NYSE:SWX Southwest Gas Q1 2023 Earnings Report $72.54 -0.68 (-0.93%) Closing price 04/25/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$72.54 0.00 (0.00%) As of 04/25/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Southwest Gas EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.69Consensus EPS $1.39Beat/MissBeat by +$0.30One Year Ago EPSN/ASouthwest Gas Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.60 billionExpected Revenue$1.29 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$315.65 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASouthwest Gas Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2023Date5/9/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, May 9, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsSouthwest Gas' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Southwest Gas Q1 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 9, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tom Moran, General Counsel, Southwest Gas Holdings. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, Vaishnavi. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Throughout the call, we will be referencing presentation slides, which we have posted on our Investor Relations website. I'm joined on today's call by Karen Haller, President and CEO of Southwest Gas Holdings Rob Stefani, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Justin Brown, President of Southwest Gas Corporation Paul Daly, President and CEO of Century Group and Chad Van Sweden, the CFO of Century Group. Please note that on today's call, the company will address certain factors that may impact this year's earnings and provide some longer term guidance. Speaker 100:01:27Some of the information that will be discussed today contains forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's assumptions, which may or may not come true, and you should refer to the language on Slides 23 of this presentation and in the press release as well as our SEC filings for a description of the factors that may cause actual results to differ from our forward looking statements. All forward looking statements are made as of today, And we assume no obligation to update any such statement. I'll now turn the call over to Karen. Speaker 200:02:05Thanks, Tom. I'm pleased you're joining us today to discuss the Southwest Gas Holdings' 1st quarter results. Turning to slide 5. We are making significant progress on our transformational strategy of returning Southwest Gas to its Core foundation of the premier fully regulated natural gas utility. We are enhancing efficiency and productivity across our operations and pursuing constructive break case outcomes of utility, while also preparing Sentry for its future as a strong Standalone Infrastructure Services Leader. Speaker 200:02:42Customer growth and demand remains strong and we continue to benefit from population growth across our service territories. As a result, we believe Southwest Gas Uniquely positioned for continued growth and success as we safely address the needs of our customers, invest in the communities we serve and deliver value for our shareholders. We are strategically deploying capital, investing in our operations so that we can meet the demand for safe, We are confident in our momentum and remain on track to deliver 5% to 7% CAGR in rate base growth over the next 3 years, while also maintaining a strong investment grade balance sheet and delivering a competitive dividend to our stockholders. As you can see on Slide 6, we are making excellent progress on our 2023 strategic priorities. We completed several key strategic milestones during the Q1, including the $1,500,000,000 cell of Mountain West and the RAZRes process earlier this year to confirm our financing plan for 2023. Speaker 200:04:03Under the financing plan, During the Q1, we issued $247,000,000 of equity at Southwest Holdings and $300,000,000 of debt at Southwest Gas. In mid April, we issued a $550,000,000 term loan at Southwest Holdings. Operator00:04:21We continue to Speaker 200:04:22see limited near term equity needs for 2024 and 2025 and anticipate equity needs of less than $100,000,000 in total through the end of 2025. We remain on track with the Century spend. We submitted an IRS private letter ruling requesting request during the Q1 and filed notice of intent with the SEC in April. Our team is now focused on the As previously stated, we expect to complete the spend of Centuri during the Q4 of 2023 for the Q1 of 2024. At the utility, we are focused on the utility optimization review and will begin prioritizing Later this year, as I will cover in more detail. Speaker 200:05:12Of note on the regulatory side, in the quarter, We finalized our Arizona general rate case, which led to the ACC's approval and authorization of the largest revenue increase in Southwest Gas Industry, $54,000,000 with rates effective February 1, 2023. We also filed a proposed change to the Arizona PGA Recovery mechanism in late February. And lastly, we expect to file our Nevada rate case in the Q3 of this year. We are pleased with our continued progress and our strategic plan is on track. On Slide 7, We walked through our strong Q1 performance at Southwest and Century. Speaker 200:05:57We are proud to announce that at At Utility, we delivered the highest quarterly net income on record. We experienced another quarter of strong adding 42,000 new meter sets over the last 12 months, while continuing to make investments to ensure our system remains safe and reliable for the benefit of our customers. At Centuri, we announced record setting 1st quarter revenue and EBITDA. This strong first quarter performance reduced Century's last 12 months net debt to EBITDA multiple half a turn or 0.5 times from the prior quarter. Century also grew its offshore wind portfolio and showcased continued growth of its strong base of gas and electric utility customers. Speaker 200:06:47As Paul will discuss, Century continues to win new business based on the strength of its relationships and capabilities and is well positioned to play a critical role in the continuing energy transition. As shown on Slide 8, we've been actively advancing a multi step evaluation process to optimize the performance of the utility through a comprehensive review and identification of potential optimization opportunities. We recently hired consultants, including a top business and management firm to complement the work we have been doing internally to assist us in our deep dive review into the This review is about ensuring the investments we are making are efficient, targeted and positively contributing to building a solid foundation for future success. We anticipate this identification process will continue through the And then we will refine and develop prioritized action plans by identifying cost savings and efficiency opportunities to execute on over the next couple of years. This process will help support the tremendous growth we have across Our service territory, pass on savings to our customers, improve ROEs and result in positive returns for our stockholders. Speaker 200:08:14We also believe these efforts will complement our commitment Delivering excellent customer service and operational efficiency. As I mentioned previously, We added 42,000 new utility customers during the past 12 months and expect to continue to benefit from strong demographic and Economic Growth in the Southwest. Between 20232028, population growth is projected to be 3.76% in Arizona and 3.9% in Nevada. New customer growth combined with our pipeline replacement activities associated with our safety and integrity management programs are the cornerstones of our $2,000,000,000 3 year capital expenditure program. We are committed to working collaboratively with our regulators to ensure these investments get moved into rate base in a timely manner, either through rate cases or tracker programs. Speaker 200:09:19These commitments and efforts have delivered approximately 10% authorized rate base CAGR over the past 5 years and we expect to continue to grow our rate base at a compound annual growth rate of 5% to 7% over the next 3 years. I will now turn the call over to Rob, who will review our financial performance for the quarter. Speaker 300:09:45Thanks, Karen. On slide 11, we outline our earnings per share performance for the Q1. The company's consolidated GAAP and adjusted EPS are shown by each operating company. As Karen mentioned earlier, the utility of Century Each had a record setting Q1. The utility recorded its highest quarterly net income on record. Speaker 300:10:07Centuri recorded its highest ever 1st quarter revenue and EBITDA. On an adjusted basis, we finished the Q1 of 2023 with EPS of $1.69 per share versus an adjusted EPS of $1.74 per share from the year prior, which included a full 3 months of Mt. West. The company concluded the sale of Mt. West in February 2023. Speaker 300:10:34Excluding Mountain West from each quarter, the Q1 adjusted EPS increased approximately 11% from the prior year Q1. In the appendix, we provide a reconciliation of adjustments by operating company. The vast majority of the Q1 adjustments relate to the sale of Mountain West, About $73,000,000 pre tax, including expenses associated with the disintegration with a small incremental amount related to the Century and incremental Mountain West cost prior to the sale. Now, I'd like to provide a walk through the performance of each operating company. Moving on to Slide 12, you will see the year over year performance drivers for our utility, Southwest Gas Corporation. Speaker 300:11:19In the Q1 of 2023, utility gross margin increased by $34,000,000 compared to last year. This improvement was primarily driven by the combination of customer growth and rate relief. New rates went into effect for the full quarter in Nevada in 2023 and since February 1, 2023 in Arizona, including approved regulatory trackers. Also included is revenue from the Arizona Vintage Steel Pipe and customer owned yard line programs and other increases we described in our Form 10 Q filed earlier this morning. O and M increased $12,000,000 between quarters approximately $4,000,000 of which was due to increased cost of Fuel used in our Great Basin operation, which is recorded in O and M, but which is offset in margin, so is net neutral to earnings. Speaker 300:12:11Other drivers contributing to the cost increases include outside services, combined lead survey and line locating as well as insurance related claims. Other income increased $17,000,000 compared to last year. This was driven by increased interest income related to carrying costs associated with regulatory account balances, largely related to the purchase gas cost recovery mechanisms and favorable quarter over quarter changes in non related components of employee and post retirement benefits as well as improvement in investment returns underlying the company owned life insurance policy values. Interest expense increased by $12,000,000 from the prior year, primarily due to interest associated with senior notes issued in 20222023, as well as the $450,000,000 term loan issued in January of this year to support gas purchases. Depreciation and amortization increased marginally, Including offsetting reduction in amortization related to certain regulatory account balances. Speaker 300:13:13Moving on to Centuri's results this past Slide 13 reviews the drivers behind Centuri's record first quarter adjusted EBITDA results. Centuri's 1st quarter revenues increased by 100 and $29,000,000 compared to the prior year. This increase was driven by offshore wind projects at Riggs Dessler, emergency response and a large gas project delivering natural gas to a battery factory in the Midwest. Centuri's revenues were partially offset by corresponding Operating expenses driven by higher volume of infrastructure services provided and increased subcontractor costs on offshore wind projects. Additionally, Centuri saw increased interest expense because of higher SOVR interest rates on outstanding variable rate borrowings quarter over quarter. Speaker 300:14:00Centuri is well positioned to continue serving its long term customers, while leveraging our geographic reach and expertise to serve new customers and markets. We are very excited about the opportunities we see in 2023 and beyond for Centuri. Centuri has strong momentum heading into the rest of the year. On Slide 14, we outline our recently completed 2023 financing plan for Southwest Gas Holdings and Southwest Gas Corporation. As Karen noted, we do not anticipate meaningful equity needs in 2024 through 2025. Speaker 300:14:31In total, for For the 2024 through 2025 period, we currently expect less than $100,000,000 in equity issuance at Southwest Gas Holdings. This happens as the PGA is expected to unwind generating significant cash flows as Justin will discuss later in the call. At Holdings, we plan to target an FFO debt ratio of approximately 14% by 2025 and our recently executed financing plan puts us on a path toward that. Now, I'll turn it over to Justin Brown, President of the Utility to review Southwest Gas Corporation's to operational highlights. Speaker 400:15:06Thank you, Rob. Starting on Slide 16, we provide an overview of our most recent Arizona rate case With new rates that became effective February 1. In addition to being the single largest increase we've ever experienced in a rate case, There are several other key aspects of the case that are important to highlight. 1st, reaching agreement prior to hearing to use a target equity layer of 50 And an improved authorized ROE of 9.3%. 2nd, authorization to use a post test your plant adjustment consisting of 12 months, A finding that all our gas purchases were prudently incurred. Speaker 400:15:42And lastly, the continuation of key regulatory mechanisms like our full revenue decoupling, Our customer owned yard line program, our property tax tracker and our income tax tracker. We believe that each of these items and this outcome helps demonstrate our collaborative approach and constructive relationships with the ACC, ACC staff and other stakeholders. We're also actively preparing for and evaluating other future rate case filings across our various jurisdictions. We remain on schedule to file a Nevada rate case later this year and we're continuing to target a 3rd quarter filing. We are currently evaluating our needs in Arizona and determining the appropriate time for filing our next Arizona rate case. Speaker 400:16:25Given our existing 5 year rate case schedule in California, we plan to file our next rate case in the Q3 of 2024. And lastly, we're also evaluating the timing of our next Great Basin rate case. And due to a prior settlement commitment, we know that that filing will occur prior to June of 2025. Turning to Slide 17, we highlight other recent regulatory filings that are currently pending before our commissions as well as some other recent constructive outcomes. First, in Arizona, we have 3 filings currently pending. Speaker 400:16:58Our request to modify our PGA mechanism, our annual coil surcharge filing requesting $4,300,000 in surcharge revenue and our recently filed notice of reorganization to separate Century from Southwest Holdings. We expect each of these meeting agenda in the near future. In Nevada, we recently received approval of an all party settlement for our annual rate adjustment filing. As part of this proceeding, the parties in the commission also review our gas purchases during the test period and found them to be reasonable and prudent. As we mentioned on the last call, we also have 2 filings pending in California. Speaker 400:17:47If the filings are approved, we believe both projects will Instrumental in clean energy technology development and demonstrating the role natural gas plays in a sustainable energy future by providing energy reliability, resiliency and security to customers, while also lowering GHG emissions and helping support on-site combined heat and power and solar generation development. Great Basin has also made a couple of recent filings with the FERC for various replacement and expansion work to meet the needs of our Great Basin customers and the increasing demand for natural gas across Northern Nevada and Northern California. The FERC already issued a certificate of public convenience and necessity for our proposed mainline replacement project And we anticipate construction to start later this summer. Completion of this project will coincide with the timing of our next rate case to minimize any regulatory lag associated with the project. We just filed a request for the proposed expansion project, but upon FERC approval, New rates will become effective immediately upon completion of the project since it is a fully contracted expansion. Speaker 400:18:55We currently anticipate approval and completion of that project prior to the end of next year. Turning to Slide 18, earlier this year Governor Lombardo Executive order in Nevada highlighting its energy priorities and policy objectives for the next decade. The executive order articulates Support for an all of the above approach to energy, placing an emphasis on affordability and reliability, as well as the important role energy plays in economic Development as well as his commitment to ensure safe, reliable and affordable energy remains available to all Nevadans, including ensuring that Nevada Homes and Businesses have access to natural gas for use in their homes and businesses. Consistent with this executive order, we've been working with various stakeholders, including the Public Utilities Commission of Nevada on legislation that would establish a robust and thoughtful approach to natural gas planning. The proposed legislation will require gas Utilities to make filings every 3 years identifying customer demands, resource plans for meeting those demands, including creating pathways for pursuing clean fuel technologies like hydrogen and renewable natural gas, as well as expanded opportunities for energy efficiency programs for our customers. Speaker 400:20:16The legislation will also ensure alignment among all stakeholders by providing Gas Utilities the opportunity to seek pre approval of these investments before investments are actually made. The legislation was voted out of committee unanimously and is currently working its way through the legislative process. Turning to Slide 19, this past winter we experienced colder than forecasted weather, interstate pipeline outages And lower storage inventories in the Western Half of the United States that constrain supplies resulting in higher gas costs. The colder than normal weather necessitated a greater quantity of purchased gas to meet customer demand across our service territory, resulting in a significant increase in our PGA balances during the quarter. Slide 19 provides an update of our PGA balances at the end of the quarter and an overview of We continue to maintain constructive gas cost recovery mechanisms in each of our jurisdictions that allow us to timely recover these costs with monthly or quarterly rate changes. Speaker 400:21:22As shown on the graph, we anticipate Significant recoveries over the next couple of years as we recover these gas costs and start to see our PGA balances come down. This will also provide enhanced cash flows to help cover financing needs over the next couple of years. I'll now turn the call over to Paul Daley, President and CEO of Century Group. Speaker 500:21:43Thanks, Justin. Turning to slide 20, we are excited about our continued progress towards our future as a standalone Strategic utility infrastructure services later. We continue to benefit from strong tailwinds across utility end markets as support Century's long term growth. And we expect this growth will accelerate as we deliver on opportunities In the electric T and D hardening and expansion, 5 gsdatacom build out, offshore wind and other renewable and energy transition programs. Importantly, as we work towards our pending spin, we have the resources, capabilities and business structure to continue to deliver on our growth opportunities. Speaker 500:22:27On slide 21, I will dive deeper into our customer and project expansion efforts. Our customer relationships are built on a strong foundation of partnerships and collaboration and we are trusted to for their long term capital spending programs. We are also building new relationships and expanding our work across North America. During the quarter, we signed and began work on $125,000,000 gas pipeline construction contract in Indiana to an electric vehicle battery plant. We expect to continue to benefit from the strong sector tailwinds across Our gas and electric T and D markets as well as significant multi year opportunities in 5 gs and offshore wind related infrastructure. Speaker 500:23:15We are making particularly strong progress in expanding our clean energy projects. Today, we have secured wind contracts Worth more than $525,000,000 for the supply and fabrication of wind towers secondary steel assemblies capable of generating 2.9 gigawatts of clean energy. We recorded $47,500,000 of revenue during the Q1 for our sustainable wind energy projects and we're projecting to deliver approximately $250,000,000 of wind energy revenues for the full year. Today, our start up productivity fabricating the first 5% of the tower assemblies is close to achieving budgeted full production With our scale and expertise, our operating companies were called upon for support Following a number of tornadoes and other storms that left countless communities in the Southeast and Northeast without power during the Q1. Operator00:24:17Our approach Speaker 500:24:17to serving those in need is differentiated through a consolidated offering, which is delivered through multiple operating companies. During the quarter, we deployed nearly 1200 employees across 22 states for this restoration work. Slide 22 highlights Centuri's strong financial performance over the past year. While we continue to face some of the headwinds that we Additionally, revenue growth remains strong. As both Karen and Rob mentioned earlier, we delivered both record revenue, 1st quarter revenues and EBITDA. Speaker 500:25:03Of note, the strong growth trajectory can be seen in our legacy Century business as well as the more recently added Rich Distler operations. And as you can see in the charts on the right, our portfolio has become much with no one geography representing more than 11% of revenues. We look forward to sharing our progress in the coming year as we work toward With that, I'll turn it back to Karen. Speaker 200:25:41Thanks, Paul. On Slide 20 We cover our outlook and guidance for the remainder of the year. We are reaffirming company guidance at both Utility and Scentry. We are confident that each business' strong first quarter performance will help drive full year results in line with the guidance we initiated last As you know, Century's business is seasonal with most of the activity occurring in the 2nd and third quarters. On Slide 25, we would like to reiterate that Southwest Gas Holdings remains committed to paying a competitive dividend to our stockholders. Speaker 200:26:19We are holding the dividend flat in 2023 and will revisit our pro form a dividend policy closer to execution of the Century spend in the Q4 of 2023 or Q1 of 2024. Looking ahead, we expect to maintain a payout ratio competitive with utility peers and expect to consider the run rate level of earnings of the fully regulated business considering expected rate case outcomes in California, Arizona and Nevada. Before we open the call up to Q and A, I want to emphasize That our teams are focused on executing our 2023 strategic priorities, delivering strong financial results and providing exceptional service to our customers. At Southwest Gas Holdings, we are confident in our path forward as a premier pure play natural gas We will continue delivering steady organic rate base growth through strong regional demand dynamics as well as earnings growth through financial discipline, operational excellence and constructive regulatory relationships. We're advancing towards the planned tax free spin of Centri putting the company in a better position to align with stockholders and delever the business organically with healthy cash flow generation. Speaker 200:27:42With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator00:27:46Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Chris Ellinghaus with Seaberg William Shanks. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:28:25Hey, everybody. Hey, Chris. On Centuri growth, the 9% to 11% EBITDA Does that suggest that you anticipate more offshore wind contracts that will help To fill in the gap for your contracted EBITDA over the next couple of years? Speaker 700:28:53It does not assume any additional contracts from what we have currently Contracted for, which is about $525,000,000 We do anticipate that there will be additional Offshore wind revenues, but it's not dependent on there being additional offshore wind revenue. Speaker 600:29:18So are you anticipating any sort of ongoing maintenance value in the offshore business? Speaker 700:29:27We are not. We're not expecting to have MSA contracts like we do for our gas and electric utility services on the offshore wind side. Speaker 600:29:40Also given the sort of Population growth that you talked about, which is really quite strong, is there anticipated upside to the 3 year rate base CAGR for the gas utility? Speaker 400:30:00Hey, Chris, it's Justin. At this point in time, we're continuing to monitor. We saw a little bit of a downturn Last fall, right, but then we've noticed this Q1 things continue to go pretty well. And so I think it's something we're monitoring closely, but at this time, we're Still kind of in line with what our expectations are on CapEx growth for the guidance we've given. Speaker 600:30:27Okay. Justin, can you also sort of address what you're seeing in migration and your housing markets, Given what's up with the economy and interest rates of late? Speaker 400:30:44Yes. I mean, I think I actually saw something recently where like Penske had some survey where they do on trucks Moving and it's like Arizona and Nevada in the top 4 and they have been the last 2 years. So I think to your point, I think our service territory continues to Remain in a very attractive part of the country where people are relocating to. And I think that's why when we look over the last couple of years and the fact that we added 42,000 first time meter sets over the last 12 months. It's just something we continue to see growth and we're excited about. Speaker 600:31:20Okay, great. One last thing, the PGA balances, where do you see the PGA ending up at the end of 24, so what is sort of that draw down from the $900,000,000 plus that you expect? Speaker 400:31:40Yes. So I think a lot of it's heavily dependent on gas prices, right, because as you draw down, you backfill with gas prices. But I think if you look at that chart, I think that kind of gives you a ballpark idea of kind of what we expect to come in assuming kind of a stabilized Level of gas prices. Speaker 600:32:01Okay, great. Thanks a bunch. Appreciate the color. Operator00:32:11Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:32:18Hey, good morning, team. Thank you all very much for the commentary. Good morning. Karen, if I can just to jump in, I heard your commentary about pursuing a deep dive into the current cost structure. Obviously, Expecting to effectuate a spin hopefully later this year, if not early next, what's the timeline for kind of a fully revamped view inclusive of some of these latest Cost efforts at the on the utility side and or across both, right? Speaker 800:32:47I mean, when do you think you'll come back with kind of an updated view On your overall earnings profile, if you will. Is that something prior to the spin? Speaker 200:32:58Yes. We're currently working with our consultants And looking at all of the deep dive right now, so we're continuing to go through that process and we'll do so through the Q2. I believe by the Q3, we should be able to start looking at identifying what some of those initiatives are going to be and then looking at prioritizing those in the 3rd Q4 as we move forward to execute all of those. So it's a process We're in process. I believe that for the spend depending upon the time of the spend, you may be able to execute or start executing on some of those optimization initiatives, but a lot of that will That answer depends upon the timing of the spend, which we've identified as the Q4 or Q1 of next year. Speaker 800:33:51Got it. So it sounds like it aligns fairly well. And then just on the credit side, I heard the commentary today and Nicely done on the latest efforts here. But can you elaborate a little bit more about the target leverage metrics at the SpinCo, just to kind of think through What that looks like in tandem with your expectations on achieving the 14% at, call it, parent co by 25%, just I want to make sure I understand Where the debt allocation is traveling and just what your expectations are on what that might cost etcetera on the SpinCo? Speaker 300:34:25Hey, Julien, it's Rob. Thanks for the question. I think as was exhibited in the Q1, Century is To organically delever and they delevered about a half a turn from the prior quarter. We'll look for them to continue that progress throughout the year. We went through the RAS, RES process and as indicated In the year end call, we targeted approximately a $300,000,000,000 deleveraging effort at Century. Speaker 300:34:59We'll continue to evaluate The amount that we expect that that would put them kind of in line with the current comp universe, who has also done acquisitions recently. The Century Group continues to Integrate the Riggs acquisition. And I think as you're seeing from this quarter's financial results, we're starting to get an uptick EBITDA from that acquisition. So net net, I think if you look at the comps, Use the guidance that we provided with respect to that $300,000,000 push down. Speaker 700:35:41That's effectively what we're targeting. Speaker 800:35:44Got it. Okay. Fair enough. Speaker 300:35:47The form of that may not the form of that is probably important to highlight. The form of that may not be a push down. It could be if the IPO markets were to reopen, that could provide a structure to provide the deleveraging as well as the sponsored spin transaction or as stated, We could push it down and also look to do retained stake or just do a straight spin with the debt raise up top at Holdings. Speaker 800:36:19Right. Yes, indeed. Thank you. And by the way, what was that Pure metric that you were talking about on like a dispose debt to Speaker 400:36:27EBITDA, sorry Speaker 800:36:29to clarify that. Just what are you seeing amongst Speaker 300:36:33Yes. And I think if you take a look at the constant and you also need to fast forward, right, like Taking the EBITDA kind of growth that Chad had highlighted earlier in the Q and A, But in that kind of 3x to 3.5x Times range seems to be where the comps are sitting today. Speaker 800:36:59Yes. So that makes sense. Speaker 300:37:01Some are obviously lower, but I think if you look at the comps that have done acquisitions, it's in that range. Speaker 800:37:07Yes. And then, Deepa, and sorry to clarify this earlier, the commentary on Sure. How lumpy is the win supposed to be? I mean, obviously, nice success this year at about $250,000,000 but in future periods, obviously, this off Sure stuff is fairly lumpy. Just I want to make sure I heard your commentary right there. Speaker 700:37:31The wind business is more project driven than our traditional utility services work. So it will be A bit lumpier. We have $525,000,000 under contract currently. We expect to do about $250,000,000 in offshore wind revenue this year. We have a nice pipeline of opportunities that are building as that Market in the U. Speaker 700:38:06S. Further develops. We currently have visibility on about $2,500,000,000 of future projects with similar scope of services to what we're currently performing and about $2,600,000,000 of related future work for those future opportunities, but we're pleased with the competitive position that Riggs Distler has established With a first mover advantage from participation in the significant number of the initial projects currently under development. Speaker 300:38:42Hey, Julien, this is Rob. Just to build on what Chad just said, the growth in that business No, it has been significant. I think the Century Group's signing contracts almost every month on these wind projects. And While it may be lumpy, it's obviously extremely positive for the rigs business. It demonstrates their ability to execute And it's a business that we're not doing, it's important to clarify, we're not doing the workout in the water. Speaker 300:39:14We're pouring foundations and doing that work onshore. Speaker 500:39:19Hey, Julian, this is Paul. One thing to note, although We don't have an MSA like our traditional T and D MSAs. We do have a framework agreement with our client That is long term. In fact, there's no end date to it. That is as they get additional contracts or additional work, We'll get additional work too. Speaker 800:39:43Excellent. Glad to hear. Thank you guys for clarifying that. I really appreciate all the details. And take care. Speaker 800:39:48Good luck. We'll speak soon. Speaker 100:39:50Thanks. Thanks, Julie. Operator00:39:54As we have no further questions, This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Moran for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:40:05Thank you, Rajnami. Thank you all for joining us today. This concludes our conference call. Thank you for your interest in Southwest Gas Holdings and have a good day. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tom Moran, General Counsel, Southwest Gas Holdings. Operator00:00:34Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, Vaishnavi. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Throughout the call, we will be referencing presentation slides, which we have posted on our Investor Relations website. I'm joined on today's call by Karen Haller, President and CEO of Southwest Gas Holdings Rob Stefani, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Justin Brown, President of Southwest Gas Corporation Paul Daly, President and CEO of Century Group and Chad Van Sweden, the CFO of Century Group. Please note that on today's call, the company will address certain factors that may impact this year's earnings and provide some longer term guidance. Speaker 100:01:27Some of the information that will be discussed today contains forward looking statements. These statements are based on management's assumptions, which may or may not come true, and you should refer to the language on Slides 23 of this presentation and in the press release as well as our SEC filings for a description of the factors that may cause actual results to differ from our forward looking statements. All forward looking statements are made as of today, And we assume no obligation to update any such statement. I'll now turn the call over to Karen. Speaker 200:02:05Thanks, Tom. I'm pleased you're joining us today to discuss the Southwest Gas Holdings' 1st quarter results. Turning to slide 5. We are making significant progress on our transformational strategy of returning Southwest Gas to its Core foundation of the premier fully regulated natural gas utility. We are enhancing efficiency and productivity across our operations and pursuing constructive break case outcomes of utility, while also preparing Sentry for its future as a strong Standalone Infrastructure Services Leader. Speaker 200:02:42Customer growth and demand remains strong and we continue to benefit from population growth across our service territories. As a result, we believe Southwest Gas Uniquely positioned for continued growth and success as we safely address the needs of our customers, invest in the communities we serve and deliver value for our shareholders. We are strategically deploying capital, investing in our operations so that we can meet the demand for safe, We are confident in our momentum and remain on track to deliver 5% to 7% CAGR in rate base growth over the next 3 years, while also maintaining a strong investment grade balance sheet and delivering a competitive dividend to our stockholders. As you can see on Slide 6, we are making excellent progress on our 2023 strategic priorities. We completed several key strategic milestones during the Q1, including the $1,500,000,000 cell of Mountain West and the RAZRes process earlier this year to confirm our financing plan for 2023. Speaker 200:04:03Under the financing plan, During the Q1, we issued $247,000,000 of equity at Southwest Holdings and $300,000,000 of debt at Southwest Gas. In mid April, we issued a $550,000,000 term loan at Southwest Holdings. Operator00:04:21We continue to Speaker 200:04:22see limited near term equity needs for 2024 and 2025 and anticipate equity needs of less than $100,000,000 in total through the end of 2025. We remain on track with the Century spend. We submitted an IRS private letter ruling requesting request during the Q1 and filed notice of intent with the SEC in April. Our team is now focused on the As previously stated, we expect to complete the spend of Centuri during the Q4 of 2023 for the Q1 of 2024. At the utility, we are focused on the utility optimization review and will begin prioritizing Later this year, as I will cover in more detail. Speaker 200:05:12Of note on the regulatory side, in the quarter, We finalized our Arizona general rate case, which led to the ACC's approval and authorization of the largest revenue increase in Southwest Gas Industry, $54,000,000 with rates effective February 1, 2023. We also filed a proposed change to the Arizona PGA Recovery mechanism in late February. And lastly, we expect to file our Nevada rate case in the Q3 of this year. We are pleased with our continued progress and our strategic plan is on track. On Slide 7, We walked through our strong Q1 performance at Southwest and Century. Speaker 200:05:57We are proud to announce that at At Utility, we delivered the highest quarterly net income on record. We experienced another quarter of strong adding 42,000 new meter sets over the last 12 months, while continuing to make investments to ensure our system remains safe and reliable for the benefit of our customers. At Centuri, we announced record setting 1st quarter revenue and EBITDA. This strong first quarter performance reduced Century's last 12 months net debt to EBITDA multiple half a turn or 0.5 times from the prior quarter. Century also grew its offshore wind portfolio and showcased continued growth of its strong base of gas and electric utility customers. Speaker 200:06:47As Paul will discuss, Century continues to win new business based on the strength of its relationships and capabilities and is well positioned to play a critical role in the continuing energy transition. As shown on Slide 8, we've been actively advancing a multi step evaluation process to optimize the performance of the utility through a comprehensive review and identification of potential optimization opportunities. We recently hired consultants, including a top business and management firm to complement the work we have been doing internally to assist us in our deep dive review into the This review is about ensuring the investments we are making are efficient, targeted and positively contributing to building a solid foundation for future success. We anticipate this identification process will continue through the And then we will refine and develop prioritized action plans by identifying cost savings and efficiency opportunities to execute on over the next couple of years. This process will help support the tremendous growth we have across Our service territory, pass on savings to our customers, improve ROEs and result in positive returns for our stockholders. Speaker 200:08:14We also believe these efforts will complement our commitment Delivering excellent customer service and operational efficiency. As I mentioned previously, We added 42,000 new utility customers during the past 12 months and expect to continue to benefit from strong demographic and Economic Growth in the Southwest. Between 20232028, population growth is projected to be 3.76% in Arizona and 3.9% in Nevada. New customer growth combined with our pipeline replacement activities associated with our safety and integrity management programs are the cornerstones of our $2,000,000,000 3 year capital expenditure program. We are committed to working collaboratively with our regulators to ensure these investments get moved into rate base in a timely manner, either through rate cases or tracker programs. Speaker 200:09:19These commitments and efforts have delivered approximately 10% authorized rate base CAGR over the past 5 years and we expect to continue to grow our rate base at a compound annual growth rate of 5% to 7% over the next 3 years. I will now turn the call over to Rob, who will review our financial performance for the quarter. Speaker 300:09:45Thanks, Karen. On slide 11, we outline our earnings per share performance for the Q1. The company's consolidated GAAP and adjusted EPS are shown by each operating company. As Karen mentioned earlier, the utility of Century Each had a record setting Q1. The utility recorded its highest quarterly net income on record. Speaker 300:10:07Centuri recorded its highest ever 1st quarter revenue and EBITDA. On an adjusted basis, we finished the Q1 of 2023 with EPS of $1.69 per share versus an adjusted EPS of $1.74 per share from the year prior, which included a full 3 months of Mt. West. The company concluded the sale of Mt. West in February 2023. Speaker 300:10:34Excluding Mountain West from each quarter, the Q1 adjusted EPS increased approximately 11% from the prior year Q1. In the appendix, we provide a reconciliation of adjustments by operating company. The vast majority of the Q1 adjustments relate to the sale of Mountain West, About $73,000,000 pre tax, including expenses associated with the disintegration with a small incremental amount related to the Century and incremental Mountain West cost prior to the sale. Now, I'd like to provide a walk through the performance of each operating company. Moving on to Slide 12, you will see the year over year performance drivers for our utility, Southwest Gas Corporation. Speaker 300:11:19In the Q1 of 2023, utility gross margin increased by $34,000,000 compared to last year. This improvement was primarily driven by the combination of customer growth and rate relief. New rates went into effect for the full quarter in Nevada in 2023 and since February 1, 2023 in Arizona, including approved regulatory trackers. Also included is revenue from the Arizona Vintage Steel Pipe and customer owned yard line programs and other increases we described in our Form 10 Q filed earlier this morning. O and M increased $12,000,000 between quarters approximately $4,000,000 of which was due to increased cost of Fuel used in our Great Basin operation, which is recorded in O and M, but which is offset in margin, so is net neutral to earnings. Speaker 300:12:11Other drivers contributing to the cost increases include outside services, combined lead survey and line locating as well as insurance related claims. Other income increased $17,000,000 compared to last year. This was driven by increased interest income related to carrying costs associated with regulatory account balances, largely related to the purchase gas cost recovery mechanisms and favorable quarter over quarter changes in non related components of employee and post retirement benefits as well as improvement in investment returns underlying the company owned life insurance policy values. Interest expense increased by $12,000,000 from the prior year, primarily due to interest associated with senior notes issued in 20222023, as well as the $450,000,000 term loan issued in January of this year to support gas purchases. Depreciation and amortization increased marginally, Including offsetting reduction in amortization related to certain regulatory account balances. Speaker 300:13:13Moving on to Centuri's results this past Slide 13 reviews the drivers behind Centuri's record first quarter adjusted EBITDA results. Centuri's 1st quarter revenues increased by 100 and $29,000,000 compared to the prior year. This increase was driven by offshore wind projects at Riggs Dessler, emergency response and a large gas project delivering natural gas to a battery factory in the Midwest. Centuri's revenues were partially offset by corresponding Operating expenses driven by higher volume of infrastructure services provided and increased subcontractor costs on offshore wind projects. Additionally, Centuri saw increased interest expense because of higher SOVR interest rates on outstanding variable rate borrowings quarter over quarter. Speaker 300:14:00Centuri is well positioned to continue serving its long term customers, while leveraging our geographic reach and expertise to serve new customers and markets. We are very excited about the opportunities we see in 2023 and beyond for Centuri. Centuri has strong momentum heading into the rest of the year. On Slide 14, we outline our recently completed 2023 financing plan for Southwest Gas Holdings and Southwest Gas Corporation. As Karen noted, we do not anticipate meaningful equity needs in 2024 through 2025. Speaker 300:14:31In total, for For the 2024 through 2025 period, we currently expect less than $100,000,000 in equity issuance at Southwest Gas Holdings. This happens as the PGA is expected to unwind generating significant cash flows as Justin will discuss later in the call. At Holdings, we plan to target an FFO debt ratio of approximately 14% by 2025 and our recently executed financing plan puts us on a path toward that. Now, I'll turn it over to Justin Brown, President of the Utility to review Southwest Gas Corporation's to operational highlights. Speaker 400:15:06Thank you, Rob. Starting on Slide 16, we provide an overview of our most recent Arizona rate case With new rates that became effective February 1. In addition to being the single largest increase we've ever experienced in a rate case, There are several other key aspects of the case that are important to highlight. 1st, reaching agreement prior to hearing to use a target equity layer of 50 And an improved authorized ROE of 9.3%. 2nd, authorization to use a post test your plant adjustment consisting of 12 months, A finding that all our gas purchases were prudently incurred. Speaker 400:15:42And lastly, the continuation of key regulatory mechanisms like our full revenue decoupling, Our customer owned yard line program, our property tax tracker and our income tax tracker. We believe that each of these items and this outcome helps demonstrate our collaborative approach and constructive relationships with the ACC, ACC staff and other stakeholders. We're also actively preparing for and evaluating other future rate case filings across our various jurisdictions. We remain on schedule to file a Nevada rate case later this year and we're continuing to target a 3rd quarter filing. We are currently evaluating our needs in Arizona and determining the appropriate time for filing our next Arizona rate case. Speaker 400:16:25Given our existing 5 year rate case schedule in California, we plan to file our next rate case in the Q3 of 2024. And lastly, we're also evaluating the timing of our next Great Basin rate case. And due to a prior settlement commitment, we know that that filing will occur prior to June of 2025. Turning to Slide 17, we highlight other recent regulatory filings that are currently pending before our commissions as well as some other recent constructive outcomes. First, in Arizona, we have 3 filings currently pending. Speaker 400:16:58Our request to modify our PGA mechanism, our annual coil surcharge filing requesting $4,300,000 in surcharge revenue and our recently filed notice of reorganization to separate Century from Southwest Holdings. We expect each of these meeting agenda in the near future. In Nevada, we recently received approval of an all party settlement for our annual rate adjustment filing. As part of this proceeding, the parties in the commission also review our gas purchases during the test period and found them to be reasonable and prudent. As we mentioned on the last call, we also have 2 filings pending in California. Speaker 400:17:47If the filings are approved, we believe both projects will Instrumental in clean energy technology development and demonstrating the role natural gas plays in a sustainable energy future by providing energy reliability, resiliency and security to customers, while also lowering GHG emissions and helping support on-site combined heat and power and solar generation development. Great Basin has also made a couple of recent filings with the FERC for various replacement and expansion work to meet the needs of our Great Basin customers and the increasing demand for natural gas across Northern Nevada and Northern California. The FERC already issued a certificate of public convenience and necessity for our proposed mainline replacement project And we anticipate construction to start later this summer. Completion of this project will coincide with the timing of our next rate case to minimize any regulatory lag associated with the project. We just filed a request for the proposed expansion project, but upon FERC approval, New rates will become effective immediately upon completion of the project since it is a fully contracted expansion. Speaker 400:18:55We currently anticipate approval and completion of that project prior to the end of next year. Turning to Slide 18, earlier this year Governor Lombardo Executive order in Nevada highlighting its energy priorities and policy objectives for the next decade. The executive order articulates Support for an all of the above approach to energy, placing an emphasis on affordability and reliability, as well as the important role energy plays in economic Development as well as his commitment to ensure safe, reliable and affordable energy remains available to all Nevadans, including ensuring that Nevada Homes and Businesses have access to natural gas for use in their homes and businesses. Consistent with this executive order, we've been working with various stakeholders, including the Public Utilities Commission of Nevada on legislation that would establish a robust and thoughtful approach to natural gas planning. The proposed legislation will require gas Utilities to make filings every 3 years identifying customer demands, resource plans for meeting those demands, including creating pathways for pursuing clean fuel technologies like hydrogen and renewable natural gas, as well as expanded opportunities for energy efficiency programs for our customers. Speaker 400:20:16The legislation will also ensure alignment among all stakeholders by providing Gas Utilities the opportunity to seek pre approval of these investments before investments are actually made. The legislation was voted out of committee unanimously and is currently working its way through the legislative process. Turning to Slide 19, this past winter we experienced colder than forecasted weather, interstate pipeline outages And lower storage inventories in the Western Half of the United States that constrain supplies resulting in higher gas costs. The colder than normal weather necessitated a greater quantity of purchased gas to meet customer demand across our service territory, resulting in a significant increase in our PGA balances during the quarter. Slide 19 provides an update of our PGA balances at the end of the quarter and an overview of We continue to maintain constructive gas cost recovery mechanisms in each of our jurisdictions that allow us to timely recover these costs with monthly or quarterly rate changes. Speaker 400:21:22As shown on the graph, we anticipate Significant recoveries over the next couple of years as we recover these gas costs and start to see our PGA balances come down. This will also provide enhanced cash flows to help cover financing needs over the next couple of years. I'll now turn the call over to Paul Daley, President and CEO of Century Group. Speaker 500:21:43Thanks, Justin. Turning to slide 20, we are excited about our continued progress towards our future as a standalone Strategic utility infrastructure services later. We continue to benefit from strong tailwinds across utility end markets as support Century's long term growth. And we expect this growth will accelerate as we deliver on opportunities In the electric T and D hardening and expansion, 5 gsdatacom build out, offshore wind and other renewable and energy transition programs. Importantly, as we work towards our pending spin, we have the resources, capabilities and business structure to continue to deliver on our growth opportunities. Speaker 500:22:27On slide 21, I will dive deeper into our customer and project expansion efforts. Our customer relationships are built on a strong foundation of partnerships and collaboration and we are trusted to for their long term capital spending programs. We are also building new relationships and expanding our work across North America. During the quarter, we signed and began work on $125,000,000 gas pipeline construction contract in Indiana to an electric vehicle battery plant. We expect to continue to benefit from the strong sector tailwinds across Our gas and electric T and D markets as well as significant multi year opportunities in 5 gs and offshore wind related infrastructure. Speaker 500:23:15We are making particularly strong progress in expanding our clean energy projects. Today, we have secured wind contracts Worth more than $525,000,000 for the supply and fabrication of wind towers secondary steel assemblies capable of generating 2.9 gigawatts of clean energy. We recorded $47,500,000 of revenue during the Q1 for our sustainable wind energy projects and we're projecting to deliver approximately $250,000,000 of wind energy revenues for the full year. Today, our start up productivity fabricating the first 5% of the tower assemblies is close to achieving budgeted full production With our scale and expertise, our operating companies were called upon for support Following a number of tornadoes and other storms that left countless communities in the Southeast and Northeast without power during the Q1. Operator00:24:17Our approach Speaker 500:24:17to serving those in need is differentiated through a consolidated offering, which is delivered through multiple operating companies. During the quarter, we deployed nearly 1200 employees across 22 states for this restoration work. Slide 22 highlights Centuri's strong financial performance over the past year. While we continue to face some of the headwinds that we Additionally, revenue growth remains strong. As both Karen and Rob mentioned earlier, we delivered both record revenue, 1st quarter revenues and EBITDA. Speaker 500:25:03Of note, the strong growth trajectory can be seen in our legacy Century business as well as the more recently added Rich Distler operations. And as you can see in the charts on the right, our portfolio has become much with no one geography representing more than 11% of revenues. We look forward to sharing our progress in the coming year as we work toward With that, I'll turn it back to Karen. Speaker 200:25:41Thanks, Paul. On Slide 20 We cover our outlook and guidance for the remainder of the year. We are reaffirming company guidance at both Utility and Scentry. We are confident that each business' strong first quarter performance will help drive full year results in line with the guidance we initiated last As you know, Century's business is seasonal with most of the activity occurring in the 2nd and third quarters. On Slide 25, we would like to reiterate that Southwest Gas Holdings remains committed to paying a competitive dividend to our stockholders. Speaker 200:26:19We are holding the dividend flat in 2023 and will revisit our pro form a dividend policy closer to execution of the Century spend in the Q4 of 2023 or Q1 of 2024. Looking ahead, we expect to maintain a payout ratio competitive with utility peers and expect to consider the run rate level of earnings of the fully regulated business considering expected rate case outcomes in California, Arizona and Nevada. Before we open the call up to Q and A, I want to emphasize That our teams are focused on executing our 2023 strategic priorities, delivering strong financial results and providing exceptional service to our customers. At Southwest Gas Holdings, we are confident in our path forward as a premier pure play natural gas We will continue delivering steady organic rate base growth through strong regional demand dynamics as well as earnings growth through financial discipline, operational excellence and constructive regulatory relationships. We're advancing towards the planned tax free spin of Centri putting the company in a better position to align with stockholders and delever the business organically with healthy cash flow generation. Speaker 200:27:42With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator00:27:46Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Chris Ellinghaus with Seaberg William Shanks. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:28:25Hey, everybody. Hey, Chris. On Centuri growth, the 9% to 11% EBITDA Does that suggest that you anticipate more offshore wind contracts that will help To fill in the gap for your contracted EBITDA over the next couple of years? Speaker 700:28:53It does not assume any additional contracts from what we have currently Contracted for, which is about $525,000,000 We do anticipate that there will be additional Offshore wind revenues, but it's not dependent on there being additional offshore wind revenue. Speaker 600:29:18So are you anticipating any sort of ongoing maintenance value in the offshore business? Speaker 700:29:27We are not. We're not expecting to have MSA contracts like we do for our gas and electric utility services on the offshore wind side. Speaker 600:29:40Also given the sort of Population growth that you talked about, which is really quite strong, is there anticipated upside to the 3 year rate base CAGR for the gas utility? Speaker 400:30:00Hey, Chris, it's Justin. At this point in time, we're continuing to monitor. We saw a little bit of a downturn Last fall, right, but then we've noticed this Q1 things continue to go pretty well. And so I think it's something we're monitoring closely, but at this time, we're Still kind of in line with what our expectations are on CapEx growth for the guidance we've given. Speaker 600:30:27Okay. Justin, can you also sort of address what you're seeing in migration and your housing markets, Given what's up with the economy and interest rates of late? Speaker 400:30:44Yes. I mean, I think I actually saw something recently where like Penske had some survey where they do on trucks Moving and it's like Arizona and Nevada in the top 4 and they have been the last 2 years. So I think to your point, I think our service territory continues to Remain in a very attractive part of the country where people are relocating to. And I think that's why when we look over the last couple of years and the fact that we added 42,000 first time meter sets over the last 12 months. It's just something we continue to see growth and we're excited about. Speaker 600:31:20Okay, great. One last thing, the PGA balances, where do you see the PGA ending up at the end of 24, so what is sort of that draw down from the $900,000,000 plus that you expect? Speaker 400:31:40Yes. So I think a lot of it's heavily dependent on gas prices, right, because as you draw down, you backfill with gas prices. But I think if you look at that chart, I think that kind of gives you a ballpark idea of kind of what we expect to come in assuming kind of a stabilized Level of gas prices. Speaker 600:32:01Okay, great. Thanks a bunch. Appreciate the color. Operator00:32:11Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:32:18Hey, good morning, team. Thank you all very much for the commentary. Good morning. Karen, if I can just to jump in, I heard your commentary about pursuing a deep dive into the current cost structure. Obviously, Expecting to effectuate a spin hopefully later this year, if not early next, what's the timeline for kind of a fully revamped view inclusive of some of these latest Cost efforts at the on the utility side and or across both, right? Speaker 800:32:47I mean, when do you think you'll come back with kind of an updated view On your overall earnings profile, if you will. Is that something prior to the spin? Speaker 200:32:58Yes. We're currently working with our consultants And looking at all of the deep dive right now, so we're continuing to go through that process and we'll do so through the Q2. I believe by the Q3, we should be able to start looking at identifying what some of those initiatives are going to be and then looking at prioritizing those in the 3rd Q4 as we move forward to execute all of those. So it's a process We're in process. I believe that for the spend depending upon the time of the spend, you may be able to execute or start executing on some of those optimization initiatives, but a lot of that will That answer depends upon the timing of the spend, which we've identified as the Q4 or Q1 of next year. Speaker 800:33:51Got it. So it sounds like it aligns fairly well. And then just on the credit side, I heard the commentary today and Nicely done on the latest efforts here. But can you elaborate a little bit more about the target leverage metrics at the SpinCo, just to kind of think through What that looks like in tandem with your expectations on achieving the 14% at, call it, parent co by 25%, just I want to make sure I understand Where the debt allocation is traveling and just what your expectations are on what that might cost etcetera on the SpinCo? Speaker 300:34:25Hey, Julien, it's Rob. Thanks for the question. I think as was exhibited in the Q1, Century is To organically delever and they delevered about a half a turn from the prior quarter. We'll look for them to continue that progress throughout the year. We went through the RAS, RES process and as indicated In the year end call, we targeted approximately a $300,000,000,000 deleveraging effort at Century. Speaker 300:34:59We'll continue to evaluate The amount that we expect that that would put them kind of in line with the current comp universe, who has also done acquisitions recently. The Century Group continues to Integrate the Riggs acquisition. And I think as you're seeing from this quarter's financial results, we're starting to get an uptick EBITDA from that acquisition. So net net, I think if you look at the comps, Use the guidance that we provided with respect to that $300,000,000 push down. Speaker 700:35:41That's effectively what we're targeting. Speaker 800:35:44Got it. Okay. Fair enough. Speaker 300:35:47The form of that may not the form of that is probably important to highlight. The form of that may not be a push down. It could be if the IPO markets were to reopen, that could provide a structure to provide the deleveraging as well as the sponsored spin transaction or as stated, We could push it down and also look to do retained stake or just do a straight spin with the debt raise up top at Holdings. Speaker 800:36:19Right. Yes, indeed. Thank you. And by the way, what was that Pure metric that you were talking about on like a dispose debt to Speaker 400:36:27EBITDA, sorry Speaker 800:36:29to clarify that. Just what are you seeing amongst Speaker 300:36:33Yes. And I think if you take a look at the constant and you also need to fast forward, right, like Taking the EBITDA kind of growth that Chad had highlighted earlier in the Q and A, But in that kind of 3x to 3.5x Times range seems to be where the comps are sitting today. Speaker 800:36:59Yes. So that makes sense. Speaker 300:37:01Some are obviously lower, but I think if you look at the comps that have done acquisitions, it's in that range. Speaker 800:37:07Yes. And then, Deepa, and sorry to clarify this earlier, the commentary on Sure. How lumpy is the win supposed to be? I mean, obviously, nice success this year at about $250,000,000 but in future periods, obviously, this off Sure stuff is fairly lumpy. Just I want to make sure I heard your commentary right there. Speaker 700:37:31The wind business is more project driven than our traditional utility services work. So it will be A bit lumpier. We have $525,000,000 under contract currently. We expect to do about $250,000,000 in offshore wind revenue this year. We have a nice pipeline of opportunities that are building as that Market in the U. Speaker 700:38:06S. Further develops. We currently have visibility on about $2,500,000,000 of future projects with similar scope of services to what we're currently performing and about $2,600,000,000 of related future work for those future opportunities, but we're pleased with the competitive position that Riggs Distler has established With a first mover advantage from participation in the significant number of the initial projects currently under development. Speaker 300:38:42Hey, Julien, this is Rob. Just to build on what Chad just said, the growth in that business No, it has been significant. I think the Century Group's signing contracts almost every month on these wind projects. And While it may be lumpy, it's obviously extremely positive for the rigs business. It demonstrates their ability to execute And it's a business that we're not doing, it's important to clarify, we're not doing the workout in the water. Speaker 300:39:14We're pouring foundations and doing that work onshore. Speaker 500:39:19Hey, Julian, this is Paul. One thing to note, although We don't have an MSA like our traditional T and D MSAs. We do have a framework agreement with our client That is long term. In fact, there's no end date to it. That is as they get additional contracts or additional work, We'll get additional work too. Speaker 800:39:43Excellent. Glad to hear. Thank you guys for clarifying that. I really appreciate all the details. And take care. Speaker 800:39:48Good luck. We'll speak soon. Speaker 100:39:50Thanks. Thanks, Julie. Operator00:39:54As we have no further questions, This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Moran for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:40:05Thank you, Rajnami. Thank you all for joining us today. This concludes our conference call. Thank you for your interest in Southwest Gas Holdings and have a good day. Operator00:40:22This concludes today's Southwest Gas Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time. Have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by