Limbach Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 9, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Lindbach First Quarter 2023 Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session for analysts and instructions will be provided at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Jeremy Hellman of The Equity Group.

Operator

Jeremy, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone. Yesterday, Limbach Holdings announced its Q1 2023 results and filed its encourages investors to review the presentation in its entirety. During this call, the company will be reviewing those results and providing an update on current market conditions. Today's discussion may contain forward looking statements and actual results may differ from any forecasts, projections or similar statements made during the earnings call. Listeners are reminded to review the company's annual report on Form 10 ks and quarterly reports on Form 10 Q for risk factors that may cause the actual results to differ from forward looking statements made during the earnings call.

Speaker 1

Also, please note that during the question and answer session at the end of the call, we will only be taking questions from our analysts. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike McCann, Chief Executive Officer of Limbach Holdings. Please go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Welcome, everyone, and thanks for joining us. Joining me this morning is Jamie Brooks, our Chief Financial Officer. 2023 is off to a solid start with adjusted EBITDA pacing well ahead of the Q1 last year and also the year before that. Top line revenue was up modestly year over year, while gross margin continued to expand, Driving the bottom line expansion.

Speaker 2

Our local teams continue to provide best in class services, while always living our values. On the whole, market conditions remain much as the same when we spoke to you 2 months ago. And we continue to focus on managing the business, expanding First of these is segment mix. We continue to push towards a greater proportion of our revenue coming from our higher margin ODR segment. And if successful in doing so, we expect gross margin continue to improve in the long run.

Speaker 2

Our results during the recent periods have proven that we can grow our bottom line while our total revenue remains relatively Even with modestly declining revenue in the GCR segment, in our updated investor presentation, we have a new slide number 9, which shows this visually. However, we certainly to grow our top line going forward as our higher growth ODR segment outpaces the contraction in our GCR segment. For example, our Q1 revenue was up from the prior year And the midpoint of our guidance would also represent year over year growth. The second of our three pillars is gross margin, which is an mix as noted and also how we price and execute work in each segment. During the Q1, both of our segments continue to perform well, leading to gross margin expansion.

Speaker 2

Within the GCR segment, we continue to focus on improving project execution and securing high margin work. As a result of our revenue mix continuing to evolve to a greater ODR concentration, we are able to be very selective in the GCR work we take on. In certain instances as a result of our strategic shift, building owners are extracting our general contractor customers of their desire to use Limbach. Within the ODR We are focused on changing our relationships from reactive to proactive. We're not only trying to maximize margin opportunity, but also realize we must provide long term value in order to Slide 8 in our investor presentation demonstrates how we expect to drive further margin improvement.

Speaker 2

Our 3rd pillar is scaling through acquisitions, as shown on Slide 11 and 12. We continue to diligently work this front and we believe our opportunity pipeline is robust. Our acquisition strategy is important both from a top line revenue growth as well as improved earnings. Relative to when we spoke with you a couple of months ago, market It remains at a similar level and as always, we remain selective. It is absolutely paramount that any business we add to our family be a cultural fit, while also meeting our operational, Financial and strategic requirements, such as targeted geographic expansion and or strategic tuck in with existing operations.

Speaker 2

Our strategy is focused on gaining market share, while working collaboratively with the proposed acquisition to unlock maximum value. I'll now pass it off to Jamie to provide some financial highlights and then I'll return with a few final comments before we take your questions. Jamie?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mike. Our press release and Form 10 Q, which were filed yesterday, provide extensive details of our financials, so I will focus on some key highlights. Focusing on the income statement. During the Q1, the ODR segment accounted for 48.5% of total consolidated revenue. That compares with 44.6 percent in the Q4 of 2022 and 43.6 For the full year 2022.

Speaker 3

So we are continuing to make good progress towards reaching the fifty-fifty revenue split milestone with the long term goal of our ODR segment contributing 70% or more to total consolidated revenue. Consolidated gross margin during the Q1 was 21.7% as a result of both the increasing contribution from our While ODR was 27.1%. So again, in our view, very good performance in both segments. Also to expand on Mike's comments regarding GCR margins, a year ago, we were talking about GCR gross margin in the 11% to 12% range and we increased that to 12% to 15%. This is a result of continuing to not only focus on execution, but also the selection of projects.

Speaker 3

As a result, we expect to see margins fluctuate quarter to quarter depending on the timing of those newer projects, as we have a mix of new higher margin projects and older lower margin projects in backlog. SG and A expense in the Q1 was $21,100,000 up from $18,700,000 in the year ago period. The $2,300,000 increase included approximately $811,000 of costs related to the CEO transition and 5 $134,000 increase in stock based compensation expense, primarily due to an increase in the grant date stock price year over year. On our last call, we noted that 2023 full year SG and A should have a similar run rate as a percentage of total revenue to 2022, and we continue to expect that to be the case. Also consistent with the prior year, we currently expect that our revenue in the second The year to be stronger than in the first half, which will cause SG and A expense to be higher as a percentage of revenue in the first half of the year.

Speaker 3

Turning to cash flow. Solid execution in working capital management during the Q1 contributed to operating cash flow of 9,400,000 Changes in working capital accounts had a positive impact of $1,800,000 on the operating cash flow. Accounts receivable provided cash of $24,600,000 as a result of the decrease in AR from December 31. This included collecting $10,000,000 from the claims settlement we talked about on last quarter's earnings call, and it was great to see that coming during the Q1. Offsetting the increase was cash used in accounts payable of $14,900,000 and accrued expenses of $3,200,000 which included payment of the 2022 accrued incentive compensation.

Speaker 3

The remaining $7,600,000 of operating cash So with the non working capital component. As we have noted previously, our free cash flow can be calculated by taking this figure and then subtracting CapEx, which totaled $923,000 in the quarter. That leaves free cash flow at approximately $6,600,000 or around 77% of our adjusted EBITDA. So cash conversion for the quarter came in better than our 70% annual target level. The primary use of cash We generate continues to be reduction of debt.

Speaker 3

We paid down $1,900,000 of our term debt during the quarter and at the quarter end, we had a cash balance of $41,400,000 and term debt of $19,600,000 Additionally, the end of April, we paid down an additional $9,600,000 of our term debt. That left an outstanding term debt balance at April 30 of $10,000,000 Our balance sheet is strong and the business is expected to continue to yield free cash flow. Subsequent to our We also negotiated an amendment to our existing credit agreement with Wintrust. The new amendment extinguished our term debt and expanded $25,000,000 revolver to $50,000,000 So coupled with our free cash flow, we believe we have ample capital to pursue our acquisition program without needing to turn to equity financing. Lastly, we have had a few inquiries regarding the remaining $15 Sponsor warrants and the 12.50 merger warrants.

Speaker 3

As of May 5, approximately 160,000 warrants have been exercised, all on a cashless basis for approximately a net share issuance of 26,000 shares. As a reminder, both of the remaining tranches of warrants expire in July of 2023. I'll now hand the call back to Mike.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jamie. As noted in our press release, we are reiterating our financial guidance 2023, which consists of total revenue for the year in the range of $490,000,000 to $520,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA in a range of $33,000,000 to $37,000,000 We are also currently continuing to expect second half results to exceed the first Jamie highlighted, which would guide us to the upper end of the range. As I noted at the onset, industry conditions are much the same as when they were when we spoke 2 months ago. That said, we know conditions will always change, but our focus is on gauging customers whose systems are mission critical and have needs regardless of the macroeconomic environment. In these type of buildings and customers, the owners can defer large capital expenditures, but they can't avoid immediate repairs.

Speaker 2

This will allow us to flex between repairs of existing equipment and infrastructure upgrades. When supply chain demand eases, There'll be an opportunity for many building owners to execute their infrastructure upgrades and we believe Limbach will be well positioned to capitalize. In many cases, building owners are looking to reduce their operating costs and improve the energy efficiency of their buildings, but they need equipment to be readily available in order to execute their plans. In the meantime, we are still able to provide them on demand services and continually monitor and repair their older equipment. In short, we are intensely focused on executing our strategy, which combines a disciplined approach with engineering solutions and craft expertise.

Speaker 2

By delivering value to our customers from front end solutions to timely quality work in the field, we cement ourselves as an indispensable partner. Taking that approach to the market will be a focus on mission critical building assets is something we are confident we will win in our end market verticals. As we do this, we expect to earn a return of assets commensurate with the value we are providing. In some ways, this represents a new way of thinking in our industry. We are excited to be at the forefront of this metamorphosis.

Speaker 2

With that operator, please open the Q and A session.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session for analysts. Your first question comes from Rob Brown of Lake Street Capital.

Speaker 4

Good morning and congratulations on all the progress.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thank you, Rob.

Speaker 5

Just wanted

Speaker 4

The strong results, it's been good, but what's the demand environment and sort of visibility like?

Speaker 2

Yes, Rob. The demand environment is still really And I think one of the things that we're really focused on and I mentioned this is, we want to make sure that our customers have mission critical systems. And if you kind of look at the vertical markets that we're in, sometimes each one of these vertical markets will shift towards short term repair work versus long term capital expenditures. And right now we have a diverse enough group of vertical markets that each one of them is operating a little bit differently, But they all have demand. The question is the demand short term or long term.

Speaker 2

And just as a couple of examples of this, healthcare Still high demand, but more of a quicker turn. The data center, mission critical market, they're investing in long term capital expenditures. It's maybe hedged a little bit towards that direction. From a manufacturing standpoint, a lot of it is customer dependent, Whether they're short term or long term, but we're well positioned because those customers are mission critical and because we've positioned ourselves. Then lastly, if you look at Higher Ed and Life Science, on Higher Ed, we typically work for if we're working for a university, it's going to be Lab style work and that market has kind of changed a little bit, but the demand is still there.

Speaker 2

It's gone from maybe less of a core and shell to a fit out spec lab and it's also kind of tailored. So the biggest thing is our teams are really focused on working for mission critical Customers that have equipment that can't go down and we always use this example internally. If they have a call on Saturday and the equipment goes down at 3 o'clock, if they can wait till Monday or And they're not mission critical. So we use that as a simple guide, but demand is still really strong.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thank you for all the color there. And then on the M and A effort, you talked quite a bit about some of the parameters there. But how does that pipeline look? What are you sort of looking for more near term there and what's The pipeline

Speaker 2

is really strong. We really refocused probably 6 or 9 months ago. And think the most important thing is we want to make sure that the acquisitions are a cultural fit, number 1. And number 2 is they kind of fit into the mold of the rest The branches and we have Jake we completed Jake Marshall I think about 16 months ago and we've kind of dialed into 2 different types of acquisitions. The first type is A new geography, which we have a lot of footprint right now that we a lot of opportunity from that standpoint.

Speaker 2

And then the second type that we've also been Focused on is tuck in location. So is there a tuck in acquisition adjacent to an existing Business that we have that we can add market share. So we're really looking at those 2 different types. We've also been very patient too. We're asking a lot And we want to make sure that we really call through them and make sure they're going to be a fit.

Operator

Your next question comes from Chip Moore of E. F. Hutton. Chip, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning and congrats on the good start to the year as well. Good morning. Good morning. Hey, Jamie. I wanted to ask about The ODR path, I think you talked about 70% longer term.

Speaker 5

You've obviously gotten closer to 50% quicker than most people thought. I guess you covered acquisitions, but maybe more on the organic investment side, what you can do there and how that helps that path?

Speaker 2

Yes. And you're right. It's a combination of acquisitions plus organic. But from an organic side, and I think I've mentioned this a path, but I just want to reinforce this. We have gained a ton of customers in the last 4 or 5 years.

Speaker 2

Our customer count well over 1200. And at this point, we're really looking to make sure that we pick the right relationships and just we have a kind of a criteria. Again, is the equipment mission critical? Is there availability for long term spend? And basically, we're really focusing our locations is pick your top 10 customers.

Speaker 2

Make sure your top 10 customers fits the attributes that we're looking for and then focus resources on them. And we have So many customers that you can't provide a high level of service and provide that value that we want to provide and we're really focusing The top 10 per location, that's still a tremendous amount of customers if you add up all our locations. And the other thing too that I've I was visiting a bunch of customers last 4 or 5 weeks and it's interesting, we have a lot of and I talked about this a little bit in the script, but We're trying to change our relationships from reactive to proactive. And just as an example of that, we could be doing reactive calls for a customer for 6 or 9 months, The data that you've received from the customer, the spend that you've said, meet with that customer, sit with them and co author more of a long term plan with them. That's where we're really going to be able to embed ourselves and that's where we're really going to be able to grow this owner direct side of it even more than we are.

Speaker 2

And I think there's not only from a revenue side, but also from a margin. So just to kind of summarize, it's really focusing our customer list, listening to them And making sure that it's just not a reactive that it's co authoring a long term spend plan. So it's a number of different factors. We're really super focused on it. All of our sales and marketing efforts are really focused around owner direct and We're getting there, but we also have a long way to go too.

Speaker 5

Awesome. Thanks for that color. Appreciate it, Mike. And maybe if I could ask one more on more sort of near term Margin mix and backlog at the GCR side with the outperformance in Q1 and obviously the stronger outlook in the second half, Just anything to take in mind on project activity near term. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. No problem. So from a GCR margin perspective, There's a bunch of different factors that have really helped us. But as we've we're going to approach fifty-fifty and beyond, it allows us We're really selective from a GCR perspective. So being selective allows us to really raise our margin.

Speaker 2

The second piece of it is We are getting a position now where the owner is recommending that they use Limbach. It puts us in a different position going forward. So the From a margin perspective, we still think there's opportunity there, but really the strategy fits really importantly into the margin. And I would add Our teams continue to execute really well and all the risk management process that we put in place combined with the fact That our strategy really emphasizes the fact that we're trying to be selective. We're trying to focus on building owners.

Speaker 2

And there are The needs where they have to have us and when they have to have us, obviously it changes our value proposition and changes the way that we can Approach from a margin perspective as well too.

Speaker 5

Fantastic. Okay. Thanks again.

Operator

Your next question comes from Gerry Sweeney of ROTH Capital. Gerry, your line is open.

Speaker 6

Good morning, Jamie and Mike. Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Jerry.

Speaker 6

I wanted to circle back ODR. Mike, you'd mentioned proactive, reactive and really a couple of questions around just ODR as a segment, right? I think even in the presentation, I highlighted opportunities about getting data driven subscription and that Those offerings, I would assume, help you to become more proactive. So the questions are really, what exactly do you need to More proactive and then secondarily, I'm just curious about just assets on the ground, including do you need more sales, how's your equipment utilization, do have enough to support growth or should we be

Speaker 5

how do we look at that on

Speaker 6

a go forward basis as well?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, you're right. The relationship always allows us to get in front of customers, but the second part of it is we have to in order to maintain the relationship and grow We have to provide value. So just from a data and I would also kind of caveat that to an information perspective. We'll perform work for a customer and we'll compile service tickets, equipment history, asset history.

Speaker 2

That's one side Information that we're trying to make sure that we translate into more of a long term plan. Also from a building automation some and analytics platform perspective, that's another avenue that we can provide information and data. And I would tell you that What we're really focused on internally is making sure it's simplified as possible. It's the simplest thing is if I've gone out to that piece of equipment For 2 years, are you providing that customer feedback on how that equipment has performed? Or you just continue to repair that equipment?

Speaker 2

That's a question We've really challenged our teams. And that kind of plays into the discussion of, okay, are you is the customer to the point where they Trust us, well, they'll give us the data even from a utility spend perspective. So, we have a long way to go in that perspective, But allowing us to position ourselves to gather that data is really the spot that we're in right now. Just from an asset perspective, internally we're really focused on switching from new business development to account managers. And I think the other big piece going forward too as we continue to talk to different people from a customer perspective even further up the chain is More of return on investment.

Speaker 2

That's a question that we are getting asked more and more, and we want to make sure that our teams and our account managers Are well positioned to make sure that they can answer those questions. So I think it is the most simplistic perspective. It's we've gone from new business development to account managers And a lot of those assets we have internally, we always look externally to figure out if there's a key hire I mean, our primary focus is promoting from within. We also are sprinkling in some talented account managers So just as a shift from new business to extracting as much as we can and really cementing ourselves with these customers.

Speaker 6

I mean, at the end of

Speaker 2

the day, it sounds like we're still I

Speaker 6

mean, you've had great growth on ODR, but we're still sort of even in the early innings Of the growth potential here. So lots of runway. It sounds even within your sort of existing customer base or your customer base that you have some type of contact Is that sort of a fair assessment?

Speaker 2

Yes, I completely agree. We have and I think that kind of is a good right now we have good foundation going forward. But understanding our customers, focusing on them, making sure that we are putting our staff in position to meet those needs. And I think to your prior question, even from a data and information perspective, we're still trying to get to that point where they're trusting us to give that data And that we can gather the data and then analyze it and provide us solutions back. And that's ultimately where we're able to kind of modify our offerings going forward.

Speaker 2

But yes, we're still really in the early innings. And I think as we continue to shift our mix, it's just going to continue to put us in a position from a foundation perspective. Who do

Speaker 6

you compete against on the ODR side when you're doing some of this business or even the account management Are you competing against another entity or is this even a game shift for your customers sort of

Speaker 2

I would say it's primarily they have a provider. Every once in a while we'll have a customer It's lacking, but I would say the majority of the time there's a provider because again they have systems that need to be serviced and maintained and Upgrades need to happen and that's kind of when our checkbox and whether that customer is the right customer for us. So typically they have. Now is that provider Giving them the quality services and the focus, well, that's really where I think traditionally that we come in. We've got a slide in the investor deck that kind of touches upon this and it's kind of this pie chart.

Speaker 2

And each one of these relationships that we're going into have a different may have a different provider. And the other thing I would tell you too is sometimes we'll be on a campus for a customer And we are embedded in them, but they'll still use another couple, 2 or 3 different people. And there's still an opportunity even on an existing customer to pick up market share. So A lot of times it will be just the local contractor. It could be some of our some of the other mechanical publicly From an OEM perspective, Siemens, Trane Johnson, sometimes we buy equipment and controls for them, but there's also they do compete and provide those services directly.

Speaker 2

It could be an engineering firm. And again, we look at it this way when we're talking to our customers. We can provide engineering solutions as well, but we can install the work as well too. And then occasionally from a property manager perspective. So It's very situational and our teams are really focused on making sure that even if we're in with Sometimes there'll still be another provider or 2 and there's more market share to be had with the customer as well too.

Speaker 2

So most of the time There is a provider. It's a matter of us positioning ourselves and if we're competing, we want to make sure that our value proposition is solid compared to One of the providers that may be there.

Speaker 6

Got it. Super helpful. And I'll jump back in line and congrats. A really nice quarter and

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions. I would now like to turn the call over to the management team for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you everyone for your continued interest in Limbach. If you have any additional questions, please reach out to the Equity Group. Looking forward to speaking again in August And all the best. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's presentation. Thank you everyone for

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