your rest offline.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

We'll move next to Kashy Harrison with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

So as your results show, operating Performance was very robust in Q1. While we're seeing significant amount of operating income in Q1 and Q2 guide, Working capital was another big use of cash this quarter. And so maybe just, Mike, can you provide me some context on how you're thinking about Working capital and maybe some of that conversion from income to operating cash throughout the year. And then maybe even just at a high level structurally, How you think about that conversion on a multiyear basis? And then I have a follow-up.

Speaker 2

Okay. Sure. So, first of

Speaker 4

all, usually, the three elements that are impacting dramatically the Working capital is, of course, days sales outstanding when it comes to collection from our customers. Actually, this quarter, we our DSO decreased a little bit, which means that we did not see any major change. When it comes to customer to vendor payments, again, our terms have not changed significantly. The thing that changed significantly this quarter is Related to our inventories that grew by about $150,000,000 and this is actually almost the missing cash from the formula that I will give you in a second. And this is related to the fact that based on our agreement with Samsung, we needed to buy battery cells up until the end of Q1 And pay for them while the batteries that are coming from these sales that are the single phase batteries mostly going to the United States are simply being sold a little bit slower, given all of the aspects that Sidi mentioned before related to the U.

Speaker 4

S. Market attachment rates And battery growth. And as a result, we found ourselves where, at least in Q1, we're buying battery sales, where we have less battery sales. And again, this is about $160,000,000 of difference in our inventory. What we expect to see during this year is that since we've already bought all of these battery we will start clearing them out, and therefore, we will reverse these phenomena.

Speaker 4

We expect to see On an annual basis that approximately 80% of our operating profit is turning into cash within the same period. And this is simply a result of the fact that we do see that our first of all, we're growing, which, of course, means that Usually, we are paying quicker than we collect. And secondly is the fact that we do see that in general, our sales are more inclined towards the end of the quarter. And the result of this is that we believe that about 80% of Operational profit will turn into cash on an annual basis. I think that this is something that didn't happen in Q1.

Speaker 4

So actually in Q1 Q2 to Q3, We should see a little bit of a reversed situation where actually and especially in the other second half of the year, We're going to generate more than 80%. But in general, the number that we have is 80% conversion.

Speaker 3

Thanks for that added color there. And then, for my second question, I was wondering if you

Speaker 4

could just maybe give us A bit more of a detailed update on the CELLA-two RAM process. When do

Speaker 3

you expect CELLA-two to achieve your targeted Desired output level, when do you expect to start selling cell to residential batteries? Is there a possibility to we end up selling the cells if battery demand isn't where you like it to be. Just any sort of detailed update on cello2 would be great.

Speaker 4

Sure, Leslie. So first of all and I apologize for maybe a little bit of education at the beginning, but when you're ramping a battery During a factory, there is a process or a stage within the ramp up that is called process stabilization. You basically adjust various elements within the manufacturing process itself like temperature, like Concentration of materials in the air, level of suction within vacuum chambers and even the flow of goods on the production To Fluor, to the processes that you're using. And this is exactly where we are we were in Q1. That means that at that time, we are consuming a little More materials because we're making a lot of cash and we're stabilizing the process.

Speaker 4

Not all of the materials can basically be used and therefore the yield of the factories not yet there. This is a process that's supposed to end sometimes within Q1, Q2 or actually, it was Q1 and Q2 this year. And at that time, we simply start to grow over time the manufacturing capacity by ramping and increasing the speed of Seeing the speed of movement of components within the manufacturing stations themselves. And this is what we expect to happen in Q2 in the second half of this year. In general, the manufacturing capacity of Stella-two is supposed to be 1.7 It's 2 gigawatt hour.

Speaker 4

At the beginning, because of yields, we expect it to be around 1.7 gigawatt, And we expect to get this to this level either by the end of the year or beginning of next year, simply because of the fact that we need to ramp. So what are going to be the usages? First of all, we need to remember that there is a business that is actually growing very nicely for us of the storage division itself. We are selling today within the storage division to outside customers those battery sales, their sales that they're Later on using to make their own battery or battery packs. And we also sell ESS products that are going to applications that are not necessarily tied to solar, And these are spinning reserve and other storage containers that you see in various places.

Speaker 4

We sell in So first of all, there is a demand that is already fulfilled and that is already manufactured for from Stella 2 For these products and actually to date or at least until CEVA2 existed, we had limitation on our supply And also the demand for these products. So this is something that we see we expect to grow. And to your question, yes, if we don't take enough sales to our RSS, We believe that we can utilize Selah 2 for these kind of activities. The second activity is to have our own residential storage system based on our Selah two products. And as we mentioned here, we're basically now in advanced stages of developing this product, And we expect to have 1st manufacturing batches coming towards the end of this year.

Speaker 4

So all in all, we believe that throughout 2024, we will consume The majority, if not all of the CELLA-two cell production capability.

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Maheep Mandloi with Credit Suisse. Your line open.

Speaker 9

Hi, this is David Benjamin on for Maheep. Just I guess a follow-up on that and on one of your earlier responses, you mentioned that You foresee all U. S. Products being manufactured in the U. S, but can you detail any of your thoughts On battery manufacturing plans for the U.

Speaker 9

S?

Speaker 2

So at this point, we're focused on getting inverters and optimizers manufactured in the United States, starting with the residential and moving on to commercial. We're also waiting to understand clarifications around some of the regulations for batteries, And we will make decisions once we understand in terms of potentially doing battery assembly in the U. S. Obviously, cell manufacturing in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Is a much more complex and long term question. But right now, we're focusing on inverters and optimizers. And once we understand

Speaker 4

the regulations on batteries, we'll decide if and how to assemble in the U. S.

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Joseph Osha with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is

Speaker 4

open. Hi, there. Thanks, guys. Two questions. First, I appreciate the sort of the operating Margin target towards the end of this year, but thinking about the longer term financial model, how quickly is OpEx likely to grow Relative to the top line, how should we think about that in the out years?

Speaker 2

So it's I'm not sure that

Speaker 4

I have a very good answer for it because I'll try to give you what moves this ratio because it's a little bit tricky. First of all, it's revenue growth. And as we've mentioned before, we do believe that in the next few years, we can grow At the rate of 20% to 30%. We said it on the Analyst Day last year. We've actually exceeded it dramatically by growing 58% year over year.

Speaker 4

And I think that with the demand that we see, there are chances to maybe grow even faster than what we think this year As long as the demand is there and we're able to cope and get the components needed to make sure that and the capacity to make sure that we meet it. So Potentially, it's high growth. The second part of the first is how quickly we can rent the expenses. And about 2 thirds of our expenses today, operating expenses are actually employee costs. These are salaries to employees.

Speaker 4

And when it comes to hiring employees, it's very hard to grow them at the pace of 30%, where you already have more than 5,200 employees working for you. In R and D, this is in particular hard simply because of the fact that you need very Killed people. And actually, where we do R and D today, we've already attracted a lot of the talent. So you're Going into a pool that is getting a little bit more shallow. So here, I would tell you that we would like to grow as much as we can.

Speaker 4

I think we do not believe that we can grow at 30 percent or more year over year. When it comes to sales and marketing and G and A, here we usually used to say that we would To see sales and marketing and G and A growing in average, let's say, it's about 50% to 60% Of the growth of revenues when we're looking at expenses. So that by definition, of course, is widening the level. So these are the moving parts. We believe that, yes, we can over time go beyond this 22% of 22% of operating margins.

Speaker 4

But then again, we need to remember that we need to see also what's going to be the impact of batteries On the gross margin, because this is the other part. So we feel confident that we can increase the operational lever. I think that we gave you what's moving, And we'll have to see again if and when we need to adjust the overall operating margin target. Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 4

That's very helpful. And then my follow-up, I guess, I feel like we've kind of been tap dancing around this. So let me just ask directly. How long is it going to take Until you have all of your U. S.

Speaker 4

Bound commercial and residential inverters and optimizers, Not batteries, but inverters and optimizers being made in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Generally, we're targeting to try and have all of that capacity produced In the U. S. By the end of 'twenty four, beginning of 'twenty five.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thanks. I'm sorry, maybe that yes, I may have missed that, but thank you. I appreciate

Operator

And we'll move next to Amit Bhakkar with BMO Capital. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thanks for squeezing me in. Just One real quick one for me. I was wondering, you guys talked a lot about kind of the NEM 3.0 transition. But during the quarter, do

Speaker 3

you guys have a sense for how

Speaker 7

much of your revenues kind of came from California?

Speaker 2

No, Not really. Now generally speaking, when we look at California and our historical distribution of our revenue globally and then within the U. S. And between the segments of residential and commercial. So California by itself has never been a huge part of our ongoing business.

Speaker 2

But specifically in Q1, how much is related to California or even what are the installed Rate of our product in California during the Q1, we don't have that type of information in front of us right now. All right.

Speaker 7

Thanks. I'll take the rest offline.

Operator

And we'll move next to Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 3

You mentioned in the One of them was the shift to TPO. And I'm curious kind of how much did you see that actually happening in Q1 versus kind of expecting it to happen the rest of 'twenty three, 'twenty four?

Speaker 2

It's Definitely more of a expectation based on what you read and see in the market. It's not something That I can say that we've seen a clear indication in the Q1. What is generally related to the IRA advantages that go to the DPOs, and this has been a market segment That historically, we have been strong in and made some announcements recently and continue to strengthen and build those relationships

Speaker 3

Sure. Okay. And then just on the C and I growth, maybe Could you just talk to more trends of how quickly that's growing relative to residential? And Just is it something that any trends that you're seeing in the P and I particular relative to just overall economics of solar? Yes.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Actually, Juan, just related to some of the previous questions about the C and I market in Europe. So while we were Discussing the other with the other questions, I both have some data. So an interesting data point will be that our Point of sale data from our distribution channels in Europe grew from the Q4 to the Q1 by 40% and from the Q3 to the Q4 of 'twenty two by 25% almost. So we're These are the type of accelerating factors we're seeing for the growth of the C and I market In Europe, again, this is a data point related to how much our distributors are selling to installers and EPCs In the C and I market in Europe.

Speaker 2

So the dynamic is positive and strong over there. Also, again, in the U. S, We didn't grow significantly quarter over quarter in megawatt shipments in C and I, but the general Assessment in the market is that the expectation is for a stronger year over year growth in C and I in the U. S. Market compared to residential.

Speaker 2

So when we look at the 3 geographies that we typically consider of U. S, Europe and Rest of World, we are seeing a momentum of Accelerated growth for C and I, and it relates to everything that we discussed in terms of corporates, but as well as the broad Adoptions and push. France just passed a legislation that we mandate Solar installations on car parks, and that regulation is being adopted by other European countries. So you also see a range of government legislations in different countries Encouraging growth of the C and I market. So when we collect all of these indicators together, that's where we conclude that this Market has good momentum and is going to grow at a relatively fast rate.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

And it does appear that there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to CEO, C. B. Landau.

Speaker 2

Thank you. So in summary, we are pleased with our results this quarter, which demonstrate the advantages of our strong position across diverse markets and applications. And so I want to thank

Speaker 4

you for joining us on our call today and have a good evening.

Operator

This does conclude today's program.

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