Five Point Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 20, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the 5 Point's Businesses Q2 2023 Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Today's conference may include forward looking statements regarding Five Point's business, financial condition, operations, cash flow, strategy and prospects. Forward looking statements represent Five Point's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results. Because forward looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties.

Operator

Many factors could affect future results and may cause Five Point's actual activities or results to differ materially from the activities and results and anticipated in forward looking statements. These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the Risk Factors section of Five Point's most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC. Please note that the Five Point assumes No obligation to update any forward looking statements. Now, I

Speaker 1

would like to turn

Operator

the call over to Dan Hennigant, Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today, Leo Key, Our Interim Chief Financial Officer Mike Alvarado, our Chief Legal Officer and Kim Tober, our Vice President, Treasury and Tax. Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman is joining us remotely. I'm pleased to update you today on the progress of the company through the Q2 of 2023.

Speaker 2

I will also update you on our team's focus during the quarter and the steps we are taking to implement our strategic priorities in 2023. Next, Leo will give an overview of the company's financial performance and conditions. We'll then open the line for questions to our management team. Let me begin by telling you we have made considerable progress since I last spoke to you in advancing our business and to that end we have continued focusing on Our business and executing on our 3 main priorities, generating revenue and other positive cash events, Managing and rightsizing our SG and A and managing and limiting our capital spend and matching those expenditures as much as possible to revenue events. As a result, we ended the quarter with consolidated net income of $50,600,000 as Compared to a net loss of $9,700,000 for the Q1.

Speaker 2

Our balance sheet reflects $193,200,000 of cash on hand Versus $106,600,000 at the end of the Q1 with $0 drawn on our $125,000,000 revolver, Giving us liquidity of $318,200,000 today versus $231,600,000 last quarter and improving our debt to cap ratio to 24.7% versus 25.2% last quarter. We also have no principal debt repayment obligations on our senior notes this year or next. These results reflect the team's efforts and focus on our priorities. At the beginning of the year, we provided guidance that for the first half of the year, we expect a negative cash flow of $24,000,000 to $56,000,000 In fact, for the first half of the year, we generated positive cash flow of $61,400,000 fortifying Our balance sheet and positioning Five Point for future success. Along with significant improvement in revenue and cash flow, We've been able to hold our SG and A and check with SG and A of $12,700,000 this quarter versus $13,800,000 last quarter And $26,500,000 for the 1st 6 months of 2023 versus $29,400,000 for the 1st 6 months of 2022.

Speaker 2

With respect to managing our capital spend, for the 1st 6 months we spent $46,800,000 before recoveries in capitalized interest As compared to our guidance at the beginning of the year of $45,000,000 to $55,000,000 and compared to $63,100,000 for the 1st 6 months Our strong financial results are due to a combination of focused management as well as a constructive economic environment. From an economic perspective, The challenges from interest rate increases and the banking crisis from earlier in the year began to dissipate during the Q2. The housing market began to stabilize as homebuyers adjusted to and accepted higher interest rates. Interest rate fluctuations have moderated And we're seeing more major rate movements that allow the market to adjust in an orderly fashion. A particular note, resale home inventory remains very low, Increasing interest in and demand for new homes.

Speaker 2

While affordability continues to be a challenge, housing continues to be in short supply in our California markets And there is still demand for well located homes and master planned communities. On the commercial land side of our business, We're seeing strong interest in our unique commercial land offerings at the Great Park and Valencia. We continue to have low vacancy rates in industrial market in our communities, We expect we'll continue to drive demand in this preferred asset class, notwithstanding the adjustments that capital markets have made in the commercial market segment. I'll now provide some updates on each of our communities. The open Builder Neighborhoods at the Great Park continue to sell homes with a strong increase in sales in the first half of this year compared to second half of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2

During the Q2, builders in our Great Park community sold 177 homes. Soles Park, which and currently has only 200 homes remaining to sell out of the original 849 homes. As we discussed last quarter, We're seeing strong homebuilder interest in acquiring homesites at Great Park. On our prior call, I mentioned that we were actively engaged in the process of selling the remaining 81 Homesites in Rise Community and 770 Homesites in our next community District 5 South. That transaction closed in May of this year The Great Park Venture recognized $357,800,000 of revenue.

Speaker 2

Also in the second quarter, The Great Park Venture received $61,000,000 of CFD proceeds as reimbursement for public improvements the Venture had completed or paid for. With this pace of new home sales, we are continuing to see strong builder interest in acquiring new home sites at Great Park. During the quarter, we entered escrowed for the sale of another 82 homes program, which we anticipate closing by year end. We're also negotiating the sale of another 104 home sites with the close anticipated in early 2024. On top of the ongoing residential opportunities at Great Park, We continue to market and sell our commercial land, including the industrial land offerings that we brought to market in August last year, as well as other commercial oriented uses.

Speaker 2

While not the most opportune time to enter the market, our location in the heart of Orange County has supported strong interest. Our commercial parcels are unique, are a limited resource and offered to the South Orange County market something that has not been available for years. Large parcels of entitled land with flexible zoning allows a multitude of uses, including industrial, distribution, life sciences, R and D and office amongst others. To that end, we anticipate closing sales on approximately 40 acres either by the end of this year or early next year. After these residential and commercial sales, the Great Park venture will have about 2 95 acres remaining.

Speaker 2

Depending on pace of sales, Would expect to be through remaining inventory at Great Park in 5 to 8 years. In Valencia, New home sales by builders totaled 79 homes during the Q2. As of mid July, 1100 homes from our initial offering of 1268 homes have been sold with only 168 homes remaining. Motors have now opened the models in 2 of the 8 new neighborhoods in the next area of Valencia, which encompasses 598 Homes. Like Irvine, Those are again engaged with us in Valencia and we entered into one new land sale contract during the quarter anticipate finalizing another, both of which we anticipate will close during the Q3.

Speaker 2

We also anticipate signing a 3rd land sale contract that we believe will close by year end. We We also continue to market a prime 35 acre commercial site in the community. We expect to have more to report on that later in the year. While we didn't have land sales in Blenchant in the first half of the year and instead of planning for sales to close in the second half of the year, We're still able to execute on some significant reimbursements and recoveries. If you recall that we reported a $17,700,000 CFD reimbursement in the Q1.

Speaker 2

Additionally, in the Q2, we collected a $44,500,000 recovery from a third party arising out of prior work that performed at the project. From an accounting perspective, these amounts have been offset against our inventory costs, ultimately increase our gross margin of Valencia sales. As you've heard me state in the past, San Francisco remains a priority for Five Point and we are progressing our efforts to establish Candlestick as a standalone project, Separate from, but complementary to the ultimate development of 100 Point Shipyard Site, when it has completed its remediation by the Navy. These efforts include working with the city and county agencies to rebalance the current development entitlements between the two areas. I'm currently working with the city to update the existing tax increment financing timelines to account for the Navy delays at Hunters Point.

Speaker 2

We believe that we are building momentum on resolving these issues, which will allow us to unlock the standalone development of Candlestick as the 1st phase is this larger mixed use community located on irreplaceable land along the San Francisco Bay. As we look ahead, we're starting to build confidence and certainty in our expectations for future accomplishments. Although our business is often dependent on government approvals And a confidence can be pushed from 1 quarter to another, we're building visibility in the future quarters and years. To that end, we expect in the second half of twenty twenty three to be able to reduce an additional $50,000,000 to $70,000,000 of net income And it generates additional cash flow as well, ending the year with a cash balance of $250,000,000 to $300,000,000 While Some of these results can be pushed quarter to quarter or the next year. We're focused on generating revenue, managing SG and A And managing our capital spend.

Speaker 2

We have positive momentum and remain optimistic about our future. Land development is a long game and we're just the beginning of the game at some of our communities, but they're not making any more land and there will never be an abundance in title land in California. Our efforts today are ensuring we are well positioned for that long game, while recognizing the importance of focus on creating and maintaining Shareholder value. Now let me turn over to Leo, who will report on the financial results.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Dan. A summary of our financial results was included in the earnings release issued earlier today, in which we reported consolidated Net income of $50,600,000 for the quarter. We recognized $21,300,000 in revenue That was primarily generated by management services provided by our management company. Selling, general and administrative expenses We're $12,700,000 which is consistent with the average of $12,900,000 that we have reported over the past 4 quarters. Cost of management services was $9,700,000 which includes $8,000,000 for intangible asset amortization expense At our Great Park segment, equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities for the quarter was $52,100,000 and primarily results represents our interest and net income generated at the Great Park Venture.

Speaker 3

Turning to the balance sheet and liquidity. Our net decrease in inventory for the quarter was 5,700,000 This includes a decrease for a non recurring $44,500,000 recovery from a third party related to certain project development costs At our Valencia segment and includes an increase for accrued capitalized interest on our senior notes of $12,300,000 Excluding the recovery and capitalized interest, the resulting increase in inventory of 20 In addition to $700,000 of interest, we paid $2,500,000 against our San Francisco segment's Related party reimbursement obligation during the quarter. Approximately $8,400,000 of this reimbursement obligation That was previously expected to be paid in the Q2 has been deferred to 2024. Our related party has a history We are receiving maturity date extensions and we expect additional deferrals during the second half of twenty twenty three. Total liquidity was $318,200,000 at quarter end and is comprised of $193,200,000 of cash and cash equivalents and $125,000,000 of available borrowing capacity under our revolving credit facility.

Speaker 3

No borrowings or letters of credit were outstanding against the revolver as of June 30. In addition, no principal payments are currently due on our senior notes nor are any payments currently due on our payable pursuant to our tax receivable agreement. Our debt to total capitalization ratio We're stable at 24.7 percent and our net debt to capitalization ratio after taking into account our cash balance was 18.5%. Turning to our statement of operations. The company has 4 reporting segments: Valencia, San Francisco, Great Park and Commercial segment results are as follows.

Speaker 3

The Valencia segment recognized a $4,500,000 loss for the quarter. As no sales were closed, most of this loss was comprised of Selling, general and administrative expenses of $3,400,000 related to employee compensation as well as selling and marketing expenses in support of our active development areas and the pursuit of 2023 land sales. The San Francisco segment Recognized a loss of $885,000 for the quarter. This loss is comprised of general and administrative costs incurred to support the segment's Continued focus on rebalancing the current entitlement between Candlestick and Hunters Point Shipyard Sites as well as working with the city to update the existing tax increment financing timelines. Our Great Park segment reported net income of $179,100,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 3

This was comprised of $168,200,000 for the Venture's operations and $10,900,000 in net income generated by our management company. The Venture's operations recognized revenue of $360,600,000 during the quarter. Most of this revenue is comprised of $357,800,000 recognized from the sale of 798 home sites on approximately 84 acres of land adjacent to the Venture's Solace and Rise neighborhoods. The Venture's land sale agreement was comprised of a fixed amount paid at closing and a price participation rate to be paid from future homebuilder sales. Accordingly, the revenue recognized consists of $214,700,000 Paid at closing plus $143,000,000 for recognition of a contract asset representing the Venture's estimate A variable consideration from future price participation payments.

Speaker 3

Liventure recognizes contract revenue upon satisfaction of contract performance obligations and reports contract assets when there is a timing difference between recognition of revenue And the variable consideration becoming due. After completing the land sale, the Great Park Venture made aggregate distributions of $25,500,000 to holders of legacy interest and $218,000,000 to holders of percentage interest. We received $81,800,000 for our 37.5% interest. Offsetting these revenues were cost of sales of $165,700,000 SG and A of $1,800,000 And related party management fee expense of $27,400,000 Management fee expense is comprised $3,000,000 of monthly base fee payments and a $24,400,000 increase in accrued incentive compensation, mostly resulting from a change in estimate of aggregate payments probable of being made as the venture makes future distributions. As it relates to the management company, Five Point recognized $20,700,000 in management fee revenues during the quarter, $3,000,000 of which was from monthly base fee payments and a $17,700,000 increase in its incentive compensation contract asset, most of which is related to changes in estimated incentive compensation payments expected to be received as future distributions are made from the venture.

Speaker 3

Offsetting these revenues Expenses of $9,700,000 comprised of $1,700,000 for the cost of providing management services, primarily the project team compensation as well as $8,000,000 of our development management agreement intangible asset amortization expense, resulting from incentive compensation revenue recognized in the quarter. Concurrent with the Venture's distributions paid to its holders of legacy and percent interest, we collected $22,000,000 in incentive compensation payments Under our development management agreement, we own 37.5 percent interest of the Great Park Venture and 100 percent of the management Although the Great Park segment reports the full interest of the Great Park Venture, our investment is reported under Equity method of accounting and therefore the assets, liabilities, result of operations and cash flows are not consolidated within our financial statements. The company's equity and earnings from the Great Park Venture after adjusting for a basis difference was $52,300,000 for the quarter. The Great Park Venture is a self funding operation with no debt and had a cash balance of $140,900,000 at the end of the quarter. Lastly, our commercial segment venture It's a self funding operation and had a cash balance of $5,100,000 at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 3

Like the Great Park Venture, We only own 75 percent of the Great Park Commercial Venture. Our investment in the venture is reported under the Equity method of accounting and therefore the assets, liabilities, cash flows and results of operations of the venture are not consolidated within our financial With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for questions.

Speaker 1

Our first question comes from

Operator

the line of Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 1

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Congrats on the success in the quarter and thanks for all the detail and guidance so far. Dan, I'd love to drill in a little bit on pricing power that you might have with homebuilders right now. Obviously, the land market has really shifted Quite a bit over the last year.

Speaker 1

It was pretty quiet in the back half of last year and now it seems like builders have returned pretty aggressively. And I know it's always a little bit hard to tell just from your reported results exactly what's going on with lot prices. I look at your lot sale in Great Park this quarter. And on a per acre basis, it looks like the price you guys got was a bit lower than kind of what you've received in prior offerings, but I'm sure there's some mix component to that. And you got the Valencia deals under contract.

Speaker 1

So any commentary and color you can give on what's going on with lot prices in your communities would be helpful. And also any guidance you Give on specifically the Valencia sales would be great as well.

Speaker 2

Hello, Alan. Always good to hear from you. What was your I Scott, the first part on lot price, what was your last question about Valencia?

Speaker 1

Just if you can, I know you mentioned you've got, I think, 2 deals under contract right now? I was just Curious if you could give specifics surrounding that in terms of what we might expect in the back half of the year to flow through?

Speaker 2

Okay. Well, first of all, just starting on all of our land, remember that we're using a pop up or some type of participation with all of our builders. And as prices go up, obviously, the revenue we receive is also going to be going up. And so as far as what the market we're seeing today, Alan, you're absolutely right. There is a lot of interest in land, which is driving Up the price of land, but I think part of that where we're also trying to work with the builders to really maximize value It's really trying to work the builders on product.

Speaker 2

As we've all talked about, there's really a constraint in the market on resale homes. So there's some interest a stronger interest in new homes, but we also have to worry about affordability. So what we're finding is that being able to work with the builders 1 on 1 work with them on product and plotting is allowing us actually to increase Our land prices and it's really kind of unique around product and builders, but on all of our transactions, we are getting participation And the larger transaction that you referenced, there is a participation component in that, that if that participation comes through, The per acre land there will be comparable to other land, other similar product, other similar land at the Great Park. So that one, what we've seen in the market and the fact that it actually will be producing revenue over the next couple of years or Participation over the next couple of years, we think there's a real good opportunity to see additional revenue from that transaction. And as far as Valencia goes and there's a couple of sales we have there, in some respects, we are We have some fixed pieces at all of our communities from the standpoint of past development.

Speaker 2

So we're working with a couple of builders up there On product that we think is very saleable in the current market and but I have other negotiations going on, so I don't necessarily want to get into how I'm valuing different sites. It's kind of hard to negotiate these things in public, but What we're finding is that the more we can work with builders to come up with product that addresses the market and the market Segments that have demand, it really is helping us generate stronger land revenue.

Speaker 1

Got it. That's all really helpful, Dan. And I guess just I want to make sure I'm thinking about it correctly. I think you had previously mentioned that the next phase in Valencia was roughly 600 home sites, I think 8 communities. So I'm assuming that's kind of the summation of these 3 deals that you're Referencing or am I mixing things up?

Speaker 2

So the next area that we talked about having 8 communities and your memory is very good. It is about 600 homes. Those sites were all sold to the builders at the end of 2021. So we've had other land that actually was Ready to go and with all the homes we're selling in the first phase, which was close to 1200 homes, we hadn't brought those to the market because of segmentation. But now is that is really winding down, that first phase is winding down.

Speaker 2

We're now taking other land that we had prepared already And we're moving forward with kind of individual transactions that fit well and it's from a segmentation perspective. And so those 600 homes, those will be coming on the next 6 sets of models will be coming on Market over the remainder of the year, but we find that there are segments we can address in other land we already have ready. And those are the 2 transactions we're talking about. And then we have some other opportunities on land that actually is ready to go. And we're really spending a lot of time on those because we're looking at product.

Speaker 2

I really want to be sure that we're thoughtful about product as we move forward and maintain good segmentation.

Speaker 1

I see. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And And if I could just squeeze in one more. The CFD reimbursements or the, I guess, the development reimbursement, that's been a nice, I guess, Surprise, I'm not sure if it's a surprise for you, but surprise for us.

Speaker 1

About $60,000,000 year to date and I know you refer to them as non recurring, but I'm just curious As you look out into the future, if you could give us any visibility on the prospect of getting more reimbursements over the next couple of years?

Speaker 2

Well, in the context of our CFDs, absolutely. We have we talked about a Blencher as a one time recovery there, but all of our CFDs, there For the most part, our public improvements should be heavily funded by CFDs, both at the Great Park and in Valencia. And so as we complete additional work, invest additional capital here in Great Park, it will come back to us through the CFD. And there's at the same time in Valencia as we sell more homes, we're going to have more opportunities to collect under the CFD.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Terence Balchem with Diamant Capital. Please proceed with your

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a good quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

So for the I guess for

Speaker 4

the second half, maybe just piggybacking off the CFD reimbursement, it definitely was a nice surprise. When we think about the cash guide, which I think is implied to be $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 of Cash flow generation over the back half. Is there a way to understand what you expect to be from earnings versus maybe

Speaker 2

So I think What we're certainly there'll be limited CFDs. I'm trying the numbers that we gave you, I think We're talking about a range on net revenue and then we're also talking about our increasing our cash, But almost all of those are going to be from transactions that we have, are working on today and entering into. We don't have a lot of CFD in those. Now the CFD will kind of keep coming in over time as either work is completed, Our homes are completed that allow us to sell additional CFD bonds, but for the most part, what we'll be looking at In the second half of the year, actual transactions that we're working on with various builders.

Speaker 4

Got it. That's helpful. And so for the sales that you're thinking about for the back half, It sounds like you have that land already prepared. Maybe you can help us just think about how we should be viewing CapEx spend for the back half and then maybe as demand seems to be coming off of a trough, how you're thinking about it for 2024 across Different developments.

Speaker 2

Certainly. Well, once again, I'll start with Irvine because I think it's The great park, if you've been out here, there are some backbone infrastructure is still being completed mostly Marine Way. But for the most part, all of the backbone is in the Great Park. Again, Marine Way is probably the biggest section that needs to be completed out there. So from a standpoint of Great Park, almost all the sites we talk to or talk about, Most of the backbone of structure to get those sites are actually already in.

Speaker 2

There's still some to be completed and those would be reimbursed. In Valencia, you're right, we have from past work, we have a number of areas that were graded and we're just getting the opportunity to bring them to the market right now. And so for the most part, everything we're looking at this quarter has limited capital requirements. There's a certain amount of work that has to be done whenever we deliver land, but for the most part, all the heavy lifting has been done on those sites. As we look into 2024, we'll have additional needs to invest capital, but We're also looking at ways as we talked about is utilizing the builders, working with our builders and having them invest some of that Capital, so as we think about Valencia going forward and say we've got land that is mostly ready and as we look at our future, we're really looking at Working with the builders to have them do a lot of that front end capital investment, kind of tying us and them together for the kind of success of the project.

Speaker 2

And we think that model will work pretty well because builders have a real need for pipeline. And so working with them on the capital side will help ensure their pipeline and also get our land completed and developed. So, in all of these, as we talk about those transactions in Valencia or other places, We're always these can always move around quarter to quarter just because there's always government approvals that are tied to all of these. But right now, we're feeling pretty good about what we're suggesting. But I don't ever want anyone to think that we aren't subject to a little bit of The government permitting requirements that everyone in our industry deals with.

Speaker 4

Makes sense. Maybe last one for me and going back to the CFTs. Just so the $60,000,000 received year Dave, can you give us a sense of when you completed the work that those CFTs were attached to? And then any guidance you can give us on what a reasonable number is for Either the first half of twenty twenty four or just the full year?

Speaker 2

Well, first, going back to those, as I think we've been on over kind of the last year, there was a lot of work done by our team with the City of Irvine To allow us to expand on the public improvements that we Cat get reimbursed for through the CFD. So a lot of those efforts that we put in and that mostly happened last year. We were seeing those earlier this year where we were literally catching up for work that we had done. So I think as we go forward You have to understand the difference between Irvine and Valencia Irvine's got a lot of rooftops, So we can pretty much get reimbursed as the work is completed. And I would say that for most part, we're close to caught up there.

Speaker 2

And as we complete work, we'll be able to still achieve near term reimbursements. In Valencia, we're actually out ahead. And so as we complete that's about completing rooftops and getting buyers in, then we have the ability to issue additional bonds and get reimbursed. I don't actually have a number for next year on reimbursement. So I'm not going to try to guess on that at this moment in time.

Speaker 2

But for the most part, we're kind of we're moving through it as quickly as we can both from a standpoint Of completing work that is subject to reimbursement and then having the bonding capacity that's needed through the rooftops in place.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks. That's it for me for now, but I really appreciate it. Thank

Speaker 2

you. You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Cohen, a Private Investor. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is, are you Planning on doing any actual development in Great Parks, Valencia or San Francisco? Or are you just planning on doing land sales?

Speaker 2

Robert, that's actually a very good question. We have the opportunity because of our kind of land positions To look at vertical development in all of those communities, I think our near term plan is to stick to The horizontal development, which is kind of where our expertise is, but as we look at Valencia and San Francisco, we think there's some really unique opportunities, Probably to partner people with that vertical expertise. And so that's something we do look at, but it's not near term, but we think long term there's some real interesting opportunities there.

Speaker 5

Okay. So you would be thinking about bringing in maybe larger real estate investment larger real estate companies to maybe invest with you to fund These developments?

Speaker 2

Yes. Part of it is, once again, if we're going to if we were moving into an area, we don't have necessary So you'd want to work with somebody that has that expertise both to develop and operate it. And we have the land. And so those are the type of things that we look at as long term opportunities. But I think that rather than trying to develop all that expertise Inside of the company, we think there's a lot of expertise in other places that we could tap into, which would be a good match between Their expertise and our land positions.

Speaker 5

Okay. And do you have any timeframe for maybe doing some of that Actual development?

Speaker 2

Well, I think that obviously the thing that we are most focused on in that type of development would be And so right now, some of our bigger commercial opportunities in Valencia are going to be coming in some area called Valencia Commerce Center, which we're in the process of processing the entitlement for that. And then in San Francisco, there'll be various opportunities in San Francisco when we get That community up and running because it is a very it's got a lot of mixed use across the entire site. But I think that we're a couple of years out simply because we really need to be in the right land position To do that from the perspective of actually being in that segment of the market.

Speaker 5

Okay. That would make sense. And just my final question is, The stock price is down almost 80% since its IPO. Have you Or the Board of Directors considered possibly selling the company since the assets of the company appear to be appear to greatly exceed the Stock price, the stock valuation.

Speaker 2

Robert, once again, I appreciate that question. I think how I would comment on that is that the Board is always looking at any type of opportunities that come their way to really enhance shareholder value. And so that whereas it's not something that We have on the table, we will consider all alternatives that may be presented to the Board. But at this point, We kind of we know that we want to look at opportunities to enhance shareholder value and so something like that came up. We would always look at those alternatives.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. Those were my questions. I appreciate you answering them. Thank you.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple from me. Your cash balance guidance for the rest of the year, exiting 2023, does that include the Valencia land sale completed or expected to be completed post Q2?

Speaker 6

And then also the land parcel sales as well as the I guess the 3rd land sale contract that you expect to close in Q3?

Speaker 2

Yes, it does.

Speaker 6

Okay, got it. Thank you. And then as far as capital expenditure for the back half of the year and then Capital expenditures for next year, do you have a rough sense for where they could shake out from where you stand right now?

Speaker 2

We really think it will be similar to the first half of this year Is what we would estimate. Once again, we're in a pretty good land position in Valencia from a standpoint of where we're at. And Irvine, we're in a really good land position from the standpoint of finishing. So I would say comparable over the same 6 month period.

Speaker 6

Similar. Okay, got it. Thank you. And then SG and A, a nice reduction again sequentially. Do you think there are further Should we expect this type of run rate for, I guess, the next few quarters?

Speaker 2

Well, I will just tell you, we're always going to be very focused on managing our SG and A, But I do think that we're kind of getting to a kind of a run rate. I think what number you're seeing there is kind of close to run rate, right, that we think we'll look at going forward. But we're going to continue to always look at opportunities to improve on that number. It's something that's once again, it's when I talk about the 3 things that we're trying to focus on, we really are Focusing on revenue, managing our SG and A and managing our capital and really kind of keeping our heads down and running our business. And so we've got everyone heading in that direction.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thank you very much and nice job this quarter. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Dan Hetagen for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you, everyone.

Operator

And this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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