NASDAQ:FORR Forrester Research Q1 2023 Earnings Report $9.12 -0.13 (-1.41%) Closing price 04/17/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$9.09 -0.03 (-0.32%) As of 04/17/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Forrester Research EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.14Consensus EPS $0.30Beat/MissMissed by -$0.16One Year Ago EPSN/AForrester Research Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$113.67 millionExpected Revenue$125.05 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$11.38 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AForrester Research Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/4/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, May 4, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsForrester Research's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Forrester Research Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 4, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Forrester's First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:13I would now like to turn the conference over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Tyson Seeley. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, and hello, everyone. Thanks for joining today's call. Earlier this afternoon, we issued our press release for the Q1 of 2023. If you need a copy, You can find 1 on our website in the Investors section. Here with us today to discuss our results are George Colony, Forrester's Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Chris Finn, Chief Financial Officer and 8 Swan, Chief Sales Officer. Speaker 100:00:48Carrie Johnson, our Chief Product Officer is also here with us for the Q and A section of the call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this call will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as expects, believes, Anticipates, intends, plans, estimates or similar expressions are intended to identify these forward looking statements. These statements are based on the company's current plans and expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause future activities and results of operations to be materially different from those set forth in the forward looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed in our reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:50Lastly, consistent with our previous calls, today we will be discussing our performance on an adjusted basis, which excludes items affecting comparability. While reporting on an adjusted basis is not in accordance with GAAP, We believe that reporting numbers on an adjusted basis provides a meaningful comparison and an appropriate basis for our discussion. You can find a detailed list of items excluded from these adjusted results in our press release. And with that, I'll hand it over to George. Speaker 200:02:21Thank you, Tyson. I would like to welcome everyone to Forrester's 1st quarter investor call. As I noted in the 2022 Q4 presentation, The company is navigating through 2 challenges, an uncertain economy, particularly for technology and our product transition to Forrester decisions. These two factors are having a higher than expected impact on our business and we expect that they will persist through the remainder of the year and potentially into 2024. Accordingly, we announced a restructuring today that will downsize our headcount by 8% and we are issuing new guidance for 2023, which Chris will take you through in a few moments. Speaker 200:03:00Despite these challenges, we remain confident in where Forrester is going. Our strategy to drive customer obsessed growth for business and technology leaders is resonant with clients. We have a new product that delivers Proven high value to the large companies we serve, we have over 2,600 global clients and the brand remains well known and respected. Business and technology have never been more complex and fast moving. Our clients need Forrester's guidance and data more than ever as they seek to be increasingly digital and grapple with new technologies such as generative AI. Speaker 200:03:35Our team is prepared to weather this storm and get the company back on track to grow contract value. I would like to review a few key numbers from the Q1. In the Q1 of 2023, Revenue declined 9%, adjusted operating margins of 7% were down 4 points versus the prior year period and EPS was $0.27 a 40% decline from the prior year. Total contract value for the quarter was 347,000,000 and wallet retention declined 2 points quarter over quarter to 92%. Given our results, the natural question is what has changed since we last reported. Speaker 200:04:16And there are 2 factors I will call out. Number 1, since the last earnings call in February, the macroeconomic environment has worsened. In addition to the ongoing banking crisis, inflation continues to remain high and the uncertainty around the duration and depth of a potential recession has intensified. These conditions are affecting Forrester, our clients in the technology industry and our large user clients, in particular, Financial Services. If I had to summarize the environment, I would characterize it as a waiting game with budgets restricted and spending sitting on the sidelines. Speaker 200:04:53Over the last year, the technology sector has been one of the hardest hit. We saw initial rounds of layoffs in the back half of last year and they are continuing. Now this directly affects us, whether it's because a key contact has moved on, overall budgets are constrained or buying decisions are being delayed. The second factor is the transition of our research contract value over to Forrester decisions, an effort that does not come without pains. While this product has been well received, it is taking time to move our base to this new platform. Speaker 200:05:26As you will recall, 9 months ago, we made the decision to move faster on the transition based on high early adoption rates and positive client feedback. Accelerating the transition was the right decision to make even though it is causing the delay of some renewals. And this has been compounded by my first point, we're making a transition in a time of uncertainty. We are doing 2 hard things simultaneously. So let's spend a few minutes digging deeper into the transition. Speaker 200:05:58As a result of the decision to move faster, we're seeing a slowdown in our new business as well as longer sales cycles overall. Now this should be temporal. Under the leadership of Nate Swan, our Chief Sales Officer, We are enabling our sales force to call hiring companies and for salespeople to more precisely articulate the value of Forrester decisions. We're going to hear from Nate in a few moments. And given these challenges, why are we confident moving forward? Speaker 200:06:271st and foremost, we believe the Forrester decisions holds great promise in our effort to grow contract value at double digit rates. The metrics around the product continue to be strong and they are outpacing metrics for our legacy research products. At 87%, client retention for Forrester decisions is 13 points higher than our legacy products. Wallet retention for Forrester Decisions remains higher than our legacy product at 93%. Its 16 discrete services will drive cross sell. Speaker 200:06:58We believe wallet retention for Forrester decisions will ultimately run above 100%. Client engagement continues to outpace our legacy research. Clients spend 35% more time on the Forrester decisions platform. Client scoring of our guidance and inquiry sessions, these are essential features of the product, is averaging 6.6 on a 7.0 scale. And these are some of the highest client satisfaction scores we've had for any Forrester product. Speaker 200:07:28At the end of Q1, 44% of our CV has now moved over to Forrester Decisions. This is up 12 points from year end. We've made a good start in achieving our goal of moving 2 thirds of Seabee to Forrester Decisions by the end of the year. And a final note on Forrester Decisions, The total economic impact team at Forrester has recently completed a TEI study of the product. 46 current clients reported that Forrester Decisions has had 4 impacts on their businesses. Speaker 200:08:001, it increased the success rate of transformations by 25%. 2, it's speeding up transformations by 50%. 3, it increased the revenue stream for new products by 4% And 4, it saved executive time. Clients report a return on investment from Forrester decisions of 2 59%. This TEI study is available on the Forrester Investor portal. Speaker 200:08:29The second reason that we remain confident despite the economic moment is that we continue to stay on offense to improve our business. And these include: 1, moving our sales force and go to market from good to great by improving enablement, process and sales methodology. Nate will give more details shortly, but I wanted to report that he has been an excellent add to the team, especially given his deep prior experience in the research business. His plan for leveling up sales is simple, powerful and market proven. NIT has used our reduction in force to get a head start on building an optimized sales structure. Speaker 200:09:052, we are engaged in continuous innovation to improve Forrester decisions and add new features to the product. This includes beta testing 2 new research artifacts that will be operational by the end of the second quarter. And unsurprisingly, We are investigating how we could use generative AI to make it easier for clients to access our research and data. We see this technology as a game changer for our business, unlocking higher value for our clients without requiring human intervention. 3, as I noted above with sales, we are using the restructuring to optimize research and our functional teams to put us in the best position to get the highest return from Forrester decisions. Speaker 200:09:48These moves include improving the client onboarding process, sunsetting non critical products, Fine tuning marketing to drive the quality and quantity of leads and investing in better sales technology. We want to move faster and simplify the business and we are using the restructuring to do both. So in conclusion, we continue to expect 2023 to be a difficult year, not only for Forrester, but for the market and for the customers that we serve. Yet, we remain confident and we are pushing forward to build a CV growth engine that can generate double digit growth as it did in 2021. Even in recession, companies must see the future, make better decisions and execute if they're going to win, serve and retain their customers. Speaker 200:10:36Forrester helps them do just that. I would now like to hand the call over to Nate Swan, Forrester's Chief Sales Officer. And following Nate's remarks, Chris Finn will Speaker 300:10:44give a financial update and then we will take questions. Over to you, Nick. Thanks, George, and good afternoon, everyone. I look forward to sharing my learnings from my 1st few months at Forrester as well as the plans we've started to implement with the sales force and where I see us continuing to evolve and develop. Let me break this into 3 parts. Speaker 300:11:041st is a realignment of the sales team. 2nd is how we're changing the way our sales teams call on customers. And third is the people that will help enable and drive all of this. Starting first with our realignment. We are and have been taking actions to allow us to refine our go to market strategy and focus on high value Forrester decisions services that deliver tremendous outcomes for our customers. Speaker 300:11:31As part of this, we are laying the groundwork to create new vertical sales teams within the organization. In addition, we are creating dedicated leadership to service our regions, North America, Europe and APAC. We are also creating a dedicated new business role to focus on user and vendor opportunities. Finally, I've hired a senior government sales leader that will help us capture that opportunity. These changes will create efficiencies, better enablement and expertise within our teams. Speaker 300:12:01As George mentioned on last quarter's call, the company spent the first half of twenty twenty two aggressively hiring to drive CV. As the technology sector has continued to slow with multiple waves of layoffs, we have made the difficult decision to realign our sales force and cost structure with our expectations. These are obviously never easy decisions, but I'm confident we have the right team in place to deliver on our commitment. We've reduced quota bearing headcount by approximately 14% from 426 at the end of the Q1 to 365 today, which is where we were in 2021. This is better aligned with our go to market strategy of refocusing upmarket on technology providers and on the end users. Speaker 300:12:462nd, we are optimizing the way we call on our customers. What we've learned through the transition to Forrester decisions is that we need a new approach to enablement. We have a good sales team in place, but to take them and the organization to the next level, we need to enable them to sell higher into the C suite. This is where customer obsessed decisions are made and this is where our sales organization needs to pivot. We're early in the journey of enabling our salespeople to call on these personas and I expect we'll make good progress here this year. Speaker 300:13:16As a part of this, we've created a new sales center of excellence at our Cambridge, Massachusetts headquarters. While we will still recruit, develop and promote in markets around the U. S, we will emphasize hiring world class talent in and 2, the Greater Boston area. This will create a centralized location where our sales teams can come together to learn from our leaders as well as one another and grow into the sales team that we want to be. We have the facilities in Cambridge to support that growth and we know there's talent in that marketplace. Speaker 300:13:49Finally, it's our sales leadership team that will help usher Forrester into a new phase during this transition to Forrester decisions. As I mentioned previously, we are hiring new leads for geographies and other business verticals. A key hire that we made at the end of the Q1 was the new Head of Sales, Operations and Enablement. This person has many years of experience in the space and she has been through similar transitions. This new position will help tie everything I just mentioned together. Speaker 300:14:17She'll help to teach and enable the sales force to sell to the C suite, connect their priorities to great outcomes on customer obsession, simplify and measure how we're performing and build cross functional selling. We have work to do, but this is a key position that I'm very happy we've filled. Let me summarize with this. My first 100 days here have been filled with change and opportunity. I remain confident in the value the sales team can drive for this organization and what Forrester decisions can bring to our clients and future clients. Speaker 300:14:49With the team we have in place and the positions we are building out, I have full confidence in achieving 2 thirds of CV on Forrester decisions by the end of the year, setting the company up for strong growth in the years ahead. I look forward to continuing to meet with all of you and sharing my thoughts and progress. Let me now hand it over to Chris to go over financials. Chris? Speaker 400:15:09Thanks, Nate, and good afternoon, everyone. George and Nate have covered a great deal already. Today, I'd like to provide you with a detailed overview of our Q1 results, Additional details on the cost reductions that we announced today and our updated guidance. Forrester is going through a major product transition during difficult economic times. Our financial performance this quarter fell short of what we expected and our outlook for the year has softened based on our Q1 performance and increasingly difficult macroeconomic environment that we are facing. Speaker 400:15:39With that, today we announced a restructuring plan that not only aligns our cost structure with our revised revenue outlook, but as noted by Nate earlier in his remarks, better aligns our organization to more efficiently go to market while creating a foundation for CV growth and margin expansion in the future. Let me now get into a detailed overview of our Q1 results. Revenue in the Q1 $113,700,000 representing a decline of 9% year over year. Total contract value for the quarter was $347,000,000 flat to last year and wallet retention declined 2 points quarter over quarter to 92%. Regarding Forrester decisions, Client retention was 87% and wallet retention came in at 93% for the quarter, both down from prior quarter, but still outperforming the overall portfolio metrics. Speaker 400:16:29As discussed last quarter, as we continue our migration efforts, we expect overall wallet retention to be a bit lumpy, but ultimately to be consistently above 100% once we are fully through the product migration. We continue to make progress on our migration efforts with Farris' decisions now at 44% of our total CV exiting the Q1, up 12 points from when we last reported. Now for a deeper dive by revenue line. Research revenue came in at $80,900,000 for the quarter, a decrease of 6% compared to the same period in 2022. This performance was impacted by flat growth in CV With revenue from our subscription research products growing 2%, offset by a decline in our reprint product and our other smaller and discontinued products. Speaker 400:17:17Our CV performance was affected by both a decrease in wallet retention, which declined 11 points year over year, which was primarily due to lower enrichment as our dollar retention was steady and a decline in new business growth. Client retention and client count were also both down from Q1 last year. However, as I mentioned previously, The metrics for how far as the decisions continue to perform above the overall portfolio numbers that we are reporting. Our consulting business posted revenues $31,800,000 in the Q1, a decline of 17%. These declines were largely driven by macro environment impacts, given everything we've mentioned previously, coupled with the ongoing focus on CV during this time frame. Speaker 400:17:59As part of our We are shifting away from exclusively selling custom consulting to developing prepackaged offerings that can be sold specifically with Forrester Decisions, alongside our existing custom consulting. We expect this change to lead to improved product performance, client engagement and retention of Forrester decisions. We continue to take action to organize around what our clients need and to better serve them. And finally, in terms of our events business, We had minimal revenue in the Q1 as we did not hold any events during the period. Let me continue down the P and L on an adjusted basis. Speaker 400:18:36Operating expenses for the Q1 decreased by 5%, driven by lower compensation costs, professional services, billable fees and rent. Largely driven by the lower growth on the top line, operating income declined by 43% to $7,500,000 or 6.6 percent of revenue in the current quarter, compared to $13,100,000 or 10.5 percent of revenue in the Q1 of 2022. Interest expense for the quarter was minimally higher at $800,000 as compared to $600,000 in the Q1 of 2022. Finally, net income decreased 40 percent to $5,100,000 compared to $8,600,000 in the previous year's period. Earnings per share decreased 40% to $0.27 compared to $0.45 in the year ago quarter. Speaker 400:19:24Looking at our capital structure, our first quarter cash flow from operating activities was $12,300,000 and capital expenditure was $1,600,000 We paid down $15,000,000 of debt during the quarter, leaving us with $35,000,000 of outstanding debt. We did not repurchase any shares in the quarter, leaving us with approximately $75,000,000 of our stock repurchase authorization intact. And we exited the quarter with $121,000,000 of cash and investments on hand. As we've discussed today, we have taken actions to better align our cost structure with our revenue forecast and to refine our organization to drive CV growth more efficiently and effectively. As was noted earlier, we've made changes that will improve our focus on selling to vertical markets, New business growth and selling high in the organization, along with building out a world class sales center of excellence at our Cambridge headquarters to train and enable our sales force. Speaker 400:20:20I'll now provide some additional details regarding the restructuring. We have reduced our workforce by approximately 8% along with reducing our lease footprint by closing 3 U. S. And 1 international location. In an age of hybrid work, we're moving toward larger office hubs that will be our centers for in person collaboration, We expect to incur approximately $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 of costs for these actions, including approximately $2,000,000 of non cash charges, and we expect our structural cost savings, net of reinvestment, to be approximately $14,000,000 on an annualized basis. Speaker 400:20:56In terms of guidance for the full year, the reduction in cost allows us to essentially maintain our margin range for 2023, while at the same time setting us up for margin expansion once revenue growth returns. Revenue is now expected to be in the range of $475,000,000 to $495,000,000 This guidance assumes a mid to high single digit decline in our research business, a decline in our consulting business in the high teens and a low single digit decline in the Events business for the year. Operating margins are now expected to be in the range of 11.5% to 12.5%. Interest expense is expected to be approximately $3,000,000 for the year, and we are continuing to guide for a full year tax rate of approximately 29%. Taking all of this into account, earnings per share is now expected to be in the range of $2 to $2.20 We firmly believe we have the right strategy in place. Speaker 400:21:48You've heard from Nate, who has taken large steps in his 1st 100 days, and you've heard from George and myself regarding actions we've taken over the last 2 months to better align our cost structure with our expectations. As we've outlined, our focus on CV and on our transition to Forrester decisions continues, albeit with a challenging macroeconomic backdrop. But we're making progress against our goals. Forrester decisions continues to grow as a percentage of CV, our key retention metrics continue to be better than the And most importantly, client feedback remains strong. We've made difficult decisions in the past few months, We've taken those actions in an effort to improve our performance and better prepare Forrester for what's ahead. Speaker 400:22:31Thank you all for taking the time today. Let me now hand it over to George for some concluding remarks before we get into Q and A. Speaker 200:22:38Thank you, Chris. While the Q1 played out differently than we had expected, We have taken actions to position the company to return to growth. Our restructuring aligns expenses with expected revenue. Under Nate's leadership, we are taking sales from good to great. And we continue to push forward to transition our clients to our power research platform, Forrester Decisions. Speaker 200:23:03In Forrester's 40 years in business, it has weathered a number of challenging economies and technology changes. We emerged from all those moments as a stronger company. Through the agility and creativity of Forrester's people, we will move forward to resume growing research contract value. With that, I'm going to hand the call back to the operator and we will take questions. Operator00:23:50Our first question comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Your line is open. Speaker 500:23:55Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. George, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks or you kind of laid out the 2 major areas where things have changed Since last quarter, totally understand the macro environment, but I wanted to ask about maybe what's gotten worse on the FD Transition versus a couple of months back, it seems like your expectation is still to reach 2 thirds of CV growth by the end of this year. So is it just taking longer than expected? Is there more attrition than you had expected on the legacy business? Speaker 500:24:31Just trying to get a little bit more color on what on that piece of what's changed. Speaker 200:24:39Yes. I mean, look, this transition is not going to flow in a predictable way quarter to quarter, Andrew. And early results were good. Results are still very good. We're renewing at higher rates, etcetera. Speaker 200:24:53But it's just lumpiness on this. And that's just what's happening. And I think new business is also a factor here. We're not moving as quickly With Forrester's decision to new business, Nate is doing a lot of work here to rebuild the new business team and that's going to help. But Again, this is not going to be easily predictable. Speaker 200:25:17It will be lumpy quarter by quarter. As it was. Speaker 500:25:21Understood. And then do you think like does the higher ticket price on FD have anything to do with it? Or is it just more about And budget freezes in general? Speaker 200:25:33I think look, this is not compared to large consulting contracts, This is not a high priced product, but it is definitely 20% up from the legacy products. So there's a little bit of hesitancy there. But it is it's primarily clients Holding on to, clinging on to the old, even the serious decisions of the Fortune legacy products. And it's just taking time to move them to the new model and to help them understand the new model. And by the way, the new model is a much higher value product than either of those 2 old legacy products. Speaker 200:26:14So that's any other insight here, Carrie, on this? Speaker 600:26:19No, I think you said it right. In terms of turning the new business team toward a different buyer, for sure, with a new value proposition, more so even than the price point, I would say. At the new Forrester, like George said, we're excited about what this can do and know that we'll get to our goals by the end of this year. Speaker 200:26:44Thank you. Yes, Andrew, there's a little bit of So for large tech companies, this is we are now going to market with them 2 ways. FMI is to help them with their go to market, but Forged Your Decision is helping the CMO, the CIO, the Head of Sales, etcetera in new ways which we've really never worked with them before. So this is a it's a new motion with the vendors and that's taking time We have to understand that and to understand and accept that. So that's also slowing us down a little bit. Speaker 500:27:19Got it. No, that's all very helpful. And then for my follow-up question, I wanted to ask On the consulting side, I think, you mentioned shifting away from custom consulting, Doing a little bit more in terms of packaged consulting. Can you spend a little bit more time talking about that shift? And Is that the primary driver of the lower revenue expectation in consulting or is it macro related? Speaker 500:27:48Thank you. Speaker 600:27:50Sure. This is Carrie. I would say, it's twofold. We have, in the The last few quarters seen slowing demand, separate of the packaged consulting move that Chris mentioned, both in our strategy And in our content marketing businesses, this is a tough compare by the way to 2021 and even into the first half of twenty twenty two. So that's largely the macroeconomic conditions. Speaker 600:28:19And while consulting is a critical part of our business, Our sales force really is laser focused on growing CV, and we believe that this rightsizing consulting of the consulting that we talked about today as part of our restructuring, plus a move to these prepackaged consulting that's really more tied to Forrester decisions and the outcomes of our clients as it relates to that, we really think that will help both drive some of the consulting business moving forward, but CV as well and frankly more profitably. Operator00:28:52Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Andres Soderstrom with Sidoti. Your line is open. Speaker 700:29:09Hi, thank you for taking my questions. So how much do you think These headwinds are due to macro environment compared to just the internal transition to the Forrester decision? Speaker 200:29:24A question we ask ourselves all the time actually. I'd say fifty-fifty in that range, looking around the room, your heads are nodding. It's probably going to tap us half the environment. Speaker 700:29:41Okay. And how can you just talk a little bit more in-depth on how you're changing the go to market and how you are Reaching this other C suite with the sales force you have? Speaker 300:29:56Yes, absolutely. Great question. So I recently brought in this is Nate speaking by the way. I recently brought in a new Head of Operations and Enablement and really excited about for joining the team. We are going to be very focused on enabling the team to call higher in the organization. Speaker 300:30:15Traditionally, with our legacy products, we did not need to get to the C suite. We really believe that, that is where the value of this The product is and not only where the value is, where there's a lot more money for us to expand because once you get to that level, You will then have additional opportunities with team seats and other follow on engagements, whether it's Additional seats or consulting engagements to prepackaged engagements that Carrie was speaking to, that's a transition for our sales force. And so we need to do a better job of enabling them to have those conversations. So I'm expecting over the next 2 quarters that we will really step up our game, in enabling them to have those conversations about What does it mean for a C level executive? What's the business impact to them? Speaker 300:31:07What initiative are they working on? What outcome are they looking for? And they have to have confident conversations. A line that I've used in my sales career is people don't buy because they're convinced, they buy because you're convinced. And we need to work on our conviction of being able to walk into a C suite and say, we can impact your organization and we have a low cost investment that is actually going to be able to do that. Speaker 300:31:32So I expect to see a lot of progress on that. We've got a Plan that we're working on with my leadership team to roll that out, and we'll be working on that throughout the rest of Q2 and into Q3, and hopefully be able to start having some impact on that later in the year, probably in the Q3, Q4 timeframe. So expecting some change from that Speaker 700:31:56Okay. And then in terms of the headcounts, where are the most of the cuts being done? Speaker 300:32:02Yes. It's a good question. This is Chris. So as you mentioned, the reduction is about 8% overall To better align our cost structure, right, with the outlook for the balance of the year, impacted areas are really materially across sales and consulting, Lesser degree, against the G and A and research, especially with regard to research though, it was a small number of roles we're limited there. We're certainly well resourced and committed to serve the needs of our clients. Speaker 300:32:31So we continue to have a robust research agenda and the coverage areas remain unchanged as we go forward here. As you don't really break out the numbers by functional area per se, About half of it, the restructuring was in sales. As you might recall from the last restructuring that we did back in January, for the beginning of the year, that's part of the plan. Nate had just started with the organization and so sales wasn't really affected at that time. So we wanted to give him some time to ramp And really do a thorough assessment. Speaker 300:33:02So that's what's reflected here in restructuring now. The restructuring, as we said, is largely in consulting with those changes focused on the realignment to selling fee package consulting offering alongside FD and then some streamlining of our content marketing business. And then from a location perspective, about 3 quarters of the restructuring was really in the U. S. And the rest of it was international. Speaker 700:33:29Okay. And in regards to the $40,000,000 in annual cost savings you're expecting, is that going to when is that going to Sorry. Speaker 300:33:39Yes, it starts pretty much immediately. As you can imagine, the majority of our savings are coming from labor. It's about $12,000,000 $14,000,000 and then the rest of it's coming out of rent and then a few other smaller buckets. Speaker 700:33:55Okay. Thank you. That was all for me. Speaker 200:33:57Thank you very much. Speaker 400:33:58Thank you. Operator00:33:59One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Vincent Colicchio of Barrington Research. Your line is open. Speaker 800:34:14Yes, George, I'm curious what portion of client losses do you think are clients that are not buying into the FDA vision? Speaker 600:34:28Vince, this is Carrie. Clients can still renew the old product this year. So I don't think that clients necessarily opting out. They do still have the option to renew the old. We talked earlier, some of our challenges more on the new business side. Speaker 800:34:48And Another question on the client losses. There's some sort of commonality. I know last quarter, I think you had a lot of small company clients that You lost. Is that still the case? Or is it more enterprise as well? Speaker 800:35:03And are there any verticals that are especially an issue? Speaker 200:35:07Yes. Again, Vince, continuing with small vendors, that those small vendors roll in on the tide and roll out on the tide, they're currently rolling out. So, and Forrester Distinctions is really it's a bit more expensive for those players and it's really designed for large user enterprises. And Nate, if you look at our go forward, Forrester is about CV And we're about calling higher and we're about more users, more user enterprises. So It's again to answer your question, it's mainly small vendors. Speaker 800:35:44And what are the company's thoughts on repurchasing stock given we don't expect the weakness ahead. Speaker 300:35:53Yes. So it's a good question, Vince. Our priorities are pretty much remain the same when it comes to use of cash and capital allocations. We invest in the business, being opportunistic, creating value around Looking at M and A opportunities and paying down debt. Right now, we are being just conservative and keeping powder dry As we go forward here, so we still have approximately $75,000,000 on the stock purchase authorization. Speaker 300:36:20That is still very much in place, but we are not contemplating any stock repurchases at this moment. Speaker 800:36:28And one for Nate. How would you say the morale is in the sales force? Has involuntary sorry, has voluntary attrition picked up? I know it's Tough environment out there, but just curious. Speaker 300:36:44Actually, the attrition has stayed pretty good. I think the sales force is Hungry to be able to be successful and looking to really figure out how they can be more successful. I think they're excited about the I think everybody is looking to build skills. Forrester, one of the things that really strikes me is we are a learning culture And so people love to learn, develop and grow. And we're going to bring that culture into the sales organization. Speaker 300:37:15And as they learn, develop and grow, They should be more successful and make more money. And I think we all know salespeople are very coin operated and they want to make more money. They want to be successful. So I think they're going to be all in on that. While it was a tough week for us this week, I think there are very bright roads ahead for this organization to be able to call higher and have impact and be successful. Speaker 300:37:40And coming out of this, they should have the opportunity to be more successful than they were coming in This week to be perfectly honest, while it's a very difficult day on some of this, the salespeople should earn more money coming out of this on the other side. Okay. Speaker 500:37:57Thank you. Speaker 200:37:59Thanks very much. Speaker 300:37:59Thanks. Operator00:38:12And I'm not showing any further questions I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks. Speaker 500:38:17Thank you all for joining us this evening. This is Tyson. Speaker 100:38:20Please reach out to the IR team, if you would like to have any follow-up conversations in the days weeks ahead. And I hope you all have a nice weekend. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Afternoon and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Forrester's First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:13I would now like to turn the conference over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Tyson Seeley. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:21Thank you, and hello, everyone. Thanks for joining today's call. Earlier this afternoon, we issued our press release for the Q1 of 2023. If you need a copy, You can find 1 on our website in the Investors section. Here with us today to discuss our results are George Colony, Forrester's Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Chris Finn, Chief Financial Officer and 8 Swan, Chief Sales Officer. Speaker 100:00:48Carrie Johnson, our Chief Product Officer is also here with us for the Q and A section of the call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this call will contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as expects, believes, Anticipates, intends, plans, estimates or similar expressions are intended to identify these forward looking statements. These statements are based on the company's current plans and expectations and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause future activities and results of operations to be materially different from those set forth in the forward looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed in our reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:50Lastly, consistent with our previous calls, today we will be discussing our performance on an adjusted basis, which excludes items affecting comparability. While reporting on an adjusted basis is not in accordance with GAAP, We believe that reporting numbers on an adjusted basis provides a meaningful comparison and an appropriate basis for our discussion. You can find a detailed list of items excluded from these adjusted results in our press release. And with that, I'll hand it over to George. Speaker 200:02:21Thank you, Tyson. I would like to welcome everyone to Forrester's 1st quarter investor call. As I noted in the 2022 Q4 presentation, The company is navigating through 2 challenges, an uncertain economy, particularly for technology and our product transition to Forrester decisions. These two factors are having a higher than expected impact on our business and we expect that they will persist through the remainder of the year and potentially into 2024. Accordingly, we announced a restructuring today that will downsize our headcount by 8% and we are issuing new guidance for 2023, which Chris will take you through in a few moments. Speaker 200:03:00Despite these challenges, we remain confident in where Forrester is going. Our strategy to drive customer obsessed growth for business and technology leaders is resonant with clients. We have a new product that delivers Proven high value to the large companies we serve, we have over 2,600 global clients and the brand remains well known and respected. Business and technology have never been more complex and fast moving. Our clients need Forrester's guidance and data more than ever as they seek to be increasingly digital and grapple with new technologies such as generative AI. Speaker 200:03:35Our team is prepared to weather this storm and get the company back on track to grow contract value. I would like to review a few key numbers from the Q1. In the Q1 of 2023, Revenue declined 9%, adjusted operating margins of 7% were down 4 points versus the prior year period and EPS was $0.27 a 40% decline from the prior year. Total contract value for the quarter was 347,000,000 and wallet retention declined 2 points quarter over quarter to 92%. Given our results, the natural question is what has changed since we last reported. Speaker 200:04:16And there are 2 factors I will call out. Number 1, since the last earnings call in February, the macroeconomic environment has worsened. In addition to the ongoing banking crisis, inflation continues to remain high and the uncertainty around the duration and depth of a potential recession has intensified. These conditions are affecting Forrester, our clients in the technology industry and our large user clients, in particular, Financial Services. If I had to summarize the environment, I would characterize it as a waiting game with budgets restricted and spending sitting on the sidelines. Speaker 200:04:53Over the last year, the technology sector has been one of the hardest hit. We saw initial rounds of layoffs in the back half of last year and they are continuing. Now this directly affects us, whether it's because a key contact has moved on, overall budgets are constrained or buying decisions are being delayed. The second factor is the transition of our research contract value over to Forrester decisions, an effort that does not come without pains. While this product has been well received, it is taking time to move our base to this new platform. Speaker 200:05:26As you will recall, 9 months ago, we made the decision to move faster on the transition based on high early adoption rates and positive client feedback. Accelerating the transition was the right decision to make even though it is causing the delay of some renewals. And this has been compounded by my first point, we're making a transition in a time of uncertainty. We are doing 2 hard things simultaneously. So let's spend a few minutes digging deeper into the transition. Speaker 200:05:58As a result of the decision to move faster, we're seeing a slowdown in our new business as well as longer sales cycles overall. Now this should be temporal. Under the leadership of Nate Swan, our Chief Sales Officer, We are enabling our sales force to call hiring companies and for salespeople to more precisely articulate the value of Forrester decisions. We're going to hear from Nate in a few moments. And given these challenges, why are we confident moving forward? Speaker 200:06:271st and foremost, we believe the Forrester decisions holds great promise in our effort to grow contract value at double digit rates. The metrics around the product continue to be strong and they are outpacing metrics for our legacy research products. At 87%, client retention for Forrester decisions is 13 points higher than our legacy products. Wallet retention for Forrester Decisions remains higher than our legacy product at 93%. Its 16 discrete services will drive cross sell. Speaker 200:06:58We believe wallet retention for Forrester decisions will ultimately run above 100%. Client engagement continues to outpace our legacy research. Clients spend 35% more time on the Forrester decisions platform. Client scoring of our guidance and inquiry sessions, these are essential features of the product, is averaging 6.6 on a 7.0 scale. And these are some of the highest client satisfaction scores we've had for any Forrester product. Speaker 200:07:28At the end of Q1, 44% of our CV has now moved over to Forrester Decisions. This is up 12 points from year end. We've made a good start in achieving our goal of moving 2 thirds of Seabee to Forrester Decisions by the end of the year. And a final note on Forrester Decisions, The total economic impact team at Forrester has recently completed a TEI study of the product. 46 current clients reported that Forrester Decisions has had 4 impacts on their businesses. Speaker 200:08:001, it increased the success rate of transformations by 25%. 2, it's speeding up transformations by 50%. 3, it increased the revenue stream for new products by 4% And 4, it saved executive time. Clients report a return on investment from Forrester decisions of 2 59%. This TEI study is available on the Forrester Investor portal. Speaker 200:08:29The second reason that we remain confident despite the economic moment is that we continue to stay on offense to improve our business. And these include: 1, moving our sales force and go to market from good to great by improving enablement, process and sales methodology. Nate will give more details shortly, but I wanted to report that he has been an excellent add to the team, especially given his deep prior experience in the research business. His plan for leveling up sales is simple, powerful and market proven. NIT has used our reduction in force to get a head start on building an optimized sales structure. Speaker 200:09:052, we are engaged in continuous innovation to improve Forrester decisions and add new features to the product. This includes beta testing 2 new research artifacts that will be operational by the end of the second quarter. And unsurprisingly, We are investigating how we could use generative AI to make it easier for clients to access our research and data. We see this technology as a game changer for our business, unlocking higher value for our clients without requiring human intervention. 3, as I noted above with sales, we are using the restructuring to optimize research and our functional teams to put us in the best position to get the highest return from Forrester decisions. Speaker 200:09:48These moves include improving the client onboarding process, sunsetting non critical products, Fine tuning marketing to drive the quality and quantity of leads and investing in better sales technology. We want to move faster and simplify the business and we are using the restructuring to do both. So in conclusion, we continue to expect 2023 to be a difficult year, not only for Forrester, but for the market and for the customers that we serve. Yet, we remain confident and we are pushing forward to build a CV growth engine that can generate double digit growth as it did in 2021. Even in recession, companies must see the future, make better decisions and execute if they're going to win, serve and retain their customers. Speaker 200:10:36Forrester helps them do just that. I would now like to hand the call over to Nate Swan, Forrester's Chief Sales Officer. And following Nate's remarks, Chris Finn will Speaker 300:10:44give a financial update and then we will take questions. Over to you, Nick. Thanks, George, and good afternoon, everyone. I look forward to sharing my learnings from my 1st few months at Forrester as well as the plans we've started to implement with the sales force and where I see us continuing to evolve and develop. Let me break this into 3 parts. Speaker 300:11:041st is a realignment of the sales team. 2nd is how we're changing the way our sales teams call on customers. And third is the people that will help enable and drive all of this. Starting first with our realignment. We are and have been taking actions to allow us to refine our go to market strategy and focus on high value Forrester decisions services that deliver tremendous outcomes for our customers. Speaker 300:11:31As part of this, we are laying the groundwork to create new vertical sales teams within the organization. In addition, we are creating dedicated leadership to service our regions, North America, Europe and APAC. We are also creating a dedicated new business role to focus on user and vendor opportunities. Finally, I've hired a senior government sales leader that will help us capture that opportunity. These changes will create efficiencies, better enablement and expertise within our teams. Speaker 300:12:01As George mentioned on last quarter's call, the company spent the first half of twenty twenty two aggressively hiring to drive CV. As the technology sector has continued to slow with multiple waves of layoffs, we have made the difficult decision to realign our sales force and cost structure with our expectations. These are obviously never easy decisions, but I'm confident we have the right team in place to deliver on our commitment. We've reduced quota bearing headcount by approximately 14% from 426 at the end of the Q1 to 365 today, which is where we were in 2021. This is better aligned with our go to market strategy of refocusing upmarket on technology providers and on the end users. Speaker 300:12:462nd, we are optimizing the way we call on our customers. What we've learned through the transition to Forrester decisions is that we need a new approach to enablement. We have a good sales team in place, but to take them and the organization to the next level, we need to enable them to sell higher into the C suite. This is where customer obsessed decisions are made and this is where our sales organization needs to pivot. We're early in the journey of enabling our salespeople to call on these personas and I expect we'll make good progress here this year. Speaker 300:13:16As a part of this, we've created a new sales center of excellence at our Cambridge, Massachusetts headquarters. While we will still recruit, develop and promote in markets around the U. S, we will emphasize hiring world class talent in and 2, the Greater Boston area. This will create a centralized location where our sales teams can come together to learn from our leaders as well as one another and grow into the sales team that we want to be. We have the facilities in Cambridge to support that growth and we know there's talent in that marketplace. Speaker 300:13:49Finally, it's our sales leadership team that will help usher Forrester into a new phase during this transition to Forrester decisions. As I mentioned previously, we are hiring new leads for geographies and other business verticals. A key hire that we made at the end of the Q1 was the new Head of Sales, Operations and Enablement. This person has many years of experience in the space and she has been through similar transitions. This new position will help tie everything I just mentioned together. Speaker 300:14:17She'll help to teach and enable the sales force to sell to the C suite, connect their priorities to great outcomes on customer obsession, simplify and measure how we're performing and build cross functional selling. We have work to do, but this is a key position that I'm very happy we've filled. Let me summarize with this. My first 100 days here have been filled with change and opportunity. I remain confident in the value the sales team can drive for this organization and what Forrester decisions can bring to our clients and future clients. Speaker 300:14:49With the team we have in place and the positions we are building out, I have full confidence in achieving 2 thirds of CV on Forrester decisions by the end of the year, setting the company up for strong growth in the years ahead. I look forward to continuing to meet with all of you and sharing my thoughts and progress. Let me now hand it over to Chris to go over financials. Chris? Speaker 400:15:09Thanks, Nate, and good afternoon, everyone. George and Nate have covered a great deal already. Today, I'd like to provide you with a detailed overview of our Q1 results, Additional details on the cost reductions that we announced today and our updated guidance. Forrester is going through a major product transition during difficult economic times. Our financial performance this quarter fell short of what we expected and our outlook for the year has softened based on our Q1 performance and increasingly difficult macroeconomic environment that we are facing. Speaker 400:15:39With that, today we announced a restructuring plan that not only aligns our cost structure with our revised revenue outlook, but as noted by Nate earlier in his remarks, better aligns our organization to more efficiently go to market while creating a foundation for CV growth and margin expansion in the future. Let me now get into a detailed overview of our Q1 results. Revenue in the Q1 $113,700,000 representing a decline of 9% year over year. Total contract value for the quarter was $347,000,000 flat to last year and wallet retention declined 2 points quarter over quarter to 92%. Regarding Forrester decisions, Client retention was 87% and wallet retention came in at 93% for the quarter, both down from prior quarter, but still outperforming the overall portfolio metrics. Speaker 400:16:29As discussed last quarter, as we continue our migration efforts, we expect overall wallet retention to be a bit lumpy, but ultimately to be consistently above 100% once we are fully through the product migration. We continue to make progress on our migration efforts with Farris' decisions now at 44% of our total CV exiting the Q1, up 12 points from when we last reported. Now for a deeper dive by revenue line. Research revenue came in at $80,900,000 for the quarter, a decrease of 6% compared to the same period in 2022. This performance was impacted by flat growth in CV With revenue from our subscription research products growing 2%, offset by a decline in our reprint product and our other smaller and discontinued products. Speaker 400:17:17Our CV performance was affected by both a decrease in wallet retention, which declined 11 points year over year, which was primarily due to lower enrichment as our dollar retention was steady and a decline in new business growth. Client retention and client count were also both down from Q1 last year. However, as I mentioned previously, The metrics for how far as the decisions continue to perform above the overall portfolio numbers that we are reporting. Our consulting business posted revenues $31,800,000 in the Q1, a decline of 17%. These declines were largely driven by macro environment impacts, given everything we've mentioned previously, coupled with the ongoing focus on CV during this time frame. Speaker 400:17:59As part of our We are shifting away from exclusively selling custom consulting to developing prepackaged offerings that can be sold specifically with Forrester Decisions, alongside our existing custom consulting. We expect this change to lead to improved product performance, client engagement and retention of Forrester decisions. We continue to take action to organize around what our clients need and to better serve them. And finally, in terms of our events business, We had minimal revenue in the Q1 as we did not hold any events during the period. Let me continue down the P and L on an adjusted basis. Speaker 400:18:36Operating expenses for the Q1 decreased by 5%, driven by lower compensation costs, professional services, billable fees and rent. Largely driven by the lower growth on the top line, operating income declined by 43% to $7,500,000 or 6.6 percent of revenue in the current quarter, compared to $13,100,000 or 10.5 percent of revenue in the Q1 of 2022. Interest expense for the quarter was minimally higher at $800,000 as compared to $600,000 in the Q1 of 2022. Finally, net income decreased 40 percent to $5,100,000 compared to $8,600,000 in the previous year's period. Earnings per share decreased 40% to $0.27 compared to $0.45 in the year ago quarter. Speaker 400:19:24Looking at our capital structure, our first quarter cash flow from operating activities was $12,300,000 and capital expenditure was $1,600,000 We paid down $15,000,000 of debt during the quarter, leaving us with $35,000,000 of outstanding debt. We did not repurchase any shares in the quarter, leaving us with approximately $75,000,000 of our stock repurchase authorization intact. And we exited the quarter with $121,000,000 of cash and investments on hand. As we've discussed today, we have taken actions to better align our cost structure with our revenue forecast and to refine our organization to drive CV growth more efficiently and effectively. As was noted earlier, we've made changes that will improve our focus on selling to vertical markets, New business growth and selling high in the organization, along with building out a world class sales center of excellence at our Cambridge headquarters to train and enable our sales force. Speaker 400:20:20I'll now provide some additional details regarding the restructuring. We have reduced our workforce by approximately 8% along with reducing our lease footprint by closing 3 U. S. And 1 international location. In an age of hybrid work, we're moving toward larger office hubs that will be our centers for in person collaboration, We expect to incur approximately $10,000,000 to $11,000,000 of costs for these actions, including approximately $2,000,000 of non cash charges, and we expect our structural cost savings, net of reinvestment, to be approximately $14,000,000 on an annualized basis. Speaker 400:20:56In terms of guidance for the full year, the reduction in cost allows us to essentially maintain our margin range for 2023, while at the same time setting us up for margin expansion once revenue growth returns. Revenue is now expected to be in the range of $475,000,000 to $495,000,000 This guidance assumes a mid to high single digit decline in our research business, a decline in our consulting business in the high teens and a low single digit decline in the Events business for the year. Operating margins are now expected to be in the range of 11.5% to 12.5%. Interest expense is expected to be approximately $3,000,000 for the year, and we are continuing to guide for a full year tax rate of approximately 29%. Taking all of this into account, earnings per share is now expected to be in the range of $2 to $2.20 We firmly believe we have the right strategy in place. Speaker 400:21:48You've heard from Nate, who has taken large steps in his 1st 100 days, and you've heard from George and myself regarding actions we've taken over the last 2 months to better align our cost structure with our expectations. As we've outlined, our focus on CV and on our transition to Forrester decisions continues, albeit with a challenging macroeconomic backdrop. But we're making progress against our goals. Forrester decisions continues to grow as a percentage of CV, our key retention metrics continue to be better than the And most importantly, client feedback remains strong. We've made difficult decisions in the past few months, We've taken those actions in an effort to improve our performance and better prepare Forrester for what's ahead. Speaker 400:22:31Thank you all for taking the time today. Let me now hand it over to George for some concluding remarks before we get into Q and A. Speaker 200:22:38Thank you, Chris. While the Q1 played out differently than we had expected, We have taken actions to position the company to return to growth. Our restructuring aligns expenses with expected revenue. Under Nate's leadership, we are taking sales from good to great. And we continue to push forward to transition our clients to our power research platform, Forrester Decisions. Speaker 200:23:03In Forrester's 40 years in business, it has weathered a number of challenging economies and technology changes. We emerged from all those moments as a stronger company. Through the agility and creativity of Forrester's people, we will move forward to resume growing research contract value. With that, I'm going to hand the call back to the operator and we will take questions. Operator00:23:50Our first question comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Your line is open. Speaker 500:23:55Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. George, I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks or you kind of laid out the 2 major areas where things have changed Since last quarter, totally understand the macro environment, but I wanted to ask about maybe what's gotten worse on the FD Transition versus a couple of months back, it seems like your expectation is still to reach 2 thirds of CV growth by the end of this year. So is it just taking longer than expected? Is there more attrition than you had expected on the legacy business? Speaker 500:24:31Just trying to get a little bit more color on what on that piece of what's changed. Speaker 200:24:39Yes. I mean, look, this transition is not going to flow in a predictable way quarter to quarter, Andrew. And early results were good. Results are still very good. We're renewing at higher rates, etcetera. Speaker 200:24:53But it's just lumpiness on this. And that's just what's happening. And I think new business is also a factor here. We're not moving as quickly With Forrester's decision to new business, Nate is doing a lot of work here to rebuild the new business team and that's going to help. But Again, this is not going to be easily predictable. Speaker 200:25:17It will be lumpy quarter by quarter. As it was. Speaker 500:25:21Understood. And then do you think like does the higher ticket price on FD have anything to do with it? Or is it just more about And budget freezes in general? Speaker 200:25:33I think look, this is not compared to large consulting contracts, This is not a high priced product, but it is definitely 20% up from the legacy products. So there's a little bit of hesitancy there. But it is it's primarily clients Holding on to, clinging on to the old, even the serious decisions of the Fortune legacy products. And it's just taking time to move them to the new model and to help them understand the new model. And by the way, the new model is a much higher value product than either of those 2 old legacy products. Speaker 200:26:14So that's any other insight here, Carrie, on this? Speaker 600:26:19No, I think you said it right. In terms of turning the new business team toward a different buyer, for sure, with a new value proposition, more so even than the price point, I would say. At the new Forrester, like George said, we're excited about what this can do and know that we'll get to our goals by the end of this year. Speaker 200:26:44Thank you. Yes, Andrew, there's a little bit of So for large tech companies, this is we are now going to market with them 2 ways. FMI is to help them with their go to market, but Forged Your Decision is helping the CMO, the CIO, the Head of Sales, etcetera in new ways which we've really never worked with them before. So this is a it's a new motion with the vendors and that's taking time We have to understand that and to understand and accept that. So that's also slowing us down a little bit. Speaker 500:27:19Got it. No, that's all very helpful. And then for my follow-up question, I wanted to ask On the consulting side, I think, you mentioned shifting away from custom consulting, Doing a little bit more in terms of packaged consulting. Can you spend a little bit more time talking about that shift? And Is that the primary driver of the lower revenue expectation in consulting or is it macro related? Speaker 500:27:48Thank you. Speaker 600:27:50Sure. This is Carrie. I would say, it's twofold. We have, in the The last few quarters seen slowing demand, separate of the packaged consulting move that Chris mentioned, both in our strategy And in our content marketing businesses, this is a tough compare by the way to 2021 and even into the first half of twenty twenty two. So that's largely the macroeconomic conditions. Speaker 600:28:19And while consulting is a critical part of our business, Our sales force really is laser focused on growing CV, and we believe that this rightsizing consulting of the consulting that we talked about today as part of our restructuring, plus a move to these prepackaged consulting that's really more tied to Forrester decisions and the outcomes of our clients as it relates to that, we really think that will help both drive some of the consulting business moving forward, but CV as well and frankly more profitably. Operator00:28:52Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Andres Soderstrom with Sidoti. Your line is open. Speaker 700:29:09Hi, thank you for taking my questions. So how much do you think These headwinds are due to macro environment compared to just the internal transition to the Forrester decision? Speaker 200:29:24A question we ask ourselves all the time actually. I'd say fifty-fifty in that range, looking around the room, your heads are nodding. It's probably going to tap us half the environment. Speaker 700:29:41Okay. And how can you just talk a little bit more in-depth on how you're changing the go to market and how you are Reaching this other C suite with the sales force you have? Speaker 300:29:56Yes, absolutely. Great question. So I recently brought in this is Nate speaking by the way. I recently brought in a new Head of Operations and Enablement and really excited about for joining the team. We are going to be very focused on enabling the team to call higher in the organization. Speaker 300:30:15Traditionally, with our legacy products, we did not need to get to the C suite. We really believe that, that is where the value of this The product is and not only where the value is, where there's a lot more money for us to expand because once you get to that level, You will then have additional opportunities with team seats and other follow on engagements, whether it's Additional seats or consulting engagements to prepackaged engagements that Carrie was speaking to, that's a transition for our sales force. And so we need to do a better job of enabling them to have those conversations. So I'm expecting over the next 2 quarters that we will really step up our game, in enabling them to have those conversations about What does it mean for a C level executive? What's the business impact to them? Speaker 300:31:07What initiative are they working on? What outcome are they looking for? And they have to have confident conversations. A line that I've used in my sales career is people don't buy because they're convinced, they buy because you're convinced. And we need to work on our conviction of being able to walk into a C suite and say, we can impact your organization and we have a low cost investment that is actually going to be able to do that. Speaker 300:31:32So I expect to see a lot of progress on that. We've got a Plan that we're working on with my leadership team to roll that out, and we'll be working on that throughout the rest of Q2 and into Q3, and hopefully be able to start having some impact on that later in the year, probably in the Q3, Q4 timeframe. So expecting some change from that Speaker 700:31:56Okay. And then in terms of the headcounts, where are the most of the cuts being done? Speaker 300:32:02Yes. It's a good question. This is Chris. So as you mentioned, the reduction is about 8% overall To better align our cost structure, right, with the outlook for the balance of the year, impacted areas are really materially across sales and consulting, Lesser degree, against the G and A and research, especially with regard to research though, it was a small number of roles we're limited there. We're certainly well resourced and committed to serve the needs of our clients. Speaker 300:32:31So we continue to have a robust research agenda and the coverage areas remain unchanged as we go forward here. As you don't really break out the numbers by functional area per se, About half of it, the restructuring was in sales. As you might recall from the last restructuring that we did back in January, for the beginning of the year, that's part of the plan. Nate had just started with the organization and so sales wasn't really affected at that time. So we wanted to give him some time to ramp And really do a thorough assessment. Speaker 300:33:02So that's what's reflected here in restructuring now. The restructuring, as we said, is largely in consulting with those changes focused on the realignment to selling fee package consulting offering alongside FD and then some streamlining of our content marketing business. And then from a location perspective, about 3 quarters of the restructuring was really in the U. S. And the rest of it was international. Speaker 700:33:29Okay. And in regards to the $40,000,000 in annual cost savings you're expecting, is that going to when is that going to Sorry. Speaker 300:33:39Yes, it starts pretty much immediately. As you can imagine, the majority of our savings are coming from labor. It's about $12,000,000 $14,000,000 and then the rest of it's coming out of rent and then a few other smaller buckets. Speaker 700:33:55Okay. Thank you. That was all for me. Speaker 200:33:57Thank you very much. Speaker 400:33:58Thank you. Operator00:33:59One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Vincent Colicchio of Barrington Research. Your line is open. Speaker 800:34:14Yes, George, I'm curious what portion of client losses do you think are clients that are not buying into the FDA vision? Speaker 600:34:28Vince, this is Carrie. Clients can still renew the old product this year. So I don't think that clients necessarily opting out. They do still have the option to renew the old. We talked earlier, some of our challenges more on the new business side. Speaker 800:34:48And Another question on the client losses. There's some sort of commonality. I know last quarter, I think you had a lot of small company clients that You lost. Is that still the case? Or is it more enterprise as well? Speaker 800:35:03And are there any verticals that are especially an issue? Speaker 200:35:07Yes. Again, Vince, continuing with small vendors, that those small vendors roll in on the tide and roll out on the tide, they're currently rolling out. So, and Forrester Distinctions is really it's a bit more expensive for those players and it's really designed for large user enterprises. And Nate, if you look at our go forward, Forrester is about CV And we're about calling higher and we're about more users, more user enterprises. So It's again to answer your question, it's mainly small vendors. Speaker 800:35:44And what are the company's thoughts on repurchasing stock given we don't expect the weakness ahead. Speaker 300:35:53Yes. So it's a good question, Vince. Our priorities are pretty much remain the same when it comes to use of cash and capital allocations. We invest in the business, being opportunistic, creating value around Looking at M and A opportunities and paying down debt. Right now, we are being just conservative and keeping powder dry As we go forward here, so we still have approximately $75,000,000 on the stock purchase authorization. Speaker 300:36:20That is still very much in place, but we are not contemplating any stock repurchases at this moment. Speaker 800:36:28And one for Nate. How would you say the morale is in the sales force? Has involuntary sorry, has voluntary attrition picked up? I know it's Tough environment out there, but just curious. Speaker 300:36:44Actually, the attrition has stayed pretty good. I think the sales force is Hungry to be able to be successful and looking to really figure out how they can be more successful. I think they're excited about the I think everybody is looking to build skills. Forrester, one of the things that really strikes me is we are a learning culture And so people love to learn, develop and grow. And we're going to bring that culture into the sales organization. Speaker 300:37:15And as they learn, develop and grow, They should be more successful and make more money. And I think we all know salespeople are very coin operated and they want to make more money. They want to be successful. So I think they're going to be all in on that. While it was a tough week for us this week, I think there are very bright roads ahead for this organization to be able to call higher and have impact and be successful. Speaker 300:37:40And coming out of this, they should have the opportunity to be more successful than they were coming in This week to be perfectly honest, while it's a very difficult day on some of this, the salespeople should earn more money coming out of this on the other side. Okay. Speaker 500:37:57Thank you. Speaker 200:37:59Thanks very much. Speaker 300:37:59Thanks. Operator00:38:12And I'm not showing any further questions I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks. Speaker 500:38:17Thank you all for joining us this evening. This is Tyson. Speaker 100:38:20Please reach out to the IR team, if you would like to have any follow-up conversations in the days weeks ahead. And I hope you all have a nice weekend. Thank you. Speaker 200:38:28Thank you. Operator00:38:30Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by