Ormat Technologies Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 10, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Ormat Technologies First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Alex Steinberg with Alpha IR.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Hosting the call today are Duran Bashar, Chief Executive Officer Ozzie Ginsberg, Chief Financial Officer and Smadar Ovi, Vice President of Investor Relations and ESG Planning and Reporting. Before beginning, we would like to remind you that the information provided during this call may contain forward looking statements relating to current expectations, Estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are forward looking as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based on management's current estimates and projections, future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see Risk Factors as described in Ormat Technologies' Annual Report on Form 10 ks and quarterly reports on Form 10 Q that are filed with the SEC. In addition, During the call, the company will present non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and management's reasons Presenting such information is set forth in the press release that was issued last night as well as in the slides posted on the website. Because these measures are not calculated in accordance with GAAP, they should not be considered in isolation from the financial statements prepared in accordance with GAAP. Before I turn the call over to management, I would like to remind everyone that a slide presentation accompanying this call may be accessed in the company's website atormat.com under the presentation link that's found on the Investor Relations tab.

Speaker 1

With all that said, I would now like to turn the call over to Duran Bashar. Duran, the call is all yours.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Alex, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We are pleased to report a strong start to the year With impressive net income and adjusted EBITDA growth year over year, supported mainly by our $2.56 Our operating income and adjusted EBITDA saw significant improvement of 17.9% 14.5%, respectively, And our net income increased 57.5% as income tax was positively impacted by the Inflation Reduction Act. We attribute this success to our strategic growth initiatives from last year as well as our operational performance and the regulatory tailwind This allowed us to maximize shareholder value. Our electricity segment continued to lead the way with strong performance This demonstrated the benefit of our ongoing portfolio expansion strategy.

Speaker 2

In our product segment, The step down in revenue compared to the Q1 last year was largely due to the timing we made in recognizing revenue throughout the year, which we expect to accelerate in the remaining of the year. Our storage segment's quarterly performance was negatively impacted by an overall reduction In energy rates, which impacted our results in the PJM and Keiser facility. As we entered the Q2, We completed construction and started operation of 2 new energy storage facilities and we are near completion of additional 2 facilities With a total capacity of 64 Megawatts, 64 Megawatt Hour. We expect The overall positive momentum we saw in Q1 to continue in the rest of 2023 with the IRA providing additional benefits through the tax credits available for geothermal and energy storage projects, which we expect will positively impact our bottom line. We remain on track with our full year guidance for 2023 and capacity expansion goals for 2025.

Speaker 2

As we look to the future, we are confident in the continued demand for renewable energy and we expect to benefit from it in all our 3 segments. Now before I provide further updates on our operations and future plans, I will turn the call over to Assi to review the financial results. Assi?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Doron. Let me start my review of our financial highlights on Slide 5. Total revenue for the Q1 was $185,200,000 up roughly 1% year over year, mostly driven by growth in our electricity segment. Q1 of 2023 total gross profit was $76,100,000 This resulted in a gross margin of 41.1 up from the gross margin of 38.1% in the Q1 of 2022. Net income attributable to the company's stakeholders was $29,000,000 or $0.51 per diluted share in the quarter.

Speaker 3

This compares favorably to the results of $18,400,000 or $0.33 per diluted share in the same period last year. The 57.5% increase in net income was mainly the result of a strong increase in operating income, Driven by new capacity added in the electricity segment in the second half of twenty twenty two and The contribution of the IRA benefit to both our new geothermal and storage facilities. Adjusted EBITDA of $123,500,000 increased 14.5% in the 1st quarter compared to $107,900,000 in the Q1 last year. The increase Was largely driven by 17.9 percent increase in operating income as a result of the new assets added, Further supported by the impact of the PTC generated in the quarter. Breaking the revenues down to the segment level.

Speaker 3

Electricity segment revenue increased 4.8 percent to $170,300,000 This increase was driven by contribution from OMAD's portfolio expansion efforts in 2022, mainly from CD4, Tungsten and the solar facility, as well as from the successful repowering of Heber II in the Heber complex. These drivers of revenue growth were partially offset by lower energy rates at Puna. In the Products segment, revenue decreased by 31.4 percent to $10,000,000 and represented 5.4% of the total consolidated revenues in the Q1. The year over year decline was mainly due to the timing of revenue recognition compared to the prior year period. However, We were able to sign 3 new contracts during the Q1 at a total amount of approximately $40,000,000 And we reiterate our confidence in our full year segment revenue guidance, which represent up to 89% growth compared to the same time last year.

Speaker 3

Energy Storage segment revenues were $4,900,000 compared to $6,600,000 in the Q1 of 2022. This decrease was driven primarily by the reduction in energy rates In the East Coast of the United States, regarding in lower rates at our PJM facilities. Moving to Slide 6. The gross margin for the electricity segment was 44.4% compared to 41.8% in the Q2 last year. The gross margin expansion was attributed The new added capacity and higher BI insurance proceeds by $4,500,000 versus last year related to the Pulev plant.

Speaker 3

In the Products segment, gross margin was 6.9% in the quarter, which was flat compared to the same year ago period. Despite flat segment margin, we believe that the strength of our new contract signed in late 2022 And 2023 so far will drive higher margin for the segment for the remaining of the year. The Energy Storage segment reported a negative gross margin compared to a gross margin of 13.5% in the Q1 last year. We expect margin improvements as well as we start to operate the new assets and grow the segment portfolio significantly. The Electricity segment generated 98% of our total consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the 1st quarter.

Speaker 3

The Products segment generated 1.5% and the Energy Storage segment reported adjusted EBITDA of $800,000 representing 0.5 percent of total adjusted EBITDA for the company. Reconciliation of EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA are provided in the appendix slides. Looking at Slide 7. Our net debt as of March 31, 2023, Was approximately $1,600,000,000 Cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash and cash equivalents As of March 31, 2023, was approximately $522,000,000 compared to $227,000,000 as of December 31, 2022. The slide breaks down the use of cash For 3 months, Illustrator or Matt's ability to reinvest in the business, service our debt and return capital to our shareholders in the form of cash dividend.

Speaker 3

We note that these use of cash have been flattened from our equity offering, cash generating by our operation and the strong liquidity profile we maintain. Our total debt as of March 31, 2023 was approximately $2,100,000,000 Net of deferred financing costs and its payment schedule is presented on Slide 28 in the appendix. The average cost of debt of the company stands at 4.14%. We think it is important to note As we prepare to deploy capital to fund our multiyear growth target, nearly all of our debt liabilities remain fixed rate in nature, which we believe will help continue positioning our market competitively in the rising global interest rate environment. In addition, we expect to finance 30% to 50% of our future U.

Speaker 3

S. CapEx With the support of ITC and PTC under the new IRA, which we expect Moving to Slide 8. In the Q1 of 2023, we have invested nearly $107,000,000 in CapEx to advance our growth. We have $1,100,000,000 of cash and available lines of credit. Our total expected capital for the last three quarters of 2023 includes $494,000,000 of capital expenditure as detailed in Slide 29 in the appendix.

Speaker 3

Overall, we have strong position in terms of capital sourcing with excellent liquidity In access to additional capital, it's attractive rate to support our future growth initiatives. On May 9, 2023, Our Board of Directors declared, approved and authorized payment of a quarterly dividend of $0.12 per share To all holders of the company's issued and outstanding shares of common stock on May 23, 2023, payable on June 6, 2023. In addition, the company expect to pay quarterly dividends of $0.12 per share in each of the next two quarters. That concludes my financial overview. I would like now to turn the call over to Doron to discuss some of our recent developments.

Speaker 3

Laurent? Thank you, Assi.

Speaker 2

Turning to Slide 10 for a look at our electricity segment operating portfolio. Generation growth continues to be positively supported by the addition of CD4, Tungsten, Iberturi Power and the new solar facilities including Worcester Solar. This was partially offset by lower generation at our oil facilities The domain is constrained by heat availability from the natural gas pipeline. In addition, Since the end of the Q1, we added 31 Megawatts to the Electricity segment from the new North Valley Power Plant and the completion of the solar facility adjacent to our Brady Geothermal Power Plant and to reach total electricity portfolio of 1.1 Gigawatts. Moving to Slide 11, our Kuna geothermal power plant has recently achieved the generating capacity of Approximately 28 Megawatts, which is a significant improvement from the 23 megawatts to 25 megawatts range in the Q4 of 2022.

Speaker 2

While prices forward, electricity generation will remain healthy. They were lower than last year level. As for the project expansion, we agreed with Telco In regards to our Kalia power plant in Kenya, we have made progress in our ongoing efforts to increase the complex capacity. We have reached the capacity of approximately 127 Megawatts, up from 125 Megawatts in the Q4 of 2022. With respect to Heber 1, the new power plant is near completion and expect to be online by the end of the second quarter.

Speaker 2

The new facility together with the repowering of the Heapyl 2 is expected to bring the total complex capacity to 89 megawatts and improve its efficiency and profitability. Turning to Slide 12 for an update on our backlog, which stands at $147,000,000 We were able to sign contracts totaling approximately $40,000,000 during the Q1. In addition, Recently, a new favorable tariff structure was approved in Turkey, which we anticipate will increase demand for new development. Moving to Slide 13. The Energy Storage segment was affected by lower rates at PGM and Kite.

Speaker 2

However, we have made progress in this segment by starting at the end of the quarter the operating of 2 new facilities and nearing completion of 2 more, which will add a combined capacity of 64 Megawatt Hour. We anticipate that this project will help to increase the segment's Moving to Slide 14 for an overview of the strong tailwinds we expect from regulatory initiatives. On the international side, as I mentioned earlier, the new tariff that was recently introduced in Turkey includes additional incentives This will overall secure developments with local manufacturing, a tariff of approximately $118 per megawatt hour. We believe this will reopen the Turkish market for us for new sales opportunities. In the U.

Speaker 2

S, we already saw this quarter the positive benefit The Inflation Reduction Act on our results. Transfavorable PTC related to Heber Geothermal and Whistler Solar And BTC sold under the CD4 new tax equity transaction increased our adjusted EBITDA by $4,800,000 this quarter. In addition, the transferable ITC related to our energy storage facility reduced our tax expense and thus increased net income. This positive impact will continue through the year and will increase as we add more new projects. We expect the total cash benefit related to PTC and ITC benefit of approximately $150,000,000 in 2023.

Speaker 2

This source of cash will enable us to significantly reduce our capital needs for the year, particularly as we look to continue growing our leading pure thermal portfolio. Moving to Slide 1617. Our growth plans for both the electricity and storage segment remain firmly on track despite some minor delay. As we look ahead to 2025, our target of approximately 1.83 gigawatt of added capacity Represent an impressive 4 85% growth at the midpoint compared to the year end 2022. This will be achieved through the addition of 230 megawatts to 2 60 megawatts of geothermal and solar energy power plant and 412 megawatts to 4 42 megawatts of energy storage capacity.

Speaker 2

Slides 18 and 19 displays the geothermal and hybrid solar PV projects currently underway. The Dixie Valley and Himbe 1 Geothermal Power Plant And Steamboat Solar are expected to be online during the Q2 of 2023. Moving to Slide 20 21, which highlights the 3rd layer of our growth plan, the Energy Storage segment. As presented on Slide 20, and as I mentioned earlier, we commenced the operation of Howard and Bauer Green and we are near completion of Uptown and Andover. In addition, we have 2 assets that are planned to be online in the second half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2

Our energy storage pipeline is robust We have developed a pipeline of more than 3 gigawatts of capacity in our U. S. Pipeline mainly in California and Texas. Please turn to Slide 22 for a discussion of our 2023 guide. In the 1st 3 months of 2023, format has delivered meaningful year over year growth across our revenues, operating income, adjusted EBITDA and net income.

Speaker 2

We expect full year revenues to range between $823,000,000 $858,000,000 which will represent a 12% to 17% increase year over year. Within electricity, revenues are expected to be between $670,000,000 $685,000,000 a 7% increase at the midpoint. We also expect product revenue to come between $120,000,000 $135,000,000 and approximately 79 percent. Storage revenue guidance is $33,000,000 to $38,000,000 for the year, which is also significant increase year over year. Adjusted EBITDA for 2023 is expected to be between $480,000,000 $510,000,000 which is a double digit improvement from 2022 throughout the range.

Speaker 2

On Slide 24, before I close the call, I want to highlight our continued commitment to environmental, social and governance ESG initiatives. As part of this commitment, we are working to finalize and publish our 2022 ESG report by the end of August, which will provide a comprehensive overview of our sustainability initiatives, performance and target. Further supporting our ESG initiative, we have established a new ESG committee within our Board of Directors and next week will be Our first global ESG week. I will end our prepared remarks on Slide 26. In summary, we are pleased to report another solid quarter with significant growth.

Speaker 2

Despite some short term delay, our growth plan remains on track and we are well positioned to capitalize on the strong global demand for renewable energy solutions. As always, we remain dedicated to delivering This concludes our prepared remarks. Now, I would like to open the call for questions. Operator? Thank

Operator

you. The first question is from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. Maybe we can start with the HEAPRONE repowering. Congratulations on getting that done timely. And I think if we went back a year ago and looked at the impact from the fire and look at where you are now, it's impressive what you've been able to do with that complex. Maybe talk through how that process has played out, what you've actually done to be able to affect the repowering?

Speaker 3

Noah, good morning and thank you for the question. So as a reminder, Hibbel 2 Started already to operate in Q4 of last year, really throughout December. And HEBio1 is expected any day now to have the COD. It should be during the Q2 before the end of the quarter. Heber 1 used to be a 40 Megawatt Power Plant and 50% of the power plant was automatic equipment And 50% was basically Toshiba or Mitsubishi equipment, it was a steam equipment.

Speaker 3

During the fire, the steam equipment were all obsolete. And during the last year, we were able to basically reinstall All of the units, we are not going to use even the old units that Matias to operate. And then the further the new capacity of Heber Between Heber 1 and Heber 2 and the surrounding facilities will be close to 90 mega. And we also expect it to happen in a much better profitability, because the cost to operate a brand new plant It's much better than the cost to operate in all the steam plants.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. I think it opens A broader question about repowering opportunities across the portfolio. I don't know whether ITC benefits Would factor into that decision, but perhaps you can comment to TCCI, TCC, I should say. Perhaps you can comment to The repowering opportunity that you see today, any potential quantification of that would be helpful.

Speaker 2

I know, it's Doron. So as you said, the Heber facility was repowered. We've done a similar project in our Ormesa facility and in G2 in Mammoth and in other sites. So we don't we currently don't have any big repowering project like Here in our facilities, we have smaller one like Dixie Valley that you see and in Guatemala. So we do have smaller projects.

Speaker 2

BWOWI is another project that we're actually doing So, CorSoPower basically taking an old facility that is doing 9, 10 megawatts and will generate over 20 megawatts When it comes online in the middle of next year, that's the big repower that we have today.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. And maybe the last one, just on the Puna PPA residing, nice To hear that, that moves forward, you mentioned it's more favorable for the company. Can you just sort of dimension for us in what way is it more favorable? I know that for the PUC, there was a desire to And get away from linkage to fossil fuel prices, talk about why this is more favorable for the company?

Speaker 2

Yes. Actually, Puna is another big repower that we will do basically this once. We have the PPA, we're going to replace the entire facility with a new facility This will come online. Since you're obviously following us over the time, you've seen that we've invested Quite a lot of efforts and drilling into Puna. And all of these costs are basically embedded into the new and updated PPA.

Speaker 2

So the PPA is better for us because it takes into account the higher costs that we had In order to drill and find resources to support the 46 Megawatt facility. And we finished the

Speaker 4

Go ahead, Anthony.

Speaker 2

Yes, and they filed it with the POC and we hope that Q3, we'll get the middle of Q3, we'll get the fluid from the PUC in Hawaii and move forward with the project.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Justin Clare with ROTH MKM. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking our questions. First off here, just wanted to see if you could talk about the visibility You have into growing your geothermal capacity beyond the projects under development that you have already identified in the presentation. When might you be ready to share additional details on projects that you have in the pipeline?

Speaker 5

And then just wondering at this point In time, beyond the projects identified, are you developing additional projects that will have CODs Potentially in 2024 or are they likely to be 2025 or sometime beyond?

Speaker 2

So thank you, Justin. We have approximately 40 sites Now that are listed in our 10 ks traditional prospects that we have globally, most of them in the U. S, in Nevada and California. We have started this year a cohort program with all of these drills in 3 locations, The cohort in Nevada and the plant for the cohort, it's a seven Location, cohort plan, where we'll drill before we start to drill a full site well, we drill a cohort. This will be the next level of development that we will have.

Speaker 2

And they will come assuming everything is successful in the 20 6, 20 7 times in Horizon. That's in the U. S. In Indonesia, we're drilling in 2 locations. We've just responded to a new Tender that was issued by the Indonesian government and utility, the state owned utility And we're competing with the Protamina and Chevron on the site.

Speaker 2

And we have additional location That we are in various stages of negotiation as part of the exploration. However, in Indonesia, the process takes a bit longer, so it may be a little later, but there's definitely many potential that we are working today for the next round of development beyond what we have listed in our

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Very helpful. And then I was wondering if you could just update us on what you're Seeing in terms of the trend in PPA pricing for geothermal assets, maybe in the U. S, but then also in other markets, It sounds like the PPA signed for the Puna project was favorable, but maybe you can just comment on what you're seeing more broadly?

Speaker 2

We see a continuous demand for geothermal project. I can tell you to follow-up on your previous question, we've been actually been asked already by different utilities and CCAs on Signing PPAs towards the end of 2020s and maybe to the beginning of the 2030s. So we see quite a lot of demand. And when demand is high and the number of projects are not very high, prices go up. So we continue to see increased pricing in the U.

Speaker 2

S. Indonesia has set the other locations we're operating I said the presidential tariffs that ranges between $95 to $110,000 $120 per megawatt depends on the location of the site. So these are also Good PPA pricing.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. And then maybe just one more for me, shifting to the product segment. Revenues declined a bit quarter over quarter. I was just wondering if you could share why the revenues declined in that segment.

Speaker 5

Was this just happened to be the timing for product deliveries? Or did you see any issue in supply chain or logistics? And then also on the margin profile, you indicated that margins in that segment are expected to increase through the rest of the year here. I was wondering where could we see gross margins for the project segment in say Q2, Q3 or Q4 moving through the year here?

Speaker 3

So as we mentioned in our brief remarks, we expect the full year revenue to be on the high end of the revenue as Basically, we were able to have a sufficient backlog to almost guarantee almost the revenue for the year. And the reason why we were behind this quarter is just the way we decided to allocate work between internal work, Building projects for Ormat and working for 3rd party. With respect to margin, I think that On an annual basis, Matt, in this environment should be somewhere between 15% to 20% of gross margin. These are the types of margins that we should have based on the combination of the some of the contracts that have lower margins that are Coming from 2022 and the one that's attracting with higher margin that was signed in early 2023. When you combine between them and also some of our fixed costs, we should come somewhere between 15% to 20% margin maybe on the higher end Towards the end

Speaker 6

of the

Speaker 5

year. Okay, got it. Thank

Operator

The next question is from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning team. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Look, I wanted to talk about California first and foremost. Obviously, California capacity prices are up very meaningfully in the last few months here and obviously year over year in a big way.

Speaker 6

I know that you principally operate a contracted portfolio, but I just wanted to get a sense as to how that might impact even modest amounts of exposure in the next Few years as you might see, some step up from that as well as does that actually change your development focus To fixate on California and the opportunity there, just given how much more robust the IRRs are conceivably between 1st, the higher capacity and secondly, IRA, if you will.

Speaker 2

Hi, Julian. Thank you. So we see the demand very strongly in California as you said, but we also see a very strong demand in Nevada That is coming from the basic requirement to go to renewable. As preparation for this growth that we started See, a couple of years ago with the resolution of the CPUC, we have more than doubled our exploration efforts. In the past, we've been drilling in 2 to 3 locations at the maximum.

Speaker 2

Today, we're drilling at 5 locations In parallel and targeting to go up to 7 locations, we see the benefits that we get In the higher PPA pricing and the IRAs you mentioned, we're working the geothermal PTCs up till the end of 2024, and we hope they will be extended. But regardless, we are operating in the Context of getting to start of construction according to the IRS requirements by the end of the year. So most of our project Coming online in the following 4 years will enjoy the IRA PTCs even if they will not be extended for geothermal. So we've put a lot of efforts into the U. S, mainly in the resource and exploration phase.

Speaker 2

And as I said before, we are drilling Drilled already in 3 new locations in Nevada Core Holes, planning to drill another 4 this year And the beginning of next year, and this will be the base for the next wave of projects that the situation will be successful will be part of our growth

Speaker 6

Excellent. Thank you very much. And if you can elaborate briefly, if you don't mind, Key question is around the ITCs and PTCs recognized through the forecast. I think you guys had 150,000,000 In the current year here, what is how does that flow through over the next few years? Just what does that amount to per year, if you can try to give Some sense of visibility.

Speaker 6

I know these things are moving around a little bit.

Speaker 3

Julian, this is Assi. Thank you for the question. So first, the ITC is an outcome of the amount of CapEx and the timing of the COD of the storage assets. This year, the amount of assets that we are bringing online, we expect somewhere around $15,000,000 to $18,000,000 of ITC benefit. All of it should flow through the reduction in income tax and reduce the tax rate for the company similar to what we saw this quarter.

Speaker 3

When we look to next year, we have 2 large projects. The larger of 1, of course, is Batamec, which cost us Around $105,000,000 $110,000,000 It looks like based on preliminary analysis that bottleneck will be entitled to 40% ITC, Which mean under this scenario, only bottleneck next year should give us compared to the 50,000,000 and 80,000,000 this year, 40,000,000 So next year, ITC benefit will be more than doubled in this year, because in addition to bottleneck, we also have, as you can see on the list, Montagil, Which also we expect to get around $6,000,000 of ITC. So on ITC and net income next year, We see a boost and we see roughly $45,000,000 of ITC proceeds. When we look at tax equity transaction, We do have the Huawei next year. It won't be as big as what we saw this year.

Speaker 3

It will be equal to somewhere around North Valley And we should add around $30,000,000 $35,000,000 of proceeds. So between the two next year, we expect around $75,000,000 of ITC and PTC proceeds. In addition to some other PTCs that we'll generate during the year from some of the solar projects, so it's probably going to be around $80,000,000 but the P and L impact in 2024 will be much higher. The cash impact will be lower, but the P and L impact will be much higher. So we expect a very good net income exchange.

Speaker 6

Right. And that's because you flow the ITCs pretty much instantaneously, right? When we're talking these numbers, That's not necessarily delayed or staggered over some period of time, right? Just to confirm with you, right? The numbers that you quoted are flowing through the P and L.

Speaker 3

The ITC proceeds that I quoted flying through the P and L, you are correct. The PTC I'll flag through the cash flow and then amortized over usually 9 to 10 years through the tax equity line item. And you can see that this quarter there was $4,800,000 more than the same period last year. It's because we are producing more PTCs. We expect to sell them either to tax equity transactions or through, I would say PTC transfer transaction.

Speaker 3

We are seeing the market moving to a higher level and values on PTCs. It Started with $0.89 to $0.85 Now we're getting quotes up to $0.92 on the dollar for PTCs. And hopefully, Bank of America will be buying from us more PTCs in the future.

Speaker 6

There we go. Indeed. All right. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it, all right.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Jeff Osborne with TD Cowen. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Yes, good morning. Just a couple of questions on my side. I think, Asahi, you've given some hints or Red crumbs over the past two earnings calls about some of the leverage in the model and new projects that are flowing through 2024. In response to Julian's question, you talked About the tax side, I was wondering if you could talk specifically on EBITDA as you get a full year of Puna breakneck some of the other projects or bottleneck. Is there a way of quantifying What sort of incremental EBITDA you have in 2024, either through the rebuilds of the 2 facilities or some of the new projects?

Speaker 3

Good morning, Jeff. So first, already last quarter, we mentioned that The assets that will be built in 2023 and will be operate in 2023 We'll add roughly $30,000,000, three-0 of adjusted EBITDA to 2024. Puna will only be upgraded in 2025. In addition to that, There are new assets that will be operated in 2024 partially, which are bottleneck, Montagu on the storage side combined probably over $15,000,000 of EBITDA. And then we also have the upgrade of Biowi, that's our largest project in 2024, which will add few more $1,000,000 of EBITDA.

Speaker 3

So the assets that will be COD, hopefully as early as we can this year Should add to the following year around $30,000,000 of EBITDA, which means if in 2023, Our guidance are for $480,000,000 to $510,000,000 of EBITDA. The year after, we should benefit by additional $30,000,000 from the assets that were already paid by the company. And then we'll start adding the new assets for 2024.

Speaker 7

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe just one follow-up, I think it was on Justin's question about the product gross margins. I think you mentioned the Turkish Support has come back. I think they have an election this weekend, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 7

But I'm just curious, a 2 part question, how political That process was if the outcome of the election changes, is there any risk to that program? And then B, I think historically your Turkish margins in particular were pretty depressed relative to other countries. So I'm just curious as Turkey starts resuming orders, if there's any risk to the 15% to 20% number that you talked about?

Speaker 2

Hi. So the elections in Turkey is on May 14. The new tariff was signed last week. We cannot predict who's going to win the election and What the winner will do following the election. But what but this feed in tariff was due for a long period of So the market did stop.

Speaker 2

I think the government in Turkey saw that the market stopped because of the feed in target that was initiated a few years ago. And the discussion on improving the feed in tariff was a very long discussion. So we hope that it will not be changed or reduced. I can tell you that unlike previous years, the requirement is for a lot of production in Turkey. And as you know, lastly, we have a facility in Turkey and we know subcontractors that can deliver the required goods So we're very encouraged that the feed in tariff came in.

Speaker 2

We're waiting for the election. We hope that after the election, the economy in Turkey regardless who wins will be more stable And stronger, this will allow the local developers to release projects. We've already been approached by multiple of them, but similar What you asked, everybody is waiting for the elections on May 14. Margins in Turkey in the past has Ups and down, there are few projects with very nice margins, other with lower margin. We do expect significant competition on the supply in Turkey.

Speaker 2

But if it's going to be a big market, I'm sure we'll be able to take a large Portion office with good margins.

Speaker 7

Thanks for the detail. That's all I have. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I'll turn it over to the presenters for any closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining us and your continued support. We look forward to continue and deliver to all our shareholders, all our stakeholders a profitable growth. Thank you

Operator

all. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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