Essex Property Trust Q2 2023 Earnings Report $266.37 -5.58 (-2.05%) As of 02:50 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Essex Property Trust EPS ResultsActual EPSN/AConsensus EPS $3.73Beat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPS$3.68Essex Property Trust Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$414.48 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AEssex Property Trust Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date7/27/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, July 28, 2023Conference Call Time1:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryESS ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Essex Property Trust Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 28, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day, and welcome to the Essex Property Trust Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Statements made on this conference call regarding expected operating results and other future events are forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Forward looking statements are made based on current expectations, assumptions and beliefs as well as information available to the company at this time. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Operator00:00:30Further information about these risks can be found on the company's filings with the SEC. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ms. Angela Kleinman, President and Chief Executive Officer for Essex Property Trust. Thank you, Ms. Kliman. Operator00:00:44You may begin. Speaker 100:00:49Good morning. Thank you for joining Essex's 2nd quarter earnings call. Barb PAC and Jessica Anderson will follow me with prepared remarks and Adam Barry is here for Q and A. We delivered a solid second quarter with core FFO per share exceeding the high end of our guidance range. In addition, we are pleased to announce a meaningful increase to our 2023 guidance for same property revenues, NOI and core FFO per share growth. Speaker 100:01:16Barb will discuss this further in a moment. Our performance today demonstrates the underlying strength of the West Coast economy along with continued refinement to our operating strategy. My remarks today will focus on our 2023 revised outlook for the West Coast and conclude with an update on the transaction market. Starting with expectations for the balance of the year. As shown on Page S-seventeen of the supplemental, our improved outlook reflects The year to date resilience of the economy and labor markets, both surpassing our initial forecast. Speaker 100:01:50This dynamic, coupled with slowing apartment deliveries, Have contributed to a healthy demand for rental housing in our markets. As a result, we raised our average market rent growth expectations for the West Coast by 50 basis points to 2.5 percent with notable increases to San Diego and San Jose. Demand associated with job growth is a key driver to the revision. We now expect our markets to generate 1.7% job growth for the full year. This is mostly attributable to the growth achieved in the first half of the year with our markets posting 2.6% job growth on a trailing 3 month average through June. Speaker 100:02:30Additionally, the layoff announcements from the largest technology companies have proven less consequential than headlines suggested, with only a fraction occurring within our markets and the vast majority of those affected quickly finding new employment. Turning to the supply outlook. Our research forecast a slight reduction in 2023 deliveries as a few Delayed projects get pushed into 2024. While we have been pleased with the steady job growth achieved on the West Coast to start the year, We remain cognizant of the potential for more interest rate increases given the Fed's focus on inflation reduction. Thus, our job outlook contemplates a moderating economy as we approach year end. Speaker 100:03:15And accordingly, our base case expectation assumes modest market rent growth for the remainder of the year. Looking forward to the next several years, We see the West Coast as uniquely positioned to generate above average rent growth based on 3 key factors present today. First and most importantly, the West Coast supply outlook is relatively muted and a multiyear lead time is required to develop new housing in our markets. With permitting activities declining, we expect to benefit from moderate supply levels for years to come. 2nd is rental affordability. Speaker 100:03:52Since 2020, average personal income in the Essex market has grown over 20% compared to cumulative rent growth of 10%, resulting in attractive rental affordability. Furthermore, high cost of home ownership continues to favor renting. It is now over 2 times more expensive to own compared to rent in the Essex market. 3rd, solid demand drivers. Our Southern region continues to demonstrate stable growth supported by a diverse and vibrant economy. Speaker 100:04:23Likewise, the Northern region economies are steadily growing. A key driver is the investment in AI companies that are largely concentrated in Northern California. We've seen open positions of the Top 10 tech companies improved gradually each month since the trough earlier this year. Lastly, fully remote as a percent of total job postings has significantly declined at below 10% in June. For these reasons, we expect the West Coast to continue gaining momentum for the remainder of 20 20 and outperform over the next several years. Speaker 100:04:59Lastly, turning to the investment markets. Transaction activities in the West Coast have remained muted. Similar to the Q1, volume in the Q2 was about 55% lower than the same period prior year with cap rates in the mid-four percent to low 5% range for institutional quality properties. We are starting to see more deals actively marketed at similar valuation levels. Interests from a healthy group of buyers range from local syndicators to large for institutional and foreign investors. Speaker 100:05:30As expected, leverage buyers remain largely on the sidelines, waiting for more clarity on interest rates. We continue to diligently underwrite deals as we are well positioned to be opportunistic. With that, I'll turn the call over to Barbara Peck. Speaker 200:05:45Thanks, Angela. I'll begin with a brief overview of our 2nd quarter results, discuss increases to our full year guidance and provide an update on Capital Markets and the balance sheet. Beginning with our 2nd quarter performance, I'm pleased to report we achieved core FFO per share of $3.77 This result exceeded the midpoint of our guidance range by $0.08 per share, of which $0.06 is attributable to better revenue growth and lower property taxes in Washington. Our favorable year to date results have enabled us to increase the full year midpoint of our same property revenue growth by approximately 40 basis points to 4.4%. The increase is due to higher occupancy and net effective rents achieved year to date, partially offset by higher delinquency in the second half of the year as compared to our original forecast. Speaker 200:06:38As it relates to same property operating We have reduced our midpoint by 100 basis points to 4% as a result of a reduction in Washington property taxes. Due to these revisions, our full year same property NOI growth has increased to 4.5% at the midpoint, representing a 90 basis points improvement to our guidance to our initial guidance. As a result of our Strong second quarter and revisions to our same property outlook, we are raising the full year midpoint of core FFO by $0.22 to $15 per share, which represents 3.4% year over year growth. Turning to Capital Markets activities. We have historically been proactive in managing our capital needs and debt maturity profile, taking advantage of attractive opportunities in the market to refinance our debt early, minimizing our near term capital needs and maximizing our financial flexibility. Speaker 200:07:36Subsequent to quarter end, we closed the 298,000,000 10 year secured loan at a fixed rate of 5.08 percent. Speaker 100:07:44Proceeds will be used Speaker 200:07:45to repay unsecured bonds maturing in May 2024. In the interim, the proceeds will be invested in short term cash accounts, resulting in a positive impact to FFO And we will now turn the call over to our operator for the Q4 of fiscal 2020. Finally, our balance sheet metrics remain strong. Leverage continues to decline and our net debt to EBITDA ratio continues to trend lower and stands at 5.6 times today. We have minimal near term financing needs over the next 18 months and over $1,600,000,000 in liquidity. Speaker 200:08:39As such, the company remains in a strong financial position. I'll now turn the call over to Jessica Anderson. Speaker 300:08:46Thanks Barb. I'll begin my comments today by providing color on our recent operating results and strategy and followed by regional commentary. I was pleased with our operating results from the Q2, including a same property revenue increase of 4% year over year. For the 1st several months of the year, we maintained an occupancy focused leasing strategy to mitigate expected headwinds from eviction related move outs. This approach helped us exceed revenue expectations in the first half of the year and left us well positioned to push rate during peak leasing season, which continues today. Speaker 300:09:21Our new lease trade out July. Renewal trade out is stable and averaged 3.4%, resulting in blended net effective rent growth of 2.2% for the 2nd quarter. These results were achieved despite increased turnover driven by eviction related move outs. Given ongoing delinquency We will continue to work through evictions for the rest of the year and anticipate some of this activity spilling over into 2024. Moving on to regional specific commentary. Speaker 300:10:02In Battle, blended net effective rent growth averaged negative 0.2% for the 2nd quarter, dragging down the portfolio average. This is attributed to 2 key factors. 1st is the year over year comp. In the Q2 of 2022, Seattle generated a portfolio leading net effective rent growth of over 16%. 2nd, Seattle remains our most seasonal market, thus is more sensitive to changes in the operating environment. Speaker 300:10:29You may recall during the back half of twenty twenty two, The Seattle market experienced increased supply during a period of softening demand, which heavily impacted rents as we headed into 2023. However, throughout the Q2, we saw a steady strengthening of demand, particularly in Seattle CBD that coincided with Amazon's mandatory May 1 return to office of 3 days a week. Strong leasing activity drove a collective Moving on to Northern California. Blended net effective rent growth averaged 1.5% for the 2nd quarter. Oakland continues to be impacted by supply, posting a negative 0.4% for the quarter, diluting the healthy 2.7 achieved in San Jose, where the bulk of our Northern California portfolio is located. Speaker 300:11:29Despite the tech employment headlines, we still experienced Corporate housing activity associated with the large tech companies, albeit muted from last year, which helps support seasonal demand. Quarter end occupancy was also solid at 96.7%. Lastly, in Southern California, blended net effective rent growth 4.1% for the quarter, driven by continued strength in San Diego, Ventura and Orange County. Los Angeles is pulling the average down with a 1.9% blended lease trade out for the quarter. However, because of eviction activity in this market, Rent growth and occupancy are expected to run lower relative to the rest of Southern California for the remainder of the year. Speaker 300:12:11Quarter end occupancy in Southern California was 96.3%. In summary, we are encouraged by our results for the first half of the year in the current operating environment. As we begin the Q3, we are well positioned with the current physical occupancy of 96.7% coupled with strong leasing activity across all markets. Speaker 200:12:31As we look to the back half Speaker 300:12:32of the year, we will reassess our rent growth focused strategy as the summer leasing season wraps up in the next 30 days and maintain our flexible approach to maximize revenue in a variety of market conditions. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:49Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Thank you. Our first question is from Eric Wolf with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:13:20Hey, thanks. I think at NAREIT, you mentioned that you saw some earlier move outs of nonpaying tenants, which was which partly was impacting your pricing and use of concessions. But based on your comments and just looking at the July data, it seems like Your delinquent percentage is staying about the same. So I'm just trying to reconcile that and try to understand when we might actually see the delinquent percentage come down. Speaker 200:13:48Hi, Eric. It's Barb. I would say, is generally tracking in line. We were ahead in the 1st 6 months relative to our plan primarily due to emergency rental assistance payments. July is generally unplanned and we do expect that number will continue to trend lower and by the end of the year will be below 2%. Speaker 200:14:08We left our midpoint unchanged at 2% for the full year, but we are making progress, but it's slow. It's dependent upon the courts and Just resident behavior, so it's a little bit out of our control. Speaker 400:14:23Understood. But I guess just to be clear, I If I look at the sort of May data around new leases, you're using concessions, that was what was depressing that number. I mean, I guess what drove that then? And then what changed to allow you to feel more comfortable to push rate? Speaker 300:14:42This is Jessica. Hi, Eric. I'll take that. With regards to our shift in strategy, around mid May, we Changed from an occupancy focused strategy to more focused on rent growth. And to your point, what got us more comfortable with that? Speaker 300:14:57Well, a couple of things. One would be really the macroeconomic outlook. The headlines that we're seeing earlier in the year and the layoffs and the headlines overall were concerning and so we took a proactive approach And the layoffs subsided and we started seeing strengthening. And then in addition to that, with regards to the eviction, they've been coming back at a pretty Steady pace, which is manageable. And so based on the strength we were seeing in the markets and the manageable pace At which we were getting the evictions, we felt comfortable shifting to a rate growth focus. Speaker 300:15:37And what you're seeing in April May that we had shared as far As our trade out numbers though reflects concession usage that was predominantly in April, we averaged about a week Free at that point, we did go through a glut of evictions that we wanted to offset and reposition our occupancy at a higher rate right before peak And some of that activity spilled over into May. But as of today, concession usage is minimal across all of our markets. Speaker 400:16:07Okay. All right. Thank you. Operator00:16:12Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:16:19Yes, thanks. Good morning. Just to follow-up on Eric's question, just to be clear. So your delinquencies baked into guidance are Basically 2% for Q3 and Q4. And then secondly, can you just provide some color on what your blended, I guess, rate expectations are for Q3 and Q4. Speaker 200:16:42Hi, Steve. This is Barbara. I'll take the first Part of that question. And so in terms of delinquency, yes, it's roughly 2% for the full year. We're at 2.1% to date, year to date. Speaker 200:16:53And so it's a little bit under that in the back half of the year. Like I said, we do expect it to continue to trend favorable, But it is it's an inherent lumpy number and so it's difficult to predict month to month, but end of the year should be less than 2% for sure. And then, the blended Yes, Operator00:17:13Jessica can Speaker 200:17:14answer that. Hi, Steve. This is Jessica. Speaker 300:17:16As far as blended goes, I'm going to break that out into new lease and to renewals. And so year to date for our new leases, we've achieved 1.1%, but keep in mind That reflects our focus on maintaining a high occupancy earlier in the year. And so we gave Approximately, it's over half a week in concession to maintain that higher occupancy. And when we look at our S-seventeen outlook, we've revised it from 2% full year Brent grows to 2.5%, which reflects the broader expectations of the market. And so in order to make it apples To apples, we have to adjust our first half. Speaker 300:17:55And so essentially a half a week is 1% of rent growth. And so if you add that To our 1.1%, you get to a 2.1%, which leads us to 2.8% for new lease growth expected for the back Half of the year and based on the strength that we're seeing in the markets right now and then the easier comps that we'll be facing in Q3, particularly Q4, That is an achievable number. And then as far as renewals go, renewals are reaccelerating. We've sent renewals Renewals had come down, which essentially to 2.8% preliminary for July and renewals Trail new leases by approximately 60 to 90 days. So wherever new leases go, renewals end up following, but we've been able to achieve some Solid rent growth, and so therefore the renewals reaccelerate and expect renewals to be around 4% for the back half of the year. Speaker 500:18:59Great. Thanks very much. Operator00:19:05Thank you. Our next question is from Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:19:12Great. Thank you. So given the strength that you highlighted year to date, the benefit to same store revenue growth in the first half of the year As well as some of the new lease rate growth momentum you achieved in June July, I guess why leave your back half same store revenue growth guidance of 3% unchanged? Speaker 200:19:33Yes. This is Barb. Hi, Austin. I would say, I think we know We've done the vast majority of our leases. We still have some to go. Speaker 200:19:42So we know where leases are going to trend this year in that top line number. If we get substantially more rent growth from here, it's really going to benefit 2024 at this point versus 2023 given the amount of time that's And the number of leases that we have left to sign is lower in the 3rd Q4. And so I think that's the biggest factor. The biggest factor to our guidance at this point in terms of same store is really delinquency. It can swing up or down. Speaker 200:20:14That's The biggest wildcard right now, I think the other components of the same store revenue are pretty dialed in. Speaker 500:20:23Got it. And then Jessica, I think you said 2.8% new lease rate growth in the back half of the year. Just trying to understand the cadence of that through the back half, obviously starting in the low 2% range here. You've got easier comps Coming given the deceleration you saw last year. So can you give us a sense of that cadence? Speaker 500:20:42And then from a back half perspective, What type of seasonality did you underwrite for the back half? Speaker 300:20:53Okay. So as far as where we see the rate trade out going, would expect that slightly different by market, but expect that to Accelerate from here, it will be higher in Q4 and that's simply based on the comps as you pointed out. And then as far as seasonality goes, we see this as being a typical year and we may have a prolonged Peak, we've been monitoring our rents and typically we peak in NorCal and Seattle around right around about now or mid July and then SoCal is often a little bit later. But as of this week, we're still seeing rents accelerate in San Jose specifically in Southern California and some of our other markets, are leveling off at this point. So Pretty normal, but we're seeing strong leasing on the ground, and anticipate a typical seasonal slowdown. Operator00:21:52That's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Jamie Feldman with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:22:03Great. Thank you. Your comments and also EQR's comment earlier talked about Maybe an improving return to office, especially in the Bay Area. Can you talk more about what you're seeing? And also, how do you think about the implications for suburban versus urban type assets as more people are getting pulled into cities. Speaker 600:22:22I think their comment was The urban more urban demand people want to be closer to their workplaces. Speaker 100:22:32Hey, Jamie, it's Angela here. I think there are a couple of things that are different between how our portfolio is Located versus EQR and where the key job nodes are in California versus the rest of the country. So I'll start there. So as it relates to the urban, suburban conversation, Keep in mind that in California, most of the large tech companies are actually suburban based. And so that of course, For us, it's always been a benefit even pre COVID and the underlying strength is Couple of factors, right? Speaker 100:23:14Lower supply in the suburban markets. The cities are tougher quality of life, more homeless and some of these other issues. And of course, the proximity to employers are much more favorable from that perspective. And so from that perspective, Essex, our view is that the suburban still is more compelling than the urban and that is consistent to our prior investment thesis even before COVID. As far as the return to office, We saw that in Seattle with Amazon, early May. Speaker 100:23:56And although I do want to say that that was Somewhat muted and normal just because of the layoff announcements. And so it was really people digesting and getting rehired. And so from the return to office activity, what we would expect to see is that it'd be more pronounced in September with Meta and some of these other larger companies. Essex, for us, we're doing the same thing. We are mandating a 3 day order to office now until September after Labor Day as well. Speaker 100:24:28And so we do see that at that point, the activities will resume in a more robust way. Speaker 600:24:39Okay. Thank you. And then as we think about your Expenses heading into kind of late into Q4 or even into next year. Can you just talk a little bit about where you think you may see either The greatest moderation or maybe some acceleration in operating expense growth across the major line items? Speaker 200:24:59Yes, this is Barb. I would say in the back half of this year, We have easier comps as it relates to eviction costs and turnover because we had those expenses last year in Q4. So some of the expenses that we've seen in the Q1 and some of our high R and M and admin Expenses will moderate in the back half of the year just on a year over year growth basis. I would say in terms of other lines this year, I don't see significant change in any other major line this year. I think we've got expenses pretty dialed in For this year, we do know taxes and insurance. Speaker 200:25:43As we look to 2024, it's difficult to predict just yet where we're going to Land, we'll be going through our budget process here this quarter and I'll have more clarity on the next quarter call. The one line item that we've talked about in the past is insurance. It still is a very challenging market. We would expect that we would be up 20 plus percent next year on the insurance line, but keep in mind that's a very small line for us. It's only like 4% of our total OpEx spend. Speaker 200:26:12So While the headline number is large, it's a small component of our OpEx. And outside of that, and outside of the favorable Taxes we have in California where they only grow 2%, we need a little more time to dial in 2024. Speaker 600:26:30Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I guess just sticking with insurance, are you seeing any lightening up from the insurance company In terms of what they're willing to offer or has they filled up their capital reserves or no, you think it's going to be another tough year? Speaker 200:26:46Right now, based on what we know, we believe it will be a tough year. We're going to go through our renewal in the 4th Quarter of this year, our renewal comes up in December. And so I'll have more clarity on the next call in terms of that market. But based on what we're hearing, we think it's still A very challenging market. Operator00:27:06Thank you. Our next question is from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler, please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:27:13Hey, good morning out there. So two questions. First, Angela, You'd made comments before that sort of outward migration from California is always a constant, but It's the HB1 visas, the overseas tech workers, etcetera, entrepreneurs who immigrate to the country that offset and drive. So just sort of curious, what's the latest on tech hiring from overseas, whether it's permanent or The annual consultants who they bring in, just curious what's going on there? Speaker 100:27:52Yes, Alex, that's a good question. We haven't seen an active hiring from an international basis yet. And what we have seen is on a Net migration for California as a whole, so this is market as a whole, that net outflow remains negative, but It hasn't been it's gotten better. So during COVID, it was an extreme outflow. And now when we look at the net migration Our flow number is pretty consistent to pre COVID. Speaker 100:28:24And so we do think that once we have that international, It would definitely be a good tailwind. As far as when we look at our own portfolio, just on a more granular level, so this is move ins. We saw a pop last year between the 1st and third quarter with California reopening and that acceleration was Yes, definitely very encouraging to see. And since then, the move out, obviously, it's not going to continue at that level in terms of acceleration, but I'm sorry, I meant to say the move ins, but it has remained positive and it's been stable. And so that's another good sign. Speaker 700:29:08Okay. Second question is on Capital Markets. You guys did a secured loan that wasn't for a JV. Normally, I guess in REIT land for the investment grade companies, we expect secured loans either in times of distress or for a joint venture asset here. It seems like the unsecured debt markets are open. Speaker 700:29:26So just sort of curious, the decision on that and also I imagine there were probably a bunch of people who are out there hungry to buy more of your unsecured. So maybe it's just, maybe you have something else planned later in the year that satisfies But just sort of curious about the decision to do secured and what seems to be a functioning unsecured debt market? Speaker 200:29:50Hi, Alex, it's Barb. That's a great question. I will tell you, we do prefer unsecured debt and that's And kind of our ammo for many, many years, that's the way we finance the balance sheet. In this environment though, we saw a Significant pricing differential between the secured and the unsecured market. So while we locked in our The secured loans at 5.08 percent, if we were to go to do an unsecured bond, it would have been 65 to 75 basis points wide of that. Speaker 200:30:25And so that pricing differential was so great that we decided To move forward with the secured side of the equation, 95% of our NOI is unencumbered and so we have lots of room within our covenants to secure a few assets. And there's no change in our overall balance sheet philosophy. It was just really a pricing differential that made us move the way we did. Speaker 700:30:47Okay. Thank you. Operator00:30:51Thank you. Our next question is from Josh Bederlein with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:30:57Yes. Hey, everyone. Thanks for the time. Just wanted to ask about the R and M same Store expenses, it looks like it was impacted by storms and flooding damage in the first half of the year. One, is that all behind us now, so it will kind of normalize out in 3Q. Speaker 700:31:13And then, what would that trend look like if you could strip out the storm impact? Speaker 200:31:23Hi, this is Barb again. Yes, you are correct. It is impacted by some of the spillover from Storm and flood damage cleanup costs in the 2nd quarter. We had a lot in the Q1 and some of it's still in the 2nd quarter. And it also had higher turnover costs, because keep in mind, we are getting back units. Speaker 200:31:42And so it's that and then just general inflation Inflationary pressures within the R and M space. And so it's 3 components. In terms of if we just pulled out the flood, I don't have that in front of me. I'll get back on what that would be, but it's really all three of those components that drove that increase. In the back half of the year though, I do expect that number to come down. Speaker 200:32:04First of all, we don't expect the same level of storms or floods. It's not a rainy season here right now. And so that should abate and not be in our 3rd or 4th And then the eviction related turnover costs, we have easier comps in the 3rd Q4 because we started incurring those last year in the 3rd and Q4. So that 14% that we had in the 3rd quarter should moderate significantly in the 3rd and fourth quarter. Speaker 700:32:33Okay. I appreciate that Barb. And then, can you just clarify when exactly you made that strategy shift from Occupancy to rate growth. And then, I guess, my real question is, does that imply you have a bigger mark to market? I'm not sure if you Actually set the mark to market at this time. Speaker 300:32:53Yes. Hi, Josh. This is Jessica. Yes, we switched, really about mid May. And as far as the mark to market, we're looking right now our lost lease is 1.7%. Speaker 300:33:06But as I mentioned earlier, Still seeing our rents grow in some markets, and so expect that potentially to go up a little bit more. Speaker 700:33:17Okay. Is that about average of the loss to lease at this time of year, 1.7? Or is it a little bit below Normal because of that, the initial strategy on the occupancy? Speaker 300:33:29Yes, it's definitely a little suppressed based on our approach, which are approached earlier in the year. Operator00:33:38Thank you. Our next question is from Nick Yubico with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with Speaker 400:33:46your question. Operator00:33:53Nick, is your line on mute? Speaker 800:34:01It's Daniel Serkarek on for Nick. I can ask a question. So, July new lease rates accelerated nicely from 2Q. So, just curious what markets drove that sequential improvement? And 2nd, do you think it's possible to see continued acceleration given some of your larger markets have lagged year to date and are, I guess, still recovering in a sense in tandem with the pretty benign supply backdrop. Speaker 300:34:28Hi, this is Jessica. Yes, we did see Seattle was a Large contributor to the sequential improvement followed by Northern California. Southern California has been performing pretty steadily. And then as far as specific markets, in Northern California, San Jose has been particularly strong, which reflects over 40% of our portfolio in the Bay Area. So we've seen strong occupancy, strong leasing demand. Speaker 300:34:56That one's encouraging. Certainly watching it, we've seen with all of the prior return to office announcements, so Amazon and Seattle CBD and then last With Google as well in the Bay Area, there's definitely demand associated to these return to office events. And so anticipating that Meta, which is in September, is going to have the same impact. I would imagine we're experiencing some of that demand right now. And then also as I mentioned in my Prepared remarks, the corporate housing activity, it is less than last year, but we still saw the activity this year, Which is always an encouraging sign as far as the health of the big tech employers. Speaker 300:35:39They certainly wouldn't be investing in Interns and contract work, if they were planning on tightening their belts and we've certainly seen an uptick in hiring as well. So San Jose has been doing quite well and then Seattle had already touched on the Seattle CBD and the Amazon returned to office. So that was And we're still seeing strength in demand today. However, it is our most seasonal market and so we certainly see the most pronounced Reduction in rents in the back half of the year in that market, but expect it to be in line with our typical seasonal curve and expectations There and then also supply, we do have some supply headwinds in Seattle. Some of it was pushed to the first half of 2024. Operator00:36:24So it's a Speaker 300:36:25little bit better than what we originally expected, but we still have, some supply on our radar there. Speaker 800:36:32Great. Thank you for that. And then I'm not sure if you have an answer to this question, but San Diego, one of your stronger markets, Wondering if you have a sense of like which employment sectors are driving demand in that market for your assets? Speaker 100:36:47Hey, it's Angela here. The key drivers in actually all of our markets have been In the Health Services and Education and of course, the Leisure and Hospitality as well. And so with San Diego rebounding, it's been good to see those activities coming back in a more robust way. Speaker 800:37:12Great. Thank you. Operator00:37:16Thank you. Our next question is from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. On the Washington property taxes coming in lower than expected, Was that Speaker 600:37:28due to a favorable appeal that Operator00:37:29you had or lower mill rates or something else? Speaker 200:37:35Hi, John, it's Barb. So, property taxes in Washington declined 1% year over year. 18%. So when we were budgeting, we knew assessed size were up quite a bit, but millage rates came down. And so that's what drove the Favorable year over year reduction in taxes. Speaker 200:37:55There was it wasn't based on a deal. Speaker 600:37:58Do you think that Rate is a good run rate going forward or is it more of a one time reduction? Speaker 200:38:06It's Really hard to know. So there's a lag effect in terms of when they do the bills. So our 2024 bills will be based off of 1 January of 2023 assessed values, which we don't know what those will be at this point. Obviously, values have changed over the last year, but it also depends on the millage rate and what the city does with that. And so that's always a wildcard factor. Speaker 200:38:30Historically, we've not had a reduction in Seattle taxes 2 years in a row, but so we'll have to just monitor and see Next year. I don't know if a negative one percent is a good way. I wouldn't use that. I don't think that's how we would view it, going forward, but we are Speaker 600:38:51Okay. My second question is on your lost lease. I think Jessica mentioned it was 1.7. Last year, Angela mentioned that the September loss of lease is a good indicator for your future earning. And I'm wondering how you think that trends just given the market rental rate assumption has gone up. Speaker 600:39:12I think you touched on this a little bit, but where do you see that September La Salise, go to. Speaker 300:39:19Well, it's definitely a little bit too early to predict that and we have well, we've had a typical Seasonal curve, it will be interesting to see how the back half of peak leasing season plays out. And yes, I did share we have the 1.7 percent loss to lease today, but based on several of our markets still accelerating with rent growth week over week that may grow from here. And also, the META return to office that we're watching and the demand overall in the Bay Area, could change, how we typically in August or September. So in short, it's a little bit early and yes, we will look at that in September as we typically do. Speaker 100:40:03Hey, Dawn. It's Angela. Just a little context. I think last Around this time, we were sitting around 7% loss lease and but We were looking at this seasonal curve that is occurring in a more the mere pre COVID What happened was the prior year, we didn't even peep until November. So it's been a little wonky coming out of COVID. Speaker 100:40:34And so it's September generally as a rule of thumb is a good data point, but just because of the uniqueness In the past couple of years, I just we didn't want anyone to just peg a June number as a good rule of thumb. Operator00:40:59Okay. Great color. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question is from Haendel Singh Juste with Mizuho. Operator00:41:06Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:41:09Hey, good morning still to you. So first question is on transactions. As we've heard, as we've seen, it's still pretty stalled. But you mentioned that you're diligently underwriting deals. So I'm curious Where you peg the bid ask spread at today and where asset pricing would need to be for you to get more active? Speaker 600:41:30Thanks. Speaker 900:41:32Hi, Haendel. This is Adam. So yes, we are underwriting every deal in the market. And even though in Q2, volume went down pretty Considerably, Q3, I expected to be increased just given the amount of activity in the market today. So we are underwriting A lot of deals right now and there isn't much of a bid ask spread. Speaker 900:41:54I think many of the deals most of the deals that are on the market today Will make, so I think there will be capitulation on both sides and a meeting of the minds. And I think echoing what Angela said in her opening comments, I think those are going to be in the mid-4s to low-5s range depending on product, location and then specific circumstances, whether there's Assumable debt or some tax abatements. So, as far as when we will be back in the market, I think that's really highly dependent on where our cost of capital is. So given where we're trading today that it's hard to make accretive deals in the mid-4s to low-5s. And so, we will continue to market or continue to monitor the market and We will act when it makes sense. Speaker 600:42:48Got you. Got you. That's helpful. Operator00:42:50A follow-up on the conversation around concessions. Speaker 600:42:52Can you guys provide a more detailed breakdown perhaps by region, What the average concession that you're providing in your locale, so Cal and Seattle regions are? And then also a loss to lease by region? Thanks. Speaker 300:43:06Sure. This is Jessica. So concessions in Q2 by region, so if we look at Southern California, it's at a little less than a half a week, Northern California, 1 week and Seattle, a little bit over So that gets us to 0.7 weeks overall. And keep in mind that a lot of that was concentrated in the April time some of it spilled over into May by the time we got to the end of the quarter. We pretty much have no concessions across the portfolio with the exception of a very small portion of our portfolio that is exposed to lease ups like 10 to 15 properties or so. Speaker 300:43:48And then as far as loss to lease, by market, Southern California 2.5 percent Northern California Speaker 600:44:05But what's the embedded assumption for bad debt impact to revenue in the back half of the year? Thanks. Speaker 200:44:13Hi, Haendel. It's Barb. It's roughly 2%, a little bit under 2%, consistent with the full year forecast. Sorry. Speaker 600:44:30You're saying that the expectations by year end, is that the incremental benefit you're expecting back half year? Speaker 200:44:36No, that's the assumption. So we assume 2% for the full year. We're at 2.1% through the 1st 6 months of the year. We assume effectively like 1.9% in the back half of the year to hit our 2.0% for the full year. So it is an incremental improvement Speaker 500:44:52And back half as Speaker 600:44:53well. 23rd. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:44:59Thank you. Our next question is from Robin Liu with Green Street. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:45:06Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just following up on a question earlier, what's the total magnitude of acquisitions you're hoping to achieve in the back half of this year? Speaker 900:45:19Hi, Robin. This is Adam. So at this point, Our intention is to well, our guidance really is not to acquire anything in the back half of the year. We like I said, we've been underwriting everything and if there are deals that make sense strategically, that fit in with our portfolio whether through economies of scale or other methods, then we will focus more on those deals. But for the moment, given our cost of capital, We wouldn't expect much on the acquisitions front. Speaker 1000:45:52So with I guess, in a scenario where there's minimal acquisitions and no development starts penciled, do you expect stock how does stock buybacks Stack up in terms of midterm priorities for capital allocation? Speaker 200:46:12Yes, I mean we did do stock buybacks in the Q1 and we will assess our sources of capital to do that because we want to maintain our balance sheet strength and a leverage neutral approach to the stock buyback. So we would need a source of capital to continue to buy back the stock and so that would imply that we would dispose of something. So it will all depend on where we can find opportunities to add value to the bottom line, because at the end of the day that's Our goal on the external front is how can we grow accretively. And to Adam's point, it's hard to do it via acquisitions today, but It doesn't mean that we're just going to go buy back the stock. We would need a source of capital to do that as well. Speaker 200:46:52So it will all go into the mix. Speaker 1000:46:56Appreciate that response. And then finally from me, can you give us a rough Direction on what percentage of the $100,000,000 outstanding delinquencies that you think you'll ultimately be able to collect? Speaker 200:47:12Yes, that's a great question. It's difficult to know. I mean, obviously, we'll get Some of that, but and then none of that is baked into our guidance for delinquency this year. We are making progress The problem is until the courts get caught up, delinquency keeps accruing because we have tenants that are in our properties a lot longer than they were Historically, pre COVID, if somebody went delinquent, they were out within 2 to 3 months. And now if they go delinquent, they're out in 9 to 12 months. Speaker 200:47:44And so that's part of the compounding problem on the delinquency side and the cumulative delinquency side. In terms of what we're going to collect, I can't give you a number. It's just too hard to predict. Operator00:47:58Do you Speaker 1000:47:58think it's closer to 10%, 20% or towards 50%? I understand it's very hard to predict. Speaker 200:48:08Yes. I'm not going to throw out a number because it's just not something that we know with any sort of certainty at this point. We're working hard to collect every dime that we can. We've used all measures possible to go after these tenants who Our delinquent and have delinquent balances, but it's not a number I can throw out there. Speaker 1000:48:30Appreciate that. Thank you. Operator00:48:34Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1100:48:41Good afternoon. Thanks a lot for taking my questions. For the LA market, are you seeing any pressure from the writers and actor strikes? Or does your guidance contemplate any impact from this? Speaker 300:48:54Hi, this is Jessica. I'll speak to as far as the on the ground We have not seen any impact from the strike at this point. We track our exposure to the major studios and it's less than 1% of our LA portfolio. And so I think it really comes down to how long the strike is going to go on and And if there is potentially a ripple effect to other industries. But at this point, we do not seeing it have a material impact on our portfolio, Would have to go on for some time. Speaker 300:49:27There may be specific property impact, but not to the larger Speaker 200:49:32portfolio as a whole. Speaker 1100:49:35That's helpful context. And for my follow-up question, when you look at the A versus B quality properties, are you seeing any And then, is there any differences in demand or tenant health and how that's trending between A versus B quality properties? Thanks. Speaker 300:49:54This is Jessica again. As far as A versus B, we do not see a material difference in performance. It's more really location. So back to the whole suburban versus urban concept and the bulk of our portfolio is suburban and we are strength in our suburban market versus some of the urban properties. And really, I think that's attributed to supply as well. Speaker 300:50:20When we look at where we have concentrations of supply, it is in these urban locations. So Seattle CBD, Downtown LA, West And that's where we would see rents lag. So urban versus suburban is where and we're seeing the difference. Speaker 1100:50:37Thank you very much. Operator00:50:41Thank you. Our next question is from Nathan Gould with Robert W. Baird, please proceed with your question. Hey, good morning out there. Can you speak to what is driving the strength in San Diego? Operator00:50:53In which market or markets do you believe will be the next to see a rebound? Speaker 300:50:59This is Jessica. So yes, San Diego has been a phenomenal market for us. I think it benefited during the pandemic. It was a popular Area to relocate to, rents were lower and overall great quality of life. And as Angela mentioned earlier, there's some underlying Employment industries that have strength there. Speaker 300:51:20So San Diego has been very solid and we expect it to continue to perform well. As far as other markets That I have my eye on that are showing signs of strength, go back up to the Bay Area with San Jose, Just to reiterate what I'm seeing there, that's been a strong market for us. And then when you couple that with The recovery is well that we still anticipate with continued return to office and where we're at relative to pre COVID rents, there's definitely an upside there. And then up in the Seattle area for similar reasons, but of course, we're going to be facing some supply Headwinds there over the next year. Operator00:52:05Great. Thank you. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. This does conclude today's conference.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallEssex Property Trust Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xRemove Ads Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Essex Property Trust Earnings HeadlinesEssex Property Trust, Inc. 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There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day, and welcome to the Essex Property Trust Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Statements made on this conference call regarding expected operating results and other future events are forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Forward looking statements are made based on current expectations, assumptions and beliefs as well as information available to the company at this time. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Operator00:00:30Further information about these risks can be found on the company's filings with the SEC. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ms. Angela Kleinman, President and Chief Executive Officer for Essex Property Trust. Thank you, Ms. Kliman. Operator00:00:44You may begin. Speaker 100:00:49Good morning. Thank you for joining Essex's 2nd quarter earnings call. Barb PAC and Jessica Anderson will follow me with prepared remarks and Adam Barry is here for Q and A. We delivered a solid second quarter with core FFO per share exceeding the high end of our guidance range. In addition, we are pleased to announce a meaningful increase to our 2023 guidance for same property revenues, NOI and core FFO per share growth. Speaker 100:01:16Barb will discuss this further in a moment. Our performance today demonstrates the underlying strength of the West Coast economy along with continued refinement to our operating strategy. My remarks today will focus on our 2023 revised outlook for the West Coast and conclude with an update on the transaction market. Starting with expectations for the balance of the year. As shown on Page S-seventeen of the supplemental, our improved outlook reflects The year to date resilience of the economy and labor markets, both surpassing our initial forecast. Speaker 100:01:50This dynamic, coupled with slowing apartment deliveries, Have contributed to a healthy demand for rental housing in our markets. As a result, we raised our average market rent growth expectations for the West Coast by 50 basis points to 2.5 percent with notable increases to San Diego and San Jose. Demand associated with job growth is a key driver to the revision. We now expect our markets to generate 1.7% job growth for the full year. This is mostly attributable to the growth achieved in the first half of the year with our markets posting 2.6% job growth on a trailing 3 month average through June. Speaker 100:02:30Additionally, the layoff announcements from the largest technology companies have proven less consequential than headlines suggested, with only a fraction occurring within our markets and the vast majority of those affected quickly finding new employment. Turning to the supply outlook. Our research forecast a slight reduction in 2023 deliveries as a few Delayed projects get pushed into 2024. While we have been pleased with the steady job growth achieved on the West Coast to start the year, We remain cognizant of the potential for more interest rate increases given the Fed's focus on inflation reduction. Thus, our job outlook contemplates a moderating economy as we approach year end. Speaker 100:03:15And accordingly, our base case expectation assumes modest market rent growth for the remainder of the year. Looking forward to the next several years, We see the West Coast as uniquely positioned to generate above average rent growth based on 3 key factors present today. First and most importantly, the West Coast supply outlook is relatively muted and a multiyear lead time is required to develop new housing in our markets. With permitting activities declining, we expect to benefit from moderate supply levels for years to come. 2nd is rental affordability. Speaker 100:03:52Since 2020, average personal income in the Essex market has grown over 20% compared to cumulative rent growth of 10%, resulting in attractive rental affordability. Furthermore, high cost of home ownership continues to favor renting. It is now over 2 times more expensive to own compared to rent in the Essex market. 3rd, solid demand drivers. Our Southern region continues to demonstrate stable growth supported by a diverse and vibrant economy. Speaker 100:04:23Likewise, the Northern region economies are steadily growing. A key driver is the investment in AI companies that are largely concentrated in Northern California. We've seen open positions of the Top 10 tech companies improved gradually each month since the trough earlier this year. Lastly, fully remote as a percent of total job postings has significantly declined at below 10% in June. For these reasons, we expect the West Coast to continue gaining momentum for the remainder of 20 20 and outperform over the next several years. Speaker 100:04:59Lastly, turning to the investment markets. Transaction activities in the West Coast have remained muted. Similar to the Q1, volume in the Q2 was about 55% lower than the same period prior year with cap rates in the mid-four percent to low 5% range for institutional quality properties. We are starting to see more deals actively marketed at similar valuation levels. Interests from a healthy group of buyers range from local syndicators to large for institutional and foreign investors. Speaker 100:05:30As expected, leverage buyers remain largely on the sidelines, waiting for more clarity on interest rates. We continue to diligently underwrite deals as we are well positioned to be opportunistic. With that, I'll turn the call over to Barbara Peck. Speaker 200:05:45Thanks, Angela. I'll begin with a brief overview of our 2nd quarter results, discuss increases to our full year guidance and provide an update on Capital Markets and the balance sheet. Beginning with our 2nd quarter performance, I'm pleased to report we achieved core FFO per share of $3.77 This result exceeded the midpoint of our guidance range by $0.08 per share, of which $0.06 is attributable to better revenue growth and lower property taxes in Washington. Our favorable year to date results have enabled us to increase the full year midpoint of our same property revenue growth by approximately 40 basis points to 4.4%. The increase is due to higher occupancy and net effective rents achieved year to date, partially offset by higher delinquency in the second half of the year as compared to our original forecast. Speaker 200:06:38As it relates to same property operating We have reduced our midpoint by 100 basis points to 4% as a result of a reduction in Washington property taxes. Due to these revisions, our full year same property NOI growth has increased to 4.5% at the midpoint, representing a 90 basis points improvement to our guidance to our initial guidance. As a result of our Strong second quarter and revisions to our same property outlook, we are raising the full year midpoint of core FFO by $0.22 to $15 per share, which represents 3.4% year over year growth. Turning to Capital Markets activities. We have historically been proactive in managing our capital needs and debt maturity profile, taking advantage of attractive opportunities in the market to refinance our debt early, minimizing our near term capital needs and maximizing our financial flexibility. Speaker 200:07:36Subsequent to quarter end, we closed the 298,000,000 10 year secured loan at a fixed rate of 5.08 percent. Speaker 100:07:44Proceeds will be used Speaker 200:07:45to repay unsecured bonds maturing in May 2024. In the interim, the proceeds will be invested in short term cash accounts, resulting in a positive impact to FFO And we will now turn the call over to our operator for the Q4 of fiscal 2020. Finally, our balance sheet metrics remain strong. Leverage continues to decline and our net debt to EBITDA ratio continues to trend lower and stands at 5.6 times today. We have minimal near term financing needs over the next 18 months and over $1,600,000,000 in liquidity. Speaker 200:08:39As such, the company remains in a strong financial position. I'll now turn the call over to Jessica Anderson. Speaker 300:08:46Thanks Barb. I'll begin my comments today by providing color on our recent operating results and strategy and followed by regional commentary. I was pleased with our operating results from the Q2, including a same property revenue increase of 4% year over year. For the 1st several months of the year, we maintained an occupancy focused leasing strategy to mitigate expected headwinds from eviction related move outs. This approach helped us exceed revenue expectations in the first half of the year and left us well positioned to push rate during peak leasing season, which continues today. Speaker 300:09:21Our new lease trade out July. Renewal trade out is stable and averaged 3.4%, resulting in blended net effective rent growth of 2.2% for the 2nd quarter. These results were achieved despite increased turnover driven by eviction related move outs. Given ongoing delinquency We will continue to work through evictions for the rest of the year and anticipate some of this activity spilling over into 2024. Moving on to regional specific commentary. Speaker 300:10:02In Battle, blended net effective rent growth averaged negative 0.2% for the 2nd quarter, dragging down the portfolio average. This is attributed to 2 key factors. 1st is the year over year comp. In the Q2 of 2022, Seattle generated a portfolio leading net effective rent growth of over 16%. 2nd, Seattle remains our most seasonal market, thus is more sensitive to changes in the operating environment. Speaker 300:10:29You may recall during the back half of twenty twenty two, The Seattle market experienced increased supply during a period of softening demand, which heavily impacted rents as we headed into 2023. However, throughout the Q2, we saw a steady strengthening of demand, particularly in Seattle CBD that coincided with Amazon's mandatory May 1 return to office of 3 days a week. Strong leasing activity drove a collective Moving on to Northern California. Blended net effective rent growth averaged 1.5% for the 2nd quarter. Oakland continues to be impacted by supply, posting a negative 0.4% for the quarter, diluting the healthy 2.7 achieved in San Jose, where the bulk of our Northern California portfolio is located. Speaker 300:11:29Despite the tech employment headlines, we still experienced Corporate housing activity associated with the large tech companies, albeit muted from last year, which helps support seasonal demand. Quarter end occupancy was also solid at 96.7%. Lastly, in Southern California, blended net effective rent growth 4.1% for the quarter, driven by continued strength in San Diego, Ventura and Orange County. Los Angeles is pulling the average down with a 1.9% blended lease trade out for the quarter. However, because of eviction activity in this market, Rent growth and occupancy are expected to run lower relative to the rest of Southern California for the remainder of the year. Speaker 300:12:11Quarter end occupancy in Southern California was 96.3%. In summary, we are encouraged by our results for the first half of the year in the current operating environment. As we begin the Q3, we are well positioned with the current physical occupancy of 96.7% coupled with strong leasing activity across all markets. Speaker 200:12:31As we look to the back half Speaker 300:12:32of the year, we will reassess our rent growth focused strategy as the summer leasing season wraps up in the next 30 days and maintain our flexible approach to maximize revenue in a variety of market conditions. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:49Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Thank you. Our first question is from Eric Wolf with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:13:20Hey, thanks. I think at NAREIT, you mentioned that you saw some earlier move outs of nonpaying tenants, which was which partly was impacting your pricing and use of concessions. But based on your comments and just looking at the July data, it seems like Your delinquent percentage is staying about the same. So I'm just trying to reconcile that and try to understand when we might actually see the delinquent percentage come down. Speaker 200:13:48Hi, Eric. It's Barb. I would say, is generally tracking in line. We were ahead in the 1st 6 months relative to our plan primarily due to emergency rental assistance payments. July is generally unplanned and we do expect that number will continue to trend lower and by the end of the year will be below 2%. Speaker 200:14:08We left our midpoint unchanged at 2% for the full year, but we are making progress, but it's slow. It's dependent upon the courts and Just resident behavior, so it's a little bit out of our control. Speaker 400:14:23Understood. But I guess just to be clear, I If I look at the sort of May data around new leases, you're using concessions, that was what was depressing that number. I mean, I guess what drove that then? And then what changed to allow you to feel more comfortable to push rate? Speaker 300:14:42This is Jessica. Hi, Eric. I'll take that. With regards to our shift in strategy, around mid May, we Changed from an occupancy focused strategy to more focused on rent growth. And to your point, what got us more comfortable with that? Speaker 300:14:57Well, a couple of things. One would be really the macroeconomic outlook. The headlines that we're seeing earlier in the year and the layoffs and the headlines overall were concerning and so we took a proactive approach And the layoffs subsided and we started seeing strengthening. And then in addition to that, with regards to the eviction, they've been coming back at a pretty Steady pace, which is manageable. And so based on the strength we were seeing in the markets and the manageable pace At which we were getting the evictions, we felt comfortable shifting to a rate growth focus. Speaker 300:15:37And what you're seeing in April May that we had shared as far As our trade out numbers though reflects concession usage that was predominantly in April, we averaged about a week Free at that point, we did go through a glut of evictions that we wanted to offset and reposition our occupancy at a higher rate right before peak And some of that activity spilled over into May. But as of today, concession usage is minimal across all of our markets. Speaker 400:16:07Okay. All right. Thank you. Operator00:16:12Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:16:19Yes, thanks. Good morning. Just to follow-up on Eric's question, just to be clear. So your delinquencies baked into guidance are Basically 2% for Q3 and Q4. And then secondly, can you just provide some color on what your blended, I guess, rate expectations are for Q3 and Q4. Speaker 200:16:42Hi, Steve. This is Barbara. I'll take the first Part of that question. And so in terms of delinquency, yes, it's roughly 2% for the full year. We're at 2.1% to date, year to date. Speaker 200:16:53And so it's a little bit under that in the back half of the year. Like I said, we do expect it to continue to trend favorable, But it is it's an inherent lumpy number and so it's difficult to predict month to month, but end of the year should be less than 2% for sure. And then, the blended Yes, Operator00:17:13Jessica can Speaker 200:17:14answer that. Hi, Steve. This is Jessica. Speaker 300:17:16As far as blended goes, I'm going to break that out into new lease and to renewals. And so year to date for our new leases, we've achieved 1.1%, but keep in mind That reflects our focus on maintaining a high occupancy earlier in the year. And so we gave Approximately, it's over half a week in concession to maintain that higher occupancy. And when we look at our S-seventeen outlook, we've revised it from 2% full year Brent grows to 2.5%, which reflects the broader expectations of the market. And so in order to make it apples To apples, we have to adjust our first half. Speaker 300:17:55And so essentially a half a week is 1% of rent growth. And so if you add that To our 1.1%, you get to a 2.1%, which leads us to 2.8% for new lease growth expected for the back Half of the year and based on the strength that we're seeing in the markets right now and then the easier comps that we'll be facing in Q3, particularly Q4, That is an achievable number. And then as far as renewals go, renewals are reaccelerating. We've sent renewals Renewals had come down, which essentially to 2.8% preliminary for July and renewals Trail new leases by approximately 60 to 90 days. So wherever new leases go, renewals end up following, but we've been able to achieve some Solid rent growth, and so therefore the renewals reaccelerate and expect renewals to be around 4% for the back half of the year. Speaker 500:18:59Great. Thanks very much. Operator00:19:05Thank you. Our next question is from Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:19:12Great. Thank you. So given the strength that you highlighted year to date, the benefit to same store revenue growth in the first half of the year As well as some of the new lease rate growth momentum you achieved in June July, I guess why leave your back half same store revenue growth guidance of 3% unchanged? Speaker 200:19:33Yes. This is Barb. Hi, Austin. I would say, I think we know We've done the vast majority of our leases. We still have some to go. Speaker 200:19:42So we know where leases are going to trend this year in that top line number. If we get substantially more rent growth from here, it's really going to benefit 2024 at this point versus 2023 given the amount of time that's And the number of leases that we have left to sign is lower in the 3rd Q4. And so I think that's the biggest factor. The biggest factor to our guidance at this point in terms of same store is really delinquency. It can swing up or down. Speaker 200:20:14That's The biggest wildcard right now, I think the other components of the same store revenue are pretty dialed in. Speaker 500:20:23Got it. And then Jessica, I think you said 2.8% new lease rate growth in the back half of the year. Just trying to understand the cadence of that through the back half, obviously starting in the low 2% range here. You've got easier comps Coming given the deceleration you saw last year. So can you give us a sense of that cadence? Speaker 500:20:42And then from a back half perspective, What type of seasonality did you underwrite for the back half? Speaker 300:20:53Okay. So as far as where we see the rate trade out going, would expect that slightly different by market, but expect that to Accelerate from here, it will be higher in Q4 and that's simply based on the comps as you pointed out. And then as far as seasonality goes, we see this as being a typical year and we may have a prolonged Peak, we've been monitoring our rents and typically we peak in NorCal and Seattle around right around about now or mid July and then SoCal is often a little bit later. But as of this week, we're still seeing rents accelerate in San Jose specifically in Southern California and some of our other markets, are leveling off at this point. So Pretty normal, but we're seeing strong leasing on the ground, and anticipate a typical seasonal slowdown. Operator00:21:52That's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Jamie Feldman with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:22:03Great. Thank you. Your comments and also EQR's comment earlier talked about Maybe an improving return to office, especially in the Bay Area. Can you talk more about what you're seeing? And also, how do you think about the implications for suburban versus urban type assets as more people are getting pulled into cities. Speaker 600:22:22I think their comment was The urban more urban demand people want to be closer to their workplaces. Speaker 100:22:32Hey, Jamie, it's Angela here. I think there are a couple of things that are different between how our portfolio is Located versus EQR and where the key job nodes are in California versus the rest of the country. So I'll start there. So as it relates to the urban, suburban conversation, Keep in mind that in California, most of the large tech companies are actually suburban based. And so that of course, For us, it's always been a benefit even pre COVID and the underlying strength is Couple of factors, right? Speaker 100:23:14Lower supply in the suburban markets. The cities are tougher quality of life, more homeless and some of these other issues. And of course, the proximity to employers are much more favorable from that perspective. And so from that perspective, Essex, our view is that the suburban still is more compelling than the urban and that is consistent to our prior investment thesis even before COVID. As far as the return to office, We saw that in Seattle with Amazon, early May. Speaker 100:23:56And although I do want to say that that was Somewhat muted and normal just because of the layoff announcements. And so it was really people digesting and getting rehired. And so from the return to office activity, what we would expect to see is that it'd be more pronounced in September with Meta and some of these other larger companies. Essex, for us, we're doing the same thing. We are mandating a 3 day order to office now until September after Labor Day as well. Speaker 100:24:28And so we do see that at that point, the activities will resume in a more robust way. Speaker 600:24:39Okay. Thank you. And then as we think about your Expenses heading into kind of late into Q4 or even into next year. Can you just talk a little bit about where you think you may see either The greatest moderation or maybe some acceleration in operating expense growth across the major line items? Speaker 200:24:59Yes, this is Barb. I would say in the back half of this year, We have easier comps as it relates to eviction costs and turnover because we had those expenses last year in Q4. So some of the expenses that we've seen in the Q1 and some of our high R and M and admin Expenses will moderate in the back half of the year just on a year over year growth basis. I would say in terms of other lines this year, I don't see significant change in any other major line this year. I think we've got expenses pretty dialed in For this year, we do know taxes and insurance. Speaker 200:25:43As we look to 2024, it's difficult to predict just yet where we're going to Land, we'll be going through our budget process here this quarter and I'll have more clarity on the next quarter call. The one line item that we've talked about in the past is insurance. It still is a very challenging market. We would expect that we would be up 20 plus percent next year on the insurance line, but keep in mind that's a very small line for us. It's only like 4% of our total OpEx spend. Speaker 200:26:12So While the headline number is large, it's a small component of our OpEx. And outside of that, and outside of the favorable Taxes we have in California where they only grow 2%, we need a little more time to dial in 2024. Speaker 600:26:30Okay. That makes a lot of sense. I guess just sticking with insurance, are you seeing any lightening up from the insurance company In terms of what they're willing to offer or has they filled up their capital reserves or no, you think it's going to be another tough year? Speaker 200:26:46Right now, based on what we know, we believe it will be a tough year. We're going to go through our renewal in the 4th Quarter of this year, our renewal comes up in December. And so I'll have more clarity on the next call in terms of that market. But based on what we're hearing, we think it's still A very challenging market. Operator00:27:06Thank you. Our next question is from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler, please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:27:13Hey, good morning out there. So two questions. First, Angela, You'd made comments before that sort of outward migration from California is always a constant, but It's the HB1 visas, the overseas tech workers, etcetera, entrepreneurs who immigrate to the country that offset and drive. So just sort of curious, what's the latest on tech hiring from overseas, whether it's permanent or The annual consultants who they bring in, just curious what's going on there? Speaker 100:27:52Yes, Alex, that's a good question. We haven't seen an active hiring from an international basis yet. And what we have seen is on a Net migration for California as a whole, so this is market as a whole, that net outflow remains negative, but It hasn't been it's gotten better. So during COVID, it was an extreme outflow. And now when we look at the net migration Our flow number is pretty consistent to pre COVID. Speaker 100:28:24And so we do think that once we have that international, It would definitely be a good tailwind. As far as when we look at our own portfolio, just on a more granular level, so this is move ins. We saw a pop last year between the 1st and third quarter with California reopening and that acceleration was Yes, definitely very encouraging to see. And since then, the move out, obviously, it's not going to continue at that level in terms of acceleration, but I'm sorry, I meant to say the move ins, but it has remained positive and it's been stable. And so that's another good sign. Speaker 700:29:08Okay. Second question is on Capital Markets. You guys did a secured loan that wasn't for a JV. Normally, I guess in REIT land for the investment grade companies, we expect secured loans either in times of distress or for a joint venture asset here. It seems like the unsecured debt markets are open. Speaker 700:29:26So just sort of curious, the decision on that and also I imagine there were probably a bunch of people who are out there hungry to buy more of your unsecured. So maybe it's just, maybe you have something else planned later in the year that satisfies But just sort of curious about the decision to do secured and what seems to be a functioning unsecured debt market? Speaker 200:29:50Hi, Alex, it's Barb. That's a great question. I will tell you, we do prefer unsecured debt and that's And kind of our ammo for many, many years, that's the way we finance the balance sheet. In this environment though, we saw a Significant pricing differential between the secured and the unsecured market. So while we locked in our The secured loans at 5.08 percent, if we were to go to do an unsecured bond, it would have been 65 to 75 basis points wide of that. Speaker 200:30:25And so that pricing differential was so great that we decided To move forward with the secured side of the equation, 95% of our NOI is unencumbered and so we have lots of room within our covenants to secure a few assets. And there's no change in our overall balance sheet philosophy. It was just really a pricing differential that made us move the way we did. Speaker 700:30:47Okay. Thank you. Operator00:30:51Thank you. Our next question is from Josh Bederlein with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:30:57Yes. Hey, everyone. Thanks for the time. Just wanted to ask about the R and M same Store expenses, it looks like it was impacted by storms and flooding damage in the first half of the year. One, is that all behind us now, so it will kind of normalize out in 3Q. Speaker 700:31:13And then, what would that trend look like if you could strip out the storm impact? Speaker 200:31:23Hi, this is Barb again. Yes, you are correct. It is impacted by some of the spillover from Storm and flood damage cleanup costs in the 2nd quarter. We had a lot in the Q1 and some of it's still in the 2nd quarter. And it also had higher turnover costs, because keep in mind, we are getting back units. Speaker 200:31:42And so it's that and then just general inflation Inflationary pressures within the R and M space. And so it's 3 components. In terms of if we just pulled out the flood, I don't have that in front of me. I'll get back on what that would be, but it's really all three of those components that drove that increase. In the back half of the year though, I do expect that number to come down. Speaker 200:32:04First of all, we don't expect the same level of storms or floods. It's not a rainy season here right now. And so that should abate and not be in our 3rd or 4th And then the eviction related turnover costs, we have easier comps in the 3rd Q4 because we started incurring those last year in the 3rd and Q4. So that 14% that we had in the 3rd quarter should moderate significantly in the 3rd and fourth quarter. Speaker 700:32:33Okay. I appreciate that Barb. And then, can you just clarify when exactly you made that strategy shift from Occupancy to rate growth. And then, I guess, my real question is, does that imply you have a bigger mark to market? I'm not sure if you Actually set the mark to market at this time. Speaker 300:32:53Yes. Hi, Josh. This is Jessica. Yes, we switched, really about mid May. And as far as the mark to market, we're looking right now our lost lease is 1.7%. Speaker 300:33:06But as I mentioned earlier, Still seeing our rents grow in some markets, and so expect that potentially to go up a little bit more. Speaker 700:33:17Okay. Is that about average of the loss to lease at this time of year, 1.7? Or is it a little bit below Normal because of that, the initial strategy on the occupancy? Speaker 300:33:29Yes, it's definitely a little suppressed based on our approach, which are approached earlier in the year. Operator00:33:38Thank you. Our next question is from Nick Yubico with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with Speaker 400:33:46your question. Operator00:33:53Nick, is your line on mute? Speaker 800:34:01It's Daniel Serkarek on for Nick. I can ask a question. So, July new lease rates accelerated nicely from 2Q. So, just curious what markets drove that sequential improvement? And 2nd, do you think it's possible to see continued acceleration given some of your larger markets have lagged year to date and are, I guess, still recovering in a sense in tandem with the pretty benign supply backdrop. Speaker 300:34:28Hi, this is Jessica. Yes, we did see Seattle was a Large contributor to the sequential improvement followed by Northern California. Southern California has been performing pretty steadily. And then as far as specific markets, in Northern California, San Jose has been particularly strong, which reflects over 40% of our portfolio in the Bay Area. So we've seen strong occupancy, strong leasing demand. Speaker 300:34:56That one's encouraging. Certainly watching it, we've seen with all of the prior return to office announcements, so Amazon and Seattle CBD and then last With Google as well in the Bay Area, there's definitely demand associated to these return to office events. And so anticipating that Meta, which is in September, is going to have the same impact. I would imagine we're experiencing some of that demand right now. And then also as I mentioned in my Prepared remarks, the corporate housing activity, it is less than last year, but we still saw the activity this year, Which is always an encouraging sign as far as the health of the big tech employers. Speaker 300:35:39They certainly wouldn't be investing in Interns and contract work, if they were planning on tightening their belts and we've certainly seen an uptick in hiring as well. So San Jose has been doing quite well and then Seattle had already touched on the Seattle CBD and the Amazon returned to office. So that was And we're still seeing strength in demand today. However, it is our most seasonal market and so we certainly see the most pronounced Reduction in rents in the back half of the year in that market, but expect it to be in line with our typical seasonal curve and expectations There and then also supply, we do have some supply headwinds in Seattle. Some of it was pushed to the first half of 2024. Operator00:36:24So it's a Speaker 300:36:25little bit better than what we originally expected, but we still have, some supply on our radar there. Speaker 800:36:32Great. Thank you for that. And then I'm not sure if you have an answer to this question, but San Diego, one of your stronger markets, Wondering if you have a sense of like which employment sectors are driving demand in that market for your assets? Speaker 100:36:47Hey, it's Angela here. The key drivers in actually all of our markets have been In the Health Services and Education and of course, the Leisure and Hospitality as well. And so with San Diego rebounding, it's been good to see those activities coming back in a more robust way. Speaker 800:37:12Great. Thank you. Operator00:37:16Thank you. Our next question is from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. On the Washington property taxes coming in lower than expected, Was that Speaker 600:37:28due to a favorable appeal that Operator00:37:29you had or lower mill rates or something else? Speaker 200:37:35Hi, John, it's Barb. So, property taxes in Washington declined 1% year over year. 18%. So when we were budgeting, we knew assessed size were up quite a bit, but millage rates came down. And so that's what drove the Favorable year over year reduction in taxes. Speaker 200:37:55There was it wasn't based on a deal. Speaker 600:37:58Do you think that Rate is a good run rate going forward or is it more of a one time reduction? Speaker 200:38:06It's Really hard to know. So there's a lag effect in terms of when they do the bills. So our 2024 bills will be based off of 1 January of 2023 assessed values, which we don't know what those will be at this point. Obviously, values have changed over the last year, but it also depends on the millage rate and what the city does with that. And so that's always a wildcard factor. Speaker 200:38:30Historically, we've not had a reduction in Seattle taxes 2 years in a row, but so we'll have to just monitor and see Next year. I don't know if a negative one percent is a good way. I wouldn't use that. I don't think that's how we would view it, going forward, but we are Speaker 600:38:51Okay. My second question is on your lost lease. I think Jessica mentioned it was 1.7. Last year, Angela mentioned that the September loss of lease is a good indicator for your future earning. And I'm wondering how you think that trends just given the market rental rate assumption has gone up. Speaker 600:39:12I think you touched on this a little bit, but where do you see that September La Salise, go to. Speaker 300:39:19Well, it's definitely a little bit too early to predict that and we have well, we've had a typical Seasonal curve, it will be interesting to see how the back half of peak leasing season plays out. And yes, I did share we have the 1.7 percent loss to lease today, but based on several of our markets still accelerating with rent growth week over week that may grow from here. And also, the META return to office that we're watching and the demand overall in the Bay Area, could change, how we typically in August or September. So in short, it's a little bit early and yes, we will look at that in September as we typically do. Speaker 100:40:03Hey, Dawn. It's Angela. Just a little context. I think last Around this time, we were sitting around 7% loss lease and but We were looking at this seasonal curve that is occurring in a more the mere pre COVID What happened was the prior year, we didn't even peep until November. So it's been a little wonky coming out of COVID. Speaker 100:40:34And so it's September generally as a rule of thumb is a good data point, but just because of the uniqueness In the past couple of years, I just we didn't want anyone to just peg a June number as a good rule of thumb. Operator00:40:59Okay. Great color. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question is from Haendel Singh Juste with Mizuho. Operator00:41:06Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:41:09Hey, good morning still to you. So first question is on transactions. As we've heard, as we've seen, it's still pretty stalled. But you mentioned that you're diligently underwriting deals. So I'm curious Where you peg the bid ask spread at today and where asset pricing would need to be for you to get more active? Speaker 600:41:30Thanks. Speaker 900:41:32Hi, Haendel. This is Adam. So yes, we are underwriting every deal in the market. And even though in Q2, volume went down pretty Considerably, Q3, I expected to be increased just given the amount of activity in the market today. So we are underwriting A lot of deals right now and there isn't much of a bid ask spread. Speaker 900:41:54I think many of the deals most of the deals that are on the market today Will make, so I think there will be capitulation on both sides and a meeting of the minds. And I think echoing what Angela said in her opening comments, I think those are going to be in the mid-4s to low-5s range depending on product, location and then specific circumstances, whether there's Assumable debt or some tax abatements. So, as far as when we will be back in the market, I think that's really highly dependent on where our cost of capital is. So given where we're trading today that it's hard to make accretive deals in the mid-4s to low-5s. And so, we will continue to market or continue to monitor the market and We will act when it makes sense. Speaker 600:42:48Got you. Got you. That's helpful. Operator00:42:50A follow-up on the conversation around concessions. Speaker 600:42:52Can you guys provide a more detailed breakdown perhaps by region, What the average concession that you're providing in your locale, so Cal and Seattle regions are? And then also a loss to lease by region? Thanks. Speaker 300:43:06Sure. This is Jessica. So concessions in Q2 by region, so if we look at Southern California, it's at a little less than a half a week, Northern California, 1 week and Seattle, a little bit over So that gets us to 0.7 weeks overall. And keep in mind that a lot of that was concentrated in the April time some of it spilled over into May by the time we got to the end of the quarter. We pretty much have no concessions across the portfolio with the exception of a very small portion of our portfolio that is exposed to lease ups like 10 to 15 properties or so. Speaker 300:43:48And then as far as loss to lease, by market, Southern California 2.5 percent Northern California Speaker 600:44:05But what's the embedded assumption for bad debt impact to revenue in the back half of the year? Thanks. Speaker 200:44:13Hi, Haendel. It's Barb. It's roughly 2%, a little bit under 2%, consistent with the full year forecast. Sorry. Speaker 600:44:30You're saying that the expectations by year end, is that the incremental benefit you're expecting back half year? Speaker 200:44:36No, that's the assumption. So we assume 2% for the full year. We're at 2.1% through the 1st 6 months of the year. We assume effectively like 1.9% in the back half of the year to hit our 2.0% for the full year. So it is an incremental improvement Speaker 500:44:52And back half as Speaker 600:44:53well. 23rd. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:44:59Thank you. Our next question is from Robin Liu with Green Street. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:45:06Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just following up on a question earlier, what's the total magnitude of acquisitions you're hoping to achieve in the back half of this year? Speaker 900:45:19Hi, Robin. This is Adam. So at this point, Our intention is to well, our guidance really is not to acquire anything in the back half of the year. We like I said, we've been underwriting everything and if there are deals that make sense strategically, that fit in with our portfolio whether through economies of scale or other methods, then we will focus more on those deals. But for the moment, given our cost of capital, We wouldn't expect much on the acquisitions front. Speaker 1000:45:52So with I guess, in a scenario where there's minimal acquisitions and no development starts penciled, do you expect stock how does stock buybacks Stack up in terms of midterm priorities for capital allocation? Speaker 200:46:12Yes, I mean we did do stock buybacks in the Q1 and we will assess our sources of capital to do that because we want to maintain our balance sheet strength and a leverage neutral approach to the stock buyback. So we would need a source of capital to continue to buy back the stock and so that would imply that we would dispose of something. So it will all depend on where we can find opportunities to add value to the bottom line, because at the end of the day that's Our goal on the external front is how can we grow accretively. And to Adam's point, it's hard to do it via acquisitions today, but It doesn't mean that we're just going to go buy back the stock. We would need a source of capital to do that as well. Speaker 200:46:52So it will all go into the mix. Speaker 1000:46:56Appreciate that response. And then finally from me, can you give us a rough Direction on what percentage of the $100,000,000 outstanding delinquencies that you think you'll ultimately be able to collect? Speaker 200:47:12Yes, that's a great question. It's difficult to know. I mean, obviously, we'll get Some of that, but and then none of that is baked into our guidance for delinquency this year. We are making progress The problem is until the courts get caught up, delinquency keeps accruing because we have tenants that are in our properties a lot longer than they were Historically, pre COVID, if somebody went delinquent, they were out within 2 to 3 months. And now if they go delinquent, they're out in 9 to 12 months. Speaker 200:47:44And so that's part of the compounding problem on the delinquency side and the cumulative delinquency side. In terms of what we're going to collect, I can't give you a number. It's just too hard to predict. Operator00:47:58Do you Speaker 1000:47:58think it's closer to 10%, 20% or towards 50%? I understand it's very hard to predict. Speaker 200:48:08Yes. I'm not going to throw out a number because it's just not something that we know with any sort of certainty at this point. We're working hard to collect every dime that we can. We've used all measures possible to go after these tenants who Our delinquent and have delinquent balances, but it's not a number I can throw out there. Speaker 1000:48:30Appreciate that. Thank you. Operator00:48:34Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1100:48:41Good afternoon. Thanks a lot for taking my questions. For the LA market, are you seeing any pressure from the writers and actor strikes? Or does your guidance contemplate any impact from this? Speaker 300:48:54Hi, this is Jessica. I'll speak to as far as the on the ground We have not seen any impact from the strike at this point. We track our exposure to the major studios and it's less than 1% of our LA portfolio. And so I think it really comes down to how long the strike is going to go on and And if there is potentially a ripple effect to other industries. But at this point, we do not seeing it have a material impact on our portfolio, Would have to go on for some time. Speaker 300:49:27There may be specific property impact, but not to the larger Speaker 200:49:32portfolio as a whole. Speaker 1100:49:35That's helpful context. And for my follow-up question, when you look at the A versus B quality properties, are you seeing any And then, is there any differences in demand or tenant health and how that's trending between A versus B quality properties? Thanks. Speaker 300:49:54This is Jessica again. As far as A versus B, we do not see a material difference in performance. It's more really location. So back to the whole suburban versus urban concept and the bulk of our portfolio is suburban and we are strength in our suburban market versus some of the urban properties. And really, I think that's attributed to supply as well. Speaker 300:50:20When we look at where we have concentrations of supply, it is in these urban locations. So Seattle CBD, Downtown LA, West And that's where we would see rents lag. So urban versus suburban is where and we're seeing the difference. Speaker 1100:50:37Thank you very much. Operator00:50:41Thank you. Our next question is from Nathan Gould with Robert W. Baird, please proceed with your question. Hey, good morning out there. Can you speak to what is driving the strength in San Diego? Operator00:50:53In which market or markets do you believe will be the next to see a rebound? Speaker 300:50:59This is Jessica. So yes, San Diego has been a phenomenal market for us. I think it benefited during the pandemic. It was a popular Area to relocate to, rents were lower and overall great quality of life. And as Angela mentioned earlier, there's some underlying Employment industries that have strength there. Speaker 300:51:20So San Diego has been very solid and we expect it to continue to perform well. As far as other markets That I have my eye on that are showing signs of strength, go back up to the Bay Area with San Jose, Just to reiterate what I'm seeing there, that's been a strong market for us. And then when you couple that with The recovery is well that we still anticipate with continued return to office and where we're at relative to pre COVID rents, there's definitely an upside there. And then up in the Seattle area for similar reasons, but of course, we're going to be facing some supply Headwinds there over the next year. Operator00:52:05Great. Thank you. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. This does conclude today's conference.Read moreRemove AdsPowered by