NASDAQ:PI Impinj Q2 2023 Earnings Report $128.88 +1.67 (+1.31%) As of 10:16 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Root EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.14Consensus EPS -$0.14Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ARoot Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$85.99 millionExpected Revenue$85.43 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$560.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ARoot Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date7/26/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, July 26, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsImpinj's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, April 23, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Impinj Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 26, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Impinj Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Operator00:00:31Andy Cobb, Vice President, Strategic Finance. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, MJ. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Impinj's Q2 2023 results. On today's call, Christy Orio, Impinj's Co Founder and CEO, will provide a brief overview of our market opportunity and performance. Barry Baker, Impinj's CFO, will follow with a detailed review of our Q2 2023 financial results and Q3 outlook. We will then open the call for questions. Speaker 100:01:07Jeff Doxis, Impinj's CRO, will join us for the Q and A. You can find management's prepared remarks plus trended financial data on the company's Investor Relations website. We will make statements in this call about financial performance and future expectations that are based on our outlook as of today. Any such statements are forward looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. While we believe we have a reasonable basis for making these forward looking statements, our actual results could differ materially Because any such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, we describe these risks and uncertainties in the annual and quarterly reports We file with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:54We do not undertake and expressly disclaim any obligation to update or alter our forward looking statements, except as required by law. On today's call, all financial metrics, except for revenue, or where we explicitly state otherwise, are non GAAP. Balance sheet and cash flow metrics are GAAP. Please refer to our earnings release for a reconciliation of non GAAP financial metrics to the most comparable GAAP metrics. Before turning to our results and outlook, note that we will participate in the 12th Annual Needham Virtual Industrial Tech, Robotics and Clean Tech 1 on 1 Conference on August 4 the Oppenheimer 26th Annual Technology, Internet and Communications Conference on August 8 the Canaccord Genuity 43rd Annual Growth Conference on August 10 in Boston The Jefferies Semiconductor IT Hardware and Communications Technology Summit on August 29, 30 in Chicago The Goldman Sachs Communicopia and Technology Conference on September 6th in San Francisco, the Piper Sandler Growth Frontiers Conference on September 12th in Nashville and Lake Street's C7 Conference on September 14th in New York. Speaker 100:03:15We look forward to connecting with many of you at those events. I will now turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 200:03:22Thank you, Andy, and thank you all for joining the call. 2nd quarter revenue set a new record With record systems revenue more than offsetting weaker than anticipated endpoint IC revenue. The primary driver of the systems revenue strength Was the loss prevention deployment at the visionary European retailer? The primary driver of the endpoint IC weakness Was larger than anticipated retail apparel inventory destocking. We expect the impacts of that inventory destocking to persist at least through the Q3. Speaker 200:03:59Focusing first on endpoint ICs, 2nd quarter revenue declined sequentially, Coming in slightly below our expectations. The magnitude of the retail inventory destocking became apparent late in the quarter, Not just to us, but also to our in late partners, some of whom had requested upside ICs as recently as April. That destocking more than offset sequential IC growth at our 2nd large North American supply chain and logistics enterprise customer And thus ceding several 100,000,000 Impinj M775 ICs into multiple authentication applications. Looking to the Q3, our input IC share at our enterprise customers remains strong. At the same time, we and our in light partners now anticipate softer than expected 3rd quarter retail demand recovery. Speaker 200:04:53Those partners built IC safety stock anticipating a stronger recovery. And as our wafer supply has grown, They are burning down roughly a month's worth of ICs, primarily in the Q3, but with a tail into the 4th. Also, the curve of new program launches shifted to the right by the 2022 product shortfalls Create an adoption AirPockets that the industry is still working through. Our enterprise wins Insufficient to overcome these headwinds and as a result, our Q3 endpoint IC revenue will decline sequentially. Importantly, despite these headwinds, we do not know of a single end user who was pulled back from RAIN RFID. Speaker 200:05:41Said another way, our long term opportunity remains strong and we expect growing adoption to drive demand after these corrections are behind us. We also expect greater than 25 percent 2023 endpoint IC unit volume growth. Turning to systems. 2nd quarter reader and gateway revenue exceeded our expectations, driven by better than anticipated component availability. The additional supply allowed us to deliver more gateways into the visionary European retailers' Self checkout and loss prevention deployment than we expected as well as fulfill our prior period reader backlog. Speaker 200:06:23It also allows our team to shift their focus to new opportunities for our solutions offerings. Regardless, for the Q3, We expect a sequential decline in reader and gateway revenue due to delivery timing to the visionary European retailer And our return to typical reader and gateway backlog entering the quarter, the latter after nearly 2 years of component supply constraints. Our Q2 reader IC revenue remained healthy with robust demand for printer and coders in North America, Offsetting weak macro demand in China. Looking to 3rd quarter, we see the printer and coater demand mostly fulfilled, While China remains soft. Our Chinese reader partners built indie reader IC inventory ahead of our planned end of life And are today focused on selling indie based product inventory rather than ramping Impinj e family based designs. Speaker 200:07:25That indie focus will drive a sequential decline in 3rd quarter reader IC revenue. Like for readers and gateways, Our reader IC supply is normalized and we enter the Q3 with typical reader IC backlog. Turning to new products. Last week, we launched the Impinj M800 series RAIN RFID endpoint ICs. The first ICs in the series, the Impinj MA30 and MA50 are the most advanced in the market With performance and features designed to help enterprises read the right tag at the right place at the right time. Speaker 200:08:06In addition to 25% more die per wafer than the Impinj M700, the M800 has 30% lower power consumption, allowing businesses to use a single small tag across a broad range of items. With enhanced tag reliability, manufacturer ability and drop in compatibility with M700 antennas, We expect the M800 to drive additional RAN adoption. It is also a key component of our long term growth and margin targets. Turning to intellectual property. We are the innovation leader in our industry With more than 300 issued and allowed patents. Speaker 200:08:51I am pleased to say we successfully defended our leadership position by prevailing in 2 separate trials. In June, a federal jury in Washington found that Impinj endpoint ICs Do not infringe an NXP patent. In July, a federal jury in California found that NXP and PFI's Do infringe the Impinj patents won willfully. The California jury awarded Impinj Approximately $18,900,000,000 in damages and lost profits Speaker 300:09:27and Speaker 200:09:27we have asked the court for injunctive relief. We now turn our attention to the upcoming Texas trials against NXP. In closing, From today's vantage point, we see several headwinds driving lower third quarter revenue. At the same time, Our long term opportunity remains strong and we see some green shoots in retail apparel. We as a company Have been through industry cycles before and have come through those cycles stronger. Speaker 200:10:01With confidence in our growing opportunity And our leading position in it, I have no doubt we will do so again. Before I turn the call over to Carrie For our financial review and Q3 outlook, I'd like to again thank every member of the Impinj team For your constant effort driving our bold vision, I feel honored by my incredible good fortune to work with you. Carey? Speaker 300:10:30Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. On today's call, I will review our Q2 financial results and Q3 financial outlook. 2nd quarter revenue was $86,000,000 up slightly sequentially compared with $85,900,000 in Q1 2023 and up 44% year over year from $59,800,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter endpoint IC revenue was 60 $4,900,000 down 3 percent sequentially compared with $67,000,000 in Q1 2023 and up 51% year over year from $42,900,000 in Q2 2022. Looking to the Q3, we expect sequential decline in endpoint IC revenue driven by inlay partner safety stock reductions and weak retail apparel demand more than offsetting growth from our platform wins. Speaker 300:11:222nd quarter systems revenue was $21,100,000 up 12% sequentially compared with $18,800,000 in Q1 2023 and up 24% year over year from $16,900,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter systems revenue exceeded our expectations, driven by better than anticipated component availability allowing us to service reader and gateway demand. On a sequential basis, Reader revenue increased, while reader IC and gateway revenue decreased. On a year over year basis, gateway revenue increased, while reader IC and reader revenue decreased. Systems included Voyantec revenue starting 2nd quarter. Speaker 300:12:02Looking ahead, we expect a sequential decline 3rd quarter systems revenue with declines in all product lines. 2nd quarter gross margin was 53.3% compared with 52.4 percent in Q1 2023 and 54.7% in Q2 2022. The sequential increase was driven by endpoint IC product mix. The year over year decrease was driven by lower endpoint IC product margins, Specifically, a smaller specialty and industrial IC mix and lower systems product margins driven by increased costs. Looking to the Q3, we expect our gross margin to decline. Speaker 300:12:39Total second quarter operating expense was $35,900,000 compared with 36,400,000 Q1 2023 $28,800,000 in Q2 2022. Research and development expense was 16,800,000 Sales and marketing expense was $7,700,000 General and administrative expense was $11,300,000 Litigation expense was 4,300,000 Despite litigation expense being similar to Q2, we expect a sequential decline in Q3 operating expense as we tighten our belt on spending. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $10,000,000 compared with $8,600,000 in Q1 2023 $3,800,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 11.6%. 2nd quarter GAAP net loss was 8,100,000 2nd quarter non GAAP net income was $9,300,000 or $0.33 per share on a fully diluted basis. Speaker 300:13:38Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the 2nd quarter with cash, cash equivalents and investments of $114,900,000 compared with 164 point $26,500,000 from the prior quarter with wafer delivery timing and the initial M800 ramp contributing to the increase. Net cash paid for Voyantec totaled $23,400,000 2nd quarter net cash used by operating activities was $22,500,000 Property and equipment purchases totaled $5,700,000 Free cash flow was negative $28,200,000 including $25,300,000 for inventory growth. Before turning to our Q3 guidance, I want to highlight a few items unique to our results and outlook. First, we anticipate Q3 gross margin to decline by approximately 300 basis points due primarily to lower revenue on fixed costs and less reader ICs. Speaker 300:14:41As our revenue recovers, we are confident that our gross margin will recover with it, and we remain confident in the long term margin targets I outlined at our Investor Day. 2nd, we have updated our non GAAP net income to include estimated taxes based on statutory tax rates. Given our NOLs, we expect our cash tax payments to remain well below this estimated rate at least for the next few years. Please see our trended file for a retrospective view of our non GAAP net income following this revised tax treatment. 3rd, we have reduced our wafer purchases, adjusted our wafer delivery timing and are focused on better aligning our inventory to our outlook. Speaker 300:15:23We expect those efforts to impact 4th quarter inventory. We currently expect 3rd quarter inventory to be similar to 2nd quarter. Finally, based on our revised view of market demand, we believe our inlay partners have roughly a month's worth of excess IC safety stock. Our Q3 guidance assumes progress rightsizing that safety stock with a tail into the 4th quarter. Turning to our outlook. Speaker 300:15:48We expect 3rd quarter revenue between $63,000,000 $66,000,000 compared with 68 point $3,000,000 in Q3 2022, a 6% year over year decline at the midpoint. We expect an adjusted EBITDA loss $3,300,000 $1,800,000 On the bottom line, we expect non GAAP net loss between $3,200,000 $1,700,000 reflecting non GAAP fully diluted loss per share between $0.12 $0.06 In closing, want to thank the Impinj team, our customers, our suppliers and you, our investors, for your ongoing support. I will now turn the call to the operator Operator00:16:49As a courtesy to others, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, please re queue and we will take as many questions as Today's first question comes from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:14Yes. Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. I had 2. Chris and Kerry, one for you. Speaker 400:17:21So I think if I'm reading this correctly, I think We're thinking there's about a month's worth of inventory safety stock at the Inlay Partners. But then today is What, July 26, so there's a whole month or so left. I can understand this sort of tails into the Q3. But I guess I'm trying to understand your comment about this might dovetail into the Q4 as well, this inventory correction. I was wondering if you could provide some color around why it might spill into Q4 and why won't the logistics uptick that you might be anticipating with that rollout not come as a Positive and sort of offset this decline. Speaker 300:18:03Okay. Thanks, Harsh. This is Carey. I'll take that question. Looking into our Q3, our guide assumes that endpoint IC revenue is going to be down in the mid-20s sequentially. Speaker 300:18:16There are going to be a few factors driving that sequential decline. So I want to unpack each of those right now. First, in the second quarter, We shipped several 100,000,000 higher ASP M775 authentication ICs as we ceded multiple applications ahead of their commercial launch. The timing and success of those launches will determine when more product is pulled. And then second, to your point, we're attempting to burn down as much of the excess safety stock as possible. Speaker 300:18:46Based on our current view of demand, we anticipate burning down roughly 2 to 3 weeks in Q3. Unfortunately, both of those factors are masking growth from the large project ramps in logistics and general merchandise. Speaker 200:19:00Okay. And Chris, I guess I'll add that our partners have need for specific products. Not all Our ICs are identical. So we're still fulfilling orders. And so the burn down of that IC inventory is It doesn't happen over 2 months. Speaker 200:19:15It's going to tail into the Q4. As Terry said, we're going to take as much of it out in the Q3 as we can, but there will be a tail end of the 4th. Speaker 400:19:23I got you. Thank you for that color. And then one of your large customers, I guess, reported yesterday, they talked about a pretty substantial growth. So I guess kind of going back into your answer to the first question that I asked, is there is the logistics ramp Already inventoried in some manner at some of your customers. Is that part of the safety stock that you're referring to? Speaker 400:19:46Or is the safety stock comments All related to sort of the debacle in detail that is basically happening in the industry due to macroeconomic factors. Speaker 200:19:56Yes. Thanks, Harsh. So I'll try and take that and Jeff might step in. So we continue to deliver ICs into that enterprise deployment, obviously, To our partners, as that large partner of ours reported yesterday, they are also sitting on IC Safety stock. So even though there is, for them some demand growth in the market and I noted green shoots in my prepared remarks, Our expectation is that our partners fulfill those green shoots and what as well as existing demand By reducing their inventory. Speaker 200:20:31So the comments they made are consistent with what we are seeing and saying, which is that there's some excess inventory in the channel, Significantly built up as a consequence of our inlay partners, being worried about IC supply up until very recently And about IC tightness going forward, they built safety stock. Now that we've got inventory, they're going to be focused on burning it down a bit. Yes. So that retail recovery For us at least is pushed beyond the Q3. Speaker 300:21:00I got you. Sorry, guys. Yes, sorry. I would just add that we don't always line up with Avery Dennison's prints and that's for a variety of reasons, Including Speaker 100:21:12us selling to Speaker 300:21:13the broader market, but probably more importantly is we ship in front of their demand. And our shipments can proceed our partners' demand by up to 90 days and that can be even further elongated when new programs are coming online. So you have to factor that timing in. And I would point you back to a comment that Chris made in his prepared remarks. We're anticipating greater than 25 percent endpoint IC unit growth in 2023 on a year over year basis. Speaker 400:21:44Got you. Thanks guys. I'll be back in queue. Thank you. Speaker 200:21:47Okay. Thank you, Harsh. Operator00:21:51The next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:56Hi, good afternoon. Carrie, I wanted to follow-up On just that point about your expectation for 25% endpoint unit volume growth in 2023, what Has it been through the 1st 6 months? And just based on the way your expectations for Q3, what does that translate Because it would seem to suggest, I think, some recovery outside of the soft retail market in Q4. Maybe you could help with that. Yes. Speaker 500:22:24Hi, Jim. Thanks, In Q4, maybe Speaker 600:22:26you could help with that. Speaker 300:22:28Yes. Hi, Jim. Thanks for the question. So you will see in our 10 Q that our volume is up Roughly 70% on a year to date basis, through the 1st 2 quarters of the year. When you map that into our 25% year over year number, You'll see that, yes, there is a step down in the back half of the year. Speaker 300:22:57We announced at our Investor Day In the middle of June, we had increased our life to date shipments by about 10,000,000,000 units. So you can assume that through the first half of the year, we did a little bit more than 10,000,000,000 units, call it 11,000,000,000 units in the first half of the year. Speaker 500:23:15Okay. The follow-up I have is just I'm trying to understand how you get to your adjusted EBITDA guidance for Q3 at these Low levels of revenue and lower gross margins. And maybe you could talk a little bit about how we should think about The OpEx in Q3 as it relates to the bigger areas. And then the question is, as you come out of this, Are you is your intent to maintain these OpEx levels at lower than previous levels that Perhaps you were thinking? Speaker 300:23:57Great question, Jim. So as I noted, we are tightening our belt on spending And OpEx is coming down in the Q3. I also signaled that the litigation expense would be roughly Flat in Q3. So Q2 was $4,300,000 So assume that same level of litigation spend. Absent that litigation spend, my guide would have been in the black for the Q3. Speaker 300:24:25But yes, we are tightening our belt on spending given this lower revenue line. Speaker 600:24:34Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:37Thanks, Jim. Operator00:24:44The next question comes from Mike Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:51Great. Thank you. Maybe just shifting a little bit to the systems business. With the strategic European retailer, is it a pause or are they pretty much done rolling out the systems? And Maybe you could remind us what a more normalized system quarterly cadence is for your business. Speaker 200:25:13I'm going to say, Mike, thanks for joining us. They are not done. And I'm going to hand it over to Jeff to just tell you a little bit about the pacing. Speaker 700:25:38The 3rd phase into additional brands. So in Q2, we had that layering effect of shipping into the end of the first phase and the beginning ramp of the third phase, whereas In Q3, we'll be shipping into the ramping third phase, resulting in a Step down from 2Q to 3Q. But again, this customer is Quite satisfied with the deployment to date and increasing its investment across its overall brand and store footprint. And Meg, this Speaker 200:26:18is Chris. I'll add that the size of the Q3 deployment into the 3rd phase is larger than we did in 2nd. The pacing is increasing for that 3rd phase, but we're losing the benefit of continuing to fulfill the 2nd phase, which is essentially completed. Speaker 600:26:34Okay. That's helpful. And maybe just a little bit into in the endpoint side, I think you talked about some of the new opportunities would lead to a Q4 seasonally up from Q3 absent kind of these inventory adjustments. Is that still the case on the new opportunities? Should we think about Q4 up a little bit from that and then up a little bit because it's maybe 1 to 2 weeks clearing versus 2 to 3 weeks clearing of inventory. Speaker 600:27:01Is that A good framework to think about Q4 endpoints? Speaker 200:27:06So, Mike, we are not guiding Q4 at this time are really saying a lot. It's too early for us to predict Q4 given the dynamics that we're going through still coming after The COVID insufficient supply recovery, inventory destocking and our partners burning down inventory. When you put it all together, We're going to be watching and see where what the enterprise opportunities are in 4th quarter and growth there, The overall macro retail and our partners' ability to basically right size their inventory and put all those pieces Together, we'll have a better view of Q4 as we get further along. But as of right now, we're not guiding anything associated with Q4. Speaker 600:27:53Understood. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:27:59The next question comes from Mark Lipacis with Jefferies. Speaker 800:28:05Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. A question on The ramp of the 2 new larger programs, can you give us a sense like how do those ramp, Like how long before you get to what you would consider to be fully ramped at those customers and before you kind of grow More organically with your customer growth. And I'm wondering, is this like does this happen like in 1 quarter, 2 quarters? Does it take a year or so And then could you give a sense of how big they could ultimately be could either these be like 10% customers Or does it not impact your top line ultimately to that degree? Speaker 800:28:50Any color you can give on that, Great, Paul. Speaker 200:28:52Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:28:53Thanks for Speaker 200:28:54joining the call. I appreciate it. So for these large customers, the ramps take Typically, years. I mean they really do. When we're talking the size of some of these enterprises for them to fully roll out Even just the phases of their deployments that they've got planned takes a long time. Speaker 200:29:10And that's a positive thing. Don't think about it negatively. You've got giant customers who are rolling out Across their enterprise, they're transforming they're digitally transforming their enterprise. And that takes time. We see systems opportunities persist over multiple quarters. Speaker 200:29:25We see endpoint IC volumes ramping. Both of the ones we talked about have IC volumes already ramping. They are ramping at 3rd quarter. They will ramp again in 4th quarter. We see that ramping sustained. Speaker 200:29:36And even when we've done a phase, We're not done because as Jeff just noted, we're in the 3rd phase of a rollout at our visionary European retailer And that's still simply on loss prevention itself checkout. There are other opportunities with that retailer, with other retailers, other use cases. And we see the same thing with all of our large scale enterprise deployments. As they start deploying RAIN RFID, see the benefits of transforming their enterprises, They come up with additional opportunities and use cases and our job as Impinj is to ensure those customers Are wildly successful in their deployments. And that is our focus because if they are wildly successful, Then we'll be wildly successful with them and we're going to make sure they're successful. Speaker 800:30:30Got you. Very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:30:32Okay. Thanks, Mark. Operator00:30:35The next question comes from Scott Searle with ROTH MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:30:42Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe To follow-up on some of the earlier comments, I'm trying to understand what a normalized level of endpoint IC demand looks like It looks like it's probably in that $60,000,000 range or so. And then you've got other systems deployments that are ongoing, The European retailer, U. S. Speaker 900:31:03Logistics provider, etcetera. So I guess I have two questions. What is the real normalized level of that IC demand where we're starting today? And then as we get into the beginning of next Here and some of these other projects start to ramp up. What does non retail apparel look like in terms of your mix? Speaker 900:31:22I think Avery Dennison was pretty upbeat yesterday about the non retail apparel mix growing at a 50% plus clip. I'm wondering if you could provide us with some idea of what You think your mix looks like and the growth rate looks like there? Speaker 300:31:35Yes. So first question, Scott, this is Carey. Thank I'd highlight the transition from Q2 to Q3 on the endpoint IC growth has a couple of factors That are impacting what is the real demand in that. First, As I mentioned before, we shipped several 100 of those high ASP M775 authentication ICs in Q2. That was seeding an opportunity before the commercial launches. Speaker 300:32:10So we won't see that level of volume immediately following in Q3. We wait to see another rebound in the volume until those products are actually pulled through by the commercial launches. So that comes down. We also see on The IC Safety stock, pulling that down, it's about a month right now. We're trying to pull it down by 2 to 3 weeks. Speaker 300:32:39So that's masking real demand in the quarter. What's offsetting that or partially is the ramps of the big projects. And think of that as logistics, think of that as general merchandise. The logistics is much bigger than the ramp of logistics is much bigger than general merchandise right now. Last year, the industry shipped 34,000,000,000 units in total. Speaker 300:33:06We won't know what the industry ships this year Until early part of Q1. But as Impinj sits right now, we're modeling greater than 25% endpoint IC unit growth on a year over year basis. And Speaker 900:33:21And Carrie, then just a follow-up. Is there exiting this year, given The ramp of customers into general merchandise and logistics, does that start to get to 50% of the mix At this point in time, once we get back to normalized levels. And one other just on the pricing front, typically you have pricing negotiations going into the From the Q4 into the Q1, that hasn't happened in the last couple of years because of wafer availability issues. Does that return as we go into 2024? Thanks. Speaker 200:33:53So Scott, I'm going to take the first part of your question and then hand over to Jeff and Carrie to talk about the pricing and the negotiations. Retail apparel is still by our estimate only about 25% penetrated. So there's still huge growth opportunities in that market. Retail general merchandise has enormous growth opportunities and then supply chain and logistics layers on top. We still see retail as being the primary driver of NQIAC volumes. Speaker 200:34:19We also see the opportunity we see long term secular growth in our industry. It's a long term opportunity. We have confidence in that long term opportunity. Adoption has increased and will increase over time. So we're going to manage through this downturn. Speaker 200:34:35We're going to come out stronger the other side. We're going to be delivering into those opportunities. We're going to leverage our strengths and we're confident in the future. But as we just noted on the call, Given the dynamics that are consequence of the inventory shortfalls, let me take that back, that are a consequence of the product shortfalls we had in 2022, We now entered an over inventory situation at our partners as they're burning down their safety stock. Now seeing that we have enough wafers, there's some gyrations that we have to work through. Speaker 200:35:04We're going to work through as much of them as we can in the Q3. There'll be a tail end of the 4th and we'll report out as soon as we know more information about the 4th on our next call And provide more visibility going forward. But the long term opportunity in front of us remains strong. To the second part of your question, in terms of pricing and when do negotiations happen? Speaker 300:35:26Yes. You're absolutely correct, Scott. Historically, Price negotiations have occurred late in Q4 and result in low to mid single digit ASP declines in the Q1. That hasn't been the case in the last couple of years as our cost has increased. In order to maintain the integrity of our margin model, we pass those costs on to our customers. Speaker 300:35:49I don't want to project what's going to happen right now, but our goal, I would reiterate, is maintaining the integrity of the margin model. So it's tough to do that unless we see a cost decline, for Impinj. Speaker 900:36:05Thank you. Speaker 600:36:07Okay. Thank you. Operator00:36:11This concludes our question and answer session. Would like to turn the conference back over to Chris Diorio, Co Founder and CEO, for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:36:21Thank you, MJ. I'd like to thank you all for joining the call today. I hope you and your loved ones are and remain safe and well. Thank you. Operator00:36:34The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the Impinj Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Operator00:00:31Andy Cobb, Vice President, Strategic Finance. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:37Thank you, MJ. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Impinj's Q2 2023 results. On today's call, Christy Orio, Impinj's Co Founder and CEO, will provide a brief overview of our market opportunity and performance. Barry Baker, Impinj's CFO, will follow with a detailed review of our Q2 2023 financial results and Q3 outlook. We will then open the call for questions. Speaker 100:01:07Jeff Doxis, Impinj's CRO, will join us for the Q and A. You can find management's prepared remarks plus trended financial data on the company's Investor Relations website. We will make statements in this call about financial performance and future expectations that are based on our outlook as of today. Any such statements are forward looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. While we believe we have a reasonable basis for making these forward looking statements, our actual results could differ materially Because any such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, we describe these risks and uncertainties in the annual and quarterly reports We file with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:54We do not undertake and expressly disclaim any obligation to update or alter our forward looking statements, except as required by law. On today's call, all financial metrics, except for revenue, or where we explicitly state otherwise, are non GAAP. Balance sheet and cash flow metrics are GAAP. Please refer to our earnings release for a reconciliation of non GAAP financial metrics to the most comparable GAAP metrics. Before turning to our results and outlook, note that we will participate in the 12th Annual Needham Virtual Industrial Tech, Robotics and Clean Tech 1 on 1 Conference on August 4 the Oppenheimer 26th Annual Technology, Internet and Communications Conference on August 8 the Canaccord Genuity 43rd Annual Growth Conference on August 10 in Boston The Jefferies Semiconductor IT Hardware and Communications Technology Summit on August 29, 30 in Chicago The Goldman Sachs Communicopia and Technology Conference on September 6th in San Francisco, the Piper Sandler Growth Frontiers Conference on September 12th in Nashville and Lake Street's C7 Conference on September 14th in New York. Speaker 100:03:15We look forward to connecting with many of you at those events. I will now turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 200:03:22Thank you, Andy, and thank you all for joining the call. 2nd quarter revenue set a new record With record systems revenue more than offsetting weaker than anticipated endpoint IC revenue. The primary driver of the systems revenue strength Was the loss prevention deployment at the visionary European retailer? The primary driver of the endpoint IC weakness Was larger than anticipated retail apparel inventory destocking. We expect the impacts of that inventory destocking to persist at least through the Q3. Speaker 200:03:59Focusing first on endpoint ICs, 2nd quarter revenue declined sequentially, Coming in slightly below our expectations. The magnitude of the retail inventory destocking became apparent late in the quarter, Not just to us, but also to our in late partners, some of whom had requested upside ICs as recently as April. That destocking more than offset sequential IC growth at our 2nd large North American supply chain and logistics enterprise customer And thus ceding several 100,000,000 Impinj M775 ICs into multiple authentication applications. Looking to the Q3, our input IC share at our enterprise customers remains strong. At the same time, we and our in light partners now anticipate softer than expected 3rd quarter retail demand recovery. Speaker 200:04:53Those partners built IC safety stock anticipating a stronger recovery. And as our wafer supply has grown, They are burning down roughly a month's worth of ICs, primarily in the Q3, but with a tail into the 4th. Also, the curve of new program launches shifted to the right by the 2022 product shortfalls Create an adoption AirPockets that the industry is still working through. Our enterprise wins Insufficient to overcome these headwinds and as a result, our Q3 endpoint IC revenue will decline sequentially. Importantly, despite these headwinds, we do not know of a single end user who was pulled back from RAIN RFID. Speaker 200:05:41Said another way, our long term opportunity remains strong and we expect growing adoption to drive demand after these corrections are behind us. We also expect greater than 25 percent 2023 endpoint IC unit volume growth. Turning to systems. 2nd quarter reader and gateway revenue exceeded our expectations, driven by better than anticipated component availability. The additional supply allowed us to deliver more gateways into the visionary European retailers' Self checkout and loss prevention deployment than we expected as well as fulfill our prior period reader backlog. Speaker 200:06:23It also allows our team to shift their focus to new opportunities for our solutions offerings. Regardless, for the Q3, We expect a sequential decline in reader and gateway revenue due to delivery timing to the visionary European retailer And our return to typical reader and gateway backlog entering the quarter, the latter after nearly 2 years of component supply constraints. Our Q2 reader IC revenue remained healthy with robust demand for printer and coders in North America, Offsetting weak macro demand in China. Looking to 3rd quarter, we see the printer and coater demand mostly fulfilled, While China remains soft. Our Chinese reader partners built indie reader IC inventory ahead of our planned end of life And are today focused on selling indie based product inventory rather than ramping Impinj e family based designs. Speaker 200:07:25That indie focus will drive a sequential decline in 3rd quarter reader IC revenue. Like for readers and gateways, Our reader IC supply is normalized and we enter the Q3 with typical reader IC backlog. Turning to new products. Last week, we launched the Impinj M800 series RAIN RFID endpoint ICs. The first ICs in the series, the Impinj MA30 and MA50 are the most advanced in the market With performance and features designed to help enterprises read the right tag at the right place at the right time. Speaker 200:08:06In addition to 25% more die per wafer than the Impinj M700, the M800 has 30% lower power consumption, allowing businesses to use a single small tag across a broad range of items. With enhanced tag reliability, manufacturer ability and drop in compatibility with M700 antennas, We expect the M800 to drive additional RAN adoption. It is also a key component of our long term growth and margin targets. Turning to intellectual property. We are the innovation leader in our industry With more than 300 issued and allowed patents. Speaker 200:08:51I am pleased to say we successfully defended our leadership position by prevailing in 2 separate trials. In June, a federal jury in Washington found that Impinj endpoint ICs Do not infringe an NXP patent. In July, a federal jury in California found that NXP and PFI's Do infringe the Impinj patents won willfully. The California jury awarded Impinj Approximately $18,900,000,000 in damages and lost profits Speaker 300:09:27and Speaker 200:09:27we have asked the court for injunctive relief. We now turn our attention to the upcoming Texas trials against NXP. In closing, From today's vantage point, we see several headwinds driving lower third quarter revenue. At the same time, Our long term opportunity remains strong and we see some green shoots in retail apparel. We as a company Have been through industry cycles before and have come through those cycles stronger. Speaker 200:10:01With confidence in our growing opportunity And our leading position in it, I have no doubt we will do so again. Before I turn the call over to Carrie For our financial review and Q3 outlook, I'd like to again thank every member of the Impinj team For your constant effort driving our bold vision, I feel honored by my incredible good fortune to work with you. Carey? Speaker 300:10:30Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. On today's call, I will review our Q2 financial results and Q3 financial outlook. 2nd quarter revenue was $86,000,000 up slightly sequentially compared with $85,900,000 in Q1 2023 and up 44% year over year from $59,800,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter endpoint IC revenue was 60 $4,900,000 down 3 percent sequentially compared with $67,000,000 in Q1 2023 and up 51% year over year from $42,900,000 in Q2 2022. Looking to the Q3, we expect sequential decline in endpoint IC revenue driven by inlay partner safety stock reductions and weak retail apparel demand more than offsetting growth from our platform wins. Speaker 300:11:222nd quarter systems revenue was $21,100,000 up 12% sequentially compared with $18,800,000 in Q1 2023 and up 24% year over year from $16,900,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter systems revenue exceeded our expectations, driven by better than anticipated component availability allowing us to service reader and gateway demand. On a sequential basis, Reader revenue increased, while reader IC and gateway revenue decreased. On a year over year basis, gateway revenue increased, while reader IC and reader revenue decreased. Systems included Voyantec revenue starting 2nd quarter. Speaker 300:12:02Looking ahead, we expect a sequential decline 3rd quarter systems revenue with declines in all product lines. 2nd quarter gross margin was 53.3% compared with 52.4 percent in Q1 2023 and 54.7% in Q2 2022. The sequential increase was driven by endpoint IC product mix. The year over year decrease was driven by lower endpoint IC product margins, Specifically, a smaller specialty and industrial IC mix and lower systems product margins driven by increased costs. Looking to the Q3, we expect our gross margin to decline. Speaker 300:12:39Total second quarter operating expense was $35,900,000 compared with 36,400,000 Q1 2023 $28,800,000 in Q2 2022. Research and development expense was 16,800,000 Sales and marketing expense was $7,700,000 General and administrative expense was $11,300,000 Litigation expense was 4,300,000 Despite litigation expense being similar to Q2, we expect a sequential decline in Q3 operating expense as we tighten our belt on spending. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was $10,000,000 compared with $8,600,000 in Q1 2023 $3,800,000 in Q2 2022. 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 11.6%. 2nd quarter GAAP net loss was 8,100,000 2nd quarter non GAAP net income was $9,300,000 or $0.33 per share on a fully diluted basis. Speaker 300:13:38Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the 2nd quarter with cash, cash equivalents and investments of $114,900,000 compared with 164 point $26,500,000 from the prior quarter with wafer delivery timing and the initial M800 ramp contributing to the increase. Net cash paid for Voyantec totaled $23,400,000 2nd quarter net cash used by operating activities was $22,500,000 Property and equipment purchases totaled $5,700,000 Free cash flow was negative $28,200,000 including $25,300,000 for inventory growth. Before turning to our Q3 guidance, I want to highlight a few items unique to our results and outlook. First, we anticipate Q3 gross margin to decline by approximately 300 basis points due primarily to lower revenue on fixed costs and less reader ICs. Speaker 300:14:41As our revenue recovers, we are confident that our gross margin will recover with it, and we remain confident in the long term margin targets I outlined at our Investor Day. 2nd, we have updated our non GAAP net income to include estimated taxes based on statutory tax rates. Given our NOLs, we expect our cash tax payments to remain well below this estimated rate at least for the next few years. Please see our trended file for a retrospective view of our non GAAP net income following this revised tax treatment. 3rd, we have reduced our wafer purchases, adjusted our wafer delivery timing and are focused on better aligning our inventory to our outlook. Speaker 300:15:23We expect those efforts to impact 4th quarter inventory. We currently expect 3rd quarter inventory to be similar to 2nd quarter. Finally, based on our revised view of market demand, we believe our inlay partners have roughly a month's worth of excess IC safety stock. Our Q3 guidance assumes progress rightsizing that safety stock with a tail into the 4th quarter. Turning to our outlook. Speaker 300:15:48We expect 3rd quarter revenue between $63,000,000 $66,000,000 compared with 68 point $3,000,000 in Q3 2022, a 6% year over year decline at the midpoint. We expect an adjusted EBITDA loss $3,300,000 $1,800,000 On the bottom line, we expect non GAAP net loss between $3,200,000 $1,700,000 reflecting non GAAP fully diluted loss per share between $0.12 $0.06 In closing, want to thank the Impinj team, our customers, our suppliers and you, our investors, for your ongoing support. I will now turn the call to the operator Operator00:16:49As a courtesy to others, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have additional questions, please re queue and we will take as many questions as Today's first question comes from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:17:14Yes. Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a question. I had 2. Chris and Kerry, one for you. Speaker 400:17:21So I think if I'm reading this correctly, I think We're thinking there's about a month's worth of inventory safety stock at the Inlay Partners. But then today is What, July 26, so there's a whole month or so left. I can understand this sort of tails into the Q3. But I guess I'm trying to understand your comment about this might dovetail into the Q4 as well, this inventory correction. I was wondering if you could provide some color around why it might spill into Q4 and why won't the logistics uptick that you might be anticipating with that rollout not come as a Positive and sort of offset this decline. Speaker 300:18:03Okay. Thanks, Harsh. This is Carey. I'll take that question. Looking into our Q3, our guide assumes that endpoint IC revenue is going to be down in the mid-20s sequentially. Speaker 300:18:16There are going to be a few factors driving that sequential decline. So I want to unpack each of those right now. First, in the second quarter, We shipped several 100,000,000 higher ASP M775 authentication ICs as we ceded multiple applications ahead of their commercial launch. The timing and success of those launches will determine when more product is pulled. And then second, to your point, we're attempting to burn down as much of the excess safety stock as possible. Speaker 300:18:46Based on our current view of demand, we anticipate burning down roughly 2 to 3 weeks in Q3. Unfortunately, both of those factors are masking growth from the large project ramps in logistics and general merchandise. Speaker 200:19:00Okay. And Chris, I guess I'll add that our partners have need for specific products. Not all Our ICs are identical. So we're still fulfilling orders. And so the burn down of that IC inventory is It doesn't happen over 2 months. Speaker 200:19:15It's going to tail into the Q4. As Terry said, we're going to take as much of it out in the Q3 as we can, but there will be a tail end of the 4th. Speaker 400:19:23I got you. Thank you for that color. And then one of your large customers, I guess, reported yesterday, they talked about a pretty substantial growth. So I guess kind of going back into your answer to the first question that I asked, is there is the logistics ramp Already inventoried in some manner at some of your customers. Is that part of the safety stock that you're referring to? Speaker 400:19:46Or is the safety stock comments All related to sort of the debacle in detail that is basically happening in the industry due to macroeconomic factors. Speaker 200:19:56Yes. Thanks, Harsh. So I'll try and take that and Jeff might step in. So we continue to deliver ICs into that enterprise deployment, obviously, To our partners, as that large partner of ours reported yesterday, they are also sitting on IC Safety stock. So even though there is, for them some demand growth in the market and I noted green shoots in my prepared remarks, Our expectation is that our partners fulfill those green shoots and what as well as existing demand By reducing their inventory. Speaker 200:20:31So the comments they made are consistent with what we are seeing and saying, which is that there's some excess inventory in the channel, Significantly built up as a consequence of our inlay partners, being worried about IC supply up until very recently And about IC tightness going forward, they built safety stock. Now that we've got inventory, they're going to be focused on burning it down a bit. Yes. So that retail recovery For us at least is pushed beyond the Q3. Speaker 300:21:00I got you. Sorry, guys. Yes, sorry. I would just add that we don't always line up with Avery Dennison's prints and that's for a variety of reasons, Including Speaker 100:21:12us selling to Speaker 300:21:13the broader market, but probably more importantly is we ship in front of their demand. And our shipments can proceed our partners' demand by up to 90 days and that can be even further elongated when new programs are coming online. So you have to factor that timing in. And I would point you back to a comment that Chris made in his prepared remarks. We're anticipating greater than 25 percent endpoint IC unit growth in 2023 on a year over year basis. Speaker 400:21:44Got you. Thanks guys. I'll be back in queue. Thank you. Speaker 200:21:47Okay. Thank you, Harsh. Operator00:21:51The next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:21:56Hi, good afternoon. Carrie, I wanted to follow-up On just that point about your expectation for 25% endpoint unit volume growth in 2023, what Has it been through the 1st 6 months? And just based on the way your expectations for Q3, what does that translate Because it would seem to suggest, I think, some recovery outside of the soft retail market in Q4. Maybe you could help with that. Yes. Speaker 500:22:24Hi, Jim. Thanks, In Q4, maybe Speaker 600:22:26you could help with that. Speaker 300:22:28Yes. Hi, Jim. Thanks for the question. So you will see in our 10 Q that our volume is up Roughly 70% on a year to date basis, through the 1st 2 quarters of the year. When you map that into our 25% year over year number, You'll see that, yes, there is a step down in the back half of the year. Speaker 300:22:57We announced at our Investor Day In the middle of June, we had increased our life to date shipments by about 10,000,000,000 units. So you can assume that through the first half of the year, we did a little bit more than 10,000,000,000 units, call it 11,000,000,000 units in the first half of the year. Speaker 500:23:15Okay. The follow-up I have is just I'm trying to understand how you get to your adjusted EBITDA guidance for Q3 at these Low levels of revenue and lower gross margins. And maybe you could talk a little bit about how we should think about The OpEx in Q3 as it relates to the bigger areas. And then the question is, as you come out of this, Are you is your intent to maintain these OpEx levels at lower than previous levels that Perhaps you were thinking? Speaker 300:23:57Great question, Jim. So as I noted, we are tightening our belt on spending And OpEx is coming down in the Q3. I also signaled that the litigation expense would be roughly Flat in Q3. So Q2 was $4,300,000 So assume that same level of litigation spend. Absent that litigation spend, my guide would have been in the black for the Q3. Speaker 300:24:25But yes, we are tightening our belt on spending given this lower revenue line. Speaker 600:24:34Okay. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:37Thanks, Jim. Operator00:24:44The next question comes from Mike Walkley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:51Great. Thank you. Maybe just shifting a little bit to the systems business. With the strategic European retailer, is it a pause or are they pretty much done rolling out the systems? And Maybe you could remind us what a more normalized system quarterly cadence is for your business. Speaker 200:25:13I'm going to say, Mike, thanks for joining us. They are not done. And I'm going to hand it over to Jeff to just tell you a little bit about the pacing. Speaker 700:25:38The 3rd phase into additional brands. So in Q2, we had that layering effect of shipping into the end of the first phase and the beginning ramp of the third phase, whereas In Q3, we'll be shipping into the ramping third phase, resulting in a Step down from 2Q to 3Q. But again, this customer is Quite satisfied with the deployment to date and increasing its investment across its overall brand and store footprint. And Meg, this Speaker 200:26:18is Chris. I'll add that the size of the Q3 deployment into the 3rd phase is larger than we did in 2nd. The pacing is increasing for that 3rd phase, but we're losing the benefit of continuing to fulfill the 2nd phase, which is essentially completed. Speaker 600:26:34Okay. That's helpful. And maybe just a little bit into in the endpoint side, I think you talked about some of the new opportunities would lead to a Q4 seasonally up from Q3 absent kind of these inventory adjustments. Is that still the case on the new opportunities? Should we think about Q4 up a little bit from that and then up a little bit because it's maybe 1 to 2 weeks clearing versus 2 to 3 weeks clearing of inventory. Speaker 600:27:01Is that A good framework to think about Q4 endpoints? Speaker 200:27:06So, Mike, we are not guiding Q4 at this time are really saying a lot. It's too early for us to predict Q4 given the dynamics that we're going through still coming after The COVID insufficient supply recovery, inventory destocking and our partners burning down inventory. When you put it all together, We're going to be watching and see where what the enterprise opportunities are in 4th quarter and growth there, The overall macro retail and our partners' ability to basically right size their inventory and put all those pieces Together, we'll have a better view of Q4 as we get further along. But as of right now, we're not guiding anything associated with Q4. Speaker 600:27:53Understood. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:27:59The next question comes from Mark Lipacis with Jefferies. Speaker 800:28:05Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. A question on The ramp of the 2 new larger programs, can you give us a sense like how do those ramp, Like how long before you get to what you would consider to be fully ramped at those customers and before you kind of grow More organically with your customer growth. And I'm wondering, is this like does this happen like in 1 quarter, 2 quarters? Does it take a year or so And then could you give a sense of how big they could ultimately be could either these be like 10% customers Or does it not impact your top line ultimately to that degree? Speaker 800:28:50Any color you can give on that, Great, Paul. Speaker 200:28:52Got it. Thank you. Speaker 100:28:53Thanks for Speaker 200:28:54joining the call. I appreciate it. So for these large customers, the ramps take Typically, years. I mean they really do. When we're talking the size of some of these enterprises for them to fully roll out Even just the phases of their deployments that they've got planned takes a long time. Speaker 200:29:10And that's a positive thing. Don't think about it negatively. You've got giant customers who are rolling out Across their enterprise, they're transforming they're digitally transforming their enterprise. And that takes time. We see systems opportunities persist over multiple quarters. Speaker 200:29:25We see endpoint IC volumes ramping. Both of the ones we talked about have IC volumes already ramping. They are ramping at 3rd quarter. They will ramp again in 4th quarter. We see that ramping sustained. Speaker 200:29:36And even when we've done a phase, We're not done because as Jeff just noted, we're in the 3rd phase of a rollout at our visionary European retailer And that's still simply on loss prevention itself checkout. There are other opportunities with that retailer, with other retailers, other use cases. And we see the same thing with all of our large scale enterprise deployments. As they start deploying RAIN RFID, see the benefits of transforming their enterprises, They come up with additional opportunities and use cases and our job as Impinj is to ensure those customers Are wildly successful in their deployments. And that is our focus because if they are wildly successful, Then we'll be wildly successful with them and we're going to make sure they're successful. Speaker 800:30:30Got you. Very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:30:32Okay. Thanks, Mark. Operator00:30:35The next question comes from Scott Searle with ROTH MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:30:42Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe To follow-up on some of the earlier comments, I'm trying to understand what a normalized level of endpoint IC demand looks like It looks like it's probably in that $60,000,000 range or so. And then you've got other systems deployments that are ongoing, The European retailer, U. S. Speaker 900:31:03Logistics provider, etcetera. So I guess I have two questions. What is the real normalized level of that IC demand where we're starting today? And then as we get into the beginning of next Here and some of these other projects start to ramp up. What does non retail apparel look like in terms of your mix? Speaker 900:31:22I think Avery Dennison was pretty upbeat yesterday about the non retail apparel mix growing at a 50% plus clip. I'm wondering if you could provide us with some idea of what You think your mix looks like and the growth rate looks like there? Speaker 300:31:35Yes. So first question, Scott, this is Carey. Thank I'd highlight the transition from Q2 to Q3 on the endpoint IC growth has a couple of factors That are impacting what is the real demand in that. First, As I mentioned before, we shipped several 100 of those high ASP M775 authentication ICs in Q2. That was seeding an opportunity before the commercial launches. Speaker 300:32:10So we won't see that level of volume immediately following in Q3. We wait to see another rebound in the volume until those products are actually pulled through by the commercial launches. So that comes down. We also see on The IC Safety stock, pulling that down, it's about a month right now. We're trying to pull it down by 2 to 3 weeks. Speaker 300:32:39So that's masking real demand in the quarter. What's offsetting that or partially is the ramps of the big projects. And think of that as logistics, think of that as general merchandise. The logistics is much bigger than the ramp of logistics is much bigger than general merchandise right now. Last year, the industry shipped 34,000,000,000 units in total. Speaker 300:33:06We won't know what the industry ships this year Until early part of Q1. But as Impinj sits right now, we're modeling greater than 25% endpoint IC unit growth on a year over year basis. And Speaker 900:33:21And Carrie, then just a follow-up. Is there exiting this year, given The ramp of customers into general merchandise and logistics, does that start to get to 50% of the mix At this point in time, once we get back to normalized levels. And one other just on the pricing front, typically you have pricing negotiations going into the From the Q4 into the Q1, that hasn't happened in the last couple of years because of wafer availability issues. Does that return as we go into 2024? Thanks. Speaker 200:33:53So Scott, I'm going to take the first part of your question and then hand over to Jeff and Carrie to talk about the pricing and the negotiations. Retail apparel is still by our estimate only about 25% penetrated. So there's still huge growth opportunities in that market. Retail general merchandise has enormous growth opportunities and then supply chain and logistics layers on top. We still see retail as being the primary driver of NQIAC volumes. Speaker 200:34:19We also see the opportunity we see long term secular growth in our industry. It's a long term opportunity. We have confidence in that long term opportunity. Adoption has increased and will increase over time. So we're going to manage through this downturn. Speaker 200:34:35We're going to come out stronger the other side. We're going to be delivering into those opportunities. We're going to leverage our strengths and we're confident in the future. But as we just noted on the call, Given the dynamics that are consequence of the inventory shortfalls, let me take that back, that are a consequence of the product shortfalls we had in 2022, We now entered an over inventory situation at our partners as they're burning down their safety stock. Now seeing that we have enough wafers, there's some gyrations that we have to work through. Speaker 200:35:04We're going to work through as much of them as we can in the Q3. There'll be a tail end of the 4th and we'll report out as soon as we know more information about the 4th on our next call And provide more visibility going forward. But the long term opportunity in front of us remains strong. To the second part of your question, in terms of pricing and when do negotiations happen? Speaker 300:35:26Yes. You're absolutely correct, Scott. Historically, Price negotiations have occurred late in Q4 and result in low to mid single digit ASP declines in the Q1. That hasn't been the case in the last couple of years as our cost has increased. In order to maintain the integrity of our margin model, we pass those costs on to our customers. Speaker 300:35:49I don't want to project what's going to happen right now, but our goal, I would reiterate, is maintaining the integrity of the margin model. So it's tough to do that unless we see a cost decline, for Impinj. Speaker 900:36:05Thank you. Speaker 600:36:07Okay. Thank you. Operator00:36:11This concludes our question and answer session. Would like to turn the conference back over to Chris Diorio, Co Founder and CEO, for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:36:21Thank you, MJ. I'd like to thank you all for joining the call today. I hope you and your loved ones are and remain safe and well. Thank you. Operator00:36:34The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by